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Oct. 10, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Mike Adams & Dr. Kirk Moore: Medical Freedom on Trial — Ethics, AI, and the Future of Medicine
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Did you have any idea of how vicious the state can be when they disagree with your medical decision?
I didn't realize to the extent that they would go through.
I mean, they put me in jail for 34 days just because they disagreed with my opinion.
Two of my co-defendants had the exact same uh had violated this the exact same issues, and those people got let go.
They were using me as an example.
They wanted to prove a point that hey, if you go against the government, this is what we're going to do to you, this is what we can do to you, and this is what we're going to do to you.
And that's very frightening for all of us.
Welcome to today's health freedom interview here on Brighton.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, and we're joined today by I call him a medical freedom hero for America.
It's Dr. Kirk Moore who was dragged through absolute legal hell and was facing uh serious criminal prison time for the fact that he was working ethically and morally to save people's lives during what was happening uh with COVID.
Now, uh there have been some uh recent positive developments in his case, and he joins us today to bring us up to speed and talk about what he went through, what it means for our country in our future.
Welcome, Dr. Kirk Moore.
It's just an honor, sir, to have you on here today.
Here's here's your website.
Um can we bring on Dr. Moore?
Hold on.
Okay.
There we go.
Welcome, Dr. Moore.
All right.
Well, how are you doing, Mike?
Thanks for having me.
Doing great.
I introduced you, and we got your website instead.
But now you're here.
This is awesome.
Welcome.
Again, thanks.
Yeah, so uh you're you're in much better spirits now.
Um we were all watching your your court case situation, a lot of drama, high emotions.
You had a tremendous amount of support.
Can you catch us up to the decision and what what you went through recently?
Yeah, so um I mean, I don't remember when it was that we spoke the last time, obviously it was before my trial and everything, but you know, kind of what happened is um I you know, my kind of quote unquote appeal to the weaponization work group um was denied, uh, and we ended up going to trial on July 7th.
Um and then during that trial, uh, well, right before that trial, there was a lot of lead up to it.
Um Ed Zall and uh Matt Scow, um uh um Shannon Joy and a bunch of people had me on.
Mary Tally Bowden had me on her podcast, and so there was a lot of lead up to the trial.
Um we had uh July 7th was our first day.
We had jury selection for a couple of days.
And remind me, what what were you charged with?
Oh, yeah.
So I was charged with um fraud, uh conspiracy to commit fraud, um, uh counterfeiting um and destruction of government property, which had uh that's crazy.
That a maximum maximum time in jail of 35 years, which essentially for me at 60 years old would have been a life sentence.
But um, you know, it probably wouldn't have resulted in 35 years.
There's probably some sort of a chart or something somewhere.
But again, that you know, fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud, uh destruction of government property, which was the vaccines, um, and uh, you know, so it really interesting, kind of just interesting dynamic, right?
Yeah, and and just just to back up, you're you're um a cosmetic surgeon is your practice, correct?
I just want to bring everybody up to speed.
Right.
Yeah, so I'm a I'm a plastic surgeon who uh kind of uh ventured into the COVID vaccine realm uh because I just felt that it was it it was an inhumane um process and requiring people to get a vaccine and to get a shot.
Well, I don't I shouldn't call it a vaccine, it's not.
I I've I've kind of vowed to call it a bioweapon from now on.
Uh so to give people a bioweapon in order to contribute to society, I thought was a was exceedingly wrong, especially within the medical profession.
Absolutely.
I think our audience agrees with you on that.
Okay, so you were charged with all these criminal violations, and you were charged by was it the state of Utah that charged you?
Or who was it?
Oh, the DJ ran a sting operation on me.
Uh so this was our Department of Justice.
Oh my.
Okay.
Yeah.
And uh under Biden, primarily, I would imagine.
Yeah, so that I was charged in January of 23.
Um, I had a superseding indictment in January of 25, about five days before Donald Trump was indicted, or before he was inaugurated.
Um, and then uh the trial continued under, you know, under Pam Bondi.
Um, and then in in that middle of July, they it finally intervened and dismissed my case.
Okay, so so it was Pam Bondi, Trump's DOJ just filed to dismiss the charges against you.
Yeah.
So with all of the build-up, like I said, we had some build-up through the course of that week before trial, and then during trial, we had a couple of rallies.
We had a rally on Monday, another larger rally on Friday.
There was an article that was published midweek by Ed Zall, which accused Pam Bondi of personally prosecuting me.
And that got picked up by Marjorie Taylor Green and Thomas Massey, who then posted on uh X that they were going to intervene and they were going to call the DOJ and uh and and reverse this process.
Uh Robert F. Kennedy uh came out as well in my defense for the second time.
He had the first time he came out was in April.
Um and then Senator Mike Lee from my state came out.
Um and so I think a combination of all that, the larger rally on Friday um on Saturday morning at 8 30, the DOJ um under Pam Bondi's direct um uh instructions uh came out and dismissed my case mid-trial, mid mid-prosecution.
That's unheard of as far as I know.
And it also brings home the point of why we need people like Marjorie Taylor Green and Thomas Massey in uh in Congress, because these are two voices that are even dissenting against the current administration on many issues.
And there's an effort to try to destroy uh Thomas Massey uh to primary him and also Marjorie Taylor Green.
But these are the two people that really came to your defense.
Yeah, you know, Marjorie Taylor Green probably, and it and I got this from Tucker Carlson said that she is probably the single most um effective person for the individual person, you know, uh individual out there, you know, like people like me that are just normal guys running running their business and taking care of life, taking care of their kids and you know, raising raising their kids and doing the best they can.
