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Aug. 28, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Ron Paul talks with Mike Adams about Trump tariffs, currency printing, flag burning and WARS
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Welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
And today we're joined by an extraordinary guest who needs no introduction.
Welcome to the show, Dr. Ron Paul.
It's an honor to have you on today, sir.
Hi, great being with you.
It's really great to be with you.
I mean, this is the first time that we've ever spoken, but I was at your birthday event.
And you may not know this, but I contributed to your 1997 congressional campaign, even though I wasn't a Texan at the time.
You had national appeal, you know, even in the 90s.
I hope the message is worthy of the national appeal.
Absolutely is.
One of the things I want to ask you about and mention is I think as each year passes by here and we look at more and more debt under every president, regardless of which party, I think America increasingly realizes that Ron Paul was right and that if we had heeded your warnings earlier, we might not be in this fiscal mess that we're in.
What do you make of the fact that we're now at over 120% debt to GDP ratio with endless fiat currency printing?
Well, it's very, very dangerous.
And we've already seen what can happen and the danger is getting worse every day.
To me, there's a lot of problems with inflation and destruction of a currency.
But in the early stages, especially at the end, what happens is there's a redistribution of wealth.
So as the government destroys the money and the value of the dollar, the rich are able to get hold of those dollars first, and they become wealthier.
And they're also able to participate in the way this money is spent.
But what happens then is the people that are poorer or middle class are hurt.
But people are waking up to that and realizing this is so unfair, but they don't understand the economics of it all.
So therefore, they frequently just go back to the source of the problem because I had people come to me and say, these prices are too high.
What do you think we should do?
Send us more money.
Of course.
So I've been very interested in trying to educate and to promote our causes.
Well, I think you're doing an outstanding job, obviously.
I mean, you're an American hero in my mind.
I want to mention you've got a show called the Ron Paul Liberty Report.
It's on Rumble Monday through Friday.
Here's the channel, the Ron Paul Liberty Report, very easy to find on Rumble.
And then also your main website, RonPaulInstitute.org, which we are also going to begin indexing on our censored.news website to bring you those headlines every day as well.
Now, Dr. Paul, the Trump administration with Lutnik is doing something very unusual.
They have negotiated to receive a 15% royalty on NVIDIA microchip sales to China.
So in other words, when NVIDIA sells chips to China, the White House gets 15%.
And Lutnik is going to universities and saying, you should give us royalties on the patents because they're paid by, you know, the research is paid by taxpayers.
And then finally, Lutnik is saying the defense industry, we should go to the defense companies like Lockheed Martin, and we should buy a stake in those companies.
And the government just bought a stake in Intel, 10% stake.
What red flags does this raise in your mind?
This is bad, bad news, and it's a bad trend.
And we've been involved in manipulating our relationship with corporations.
And I think one of the things that we should fear the most is corporatism, where there is this mixture of free markets, and special interests are protected more than the others.
And it's also the reason why the special interest groups and money plays a big role in it.
And of course, the big one, military-industrial complex, and also the pharmaceuticals and Yukono on and on.
So that is, to me, very dangerous.
This buying into the stock, so to speak, is, they admit that we've had a lot of mixing up of corporations and favoritism and bailout, but this was a little more blunt, you know, that they are actually owning these stocks and they're advertising it.
Well, we could do this.
We could raise so much money, you know, just buying and selling, you know, having fees, and we'll have enough money that we won't have to raise taxes at all.
You know, I think that's far-fetched, and I think it has so much deception.
And so every time you have a solution like that, the one thing they don't talk about is kind of expanding in a serious manner.
Yeah, there's a word for when government owns the means of production.
There's a word for that.
And I think our audience, I mean, there's so many warning signs in this.
What happens when the government owns a majority of Intel and then dictates to Intel who they're allowed to sell microchips to, which actually they're already doing, or even what should be their chip design preferences?
Maybe the government says we want you to build AI robot chips for war soldiers or something.
