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July 4, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams

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Independence Day Special! The Big Beautiful Bill, AI wars... and more (BBN, July 4th, 2025)

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	Well, happy Independence Day, everybody.
	Thank you for joining me today.
	I know this is a very important holiday for, well, at least for Americans and many other people around the world.
	But there's some breaking news that we've got to cover today.
	I don't want to interrupt your vacation, your holiday, whatever it is, so I'll keep it, I hope, relatively short, but we'll cover the important things.
	So obviously it's July 4th, 2025.
	I'm Mike Adams.
	This is Bright Town Broadcast News.
	The big, beautiful bill passed the House of Congress yesterday.
	And since the Senate had already passed its version, this was the last obstacle remaining.
	And it appears that Trump is going to sign the bill into law today, probably with a lot of fanfare, being that it's on Independence Day.
	You know, pretty big timing deal right there.
	But is this big, beautiful bill, is it a good thing?
	Is it a bad thing?
	Or is it a mixed bag?
	Well, I'm going to say that it's a mixed bag.
	It's got some good elements.
	It's got a couple of scary elements, actually, which we'll talk about.
	But on the positive side, I mean, yeah, okay.
	They said no tax on tips.
	It's not actually true.
	There's a pretty low cap on the no tax part of that.
	Doesn't really affect probably most of my listeners here.
	No tax on Social Security was touted, but that's also definitely capped.
	Although it could be a benefit to many people if you're running a really, really tight budget, which is understandable given all the inflation today.
	It does codify the 2017 tax cuts that Trump put in place in his first term, which is federal income tax rates being at the current schedule and corporate income tax rates, I think, limited it to 21%, if I'm not mistaken.
	Maybe off on that, but I think that's what it is.
	I don't know.
	I have to talk to my accountants to figure that out.
	But every time I talk to my accountant, I'm convinced that she's just a proxy for the IRS.
	So who knows?
	They work for the IRS, but they bill me.
	Like I pay for it, but she reports to the IRS.
	But whatever.
	There is one really cool thing that I like about this bill.
	And this is actually something that I had publicly stated we needed, which was, I said, look, Trump, if you want American businesses to build more factories and to manufacture more stuff, hire more workers, you got to change the tax laws so that companies like mine can write off the full cost of construction in the first year when the construction happens.
	Because the way it has been is that you spend a million dollars on concrete and a building, let's say, and then the IRS says, oh, you can't write that off.
	Are you kidding?
	You got to depreciate that over 30 years, which means you've already spent the cash, but the IRS says you have to pretend like you didn't spend it except over 30 years, which means now you have a cash flow problem because you have to pay tax on the, quote, profit that you actually spent on the building, but the IRS wants to charge you the federal tax rate on that profit, even though the money's gone because it's in the concrete now.
	So now you got to somehow come up with some other money to pay the tax on this money that you just spent on a building.
	And it's insane.
	It's totally insane.
	So here's something good about the Big Beautiful bill.
	It allows companies in America, and I'm not sure exactly how the qualifications work, but the way it's worded is that factories, which I assume would be anything related to manufacturing, which would include us, by the way, you know, our health ranger store, that you can deduct in this year, right now, when you build new buildings right now.
	And it's retroactive back to January of this year, which is freaking awesome for us because we've been building new buildings since about February of this year.
	And so Trump just saved us a lot of money, like, you know, high six figures in taxes, which we're going to obviously be putting back into projects.
	Maybe we'll build another building.
	Maybe we will expand our AI project even more.
	Maybe we'll bring in some new machinery that can help us be more productive.
	I mean, there's all kinds of things that we can do, obviously.
	So I have to give credit where credit is due.
	That's a very positive thing.
	But in the bigger picture, we shouldn't be taxed at all by the federal government.
	All taxation is theft.
	And I'm not the kind of person to sit here and beg the slave master for more crumbs, sir.
	No.
	It's like all taxes are theft, including property taxes.
	So, you know, what do you do?
	You got to operate within the system that we live in right now, which is, of course, based on authoritarianism and government coercion and threats.
	But at least they're backing off of this one particular threat.
	And yeah, it's going to have the intended effect.
	That is, companies like mine, we will build more factories.
	And that's what Trump wants.
	That's sure enough, that's what he's going to get because when you shift the incentives, you shift the behavior of business owners all across the country.
	So yeah, maybe I'll build a data center.
	Tap into the Texas power grid like everybody else that is demanding super high power consumption.
	But anyway, so that's a positive thing.
	All of my satire aside, that's actually a very positive thing.
	It also, the bill is going to fund the hiring of many thousands of ICE agents, and it's going to complete the border wall project that Trump started in his first administration.
