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Get ready to take a flamethrower to the official narrative and learn what the elites don't want you to know.
You're listening to The Tom Woods Show.
Hi, everybody.
Tom Woods here.
It's episode 2698 of the Tom Woods Show.
And we have the great Mike Adams with us, the Health Ranger.
You know him from naturalnews.com, where I think you could probably spend the rest of your life absorbing the information that you find there.
And you can talk to Mike.
Sure, you can talk to him about health.
That's the easy way.
The other way is you can talk to him about anything in the world, apparently.
I follow him on Twitter, and he's got interesting things to say about everything in the world.
And that may sound like an exaggeration until you hear our conversation right now.
Mike, welcome.
Wow.
Well, thank you, Tom.
It's an honor to be on your show.
And I literally have no idea what questions you're about to pose.
So we're going to test your theory of whether I could comment on anything.
Yeah, I didn't brief you in any way.
But the good thing that you know is that when you're on the Tom Woods show, you know it's not going to be a gotcha interview.
You know it's not going to be that I'm going to talk to you briefly about the Republican convention, and then I'm going to ask you, what were you doing at Bohemian Grove?
You know, like this is going to be like that.
Right.
Right.
And I'm pretty sure that you're welcoming a rationality and reason.
So that's always a great place to start.
Well, I try.
I do my best.
You do a great job.
Last week, so, you know, I had Robert Scott Bell on the show a couple of weeks ago, and he's been an old friend quite some time.
And we were talking about the subject of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
And I mentioned to him that RFK has been, you know, oddly enough, a source of division among some people in the natural health community, some who say he's not doing enough or he's betraying us on this, that, or the other thing.
And other people who say he's the best we're ever going to get.
He's the best we've ever had.
He's doing everything he possibly can under the circumstances.
Where do you fall on that spectrum?
Yeah, I'm disappointed that he can't get more traction, but I also understand the realities of what he's dealing with.
I mean, look, the entire momentum of the CDC is opposed to what he's doing.
Because look, let's even back up more.
The entire vaccine industry, in my opinion, is based on fraud.
That is, their products do not work as they claim.
And so the fraud depends on censorship and control in order to maintain its viability.
What RFK is doing is he's beginning piece by piece to peel back the layers of that fraud and demand things like scientific testing, which did not happen with the COVID jabs, et cetera.
But also better reporting so that people who are harmed by vaccines have a mechanism for better reporting.
And they won't be shut down by the super secret court, you know, the vaccine injury compensation program, which apparently sits above the United States Supreme Court because the Supreme Court ruled previously that they have no jurisdiction over the vaccine court.
So you thought SCODUS was the highest court in the land?
It's not.
It's the vaccine court.
And that's got to end.
And this whole legal liability shield for vaccine manufacturers creates financial incentives for them to drop quality control and put out products that maximize profits because they face no consequences for contamination or dangerous lots or side effects that their products cause, which would be an insane idea in the auto industry or any other industry.
You know, I mean, think about if a car company was making cars that kept blowing up and harming people, you know, they would be liable as they should be.
Or even, you know, a pesticide manufacturer or whatever, if it's causing cancer or an herbicide, then, you know, they face liability, but the vaccine industry faces no liability.
So there's no accountability for the safety of their products.
So you're sympathetic.
But in particular, what I want to know is last week, RFK Jr. released a seven-minute video through HHS on Twitter.
So it was an official release in which he went after some U.S. senator who had had this chart during a recent hearing showing all the hundreds of millions of lives saved by vaccines.
And he went through and responded to this and said, among other things, the kinds of things that people like you, I think, have said in the past, that when you actually look at the timeline for these things, you find that the disappearance of this particular, whatever the malady is, seems to go away before the introduction of mass vaccination.
Something else is causing this.
And this, by the way, this is something we see government doing a lot.
So during COVID, we would be told, ah, look at the numbers going down.
And that's because we all stayed in our houses.
But you would notice that in many places, the exact moment that the numbers started to go down would actually bear no connection whatsoever to the introduction or removal of the lockdowns.
It would seem completely random.
Or example, I'm fond of citing, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.
They say, oh, well, after we got that, look at all the progress we made against workplace injuries and fatalities.
But what they don't show you is that trend was already existing, but they always want to take credit for already existing trends.
The point is, you and I can talk about this stuff all day long.
But when a guy bearing the seal of the HHS releases a video like that, I dare say that's a big deal.
Well, this is why they fought so hard to prevent him from achieving that position.
And I think the best encapsulation of that information comes from Dr. Suzanne Humphreys in her book, Dissolving Illusions.
