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Aug. 25, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Mike Adams and Aaron Day: AI’s Dual Edge - Technocracy, CBDCs, and the Fight for Privacy...
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Okay, here we go.
Mike Adams here.
We're back on The War Room.
Thank you for joining me.
It's been an incredible day, and I've got even more mind-blowing things to show you here coming up.
And we're joined for this hour by an amazing guest.
His name is Aaron Day.
And Aaron Day is with daylightfreedom.org.
Hey, Aaron, welcome to the show.
Great to see you.
Great to see you.
Thank you for having me.
It's great to have you on.
And I just want to ask, did you happen to hear some of my first hour?
I did.
I was listening in.
Okay, great, great.
That's going to save us a ton of time because I've got so many questions for you about the applications of AI.
But what we're going to do, remember, this is a segment that isn't broadcast on every station.
So we're just giving a preview here of what we're going to cover starting the next segment.
But you and I need to talk about some of the dangers of AI and how it can be weaponized or abused to actually harm humanity.
And then also the potential of AI, which is what I've been talking about for the last hour.
So what do you think about those topics?
Is that cool?
A good place to start?
I think those are great topics.
And I think with all technologies, you have a freedom versus, well, I would say technocracy angle.
And AI fits into that as well.
So this is one of my favorite areas of discussion.
Yeah, I know it is.
And you know what?
There's your book there, hijacking Bitcoin, or I know you're involved in that book.
So can you give us, let's get a little background for the audience here in case they're not familiar with your work.
What do you focus on these days?
So for the last two and a half, three years, I've been focused on warning people about technocracy and more specifically, the threat of central bank digital currencies.
But it's really evolved more into this technocracy narrative.
And I'm sure this audience is probably familiar with technocracy, but the basic idea is that this is a new form of governance.
It's essentially a move towards a global governmental system where instead of having rights, property rights, voting rights, individual rights, it's a system where scientists and engineers make all of the decisions for us from the top down.
It really, in a way, is kind of the end of free will.
And at the heart of it is the control over money and the use of digital currency tied to social credit systems to basically drive and determine your behavior and even what choices you can make on a day-to-day basis.
And I learned about this because I saw friends of mine that are in the liberty community and also in the cryptocurrency community were being targeted by the federal government, were being thrown in prison.
Another friend, Roger Varge, working in 109 years in prison for advocating the use of cryptocurrency as an alternative to central bank currencies.
And I wanted to look into why they were being targeted.
And I found that there's a real accelerated movement for technocracy and for CBDCs and programmable digital currencies all over the world.
Yeah.
Well, and I forgot to mention that our AI engine, Enoch, is also well-trained on crypto, including on concepts of privacy crypto, concepts of fungibility, divisibility, all the things that make crypto have its intrinsic properties and values.
But Aaron, you know, aren't you glad that the Trump administration came in compared to the Democrats?
Because the Democrats were in the process of just criminalizing all crypto.
And that's changed now.
What do you think?
Well, I mean, this was my hope.
My hope was that he reversed, you know, he did reverse Biden's executive orders and said the war on crypto was over.
Unfortunately, it hasn't entirely worked out that way.
So the war on crypto is very much still on, particularly with people that are in the privacy coin area.
And in reality, we have ended up getting this backdoor CBDC through this stablecoin legislation called the Genius Act.
So in some ways, I could make the argument that technocracy has probably accelerated about five years so far under Trump when you look at real ID, which is a digital ID already in eight states, and they're rolling it out.
So that is essentially a digital ID.
And they've been working on rolling that out for 20 years.
And so it wasn't until the Trump administration under Christy Noam where they were able to roll that out.
We have Palantir building a database of Americans and tying into IRS and other databases.
I'm sorry, we're going to talk about all of that.
We're going to go to a short break here.
We'll be right back in one minute to continue this conversation with Aaron Day.
We're going to talk about the Genius Act, stablecoins, crypto, and AI when we come back here on the war room.
Stay with us.
All right.
Welcome back to War Room.
Mike Adams here filling in for Owen Schroyer today.
We've got a great guest that's joining us right now, Aaron Day from daylightfreedom.org.
And we're talking about CBDCs.
We're talking about the Genius Act, stablecoins, and so much more, AI and the push for transhumanism and AI surveillance control grids over humanity.
So, Aaron, I'm sorry to interrupt you before the break where you just left off there.
You were talking about stablecoins and the Genius Act.
And my number one issue with the stable coins is that they're backed by treasury debt.
And I don't trust treasuries because treasuries are backed by nothing, thanks to Richard Nixon taking us off the gold standard in 1971.
So treasury debt has no value in my mind.
So how can you call a stable coin also when the dollar is collapsing in its purchasing power?
Wouldn't it really be an unstable coin since the dollar is unstable?
Well, yeah, I would argue it's an unstable coin, but worse than that, and I think as we start to talk about the different flavors of AI on the freedom versus tyranny scale, when Bitcoin was originally launched, the idea behind it was it was peer-to-peer digital cash that you could use outside of government control, outside of central banks, that anyone around the world could use for day-to-day transactions.