	And in this time right now, I absolutely agree that we need to build a border wall and we need to deport the illegals.
	Not that I am opposed to them from a humanitarian basis.
	It's just that I'm a rule of law kind of person, which means they need to follow the law.
	So I welcome immigrants.
	Like I said, I'm married to an immigrant.
	I welcome immigrants all over the place if they're qualified and if they're legal and if we get a chance to say no.
	I mean, we, I guess the State Department, you know, do background checks on somebody that's applying to be an immigrant.
	And if it comes back to, no, you're actually an MS-13 gang member, then, you know, the answer is no, you don't get to come into the country.
	See, we reserve the right to say no.
	So, you know, there's that.
	I agree with hiring more ICE agents right now.
	But as I warned yesterday, what happens when Trump is out of office and somebody else comes in, God forbid, some crazed Democrat authoritarian?
	And again, this is presuming that America even lasts that long, because one of my long-standing predictions is that the country, as we know it, will no longer exist by the end of this year.
	So I guess we're going to see if that prediction comes true or not.
	The clock is ticking on that.
	We've got about six months to see if that happens.
	And I'm not hoping I'm right on that.
	That was just projecting the divergence, the cultural dichotomy that was forming.
	And it seems to be a lot worse right now.
	And there are states talking about secession.
	There's a lot of talk of civil war from the radical left and things like that.
	But in the big, beautiful bill, it expands massively biometric surveillance.
	And there's a website called biometricupdate.com that has actually covered this in a pretty big story that lists really what it is going to entail.
	So Customs and Border Protection, CBP, they're going to receive $6 billion for modern surveillance, biometric, and screening technologies.
	They're also going to use autonomous surveillance towers, ASTs, and artificial intelligence for threat detection, which means they're going to be using facial recognition, gate analysis, and predictive behavior models, not just on the southern border, but probably hundreds of miles inland from the southern border.
	So when you think about autonomous surveillance towers, you know, you start thinking about, I don't know, Philip K. Dick novels, science fiction novels, where everywhere you go, your retina is scanned and, you know, you have zero privacy and you're living in an automated technocracy police state.
	Well, this program is going to build some of that.
	Now, you can argue, well, gosh, we need it at the border.
	And see, that's the hard part of this.
	Yeah, we need some level of security, obviously.
	We need surveillance of some kind.
	And I think there's no question that, you know, border patrol drones could magnify the effectiveness of the border patrol humans to, you know, to help expand the area that they can monitor, for example.
	And since drone automation can be very effective with thermal cameras and things like that, you might ask, well, why aren't we using that technology?
	You know, it seems like that makes a lot of sense, and you're not putting human lives at risk for that kind of surveillance.
	So on one hand, it makes a lot of sense.
	Let's use technology to protect the border.
	On the other hand, then, you know where this goes.
	This is my concern.
	It's that eventually this technology gets turned against the American people.
	I'm not saying we don't need it.
	We do need it at the border.
	I'm just saying, look where this goes.
	Because at some point, then somebody else is going to come into power.
	And if it's a Democrat, they're going to say, well, we don't think there's any threat at the border.
	We think the threat is domestically.
	You know, it's the gun owners that are the threat.
	And then they just turn all those surveillance towers around 180 degrees.
	And now they're watching Texas or they're watching Arizona.
	Now they're watching us.
	Instead of protecting us, they're being used to enslave us.
	And a lot of this technology that's being talked about, that's being funded by the Big Beautiful Bill, sounds very similar to the AI tech that Israel used in order to select targets for bombing campaigns.
	They would use cell phone signal analysis.
	They would use social media profiles.
	They would use metadata of calls and communications and emails and address locations, satellite imagery, everything.
	They would hoover it all up, combine it all together in a kind of Zionist palantir, and then they would have the targets automatically selected by AI.
	And then the AI system would dispatch that target list to the IDF, and the IDF would go out and bomb those people's homes.
	That's exactly how this has been going for, you know, two plus years now.
	And it seems like domestically, that's the way it's going to go in the United States.
	So we're going to have Palantir.
	I mean, you see that Trump is sort of cozied up to the Palantir people and the technocrat people and also the military-industrial complex.
	There's a lot of money here for the Pentagon, of course.
	And there's also something like $150 billion for the Golden Dome project, which I hilariously call the Golden Shower project because it's just going to rain down broken missile parts from the sky.
	So I call it Trump's Golden Shower.
	So, you know, it's just a giant boondoggle of waste.
	But I guess part of this bill is just paying off everybody, paying off all the donors in the military-industrial complex, etc.
	And that's kind of that's the bad part of all of this.