Um, and absolutely, uh, she was she was instrumental.
Thomas Massey is um, you know, RFK is out there, you know, Senator Mike Lee.
Uh, but yeah, the the you know, I was uh I was on the Tucker Carlson show when I mentioned those three names, he was he said the same thing.
He said, those are my three favorite people.
Yeah.
So we need more people.
And um, you know, standing up for just the normal guy.
There's so many, um, I've heard of so many other cases that are out there right now with wrongful prosecution of people, and and it's just crazy.
You start, you know, the floodgates open when people find out who I am and what happened to me and everything else, they kind of send me texts and emails and and everything else.
Can you help me?
And you just can't imagine what's happening to people out there and what they're what our what our government is doing to people.
Well, that's that's my next question.
Did you before all of this as a practicing surgeon?
Did you have any idea of how vicious the state can be when they disagree with your medical decisions?
Uh well, I had an idea.
I didn't realize to the extent that they would go through.
I mean, they put me in jail for 34 days just because they disagreed with my opinion.
Um I I went to jail for 12 days on one time, 22 days on another, and two of my co-defendants had the exact same uh had violated this the exact same issues, and those people got let go.
Um so it it's it's definitely not a system of justice right now which is targeted towards you know equal justice for people.
They were coming after me.
They were using me as an example, they wanted to prove a point that hey, if you go against the government, this is what we're going to do to you, this is what we can do to you, and this is what we're going to do to you.
And that's very frightening for all of us, which leads me to the question: why do you think the DOJ ultimately decided to dismiss your case?
Was it just going to be too embarrassing for them to prosecute you because of the the, I believe the morality and the ethical foundation of your decisions.
You know, what why do you think they drop your case?
Um, if I take Pam Bondi at her word, that's exactly what it was.
Um when I met her, you know, on the 16th of July, I believe that was the following Wednesday, um, and uh, you know, it it she was like, I didn't know about your case.
I'm really sorry that you went through all this.
She kind of was shaking her head uh when I was telling her the story of what you know what I'd been through.
Um and uh, you know, so if I take her at her word that, you know, it's just one of those things where it's just a behemoth and it's a beast, and you know, it's just kind of like one person can't obviously keep track of everything.
Um when my file was passed off to her, um, one of the people in the DOJ said, 'Here, I'm glad that Pam Bondy is finally looking at this.
This gave me heartache.
Um, and uh, you know, so there are some people that have a heart, and there are some people that do believe what it is that we're going through, but they're fighting against a system that is um that is built to not, you know, to not have that kind of humanity in it.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It's so inhumane.
And the you know, it in your case, it wasn't just a threat of yanking your medical license, which is a lot of leverage by itself, but then throwing you in prison for up to 35 years, as you said.
But here's a question for you.
Do you think that if Kamala had won the election, would you still be prosecuted?
I probably I probably would have been prosecuted and I'd probably be facing some sort of sentencing right now and and facing jail time.
Absolutely.
So you think that Trump's victory really changed your your life in a in a dramatic way, and that Trump saw what, just the the injustice of what the Biden administration had done to you?
Well, I I certainly don't think that Donald Trump didn't know of my case, at least not on those last few days.
I don't think Pam Bondy would have done this without Donald Trump knowing that he was that you know that she was gonna do it.
Um, you know, I think it's also ironic that you know I was arrested the day after Trump was elected and put in jail for 22 days.
So wow.
And I also don't think that it was uh just coincidental that five days before uh Donald Trump was inaugurated, they added a charge of destruction of government property to it, because I don't know that that would have been able to be added afterwards.
I mean, you know, destruction of government property and wit and evidence tampering is what they were claiming.
Um and that carries a pretty stiff sentence.
Um and they were claiming that I had thrown away the vaccines that the government still owned when they were sitting in my fridge here in my office.
Um and we during the trial, we actually, I believe proved that they had no ownership to that product.
So, you know, you asked me earlier why do I think they threw this case out.
I think that they were losing the case.
Um and I also think that they were scared of exposure of what was was potentially gonna happen if you read Sasha Ladapova's um expose on this shortly after my my trial, and there was another article published by um uh an organization, Health Independence Alliance, published an article and went online with it uh on Substack, you know, calling out the government and and really kind of like it was gonna expose what this whole system was.
Um this is you know, it was called Operation Warp Speed.
It this means that it was a government quote unquote operation, a military operation.
Nothing else is called operation.
You know, you have Operation Candlestick, you have Operation, you know, Mockingbird, North Woods.
You know, yeah, this was a government product and it was gonna get exposed, at least according to what you know, Sasha uh believed was was happening.
And that's part of the reason why I think they decided to kind of, you know, yank the chain on this.
That's really interesting.
So you you you may be aware that Dr. Benjamin Rush had argued for uh a health freedom amendment to the Bill of Rights.
And uh he was a signer of the Declaration of Independence.
And it was believed at that time in the 18th century that it wasn't necessary to have uh medical rights uh, you know, elucidated in the Bill of Rights, because the government would never stop somebody from making their own medical choice.
Well, you know, fast forward, here we are, almost 250 years later, and the government is throwing people in jail or trying to, like you, uh uh because of exercising medical choice.
Do you think that we now need some kind of medical bill of rights or or medical, you know, patients' rights legislation?
Oh boy, Mike, uh that that's a tough question for me because I think we already have too much legislation In our system.
Um, I think that if we were to go back to just the structural framework of our constitution without all of the um changes and adaptations and interpretations of it, I don't think that we would need it.