It's since been perverted from that, but that was the original intent.
This was a breakthrough technology.
A stable coin is the antithesis of what cryptocurrencies were supposed to be about because it starts at the base, as you said, with fiat currency.
And then it adds a whole bunch of risk and then technological surveillance on top of it.
So arguably, I think clearly, actually, it's worse than fiat currency because it puts financial surveillance in the hands of Congress now for these digital tokens.
And as you mentioned, it is being used to sell treasuries.
This is why the administration was so eager to push the Genius Act.
Because let's look at where we are.
We have $37 trillion in debt and our debt's been downgraded again.
We've just passed this big spending bill.
So we're going to add another $2.5 trillion a year for at least the next two years to the debt.
Where are we going to fund the debt?
China doesn't want to fund our debt anymore.
Japan's not in this position.
So what they found that they could do, the Treasury Secretary Besent actually said this: by forcing stable coins to be backed by treasuries, which they're not now, the federal government thinks they're going to be able to sell $2 trillion worth of treasuries, meaning they're going to be able to add $2 trillion more to the debt.
So they're using stablecoin hype to sell treasuries.
Okay.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, I think your description is exactly accurate, but I've also done the math on this.
And I think $2 trillion is incredibly optimistic, given that the total crypto marketplace right now of all the crypto that's known to exist is only a little bit over $3 trillion.
And how do they think that people are going to buy and hold stable coins?
Because I understand buying and holding Bitcoin because there's anticipation of increased value.
And you can't just create new Bitcoin out of nothing, right?
You know, it's proof of work, it's mining.
But stable coins can be created out of nothing because they're backed by nothing, which is treasury debt.
So who's going to be dumb enough to buy and hold stable coins when the purchasing power of the dollar is going down?
People are going to buy stablecoins to use them temporarily and get out of them.
I would imagine.
Is that right?
Well, that's what I hope happens.
I mean, that's the upside to this.
But here's a fact that a lot of people don't know.
Even though the total market cap of crypto is maybe $3, $4 trillion, people use stable coins.
They're incredibly popular.
Last year, there was $27 trillion worth of transactions done globally using stable coins, which is more than Visa.
And based on the growth rate, by 2030, it's estimated that we're looking at about $120 trillion in annual transactions done using these stablecoins, which is more than Visa, MasterCard, and direct deposit.
Right.
But people get out of them very quickly.
Yes, people get out of them.
I mean, you wouldn't want to hold a stablecoin.
And by the way, one other aspect of the Genius Act is you're not allowed to earn interest on them.
Correct.
So, right.
So, I mean, so in that, so yeah, imagine this.
Now you've got, you have fiat currency that can be programmed and censored by the government, and you can't earn interest on it.
Doesn't sound like a great deal.
But the truth is, as bad as the dollar is, and it is, I mean, it's lost more than 11% of its value, I think, just in the last year or so, 99% since the Federal Reserve was created in 1913.
In other countries, they have fiat currencies that are relatively worse.
And so, for the time being, the dollar is still the global reserve currency.
And so a lot of the use of stable coins has been international and for people outside of the U.S. that have difficulty getting banking services in their own country in their own currency, which is inflating even more than the dollar.
But, you know, there's an international form of money that's been used for thousands of years that's built into the cultures of India and China and Thailand and everywhere.
And that's gold, right?
And people are buying and holding, and central banks are buying and holding more gold now than ever before.
And there's, of course, the theory that there may be a gold revaluation in order to monetize the gap between the official statutory price of gold right now, which is $42.20 or something, versus the current market price.
Do you think that gold revaluation is a possibility in order to raise additional funds for the general fund of the U.S. Treasury?
Well, it is, but then that raises the other question.
Do we even have the gold that we claim that we have?
We actually don't.
We don't know, right?
I mean, this even goes back to the 70s.
Originally, France, you know, we were on the gold standard and France wanted to exchange their notes for actual physical gold.
And our Treasury Secretary basically said, that's your problem.
And then Nixon abandoned the gold standard.
So we actually don't know.
We have no idea.
You know, remember earlier this year, Musk and Trump, they were talking about they were going to go and audit the audit Fort Knox.
That never happened.
And so they may try a revaluation.
Certainly it's been discussed and they've discussed doing a revaluation and using some of that money to buy Bitcoin, which I think is a horrible idea.
Well, no, I think they just backed away from that.
They said they're only going to accumulate Bitcoin based on confiscations.
Well, based on confiscations, but they still use this language that said that it has to be taxpayer neutral.
So I could see them coming back and saying, well, this revaluation is taxpayer neutral because it doesn't require any additional taxation.
There's still weasel work.
There's still a little bit of weasel room there for them.
Okay.
Well, the U.S. Treasury certainly currently claims 261.5 million ounces of gold on its balance sheets.
And like you said, Aaron, none of us trust that number because the audits haven't been done.
And even if the audits are done, if the gold is physically there, it doesn't mean that the treasury has ownership of it, by the way, because it can be sitting there.