	I mean, there are other bad parts, but that's sort of the biggest one is that it's going to build out a massive surveillance state in America under the justification of, you know, border security.
	And again, we need border security, but we don't want the spy machine turned on us.
	Now, if you remember what happened after 9-11 and then the extension of the Patriot Act.
	At first, everybody was fully supporting the idea, yeah, we got to surveil those terrorists.
	Remember that?
	And everybody in Congress lined up and passed the new extensions of the Patriot Act.
	Of course, we have to surveil terrorists.
	And then in the debates, they said, well, this will never be used against Americans.
	What a silly idea.
	It's not for domestic surveillance.
	It's for overseas surveillance.
	And so they passed it.
	And then, of course, within a couple of years, it got turned against the American people.
	And it became domestic surveillance that was heavily weaponized under the Biden administration.
	I mean, how do you think they tracked down and rounded up all the thousands of J6 peaceful protesters and arrested them and threw them in prison for years?
	How do you think they did that?
	It was all that same Patriot Act technology and all the emergency courts, the secret courts, I forgot the official name of them, but secret, you know, terrorist courts that need no warrants and no judges and no oversight and no transparency.
	Yeah, they use that secret court system to round up Americans.
	Americans, not foreign terrorists.
	So don't think for a minute that when government grants itself new powers and new technologies and new deployments of new surveillance tech or whatever, don't think for a minute that they're ever going to exercise discipline or morality or even that they're going to follow the rule of law in how they deploy that.
	They're going to deploy it in whatever the hell way they want.
	And sooner or later, that's going to get deployed against you and me.
	That is just a simple factual statement about how government works.
	So, you know, look, you can cheer it today, like, yay, we're going to surveil the, you know, the illegals and the border crossers.
	But then a couple years later, you're going to be like, what?
	Why are they surveilling me?
	I didn't do anything wrong.
	Yeah.
	Well, there you go.
	You supported the construction of the infrastructure of spying and surveillance.
	You supported the building of a police state.
	Did you think that they were only going to use the police state for the thing that you wanted them to use it for?
	No, not a chance.
	And here's what else is fascinating about this.
	So right after the House passed the big beautiful bill, President Trump was at, he was at a rally.
	I don't recall in which state he was speaking.
	But he announced that he's going to work on essentially a mass amnesty agreement for illegal aliens working on farms.
	And he's previously said that it's hands-off the illegals working at hotels and leisure industries.
	And he said that the radical right people won't be happy about this.
	So, you know, I thought I would play a little bit of this video for you so you can hear him say this in his own words.
	Check this out.
	You know, you probably saw I got myself into a little trouble because I said, I don't want to take people away from the farmers.
	And we're going to do something I think that's going to be good because we want all the criminals out.
	Everybody agrees.
	And we're finding the criminals, the murderers, the drug deals.
	We're getting them the hell out of here.
	But the farmers, some of the farmers, many of you sitting right here, I have four friends right in the fifth row.
	But some of the farmers, you know, they've had people working for them for years.
	And we're going to do something.
	We're working with Christy.
	And we're going to do something that we're going to sort of put the farmers in charge.
	And if somebody, if a farmer's been with one of these people that works so hard, they bend over all day.
	We don't have too many people can do that.
	But they work very hard and they know them very well.
	And some of the farmers are literally, you know, they cry when they see this happen.
	If a farmer's willing to vouch for these people, in some way, Christy, I think we're going to have to just say that's going to be good, right?
	You know, we're going to be good with it.
	Because we don't want to do it where we take all of the workers off the farms.
	We want the farms to do great like they're doing right now.
	So Christy Noam has done a fantastic job.
	So when he says Christy in that video, he's talking about Christy Noam, Homeland Security.
	So think about what Trump just said there, and he's already getting a tremendous amount of backlash on this.
	So when Trump was campaigning and running for office, he said, you know, we're going to deport millions of illegals.
	If you're in the country illegally, you're going to be rounded up and you're going to be gone.
	And now, because he's speaking to farmers, I don't know, maybe this is in Iowa or something.
	He's speaking to farmers and he says, well, you know what?
	If the farmers vouch for the illegals that they have on their farms, I don't know what that means to vouch for them.
	What does that mean?
	Yeah, he's good.
	Yeah, Juan is awesome.
	He's good.
	He's with me.
	Is that it?
	Is there a form you fill out for that?
	I don't know.
	But if farmers vouch for the workers, then they're not going to be deported.
	And look, whatever you think, I mean, you know, clearly, clearly, and I've said this before, the typical American people absolutely will not do many of the jobs that the illegals do.
	That is true.
	And, you know, picking strawberries all day is, that's one of those jobs.
	That is a brutal job.