And she shows the charts, for example, the drop in polio cases was achieved almost entirely, more than 95% drop before the polio vaccine was introduced.
And she attributes that to improvements in public sanitation.
For example, building infrastructure for functioning sewage systems and better plumbing and clean water and water treatment technology and just things like soap, you know, washing your hands.
You got to realize that for a long time, you know, until the last, let's say, 100 years or so, most people in the world lived in conditions that we would consider to be rather filthy today.
They didn't have the cleanliness or the sterilized environments that we live in right now.
Now, interestingly, there's also an advantage to a more natural environment if you're out in the country, like to be exposed to soil microbes and be exposed to farm animals and so on actually stimulates your immune system.
And children who grow up on farms, especially homeschooled children, they then have much lower rates of allergies and also much stronger immune systems because they've been exposed to all these things themselves.
But what the vaccine industry tries to do and what RFK Jr. is fighting against is the industry tries to say that there's no such thing as a human immune system.
We were even berated by so-called scientists and experts during COVID for daring to say that the human immune system was a thing.
And that what the vaccine industry wants to say is that you're born with no immune system, just like, you know, the LGBT advocates say you're born without a gender and then a gender is assigned to you by the doctor.
Well, that's absurd.
That's absurd, right?
But it's also absurd to say you're not born with an immune system and your immune system is injected into you through childhood vaccinations.
That's also absurd because Tom, using reason and rationality, how did our ancestors survive before the inventions of vaccines?
How does humanity even exist?
And the answer is the immune system.
And a significant portion of the human genome is tied to the functioning and the activation of the immune system itself.
So we already know how to keep ourselves alive from various toxins or exposures or pathogens.
And it doesn't mean that pharmaceuticals, in some cases, can't help or certain herbs, such as, you know, wormwood herb or certain pharmaceuticals like ivermectin, which does attack parasites, but that's based on a soil microbe, by the way.
That's not a synthetic molecule.
It came from nature.
But our ancestors existed and survived because of this human immune system, not because of vaccines.
Well, now the question that comes to my mind, because I haven't been following it all that closely, involves YouTube.
Now, I'm sure you have had your run-ins with YouTube.
I don't even have to ask you that question.
No, I've been deplatformed since 2014.
Okay, I assume that.
I would assume nothing less.
I haven't gotten quite to that level, but keep working at it.
But Mike, I'll tell you, I was hanging by a thread because the system is you get a warning, and then if you don't bother them for a while, the warning goes away.
But if you get, then you get three strikes.
And I was at the warning plus the two strikes for a while.
I didn't say anything to anybody.
I was on the verge of having it yanked away.
Anyway, the point is.
Well, don't post this video on YouTube.
You will absolutely get a strike.
I don't particularly feel like testing the theory.
No, 100%.
You will get a strike.
Well, but see, in a way, that's really kind of what I'm driving at now.
Because during COVID, obviously, you know that there were things you couldn't say that were demonstrably true.
You know, you could, you could say anything about even just saying that masks don't do anything, and they obviously don't, that would get you a strike.
For example, I interviewed Congressman Thomas Massey.
He is a United States congressman, and he made some disparaging remark, entirely deserved, about masks.
And of course, they never tell you why they take your video down because you are a mere peon and you don't deserve to be told the reason.
But I assume that's it because there was nothing else objectionable in it.
But now here we are in a different world where the COVID scare is over and we now have an RFK Jr. who is officially the head of HHS.
Is YouTube really going to say we're going to override the director of the Secretary of Health and Human Services?
We're going to override him and start taking his videos down.
I think they don't exactly know what to do.
Well, YouTube just settled with Donald Trump for deplatforming him.
They wrote him a check for $24 million.
My company, Brighton, has sued YouTube slash Google and Meta and the Department of Defense.
And that lawsuit's been in play for a year and a half.
And since then, YouTube has admitted to everything that we allege in our lawsuit, by the way.
So that should be interesting.
I mean, our case is open and shut.
But I don't expect to receive a $24 settlement check from YouTube because I'm not the president of the United States.
But here's my take on this, Tom.
And this gets back to libertarianism and the role of government.
I think one of the only core proper roles of government is to protect the rights of the individual as elucidated in the Bill of Rights.
It is not the job of government to control speech or to limit speech, but it is the proper role of government to force platforms of open debate, such as YouTube, to respect constitutionally protected speech.
So understand the subtle difference here.
I know you do.
I know your audience does.
They're very sophisticated, but I'm not calling for government to censor YouTube.
I'm calling for government to force YouTube to stop censoring Americans.
And that would include on medical speech.