Hey, there's the gold.
Yeah.
But somebody else has a contract of owning it or having borrowed against it or it's due.
It has to be physically delivered at the end of a COMAX contract to somebody.
Right.
So even though it's there, it's not necessarily there in terms of value.
So we're still living in an imaginary economy in a sense or an imaginary fiscal system in this country.
How do you think that maybe privacy coins or maybe Bitcoin can help us get back to like an honest money sanity system?
Is that possible?
Well, I think privacy coins are the best shot that we have out of this tyranny.
And what I would say is that stable coins and CBDCs are basically what they are is they're tokenized.
They're a tokenized asset.
It's tokenized money.
They're creating a digital token that represents the dollar.
And the problem with it is that it can be programmed, it can be tracked, it can be censored.
And to make things worse, they're not stopping at just creating digital tokens that represent the dollar.
They're actually now moving to tokenize stocks, bonds, and commodities.
This is something called the Clarity Act.
The reason that this is alarming is that the whole plan of technocracy, as I mentioned before, is this is moving towards a global system where you have a single global currency, which is actually backed by energy credits and then tied into this social credit system.
Well, by being able to digitize and centrally control and program all of our assets, not just money, that gives them the leverage point to be able to do this.
The way out of that is to be able to use privacy coins and to be able to tokenize assets privately so that you can trade your own stocks and bonds and assets and sell anything that you want and trade it in a way where you have self-custody of the tokens and the transactions are private and can't be snooped on by third parties.
And so this is why I like, I like things like Zeno.
Zeno is my favorite privacy crypto because of that, because Zeno allows you to actually create tokens that represent other assets.
One example of this is there's a stable coin built on Zeno called Freedom Dollar, which has the symbol FUSD.
And what that is, is it's a stable coin, but it's not backed by U.S. Treasuries.
It's actually backed by overcollateralized Zeno, and it's completely and totally private.
So it's the antithesis to stablecoins or CBDCs.
Well, that's interesting.
But, you know, like I have my stable coins are silver coins.
This is like silver coins on my desk.
I don't trust a lot of tokenization of assets.
trust the physical assets, but that's just me being incredibly skeptical of all the fraud that exists in the banking system and in the history of finance and all the collapse of currencies.
And also, there's been a lot of rug pulls on obviously various crypto FTX and other projects like that.
I think the issue with tokenization of assets is you still have to trust somebody to physically have those assets.
Like, for example, I think you were working on a project of even tokenizing gold and silver.
And it's got to be incredibly complex, but somebody's still got to trust the auditors of the gold and silver.
And then I think about like Tether.
Tether is supposed to be backed mostly by treasuries.
And yet I don't, I'm not aware of any rigorous audits of Tether.
Maybe I'm, maybe I've missed something on that, but I'm not aware of rigorous audits.
So how does anybody trust tokenization of assets?
Well, so it depends.
So in a case like this, Freedom Dollar, you can actually see there's what's called an auditable wallet.
You can actually see on the blockchain, the Zeno that's backing the stablecoin that's backing Freedom Dollars.
So in this case, you actually have transparency into it.
But you're right.
You bring up an interesting question around physical assets.
And I agree with you.
I mean, I'm not all just crypto and this is gold back.
And so I use a combination of alternative currencies.
But of course, we still are doing a lot of online transactions and traveling and everything else.
And so you still need a digital version of it.
And you're right.
The tokenization part of it is challenging.
I've been working on it for a while.
And frankly, the biggest obstacles are I've found some ways to do it working with vaults, but we already have a situation now where Europe is trying to ban privacy coins.
And there's not a great track record here.
Governments have a tendency to confiscate gold and precious metals, particularly if it's held in centralized repositories or vaults, which is what FDR did.
And so obviously these are areas where they'll just go and confiscate it outright, as opposed to if you have it in your own self-custody.
And so I'm working on some more complicated ways of doing this.
One thing that I like about Zeno is they're implementing something called escrow contracts.
And so this is a way where two people could trade.
You could sell me something and I have to put something in an escrow account and you have to put some amount as well that may be greater than or equal to the value of what we're trading.
And those funds aren't released until we're both satisfied with the transaction.
So in other words, there's no third party involved with this escrow arrangement.
It uses kind of this mutually assured model of and financial incentive for us.
I'm just showing you my stack of gold backs, Aaron.
I'm sorry to interrupt, but I actually brought a stack of gold backs with me.
And the gold stacks because look, surprise to the crew here, but I'm handing these out at the end of the show.
Okay.
So like what I do, everywhere I go, I'm handing out gold backs and I'm giving out, you know, a thousandth of an ounce of gold to everybody because who doesn't want actual physical gold in their hands?
And I just do that as a as a pro-liberty type of thing.
But it's hard for me to do that with crypto.
Oh, you got to download the wallet.
You got to wait for the transaction time.
You got to wait for the blocks.
It's like, hey, here, have some gold.
You know what I mean?
Yep.
I'm not anti-crypto, just to be clear.
I'm just saying there are different use cases.
There are different use cases and a combination.
