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Aug. 27, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Randall Carlson and Mike Adams discuss the 3I-ATLAS space rock, comet impacts...
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Welcome to today's interview here on Brighton.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighton and the, well, the key architect behind our new AI project, Enoch, which a name that our guests will certainly appreciate.
And that's available free of charge.
It's a free AI engine trained on reality that is available at Brighton.ai.
So be sure to use that.
Our guest today is an extraordinary individual.
His name is Randall Carlson.
His website is Randall Carlson dot com.
And not only does he have a wealth of knowledge about ancient history and about the catastrophes that have shaped the history that led to humanity today.
We're not sure yet.
We're going to talk about that today.
So welcome to the show, Randall Carlson.
It's an honor, sir, to have you on today.
Well, thanks for having me, Mike.
I'm glad we finally got together since I was out there visiting you in person in your studio.
I exactly.
And I love the fact that you and your other friends were able to visit here.
We've made a lot of improvements since then and we're about to open up a brand new studio.
So you're always welcome, of course.
If you're in, if you're in the.
Austin neighborhood, you're welcome back.
I will be getting back out that way, no doubt.
Okay.
Well, I have friends in your neighborhood that I'll, I've got to keep up with.
And I assume you're a new friend now, so.
Well, absolutely.
I'm honored you would count me as a friend.
I'm certainly a fan of your work and a friend of your philosophy.
And I, I love your new podcast.
Let me mention it.
It's called Squaring the Circle.
It's available on YouTube, but also Rumble and HowTube.
And I'd really like to encourage people to give preference to HowTube and Rumble instead of YouTube, if you would.
Not that, you know, we're not anti YouTube, but let's support the platforms that are more aligned with our understanding of the world.
And that would be HowTube and Rumble.
You want to talk about your show briefly?
Well, it, you know, I was doing a show with my friends Russ and Kyle Allen and Bradley Young.
And I think Bradley, you met Bradley because he was on the trip with us, I believe, then when we stopped into your studio.
But we kind of, everyone got so busy it became impossible for us to and traveling it became impossible for us to record a regular once a week podcast, which is what we were doing with the Cosmographia podcast.
So Bradley and I are still going to keep the Cosmographia brand alive, but I wanted to do something where I didn't rely on the group.
So I am kind of doing this solo.
I built this studio that I'm in here.
This about, well, two summers ago, I started it.
The room that I am used to be a farm cabin, 150 years old.
It got added on to multiple times and we bought the house in the early nineties, but we didn't use this because it was in such rule shape.
Everything was just falling apart and we just used it for a big storeroom and I was looking for a place to.
to have a podcast studio, but I thought, hey, you know what?
I can save some money if we just use what the space we've already got.
Plus, it's easier enough for me to walk from the bedroom into the studio than it is to get in my car and drive somewhere.
Absolutely.
We ripped it all out.
It took us, uh, oh, I guess six months or so to do the whole thing.
I included a partial library here.
I've got all my own built-in furniture, you know, because my, my company, we, we, we were carpenters and builders.
And so we have a shop.
And it's next door, actually, at my brother Rowan, whom you just met.
So we've done all the furniture, all the built-ins here.
I'd scan my camera around so you could see some of it., but it's kind of a mess.
But, but, yeah, like what, what, what you see here, uh, right there, these are all built-ins.
All the shelves are built-ins.
Uh, the, the, the, the, what I'm sitting at here is built-in.
So, so, yeah, it was, it's been great.
Um, now the, the problem is, you know, getting out.
I want to, I, I'm in here and I don't want to, I don't want to come out.
But, um, but it's, uh, it's, uh, I'm having a lot of fun with it.
And, uh, but I'm still getting out.
We're, we're doing tours.
We, uh, did a tour, uh, about two months ago doing, uh, started in Salt Lake City, uh, and followed the route.
Have you ever heard of the Lake Bonneville?
No.
Okay, so you've heard of the Bonneville Salt Flats.
Yeah.
Okay, where they test high performance racing vehicles.
Yeah.
Because it's so perfectly flat.
Well, this is the area around and just to the west of Salt Lake City.
Okay.
And oh, right at the end of the last ice age, there was a gigantic lake that rapidly formed there.
Right where Salt Lake City is, it was over 1,000 feet deep.
You can actually see the shorelines traced on the flanks of the Wasatch Mountains.
Wow.
What was interesting about this was it rose up, like I said, to over 1,000 feet deep and it it breached a spillway on the northern rim of the lake.
Now, if you know the Great Basin region, there's no outlets to the ocean up there.
So everything, all the rivers that flow in, they just they pool up and then because of the arid climate there now, the lakes just they dry up.
If you, you've heard of Burning Man.
Yeah.
And all that stuff.
It's what's going on right now, I think.
Yeah, it's going on right now out there in Black Rock Desert.
Well, that was on the floor of another great late ice age lake called Lake Lahont.
There was a whole bunch of these really big lakes out there.
Well, they all sort of dried up at about the same time when the ice age ended and the climate shifted from being very temperate to being very temperate with lots of rainfall to being the dry desert that it is today.
But before this happened, the final act was this tremendous flood when Lake Bonneville rose up, got to about, I think, about 1,050 feet deep.
It was enough to spill to spill over a dam, a rock dam in the north very close to the border of Utah and Idaho.
And what's interesting about this dam was it was composed of about 350 feet of a softer sedimentary kind of an unconsolidated rock, and that was laying directly on top of a sill of really hard granite.
Well, when that water overtopped this, it rapidly ate down, like within a few months, it ate down completely through the softer rock, causing the lake level to drop 350 feet or so until it hit that granite sill, then it stopped and the spigots, the floodgate spigots terminated.
But during that period of time, you had thousands of cubic miles of water pouring through this breach at a rate of about 40 million cubic feet per second.
And it cut out this channel that is now occupied by the Snake River.
And so, roughly what, in what year did this, you know, what part of history did this happen?
Oh, okay.
So this would have been about thirteen thousand, fourteen thousand years ago.
Right at the end of the ice age because there was a lot of catastrophic things going on that jerked the earth out of the ice age, the glacial age into the nice, calm, warm, interglacial age that we're in now.
