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Aug. 13, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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The WAR on LIGHT! Scott Chaverri joins the Health Ranger...
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Welcome to today's interview here on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams.
I've got some new interesting hardware that we're going to demo for you here today.
It's a red light therapy device from a company called Mito.
Red Light.
M-I-T-O, which is short for mitochondria.
Of course, the energy producers of your cells.
We'll get into all that.
And we're joined by the founder of the Mito company.
It's Scott Chaveri.
And he joins us right now to talk about this technology and how it's useful for all of us.
So welcome, Scott.
It's great to have you here today.
I'm excited to be here.
Thanks for having me.
Well, it's nice to meet you because I have seen many of your products.
I've used many of your products, but I didn't know the founder behind it.
So can you give us your kind of a quick summary of who you are and your company, what it's all about?
Sure.
Well, we've been in business seven years, and I mean, I've always been a biohacker at heart.
Actually, we just met, but I did want to say thank you for everything you've done to kind of educate the masses.
I actually read an e-book by you 20 years ago, I think it was, on spirulina and chlorella.
Oh, really?
Swallowing a lot of chlorella about 20 years ago.
So thank you for that.
And so I've always been a biohacker at heart, always super interested in health and wellness, although I had a career in finance before I started Mito.
But mainly because I was solving my own health problems.
You know, I had bad acne as a teenager, had low energy in my 20s, which is into my early 30s, which is when I read your e-book.
And so always looking for solutions for the problems that I was having.
And of course, the conventional system is lacking in many kind of root cause solutions.
And so I've tried many, many different things, supplements and other technologies.
And I stumbled upon red light probably about 10 years ago.
And I used it myself and I noticed I was sleeping a lot better when I was using it.
And I just felt that the devices at the time were super expensive.
And I was like, well, maybe there's a way to bring things to market that are as effective, but not as expensive.
And that was really kind of the origin story of the company.
Wow.
Okay.
So then what?
You sat down with engineers and you figured out how to put this together with some affordable LEDs?
Basically, about six months of prototyping, trying different things.
And when we launched, actually, we launched January 2019 with just three basic products, three basic light panels, just 660 nanometer red, 850 nanometer near-infrared.
And then I remember about six months in, I was nervous about adding a fourth SKU because, you know, people get paralysis analysis when you have too many options, right?
But now we've got like 60 SKUs.
You know, we've really expanded our product portfolio.
And again, I'm a biohacker at heart.
So anytime I can come up with something, if I think I can design something and solve a problem, then I'll do that.
Or if I can design something that's better than what's out on the market, I will do that.
And so it's been a fun ride in that, you know, getting to kind of channel my creative side and innovate and create new products.
Well, I'm really glad we connected with you because we've been looking for a long time for really high quality, durable, long-lasting red light therapy devices that also have the right frequencies of red light.
And there are several different options out there to choose from.
But I want to mention, and I'm going to ask you about your technology.
And I've got a sample right here on my desk to show people.
This is going to be fun.
But I want to mention right up front, you and I both agree.
It's blocking you.
There we go.
Let me get it out of your way.
You and I both agree that sunlight is Mother Nature's first and most abundant and free light source.
And I love getting sunlight.
I exercise in the sun every day, except rainy days.
And I know you do as well.
But there's so many circumstances in which people don't have easy access to sunlight and also on all the parts of their body that need exposure.
So I want to talk about that in a second.
Let me first just give out the URL where people can find your product line on our website.
So folks, if you go to healthrangerstore.com slash red light, all one word altogether.
It's just healthrangerstore.com slash red light.
You'll see the Mito product line here, which has all of these various panels that are available.
They're all high quality devices.
And I've got one on my desk here that we're about to get into.
But Scott, tell us about the wavelengths that you incorporate and what makes your panels better than the sort of super cheap, low-end products that are sometimes out there.
Yeah, so pretty much you want to use wavelengths in what is described in the literature as the optical window.
And you can look this up even on Wikipedia, the near-infrared biological window.
And generally, it's about 600 nanometers, which is orange-ish, 590 is yellow, 600 to 630 is amber-orange, 660 is red, and then going up into about 900 nanometers, which is actually near-infrared, which is invisible.
And so why is that range of wavelengths special?
Well, it's where the wavelengths can penetrate deep into the body, but not get absorbed by water and turned into heat.
So a lot of times folks will get confused.
They'll hear infrared and they'll think infrared sauna and mid-infrared and far-infrared, very long wavelengths, 3,000 nanometers up to 10,000 nanometers.
They do go deep into the body, but they get absorbed by water and turned into heat, hence why they're used in saunas.
And so the optical window, this narrow window in the electromagnetic spectrum from the end of the visible light spectrum up into the bottom of the near-infrared light spectrum doesn't get absorbed by water.
So they can penetrate deep into the body and act on the mitochondria.
And there's several mechanisms of action, but the primary mechanism is that essentially these wavelengths of light get harnessed by the mitochondria and they help the mitochondria make energy.
So you see ATP increase, which is adenosine triphosphate, the cellular energy.
And if your cells have more energy at their disposal, essentially they can do their jobs better.
That's kind of the nuts and bolts of how it helps people.
And then as you said, you know, there was like an EPA study, I think around 20 years ago, where they determined that the modern human was spending, in the Western world, spending about 93% of their time indoors.
And so they're very, very different than our ancestors, even, you know, 150 years ago.