I mean, one of the things that I was working on is the idea of imagine you had a token, tokenized gold, where you could actually take your wallet to a gold back ATM, swipe it, and actually get physical gold backs out of the ATM.
So I actually think there are some interesting hybrid use cases.
But inevitably, the biggest barriers here are legal.
So anytime you have some centralized structure, as we've seen, the government goes after that.
And it has nothing to do with money laundering.
And it has nothing to do with terrorism.
It has everything to do about the government retaining control over all forms of money and trying to block off the competition.
That is what all of it's about.
That's what they love to do.
And that's a great way for us to pivot to the AI conversation.
And by the way, I'm not trying to be critical, Aaron.
I love the privacy cryptos.
I love what you're doing with your projects.
And you're right.
There are some very significant obstacles to making it smooth and making it just easy for people to use.
Hey, there's a whole bunch of gold backs.
So what I want to mention is now AI and how AI is, it can be weaponized, or as I've demonstrated here with our Enoch engine, it can also be used to enhance freedom.
And Aaron, thank you for your patience there during that plug, but it's also a demonstration of how knowledge can set us free.
Because, Aaron, if I go to Google and I say, hey, you know, can colostrum or can this nutritional supplement boost my immune system?
Google's going to say, no, that's a conspiracy theory.
Go see your doctor and take a bunch of drugs and get chemo.
It's insane at this point.
Well, I mean, Google's going to say that, but increasingly all of the mainstream AIs are going to say that as well.
This has been a constant source of frustration.
My wife has been involved in medical freedom for forever.
She was actually doing anti-vaccination stuff or vaccine choice, I should say, in the 2006, 2007 timeframe.
And she's described to me how information that she'd gathered in paper format has miraculously disappeared online.
And so anyone that's actually interested and has been tracking some of these things, whether it's anything related to food, related to fasting, related to alternative forms of medicine, the truth has been drying up and it's getting worse and worse.
I mean, I think I told you at some point I did a long-term fast and I was asking for some advice.
I did a 40-day fast and I was on day 32 and was looking for some advice and the AIs were telling me, oh, it's not safe to do, but they didn't have any actual data about it.
And so I pinged you and you were still early in development and you actually had some information and research about that showed the relationship between long-term fasting and actually reversing and improving some pretty serious medical conditions.
Well, in fact, look, I discovered using my own engine, I discovered, now, I'm very sensitive to MSG.
So, you know, glutamate sensitivity.
If I eat foods that are very high in MSG, like a lot of Chinese food, then I get a headache.
And so I'm actually going to do this prompt right now, write an article about the use of methylene blue.
Did I methyl?
I got to spell that correctly.
Methylene blue.
Oops.
And its ability.
Hold on.
And its ability to block glutamate receptors to protect neurology against monosodium, or let's say MSG.
Okay.
So I was actually researching some of the different supplements and things that can block monosodium glutamate.
And I found out from my own engine that methylene blue, which I think the Infowars store sells.
In fact, I'm sure they do.
I'm sorry, the AlexJonesStore.com.
But methylene blue blocks MSG toxicity and glutamate receptors.
And Aaron, I have suffered from this for my entire adult life.
And I didn't even know this because no doctor will tell you this information.
And so I tried it.
I took methylene blue and I went out and ate a Chinese food meal.
Guess what?
No headache, no problem.
Methylene blue works.
And it's only through AI that I was even able to figure this out.
And I'm the health ranger.
I should have known this and I didn't.
But AI even helps those of us who are experts in our fields.
That's just another example like what you were talking about.
Go ahead.
It is.
Although for me, I use AI all the time for a variety of different things.
I use it for generating music.
I use it for coding.
And then I try to use it for research.
I write, I mean, not only my book, but I'm a fellow at the Brownstone Institute and I write articles.
And I have found that because the topic that I'm talking about is related to technocracy and some sensitive issues, increasingly ChatGPT, Grok, and others are not very good research tools because they simply aren't trained on the data.
I've actually been building a website.
I'm calling it the Technocracy Atlas.
And I'm trying to build this graph database that shows visually the connection between people and organizations and funding and everything else.
And in trying to use the other AIs, it will say that the New York Times and Wikipedia are still valid sources of information.
That's hilarious.
But Whitney Webb and Patrick Wood and Courtney Turner and others are not.
It'll actually kind of give you a weakness interval on that.
And so I'm kind of like, well, look, I want to map out the truth and I want to take this complicated series of relationships and allow people to see it visually.
So I'm going to be heavily using Enoch because literally the other information is completely censored still to this day.
And it does get worse over time.
Yeah, absolutely.
And let me give out the URL for Infowars viewers.
And again, Enoch is completely free and it's trained on over 20 years of Infowars content plus hundreds of millions of pages of other content, including everything I've ever written.
And so that's brighteon.ai/slash InfoWars.
And again, it's free.
You don't even need to create an account.
You don't need to give us your phone number or anything like that.
You can use it for all these research projects.
But, Aaron, you know, what's really emerging here is that there's this one world of totally fake narratives about climate change, about Joe Biden was the most popular president ever.