So YouTube, in my opinion, should not be allowed to operate because they are the dominant platform of video conversations and debate, which is critical to a constitutional republic.
And yet they are censoring us.
That would be like the phone company censoring you based on you saying the word vaccine during a phone call or the U.S. Mail reading your mail and saying, you can't send mail.
You said something about a mask.
But that's what YouTube is doing.
And that needs to be made illegal.
In effect, YouTube should be fined a billion dollars a day for censoring the speech of Americans, in my opinion.
Did you have the same experience on Twitter?
Well, I did.
Yeah, before Elon Musk.
And then you were restored.
Correct.
And how did that happen?
Did just one day all of a sudden it worked?
Or did you get an email saying, sorry, we did that.
Now you're back.
Just one day it worked.
Oh, really?
You just checked?
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
But understand that X still bans links to my video platform, Brighteon.
And my legal team has been in touch with the X legal team, and we have also sued X for this very reason.
And so far, X does not seem willing to budge on that issue, and we're not sure why.
But when Elon Musk says X is a free speech platform, perhaps that's his intention.
And I do think that Elon has a lot of goodwill in that direction.
But the practical truth is that his company is not carrying out those wishes.
All right.
A somewhat related question.
So I'm totally new to thinking about health in ways other than the standard establishment way.
This is a new world for me.
And of course, simply because you dissent from the allopathic norm, that in itself doesn't mean that you're going to be right about everything you say.
And there are people both within and outside the medical establishment who are quacks.
So I guess what I want to know from you is, how do you, like the average person thinks, well, I'll know who's a quack because based on who has a medical license or not, you know, like that's the level of their analysis.
But I want to know what, what does Mike Adams say, how does Mike Adams know that even somebody in the natural health world is just a quack to be avoided?
Well, first of all, a bigger answer to your question is that it's not the role of any government or any corporation to decide for us what is true or not true about medicine.
No, and I completely agree with you.
People should be able to operate however they want, but you as an individual then have to make your own judgment.
Correct, correct.
So there's one core principle to start with is the fact that through all of human history, almost all medicine was holistic.
And right now, most of the world, about 80% of the population of the world, practices what we would call complementary or holistic medicine.
Throughout human history, the aberration is Western pharmaceutical medicine.
That's the weird thing.
And it doesn't work very well.
It works great for ER, you know, emergencies.
It works great for anesthesia or painkillers for emergency acute situations, but it does not halt chronic degenerative disease.
And the way we know that is because look at the rates of chronic degenerative disease in Western countries that have a heavy pharmaceutical emphasis, such as the United States.
So one thing, again, back to the principle is, are these things compatible with the, you know, human beings developed in a way that's compatible with the natural world.
We are compatible with natural foods, natural environments, natural herbs and phytoconstituents that are developed in the plants.
You know, plants synthesize natural medicine, such as anthocyanins, which are the dark colored pigments in berries, or, you know, glucosinolates or sulforaphane in broccoli.
Sulforaphane is anti-cancer.
Sulforaphane is neuroprotective and plants synthesize it.
They make it from nothing but hydrogen, carbon, and oxygen.
And well, and some sulfur in that case.
But vitamin C, for example, is made from nothing but hydrogen, carbon, and oxygen.
So a plant is synthesizing a vitamin for free.
And that's not profitable for the medical system.
See, if you can go out and make your medicine for free by sprouting broccoli sprouts and eating anti-cancer nutrients, then what role does the cancer industry have in that?
Nothing.
Nothing.
They can't make money off of treating your cancer.
They can't scare you into routine cancer examinations.
They can't irradiate women's breasts with mammograms, which do emit ionizing radiation that actually cause cancer in breast tissue and the heart.
Also, mammograms cause cancer, by the way.
I mean, they literally induce cancer and informed women know that.
And so they limit that.
But the answers to cancer or diabetes or heart disease or high blood pressure or everything else are already available in the natural world.
So the Western medical system simply does not produce better outcomes and certainly does not produce them at a lower cost because we have the highest healthcare costs in the world and yet among the very worst outcomes.
What is your theory as to where all the food allergies have come from?
Well, vaccines are related to that because of the peanut-derived ingredients that are used in vaccines.
And so when you bypass the normal protections of skin and the digestive system, then you can induce an artificial autoimmune reaction, which becomes a food allergy.
But the other part of that is, I kind of mentioned this earlier, the lack of exposure to the natural world.
When you have kids that grow up in cities and artificial sanitized environments where everything is sprayed down with sanitizers all day long and hand sanitizers, Tom, I don't use any of that stuff.