One of those events was this great Bonneville flood, and it poured north until it reached the Snake River Plain, and then it turned west.
and it carved this deep, spectacular channel with waterfalls and sheer cliffs and things.
And then it cut through Hells Canyon, which existed, but it deepened Hells Canyon and deepened it to the, it is now the deepest canyon in North America, deeper than the Grand Canyon.
Well, it makes you wonder what kind of Native American lore came out of observing that event.
Well, Native American lore did.
Okay, so that's a very interesting thing because a lot of the tribes around and the indigenous peoples had legends about great floods.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I've just been researching some of the origin stories, some of the oral traditions of the Paiutes and Shoshone tribes that occupied that area.
And they have, you know, they have the stories.
And what's interesting, there was back in 1940, there was a husband and wife archeology, a team of archaeologists.
They discovered a cave that would have been right on the shore line of Lake Lahontan, which is on the western side of Nevada.
Lake Bonneville is on the eastern side.
So they went into this cave and, uh, they found a cave and they discovered that there were several burials in there and they they excavated the burials.
There was one on top that was probably an intrusive burial, but under that they found a mummy.
They excavated the mummy.
They took it.
It was in a museum for a while.
They actually took it on a carnival show for a while.
And then the Native Americans there, the Paiutes, they had a tradition about this guy who was buried in a cave.
They called him the storyteller.
And so this was probably the storyteller that they had this oral tradition about.
But then what happened was that so the husband and wife had team estimated that the age of the storyteller was 1500 to 2000 years.
Okay, now this is back in 1940.
So there was a civil engineer by the name of John Reid who had a real fascination for archeology and geology and things like that.
He ended up with some of the remains of this mummy.
I believe it was John Reid who, anyway, so come fast forward to 1997, and for the first time they did radiocarbon dating on the mummified remains, and it turned out that this guy was almost 11,000 years old.
So, yeah, so, of course, the assumption is as well, there's no way that the modern tribes would have had a memory, an oral tradition that could have lasted almost eleven thousand years, although they begged to differ.
And they said that they were directly, that he was a direct ancestor of theirs.
Well, this was, this was disputed by mainstream archaeology.
And then finally, I think it was around 2004, if memory serves me correctly, some archaeologists wanted to do DNA testing on this mummy.
And at first the tribes were against it., but then they had contact, I don't know if you've ever heard of the Kennewick man who was found up there near the Tri Cities area of Washington.
It turned out to be over ten thousand years old.
And the geneticist that did DNA testing on those remains was from Denmark.
They didn't trust American scientists.
So they said, well, if you get this Danish geneticist to come and do the testing, we will allow DNA testing.
And so Now, was that dated by DNA mutation timelines or was that dated by carbon?
The date of ten thousand.
So, almost 11,000 years ago, that was radiocarbon.
Okay.
Now the question is, is there a genetic link between that mummy and the modern tribes?
That was the next question that had to be answered.
Okay.
Okay.
So they did the DNA testing and sure enough, there was a genetic link and they were able to find a culture called the Lovelock culture that was kind of an intermediary culture, which was interesting because now that really does provide evidence that gosh, there are peoples with oral traditions that maybe do go back ten, eleven, twelve thousand years.
And in fact, in their origin stories, they talk about their own ancestors living on the shores of this great lake and there being huge glaciers on the mountains.
So again, the lake had to have been pretty much gone by 11,000 years ago.
So it means that their stories go back that far.
Now what's interesting about this, Mike, is there's one of the other caves that was there nearby called the Lovelock Cave near the town of Lovelock, Nevada.
It was discovered in 1912, I think it was.
And by the same John Reid that I mentioned earlier, he was not able to get involved, I don't think, too much in the excavation, but it ended up there were two mining engineers who were able to go in there and it had a lot and a lot of bat guano in it.
And bat guano is rich in nitrogen, which is used in the manufacture of gunpowder.
These guys went in there and they excavated out about 250 or 270 tons of this bat guano and in the process discovered about sixty mummies.
Oh, right.
Wow.
One of the things they discovered that was interesting was sandals that were 15 inches long.
Now, if you figure out the, roughly, the stature of a man who would wear a shoe that size, he's a minimum of seven feet, maybe up to seven feet six inches.
But what's interesting about that is because in the tales of the indigenous peoples, they talk about their ancestors having to fight this race of giants back when this lake existed, right?
So, And these giants were cannibals.
And so they had a multi generational warfare with these giants, they finally vanquished them.
Okay, so now in the late twenties, I believe it was because there was a newspaper article that came out written by John Reed in 1931 where he's discussing, and it was in the Lovelock Review.
And I was able to actually go online and they have the archives there.
There, Nevada has the historical archives.
I was actually able to find the Lovelock Review, go back to 1931.
And I think it was the May edition of 1931 where John Reid reports on what this rancher was finding when he was, I believe, excavating for water.
Anyway, he dug up this giant that was over 7 feet 6 inches high.
And so that sort of like confirmed.
Well, and then I'm sure the Smithsonian said, send us the bones so we can bury it again.
Well, yeah, what happened?
That's what would have been my question.
What happened to the sixty mummies?
I would really like to know this.
Well, they're in the basement in the Smithsonian somewhere.
That's probably it.
Hidden away.
But the insight to be gleaned from this, I think, is that there's really a lot more to our past and our history than mainstream academia has been willing to admit.
Yeah.
And Randall, what I love about your work is that you are inquisitive about reality and about our history.
You are evidence-based in everything that you talk about, like you've done here.
You're citing the evidence for it.
And yet, you are very often overturning conventional archaeology or conventional anthropology, even in some cases.
And I think what our listeners know, and especially those who are fans of you, as I am, is that most of what we are told about our history, our origins, I wouldn't quite say it's a lie, but it's a watered-down comic book version that leaves out so many critical facts about what's happening.
And in fact, as a transition here, one of the ancient myths or parts of lore that happened, What are serpents in the sky, Randall?
Can you please explain that to me?
And then we'll transition to Three Eye Atlas.
Okay.
Okay, or serpents, well, it seems a universal symbol for things in the sky that could be anything from a shooting star up to a comet to an asteroid are often depicted as serpents.
And I don't know if we can do a share screen here, but I could pull up some interesting imagery here that I think we can if we enable it on our side.
