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July 14, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Dr. Teresa Mahaffey and pharmacist Liz Thompson share shocking revelations about medical "homicide"
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All right, welcome everybody.
This is Mike Adams of Brighteon.com and we are joined today by two extraordinary people who have witnessed some very disturbing and some important things that we all need to talk about in the health freedom movement.
Now, as you may be aware, a couple of weeks ago I interviewed Stephen and Jana Ben-Noon, who they filed a civil claim against former Dr. Carrie Medea, who later gave up her medical license voluntarily in the state of Georgia.
And in that court proceeding, which took several years, the court ultimately ruled in this wrongful death suit, ruled that Carrie Medea was responsible for the death of the father of Yana Ben-Noon and awarded the family $1.3 million, including $1 million in punitive damages.
In addition, in that interview, we revealed that an autopsy showed that the cause of death or the manner of death was declared by the autopsy report as being homicide, and that in that autopsy report, it mentions the intervention by Dr. Kerry Meday of both nebulized or orally inhaled hydrogen peroxide and then also intravenous introduction of hydrogen peroxide.
I believe that was 21 milliliters at a 3% food grade H2O2 solution.
So here to help us understand all of this, and this story is very, very deep and it's very disturbing.
It's also a warning to everybody about maintaining your rationality, even if you choose a non-conventional doctor.
We're going to talk about that as well.
But joining us are Dr. Teresa Ann Mahaffey, who is an MD, a pediatrician.
Welcome, Dr. Mahaffey.
Thank you.
And also Liz Thompson, who is a doctor of pharmacy.
She's a practicing pharmacist with a specialty in compounding pharmacies.
And welcome, Liz Thompson.
It's great to have you here.
Thank you, Mike.
All right, fantastic.
So let's start with a little bit of just background of how each of you are familiar with this case, just so that we can understand the greater context.
Let me start with Dr. Mahaffey.
Dr. May I call you Teresa for the interview?
Is that okay?
Absolutely.
Okay.
You are an allopathically trained physician.
You currently volunteer at a children's home, as I understand it.
You have a background in pediatrician medicine.
How do you...
Yeah, so I've known Yana and Steve for approximately 25 years.
Yana was my children's piano teacher here in Pensacola area.
And after they moved to Tennessee, well, they actually moved to the Czech Republic for a while, which is where she's from.
And then to Tennessee, we lost touch a little bit.
And recently, approximately three years ago, I was actually a member of the medical freedom group here in the Pensacola area.
I was treating COVID with hydroxychloroquine and the COVID pack that was included Zithromax, vitamin C, vitamin D. And because of my approach to the treatment of COVID, the Medical Freedom Group was a very good group for me.
I even spoke at one of their rallies.
And that's when I met Yana and Steve again down here in Pensacola.
And after that, again, we kind of lost touch because they moved to Tennessee.
And then Yana called me in mid 2022 to let me know what happened to her father here in Pensacola in December of 2021.
And that's when I became involved in the case.
And what was your first impression of what happened?
I mean, the fact that Yana's father died following this intervention.
Right.
I knew Yana's father.
He was a very healthy man, even at the age of 80.
He was a wonderful man who helped Yana so much with her children.
He loved to garden.
And when she told me that he had died at the hands of these doctors, I couldn't believe it.
Not only could I not believe the fact that he died, I couldn't believe the manner in which he died, which was a horrific end of life with pain and a lot of suffering.
It is a very sad story that we are delving into today, but there are very important lessons in this.
Thank you for that, Dr. Mahaffey.
Let me bring in Liz Thompson.
So Liz, what is your involvement in this case or the context of how you got involved?
The context of how I got involved is I have been a follower of Stephen Yana's content on Israeli News Live for about 10 years.
And they reached out to me via email.
I had actually contacted them initially because they were doing a series on people who had come out of Christian Zionism.
So I contacted them and then said, I'd love to tell my story.
So I went on and they interviewed me on that topic.
And then we spoke afterwards.
And I told them I was a pharmacist and I had looked into hydrogen peroxide therapy in relation to Mr. Souto's death.
And then they decided to interview me regarding that.
Yana interviewed me and that's how I got involved.
And also just my experience as a compounding pharmacist.