And then obviously for thousands of years before that, where we would have been outside in the sun pretty much all day long, bathing in these beneficial wavelengths of light from the sun.
And so my stance is that pretty much everybody is massively deficient in these beneficial wavelengths of light.
And from that standpoint, it makes sense to supplement.
And if you can do so with a well-designed device that is safe, that's putting out a good amount of light, but it's well within the safety range, then you should do so.
I completely agree with that.
And this has been actually, you know, as the health ranger, I've been focused on nutrition and superfoods and phytonutrients for 25 years.
The biggest gap in my own understanding was light.
Yep.
I didn't realize the importance of light.
And, you know, there are so many great voices out there.
People I've interviewed from Dr. Jack Cruz and others who talk about the importance of light.
And as you, you can probably see like my skin right now is actually more tan than I usually am because I'm out in the sun every day.
But I also use red light therapy in the morning to wake up with, you know, it's like this burst of light is so critical.
And, you know, you mentioned the mitochondria, but it's also what I learned is that there are photoreceptors on many, many organs throughout the body and many tissues throughout the body.
I mean, actual photoreceptors inside the body.
Can you speak to that a little bit?
Sure.
Well, it's fascinating.
I mean, this is why, you know, I'm sitting here partly because of folks like you and Dr. Cruz who have been talking about these things for a long time.
And yes, you know, we, and that's why, you know, we need to, I agree with Dr. Cruz and you that we need to get back to nature.
And, you know, we need to, most people need to be out in the sun more often.
And we need to be mindful of how modern life is booby trapping us, setting booby traps for us.
You know, a good example is talking about photoreceptors.
You know, there are certain photoreceptors in your eyes that when they're exposed to UV light, they actually will cause your skin to make melanin.
You've got a good tan, but if you were out, I would bet, I don't know, that we didn't wear sunglasses because if you were wearing sunglasses, you might not have as good of a tan.
That's right.
I do not wear sunglasses because of that.
It's fascinating, right?
So you can actually more likely to burn your skin if you wear sunglasses because you're blocking those photoreceptors that would send signals to your skin to create melanin.
Interesting.
So things like that.
So, you know, we just need to be mindful of these things.
But at the same time, while modern life, there's so many booby traps with modern technology and we should be mindful of those.
On the flip side, modern technology has given us some band-aids at a minimum or some solutions that we can integrate into our lifestyles to help mitigate kind of the booby traps.
Absolutely.
And also, some people live in climates where they barely have any sunshine.
I'm thinking like the Northwest of the United States, you know, live in Seattle or Portland or London for that matter.
You barely see the sun, you know?
So it has to be augmented in a lot of places.
But even I live in Texas and I still augment it myself anyway, just because it's well, let me put it this way.
I do jog on my own private ranch, but I don't jog naked.
Okay.
Or all day.
I mean, I'm all day, right?
Right.
I'm jogging like 30 minutes.
So I'm getting 30 minutes of intense sunlight as naked as I can get, but still wearing shoes and shorts, you know.
But in the privacy of your own home, you can get this light therapy all over your pelvis, your buttocks, your genitals, even.
I mean, why is it important to have that exposure in those places?
Well, at the end of the day, again, to the extent that the cells that receive this energy that have mitochondria, which is pretty much every cell in your body except for your red blood cells, there's potential for them to benefit.
So why wouldn't you want it to get it everywhere?
And as a matter of fact, part of my origin story was that I was about to turn 40 and I was worried about testosterone.
And so I and I had read some anecdotes of red light on the crown jewels, getting jewels, which is, I've actually wrote an article about this a few years ago.
Could getting jewels on the crown jewels help with testosterone?
Jules is a turbulent unit of energy.
And so it actually, it didn't work for me in full transparency.
I mean, my testosterone was mid-500s.
I think I was kind of average for the typical 40-year-old, or maybe even slightly above average, which is another whole discussion.
But it has worked for some of our customers who were very low in the 200 to 300 range.
They've told us that they used red light on the crown jewels and then they got up to normal.
And so to the extent that the red light helped their testicular function and pump out more testosterone, that would be the hypothesis of how it worked.
That would be a good thing.
And so at the end of the day, we just want our cells to function as well as they possibly can.
And that means giving your cells what they need, which obviously is nutrition and water, clean water, clean air and light.
And then also minimizing the poisons and the toxins, unfortunately, that we're surrounded by.
Yeah, absolutely.
There's so many important functions that it helps support.
And now for the women watching, of course, it's important, I believe, to get red light on your breast tissue.
And very few women jog topless for obvious reasons.
But again, in the privacy of your own home, you can have this kind of therapy.
And also, think about there are many people, especially more elderly people, who maybe are homebound or recovering from an injury or are unable to walk safely outside.
Especially for those people, this kind of device can bring them photons at these wavelengths that they otherwise could not get at all.
Yeah.
Well, hopefully we can change that.
You know, I would really love to see us to start building hospitals where you can go outside and get sunlight as part of being in a hospital instead of being slended away from that.
Right, right.
I know.
Those are called the solariums, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And especially obviously in the COVID era, too, people, it was driving me crazy.
People would go to the beach and you'd see them getting in trouble.
I mean, that's probably was like the best place you could possibly be during a pandemic in the sun.
I mean, sunlight is the best disinfectant.
And also those beneficial wavelengths of light.