Um I guess the short answer to your question, given what's happening and what's going on right now, um, I think it certainly would be beneficial.
Well, uh let me uh clarify that question too, because uh I I also agree with you that we have far too many laws, but most of those laws restrict the rights of individuals and they grant government overarching power over the choices of individuals.
The only kind of new laws I'm really in favor of are those that restrict government power.
For example, laws that prohibit big tech from censoring free speech if it's a public square uh discussion place.
Like it, in my opinion, it should be illegal for YouTube to censor videos that are critical of vaccines.
So that's using the power of government to protect the individual rights that are elucidated in the Bill of Rights, such as the First Amendment.
But I just think we need a third amendment, or or you know, let's take the current Third Amendment, which is that you know, the the government can't house soldiers in your homes, and let's push that out to the next available amendment number, whatever that is.
Let's let's make the Third Amendment the medical freedom amendment.
You know what I mean?
Like it should be right up there, one, two, and three.
The right to speak, the right to bear arms, and the right to say no to some kind of toxic injection.
Right.
Well, look, um, here's the struggle that I have.
Okay.
Um, there were no COVID laws.
Okay.
There were no requirements for anything.
The CDC doesn't have any lawful governmental functions at all.
They're an advisory agency only.
What has happened is is our system is somewhat bastardized in that anything that comes out of the CDC gets incorporated as if it were law.
And that's not correct.
Okay.
It's a recommendation.
And so we need to go back to kind of that federalist system where the our agencies in our states and our cities and everything else take those recommendations, and then based upon their own population, they kind of either implement them or don't, or implement them partially.
But, you know, that that's the thing is that that's the struggle that I had all along is the CDC doesn't have any capacity to write laws.
My indictment at least 17 times called for the that I was violating the lawful governmental functions of the CDC.
We even filed a motion to dismiss based upon that wording, and the judge ruled against us.
So uh it that's you know, again, there are no lawful guards, and we even had them agree to that.
They had a CDC um the guy who was in charge of the CDC, uh uh Chris um gosh darn, I can't remember his name.
Um anyway, the guy who the their first witness that they brought in was the CDC guy in charge of the whole COVID thing.
And when we got him to admit that the CDC doesn't have any lawful governmental functions, and yet here they were.
My indictment was based largely on the lawful government that I violated the lawful governmental functions.
Um the only law that was violated in all of this was the government.
The government violated their own HIPAA laws that are actually in place there to protect our own privacy.
So why aren't they kind of self-indicting themselves, or why aren't they indicting the, you know, the airline um employees that are asking for our personal private medical information, or the grocery store clerks that are asking you to show your COVID card as you're walking in the door, or the restaurant personnel for all those things.
Those are the only laws that were violated.
And those are laws that were on the books.
There were no COVID COVID laws, period.
Nothing is ever passed by Congress that said you have to get this shot.
And I don't think anything would ever happen and passed by Congress.
The problem is is that you know, we have these agencies that just take this information and these recommendations and then they implement them as law.
Um that's not law.
The fiefdoms of the CDC and the FDA and so on.
And uh, but to answer your question, of course, you know the government allows itself to commit unlimited number of crimes, uh including money laundering, including uh human trafficking, weapons trafficking, you name it, right?
The government does it.
Uh and also currency trafficking.
Right?
Drug trafficking, pedophilia, you know.
All of it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, you know, they're guilty of practically every crime on the books.
But they only, of course, you know, direct those the prosecutions to people like you.
Now, even though the DOJ dropped your case, as you well know, the the process is the punishment, right?
So dragging you through the process.
Can you describe to us what this was like?
The uh the financial cost, um this must have cost you hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars.
I don't know.
But the stress, the uncertainty.
I mean, just the stress alone depletes nutrients.
And it, you know, I mean, it's it's devastating.
It's a kind of torture for them to drag you through that.
What was that like?
Uh it was certainly the most brutal experience I've ever had in my life.
Um, it was certainly the hardest, the most stressful time of my life.
And to my family, my two kids, my mom, um, my fiance now, kind of stuck through this um, or you know, stuck with me throughout this whole process.
Um but uh, you know, the the so that the stressful thing, it was in it's it's an amazing thing.
You don't really realize it.
When I got that phone call saying that that Pam Bondi was going to drop my case, um the the effect that it had on me, I literally collapsed on the floor.
Um, and it's kind of like I just lost control of my legs.
It it really had that kind of an effect.
Um and uh, you know, it's it's an amazing feeling.
Um, and but then you kind of you then you come back to reality and you realize, okay, now it's time for me to kind of continue.
I wasn't planning on rebuilding my practice and rebuilding my life after this.
The the financial loss just from the expenditures was almost a million dollars.
But the financial loss in the growth that I had and the practice that I had built up to is in the millions.
Um, you know, there were people, there's you know, five or six colleagues of mine that I was included in that in this group, and they got bought out by a venture capital group for millions.
Um and I was in that until I got indicted.
Right.
So the you know, the the opportunity costs and the loss for me is astounding.
And um, and then having to rebuild it now at age 60 um is you know, is kind of an amazing uh, you know, amazing situation, amazing.
I mean, that and I lack of a better word, um uh a real struggle for us because that's not what I was planning on doing.
Well, uh tell us about your practice here.
And I want to I want to read from your website, uh, Freedomsurgical Utah.com.
And here it is, Dr. Kirk Moore.
Uh so you you carry out plastic surgery.
Uh can you tell us about what kinds of surgical procedures that you carry out?
I mean, you know, what sort of what's your practice?
What does it consist of?