So your expertise is involving not just, let's say, concentrations that are appropriate For compounding various molecules, but also interactions between things, obviously, as your training would entail, correct?
Sure, drug interactions, yes.
And physiological effects and so on.
Of course.
Let me remind our audience that hydrogen peroxide, even though you typically buy it in a very diluted form at retail, it's actually a very potent oxidizing agent.
It's used as rocket fuel in higher concentrations.
And if you were to acquire, let's say, 70% hydrogen peroxide, if you were unfortunate enough to pour it on your hand, you would suffer extreme burns.
Is that all correct, Teresa?
Am I stating that correctly?
Right.
So let's talk then about the treatment that the court decided.
Now, this was a court in Tennessee, I believe it was Morgan County, decided that Dr. Kerry Meday, or former Dr. Kerry Medea, was responsible for the death of Yana's father through the administration of both oral hydrogen peroxide inhalation and intravenous hydrogen peroxide at a specific dose that we can talk about.
This resulted in, quote, multi-organ failure, according to the autopsy report.
So, Dr. Mahaffey, do you have experience of people using hydrogen peroxide either orally or intravenously?
And if so, at what concentrations?
No, I don't.
I mean, that's just not something we do in allopathic medicine.
Right.
And why?
Why is that not done in allopathic medicine?
Because it's dangerous.
And if you don't have the right concentration, you know, I see that it is used in small concentrations and there have been some positive effects.
I'm not 100% against it, but I will say the concentrations that were used in this case were deadly.
I mean, in pediatrics, we use it to clean wounds.
That's basically it.
Right.
So a topical application.
What percentage, like a 3%, could be used topically?
Right.
But to inhale, you know, the lung tissues are very delicate, right?
Right.
Compared to skin, obviously.
The inhalation, which do you think was more dangerous, the inhalation or the intravenous introduction?
At that point, probably the inhalation because the concentration was so high.
And Liz can speak to that.
But the epithelium in the throat, in the mouth, all of that, the lungs, it would be just damaged beyond repair.
Wow.
So scar tissue, massive scar tissue formation inside the lungs.
Yeah, exactly.
Which would, of course, make it very difficult to exchange oxygen with the air from that point forward.
So Liz, can you walk us through then the concentration of the nebulized hydrogen peroxide that was introduced to this patient and how that compares to what might be in the medical literature?
Sure.
Okay.
So in terms of the nebulized protocol, I found one study in the peer-reviewed medical literature.
It's a case series.
It was actually peer-reviewed.
It's a case series that was done in Mexico City.
And it involved 23 patients that were treated with COVID.
And this is in 2021.
And they were treated with hydrogen peroxide either with a mouthwash or ingested orally or through a nebulizer.
And so the protocol that was used was 0.7 ml of 0.2% hydrogen peroxide in 10 to 30 mils of water.
So the formula that I'm using to determine the volume dilution is volume 1 times concentration 1 equals volume 2 times concentration 2.
So I'm going to use 10 milliliters because that would be the most concentrated.
So if we take 0.7 mils times 0.2% hydrogen peroxide equals 10 milliliters times C2, and we're solving for C2.
We have 10.7 milliliters, but I just used 10.
So it's the final concentration of hydrogen peroxide in that nebulizer solution was 0.014%.
Okay.
That seems pretty low.
Right.
Yeah.
Okay.
And that's what's in the medical literature, as you're saying.
That's what's in the medical literature.
There's not a lot in the medical literature, but this was peer-reviewed.
And this is probably within the realm of what's typically used.
Nebulized hydrogen peroxide is used.
It's considered an alternative therapy, but it's very low.
It's used in low concentrations.
So Carrie Made, on the other hand, used two milliliters of 3% hydrogen peroxide food grade.
And again, pharmaceutical grade should be used because food grade, hydrogen peroxide contains contaminants like tin and phosphate.
And she put that in 0.5 milliliters of water.
So if we take 2.5, or excuse me, 2 milliliters times 3% equals 2.5 times C2.
We saw for C2, we get, let's see, what was that again?
2.4%.
2.4%.
Sorry.
Okay, yeah, 2.4%.
So wait a minute.
So you said Carrie Medet took two mils of food grade H2O2 and just added half a mil of water.
That's it?
Is that half a mil of water?
That seems like a very tiny amount of water to add to.