And we didn't even talk about ultraviolet light too, which is super important for vitamin D. And something like one billion people are deficient in vitamin D. Oh, it's incredible.
And also, I read a study recently that being exposed to sunlight improves your eye health and your vision, even if your eyes are closed, because the rays are penetrating and activating cells elsewhere around your ocular regions.
So there are all kinds of benefits to that.
Well, and it's funny.
So we generally recommend people wear the glasses.
And that's just to err on the side of caution because the lights are very bright.
But I remember I had a scientist in the early years reach out to me and I had a long phone conversation with him and he was yelling at me, telling me that I was depriving people of the brain benefits of the light because he said that he argued that that's the path of least resistance to get the red and the infrared to the brain is through the ocular cavity.
True.
what he was telling me.
But infrared will actually penetrate through bone.
So 810 nanometers, low 800 to mid-800 nanometer near-infrared will actually go through the skull and will reach the brain.
That's right.
So we have a helmet, which is 810 nanometers, which is specifically designed for brain health.
And the interesting thing about the brain is the brain doesn't get exposed to a lot of light, you know, because it is covered by the skull and hair.
So you don't need a lot to really move the needle.
It's very sensitive to light.
So if you can get a little bit there, there's reason to believe that you could actually make a difference in brain health.
Wow, I didn't see a helmet.
That sounds fun.
You haven't gotten it.
We've got two different types.
We have a hair growth helmet, which is red lasers, and then we've got a brain helmet, which is near-infrared LEDs.
Okay, interesting.
Well, I guess we'll have to figure out how to add that to our cart, but I would put it on and pretend to be magneto.
Yeah.
Protects you from psychic attacks.
No.
Let me turn on this device here.
Now, I'm going to close my eyes just for a moment because it is super bright, but I want our audience to see how bright this is.
So I am going to hit go on this sucker here.
And whoa, power that on.
Okay.
So now my eyes are adjusting.
It's pretty bright.
Yeah.
And let me just aim it at the camera here so people can see.
Boom.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
You're driving out the whole camera.
Yeah.
So it's very, it's intense.
Now, let me turn it off here.
It's got its own really rugged metal frame.
Let me show the back here.
It's got its own cooling fan.
So this is a very rugged device.
This isn't like cheap plastic.
This is a metal frame, metal stand with a hinge.
You can set it up in different configurations.
You know, thick power cord.
It's got its own display here on the side, right there.
I don't know if we can zoom.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm covering your face again.
My bad.
There we go.
But this display, and then you can choose all kinds of different options.
Can you walk us through some of the key features of this particular panel?
So there's six wavelengths in that panel: 590 nanometers, which is yellow, 630 amber, 660 red.
And then there are three near-infrared wavelengths, 810, 830, 850.
And so we, this goes back to research that I uncovered about a couple of years into this where, you know, the main chromophore that's thought to be at issue in the mitochondria is called cytochrome C oxidase.
And so there actually are four different points or four different peak action spectra for cytochrome C oxidase.
And so, and there's 620, 670, 760, which you don't really see too much in the research, and then 830 nanometers.
And so we were one of the first to add in these wavelengths, which better target the peak action spectra, which is kind of logical.
And it wasn't until after I read the paper that I realized that a lot of the companies, you know, the origins of the red light therapy industry were using 660 nanometer red, 850 nanometer near-infrared.
And that was because those, that's what was available.
660 nanometers LED chips were used in grow lights and 850 nanometers is used in the security camera industry.
So it was just a supply chain issue.
It really wasn't driven by science.
It was just, you know, that's what we could get.
And so now we've learned.
And so we've added these other wavelengths in to better target cytochrome C oxidase.
And then there's other things like 590 nanometers has been shown to increase nitric oxide in the skin.
There's studies on 590 nanometers in melasma, which is a common concern.
So we wanted to have a broad spectral coverage within the optical window.
And then you've got different modes where you can use all red or all near-infrared.
There's a dimmer.
We have an alarm function.
If you want to put it on your nightstand and have the nice warm red glow wake you up in the morning, we've added that as well.
Oh, that's actually really important.
That helps wake you up the way nature intended.
Right.
And rather than having a blaring alarm clock, which is not the way that nature intended by any stretch.
What else do we have in there?
And then like you said, I'm very proud of the build quality.
This is the type of thing you buy it.
As long as you keep it in a, you know, not in a hot environment or not in an overly cold environment, like more or less room temperature and not in a superhuman environment, it should last many, many years.
And so you can think of it as an investment, but it's something that will serve you for a long time.
Well, we know that the LEDs aren't going to burn out.
I mean, those are going to last a lifetime.
They do.
They do.
I mean, the useful life is something like 50,000 hours.
And I think I did the math if you used it.
It's something like 17 years or something if you used it all day.
It's going to last a long time.
And so it's a terrible business to be in from that standpoint.
There's no planned obsolescence built into the devices.
But I'm very proud of the build quality.
When you pick that thing up, I want you to be like, wow, this thing is built really well.
And I think that we've accomplished that.
It is.
And I always like really rugged devices, well-made devices that I could count on.
And yours clearly qualifies.
And I want to mention, if you go to our website again, healthrangerstore.com/slash redlight, that you can get these starting at about $450.
So it's a reasonable entry into this that can significantly deliver the photons that you need.
And of course, there are different models available that go up in price from there, just depending on what size you want, et cetera.
But what do you recommend in terms of usage duration for a typical person?