You see what I mean?
Yeah, and I think that's going on.
It isn't quite what we see in total fascism or Nazism or communism, where it's so overwhelming.
And then they use military force to keep in order.
But I think that's being expanded in our own government.
You know, well, you know, it's up to the government to bring about peaceful means, so we'll send in the army.
So we start bending the rules.
And so Mises was emphatic about what we had, and that's been 30, 40 years ago.
He said that we don't have socialism, we have interventionism and called corporatism.
But he also predicted that usually, you know, from history and understanding, will lead to fascism, not maybe, you know, the Soviet type of communism, but a type of fascism, because it's easier to sell to the American people.
Oh, we're just the business people, you know, helping out here and doing this.
And then all the motivations are really mixed up in there.
But it's still power.
Just think of the military-industrial complex.
They're doing pretty well.
And we're still short, short money.
If right now we're begging and pleading that all the European nations get together because they want us to fight and do things in Ukraine.
But we're hardcore now.
We say, well, we're not going to do all that.
You guys raise the money and we'll help.
We'll try to push it.
But what we'll do is insist you spend all that money in the United States.
That's right.
It's terrible.
Well, one of the things I've always admired about you, Dr. Paul, is your pro-peace stance and your courage to stand for your principles, even under great public pressure.
And in fact, right now, I love the fact that Tulsi Gabbard spoke at your event also, because I believe that she also wants to help extricate us out of these wars.
And Trump promised to end the Ukraine-Russia war in 24 hours.
It's now been, you know, how many months has it been?
And it's all still going.
And we've got a devastating war in the Middle East.
And my question to you, sir, is that what do you make of there's an effort in America right now among some MA people to try to say that the peace conservatives or the peace libertarians are trying to destroy MAGA, that MAGA stands for war and peace is a destructive principle.
What do you make of that?
Well, it's very frustrating because if you talk to a lot of people, people want peace and prosperity, and it's available to us.
But the people who really, you know, are capable of mobilizing sentiments and attitudes are in the driver's seat for more big government.
And that's where the problem is.
But the people basically, when we talk about what we believe in, it's endorsed.
But, you know, it was, and I think that helped Trump, you know, in winning the election because he was talking some of our language.
But I think that I think they realize that it's a lot of talk.
People are waking up to this.
It's sort of like how people finally woke up to COVID.
And that was great.
But when it comes to really cutting, I thought one of the best things they did at the beginning of this administration was to bring up the subject of USAID.
Yes.
That was great.
That's great news.
I agree.
And yet, at the same time, when the process began, nobody's even talking about it.
Nobody wants to cut anything.
So it's dependency and the pain.
It's like somebody has cancer, and if they don't have a major operation, they're going to die.
But they say, oh, I don't want to go through the operation.
And our country is not ready to go through the operation.
So I don't think we're going to get enough people in Congress to all of a sudden move in that direction.
I think there will be a major event where we'll be forced to make a decision.
Well, in fact, thank you for describing that.
And I have a follow-up question, which is about AI automation of government agencies.
So one of the things that we're seeing now in certain agencies like HHS, but also the IRS, is letting go of the human workers, replacing them with AI, and calling that cutting government.
But it's really not cutting.
It's automating the same functions.
In fact, making the tyranny more efficient, you might argue.
What's your take on that?
Well, I think your point is right, except some of that, to some degree, has happened all along.
You know, back in the Industrial Revolution, you have machinery go in it.
Some people, you know, are laid off.
But I think that the effort to do this is, you know, it's a mixed blessing.
What I fear is there will be some successes and solidify the people who disagree with us.
Take, for instance, law and order.
You know, the streets are burning because of the prediction of what collectivism brings and corporatism brings and inflation brings.
So the cities are a mess.
And then you have this crazy stuff from the far left and the whole thing is falling apart.
And I think that's where the real problem is, is the chaos is there.
And of course, the Marxists like this.
And if there's a success, let's say Trump is unusually and magnificently successful.