Right.
Typically in the nebulizer, first of all, you would use saline.
It's typically normal saline, which is 0.9%, or hypertonic solution, which is 3%.
And you would use more than 5 milliliters.
I think the minimum is 3 milliliters of the saline.
And that's typically used with albuterol, the bronchy dilator.
Got it.
So if we take 2.4% and we divide that by 0.01414, we get 171.42.
So it's 171 times higher concentration.
That's what Carrie Medet used for this patient who then later died.
And so 171 times higher concentration.
The autopsy report specifically noted, let's see, tongue and respiratory tract blistering, irritation, inflammation, with white discolorations with mucosal sloth.
Dr. Mahaffey, I mean, that sounds like burn, like chemical burns to me.
Yeah, it is.
And what makes this even worse is that when Stefan arrived in Pensacola area, the doctor who initially saw him said, oh, this has got to be thrush and put him on an animal.
Oh, you're kidding me.
I'm not.
Oh, so they completely misdiagnosed it as an infection.
That's right.
Rather than a mucosal burn.
Right.
But Dr. Mahaffey, would this make it difficult or in your opinion, how difficult would this make it for this person to be able to respirate?
Very difficult.
And he wouldn't be able to eat either.
So that's a whole nother issue.
Okay, wow.
Wow.
All right.
So Liz, back to you on this.
If you, as a compounding pharmacist, if you made a mistake of 171 times higher dosage of, let's say, a typical drug, could that kill somebody?
Well, it depends on the drug, but it depends on the therapeutic.
So two factors, the therapeutic window of the drug.
Therapeutic windows, some drugs are very narrow.
Some drugs like amoxicillin are wider.
And it also depends on something called the LD50, which is called lethal dose, 50%.
I tried to look that up for hydrogen peroxide, and I could not find anything definitive.
But it depends on those two factors, but I would say for most drugs, yes.
I can't think of a drug offhand that would be benign if it was 171 times stronger.
Okay.
Well, yeah.
Thank you for that.
The disparity is too great here.
So, Dr. Mahaffey, all physicians that practice carry malpractice insurance because there are mistakes that are made, sometimes innocently made mistakes.
Does this strike you as it possibly just an oversight?
Or how could, okay, go ahead.
I don't think of this as an oversight at all.
I think, you know, it almost comes right up to deliberate.
It comes up to who in their right mind would do this as a physician.
So it's not even incompetence.
It's almost just like a willful act.
And I don't understand it at all.
Yeah, I don't either.
I mean, I think we're all in the same boat on that.
We're trying to understand this.
As our audience knows, former Dr. Carrie Medea refused to show up in court in the civil court case, and the court ruled against her in judgment.
She did, however, issue a letter stating that she was not Carrie Medea, that she was the daughter of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob of the house of Medet, which appears to be some kind of a sovereign citizen type of argument that says the laws don't apply to me.
And then she said that her being named in the lawsuit was a case of mistaken identity.
Dr. Mahaffey, are you aware of any doctors who practice medicine but pretend it's not them?
No, although when I was in medical school in Chicago, we did have a guy show up on our rounds for a whole month and he was an imposter.
But other than that, wow.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
But this takes the cake.
Okay.
This case is so far beyond normal that it leaves you just incredulous, like you can't believe it actually happened.
And that's the response that we get from most sane people that we talk to about this.
Yes.
Yeah.
Well, let me provide this additional information to the audience.
So I asked my producer to reach out to Dr. Medea numerous times and invited her on for an interview and asked her for a statement and said that I would read the statement.
She has failed, refused to provide anything to my producer, but then she told other people in the health freedom movement that she did provide me with a statement and that I refused to publish it, which is just blatantly false.
Right.
So in my mind, that starts to raise red flags about, okay, here we have somebody who is refusing to defend herself in court.
Which, well, let me go there, Dr. Mahaffey.
If you were falsely accused of making a horrible mistake that harmed someone, would you defend yourself or would you pretend you're not you?
It's just so nuts.
Yeah, I would get a lawyer and I would defend myself.
Is there any possible defense to this case that you can think of?
Zero.
Some people have mentioned that there was later an untyped blood transfusion in the later stage of organisms.
This is true.
And I researched that.