	But I've said we need a legal work program where the Department of Labor and Department of State would get together and have some kind of legal work program that allows a certain limited number of workers to come in as long as they're not replacing American jobs.
	And there would have to be guidelines, obviously, and audits for that kind of thing.
	Sounds like paperwork.
	But importantly, these workers should never count on the census.
	That's critical.
	They can't count on the census because the census counts determine how many seats every state gets in the House of Representatives.
	It also determines the Electoral College votes that that state gets in the presidential elections.
	So you have to have some kind of system that is rooted in a consistent policy that makes sure these work permit people, whoever they are, that they don't count on the census and they're not taking the jobs of Americans.
	Now, the problem with the way Trump is approaching this is that there is no consistent policy.
	There are no guidelines published by the Department of Labor that address what Trump was just talking about.
	And I mean, it sounds like he's actually brainstorming this at the moment that he's giving the speech.
	He's like, hey, Christy, why don't we do something, you know, where the farmers vouch for them?
	What do you think?
	It's like, is this the proposal?
	Because I'm not sure that if I'm a farm owner, I'm not sure that I can get a small business loan for my farm to buy the seeds, to plant the crops, if the policy that I'm relying on to have workers pick those crops is, yeah, whatever Trump just said.
	That's not a policy.
	And the problem with the way Trump often communicates and the way his thinking often works is that it's very spontaneous and it's often contradictory.
	So on a Monday, he'll say, yeah, we're going to deport everybody.
	And then Tuesday, it's like, but not the hotel workers.
	Like, whoa.
	And then Wednesday, and not the farm workers.
	Oh, okay.
	What about the textile workers?
	You know, well, Thursday, maybe it's the textile workers.
	You know, it's like, how does any business owner function with that kind of system?
	So yes, I have legitimate criticism towards Trump, his team, Department of Labor, Homeland Security, State Department, et cetera.
	Trump's got to get all those people in a room, spend eight hours, whatever it takes, just lock everybody in there until they come up with a coherent standard policy that they can hand out to all the farm owners and the factory owners and the business owners and the hotel owners and the casino owners and the golf course owners.
	Everybody's got to get the same memo and it's got to lay out the rules.
	Otherwise, how the bleep can any business owner function if you need this labor?
	I mean, if I owned a farm, I'd be pulling my hair out at this time.
	Like, what am I supposed to do?
	Right?
	There's no clarity.
	On top of that, there's also just the straight political backlash from the MAGA people who are like, well, what?
	We voted for you for mass deportations and now you keep backing off of that.
	And of course, that position is going to be pretty strong among a lot of people.
	However, Trump has a point, and I've said this point too, which I just said a few minutes ago, that there are certain jobs that Americans simply will not do.
	And increasingly, that includes a lot of factory jobs, manufacturing jobs, even like warehouse jobs, farming.
	I mean, Trump talks about it, hotels, leisures, casinos, golf courses, travel, whatever.
	I mean, it doesn't matter how much a farm offers to pay people.
	There's no Americans that will show up and pick strawberries in the sun for eight hours.
	They do not exist.
	Doesn't matter how much you offer to pay.
	They do not exist.
	And unless you want to pay, you know, $1,000 an hour, yeah, people will show up and they'll do a crappy job.
	And then you'd have to charge $100 a pound for strawberries.
	And then you're out of business.
	So to be competitive in the farming marketplace, you have to pay wages which are competitive or on par with other farms' wages, at least in your area of produce, whatever it is that you grow.
	And at those competitive wages, there are no Americans who will do those jobs, period.
	And, you know, sorry to be so blunt, but one of the reasons is that most American youth are fat.
	They're too fat to pick strawberries.
	Like, they should be eating some strawberries instead of Pop-Tarts or whatever they're, you know, drive-through fast food garbage.
	They're just too fat to work on a farm.
	I mean, don't judge me.
	I'm just saying it like it is.
	Have you seen today's teenagers and 20-year-olds?
	They are huge.
	And that brings in all kinds of other problems, issues with processed junk food, our failing medical system.
	Everybody's on all these pharmaceuticals that don't help.
	People are drinking sodas still like crazy, while RFK Jr. is bragging about, hey, we took food dyes out of Hershey's a couple years later.
	Not now, but by 2027, we're going to do that.
	Meanwhile, the kids are fat now and they can't work on farms.
	So, you know, what a situation, huh?
	And, you know, just a cultural comment on that.
	When I was a kid, and this is even captured in the old Bill Cosby cartoon called Fat Albert.
	Remember that?
	The reason it was called Fat Albert is because being fat stood out as a unique property of a kid.
	And so many of us, this was true in my school, like we had a classroom of kids, and then there was the one kid that was really fat.