And there's a hint that that's what's happening.
Washington is going to be a perfect city.
Well, let's say they do real well.
That won't help people dissect this out.
They'll say, well, don't worry about it.
It's a federal city and all this.
What they're going to do is use that because they're already talking about putting troops in Chicago and in Baltimore.
And if they go every place where they've caused poverty with stupid ideas and irrational monetary policy, there's a lot of work to be done.
And that's why it's so important.
I think I think the mischief here, the big issue is the fact that we have a monetary system that is used to do exactly that.
And people become dependent on it.
It's real hard to break the habit.
You have been proven correct again and again throughout recent history about that because the source of so much corruption and fraud and chaos and also just the loss of purchasing power, the impoverishment of the American people, it all traces back to fiat currency printing.
And I started buying gold in the early 1990s largely because of you, Dr. Paul.
And I've been stacking precious metals ever since and very happy that I've done so.
I've got a question for you about Trump's executive order saying that he wants to throw people in prison for a year for burning the American flag.
Now, you and I both love America and I fly the Texas flag here in the studio.
I would never burn a flag, but I really honor the First Amendment.
What's your take on this?
Well, the first thing is, is the burning of a flag is an expression.
People don't do that other than calling attention, adoy people, antagonize people, and they should be just totally ignored unless they've damaged property or caused a riot or something.
But then it shouldn't be a federal law.
That's not written in the Constitution that we have policemen running all over the place finding out what they're demonstrating on or whether they're burning a flag.
So that is wrong.
If the burning of the flag is related to a riot and organized in such a way, that's a local matter.
That's like if somebody breaks into a store and steals, that should be the policeman command.
And look at what's happened here this last decade.
They run into stores and the police help them.
Hopefully that will change.
But back to my concern is if they do a really great job in Washington, and Washington looks a lot better for various reasons, that'll be the excuse.
We need them and every city, every city has crimes.
And people will say, you know, that's true.
We wouldn't like to have peace again.
One thing is, though, I think the predictions right now of how much can and has been done in Washington already probably won't come to fruition because of the human nature of things.
Well, and also, you know, Beijing is a clean-looking city, but perhaps not for reasons that we would support if we are pro-liberty.
You know, it's a very strict police infrastructure there, and many of China's cities are the same way.
They look really clean on the surface, but then there's this underbelly of what you don't see or the techniques that are used to achieve a so-called clean city.
And I don't want U.S. troops running every U.S. city because my concern, Dr. Paul, is even if Donald Trump acts in good faith, he's not going to be there forever.
Whoever comes next can take that same infrastructure and turn it against the American people, which always seems to happen.
What do you think?
Well, I think what they're doing is totally ignoring the Constitution because they're overstepping, and they have in a long time overstepped the bound of the intrusion of the federal government in doing this.
And besides, I see it as an attack on the First Amendment specifically.
This whole idea that we get colleges, schools, everybody, medical systems, all dependent on the government.
And then if they don't do our bidding, or like the universities, if they have a speaker they don't like, if the government doesn't like that, I say, okay, we're going to take away your subsidy.
Well, you know, in a way, it should have never happened.
They should have never had the subsidy.
They have more and more of this that they use it as a weapon.
And the administration uses the tariffs.
Okay, you do this, and we're going to put a tariff on you.
We're going to make China pay.
But then if people think about it, Chinese customers don't pay it.
The American government pays it, which goes in.
The American people eventually suffer the most from putting tariffs on.
But I think it's so crazy that they think that we'll put a tariff on Trump to balance our budget.
Yeah, that is absurd given the relative small revenues from tariffs.
But that's the last question I wanted to ask you today anyway, was about these tariffs.
And of course, the 50% tariff on India just kicked in.
Meanwhile, and India is supposed to be a U.S. ally.
Meanwhile, China has a much lower tariff now than India, and Trump keeps delaying the additional tariffs on China.