Well, my main, I mean, I what I've been doing for over 20 years is what I call kind of a rapid recovery breast augmentation procedure, which um I've I don't say pioneered.
I just you know, I took bits and pieces of other things.
I'll give John Tebetz credit down in Dallas.
Um he wrote an article about it back in 2000, 2001.
Um, there's a couple of other people that you know were doing kind of a you know, a relatively, you know, in uh minimally invasive breast augmentation procedure, and then I just kind of took what they were doing, you know, massaged it a little bit, changed it a little bit and you know, and everything else.
But I do a breast augmentation procedure that gets people back to work the next day, driving their car the next day, doing all you know, all normal activities pretty much except for going to the gym and you know, trying to kind of make any personal bests.
Uh, but you know, no narcotics, no gases, uh, you're up and awake, and you know, within 20 minutes, you're fully coherent within two hours, going to dinner the same day.
Um, so that's been kind of my bread and butter for the last 20 some odd years.
Um I do mostly body contouring.
I uh have a med spa where I do Botox and fillers.
You know, it's your kind of your typical classic, you know, plastic surgery practice.
Um we have now kind of expanded into doing kind of more of the functional medicine stuff, um, getting out of the traditional big pharma um medical paradigm.
I try to stay away from any narcotics and any medications, try to do things along a more natural um base.
Um I mean, we saw just the evidence just here in the last few months over, you know, Tylenol, which we thought was the safest medication on the face of the earth.
Um, and yet we look at what its effects can be in in pregnant mothers and kids and you know and everything else.
And we really don't know.
Um, and I and I truly think that um uh just as Marsha Angel said, I think back in 2000, 2001, uh, she was the ex uh chief editor of the New England Journal of Medicine that the vast majority of the articles and information that gets published in medical journals is actually false.
Um and I think that's only gotten worse.
So this is really interesting, and and I'll just share with you.
I uh you may or may not already already be aware of this, but did you know that the molecule glycerizin, which is found in licorice root, uh protects the liver from acetaminophen toxicity.
So uh if anybody ever asks me about Tylenol, I say, hey, if you take Tylenol, always take licorice root first because it protects the liver.
So and you know, liver damage from acetaminophine is is uh extremely common.
And and then some people on New Year's Eve, they they take Tylenol and they drink alcohol, and then they're like, oh, what's what's wrong?
Well, you know, you just got a headache to the next morning, right?
Exactly.
But the the services that you just mentioned, see, it's it's really interesting to me and to our audience because you have been practicing in a world that we would not call holistic, you know, type of surgical medicine.
But this shift, and I think also this experience of how you have been prosecuted for simply standing your ground, you are beginning to see sort of more and more complementary approaches or natural approaches or ways to minimize the pharmaceutical emphasis, like you said before.
And I think that's that's really healthy.
I mean, I think that's healthy for society.
I'm I'm really glad that you are, you know, widening your view viewpoints of possible alternative or possible complementary approaches to achieving the you know your your main business concepts.
Uh well, look, I I Mike, I believe that we've been lied to for the last 120 years, at least as far as medicine is concerned.
Um I started doing natural hormone replacement, bioidentical hormone replacement back in the early 2000s and have continued to do that.
Um so I I've had a bent towards uh you know more of a natural approach.
Uh COVID certainly opened up my eyes.
And my kids are my daughter in born in 2003 is only partially vaccinated.
My son isn't vaccinated at all.
Um and he was born in 2007.
Um I haven't had a vaccine since 2011 when I and I wouldn't have gotten that one, but I had to to go to Ghana for a humanitarian trip.
Um so uh, you know, there's um, you know, there's a lot of things that I've been doing, but COVID certainly kind of opened my eyes, and and not only just to medicine in general, but to all kinds of things.
So that's a much longer discussion.
If you want to have me back on, we could go through some of that.
But um it's uh, you know, yes, and I've always had a bent towards doing that.
And again, this has only accelerated that.
I'm doing a lot of natural, you know, natural peptide replacement.
Um, you know, even the kind of the semiglutide and and everything else that everybody else is doing.
If they're gonna do it, I'd like, and I don't necessarily agree with it.
I think GLP1s are a very good product, and they um, you know, in general, as a natural form, they are necessary.
Um and uh if you if you can keep that as a general, you know, as in in its natural, most natural form as possible.
I've taken people off of synthroid and levothyroxin and put them on armor thyroid or nature throid um just and and made a a change in their life just by doing that.
It's it's amazing when you start looking and reading and understanding science and going back to the basics and not have it be um kind of jaded by the stuff that we're told uh in medical school and all the textbooks that are all owned by Big Arma.
I completely agree.
And uh uh this year actually I I got turned on to peptide therapy.
And I'll I'll just say I've just been using BPC 157 intranasally, and it enabled me to overcome previous sports injuries to my back to where I'm now able to run 30 minutes a day.
That was inconceivable for me a year ago.
But BPC 157 uh got me back on my feet jogging.
And and I gave that to my son on his ACL reconstruction.
Yeah.
Right.
So And you know what's great is I think when you combine these these very pioneering therapies, you know, like peptide therapy, uh, even you know, for cognition, you know, CMAX and things like that that I've talked about with my audience, but you Combine them with really good nutrition and you know reduction of toxins, reduction of exposure to to uh you know carcinogens and and whatever's in the food um free radicals, et cetera.
Um you can really have this strong complementary effect with multiple therapies coming together, even for recovery time for your patients, I would imagine.
Right.
Right.
No, we've started actually doing that and implementing um, you know, either intra-operative IVs or immediately postoperative, or even kind of people that come in on their one-day follow-up uh to try to accelerate the recovery.