And yes, because of the effect of hydrogen peroxide on the vasculature, Stefan suffered horrific anemia.
And, you know, because that's what hydrogen peroxide does.
It kills blood cells.
And so when they realized that he was very anemic, I don't know if I can mention names, but one of the docs in the Pensacola area took Steve, who was a witness to this, to the other doc's office and had that doc's nurse take blood out of his arm.
You can see the bag.
It's an IV bag.
It's not the unit of blood.
And they brought it back to the hotel where they were, and he transfused that blood into Stefan.
No crossmatch was done.
Stefan died two days later.
So with his extremities being necrotic and black, the extent of the absolute devastation to his body.
So let me read from the autopsy report.
Some of the observations included left arm cellulitis, edema, and hand necrosis.
That's what you're referring to.
That's exactly what I'm referring to.
Episodes of hypoxemia below the 80% saturation range.
Now, I don't think people can live below the 80% range.
Not for long.
Not for long.
That was the excuse, by the way.
That 80% O2 sat was the excuse that the doctor used to bring in her friend who owned a hospice in town here.
And her excuse was he needs oxygen.
So therefore, you can bring hospice in.
I see.
However, when hospice was there, they did provide the oxygen, but they also provided morphine, telling the family that the morphine will help this man breathe better.
I've never heard that.
Really?
Because the opposite is usually true.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So in the meantime, the two docs down here had Yana, who was, as you can imagine, Yana is an incredibly intelligent woman.
They had her on Xanax around the clock.
And they put her in another hotel room and told her she was being histrionic.
While her father could not breathe and was losing his extremities.
So when he died, the hospice took his body, brought his body to a local funeral home where they tried to embalm him.
We spoke directly with the embalmer.
They tried to embalm him.
They could not get the fluid in for the amount of blood clots in his bloodstream.
Oh my.
Which actually, when we sent his body to Dr. Schultz in Tampa, it was kind of a good thing that he wasn't completely embalmed because a lot of his tissues were still viable.
But yeah, they sent him there.
And on the death certificate, when he died, they said natural causes.
There was nothing natural about this at all.
It's so infuriating because then we went over to the medical examiner's office where the body was not even seen.
There was no autopsy done on this body locally.
And we went there to question why on his death certificate did it say he died of natural causes.
And I was told by the secretary of Dr. Alesky, who is the local medical examiner, that they had four pathologists look at the, I don't know what they looked at because there was no autopsy.
And they all agreed it was natural.
I mean, that's nuts.
Yeah, okay.
Okay.
So there are also allegations of essentially then a cover-up of the death.
So the proper authorities were not even contacted after.
Mike, I just want to interject something here.
I also went through the autopsy report.
When I was researching online, I ran across a case of a woman who, this was back in 2005, roughly a woman who was treated with IV hydrogen peroxide, and the description of her extremities, et cetera, was very similar to the autopsy report of Mr. Suto.
Just thought I'd bring that in.
I actually found this case online of a woman who had a similar result.
Okay, okay.
That's really important.
Thank you, Liz, for saying that.
Let me read the cause of death from the autopsy report.
It says, cause of death, hemolytic anemia, which is basically your red blood cells are crashing, with multi-organ damage culminating with terminal morphine administrations due to toxicities of inhaled hydrogen peroxide combined with intravenous hydrogen peroxide and intravenous ozone gas administration.
So it's like at the end, they just, they killed this person with morphine is what this report says.
Right.
And yeah, that was the hospice approach.
Oh my goodness.
And then the manner Is homicide.
That's what's listed in the report here from Dr. Schultz.
Three doctors administered dangerous chemical agents and, after serious reactions, denied potentially life-saving, reputable medical care in favor of subversive care, culminating with terminal opioid administration.
So what would, Dr. Mahaffey, what would have been the mainstream care for this patient?
Right.
You know, going back before Dr. Kerry Medea was even involved, what would the mainstream treatment have entailed?
Let me go back and clarify something.
Sure.
At no time did this man have a positive COVID test.
Oh.
They did a COVID test initially.
It was negative.
So this cascade of death that was started by Carrie Maday was, I don't know what they were treating.
I do not know.
But yeah, his COVID test was negative.
The only other problem this man had health-wise was he had some neurologic problems that were being fixed.
He was not in renal failure, as they try to, you know, say in all this.