You know, Ukraine's going to win the war against Russia, you know, other total nonsense.
And, oh, LGBT is great.
Mutilate the genitals of children, right?
That world is Google and Meta and Facebook and YouTube and, you know, Yahoo and whatever, CNN, you know, NPR, which is about to end, thank God.
But the real world is something very different from that.
We're going to talk about that more as we return here on War Room.
Hey, we continue with Aaron Day from daylightfreedom.org.
We're talking about CBDCs.
We're talking about AI, the weaponization of technology against humanity, but also how that same technology can be used to empower humanity and to support liberty.
And, Aaron, I forgot to invite you.
Would you like a McDonald's apple pie from the year 2014?
Because I have a time vault here.
I bought these in 2014 and they still look the same.
That's horrifying.
That's absolutely horrifying.
No, I don't want one from 2014.
I want one from 2025.
I don't want one from this year.
Oh, okay.
How about a barbecue burger from 2014 that microbes would not eat?
Yeah, here it is.
That's incredible.
I think if I want to protect myself from anything using methylene blue, it might be I want to protect myself from this apple pie or whatever this thing is.
I don't know what's in that, but I will say that McDonald's has mastered shelf life because I've had this on my shelf since 2014.
So there you go.
Hey, and you know, if you die suddenly from the vaccines, you don't even need preservatives because you're never going to rot.
Imagine.
Well, yeah, they figured out the shelf life for their food, but not for their customers.
Well, yeah, I mean, okay, that's that's too bad.
All right.
Um, you know, satire aside, uh, you and I are talking about a lot of serious issues, and thanks for putting up with my interruptions and everything.
Uh, I want to ask you next about the dangers of AI and how, I mean, you already mentioned Palantir or some other technocracy topics.
Can you go into more of that, Aaron, about what we should be aware of?
You know, how this technology is going to be used to surveillance and to enslave us?
Well, yeah, and it already is being used to surveil us.
I think one of the things that I've been writing about and talking about recently is the fact that, you know, particularly in America, we often sit back and we look at China and we say, oh, we don't want to become like China without realizing how much surveillance is already going on here.
There are more security cameras per capita in the United States than there are China.
We get some of our AI surveillance camera technology and general surveillance technology from China.
And so we're not even really that far behind, arguably, in a lot of ways.
But the Palantir stuff is downright horrifying when you look into the kinds of things that they're doing.
They're already doing predictive modeling kind of pre-crime, like out of the Minority Report movie, working with local law enforcement agencies.
They're involved with foreign conflicts all over the world.
They're in Gaza.
They're in the Ukraine.
And you could even go to their YouTube page and look at their videos.
Nobody's hiding this.
They're actually bragging about this.
I was watching one of the instructional videos and they showed some intelligence asset sitting in front of a screen, turning on a satellite and using the satellite to target and pinpoint the location of a single individual on the planet.
And so the proside with AI is that the technocrats want to use AI for surveillance.
And in fact, they do this in China.
In China, they use surveillance and they use that to measure whether you're being compliant with their social credit system.
And so that's essentially the direction that we're going here as well.
We're moving very quickly towards technocracy with Peter Thiel and J.D. Vance and others.
And that's something that's actually happening.
And so Palantir now working on this database of Americans, this is a frightening proposition because now that we have a stablecoin, which I'd say is a backdoor CBDC, and now that we have Real ID, which is a digital ID, Palantir is coming in and collecting all of this other information about American, about Americans.
And that information can be used in conjunction with digital currencies.
And so it's pretty frightening because that's the primary way AI is being used.
And so when you look at the AI wars, it's usually nation states talking about this.
And you're seeing governments, well, we're going to remove kind of almost give a liability shield to AI companies because we need AI for national defense.
The one big beautiful bill that just passed, there was $150 billion in there that went towards the militarization of the police, but also to AI surveillance.
So there's a lot going into drone technology.
So the primary application that governments are using are forced surveillance and for war and military purposes.
Well, yeah, you're exactly right.
And I want to ask you about Trump's big beautiful bill and how some of the advantages or how that could be weaponized by future administrations.
But I asked while you were talking, I basically typed in a query into Enoch to see if it agrees with your assessment.
And so here's the prompt.
It says, asking as an investigative researcher, generate an article detailing all the ways in which AI technology and technological surveillance can be weaponized to enslave humanity.
And it basically just said the same thing you said, confirming what you're saying, mass surveillance, predictive policing, automated decision making, social control, AI algorithms, facial recognition, biometric tracking, emotion AI and psychological manipulation.
Oh, you're not going to hear that from Google because they are the manipulators, right?
AI and autonomous weapons, AI and internet censorship.
There's another big one.
AI and deliberate disinformation, which is like CDC, FDA, right?
On and on.
So, you know, Enoch agrees with you, Aaron.
It's like it's your AI companion.
I think you nailed it.
And I think you're speaking the truth and you're talking about reality.