I can't interview Randall Carlson without talking about comets, you know.
Well, yeah, comets has been kind of an obsession of mine for a pretty good while, really since I was a kid.
That was one of the advantages of growing up in a rural environment.
I was able to go out at night.
And you probably did too, right?
Yeah, yeah, you can see the stars.
You can see the stars.
Yes.
And yeah, I was pretty much obsessed with astronomy as a kid.
So I just grew up, I was kind of digressed off, you know, during because I came of age during the late sixties and the seventies.
So, you know, I kind of got into what was going on culturally and all that.
But when I got to my mid to late twenty, I kind of found my way back again to those interests of my youth, which was, you know, the outdoors, geology, where I grew up.
in Minnesota, northwest of the Twin Cities, was right on the edge of the Great Glacier, the Great Ice Sheets.
And so the evidence, the landscape evidence was everywhere about.
And so I always had this feeling, this instinctive feeling that there was a story there.
When I looked at the hills, it was like there was, it wasn't just a hill or the lake wasn't just a lake.
There was something there.
And then of course, I remember one day my dad showing me a book and telling me, you know, where we live, there used to be big glaciers.
I was probably seven or eight years old, you know?
And I was like, wow, that's pretty wild.
I want to know more about that.
So then I began to learn about glaciers and what I love about what you do is you zoom out and look at the terrain.
And I think a lot of modern day geologists, they're they're they're too zoomed in.
they're they're not looking at the big picture.
When you look at the big picture, like, wait a second, that's a giant impact crater, you know, or wait a second.
You're exactly right.
Like archeologists, geologists are also very focused on a specific they might spend years studying one strata.
Right.
Just like archeologists do sort of the same thing.
But you're right, you have to zoom out, get the big perspective, and then zoom in on the details, because otherwise you don't have a context to see how the details fit together.
Well, exactly right.
And, and, you know, there are so many interesting, mysterious features.
Like, I forgot where it is in the continental United States, but there's a field, I remember you, I think you posted about it, where there appear to be impacts from like a side angle, a group of impacts that some of them became small ponds or whatever.
Where, where is that located?
Well, that's the southeastern coastal plain of the United States.
They're called the Carolina Bays that you're right.
That's it, Terry.
Yes.
Carolina Bays, there are thousands and thousands of them.
They kind of they start pretty much in Virginia.
They get really concentrated in North and South Carolina and they stretch into Georgia.
And they're very controversial.
There are those who are convinced that they're somehow the result of purely terrestrial phenomena, others who believe that they are caused by some kind of a celestial phenomenon, some type of impact.
I tend to think that they might be secondary type impacts.
Yes.
Or something along the lines of the Tunguska event of nineteen oh eight on steroids, where you've got multiple.
An air burst followed by multiple, yes, multiple air bursts.
You're getting the picture exactly.
Okay, that makes sense, yes?
Yeah.
Because that would explain the trajectory.
Yes, coming in from the Northwest, because what's interesting, we could do a whole podcast on the Carolina Bays, Mike.
I'd love that.
What I'm going to suggest, because we're not going to have a lot of time to only skirt around the edges of some of this really cool stuff, I'd love to come back on where we can kind of dive into some of this a little deeper, because you're asking me some questions that I could, like, we could, I just recorded a podcast on, uh, three i, uh, the Atlas.
Atlas, thank you.
Thank you.
And I included talking about Borisov, which was one of the other deep space objects that came through the solar system.
And if I can say it right, Oumuamua.
Oumuamua, yeah, that's it.
I'm pretty sure.
Cigar shaped, yeah.
Very interesting.
You know, raises questions, are we visited by those things far more frequently than we knew about until we just started discovering them?
I don't know the answer to that.
Well, that's what I want.
I really want to talk about that with you right now, if that's okay, is the DIY Atlas.
And I want to set the stage for that because we see a lot of really sort of comic book sensationalized headlines in the media about this, like, you know, aliens will be here by Christmas or whatever.
And it's like, that's not what the paper says.
In fact, I believe I brought up the paper here or I will bring up the paper.
Here it is.
If you guys can show my screen, here's the paper from Avi Loeb.
This is, you know, Harvard.
Yeah.
For the said paper.
Right.
And if you go through the paper, he's actually very reserved about his what he's saying.
Like, this is almost an interesting exercise to consider the possibility.
But he does point out some really interesting things here.
For example, the orbital plane.
is within, I think, five degrees of the plane of the other planets.
That's it.
The ecliptic.
The ecliptic is defined as the line swept out by the Earth moving around the Sun.
Imagine a big rubber band connecting the center of the Earth to the center of the Sun as it's going around, that's the plane of the ecliptic.
All the planets in the solar system are very close to that plane.
None of them are exactly in it, but they're all very close.
Interestingly, that five degree angle between, let's say, this is the plane of the ecliptic and this is the angle, that five degree angle is almost the same as the angle of the moon.
Not necessarily means anything, but yeah.
So go back to that list.
That's a really interesting list you have there.
Right.
So not only this, but there's something unusual about the imaging of it where it seems to be glowing to a luminosity that would be larger than expected if it were merely a comet right And also it's glowing in front or between itself and the sun rather than glow rather than a typical comet tail.
What is the significance of that in your view?
Well, I think that it's probably a vapor plasma that's around it.
I can't think of anything else that would make sense.
Now, typically in a comet, you've got a plasma tail, which is called the tail.
And if the planet, I mean, if the comet is disintegrating at all or spawning off dust and particulate material, that forms the trail.
So oftentimes you have to distinguish between the trail and the tail.
The tail is a gas, it's a plasma tail.
And it's, it's always going to be pointed away from the sun because the solar wind will sweep that ion tail out.
So if you look at a picture of a comet, you see the tail.
If you were to draw a line along the axis of the tail and project it in front of the comet, it's going to point towards the sun.
Does that make sense?
Yes.
Yeah.
But in this case, with with uh three-eye atlas, it is not doing that.
It's not acting like a normal comet with a normal tail.
It's got this diffused appear gaseous envelope around it.
Okay.
And I don't know what that would be other than possibly just a plasma cloud.