That was his only medical problem.
His heart was fine.
His lungs were fine.
I mean, you know, he was a very robust 80-year-old.
Okay.
So he was not diagnosed with anything demanding treatment at all, as it seems like what you're saying.
Yeah, I see what you're asking.
Yes.
No, he had nothing.
So now, I'm not trying to be mean in any of this at all, and people can make mistakes, but Yana and Stephen Ben Noon are not here in this interview, although I've interviewed them separately.
But why did they seek out alternative care if there was no, I mean, what were they trying to treat?
I don't understand.
Well, what happened was Mr. Sudo developed a fever, and it was during COVID.
So in that, you know what I mean?
Like in that era, this is what would happen.
And so they knew Carrie Matte fairly well.
I mean, she had stayed at their house once.
Right.
And so they called her because she is that alternative.
But yeah, I don't know.
And the fear that was out at that time that if you go to a hospital, you're going to end up intubated and then dead.
That did happen.
That happened a lot.
That happened a lot.
And by the way, I had two mothers of patients of mine who had young kids, both went into the hospital, both were put on remdesophy, they both died.
One of them went into renal failure and the hospital told her, hey, listen, we don't have a dialysis tech for three days, and she ended up dying.
Oh, my.
So that's real.
I mean, that's a real fear.
Absolutely.
I just want to interject that Steve and Yana did not, they didn't solicit Kerry Made's help.
They were in communication and she insisted on coming to their house.
And the second thing about remdesivir is just a side note, there was a study done in 2019, published in New England Journal of Medicine, where remdesivir was used to treat Ebola in about 650 patients in the Congo.
And the data was so damning.
It had a 50%, I'm going off of memory here, but it had about a 50% fatality rate, 30% renal failure, and 30% hepatic failure, which is kidney and liver failure.
And so it was very legitimate for people who understood what was happening to avoid the hospital.
And the noons were stuck between a rock and a hard place, really.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you for that context, Liz.
That's very helpful.
Well, also, when they were down here in this area, one of the docs that was treating them told them that if they went to the hospital, it's a 20% chance of surviving.
But if they stayed in that hotel room on their treatment protocol, he had an 80% chance.
I see.
Wow.
Okay.
Now, there's one number in all of this that's still bothering me.
And I'd like to ask both of you this question.
And it's the 21 milliliters.
Because, you know, I've run a MassSpec lab for over a decade.
I've done countless serial dilutions, dilution calculations, you know, prepping external standards, using pipettes, et cetera.
There are no pipettes that would be, it wouldn't be convenient to do 21 mils of anything.
You would do 10 mils, right?
You would do 10 mils.
You have a 10 mil pipette.
And so if you're going to dilute something, you would do it into 20.
So you do two rounds of pipetting, 10 mils.
Do either of you have any explanation for why was 21 mils used for the dilution for the intravenous solution?
Any idea?
I don't have a clinical explanation for that.
Yeah, I don't either.
A medical explanation for that.
Yeah, yeah.
Even just physically, like I said, pipettes.
Right.
You wouldn't choose 21 ever.
No, I've worked in labs.
Yeah.
We typically work with 1 mil, 2.55, and 10 cc.
Exactly.
That's right.
Exactly.
So, okay.
Well, we're all in agreement.
We don't understand 21.
Why is 21 involved here?
Stephen has offered a different explanation for 21 That has nothing to do with pipetting or medicine, but I'll leave that for that interview.
Let me shift gears here in the few minutes we have left.
I want to say: number one, Dr. Mahaffey and Liz Thompson, I really admire you both for having the courage to step forward here and be part of this discussion.
And I really, I like both of you.
I can tell you're the kind of people that I like to hang out with and talk with because you're both very bright.
And as we are bright people, even as we advocate natural medicine where the context is appropriate, good nutrition, healthy lifestyle choices, avoidance of toxins, etc.
My question first to Dr. Mahaffey is, what is the wise path for people watching this to follow to be able to avoid, I'm going to use the word charlatans in natural medicine or health freedom medicine or what used to be called quacks, right?
Or even maybe are still called quacks, but how does a person avoid that whole scene and still get good quality care that is more holistic?
Mmm.