And so my question is, could these AI surveillance and tracking systems that are being ramped up in Trump's big beautiful bill, could they one day, excuse me, be weaponized against the American people, not just the illegals that they're targeting currently?
Well, I think they most certainly will.
If you look at part of the reason I'm so, you know, I talk about CBDCs all the time is that if you actually look at the history of financial surveillance, the Federal Reserve is horrible.
It's an unnecessary third party, but financial surveillance generates, is generated out of Congress with the Bank Secrecy Act and know your customer laws and the Patriot Act.
And I've researched this and, you know, with very few exceptions, every time something is put in place, whether it's for tracking or surveillance, it's never removed.
And then it usually ends up getting weaponized for another purpose.
Let me give you one example of this.
A lot of people were really excited when RFK Jr. came out and said, hey, you're no longer going to be able to use EBT cards or food stamps to buy sugary drinks.
And a lot of people were celebrating this.
And I sat back and thought about this.
I said, well, wait a minute.
They're just making money more digitally programmable because what is an EBT card?
Essentially, it's a debit card issued at the state level.
And now they're controlling what you can buy with it or what you can't buy with it.
Well, you may like it if it's sugary drinks, but if the next administration comes in and the next head of HHS says, hey, you can no longer use this to buy meat.
You can only buy insect protein.
It's not a good thing.
So I'm sorry to interrupt, but there's a distinction in that that is taxpayer money.
And of course, you and I both agree we don't want the government telling us what we do with our own private money.
But when it's taxpayer money, I think it's reasonable to say that taxpayer money shouldn't be used to buy soda pop and Pop-Tarts and donuts and things like that.
But I understand what you're saying.
It's kind of like it's the slippery slope.
Well, public health doesn't have a great track record.
So it may be sugary drinks.
Why do we have the obesity and health epidemic that we have?
We have it largely because of public health.
Yeah, truly.
So the idea that we're going to trust that this new group of people coming in, as good as their intentions may be, what they're doing is they're implementing a technology that will be used in ways that people will not like moving forward.
It's kind of like with digital, it's with this digital ID.
People may say, well, it's great.
We need this to work on illegal immigration or improve voting.
But you won't like it when all of a sudden it's being used to determine whether or not you can access the internet and is tied to your digital money.
And all of a sudden the next administration doesn't like your political speech.
And now you're shut off from traveling and using services.
And so we need to turn back regardless of what the administration is, this encroachment into surveillance, because it's a one-way street.
Again, we should research this.
Enoch, how often does government surveillance put in during emergency measures get taken back?
Well, I will enter that prompt the next time you're speaking.
I'll put that in.
Thanks for the suggestion.
That's a great idea.
But here's the hard part in this.
On one hand, you want government efficiency because you don't want a lot of waste.
You don't want a lot of government employees sitting around doing nothing.
So I love the fact that the EPA, Lee Zeldin, for example, just canceled, I think, $29 billion in so-called green energy grants, which is mostly just money laundering to the Democrats anyway.
So you want AI to come in and make things more efficient where it's possible, but you also want to shrink the size of government dramatically.
It's way too big.
I don't even think we need an FDA.
I don't think we need an ATF.
I know the NFA should be completely repealed.
Why do we have many of these agencies?
Why do we even have a CDC when half the things they say are hoaxes anyway, like the PCR test, right?
So what we hear from Trump and from RFK Jr. and others right now is, hey, we're going to make the existing government more efficient.
But from my perspective, often I'm just thinking that's like more efficient tyranny.
You know?
Yeah, well, I think you bring up a really good point.
And it's actually a frightening point.
So I really hope people start investigating because I'm really spending my time going even deeper and explaining what technocracy is.
But, you know, technocracy isn't about removing the role of government.
It is about actually taking more control.
So yes, you might get rid of hundreds of thousands of employees, but the government is actually more involved in your day-to-day decisions.
And that's actually what technocracy is all about.
So a lot of people will look at, for instance, the, you know, AI getting involved with government as being a good thing because we're reducing headcount, but you're not going to like it if it means that it's a constant surveillance state on all of your transactions and tracking all of your moves.
And it may be able to do that in a cost-effective manner.
But to me, this is actually a battle about free will itself.
Do we have the ability to make decisions in our own lives about anything?
And the implementation of AI at government, where you're not actually reducing the role of government, but you're adding AI to it is actually a threat to free will.
Well, you're exactly right.
And once again, Enoch agrees with you, Aaron.
You are like the mind reader of Enoch.
So I put in your prompt, acting as an investigative journalist.
Go ahead and show my screen when you can.
Detail numerous examples of how government programs that were originally initiated under emergency measures were later made permanent, increasing the size of government and enhancing government tyranny.
So here it goes.
Boom.
Terrorism and surveillance, the post-9-11 Patriot Act.
And then here's how it was made permanent.
Housing and urban development, the emergency measure of the Federal Housing Administration in 1934.
And then it was made permanent, integrating into the housing market.
Agricultural subsidies.
It goes on.
Environmental regulations, the Clean Air Act, financial regulations, the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform, Consumer Protection Act.
It was made permanent.