What should they count on doing here?
Like how many minutes a day is morning best?
What do you recommend?
So that's an interesting question.
I don't know that we know the best time of day.
You know, I would say anytime that the sun is above the horizon, you're getting infrared.
So anytime during the day, I think would be fine.
I do think personally, it's a nice way to wake up.
So I do like to use it in the morning.
I notice I drink less coffee personally when I'm using the lights in the morning.
I do 10 minutes, although I have, I'm very blessed when it comes to my light setup.
I've got a two at my house, I have two huge body size setups, front and back.
So I'm able to illuminate the front and back of my body head to toe.
And I do that for 10 minutes.
Here in the office, I have a bed because we also have a very high quality medical grade bed.
That's $29,000.
But it's a beautiful bed.
And I'm very fortunate to be able to use that during the week.
I usually use that around lunchtime because I use the bed and then I have a narrowband UVB light that I use right after that.
And I like to use the narrowband UVB light at noon because that's when nature would be delivering UVB to my body.
So I do, so my during the week protocol is bed at noon and then the UVB lamp right after.
But generally speaking, with our devices, 10 minutes on the area of concern is plenty.
I think generally in the research, you want to be somewhere between anywhere between six joules of energy for sensitive area like the eyes, up to 60 joules of energy for deep tissue, maybe an injury recovery.
And our devices put out roughly three joules per minute.
So 10 minutes is about 30 joules.
And so that's right in the middle of that range.
And you can kind of play with that.
You know, if it's a sensitive area, maybe a little bit less.
If you've got an injury or something, an acute issue that you're trying to get over, maybe go up to 20 minutes and do 60 joules.
But that's a pretty good guideline.
And in seven years, the actual about one in 1,000 people report some sensitivity to the light.
Usually it's just redness of the skin that goes away when you stop using it.
So it's quite safe.
And at what distance were those joules calculated?
Six inches.
So we test every light in a lab at six inches.
Okay.
Rough rule of thumb, if you go from six to 12, the intensity drops off about 20%.
And if you go from 12 to 18, it drops off another 20%.
So if you want it to stand further back, I would just say maybe increase the time by 20%.
I see.
Okay.
All right.
That's good to know.
All right.
Thanks for all that information.
That's really good.
I want to ask you about our society.
Western civilization has been conducting what I would call a war on light.
Right?
I mean, it's the only way to describe it.
It's a war on light.
So we've been told for decades that the sun is evil and that it will kill you and that you have to do everything to block the sun.
You got to put on more clothing, more layers.
You need all kinds of hats.
And by the way, I've noticed that I live in rural Texas and all the farmers that wear hats all the time, they're all more hair loss than people who don't wear hats, right?
So that's an issue.
Even in my own family, I noticed that some of my relatives who obviously share my genes, I've got more hair than they do because I intentionally do not wear hats.
I just get more sunlight on.
But it's way beyond that.
The war on light is also, everybody wants to slather on sunscreen, which is highly toxic with these horrible cancer-causing fragrance chemicals.
And then, of course, during COVID, we were told, oh, you have to be indoors, that it's dangerous to be outside.
And then we have the whole incandescent lights being banned and replaced with these toxic, flickering, fluorescent lights, which are, you know, have all these bad frequencies.
So what the hell, man?
Why is our government at war with light?
Well, that's a great question.
So I mean, I think I could answer that.
I mean, probably the most generous interpretation of what's going on is that, you know, we need to be energy efficient and we need to adopt these technologies, which are super energy efficient.
And fluorescents and LEDs, the LEDs that they use in ambient lighting are quite energy efficient.
Now, I think fluorescents need to go away.
And I think that the problem with LEDs, at least as far as they're used with ambient lighting, can be solved with more LEDs.
And so that's something actually that I'm working on on the side, because you're right.
Even the LED light that incandescents essentially are a more natural form of light.
They emit light through blackbody radiation, just like the sun, and they emit infrared.
And infrared, as we've just discussed, is very important for our biology.
And so I believe that by taking the incandescence out and putting these blue LEDs, these blue-white LEDs, which I can explain a little bit in more detail, that we are not doing our biology any favors.
We are robbing, it was a source of infrared that, again, we would be out in the sun getting this all day.
At least through the 50s through the 90s, we were inside with incandescence getting some infrared from the incandescent bulbs.
Now we've gone to fluorescence and LEDs and now the fluorescence, the infrared is completely gone.
And also pretty much red light is gone too.
The way that those blue LEDs, excuse me, the white ambient LEDs work, it's actually a blue LED and then a blue LED which shines through what's called a yellow phosphor.
It's basically yellow coating.
And that yellow plus blue makes green.
It's kind of green and then just enough of orange where our brain perceives that as white light, but it's fake white light, right?
Like true full spectrum white light is all parts of the rainbow.
And it's, you know, and if you look at a spectrograph, it looks just like the sun.
And if you look at a spectrograph of a white LED, it's a sharp spike of blue and then a kind of a lower hill of green and a little bit of orange and yellow.
Brain perceives that as white, but that is super foreign to our biology.
And I strongly believe that it is not the best for our health.
Having said that, it is super energy efficient.
So what if we could use LEDs to fill in those gaps and have a more full spectrum light and still have the energy efficiency?
That would be the best of both worlds.
And that's what I'm trying to figure out.
But it's harder than it sounds.
And so I've been working on it for a couple of years.