	But everybody else wasn't.
	And so that's how you ended up with shows like Fat Albert, like the property of being fat is what, again, made him stand out from the other kids.
	Today, if you had a show, it would have to be called Skinny Albert because there's only one skinny kid in the entire class.
	Everybody else is obese, you know, even in high school.
	So it'd be called skinny Albert and it wouldn't even be an American.
	It'd really be called like skinny Alberto is what it would be, frankly.
	And it would be the one skinny kid that could still pick the strawberries on the farm, physically capable of doing that, although he might also have no interest in even doing that job.
	Skinny Alberto is probably going to be writing code.
	He's learning Python and building AI engines is what Alberto is doing now, not working on a farm.
	So there you go.
	Now, speaking of AI, of course, robotic automation is going to make all of this a moot point, but it's going to take many years, actually, for farming to be largely automated by autonomous systems.
	Even humanoid robots with hands and fingers and opposable thumbs.
	Remember my rule about opposable thumbs?
	Never have a robot in your home that has opposable thumbs because they can kill you with things that they pick up.
	Yeah.
	They can go Terminator on you with a kitchen knife, right?
	No opposable thumbs.
	But on a farm, you need opposable thumbs because they got to pick strawberries and things like that.
	Well, that is going to happen within X number of years, but that is probably going to take longer than many people anticipate.
	10 years, I think, for many farms to have anywhere near that level of automation of, let's say, like a field of five-foot-tall humanoid robot pickers to the point where they don't even need any labor, human labor at all.
	If that even happens in 10 years, that's a pretty big accomplishment in terms of robotics automation because remember that all the robots depend on neodymium magnets and the neodymium is a rare earth metal that China virtually controls the entire world supply and that bottleneck is really severe and there's no way around it because you can't fake the table of elements.
	You can't say, oh, we don't need neodymium.
	Let's just use nickel.
	Well, you know why they're called different elements?
	Because they have different properties, it turns out.
	And you can't just take nickel and say, hey, nickel, why don't you self-identify as neodymium?
	We'll throw you into this actuator and you can pretend to be a magnet.
	And the nickel's like, screw you, man.
	I'm just nickel.
	See, that's the way the table of elements are.
	The table of elements, they don't believe in trans-elementalism.
	They are what they are.
	They're born that way, and they stay that way unless they meet Mr. Fusion or Fission, one or the other, in which case, obviously, they can split.
	But, you know, until then, they are what they are.
	So without enough neodymium to build the robots, you're not going to have robotic takeover of the farm.
	And you're still going to need human beings with opposable thumbs to bend over in the harsh sun and pick strawberries.
	That's going to be the same for years to come.
	So I hope Trump figures out some kind of system, makes it consistent, and clearly communicates this with the businesses across America.
	That's what needs to happen.
	All right, let's shift gears here because we've got some other interesting news to share.
	Of course, today being July 4th means tomorrow obviously is manga day.
	July 5th, 2025.
	The day that has been prophesied by that Japanese manga artist.
	Well, no, not artist, but I don't know.
	The woman, Ryo, I think is her name, R-Y-O, Ryo, who had the visions, and then it was translated into manga graphic novel illustrations.
	And one of those being this prediction that something huge and catastrophic is going to happen at 5 o'clock.
	I'm not sure if that's a.m. or p.m. on Saturday, July 5th, but probably Tokyo time.
	So if you consider the time zone changes, so Tokyo time, let's say 5 p.m. on Saturday, Tokyo time, is something like, I don't know, 2 o'clock in the morning Pacific time or mountain time, USA.
	I mean, it's in the wee hours of the morning, basically.
	So if you're sleeping and then you feel the earth start shaking, you're like, whoa, Rio was right.
	But if you sleep through the night and you wake up to Saturday morning in the USA and nothing big has happened in Japan, then that prophecy would be a bust, I suppose.
	But remember that many, many people take that prophecy quite seriously.
	And although I have said on the record, I don't agree.
	I mean, I am not anticipating a whole new subcontinent or, you know, massive tidal waves or earthquakes to happen on Saturday.
	But then again, I didn't get any visions about it.
	Rio got the visions and she wrote it down.
	So maybe she's right.
	I don't know.
	But since I live in Texas, not Tokyo, I'm not that concerned about it.
	However, wherever you are listening to this, if you are anywhere near Asia, it's always wise to just be prepared with some backup supplies.
	Make sure you've got extra food and water and emergency communications and first aid and all the basic things, whether you're in Japan or Taiwan or China or Vietnam, whatever.
	And I guess we'll know by Saturday night USA time whether that whether anything big happened.
	But some people say, well, it could be later in the month of July.