I'm, you know, look, I live on a ranch.
Okay.
So I'm raking out the chicken house.
There's like chicken poop in the hay.
I'm feeding goats.
I'm taking care of donkeys.
I'm feeding my dogs.
I'm jogging.
I'm doing exercise.
And then I just go on my keyboard without washing my hands.
And I do my keyboard stuff.
I never get sick, Tom.
I never get sick.
I don't take vaccines.
I don't take pharmaceuticals.
I do it all with nutrition and natural medicine.
Like this is my breakfast, you know, my smoothie.
Okay.
And I know how to deal with any kind of symptoms that might come up before they create sickness, before they knock you out.
And I've learned so much actually since COVID about some additional things, like the role of skin-absorbed nicotine and many other things, like ivermectin, but also the role of zinc and quercetin.
So I just simply flat out don't get sick.
And I hear from people who say, oh, I got to go out and get the flu shot, you know, because flu season's almost here.
I need to get the flu shot.
Like, you know, the people who Get the flu are the people who take the flu shot, right?
So you're going to be much better off to not take a flu shot and instead have some zinc and vitamin D. Your vitamin D levels tend to drop in the winter, which is why people get, quote, the flu.
And by the way, there's no scientific basis for the CDC's diagnosis of the flu in most people anyway.
And that's obvious because during the COVID years, flu went to zero.
Well, how is that possible?
That was never really explained.
It's another one of those things that was never really explained.
It's a total hoax.
It's a complete hoax.
Yeah.
You mentioned your ranch.
So these chickens you're talking about, do you eventually eat these chickens?
No, I eat their eggs.
Just other than that, they just retire on the ranch.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm asking about that because, you know, I'm getting more and more interested in something that I used to do and then I just got lazy where you find a local rancher and you, you know, you buy a cow or a half a cow or a quarter cow from him, and you know everything there is to know about what went into making that cow, that cow.
And, you know, there are many advantages to this.
And the thing is, if you, if you buy in considerable enough bulk, it actually winds out, it winds up being, you know, economically not all that different from just buying it at the store.
But the difference is in the chicken, the chicken is extremely expensive, I found.
And part of it is you can't find any chicken feed that doesn't have crap in it.
Right.
So what is the story there?
Well, yeah.
So we use only certified organic feed, and then I lab test the feed because we have a food lab with mass spec instruments.
So I'm in a unique position to test it.
So I know it's clean.
But for most people, it's difficult to get clean feed.
And I strongly encourage free-range chickens at your home so that a lot of their diet is things of weeds and bugs and scorpions or whatever they're out there eating or small lizards, et cetera.
And you can also, you know, you can plant local plants like mulberry trees that will drop mulberries, which are rich in anthocyanins that are good for the chickens.
So if you have chickens, I encourage you to plant an ecosystem that provides a lot of potential food for those chickens so that you're only supplementing with the store-bought chicken feed.
But Tom, there's no question that it's going to be the most expensive chicken you've ever eaten if you eat them.
Or in my case, the most expensive eggs.
But I don't care.
I mean, it's about the health properties and not having exposure to the toxins.
And also knowing that I'm giving my chickens a decent life for a chicken.
Yeah.
You're not in a chicken factory.
You're running around the farm with no fences.
My chickens have no fences and no barriers.
They just go as far as they want to find food.
And isn't it the case that sometimes they'll say certain things on the egg package that make you think the chicken has a decent life, but instead it's extremely inhumane and horrible?
Yeah, I'm very skeptical about a lot of the free range claims because all it means is they have access to the outdoors.
Well, how big is the outdoors?
And is it just a dirt field with no grass, no weeds, nothing to eat?
You know, see, observing chickens in a natural environment on my ranch has taught me a lot about chickens.
For example, I have, I heat my buildings with an outdoor wood boiler.
Okay, so I chuck wood into the boiler and it heats the water and I circulate water into my buildings and I blow the heat out with a radiator fan.
Okay, so I don't use any electricity to heat.
I like to live as low-tech as I can.
Now, when you do that, you're going to get a lot of ash.
So about once a year, I shovel out the wood boiler into a giant ash pile.
Found out that the chickens go to the ash pile and they bathe in it.
They flick the ash under all their feathers.
And that stops the mites and the bugs that normally attack chickens.
And chickens will also do this with dirt.
So they will self-medicate with anti-parasite substances that they find in the environment around them.
And so that's why I don't vaccinate chickens.
I don't treat them with any medications other than ivermectin.
Sometimes I'll put chlorine dioxide in their water because that can also enhance things.
But I don't use pharmaceuticals on chickens.