But what does it say to you when one man in America, one person, the president, decides that he alone gets to determine tariffs and set them and use them basically as sanction weapons, even against our allies around the world, potentially destroying many decades of positive relationships with countries like India?
What do you make of that?
I don't think the founders intended the president to have so much power.
And the other big one, I'm sure you could agree with me, how many wars have we fought since World War II started by our foreign policy directed by our presidents?
That's a big one.
Yes.
Absolutely.
And that continues.
No, he has way too much power and wielding this power.
Now, the founders did, you know, they did tolerate some tariffs, but I don't think they ever meant it to be a weapon for the president to use it and then to expand it to sanctions and tariffs and manipulations and all kinds of punishment.
No, it's way too much power.
And on the surface, there's always somebody going to cheer it because somebody thinks they're going to benefit from it.
It's the same way with the inflation.
People tolerated the inflation, even though they knew, well, this is a little bit of a mischief thing, just printing up money.
But on the short run, it seems to be okay.
On the long run, it's like an addiction.
Getting a person off of drugs is a tough job.
And they always demand to come back for more, more, more.
What about Zelensky?
He'd be a good example of that.
All he wants is a billion dollars a month, you know, to keep the war going on.
How ridiculous.
And who's morally responsible for that war?
Well, the people who run NATO and who puts the most money in NATO?
You know, the United States.
People don't see that where no matter what part of the world we're in, if there's fighting going on and people are getting killed, if we're sending weapons there for profits, they should assume responsibility for the so many millions of lives that are lost because of these wars.
Absolutely.
Well, in wrapping up this interview, and I greatly appreciate your time today, Dr. Paul, is there anything else you'd like to mention to our audience?
We're one of the leaders in independent media, and we have a very critical audience, and they're not tribalists.
They're not automatically following one party or another.
They're critical thinkers.
I think most of them are fans of you.
So what would you like to say to them?
Well, I think we got here because of bad ideas and intolerance and the government management of our universities.
And they inundated us with people who have a different understanding than what the founders had.
And so many people now are reviewing and finding that there is a different strategy.
I think there's a big contest going on between the people that are in opposition to us.
And they are the nihilists.
They say, why are you guys waste so much time about honest money?
We don't even believe there is such a thing as honesty.
So there's the nihilists there.
Then there's the idealists that think that there's something called personal liberty and natural laws and it should be universal.
So I think it's moral and I think it's universal.
I think it's educational and politicians reflect those attitudes.
They're very important, but that's not where the answers are.
The answers are eventually spreading a message.
That's why what you're doing on a radio or TV program is changing people's mind.
And just stop and think for a minute.
Isn't it better to live in a society that's free and realize that with freedom, there's a lot more prosperity and peace?
And why do they give this up?
Because they've been hoodwinked into thinking that they're going to get peace and prosperity by listening to the dictators.
Well said.
And thank you, Dr. Paul.
God bless you.
And thank you for all the gifts that you've given this republic.
And it's been an honor to speak with you today.
Thank you.
Good to be with you.
Good to be with you too.
And that was Ron Paul, everybody.
And of course, check out his Ron Paul Liberty report on Rumble.
And then his website also, or his institute is ronpaulinstitute.org.
And I encourage you to check out both of those.
And, you know, what else can you say?
Ron Paul speaks the truth today, just as he has consistently decade after decade as he served many terms in the United States Congress.
I'm sure to the frustration of the neocons and all of the traitors that perhaps surrounded him from time to time in Washington, D.C. But Ron Paul held true to his convictions.
And so he serves as a great example for all of us.
Remember that our real strength as a nation comes from our moral consistency and our understanding of what I would call, well, he mentioned natural law and the morality of honest money versus the immorality of fake fiat currency, which is unfortunately what our current system operates on.
But there's much more to be learned from Ron Paul, so tune into his show and his channel.
And thank you for watching today.
I'm Mike Adams, the health ranger of Brighteon.com.
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Thank you all for watching today.
God bless you all.
God bless America.
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