So we have a kind of a recovery program that we run people through.
Um, and then we have, you know, other, you know, other kind of therapy programs and things that we can do, weight loss, you know, weight loss programs that don't necessarily involve um, you know, kind of the synthetic GLP ones, um, or at least if they are in a very, very modified, you know, dose level.
Um and uh in, you know, in other, you know, in other ways, let's put it, let's put it that way.
But um, you know, I think there's, you know, magnesium uh is another big one that I think is just completely overlooked, at least as far as uh brain cognition and everything else.
Um, you know, and and the right type of vitamin C, uh, you know, high dose vitamin C. Um, and you know, uh, and you can't really do high dose vitamin C as a single dose, uh, otherwise, you know, it gives you some GI upset problems.
Um, but you can do it in in small incremental doses throughout the course of the day.
So if you want somebody to have 15 grams of IV or sorry, 15 grams of vitamin C and you don't want to use an IV, then you can do that by having them take a thousand milligrams a day while awake or a thousand milligrams an hour while you know during their during their waking hours.
And it won't have that same GI, you know, GI effect, but you still get some of the benefits as long as it's a good quality vitamin C. Right.
That's a lot of vitamin C, by the way.
I don't I don't take anywhere near that much, and I still get strong benefits from it.
Right.
But I I understand you're describing high dose vitamin C, which can be really useful for people, especially in in certain situations.
Or especially people coming off a lot of processed junk food or a lot of pharmaceutical, like a heavy pharmaceutical load, and then they add Tylenol on top of that, and then they've got exposure to all these fragrance chemicals from their indoor home environment that's toxic.
You know, the liver load is really intense.
Well, the air that we're breathing, you know, with the stuff that gets sprayed in our inner environment, the food that we get that's been sprayed by chemicals, even uh, you know, even the the, you know, even the chemicals that are supposed or not chemicals, but even the stuff that's supposed to be coming at us that's organic, you know, the appeal A-P-E-E-L stuff that, you know, Bill Gates is pushing to put on all food that doesn't have to be even declared, which is a synthetic product, um, you know, all this stuff.
Uh, you know, it gets into your system.
So you have to find some way to detoxify that.
And it's an ongoing battle to Mike, to be honest with you.
And nobody has all the answers.
Um, but in and in large measure, it's to some degree a trial and error scenario where we just have to really work on, you know, on what's going to work for this person might not necessarily work for that one.
And that's the whole thing with the COVID thing, you know.
I mean, why is one COVID shot going to help one person and not help everybody else?
Or how is it that, you know, one size fits all?
We don't have a one size fits all in everything in this whole world, other than in medicine.
And that's, you know, we need to get out of that paradigm.
By the way, we reached out to the legal team representing appeal and we offered to test their product for metals uh in our lab and to share the results publicly, whatever they might be, which might vindicate them if they claim that they don't have any heavy metals.
And uh we heard nothing back.
Yeah.
So it's like, well, hey, the offer is out there if they want to send us a sound.
I mean, we'll we'll do it in good faith.
You know, we're not gonna fudge results or anything.
We're we're an ISO accredited laboratory.
We'll just play it by the book as we always do.
Right.
You know, they're not interested in that.
That's the whole that's the whole thing.
I guess not.
Uh I don't know.
Um, just eat it and shut up and stop asking questions.
Okay.
Uh uh finally, Dr. Moore, um look, this has been an amazing conversation.
We still have a few minutes left, but I want to ask you how how does this change your approach to medicine from here forward?
So, for example, you know, what if there's another pandemic and then there's another big vaccine push?
You know, what what are you going to do differently, if anything, uh surrounding that, if if that comes up again?
Uh well, I won't do anything differently.
I don't believe in pandemics.
I don't think they exist.
I think they're all fake.
I think COVID was a good thing.
I think so too, by the way.
Yeah.
I think COVID was invented for the bioweapon, uh, not the other way around.
Um, you know, I I believe that was part of the reason why my case was was actually dismissed because if we had gotten exposure to it, I think that all of the information that was in there would have predated 2020, which would have been a total disaster for that jury to see that they were negotiating all of this stuff in 2015 through 2019 with the contracts that they had and everything else would have completely totally blown up the case.
And that's what Sasha Latapova claims is one of the main reasons why they dismiss my case.
Yeah.
So uh, you know, pandemics don't exist.
Um, you know, whether you want to believe in viruses or not, I'm I'm I'm leaning towards not.
Um and uh, you know, and so I don't I just don't think that, you know, any of the stuff that with medicine right now that we're being taught uh is is actually truthful.
I I believe that we've been lied to uh since the early 1900s, um, and it's only gotten worse.
And you know, that and that's kind of the reasons why I'm leaning towards what it is that I'm doing.
Um, I still do breast augmentation.
Some people say that that's kind of like an oxymoron.
Um, but uh I still do it because it, you know, unfortunately for me, I don't think it's necessarily bad for you.
Silicone is sand.
Um, do some people have an effect on it?
Yes, I do.
Um, but you know, on my the other procedures that I do where I do a tummy tuck and I take people's extra skin off early, there is no other option for people that have had a significant amount of weight loss or have, you know, uh had the you know the the skin uh structural um uh breakdown from pregnancies and and everything else.
That's you know, that's something that you know we have to correct surgically if they want that corrected.
Um does it have to happen?
Probably not.
Um if we had a better society and better, you know, and better nutrition and we taught people better and we we kept them away from a lot of the pharmaceutical things, uh, then I don't think that those side effects would necessarily happen as much.