Well, I mean, that's a tough question because the three people involved in this murder are all narcissists who have, I would have to say, because I know all the facts of this case, they have a God complex that prompted them to just continue this.
And I think to find a good doctor, I would ask patients of these people, you know, and you have to do a lot of homework.
I mean, even in allopathic medicine, it's tough now.
I mean, I have so many patients since I've been retired calling me, you know, like they won't listen to me or, you know, I can't get in or things like that.
But this case is a very special case that is borders.
Well, it is.
It's evil and it's run by three psychiatric patients.
Oh my.
That need to be taken down.
I want to ask you about that very point here.
And I hear your dogs.
I love the fact that you have dogs.
I do as well.
Liz, what's your response to that question?
How do we avoid charlatans but still embrace holistic medicine?
Yeah.
Boy, how do you vet practitioners?
You can actually look up practitioners online now by their MPI number.
You can find their MPI number.
You can look them up.
Although, you know, I haven't looked up these three physicians in question.
I don't know what is said about them under their MPI number.
But the other thing is people can go on PubMed, a search engine, and you don't have to understand all the technical language, but you can go on pubmed.org and just see, are there any clinical trials involving this treatment, for instance, that this doctor is purporting?
You don't have to understand it all.
You can gain enough, you know, if you're reasonably intelligent, you can gain enough information to see, oh, wow, there's 200 studies on this and it's been studied in thousands of patients, etc.
You can find out that information pretty easily.
Go to clinicaltrials.gov.
Again, you don't have to understand everything to get the gist of it.
That's good information.
I would just add, I think you'll both agree with me on this.
For those who don't have experience with volumetric measurements or concentrations, the numbers can be very formidable to them to understand how much of this is going into that.
Whereas the three of us, we do this every day and we can talk about it.
But for someone who's not trained in this area, they really just have to trust the practitioner.
Like, is this the right dose?
Yeah, of course it is.
I do this all the time.
And then it turns out to be 171 times higher than it should be.
Oh, I'm sorry, Mike.
Just the IV, the IV therapy that Kerry Made used, I compared it with Dr. Charles Farr, who treated hundreds of patients in Oklahoma City.
And again, this treatment is not FDA approved and it's controversial.
However, just briefly, I wanted to mention it was 84 times stronger.
Yeah.
Okay, wow.
Sorry, I just, we just, you know, I wanted to be sure and get that in before we close.
Yes.
Okay.
And final question to both of you then.
I'll start with Dr. Mahaffey again.
Just in your opinion, is there anything that these doctors, especially Dr. Kerry Medai or former Dr. Kerry Medai, what could she do to make this right or to even attempt to make it right at this point, if anything?
She can own up to her mistakes and she can.
She's not answering any of our calls either.
She can accept the warrant that's out.
I don't see that happening, though.
I really don't see that.
She has not been criminally charged, to my understanding.
She's lost a civil case.
Right.
But if she were to admit to this, wouldn't that open the door to a criminal prosecution?
The truth shall set you free.
Okay.
I hear you.
I'm wondering about the local DA and whether they are going to potentially still yet pursue criminal charges because They still could right.
And I'm shocked and very dismayed by the health departments, both in Georgia and in Florida, for not, you know, aggressively pursuing these people.
Yes.
Well, you know, it's interesting, interesting context that just recently the DOJ dropped all charges against Dr. Kirk Moore.
Yeah.
Gave people saline injections instead of vaccines.
So, see, that's kind of the inverse of this case.
So he did not give the intervention, whereas what Kerry Medet did, it was a very strong intervention and ultimately apparently deadly.
But there is sympathy for doctors who come forward, who own up, who defend themselves.
I think there's sympathy for people who do that.
Well, there may be.
But the thing that's happened in this case is that none of the three has come forward and owned up to anything.
In fact, two of them down here are out hawking their, you know, whatever they're selling.
One of whom has hooked up with Dr. McCullough and they're selling some kind of, you know, doomsday pack with antibiotics.
I've seen the ads.
What is that?
Well, you never know when you might get thrust from inhaling hydrogen peroxide.
I'm telling you, Mike, it's horrific.
And by the way, I don't know if this is, you can edit this out, Mike, if you need to.
But we had a Zoom meeting with Dr. McCullough and told him all of this.
He did nothing.
Nothing.
Well, it's been years since I've spoken with him, so I can't answer that.