And it's hard because LEDs are narrow band and to get this kind of full spectrum output, you know, it's taking some work.
But it's something that is needed and that I'm working on.
See, that's right there.
That's, I mean, that's a billion-dollar business.
If you could create LED light bulbs that output all the near-infrared or possibly even infrared.
I mean, wow.
I mean, who wouldn't want to buy those if they're aware of these issues?
Yes.
And that's part of what we need to do is raise awareness too, because I think we can have archaic anita too in the sense that, again, the problem with LEDs can be solved with more LEDs and really just filling out that spectrum.
And then, you know, there's debate in the scientific community about how much infrared do you need.
My personal opinion is that pretty much up to 1,000 nanometers is where you want to go.
Above that, it's wasteful.
It turns into heat.
So I think we can do it.
And I agree with you.
It's a huge opportunity, which is why I'm working on it.
But also, it's really just, it's a problem that needs to be solved.
And that's the main reason I'm working on it.
I love that idea.
Yeah.
And I'd love to partner with you on promoting that if you get prototypes or anything like that.
I mean, wow, I instantly see what a big deal that is.
All right, let's pivot a little bit here and let's talk about skin color.
So obviously, melanin in the skin is a natural protection against UV radiation.
And so people whose ethnicity or their ancestry came from areas closer to the equator, they needed that extra protection because they had so much sunlight.
So folks, this is why Hispanics have darker skin than white people.
White people actually, over time, their bodies got rid of the darkness in their skin because they needed the extra vitamin D because they were living in northern latitudes, right?
But if you look at somebody and their skin is darker, their ancestry came from areas with much more sunlight, right?
But now then people with darker skin live indoors.
And imagine like a black man living in Canada or something.
He's getting a tiny fraction of the sunlight that his ancestors got, which was the right amount.
So now that person especially is incredibly light deficient.
And I'm not just talking about vitamin D deficiency and prostate cancer risk, which is a huge issue among African Americans.
But I'm talking about just the light deficiency of the light penetrating your skin.
So what do you know about skin color or melanin content versus the penetration of these optical wavelengths?
Well, there are a few main chromophores in the human body that absorb light.
And one of them, as you mentioned, is melanin.
And actually melanin does absorb amber and red light pretty substantially.
And so one of the things that we, this is actually one of the things that's, again, I'm working on or trying to understand a little bit better, is that if you actually look at the absorption curve of the different wavelengths of light, you see melanin as a chromophore.
And so people that have darker skin, they experience red light therapy.
They feel a little bit more heat in their skin because their melanin is absorbing that red light.
And so to me, logically on balance, those folks probably want more infrared because the melanin absorption drops off as you get into the near-infrared part of the spectrum.
And so I think that it's very similar to how they don't get as much benefit.
They need more UV to get the same vitamin D output because the melanin is absorbing the UV.
It's the same thing with red light.
And so on balance, they probably should be using more infrared because that's actually what's going to penetrate past the melanin and actually act on the tissues.
Now, we're doing our best to kind of gather data.
And we have an app.
You don't have to use the app when you use the device, but if you do, we ask some intake questions.
And my hope is to kind of prove this out over time and then have more specific recommendations depending on user characteristics and what they're trying to use the light for.
And so obviously, the skin type would be something we want to know.
You know, that's really interesting.
Again, I'd love to just dialogue with you about this.
But my rule of thumb understanding that I'll share with the audience, and again, this is subject to a lot more research, but the darker your skin, my understanding is that you have one benefit and then you have one drawback.
The darker your skin, the more time you would need, most likely, in my understanding, to get the same effects from the light.
But the advantage is that the darker your skin, the melanin also blocks EMF.
So you have better natural protection against 5G and other kinds of electromagnetic fields.
Like the melanin actually helps block those as well.
And I don't know exactly what frequencies, this is an area that needs to be studied, but I've seen some early studies on this and it's amazing to me.
So in other words, if you are a super white, fair-skinned person who burns easily, okay, you're probably also highly, highly vulnerable to electromagnetic fields and electromagnetic pollution.
But you could get benefits with a lot less time in front of a red light therapy device compared to someone with darker skin.
What do you think about this?
Well, I agree.
I mean, I don't know about the sensitivity to EMFs, but I wonder if anybody studied that.
I mean, there is a population.
I mean, there's actually electrohyper hypersensitivity.
They're a population of people that have been hurt, like maybe they lived under a cell tower for a while, and then now they're permanently sensitive to that.
And I do believe that that is a...
And they're all white people.
I would have...
I would imagine so.
I'm just wondering if anybody studied the demographics to kind of prove out your point.
There's actually a study.
There's a recent study about melanin blocking EMFs that I think Natural News is covering that right now.
But I need to look into that in more detail.
But I remember seeing more reason to get a sun and get a tan going.
Yeah.
Because we are swimming in these EMFs.
Well, that's one of the, yeah, I mean, you're reading my mind.
So to someone who is fair-skinned, it's important to actually get the light, become more tan, and there can be benefits versus EMF pollution when you're more tan.
Now, the other thing I want to mention, I mean, that right there is a whole field of science that's just fascinating.
Skin color, you know, versus protection against all kinds of electromagnetism.
But then some like the photons from your devices, you want to come in, right?
So it's a question of balance.
But the other thing I want to bring up is the importance of good nutrition when you are deliberately exposing yourself to light.