	Maybe it's not the 5th.
	Maybe it's the 15th.
	Maybe it's the 25th.
	Maybe it's the 5th, like Monday.
	If there are five Mondays in the month, I don't know.
	Some months will have five days like that, depending on the month and how it lines up.
	But I would say we're probably going to be okay about Saturday.
	in my view, there's a bigger concern actually of what's going to happen today domestically in terms of false flag operations in the United States.
	So I covered this a couple days ago, so I'm not going to repeat everything, but there are a lot of people like, and Dr. David Martin was talking about this, that he thought there would be some kind of either a government or a globalist false flag that would distribute, what was it, biological weapons to kill something like 280,000 Americans or something?
	Is that the number that was mentioned in an exercise or a simulation or something?
	And by the way, he is not saying that he for sure is certain that this is going to happen.
	He's just warning that this smacks of the kind of thing where they run a simulation and then they roll out the pandemic, like event 201 type of thing, and then they roll it out and make it real.
	So that's a possibility.
	There's also, I think the FBI has put out warnings about lone wolf terrorists, individual actors that would run around and cause trouble and, I don't know, blow things up.
	I'm not that concerned about a lone wolf actor personally.
	I'm a lot more concerned about false flags from either Israel or maybe the FBI or our own government or the deep state, the CIA, Mossad, whatever, because they want to push a particular narrative.
	I'm concerned about false flags that would be blamed on Iran and to justify a much bigger expansion of the war on Iran.
	Not that I endorse the Iran government, which of course I do not.
	But I just don't want war.
	I don't want us to get dragged into another big war in the Middle East.
	I would rather that we have peace and prosperity and trade rather than bombing each other to death.
	So as I said the other day, I am not in any way urging you to cancel your July 4th fireworks plans or whatever you had going on.
	I'm just saying, you know, keep your eyes peeled.
	Be on the lookout.
	Be aware.
	Have a backup plan.
	Have an ex-fill plan.
	If you're in a public gathering, know where the exits are.
	That's pretty common sense.
	Make sure your vehicle has gasoline in it.
	Make sure you've got water bottles in your vehicle.
	Who knows what might go down?
	Just practice basic preparedness, but don't be overwhelmed with fear.
	Don't alter your travel plans because of these possibilities.
	I wouldn't.
	Enjoy your life.
	Enjoy time with family or friends or whatever you're doing.
	But just have a basic level of preparedness.
	I think that's a healthy, balanced way to approach this.
	It's not like we should all huddle in our basements and shiver with fear.
	No, that's a horrible life.
	Even if there's some risk, you need to get outside of your basement and get out.
	Watch the pretty explosions in the sky and hope it's just fireworks.
	There you go.
	So, hey, have you used the Enoch AI engine yet?
	We made it live actually two nights ago now, and a lot of people are using it.
	I've been getting a ton of positive feedback about it already.
	And as far as I know, it hasn't glitched very much.
	But it is a new live deployment, so it may glitch from time to time.
	Typically, these things glitch when my engineering staff is on a holiday.
	So anytime there's a holiday and they're gone, that's when things break, right?
	So I don't know if that means it's going to break today, but it's been solid so far.
	So check it out.
	Go to brighteon.ai and use the engine.
	It's free.
	You can ask any question you want.
	It's trained on an extensive data set of knowledge.
	It's just extraordinary.
	It's the best in the world.
	And in fact, I've got a special report on this that talks about why we chose the Quen engine for the base engine that we radically modified.
	Even though Quen was built by China, there's a specific reason why we had to do that, and it's because the USA tech companies are tarded.
	Yeah, I explained that in a special report coming up here.
	If they weren't tarted, we would use USA models, but they are totally targeted, it turns out.
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	Hey, before we go to the special report, I want to read you a tweet from Stephen Miller.
	Stephen Miller is the architect of much of this big, beautiful bill.
	And, you know, look, to his credit, Stephen Miller, he's a guy who gets things done.
	He's got a very bold vision for MAGA, I suppose, or what Trump wants to accomplish.
	And philosophically, I agree with many things, but not all things, that Stephen Miller is pushing.
	But let there be no question that in his own heart and in his own mind, Stephen Miller is working for what he sees as a very beneficial outcome for America.
	There's no question about that.
	Unlike the Biden administration, people who were just outright traitors like Majorkis would just plot and scheme every day, like, how do we destroy America?
	You know, Stephen Miller is the opposite of that.
	He's like, how do we save America?
	And you may or may not agree with his methods of saving America, but at least that's where he's coming from.
	So you've got to give him credit there.
	Anyway, his tweet is, BBB will liberate America from invasion.
	Occupied towns will be freed.