Well, when I was part of this medical freedom thing down here, I went to Tallahassee and I saw McCullough and Carrie Maday was there.
And I can't remember who else, but anyway, Maday gave this bizarre talk on Hydra in the COVID vaccine.
I remember that.
Yeah, I mean, that was all BS.
What she did was, it was, yeah.
She look, I'm very well versed in real microscopy.
Yeah, well, she used a high school microscope and made these slides in her boyfriend's house where there were a ton of dogs.
So it's actually dog hair you're looking at.
I was going to say lint or something like that.
Yeah.
So, but she's up there.
I'm telling you, she is an evil demonic person.
She is.
Well, I think the Ben Noons would probably concur with that.
They do.
Liz, is there anything else you want to add before we wrap this up?
Well, yes, what I would like to say is I don't know Carrie Made.
I've never met her.
And from my standpoint, in terms of giving my professional opinion on this, it could have been Dr. Donald Duck and Dr. Mickey Mouse who treated Mr. Suto.
And I would still draw the same conclusions.
I don't have a personal vendetta against Carrie Made.
I'm just looking at the numbers.
And her contributions to the medical freedom movement were appreciated at the time, but they're irrelevant from my standpoint.
And I have no use for appeals to emotion and ad hominem attacks because I'm just looking at the numbers.
I'm looking at potencies and comparing potencies.
So we don't have room for emotions here.
She paints herself as the victim constantly.
No, no, no.
And I've been actually contacted by some of the other docs that she teamed up with, and I have been berated for even daring to publicly cover this subject.
Yeah, because they're going to lose their source of income from whatever they're selling.
You know, if the medical freedom movement falls apart, there's a lot of money and power to be lost.
See, let me, I'm glad you mentioned that, Teresa.
Let me just add this context that, you know, I've been doing what I do for 25 years.
And I've run my MassSpec lab for 12 years.
And COVID brought out of the woodwork a whole cast of characters that I had never seen before.
Yeah.
Some good, some insane.
Yeah.
And some of those are still with us.
And it was like, where did you come from?
There were people that just jumped on the bandwagon of health freedom out of nowhere.
And some of them, I think, right?
You saw the same thing?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Absolutely.
Well, you should.
I mean, gosh, the perspective I have for doing this for 25 years.
And, you know, I've look, I've been very critical of allopathic medicine, but I also understand that it has a role.
And allopathy is very strong on diagnosis.
Yeah.
Right.
And trauma care and certain things like that.
But I'm the guy who always told people, before you start popping pills, look at your diet.
Look at your lifestyle.
I'm in total agreement with that, Mike.
And as a matter of fact, that the last part of my career, I was a direct primary care doc.
So I got to do all of that and it was awesome.
Oh, that's great.
That's great.
My physician is direct primary care functional medicine doctor as well.
And I'm certainly not anti-alternative functional medicine, but you still have to, you can't be all, you can't completely trust everybody that's practicing in that realm either.
So I think the core message here, and I think we would all agree on this, is that for anybody listening, remember that you are responsible for your health decisions, your path, and ultimately you have more control over your health outcome than anybody else, a doctor, a naturopath, a guru, a mystic, whatever.
It's your responsibility to do due diligence.
All right.
Well, with that said, I want to thank you both for your time today.
It's been a very fascinating discussion.
Thank you for having us.
Thank you.
Absolutely.
And Teresa, you and I can both get back to our dogs now and have fun with our animals.
Liz, do you have dogs?
Do you have pets?
I have a cat.
I've had dogs in the past.
Oh, I know.
I know.
I'm a cat lady.
Well, but your cat has not bothered you during the entire interview.
That's something.
She hasn't, no.
Okay.
I have a big baby here who constantly bothers me.
Well, I ran my dog for a mile before this interview to make sure he's knocked out.
All right.
Well, have a great rest of your day, both of you.
And thank you for all that you do.
Oh, yes.
Okay, don't disconnect yet.
I'm going to wrap this up, but stay connected, please.
So thank you for watching.
MikeAdams here of Brighteon.com.
And as always, I invite Carrie Medea to come on and answer these questions publicly.
And I will gladly read a statement if she would simply provide one to my producer, which she has so far refused to do.
So thank you for watching today.
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