Um I don't think a woman needs to gain 50 pounds for an eight-pound baby.
Um you know, and yet that's kind of what we're taught.
So I don't um I don't believe a lot of what medicine is taught us.
I think that it's completely pharma-owned.
Um and you know, the textbooks are owned, our medical schools are owned, our journals are owned, the investigators are owned, the labs are owned, uh, you know, and and physicians are owned in large measure too, because they're all salaried.
90 plus percent of docs out there are salaried by in some way, shape, or form, either by uh hospital organization or a large medical subspecialty group, which in turn is then financed by the insurance corporations, which in turn is financed by big harma.
So exactly.
And and I'm glad you you you talked about the the fraud of contagion, because see the this is one of the silver linings of going through COVID, all of us.
Uh and and then learning, you know, I've interviewed uh doctors Kaufman and Cowan and learned from them and so many others.
And see, as a as a, you know, I'm a lab scientist myself.
I'm a published scientist with analytical methods for you know food analysis and so on.
And uh I I believed everything about virology before COVID.
Right.
And then we started to learn and realize like holy cow, you know, if if this were really a contagion, it wouldn't have stopped in New York City, you know, for one thing.
And you know, I was so freaked out.
I was like, yeah, we gotta have travel bans and stuff, and we've got to look at this.
And now looking back, I realize we were all being hoaxed.
The whole thing was theater, and it was all designed to get people to be injected with something that harmed and killed tens of millions of people.
Right.
Yeah, I I'm fully on board.
This was a bioweapon that was used primary primarily uh to depopulate the world, which is what uh the Bill Gates is and everybody else want to, you know, want to have us do.
Yep.
Uh they want 500,000 people.
The Georgia Guide Stones told us that, you know, and they want to have 500,000 people on this earth where they can control it.
Uh they want to feed us chemicals, they want to make, you know, lab uh, you know, lab meat, um, you know, lab grown salmon and uh, you know, poison people uh and and control the birth rate.
Uh they've already decreased the birth rate by more than 30%.
Um we're at, you know, we're at we're all of the EU, every single country in the EU, and now the United States, we are all sub-uh replacement level right now.
So we're gonna see population go down over the next next couple of generations unless we can reverse this.
So and that actually brings me to kind of the last thing I wanted to talk with you about.
Um I focus a lot on the rise of AI and the human replacement um that's underway.
Of course, we we're we're also using the technology for good.
You know, we have our own AI engine, uh, Brighton.ai.
It's free for everybody to use, and it's heavily trained on nutrition, alternative medicine, uh, superfoods, you know, phytochemistry.
I mean, actually, this is trained on more than any other mainstream engine in the world by far on these subjects.
But I also think that the globalists, they want to exterminate billions of humans because they realize that both cognition and labor can uh very shortly be replaced by machines.
And I think that they're using the medical uh establishment system in order to accelerate that extermination agenda.
And I think we already saw the opening chapter of that, but they're nowhere near finished because they didn't kill a billion people yet.
So they're gonna keep trying.
Well, like have I gone too far on that, or what do you think?
No.
Um I personally think that they're underestimating um the power of the human brain and the power of humanity, uh, not just in numbers per se, but just in innovation.
Um, and if they really think that they're gonna be able to do an artificial intelligence based solely on what it is that we have to contribute to a system right now and not have a you know large swath, billions of input and data points, um, they're selling themselves short.
And eventually AI is gonna burn itself out too.
Uh that's my opinion.
Um, and you know, you need people to contribute to that, just like you're saying that you built Brighton and a certain Brighton.ai in a certain way, um, that they're doing the same thing.
But you need that innovation.
You need that human innovation.
And that's not gonna happen with a computer-generated artificial intelligence.
The difference is that yeah, the the big tech companies are building AI to enslave and exterminate humanity.
I'm building AI to empower and defend humanity.
Well, and that's the way it should be built, right?
It should be done as kind of an ancillary growth and a and a and then um and not a parasitic relationship, but a symbiotic relationship where you can use it, where you get on, I get on there, and I I will type up a letter and then I'll upload it to AI and I'll say, hey, you know, kind of fix this for me so that it sounds better and it gets rid of the typos and I don't have run-on sentences or you know, whatever the scenario is, right?
Um and that's how I use it.
Um but I'm not using it as a substitute for my own brain power.
And that's what some people are, and that's what I think uh, you know, the powers that be right now are trying to do that to substitute for human ingenuity.
Uh, and that's not what it's for.
And I don't think they'll ever get to that point.
And I think eventually that if they do that over the course of the next two, three, four generations, whatever they have.
I mean, I don't know if they're gonna do it by 2030, which is their agenda.
Um, but um, you know, if they get to that point, they're gonna burn themselves out because then we, you know, it it's just gonna be a um a law of diminishing returns at that point because they want to have that ingenuity in there.
I see that because the powers that be are not that smart.
It's far as I'm gonna do that.
Yeah, actually, we are we are smarter than they are.
They just have they control all the all the doorways right now.
But uh I I want to ask you about the AI takeover of uh mainstream medicine.
Like you take a typical GP.
That person, uh, you know, very different from what you do.
A GP is very algorithmic.
They they look at symptoms and they prescribe drugs.
Right for like 95% of what they do, especially pediatricians, right?
They're just pushing vaccines and prescribing drugs.
Well, because it's so algorithmic and because it's so robotic, that can easily be replaced by AI systems.
And I actually see that that's going to happen in certain areas of medicine very quickly.
Now, you know, it it won't be what you're doing or other types, you know, brain surgery and and and specialty diagnostics and so on.