Now, uh, I'm going to anger some Christians with this, but uh, I love the fact of what you just said because if you go to Revelation chapter 19 and verse 15, and this is talking about something.
something coming out of the sky.
His eyes, this is verse 12, his eyes were like a flame of fire and on his head were many crowns, which describes a comet, by the way.
And then verse 15, now out of his mouth goes a sharp sword that with it he should strike the nations.
Now, I've read, you know, the comets of God and I've talked about this in great detail.
I think that what John of Patmos saw was a giant comet coming out of the sky, actually.
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
I totally think that's a very plausible explanation.
Now think about this.
In fact, I can even, when I share a screen, I can even show you many, many cases wherees where comets with their tails were depicted as swords.
Yes.
Heavenly swords.
Now imagine that the comet passes between the Earth and the Sun.
Okay, well, again, because the tail is streaming away from the Sun, right?
If the comet passes between the Earth and the Sun, at some point that tail is going to intersect the planet itself.
And that's out of its mouth, it strikes the nations.
Yes, and you see this thing in the sky before it comes in between the Earth and the Sun, and what you might see there is, it looks like a sword.
Most of the time, what will happen is that the comet nucleus, the comet will go behind the sun called perihelion.
But as it's coming up towards the sun, you know, maybe it was kind of not quite accurate to say the earth, the comet's between the earth and the sun, because in almost all cases it's going to be a perihelion passage.
It'll go behind the sun.
But before it gets there and when it comes back out, essentially that tail is pointed directly, almost directly at the earth.
Right, right.
And there's something else that Avid Loeb mentioned that I'd like your reaction on here.
that this roughly, I think it's estimated to be a 20 km diameter space rock could engage in something called a reverse Oberth maneuver, which is a, I believe it's a reverse slingshot effect, which would, which actually slows the relative velocity of the object.
Can you speak about that if that were to occur, that would be, that would put it a 10 on the scale of extraterrestrial.
Yeah.
So the Oberth maneuver is fairly well known.
I was familiar with it, although I'm not going to say that I'm an expert in the astrophysics of the Oberth maneuver.
The idea of a reverse Oberth maneuver, to me though is kind of a new concept.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around exactly how that works.
But yes, what will happen is the gravitational field of a primary body can accelerate the secondary, especially if it passes, you know, perihelion passage would be the sun, but like perigee passage would be near the earth.
Any time it, or I guess you could say a perijovian passage would be near the moon, near the near Jupiter, but it can actually accelerate the and that darn thing, Atlas is moving at about sixty kilometers per second.
So it's already moving way faster than a comet.
Comets move fast, but I mean, 60 km/h.
I could work out the math really quick, but that works out to be something like 150,000 km/h.
Yeah, you wouldn't want to intersect with that.
No, for sure.
Now, I'm very interested in learning more about this reverse Oberth maneuver.
I think what Avi Loeb said about this was the trajectory was so unusual and so, shall we say, intelligently designed, right?
So this trajectory, which I think it not only, I mean, it passes very close to, I think, Venus, Mars, and Jupiter also.
Yes.
But not necessarily Earth, unless it engages in some kind of breaking maneuver, in which case it could head straight towards Earth out of the Sun, and then we would not be able to see it until the very last minute.
That was one of his concerns in the paper.
What do you say?
Well, that's remindful in a way of the Tunguska object of 1908, because it made its perihelion passage and came from around the Sun that morning of June.
the 30th and we people couldn't see it till the last till the last minute because it was coming you to look at where it was coming from its radiant point in the sky, you had to be looking towards the sun.
Right.
Which, like, World War two, fighter pilots knew that if you approach with the sun behind you, the enemy can't see you.
Right.
Yeah.
That makes perfect sense.
Yeah.
And now, if the, if, like, Tunguska, in my opinion, was probably a member of the torrid meteor stream, uh, for two reasons.
One, the peak of the summertime torrids is right around june 30.
Secondly, the radiant point in the sky where an object where the torrid stream appears to be emanating is pretty much very, very close.ose to where the Tunguska object, they've been able to pinpoint that radiant.
And it's very close to the radiant of the torrid stream, which is relatively diffuse because it's an old stream.
But the torrid stream, the Earth has probably had multiple encounters with the debris in the torrid stream.
And the Tunguska object was, I believe, estimated to be much smaller than this current 3D atlas.
But also as a joke, by the way, Tunguska proved that reindeer can fly because it blasted them into the air when it went out.
It killed like a hundred thousand reindeer.
It killed a bunch of reindeer.
So Santa Claus actually, the myth is true, reindeer can fly.
But anyway, that's an interesting okay.
Yeah.
I generally was thinking that the reindeer pretty much got incinerated.
Yeah, probably.
It was probably a little of both.
Interestingly, no, it's not, it's not known that if any people died.
Now several died later from injuries.
But it probably no one that we know of historically died at the event because it was quite it was very remote.
I mean, it was right on the edge of the the the the Triega forest in the tundra.
So if it had been any further north, we wouldn't have had the tree fall to to even know that it happened because a forest exploded over the tundra.
And as I recall, it took I mean, they they had it took months to get to the site to even get to measure things.
And somebody needs to make a movie or a documentary about that journey to discover that because it was one of the truly heroic scientific enterprises of the twentieth century was to get to that site.
The first the first attempt to get to the site when.
When Leonid Kulik, or Kulik, I'm not sure how to pronounce it, made contact with some of the native Tengusi people there at, I think, Vanavara, Vanavara, the closest town.
He had very, a lot of trouble getting a guide to take him up there because everyone was very superstitious about it and believed that it literally was a descent of their fire god Agdi to the earth to punish them for their transgressions.
And so, but you see, I'm sorry, but that's another story of God coming out of the sky.
Yes, yes.
Which is in Revelation.
Which is in Revelation.
It's in there's a version of this this in almost every religious collection.
Yes.
And I am a student of the Bible, I'll tell, I'll say that, although I come to it from a kind of a scientific standpoint, which to me actually kind of almost enriches the value of it, because it's not just a collection of superstitions and just, you know, it goes way beyond obviously there's a moral context to it.
But when I go into it and start reading like the book of Revelations, always one of my very favorite biblical books, is that it is very symbolic.
And you just said that it's a you almost a universal tradition that things from the sky will affect things down here on below.