And my chickens are very healthy and they produce very healthy eggs as a result.
But it's a natural environment, not a factory environment.
I think when you interviewed me on your show, I turned the tables on you very quickly.
And I think I asked you a question.
And I'd like to ask it again for anybody who didn't hear that, which is what was it that made you grow up to be Mike Adams?
Like what Most people who wind up having dissident views on health, they had something happen to them and it suddenly opened their eyes to thinking differently.
Was that the case for you?
Well, Tom, I greatly appreciate the question, but I have an issue with the phrase dissident views.
I want to say my views are actually the views that have been believed throughout most of human history.
The dissident views is Western medicine and the FDA, which was founded in 1906 and which began this artificial synthetic era of fake medicine that doesn't work, but that extracts almost 25% of GDP from the American people.
That's a dissident view in opposition to the natural law under which we exist.
Okay.
So all I have done, but to answer your question, and I say all that with respect, I really appreciate your question.
I am, I'm always a curious person.
I'm a highly intelligent person, but I'm not afraid to ask tough questions.
And I grew up on a diet of a lot of processed food.
And by my late 20s, I was a wreck in terms of health, you know, borderline diabetic, chronic pain, borderline obese, et cetera.
And in order to solve my own problem, I had to start learning about the relationship between food and health outcomes.
And you got to understand that to your audience, you know, before the year, I don't know, 2010, most doctors in America believe there's no relationship between what you eat and the health outcomes that you experience.
It was a very common belief.
And it's still common among many doctors today.
I mean, it's unbelievable, but that's what they believed.
And so I had to start educating myself about those relationships.
And as soon as I began to realize that, I began to change my diet and then I started to get much better health outcomes.
And then I began to share that information with people starting in 2003.
And here we are 22 years later, where basically everything I've said has been completely vindicated now, although it took 25 years, you know?
I mean, I would say over the past five years, you must have seen significant growth in people curious about these topics.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
When, look, I was doing a cartoon series back in 2006 called Counterthink cartoons, where I was demolishing the FDA and big pharma and the vaccine industry.
And people thought that was really fringe and kooky back then.
Today, those cartoons look like prophecy.
You know, I mean, it's like, wow, how did you know back then that the cancer industry was a money-making fraud, et cetera?
Well, as I say, look, if you're two years ahead of the mainstream, you're considered a genius.
If you're 20 years ahead, you're considered a kook.
Okay.
And that's, it's just the truth.
Like, you know, Ron Paul, he was 20 plus years ahead talking about the Fed.
You know, when Ron Paul was talking about the Fed in the 1990s, everybody was like, you're insane.
The Fed's got to be part of the federal government and they have our best interest at heart.
Today, that's a laughable idea.
So, you know, Ron Paul had it right.
And even my work was built on the shoulders of other people that I read their books and I learned from them, you know, Dr. Gary Null, for example.
And so it's just been this long train of awakening.
And we're at the greatest awakening right now with RFK Jr. as the secretary of HHS.
About nine, close to 10 years ago, you wrote a book called Food Forensics.
Is that right?
That's right.
Okay.
What's the thesis of that book?
Is there anything you'd change about it 10 years later?
I would just add to it.
Food forensics, it was a number one best-selling science book on Amazon.
And it basically goes through some testing of foods because we do mass spec laboratory testing of heavy metals and glyphosate and things like that.
But then it talks about what I consider to be dangerous or questionable ingredients versus healthful ingredients.
But we've learned a lot since then.
And one of the most profound things that I've learned is that even if you have great nutrition in your life, and I mean, really top of the line, clean foods, organic, et cetera, I was missing a very critical component in all of this.
And it's light as medicine and also what's called photoactivated nutrition.
So it turns out that light, like natural sunlight, but especially the far infrared wavelengths from sunlight, they really penetrate through your body deeply.
And there are photoreceptors on your organs inside your body.
I don't know if you knew that, but many of your cells have photoreceptors.
You're like, why?
Isn't it dark in there?
Well, light gets through.
Sunlight gets through.
And it turns out that many of the nutrients that people would want to consume that are healthful nutrients, like turmeric, which I have in my smoothie, turmeric has a certain potential level by default.
But then if you go out into the sun and you get sunlight, it photoactivates that nutrient and vastly increases its efficacy and absorbability in the body.
So what I missed, to answer your question, what I missed in food forensics is also and light.
Like it should have been eat all these foods and then get sunlight.
And then the foods and the nutrients actually have their best effects.
And if you think about it historically, what did previous generations love to do?
Go out and have a picnic, eat in the sun, right?