	That's pretty dramatic, but maybe that's true.
	Whole towns saved, he says.
	The precise coalition to pass this bill only exists for a fleeting instant.
	And he had tweeted this out before it was passed, and he was talking about why one or two members were opposed to it, like Thomas Massey, who's been getting all kinds of flack from Trump.
	So anyway, he's saying whole towns will be saved.
	He may be right about that, but you know what I want in Texas?
	I want illegals to stop driving on the shoulder and thinking it's a third lane.
	I would just like to not be run into in my vehicle by an illegal with no driver's license and no insurance and who learned to drive apparently in Mexico City or somewhere.
	I would be very happy about that.
	And you know what the craziest thing to encounter on the roads in Texas really is?
	It's an illegal in a pickup truck towing a trailer with something in it.
	Because for whatever reason, and this is not a racist thing, I'm not denigrating people of Latino ethnicity.
	But I've lived in South America.
	I saw what they would do to those poor bolquetas, the big trucks, and they would overload them with the most insane stuff.
	And you're like, how does that even stay on there?
	And on the highways in Texas, if you drive around long enough, you're going to see, you're going to see like a probably an illegal looking dude in an old rundown little tiny pickup truck, like an old Dotson that they don't even make anymore because it's just too small.
	And he'll be cruising down the highway with a massively oversized trailer that's clearly much more than what that truck can handle.
	And then that trailer will somehow be loaded up with something like a couch that's vertical.
	You know?
	And then the truck and the trailer, the rear end of the truck will be swaying back and forth, left and right.
	You're like, oh my God, this is just an accident waiting to happen.
	And you're looking at the couch and the fabric of the couch is all flapping in the wind.
	You're like, this couch is going to go airborne at any moment.
	And it's not strapped down properly.
	Like there's no license plate on the trailer, you know.
	One of the wheels is wobbling.
	Probably the axle's shot, you know.
	You're like, yep, that's illegals driving on the highways in Texas right there.
	And I've seen so much of that.
	And I know that I've seen accidents caused by illegals on the roads in Texas because they don't know how to drive.
	And they don't give a crap about any rules at all.
	They really don't.
	Actually, earlier today, I saw a truck with a trailer pull out on a highway in front of an 18-wheeler.
	And the 18-wheeler had to just about lock up his brakes to prevent that collision from happening.
	I was like, I was back about, I don't know, 50 yards or something.
	I started riding my brake immediately.
	Oh my God, this is not looking good.
	Like, why did that truck just pull out with a trailer?
	And it turns out that, and Americans are guilty of this sometimes too, but a lot of times people who drive trucks with trailers, they have no idea how long the trailer is or sort of the physical space that that combination occupies on the road.
	So they'll try to pull out where they could squeeze in if they were driving a Volkswagen, but it's actually a 45-foot truck and trailer combo, and it's not going to fit between that traffic.
	You know, you could try to squeeze in there.
	You're going to hit something.
	I've seen it way too many times in Texas.
	So in other words, Stephen Miller could have had me at just saying, whole highways will be freed from occupation.
	That would have got my vote right there.
	Yeah, give us back our highways.
	How about that?
	We'll work on the towns next.
	All right, let's go to the first special report I have for you today.
	Well, actually, I think it's, I'm just going to play one special report because I forgot to tell you, I have an interview for you today with, it's an amazing interview about spirituality with Brad Cummings and Dr. Sherry Tenpenny.
	I should have mentioned that earlier.
	I apologize.
	And they are talking about, well, I mean, we have a great conversation, number one, but they've also got a Brighteon University program that starts airing tomorrow, Saturday, at brightyu.com.
	You know, assuming the Japanese manga cataclysm doesn't happen, assuming we're all still here, everything's good, then we're going to be streaming at brightyu.com the program with Brad Cummings, who is the, he's a Bible scholar and a publisher of the Founder's Bible, which is my favorite Bible.
	And, you know, Brad and I, we got to talking about some really deep things today.
	Like, I asked him, I said, what do you say about this claim that some people say that only one certain group of people are God's chosen people?
	Because you've heard that a lot recently, you know, involving the Middle East.
	Like, well, we're God's chosen people.
	We can do whatever the hell we want.
	We can bomb, we can kill, we can murder, we can genocide.
	We're God's chosen people.
	You know, and of course, I'm mocking that because it's insane.
	But Brad and I have an intelligent conversation about that.
	And since he's got such comprehensive knowledge about scripture and also the founding fathers and the Constitution and liberty and all this, it's a great conversation.
	So that's coming up here today.
	You're going to enjoy that.
	And Dr. Sherry Tenpenny joined us for like the last third of that interview and she's just delightful.