So, for example, sunlight, there are many things that you can take nutritionally that help your body defend itself against excessive ultraviolet radiation.
For example, one of those things is astaxanthin, microalgae.
It's well known for that.
But there are other nutrients that are photoactivated.
And this is an area of nutrition.
And I want to ask you about if you've looked into your device with photoactivation, but I know that quercetin is photoactivated, and that's critical for creating the zinc ionophore to drive zinc into your cells to halt so-called virus replication.
Curcumin from Turmerica is also photoactivated.
And there are many other, there are phycocyanins and so on from spirulina that are photoactivated.
So what do you know about your device combined with photoactivated nutrition?
Is this like a therapeutic approach that people can use to leverage or magnify the benefits of your devices?
Potentially.
I think certainly it's an exciting thing for me to think about in terms from a product development standpoint because where my head goes is how can I better serve my customers?
And what I want to do is where does that lead me?
It leads me to think of what can I do to make the light have a more bigger impact on their biology.
And so there are a couple of ways that I think about this.
One is that we know that red light therapy works at complex four of the electron transport chain and mitochondrial energy production.
And so in theory, if you could do anything that would improve the efficiency of complex one, two, and three, then that would be synergistic with red light.
And so one of the things that's in the literature is something like methylene blue, which I think helps with complex one and three.
And so there are people in the biohacking space that take methylene blue before they use red light.
And that seems like a logical thing to do.
On the skincare side of things, you know, we've looked at a couple things and we're actually launching a skincare product, which specifically designed to harness and improve the benefits of the light.
And one of the ingredients is actually spirulina.
Spirulina is a powerful antioxidant, but it's also, like you said, it's got the phycocyanin.
And it actually, and it has a greenish, bluish-greenish pigment.
And when the short wavelengths lights pass through it, remember how before I said when a blue light goes through a yellow phosphor, it actually emits green.
It actually spreads the wavelengths out.
It re-emits that light at a longer wavelength.
Spirulina does the exact same thing.
It's called a Stokes phase shift, and it takes short-wavelength light and re-emits it at longer red wavelengths.
So the light goes deeper into your skin.
It's pretty cool.
So this is why it's an ingredient in the skincare product.
We're launching it a couple of months.
It's also a powerful antioxidant.
And the thought process there is that it might make sense to have endogenous antioxidants in your skin when you use red light.
Because again, we know that it increases mitochondrial output, mitochondrial energy production, but there's no free launch in biological systems.
There's an cone commitment increase in reactive oxygen species.
Now, in general, it's considered a hormatic stressor and a good thing.
Your body upregulates its own antioxidant, anti-inflammatory pathways.
But maybe you would get more of a net benefit if you had a few more antioxidants like astaxanthin or spirulina or green tea available in the skin right before you use red light.
And we did a small product study a couple years ago where we saw that.
We did a split face study.
Half of the people, half the face just got red light and half, we did a high antioxidant skin serum and then the red light.
And the side of the face that was preconditioned with the antioxidant serum had better results from the red light.
So that is also in the skin serum that we're launching.
There are also such things, I mean, I could talk about this all day, but there's also such things as light-activated DNA repair enzymes.
And so they're sourced from plankton.
And so those are in our skin serum.
So literally when they're activated by light.
So there's a lot of different paths we could go down.
We're starting with skincare because 70% of our customers tell us that they buy the red light for skin health.
So that seems like a logical place to start.
Sure.
But certainly I'm going to go down the path of, you know, is there some sort of supplement that we could design that would very mindfully augment the benefits.
And so that would be, I don't know if you have any ideas, I'm certainly open to that.
It's on the product development pipeline.
Love to talk to you about this after the show.
And if you're skincare in line, as long as you don't use any added fragrance, that's something we would be interested in looking at.
But of course, I have a lot of knowledge on the nutrition side.
And our AI engine at Briteon.ai has been trained on all of this, including on methylene blue and all kinds of millions of science papers on phytochemistry.
And that's where I even learned that methylene blue blocks glutamate receptors and protects you from MSG.
It was from my AI engine told me that.
I was like, wow, I didn't even know that.
But the other thing that's really interesting about this is that these photoactivated substances are themselves typically they appear with very vibrant colors, but that makes perfect sense when you understand how light works.
Right, right, right.
They're interacting with light.
Yeah.
Fascinating.
And yeah, I mean, methylene blue, a very dark blue.
Spirulina is also a very dark blue-green.
Or turmeric.
Look at the orange, right?
Or the anthocyanas, look at the deep dark blacks and purples that are in berries and so on.
Or like you said, the microalgae, spirulina, chlorella, blue-green algae, these all have, and actually many of those molecules also fluoresce when hit with certain wavelengths.
So fluorescence is kind of like what you were just describing there.
So it can shift the wavelengths and then re-broadcast into different wavelengths, right?
That's fluorescence.
So this is a fascinating science here.
Yes, and it's so fun to think about, especially with AI, like with we can be able to parse these things out and we can really speed up the product development pipeline and really speed up the testing of these things to really to come out with really innovative products that you know that help people.
Yeah.
Well, I'll tell you this.
I think the future of what you're doing, what we're doing, what all of us are doing is photoactivated nutrition, photoactivated skincare or nutrition for the skin.
And we have to integrate light into all of this because light is that missing component.
Because think about this.
Like if I told somebody how to eat the perfect diet, but if they lived in their basement and never saw the sun, would they be healthy?