But for GP type of roles, which are just sort of glorified pill pushing, there's no reason why a machine can't take that over.
And I think it's gonna happen.
I think we're gonna have a day here.
Uh my prediction is by 2030, AI will write prescriptions that are legally accepted.
Um, you know, you may very well be right.
The struggle that I have with that is I can't tell you the number of times that I've had an interaction with somebody on some social media post where I ask them questions, um, and then I see that they've posted something that that you can just tell it's from an AI that they did, whether it's Groc or whether it's you know chat GPT or whatever.
But if you go through those answers, and and I do this with vaccines all the time.
You know, I'm still looking for somebody to give me a vaccine that's had a placebo controlled study that's currently on our market.
And and but if you ask Grok or you ask an AI, they will give you six, seven, ten different examples.
But if you go through those, um, every single one of them is fraudulent.
Yeah.
Um, but yet you're right, the GPs will accept that.
I was on one of our you know medical platforms, and there was a psychiatrist when I asked him that same question, posted a you know, list of I think eight or ten um different studies that he claimed were, but it was it was right from AI.
And I already knew the answer to it because I'd already tested that answer with AI before, and I already had the answers, and I debunked every single one of them, one by one by one.
Um the problem is, Mike, is that when you do that, those people don't believe you.
Right.
They believe that they just they will argue with you when you say, hey, that's not a placebo-controlled study because they used they didn't use a placebo.
Well, the title of the article says it was a placebo.
Well, yeah, maybe, but when you go to the methods and you look in there, what they use for placebo, they used you know prenar seven instead of prednar 14.
Um quote unquote placebo.
Um and and these people just don't get it.
And that's the struggle that I have is to is that it it's a cult.
Um, and I mean, I'm sure you watched it.
Uh, I think I even heard you talking about it, you know, when on I think it was September 9th, when uh um Ron Johnson ran his um uh ran his discussion that he had with Aaron Siri over vaccines, and he had on there um God, what was that guy's name that I uh it's at the tip of my tongue.
Um Dr. Um Scott uh oh man, I've I should know his name, and it's not uh oh boy.
Anyway, he the the doc that was on there was just repeating talking points that he'd just been given.
Um and he's a Stanford infectious disease doctor, okay?
Yeah, and Aaron Siri destroyed him.
Destroyed him.
In in 90 seconds, Aaron Seary tore down every single argument that he had.
And this guy, the only thing that he could throw back was, well, I just I gave those to you at 3 a.m.
I don't know how you could have had time to kind of go through that, which was part of their tactics, right?
Yeah.
Um and Aaron Siri is like, well, I've just got a crack team.
Um, but on top of that, Aaron Siri's already done all the research and he already knows what's out there.
This guy here, God, what was his name?
Scott.
Yeah, I don't recall his name either.
Um, I just completely I sent him an email and I posted it on my in my thing.
And every single podcast that I get a chance to bring them up, I usually just, you know, I call him out by name because the guy is a total fraud.
Um, and you know, I'm not sure.
Well, that's that's okay.
Um anyway, go ahead.
Well, let me mention too, then uh you're not gonna find a better engine for vaccine research than our engine brighton.ai.
And I I I really want to mention this to you, and you know, spread the word and use it yourself because we we have trained, we've we've spent about two years at about two million dollars on data pipeline processing to train the model.
It knows more about vaccine dangers than any other AI model in the world.
And so it's a it's a research tool.
And we're finding that there's a lot of guardrails that are being put on chat GPT or Grok.
Grok is horrible on health freedom and vaccines and medicine.
Absolutely.
It's horrible.
And in fact, when we ran tests on our model versus the others, we had about 94% alignment with uh natural health principles and the health freedom.
Whereas Chat GPT, I think it it it was like 12% alignment or something.
I mean, it wasn't even close, right?
So these AI models, they they test them on benchmarks for mathematics, you know, advanced physics questions and so on.
Yeah, well, they're gonna beat us on that, but we beat them on the things that matter, like, you know, medicine and health and longevity and you know, nutrition.
So now the the battlefield space for censorship has shifted to the AI realm.
Fewer people are using Google, uh, you know, search engines, fewer people are reading books.
People are going to AI to get answers for everything.
So now we're seeing Big Pharma try to take over and control AI to push their narratives.
That's the challenge we're facing now.
Right.
Well, look, I'm glad you told me I was just um my office manager who's also my fiance.
She and I share uh um an upgraded uh chat GPT AI, and she can't stand it because I ask different questions than what she asks.
And so it kind of gets confused uh when it you know starts researching things.
So I will definitely use Brighton.ai.
Um I'm I'm glad you know uh you know, I'm glad you kind of told me about that because that's certainly something that I you know that I need.
Um, and that I I definitely will use.
Thanks for you know, thanks for telling me.
Jake Scott, by the way, is the guy's name.
Jake Scott and D. Jake Scott.
So um, and just a note on Brighton.
Um, right now it emails you the answer, but in a few days, the upgrades coming, it's just gonna give it to you in real time, like chat GPT.
Okay.
Because we we we had we had to build out our own infrastructure.
We we have to host it ourselves so that we don't get deplatformed by like Amazon AWS or whatever.
Like we in order for us to function, this is kind of like your practice.
We have to build out so many redundant uh infrastructure components so that we can't be cut off or deplatformed or or whatever.
It's much harder for us who are truth tellers to operate in society compared to everybody else.
Well, yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right.
Um, and that's you know, that that's the uh I think Dan Bangino used to talk about it all the time, building a parallel universe.