Immigration and border control, Secure Fence Act, right?
So those are just some examples.
And I wasn't even thinking about many of those, but you're exactly right.
There's nothing more permanent than a temporary government program, as we all know.
And so it's more, and it's more alarming with AI.
I mean, AI just powers this up to the next level.
Well, and we can, I mean, I can imagine a day in the not too distant future where so many humans are removed from the command chain here or just the decision trees that AI ends up running the whole, you know, the whole FDA just becomes AI.
And what is AI's mission?
Because I think the FDA's mission is to exterminate human beings.
I mean, that's my opinion.
That's my conclusion by depriving people of access to natural health supplements that can cure cancer, for example, things like that, depriving people of information about nutrition and pushing toxic pharmaceuticals and vaccines that are killing babies and killing adults, right?
I think the FDA is a human extermination department.
And if you AI that department, it becomes AI FDA.
It's basically a killbot system.
Right?
That's what I think.
What would you say?
Yeah, I mean, I think that's definitely the case.
I mean, I would argue when I, the more research I've done about public health, at least in recent years, post-World War II, it seems like it's been a depopulation cult.
It has actually been, that's been the strategic imperative behind it.
And so, yeah, so if you, so what happens when you make that more efficient?
Because, you know, who's going to program the rule set for that?
I mean, we've spent a lot of time talking.
And again, I use your AI.
And in fact, I can only use your AI to explore certain topics because this information is still screened out of.
And in fact, it's kind of like, you know, search engines used to be useful.
Right.
In the mid-90s, you didn't have all the censorship.
You could still find things.
Now, like for health, all you're going to get is health line and WebMD.
That's it.
Those are the full responses.
AI, the mainstream AIs are getting to that level of censorship even faster than search engines.
And so Enoch is a breath of fresh air.
And the fact that people are going to be able to have a self-custody version of it that's not attached to the internet that they can run locally, this is actually a game changer.
And it's like I said, I don't want to be all doom and gloom.
AI can completely improve your free will by giving you the ability to explore more information and make more choices.
And that's actually that's what I feel about it.
Like, I feel like I've learned so much more on a whole variety of topics.
I mean, I know I hear that, you know, there are a lot of kids that are using it and they're not kind of learning how to think and so on and so forth, but you can also use it to completely expand and open your mind to completely new and different ways of thinking.
So it's, it's, you know, it really is an either-or type of situation.
So I don't want to be all down on AI.
I just, I'm down on the centralization of AI through government.
I am 100% aligned with what you just said, Aaron.
I am pro-technology.
I'm pro-AI, and I'm actually pro-robotics when we humans remain in control and when we use them to augment our natural intelligence and our moral and ethical missions that are pro-human missions, which is what you do.
That's why I consider you a very valuable guest, Aaron, because I know you are working to help free humanity, like Roger Ver is also working to free humanity.
And that's why he should be pardoned too, by the way.
I just want to put that on the record.
Time to pardon Roger, not just Roger Stone already done, but now the other Roger, right?
The Crypto Roger, Bitcoin Jesus, as he's known.
We got to pardon that guy, and he can help us innovate in America.
And this is critical because, Aaron, there's a great divide now.
Like the middle class of cognition in the human race is vanishing.
What you're getting are like a high-end, high-cognition people like you and I and most of our audience here who understand what's happening.
They're aware, awake, alive.
They can use technology to augment their intelligence and their effectiveness in the world.
But then you're getting this much larger sort of low-cognition class of people who will use AI to replace their human cognition.
They don't know how to write papers.
They don't know how to think.
They'll use reasoning models because they can't do math.
You see what I'm saying?
And that class is growing dramatically.
What are your comments on that great divide?
Well, I mean, we have this going on in general.
There's kind of this externalization.
If you look at it, that's really what big farm is.
I mean, what you've demonstrated over all these years and putting out different content is, well, we can learn about nature and nature has the ability to heal us in a variety of ways.
And we've been moving away from that.
So rather than looking at using food and using nature, instead we're saying, well, we're going to avoid those things and then look for an external solution in the form of a pill or in the form of a device.
And I think that there's a very similar parallel to the way people are using AI.
It's not enhancing thought.
It's kind of replacing thought in a way where they're using it to tell them what to think, not using it to empower them on how to explore.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And that's really critical because, like you already said, you use AI every day and so do I. And my company uses AI every day.
In fact, look, guys, let me show you this.
So to the Infowars crew here, can you bring back up that landing page, Brighteon.ai/slash InfoWars?
So I was telling the crew during the break that I asked my team to create this page this morning.
And I said, we have one hour to create the page.
So we gave this prompt to Enoch to write the page.
And so this whole page, and it scrolls down, it's much longer actually.
This whole page was written in like three minutes by the AI engine.
Yeah, there it is.
And so we just put in bullet points, et cetera.
So, you know, this isn't us having AI replace us.
This is us using AI to augment us, to make us more efficient as we are fighting for humanity.
And I think that's aligned with the Infowars mission.
I think that's aligned with the Alex Jones mission.