No.
We know what they would look like.
They would be frail and pale.
Absolutely.
They would look like Smeagel in the cave, right?
And that's not healthy.
So yeah, you can think you have the healthiest diet in the world, and maybe you do.
But until you have the photoactivation of your body, your cells, your mitochondria, then that missing component is such a huge piece.
You can never get to your perfect health expression without light, period.
So let there be light.
I totally agree.
But I am a little biased, but it is the reason why I started this company seven years ago is I really, well, over a decade ago, I really started to understand the importance of light.
And obviously I'm still learning and there's so much that we're uncovering, so much that we're learning about how light interacts in the body, how different wavelengths of light affect the body.
So it's super, it's a great time to be alive from that standpoint.
We have a lot of problems, don't get me wrong.
But I'm super excited about where we can go.
And I think it's only a matter of time before every home has some sort of red light pod or some sort of light pod in their home.
My futuristic version is it will scan you, do real-time diagnostics on what's going on in your body, and then hit you with the precise wavelengths of light that your body needs in that moment.
That's kind of my futuristic version of what we'll have someday.
And I'm slowly working my way there with the technology I have available to me in the moment and trying to develop these things.
But that's, I think, where we'll get eventually.
Yeah, absolutely.
They've even given light deficiency.
They've given it disease names.
So the seasonal affective disorder.
Correct.
It's just light deficiency.
But then they say, well, you need these chemicals.
You need these antidepressant drugs because you're bummed out in the rainy season.
Well, maybe you're just missing light.
You know, I mean, most chronic degenerative diseases are caused by either deficiencies or toxic exposures in almost every case.
So they've done this.
But it's just so bizarre to me.
And maybe it's because there's not really a repeat business model.
Like, you know, they can keep selling antidepressants to the same people over and over again, and they never get cured of depression.
But you can't keep selling the same light to people over and over again.
They only need one unless they want a bigger one, but the one works every day.
So it's not really like a high profit pharma business model just to keep people sick.
Unfortunately, that's true.
And that's unfortunately a sad testament to the world we live in in the moment.
Isn't it, though?
But, you know, hopefully we can do our part to change that.
And, you know, and I wouldn't be where I am were it not for the pain and suffering that I went through when I was younger.
And so, you know, I just, I think that's just part of it.
You know, we're just, I think humanity is just going, and to me, COVID was the nater.
But I like to think that humanity goes through cycles of authoritarianism and freedom, ignorance and enlightenment.
You know, we kind of like to go back and forth between these things.
And for me, I hope COVID was the nader and the darkness and that we're on the upswing and that we're, you know, more and more people are waking up.
They're understanding that there are some serious problems with the conventional medical model.
When people say it's broken, I disagree.
I think it's functioning as designed to maximize profits.
So I don't think it's broken at all.
I think it's actually a very well-oiled machine in that regard.
But the flip side is we went through a really tough time.
And I think people are waking up and businesses like ours are doing well because people are taking matters into their own hands and educating themselves.
And certainly you've had a big part in doing that.
And we try to educate as well.
And so we'll just keep doing that and try to keep the momentum.
You know, in fact, in Canada now, you can be arrested and thrown in prison for walking in the forest.
No, they said it's too dry and people who walk might start fires.
And therefore, you're not allowed to walk in the forest.
So I pushed out a little video yesterday.
I'll have my editor put it on the end here of where I work out.
So my gym is in a forest.
I've got my dipped bars, my push-ups, and all my kettlebells and my bicycle.
And I ride the bike to the forest.
And then I pump the kettlebells in the forest after I run.
I basically do kind of like a marathon.
I like run, bike, and lift weights in nature.
So I'm getting sunshine the whole time.
And I wouldn't have it any other way, you know?
Well, interesting thing.
They know forest bathing, and they've known this for a long time.
Forest bathing is good.
People heal faster when they spend time in the forest.
And it's the reason why my background is what it is.
There's just healing energy from the forest.
But interestingly enough, infrared light reflects off of the color green.
So you're actually kind of getting a double dose.
You can get infrared light as it rains down from you on the sun, but then when it reflects up off of the green, and I do happen to think that's part of the reason why forest bathing is so good for us.
Well, that's really interesting too.
Yeah.
Well, and also like my kettlebells, they're conductive because they're iron and they're on the ground.
So they're touching the dirt.
And then so when I'm picking up the kettlebells, I'm grounding also.
Just even though I'm wearing shoes, I'm still grounding by, you know, gripping the kettlebells.
But getting back to nature is so crucial.
I mean, really what we have in society is so much of a nature deficiency.
And that's where your product line helps to fill the gaps.
And I just want to thank you for creating this series.
And let me ask you, what's the easiest product for people to start with if they're wanting to explore this at the lowest entry level cost, let's say, that's still effective?
What would you recommend?
So I do like the tabletops like this just because, and actually we have a version.
One of the things I've tried to do is just give people options.
So we actually have a tabletop version that's as low as 249.
It only has the two wavelengths, kind of the OG red light therapy wavelengths.
Then we have another version that's 369, which does have four wavelengths.
And then this one is 449, the one you showed earlier.
And then we have another version, which is 549.
So I've got wide array, even in just the tabletop size.
This is such a great entry level.
You can use it all around the body.
If you're on a really tight budget, there you go.
There's the ProPlus 369.
That's got the four wavelengths.
It's got the four wavelengths, better targeting, cytochrome C oxidase.