And one of the interesting things that correlates with some modern astronomical work, particularly that coming from a group of astronomers and astrophysicists out of Great Britain, is that from time to time, Earth goes through what they, a period they call a clustered bombardment or a bombardment epoch.
And think of it this way, you know, twice each year, the Earth crosses the torid meteor stream.
And I'll use that as an example.
The summertime torids, they're coming from the direction of the sun, but the fall time torrids, they're moving towards the sun.
So if you look upstream during the summer time torrids, you're looking towards the sun.
If you look upstream during the fall torrids, you're looking out towards the constellation of Taurus.
That's where it gets its name, Taurus the bull.
And in fact, the radiant point is almost targeted right on the Pleiades, which forms the shoulder of the bull.
So there's a lot of very interesting bull symbolism in history that, to me, directly correlates.
If you look at the one particularly rich tradition is that of the Mithraic tradition that shows Mithras, the sky god, battling this great bull.
And what is he doing?
He's stabbing the bull in the shoulder.
Blood is pouring out.
And it just so happens that if you look at the classical depictions of Taurus, the Pleiades is right in the shoulder where Mithras is stabbing with his sword into this, the bull of heaven.
there's some very rich traditions that have been inherited that people have you know mainstream academia has overlooked the potency of some of these traditions.
I completely agree.
And the sky provides a relatively consistent canvas upon which many of these traditions can be handed down because everyone looking at the sky generation after generation sees essentially the same thing.
The sky.
Right.
And now you're going to be fascinated by this.
this, I didn't know I was going to bring this up, but I actually took the, you know, the seven trumpets in the book of Revelation.
I took the language from the, you know, from the Bible, the translated Bible, and I fed it into AI and asked AI to depict the images of the trumpets.
And I lined up the trumpets with the bowls as they, as they align.
And I want to show you this, Randall, the first trumpet.
I want to see it.
Yeah.
Here's the first, the first trumpet image, which burns up a third of the forest.
Oh my goodness.
And I did not add anything to this prompt.
So these are directly prompted from the Bible to AI.
Okay.
And and then the second trumpet and here you know here's the the second angel sounded and a great mountain a burning mountain was thrown into the sea okay so here's the image from the second trumpet good lord yeah and i went on and i did all of them so third trumpet which strikes the land of rivers and waters.
Here's that.
And this also resembles a lot of like 16th century art that shows that depicts comets with faces, you know, smiley faces and things like actually I show this here it is.
Here's this is 16th century art showing down below the chaos of civilization, the burning cities as the comet arrives.
Yeah, I've got that exact image in one of my presentations.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, showing that, yeah, here's the comet passing in the sky and you see this great fire down here below.
Yeah.
And anyway, I'll skip through these, but for the fifth trumpumpet shows like the earth opens up and there's a giant furnace and smoke is rising out, right?
So there's that.
The sixth trumpet talks about a lot more abstract concepts with, you know, with the lions and the beasts and so on.
And then the seventh trumpet is like, ah, it's all ending.
Wow.
There goes the Euphrates River and everything else, although it's showing the continental US here.
But this is what AI came up with.
And that's like, I guess, you know, Christ coming out of the sky or the angels, the angels rejoicing in the seventh trumpet.
Right.
So it's very interesting to combine Scripture with AI interpretations of images, knowing what we know, what you and I know about interstellar phenomena.
Well, I do.
My research has suggested to me that the overwhelming number one candidate for what happened, say, between twelve, around twelve thousand, thirteen thousand years ago is that there was a multi impact event.
And so, in fact, one of the things that my most recent research is, is trying to identify where these impacts would have occurred.
And a lot of them, I believe, occurred over the Great Ice Sheet.
the great ice sheets that covered northern North America and northwestern Europe.
And so one of the things, like I mentioned earlier, we started this conversation about talking to rapid rise and catastrophic flooding of Lake Bonneville.
Well, in order to have a lake on the scale of Lake Bonneville or Lake Mahontan or any of those other lakes out there in those western deserts, you would have had to have an enormous amount of rainfall.
And the rainfall had to far exceed the atmosphere to evaporate that water.
And I've also documented enormous evidence for enormous rainfall in the Mojave Desert, in the Sonora Desert, in the Southern Appalachians of the United States, in North Carolina, Virginia,
Tennessee, and so on, in there that could landforms and deposits that could only have been produced by extreme flooding, gigantic deposits of boulders and things that could not be explained as the handiwork of the modern creeks and streams that are in many of those hollows.
I think we can say pretty conservatively that there is evidence of extreme rainfall in areas that were not glaciated.
And then in the areas adjacent to the glaciers, we have these extreme discharges that have been measured in hundreds of millions of cubic feet per second.
And I'd love to come back on the show and talk to you about that, show you some of the drone footage I've got, some of the aerial footage, some of the ground footage.
The new I'm discovering a lot of interesting stuff with lidar.
And yeah, so it appears that there were several episodes of rapid, catastrophic melting of the great ice sheets that would have required energy inputs far beyond anything that's typically available.
I would love to have you on to talk about that in detail.
Of course, because I've followed a lot of your work, I have questions along those lines.
Maybe you can address a little bit here.
One of my questions is, of course, I'm familiar with the fact that there could have been, you know, a large impact unleashing energy on the ice sheets themselves, which would have caused a lot of melt that then flowed and broke through, you know, geological dams, etc.
But are you also saying that there could have been a lot of...
Yes.
That is what would happen.
And I've concluded that just from reading some of the studies about what would hypothetically happen with an oceanic impact.
Okay.
So in an oceanic impact, you're course, you're going to have what's called a transient crater that forms, and that's going to cause huge tsunamis to radiate outward from the point of impact.
The second thing you're going to have is gigantic volumes of water instantly vaporized and injected into the atmosphere that is going to start circulating around.
And when it rains out, it can take anywhere from days to weeks to rain out.
Wow.
And that is going to cause an extraordinary amount of secondary flooding.
So you will have the tsunami effects on the coastlines of any ocean that you would have an impact on.
And then you're going to have the secondary effects of the rain out.
And then would you also have, like, long term water vapor dimming of the sun and shutting down photosynthesis for a while?