Um, and I and I I think that that's absolutely what we do.
There's there's no changing these people's minds.
They're they believe that we're in a cult, we believe that they're in a cult.
Um, and uh, you know, there's there is no amount of facts.
Uh Ed Dowd said this in a in a um in a podcast, I think, with Tucker Carlson, where he said there's just um it doesn't matter what facts you tell these people, they're just their belief system is gonna over you know, is just gonna override any factual data that you give them.
That's right.
Um and it's really astonishing, and especially it's really disturbing and and disgusting and um disappointing to see that in the medical profession.
Uh we're supposed to be scientists that are basing our stuff on the scientific, uh, you know, the scientific principles, and and you're supposed to be able to kind of adapt to new information that you get.
But these people are just so ingrained in their thought processes um that there's nothing that's gonna change their mind.
I mean, you could inject somebody right there in front of them and they could die from an injection, and they'll say, Oh, that's just coincidence.
Uh, I I don't I don't get it.
I really don't.
Well, uh they used to call it evidence-based medicine, and they used to just rub that in our faces and say, Well, we have evidence-based medicine.
What you're pushing is woo-woo, you know.
Uh actually, the evidence is on the side of uh phytochemistry and nutrition and prevention.
Uh, the evidence is on the side of the human immune system, which we saw that the establishment pretended did not exist uh during COVID.
They actually said that it's a it's a conspiracy theory to suppose that humanity has an immune system.
And it's just like, wow, that they are willing to say anything.
Well, um in such a short time, Mike, we went from trying to mimic the natural immunity that we get from our own immune system.
Okay, that's what vaccines were supposed to be doing, right?
Right.
We're supposed to be doing something to enhance or mimic or you know, at least assist our immune system.
And then all of a sudden, like you said, our immune system doesn't matter.
You're gonna get it all through a needle.
Uh and the people that and the people that believe that, and there are people hundreds, look, um, there are a million doctors in the United States, thereabouts.
Okay.
How many of us push back against this paradigm?
Very few.
Okay.
I mean, what, maybe a thousand?
Okay, maybe.
Yeah.
And and that's why they're prosecuted.
But but, you know, a thousand people.
That's less than one-tenth of one percent.
Yeah.
That's nuts.
Yeah, it's it's it's wild.
But but the the public is pushing back harder than ever now.
And yeah, the silver lining of COVID is that it really changed the relationship that people have with their doctors, and more people are finding that they they have to be skeptical, they have to ask questions, and they can't just wholeheartedly swallow whatever a traditional doctor is telling them.
And I and I think you would agree that like a healthy patient or a healthy customer is someone who is actively involved in their own wellness and their own outcomes.
Right.
And once wants to have the best outcome through other supporting methods.
It's not a person that comes into your office and says, hey, I just want to keep eating, you know, the all the junk foods, and I want to keep doing all these horrible habits and using drugs and smoking and whatever.
And you fix me, Doc.
Fix me.
You know?
Right.
I want a pill.
Give me a shot.
Right.
Yeah.
You don't want that kind of patient.
Anyway.
So okay.
Um, it's yeah, no, I mean you're absolutely right.
I mean, we were, I mean, that's, and we started down that road a little bit earlier.
Same thing.
COVID opened my eyes about all of this stuff.
I mean, I was already kind of on the fringes a little bit anyway.
Um, but you know, COVID opened my eyes to the extent of the fraud that we've had in our society for the last 200 years.
It's really been incredible.
Well, Dr. Moore, I'm I'm so honored to have you on.
Let me give out your website.
It's freedomsurgical utah.com.
And your practice is located uh where in Utah?
So just outside of Salt Lake City.
Okay, uh, you know, Sandy Midvale area of Salt Lake City.
You know, Utah is the fastest growing population state of America.
Yeah, and it's the slowest growing infrastructure state, too.
Well, and it's not just uh everybody reproducing in it's also people moving in.
A lot of people are leaving California and coming to Utah, for example.
Right.
And they're bringing their morals and values with them.
Well, we have that Texas.
Yeah, we have some of that in Texas too.
Uh, but we're we're gonna keep Texas, Texas.
Is it uh it's just no?
Well, if we keep Texas, Texas, then I might be moving down there.
So by the time you get here, it might be the Republic of Texas again.
We'll we'll see.
Um, but anyway, it's always an honor to have you on the show.
Uh, thank you, Dr. Moore.
Uh, thank you for all that you've done.
Thank you for your courage and for taking a stand for morality in medicine.
We appreciate you.
Well, thanks for having me on, Mike.
Anytime.
All right.
We'll have you back and uh take care.
In the meantime, keep in touch.
And thank all of you for watching.
There's Dr. Kirk Moore there, just uh hero for medical freedom in America.
We owe him a lot, and he he went through a lot to bring us to this point where you know the DOJ dropped those charges and really helped set a precedent.
Uh uh about, you know, the the state shouldn't go after doctors who are making good decisions on behalf of their patients.
And the state shouldn't force jabs into our bodies or anything down our throats.
It should always be a personal choice.
You and your doctor should work together as a team to protect your health.
Uh, that is an informed doctor, not just you know, a pill pushing pharma puppet.
So anyway, thanks for watching.
I'm Mike Adams here at the Health Ranger, Brighton.com, and you can check out our AI engine at Brighton.ai, ask it anything, and also uh new versions coming out in a few days that will give you real-time answers with uh uh an expanded uh data set of knowledge that it draws from.
So really good stuff coming.
Ask it about vaccines.
You'll be stunned.
It's the best engine in the world by far on health freedom issues.
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