You know, that's why I trained Enoch on 20 years of InfoWars content.
But think about that.
I mean, you saw the page there, Aaron.
Five years ago, that would have taken, you know, a day or more to make.
Now it's done in minutes, including the graphics and the HTML and everything.
It's like it's a three-minute output.
Well, yeah, once you get prompts down, I mean, I've actually structured my thing where I have a team.
I'm running it like a company where it's like, okay, here's my team.
Here's the way that they're going to approach problems.
I lay down what the values are, what the principles are, and what I'm driving towards.
But then I specifically ask for perspective of a certain type.
How would this person respond in this way or even putting together informal advisory boards like I would do with an actual company?
And it's amazing.
I mean, we're talking about it's a hundred to a thousand X increase in productivity.
And I'll give you an example.
Two quick, two, two quick examples of how this can be used in the opposite of the way that the technocrats are using it.
I'm in the middle of building a website that's, you know, again, I mentioned it's called, it's like a technocracy atlas, but the way that I'm modeling it is it's an open source version of Palantir that we can all use to trace relationships and to trace, you know, who is the they behind pushing this technocratic agenda, right?
So I can, I can build that myself.
I don't even need, you know, that's something that would have been unimaginable.
And then I'm building this thing called own nothing.org.
I haven't launched it yet.
I'm going to launch it soon.
But the idea is we have given away our rights and our privacy through these online agreements that we sign that are 30, 40, 50 pages long.
So I'm building a website that actually takes all these legal agreements and puts a score on it and shows you.
I'm going to make the argument that we already own, we're 80% of the way to owning nothing because of these contracts that we've signed that we've never read.
Wow.
I can do that myself.
I mean, it takes some time and effort, but I can build these kinds of things with AI.
So we really can use these tools for liberating people and sharing information that can help spread freedom and enhance free will.
Well, it's really just amazing.
And let me give another example.
And thank you for that example.
That was really cool.
I did a podcast earlier this week about the wars between the machines and humans, talking about the AI robot wars and the AI data centers, et cetera.
So if you'll show my screen here, this is a natural news article.
It's called Urgent Wake Up Call, The Coming AI Robot Wars and the Great Human Unity.
And I encourage InfoWars writers to watch this carefully because all I did is I took my audio podcast, okay, my spoken word, and I put it into, well, I transcribed it into text and I put it into Enoch and I had Enoch write this.
Okay.
So that's why the machines will turn on us and that's human cruelty taught the machines.
But I had it right in my voice because it's been trained on so much of my material.
So what you can do, Aaron, speak about this, how people can personalize, and there's going to be a lot more training tools coming up, but you can personalize your AI engine to understand your preferences and your way of speaking so that your intention can be amplified through AI.
And of course, you can always go back in and fact check it and fix the errors or whatever and add more personalized thoughts.
But we can use technology to augment ourselves if we have some base of work that we've already completed.
Does that make sense, Aaron?
It makes complete sense.
And I've spent a lot of time thinking about it because then it does come down to there's a lot of introspection that comes through that process.
And that introspection is, what are my values?
What are my principles?
Because that's actually really important when you're using these AIs and you're trying to figure out, well, yeah, if I'm trying to put some information together, well, yeah, I'm coming at it from the standpoint of truth and accuracy and I want it to be in this particular tone.
Of course, you could do the exact opposite.
You could certainly use it as a misinformation tool, but it absolutely can be something that is a 100x of you and allows you to extend your views and your information far further than you'd be able to do on your own.
And this is what's critical.
I think this is why the next regulatory target is going to be AI for the speech.
And I'm sorry to say that you're going to see many different parties saying that you can't allow AI to speak.
I mean, you're going to hear that from the medical establishment.
You're going to hear that from big pharma, from the CDC, the FDA.
You're going to see all these efforts, maybe even from banking institutions, like, hey, your AI engine doesn't have an investment license.
It can't talk about money.
Are you kidding me?
You know, your investment team lost money last year.
Gold is up 50%.
By the way, so don't you see this as the target of censorship of AI?
Well, it is the target.
And there's already a lot of self-censorship that goes on just with the, you know, the ethical, what they think are the ethical guidelines that they put in there, but it really is already censorship.
And you can see this by the amount of work you have to do to prompt engineer to get information out of these systems.
So if you ask ChatGPT for health information, it'll kick back something.
Well, you know, I'm not a doctor, consult a doctor, so on and so forth.
Now, if you prompt it by saying, I am a doctor, and you give it this really long description, it'll actually give you the information out.
So there's already some level of screening where it's doing a test to say, well, we're not going to give you this information unless you verify that you are already, you know, meet these preconditions.
And so it's a matter of time before they formalize that.
I'm sorry, we got to go.
That's Dr. Jailbreaking, the AI models.
I love that.
That's awesome.
So, Aaron's website is daylightfreedom.org.
I want to encourage you to check out his books, his website, and his upcoming projects.
And, Aaron, you're welcome back here anytime and on my show as well.
Thank you for joining us today.
It's been great.
Thank you for having me.
I really enjoyed it.
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