Well, let's, yeah, you probably would.
Now, we know from the eruption of the volcano Hunga Tonga Hunga a few years ago that some of that water vapor is still lingering in the atmosphere.
That's right.
You know?
So it would have taken probably even a month or more for all of that, for the bulk of the rain out to occur.
Interestingly, going back to the Bible and the Noachite flood, that's exactly, you know, you found the waters of the, the fountains of the great deep are broken up, which I find to be very apt metaphor for a bolide impact into the ocean.
The waters prevailed exceedingly.
And most of the, like, if we refer to some of the, the Christian modern Christian research, some Some of which I think is very valid.
It looks like the ark was lifted up and carried to the north.
And then it describes how the waters drained off the earth once that had occurred.
And all of that seems to fit a tsunami very nicely.
And then there is the discovery of the Berkeley crater in the Indian Ocean that I think dates now, I think the dating puts it back almost to the ice age.
And that impact would have caused extreme tsunamis that would have washed ashore in Australia, in Madagascar, in the eastern coastlines of Africa.
And that tsunami would have moved north up into the Arabian Sea, which would have acted like a funnel, and then that would have gone into the Persian Gulf.
And by the time, if it was during the late ice age, the Persian Gulf was above sea level, right?
But it's also a very low inclined plain close to sea level.
So if you had a tsunami moving in that could have been hundreds of feet high, that could have washed way north.
Oh, wow.
So like tens of kilometres inland.
Oh, probably even several hundred kilometres.
If you look at the topography.
And there is evidence there, that Berkeley crater.
Now, I did an interview with Dallas Abbott about a month ago, who's one of the lead scientists who have been studying the effects of this Burkle crater.
I think she was actually the one, well, it's not named, it's Burkle, I think, who discovered it, but she did a lot of the research.
And they took deep sea cores and dredgings and they found microspheric and impact proxies that seem to be associated with this crater that's almost two miles below the ocean.
And that would suggest that there was an impact into the Indian Ocean.
Imagine the density and velocity of an object that can penetrate two miles of water and still leave a crater at the bottom.
Yes.
I mean, the amount of energy unleashed in that is, this is actually a critical point.
In a lot of your work, Randall, you're describing evidence of events that clearly have to be exo-terrestrial type of energy sources.
You know, I mean, and what is one half mass times velocity squared is...
is kinetic energy and it's that velocity squared that's what gets you And when you're starting out at 20 miles per second, right, right.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, that's going to be a tremendous amount of kinetic energy injected into the system.
Well, like look at the Levy, what was it, Levy 9 comets that broke up and hit, was that in the nineties, I believe?
It was 1994, right?
July of 1994, Schumacher, Levy 9, 21 pieces.
Wow.
Yeah.
Started out as a single object, but it moved so close to Jupiter that Jupiter's gravity field essentially ripped it apart.
And then we got a sequence of impacts.
Yeah.
That blew everyone away.
I remember that just one of the clouds was larger than the Earth.
Oh yeah.
Probably any one of those objects hitting the Earth would have eliminated civilization as we know it.
Whoa.
Whoa.
And no, no, nobody had even ever imagined or predicted such a thing.
Yeah.
And they saw it.
Well, and then that, that had to have changed the understanding of the effects.
And of course, when something like this current comet, the three i Atlas, we don't know the composition or density of it.
So we can only guess at what it's now, it's not on a trajectory to impact Earth, just to be clear.
But if it were to impact Earth, we there's only a range we would have to take a guess at what it would do and also where it hits.
Like you said, an oceanic impact would have very different results than a continental impact.
Well, an object the size of Atlas would totally, it would be a mass extinction level event.
We humans would not survive.
The way we would have to survive would we would have to get off planet, literally.
And this is one reason I don't see, and the thing is, one of the other things that's unusual about that is its size, because when you look at the spectrum of objects out there, obviously there are many, many more Tunguska objects than there would be one mile objects or six mile objects or one the size of Atlas, it's an exponential curve.
Actually, it would be like a logarithmic declining curve, so that it's a it's highly unusual to find an object that big.
Yeah.
You know, and moving that fast.
I mean, it it has a lot of unusual features to it that we can't explain yet.
Right.
But yeah, if it hit the earth, we're we're gone.
We're gone.
It would probably sterilize the earth.
If it were well, that would also make a lot of a book of Revelation come true in the shaking and the flattening of all the mountains, by the way.
Yeah.
You know, but if an extraterrestrial race wanted to fly through our solar system on like an intel gathering mission, wouldn't it make perfect sense to find a giant rock, like hollow out a part of it, put, you know, put your alien command center base inside the rock?
It's like a perfect disguise.
Yeah, that's actually been proposed years ago, you know, hollowing out an asteroid.
Yeah.
And, you know, the trajectory, if you were going to do a recon survey of the solar system here, you know, you want to look at some of the, you know, look at the three interplanets that could be mostly suitable for colonization or for the for maintenance of life, it's going to be Mars, Earth and Venus.
Those are probably going to be the ones you really want to look into if you're looking at potentially, I mean, you know, look at Mars.
I mean, we know that there's a whole untold story about the history of Mars because we know there were oceans on Mars for Christ's sake.
Yeah.
I mean, huge amounts of water, gigantic floods.
Where, how do we explain that?
Venus, on the other hand, you know, could not sustain life as we know it, but in the far distant future, it possibly could because one thing that's happening is the solar system appears to be expanding itself, like Earth moving away from the Sun, Venus moving away from the Sun.
There's that sweet spot, the Goldilocks zone that Earth inhabits right now.
But at some point in the far, far future, Venus will probably be in that Goldilocks zone.
Perhaps Mars was in the Goldilocks zone once upon a time when it was closer to the Sun.
This is of course purely speculation, but some very smart people have speculated that that could be an explanation here.
So, yeah, it's interesting that it's going to make a very, it's going to, you know, in cosmic terms, it's going to make a close flyby of Mars, Earth, and Venus.
So what do you, what do you make?
Well, I thought it's closer to Jupiter.
I thought that it doesn't really get that close to Earth.
No, it doesn't.
But again, if you're doing a reconnaissance, yeah, it comes close to Jupiter.
Yeah.
That's where I think, isn't it, that we're speculating that the Oberth effect, is that right?