And work in the sun.
People, I mean, our lives used to be more outdoor lives.
In the last three generations, we've become indoor people on our computers and blue screens all day long.
It's not just the lack of natural light.
It's the lack of your nutrition being activated, photoactivated by sunlight.
Let me follow up then with what I think a lot of people might respond with, that they would say, but the problem with being outdoors and in the sunlight is what?
That you're going to get a sunburn.
And they think that the sunburn in turn means melanoma.
And that means really bad news.
What's the correct way to think about that?
Yeah.
So processed food that lacks nutrition makes you susceptible to sunburn.
And sunburns are bad.
They are harmful.
But the reason many people burn, like, let me just give you an example.
I'm a very white, white guy.
When I was younger, I used to burn very easily, very easily.
It was because of the processed food nutrition that I had.
Now, if you look at my skin tone right now, you know, I don't look pasty white.
It's because I'm out in the sun every day with no sunscreen, but having taken the right superfoods like in my smoothie and the right supplements and so on, including acaxanthin.
And so when you have good nutrition, you are naturally more resistant to ultraviolet light.
Now, this is critical to understand.
Like people in Hawaii, they know all about acaxanthin.
I mean, many of them do, especially the athletes.
If you take acaxanthin, see, I don't know how deep to go in this, but acaxanthin is made by single-celled organisms, hematococcus.
And it creates acaxanthin as a spherical shell around itself when the water dries up and it needs to survive for up to 100 years.
It needs to survive intense sunlight without losing its genetic integrity.
So acaxanthin blocks sunlight to allow the genetic integrity of the organism to survive so that when the rain comes back, it can re-sprout and regrow back into a green algae, which is what it is when it's got plenty of water and food.
Okay.
So if you take that acaxanthin, which is that protective cocoon, and then you eat it, and it's also found in salmon.
It's what makes salmon flesh pink.
When you eat the acaxanthin and it gets distributed into your fat cells because it's a fat-soluble carotenoid, it's known as the king of carotenoids.
Then your skin has natural built-in sunscreen.
Now you're not going to be susceptible or as susceptible as you were.
And then when you go out in the sun and have healthy, normal exposure, then you're going to have a melanin reaction to build up darker skin tone.
And then it turns out, Tom, and this is, I can even show you the scientific study, that having darker skin tone, having melanin in your skin protects you from 5G radiation.
So protects you from cell tower radiation and electropollution.
If you think about it, it makes sense because it's protecting you from the electromagnetic radiation of sunlight at certain wavelengths.
And there's actually a published study from Chinese researchers right now that shows that if you have more melanin, then you can block more than 99.99% of 5G radiation.
So very few people know this.
I've got so much left that I want to switch to a completely different topic.
Okay.
Sure.
And this one, if I'm putting you on the spot, I want you to tell me because in a way, it's not fair because it does involve details and it's not your area of expertise, but it does seem like something you've been very interested in.
And that is Charlie Kirk, the Charlie Kirk assassination.
So I'm about to ask you probably one of the edgiest questions in the history of the Tom Wood show here.
Those are my favorite.
Because I myself have not, you know, through my own fault, I just haven't followed the details of this.
But I have followed it enough to know that I have people I know and trust who say something is fishy about this.
Like something does not add up about this.
And they're not just saying that because they always have to have some unusual take on everything in the world, that they're saying, no, no, no, hold on a minute.
No, no, something does not add up here.
Now, am I putting you on the spot to ask you to say something about that?
Not at all.
I'm happy to answer it.
You want to just go with my take?
Yeah, let's hear what your take is.
Okay.
So first of all, as context, I'm a very accomplished long-range rifle shooter.
So I will shoot 338 Lapua or 300 Windmag rifles at ranges of 1,000 yards or so.
And I've been doing that for years.
So I understand ballistics.
I understand muzzle velocity.
In fact, I did the first acoustic forensic ballistics analysis of a Las Vegas shooting.
And that's where you compare the time gap between the strikes of the bullets locally versus the arrival of the report from the muzzle of the rifle.
Because the speed of sound determines how quickly the sound arrives from the report.
Whereas the speed of the rifle rounds, which is higher than the speed of sound, that difference tells you the distance of the rifle if you can take a fairly good guess about the velocity of the rounds.
So if you know those rounds, for example, are 556, then you can take a pretty good guess of velocity might be 27, 50 feet per second or something like that.
And you can estimate the distance of the shooter just from an audio recording.
So I did that years ago.
Very few people knew about it at the time.
But I'm also, I'm a, you know, I've been a musician since I was a kid.
So I do a lot of audio engineering type of work.