It's top sellers because our customers, again, they're using it for skin, so face and neck, right?
The decollete area, which I learned after starting this business, what a decollete was.
But also, you can use it all around the body if you want to use it on your ankle or your lower back.
And in theory, you could do full body red light.
You would just have to invest the time to do that, 10 minutes per section.
But if you really, if you just want to try it, if you're skeptical, which a fair amount of people still are skeptical, they don't understand the science, just try it.
We have a 60-day trial.
If you're not happy, send it back.
We just give you all your money back.
And just see, see what you notice.
I think one of the things that is just shocking to me that people tell me all the time that they're sleeping better, even when they use something small like this, it's fascinating to me that you're using this for 10 minutes on your face, in your head, and your neck, and you're sleeping better.
It's like, how the hell is that happening?
Because I would have thought you need like full body exposure to really kind of move the needle for sleep, but that's not what some people tell us.
And even if the only thing you notice was better sleep, that is a huge benefit, right?
Because sleep is so important.
So this is a great place to start.
But obviously, I'm a diehard red light guy.
So I would say once you are convinced and you're noticing that you're feeling better or sleeping better or whatever it is that you notice, I would say get the largest light that you can within your budget because you want to shine in as much of your body as you possibly can in a reasonable amount of time.
Absolutely.
And then I will add, use it naked.
You know, I mean, yeah, you don't want anything to block the light.
And then my last thing, I'll just add, and we'll wrap this up.
Thank you for your time today.
It's been really fascinating.
We should definitely talk after this because we need to think about the interaction of light and nutrition.
But that's my just word of advice to our audience here, which is if you use red light therapy, also make sure that you are taking in these high pigment nutrients from foods, superfoods, and herbs.
Because even though our information is relatively early in this space, we do know that photoactivation is a real phenomenon.
We don't yet know all the benefits of it, but it definitely can't hurt you to have great nutrition and red light therapy together.
And there may be a powerful synergistic effect.
So I would use them in conjunction and then watch what results you get.
That's my rule of thumb.
Yeah, and I would love to start doing some studies on this.
This would be really, you know, because part of the reason I started the company is because I want to live to 120 and feel great and watch my great-grandkids run around.
And so anything that we can do that's going to improve health span is on the table for us.
And so developing a supplement or really understanding the optimal time and dose for all of these different applications, you know, I mean, it's blue ocean for us.
And so love to talk to you about, you know, any sort of product development or clinical studies we might be able to do.
You know, we're at that stage where I think we can really make some big breakthroughs with just with just the right amount of focus and effort.
Definitely.
And we have the AI engine to help us do the initial research to find out what's worth testing too.
So it's like these factors have never been together before in history.
So I look forward to talking with you more after this interview.
It was nice to meet you today.
Thank you for all that you're doing.
It's really fascinating.
Thank you.
I really enjoyed speaking with you.
Again, I've followed your work for 20 years now.
Wow.
So thank you for everything that you've done.
And, you know, you've been a voice for medical freedom and just educating people about the importance of nutrition.
And so thank you for that.
And please keep it up.
Well, I certainly plan to and love to find out about your research into the home lights.
Again, I mean, that's a huge potential to help people get more photoactivation in their own homes, even if they don't step foot outside.
And who knows?
We might be locked down again, especially if you live in Australia, New Zealand, or the UK or Canada.
Like the tyrannical governments there, they love to tell everybody to lock down.
You can't go outside.
It's dangerous outside.
Meanwhile, I'm running around naked in a forest with kettlebells and a Glock.
It's like, this isn't dangerous.
This is the way God intended.
Anyway, it's all kinds of fun.
But thank you so much, Scott.
It's been a blast.
Thanks, Ben.
All right.
Take care.
And for all of you watching, if you want to check out these products for yourself, we have them at our store, healthrangerstore.com slash red light.
All one word, no space or anything, just slash red light.
That will take you to the page of all the Mito red light products.
So there are many different ones to choose from.
And I do recommend if you want to try one, get at minimum this $369 model, which has the four wavelengths, because there are additional physiological benefits from those additional wavelengths.
But try it out.
Again, a 60-day guarantee.
If you don't like it, you can get your money back.
But very few people don't like it once they experience the benefits.
And thank you for watching today.
I'm Mike Adams, the Health Ranger here at Brytown.com.
And I think I'm going to turn this sucker on again to say goodbye.
Here we go.
Getting more light today.
Take care, everybody.
Thanks for watching.
Hey, everybody.
Look, it's the bunny gobbler.
Hey there.
Come on, bunny gobbler.
How you doing today?
You find any bunnies to gobble?
Hey, I wanted to show you.
This is a message for all of you in Canada where you can't even walk out in a forest without being arrested.
This is my forest gym right here.
This is Mike Adams.
Of course, I've got all my kettlebells here.
This is my multi-exercise station.
Almost done for today.
Got natural sunshine, got trees, leaves, dirt.
And then I ride my trike out here, get this done.
And of course, since this is Texas, not Canada, we also bring our Glocks.
We got Glocks and Rocks.
And even since it's a private gym, you can work out in dad socks.
That's right, because nobody's here.
It's just you and Mother Nature and God.
You can get your workout done without being accosted by a tyrannical state with your Glocks, your rocks, and your black daddy socks.
All right.
Have fun, everybody.
God bless Texas.
God bless America.
Take care.
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