I think they were talking about the Oberth effect in the context of the Sun.
God, okay.
But I know that it approaches within, I think, like 0.4 astronomical units of Jupiter or even 0.2 on one of the planets that you just mentioned.
So that's a pretty close flyby.
But think about it, if you're an extraterrestrial civilization and you're sending this into our solar system, wouldn't you already know that, you know, all the broadcasts are coming from one planet?
It's the third planet.
It's Earth.
Yeah, yeah.
Don't you think they would already know a lot about Earth and maybe they're, or what do you think the motivations are?
Like, let's set up a base on Mars.
What is it?
Now we're getting into a speculative realm and I have not really entertained that yet.
I haven't thought it through to that level yet because I'm sort of convinced it's some kind of a weirdird comet, but okay, it could be.
But it was, and certainly it's fun and valuable to speculate.
You know, there was the old, what, 1926 when William R. Davis published the value of outrageous hypotheses because he was scoring all of his colleagues because they were just too restricted and straightjacketed in their thinking.
And he was getting on their case and said, look, there's there's a place for speculating and, you know, hypothesizing that we would call outrageous.
And I I've been a believer in that.
I believe that, you know, ultimately at the end., you have to look at what the hard data says.
But before you get to that hard data, you know, you've got to be able to be free to speculate.
That's why I get so irritated at the archaeological establishment when they attack people like Graham Hancock and Robert Schoch and others who are willing, who are looking at things outside the box.
And, you know, well, Graham Hancock is a pseudo archaeologist.
No, but he is a very highly accomplished scholar who has done, been to, you know, to what, a hundred different countries researching over thirty five years.
And, you know, in his books, he's got hundreds and hundreds of references.
And whether he's right or wrong about certain details, to me, it's just an insult to the scientific method to just wave your hand and dismiss that.
Oh, he's a pseudo-archaeologist.
Get out of here.
He believes in Atlantis.
Well, look, the whole history of all the sciences in Western civilization has been a history of cognitive tribalism, right?
Yeah.
They just latch on to, and then they suffer from obedience disorder, where they're just obedient to the narrative.
I love Graham Hancock, and your work, because you're willing to challenge the dogma.
And it needs to be challenged, especially when it comes to archaeology, because...
Because there are so many artifacts that don't fit the narrative that we've been told.
It's right.
I don't even know why it's controversial.
I know.
And think about it this way, Mike.
If the dating of the skeletal remains of modern humans is correct, and this could even be conservative, we don't know how long we modern humans have been around, but it looks like 150 to 200,000 years.
And so you have to think at 200,000 years at 25 years per generation, that's about 7,000 generations of humans.
And then you think about what we've accomplished since the scientific enlightenment and the industrial revolution and consider the vast mass of humanity, how modern humans lived prior to the scientific enlightenment and the industrial revolution, and how quickly we have arisen out of feudalism, out of subsistence farming up to the space age.
And I like to point out, you know, when I was born, 1951, we had no presence in space.
I mean, it was another, what, six years before Sputnik, the Soviet Union sent up Sputnik.
And now, of course, here we're sitting, you're in Texas, I'm in Georgia, we're talking to each other real time because we have satellites up there, the communication satellites, right?
I can still remember, I have vague memories of being maybe three, four years old.
I was three years old when my dad brought home our first ever television set.
I remember the excitement around the unboxing and taking out the new television and so on.
When my grandfather was born, 1895, we didn't even have radios.
Wow.
You know, farmers were still plowing fields behind oxen and mules.
You know, trains were coming along, but nobody had cars.
So, I mean, that's, you know, three generations., you go back four generations.
My great grandfather would have been born right after the Civil War.
His father would have been born pre Civil War.
So just in those short span of time, look how far we've progressed.
Now here's the thought experiment.
Imagine how easily three hundred years of progress could get lost in the noise of 100,000 or 200,000 years of history and global change.
Yes.
And I think it goes way beyond that.
I think we have to be willing to entertain the idea that there have been advanced civilizations in the past.
Also that they didn't necessarily.
look like us.
You know, like modern archaeologists tend, I think they're looking in a mirror.
They're looking for something that, that, what would our civilization look like ten thousand years from now?
Well, even without catastrophes intervening, there wouldn't be much to find.
I mean, even our urban areas, if they're not being maintained, they're going to be rubble in ten thousand years.
Forests are going to be growing up over them.
Unless you had ground penetrating radar, you're excavating, you're not even going to know.
And I'll tell you, a lot of the carbonate rocks are almost indistinguishable from concrete.
The concrete that we use to build our urban areas is the rubble left over from gigantic catastrophes and gigantic deluvial floods.
That's right.
So I mean, we're literally taking the wreckage of former global catastrophes and then we're using that wreckage and rubble to rebuild civilization.
Yeah, you made an excellent point.
But I jokingly say that this we are building the plastic layer of sediment all over the world.
And I call it the plastic scene epoch.
So I feel like future archaeologists are going to say, oh, we found the plastic layer.
What is that?
Oh, those are AOL CD-ROMs that were mailed out by the billions in the 1990s, right?
AOL.
Yeah, remember that?
Everybody had like a thousand hours free.
So anyway, we're the plastic scene era, but I totally agree with what you said, that previous advanced civilizations, which may have destroyed themselves or may have been destroyed by outside forces or fallen for a variety of reasons from climate to even to economics to famine, whatever, they may look totally different from us.
And I absolutely accept that.
I think that's true.
Well, you know, what I see, what I would think now is, and my thought goes like this, if you're going to build a civilization, you have to have some source of energy.
You have to have, you know, an economically viable source of energy.
Now in our case it's fossil fuels.
Is that the only energy source that could be used to build a civilization?
And the answer is unequivocally no.
But what would be another alternative that would be an obvious choice to me would be plasma energy.
And I think that we could make a strong case that plasma and the control of plasma was the key to an alternate solution.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
And we could talk about that if I come back to.
I'd love to.
Yeah.
Before we wrap this up today, I want to give you a chance to talk about your podcast called Squaring the Circle.
And I want to encourage our viewers to visit your website, randallcarlson dot com dot But tell us about the kinds of things that you discuss on your podcast, please.