So it was easy to do.
Now everybody's doing an audio analysis of the shooting with Charlie Kirk.
The problem is this analysis doesn't work if you have subsonic projectiles, which I believe to be the case with Charlie Kirk.
So in a subsonic projectile, you have to flip everything upside down.
In a subsonic projectile, the sound arrives before the projectile arrives, obviously.
But that's not the way most people are looking at this.
And also when you have so many buildings there on campus, you get sound reflections.
So you get rifle reports that can bounce off of straight edges and come back to people's microphones.
And then if you do the calculation of that rifle report, you would actually hear two reports, one from the original rifle and the second from the echo of it.
And that can be very confusing, or some people can get the wrong calculations adding the distance together of those two lines.
And then they can get bad information.
So with that said, I'm not trying to geek out on everybody here, by the way.
I'm just, this is just the way I think, the way I approach things.
I know as a long-range rifle shooter and looking at the foot pound energy behind a 30 out 6 round that there's no way I don't want to curse.
There's no way.
It's not possible that that round, if it was fired from the front, did not exit out of the back of Charlie's neck.
And, you know, all prayers to Charlie and his family.
I don't mean to make light of this, but the theory that he was shot from the front with a 30 ox rifle is, in my view, completely bogus, absolutely bogus.
So I appreciate the fact that people like Candace Owens are asking important questions.
I don't know the answers yet, but I suspect, my suspicion, Tom, is that he was actually shot from behind with a subsonic projectile from not a gun or a pistol or a rifle, something custom built for this purpose.
And to me, that leads to the involvement of some intelligence agency.
That's my best guess currently, but of course that may change based on new information.
So then I suppose I can probably gather what you thought when we got the, I guess we got the report or whatever saying that there was no exit wound and he was like a man of steel.
And that, and then, of course, makes people feel even better about Charlie Kirk.
He won a man of steel.
And I thought, what?
Something about that sounds a little bit fishy.
Well, one of the most controversial tweets I put out, it was on a Monday.
I said, happy Monday.
I believe that all bullets have to follow the laws of physics.
And, you know, that set people off.
Oh, how dare you?
You know, also, all human bones have to follow the laws of physics.
And I don't mean any disrespect to Charlie at all, but it is not possible for human bone vertebra to deflect a 30 out 6 round, especially if it's fired straight on.
Now, if you want to ask who has the most dense bones, actually, who has the most dense bones of all humans?
It's athletes.
And specifically, it's wrestlers and Brazilian jiu-jitsu athletes or those who engage in striking arts.
So martial artists, cage fighters, they have very high bone density.
They can get into car wrecks and suffer a lot less damage than a typical person.
But they're still not bulletproof.
And Charlie Kirk was not a cage match fighter.
He did not have bone density any higher than any average person his age.
Why?
Because he wasn't an athlete.
So anybody saying that Charlie Kirk has bones of steel just completely discredits themselves.
But, you know, I don't know what the story is either.
You know, as you say.
No, I don't either.
We can't know.
But what usually happens in cases like this where there's where something is dubious is that it all gets swept away and everybody continues to have their questions and they speculate on it forever and nobody ever finds a smoking gun.
Is there any chance of that being different this time?
Well, think about it this way.
There were hundreds of people with cameras there, their mobile phones.
There were hundreds of additional cameras on campus.
And yet, they haven't produced a single video frame or photo of the so-called suspect Tyler Robinson carrying a rifle, laying in a prone position with a rifle, shooting a rifle, muzzle flash, etc.
Not a single frame has been produced.
Now, that's impossible in this day and age.
I mean, you think of almost any other event, you know, you've got, I mean, think about J6, you know, a thousand different cameras running different camera angles.
You could document everything that happened second by second from people's cameras.
You could identify people.
You knew who punched what, who threw what, everything.
You're telling me that with all these people and all these cameras on campus, that this guy, Tyler Robinson, he walked around campus with a rifle down his pants, which also doesn't make any sense if you ever try to assemble and disassemble one of those rifles quickly when you're nervous and your adrenaline is pumping.
It's impossible, especially on a rooftop after you took a shot and you think people might be looking for you.
It's impossible that there's not a video of this guy if he carried out this act.
So I would say, Tom, Tyler Robinson is the Patsy and he's innocent of what he's being accused of.
He may have, you know, odd friends, you know, furry friends or whatever kind of weird, perverted stuff maybe he was into.
I don't know.
I don't care.
It's not my business.
But I don't believe that he shot Charlie Kirk.
Yeah, my understanding is in the, again, I haven't read as much as I should, is that he's not cooperating.
And apparently he is sticking to, I did not do this.
Yeah, wouldn't you if you were innocent?
Yeah, I mean, that does make sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, he's a scapegoat.
And one of the tells in this is how all the people that want you to swallow this narrative are saying, death sentence, death sentence.
We have to put him to death as quickly as possible.
You know, Lee Harvey Oswald.
I mean, they want him gone because he knows he's innocent, I believe.
And if he wasn't, I mean, if he were guilty, wouldn't we have his DNA on the rifle?
Wouldn't we have photos and videos of him on campus with a rifle?
I mean, we would have really substantial evidence, not this fake text message that nobody believes, because of course the FBI has a cell phone SIM card spoofing technology.
You know, Tom, they can send a text from your phone effectively, you know, on your account anytime they want so they can make it look like you said anything they want you to say.
And I believe the FBI has been deeply involved in just basically fabricating evidence, not looking for who committed the crime.
I mean, and I stand behind that.
And that's, look, everybody, you know, it's funny, before Trump was president, everybody knew that about the FBI.
Look at J6.
Look at the history of the terror plots.
Look at the staged fake kidnapping of Michigan Governor Whitmer.
These were all FBI plots.
Look at 275 FBI agents now admitted to have been at J6.
What were they doing there?
They were instigating the insurrection.
Come on.
You know, sometimes it's not that difficult to know what's happening.
And I don't think that Cash Patel has achieved the level of reforms in the FBI that he wants to, nor has RFK Jr. achieved the level of reforms that he wants because these government agencies and institutions, they're heavily, heavily burdened down with people who are effectively at war with the American people.
And the FDA qualifies as that as well, in my opinion.
Well, the health area, I mean, you know better than anybody, but there are so many people whose careers and reputations depend on the establishment version being unimpaired and being unchallenged.
It's just, it's mind-blowing how many people, how much influence we're talking about.
I mean, whatever you may say about RFK Jr., what he has done is far more than I expected anybody ever to do in my lifetimes.
And man, has he gone after, again, an entrenched power structure, seriously entrenched, not just in the U.S., but of course he's giving people indirect.
The United States is a powerful country.
And if there's somebody like RFK and HHS, that reverberates around the world.
This guy is a disaster from their point of view.
I mean, to some extent, they can make fun of him or whatever.
But the fact is some people now have heard things that they'd never heard before.
RFK is doing really important work, and I support what he's doing.
But I want to give credit to Lee Zeldon also at the EPA.
So I think there's no better example of an agency that was at war with America than the EPA.
The EPA, with their endangerment finding, they basically said that they regulate all carbon dioxide and that carbon dioxide is a pollutant, which that would be a shock for all plants to hear since they use it for photosynthesis to generate everything, including all of our food crops and vitamin C and everything else, right?
So he has really begun dismantling a lot of what the EPA stood for, which with the EPA going to war with America's energy infrastructure, that has put America far behind other countries like China in the AI race because the limiting factor in AI is not the microchips, but the energy.
So when Elon Musk talks about, hey, we're going to open a two gigawatt data center, notice he's defining it in terms of energy units, gigawatts.
And it's not based on how many CPUs because we can get the CPUs or the GPUs or whatever are needed.
But the energy is a limiting factor.
Well, China didn't buy into all the climate change nonsense.
So China is now producing over 10,000 terawatt hours of energy every year, which is more than double what the United States produces.
And even with Trump wanting to launch these 10, what are the Westinghouse AP1000 nuclear power plants?
That will only add 100 terawatt hours annually to the U.S. And the U.S. is currently only sitting at 4,400 terawatt hours, less than half of what China produces.
So if you look at the AI race to superintelligence, which many people believe will lead to world dominance over military and everything else, China is in the lead now in terms of energy because they didn't buy into climate change.
So the EPA crippled the U.S. infrastructure and put us behind in possibly the most important and final race of human civilization, which is the race to superintelligence.
Mike, if people want to follow you, how should they do that?
Well, they can find me at naturalnews.com, or if you want to hear my interviews with people like you, by the way, and you're always invited back, brighteon.com, just like it says on the screen there, brighteon.com.
You can find me there.
That's a free speech platform.
And we have our own AI engine at brighteon.ai.
And it is the only totally non-woke AI engine that also knows everything that RFK Jr. knows about vaccines because we trained it on his books.
Smart.
Smart.
Okay, tremendous.
All right.
I'll put those links up at Tomwoods.com slash 2698 also.
And Mike, thanks once again.
Great talking to you.
Thank you, Tom.
It's been a pleasure.
And thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
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