Well, it's broad based.
I don't really put any limits on it.
I mean, obviously, I kind of emphasize questions like, you know, global change, ancient civilizations, but I try to look at a lot of different things through that lens, you know, like what's going on in the world now?
And how should we understand what's going on in the world now through this larger lens of history because I believe that the past is going to be the key to our future.
We have to understand, you know, these things.
It's I use the metaphor that if if you were if you were born in April and you or you you had your memory erased and it's April and summer's you're in the Northern Hemisphere summer's coming on you have no memory of winter at all.
Okay, so now you have no way, no conceptual framework to thinking about winter.
How do you how do you prepare?
How do you adapt for this change in the world that's going to come on at some point?
Now imagine that you've got somebody there who.
And then there's someone there who has not had their memory erased and he comes along and we'll say, well, hey, you know, you're enjoying the summer and the warmth and everything's growing, but there's this thing called winter.
And it's going to get very cold and when it does, the crops are not going to be growing.
If you don't put away some food for the winter, you're going to starve to death.
If you don't plant to have some kind of energy source that can keep you warm, you're going to freeze to death.
Get out of here.
We've never seen that.
So it never happens.
But that to me is like, okay, that guy who comes in and talks about the future, there's going to be the people who believe him, he now becomes a prophet.
And then eventually summer is over, winter comes on, and he's proven correct.
And so future generations, oh, this guy was a prophet.
But we're kind of in that, I think in an analogous situation.
We've kind of forgotten like, how does Graham Hancock put it?
Our memory, we've, God, I forget how he puts it.
But yeah, we're a, we're a, we're a civilization in amnesia.
That's how he puts it.
Oh, yeah.
And very well stated.
Yeah.
And I think, you know, when you were, we were looking at the book of Revelations earlier, I think that is a.
way of symbolically depicting events that have actually happened that our ancestors witnessed, experienced and survived.
Absolutely.
And I think it's also important to realize that ancient people, I mean not even ancient, just a couple of thousand years ago, they did not know the Earth was a sphere.
They didn't have satellite imagery.
And they tried to describe what they were experiencing in the best language they could.
And they didn't know that, oh, there's a whole other place called China or India or Mesoamerica, South America.
They're like, the whole world's flooded, because wherever I look, it's flooded., you know?
Right.
In some of the field trips that I take people out in eastern Washington, which is where some of the most massive floods that have ever been documented in the history of the earth occurred in southeastern Washington and relatively recent, like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen thousand years ago, there's a place called Stepdo Butte.
It's surrounded by the rolling Palouse, which is now all agricultural land.
You go up on the top of it, and I think it's about 1200 feet above the surrounding landscape.
Well, for a short while during the deglaciation when all this meltwater was coming, that whole landscape was chang submerged under flowing water.
Wow.
It was probably 100 to 200 feet deep.
But when the flood waters finally subsided, if you're a survivor on top of this, this mountain, this 1200 feet volcanic cone that sticks up, your entire world prior to this flood is now gone.
I mean, you're looking out on a sea of mud as far as the eye can see in both directions.
So, wow.
From that perspective.
Right.
It's important to look at the world from that ancient viewpoint.
Yes.
The whole world was submerged by supernatural water up to the tops of the highest mountains.
That's kind of the interpretation to say that the whole world, there was a global flood.
Well, the thing of it is, Mike, is that we can now document that there have been these gigantic deluvial events on every continent that we know of, including Antarctica.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And these, some of these floods, like I said, measured in hundreds of millions of cubic feet per second.
Just one of the flows that I take people to and we explore out in eastern Washington.
That's exceptional.
That would be 300, 350 million cubic feet per second.
Now that's if you took., think about this, to try to get wrapped your head, What does that mean?
Think of every single river on Earth.
Think of all the great rivers North America, South America, Eurasia, Africa, every river, every creek, every stream, all flowing together in one flow.
That would be one hell of a flow, wouldn't it?
But you're still not there.
You've got to multiply that by ten, by twenty times to get the peak discharges of some of these floods that we now can document that unequivocally, they happened.
Extraordinary.
Randall, we've got to wrap this up for today, but we've only scratched the surface.
I will definitely invite you back.
I want to talk more about impacts, comet impacts, and some of just dig deeper into some of the topics you've raised here today.
I want to give out your website again, randallcarlson.com, encourage people to check out what you've got there because this is mind expanding information.
And Randall, I just want to say thank you for all that you do.
Keep doing it.
And you are turning on the light bulbs in the minds of many, many people, including myself, helping me ask deeper questions about who we are, how we got here, and the nature of the universe.
So thank you.
Thank you, Mike.
And yeah, I've been a fan of yours probably before you were a fan of me.
Oh, I didn't know that.
I mean, oh yeah, I mean, I was reading your stuff years ago.
You know, I was a big follower of the Health Ranger.
Oh, wow.
That's, yeah.
That's awesome to know.
Thank you for that.
And right now I'm talking about the rise of AI and why governments are going to need to achieve massive human extermination.
So it's not a, it's not a pretty picture at the moment.
No, that's something we could talk about.
I mean, where Yeah.
How do we, how do we influence the trajectory of civilization from hereafter.
That's what you and I are both trying to do that in a prohuman point of view.
And then there are all these forces that have been unleashed.
And I also want to talk to you about natural intelligence.
I want to talk to you about the emergent property of organized intelligence that emerges from natural events even without biological neurology.
Because that's true.
It's happening.
And some of that's starting to impact AI also.
So we've got a lot to talk about next time.
And I just want to thank you for your time today.
It's been really interesting.
I've enjoyed it every second.
And I'm, you know, pretty much with doing this remote here.
It's pretty, that's, hey, that's why I've got this studio here for doing exactly what we're doing right now.
Well, very cool.
Next time we'll set up like 90 minutes or two hours or something like that, or we'll dig deeper.
Yeah.
And I have, and I have some really great stuff to share visually.
Oh, I know you do.
Yeah.
We'll set that up for next time.
And in the meantime, have a great rest of your day there, Randall.
And thank you for joining me today.
It's been really wonderful.
Thanks for having me, Mike.
Looks forward to the next one.
Okay.
Thank you, Randall.
Well, there he goes, everybody.
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