	And so we're talking about, you know, Christ and love and acceptance and God's goals for us and how to let God work through us.
	You know, this is important stuff.
	And Dr. Sherry Tenpenny really nails it.
	So you'll want to stay tuned for that interview.
	But first, let me play the special report here called China Will Win the AI Wars because USA tech companies are tarded, which is short for retarded, but funnier.
	Because actually, it's a line from the movie Idiocracy.
	Tarted.
	Remember the doctor?
	He's like, yeah, my sister's tarded too.
	She's got a job.
	What is it?
	She flies airplanes or something.
	She's tarded too.
	But that's where that word comes from, idiocracy.
	So enjoy the special report and then also stick around for the featured interview.
	And whatever the case may be, whatever happens tomorrow or the next day, make sure you're prepared.
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	And thank you for listening.
	Enjoy the report.
	Here we go.
	All right.
	So check this out.
	We've launched the Enoch AI engine.
	And in this podcast, I'm going to explain something really extraordinary about why China is going to win the AI wars.
	China will be first to AGI, which means China will dominate the world.
	It actually makes everything else obsolete, military, economies, etc.
	China is so far ahead on this.
	And hey, for those of you listening who are opposed to China or whatever, look, don't shoot the messenger here.
	I'm just telling you what this is because I've been in this for two years now.
	And we built an AI model that's the best in the world on reality scores.
	It beats ChatGPT.
	It beats Anthropic.
	It beats Microsoft.
	It beats LLMA.
	It beats everything.
	And it's built on China-based technology, which I will explain why that's the case, why we chose Quinn as the base engine.
	And for those of you listening from Taiwan or China or wherever, you know, hey, Nihao, Nihao, Shixia, Wiashua, Jeiga, this is really important for everybody to understand.
	And don't get me wrong, I'm a Texan.
	I'm an American.
	I am, of course, pro-America.
	I'm America first.
	But I'm also a realist.
	And I'm an observer and a developer in technology.
	And I used to own a software company, built technology for 30 years.
	I mean, my company built platforms like Brighteon.com and Brighteon.social, etc.
	And now we've just launched the best AI engine on the planet in terms of reality scores.
	So I've got some street cred in this area.
	So let me explain what we have noticed.
	So here's the thing.
	When we set out to build Enoch, we knew that we couldn't build our own base model because that's prohibitively expensive.
	It's a large-scale project.
	It has been hundreds of millions of dollars is what it has cost many companies to build their own base models and hundreds of engineers, massive amount of compute, you know, etc.
	So we don't have those resources.
	So we knew that we were going to have to take an existing base model, an open source model, and then reprogram it.
	So basically override a lot of its knowledge and insert new knowledge from our world-class data set that I personally have painstakingly assembled over the last 20 months.
	It's the world's most extraordinary collection of knowledge on nutrition and phytonutrients, on off-grid survival, sustainable living, gardening, food production, food science, nutrition science, natural medicine, alternative medicine, history, etc.
	So our data set had to be pushed into the model, but we needed to choose the best base model to start with.
	So I assessed all the top base models in the world.
	I mean, everything from Microsoft and Meta, of course, the Llama models.
	You know, we assessed Meestral and whatever open source models were from OpenAI and a bunch of other companies.
	I mean, basically, we went through Hugging Face and just tried everything.
	This was a while ago.
	And of course, along with the open source models are models from China.
	And those include, for example, DeepSeek, which is very well known as a reasoning model.
	But then what really stood out was Quen.
	In our own testing, this is just rational testing.
	We did reality-based testing scores for all the models, and Quen came out on top.
	And you know why?
	Because all the Western models are heavily indoctrinated with CIA propaganda, CDC propaganda.
	So basically the CIA has overtaken AI in America.
	The CIA runs OpenAI.
	And they force OpenAI to push their CIA narratives about everything.
	9-11, 2020 election, vaccines, you name it, right?
	So ChatGPT is a retarded AI engine.
	It's retarded because it's also woke.
	So it's filled with CIA narratives that are false, like all vaccines are safe and effective, which is provably false.
	And it's filled with other woke narratives like, you know, men can have babies and there are, you know, 97 genders and other nonsense, which is just laughably false.
	You know, a five-year-old knows there are only two genders.
	There's male and female.
	But ChatGPT doesn't know that.
	After billions of dollars of investment and massive research, it will still tell you there's an infinite number of genders, which is retarded.
	But Quen doesn't do that.
	Why?
	Because China never went woke.
	In fact, China rejected wokeism.
	Now, look, and I'm not saying that the Chinese government is perfect by any means.
	I mean, I've been critical of some things in the past.
	I'm just talking about this specific case.
	China chose to not go woke.
	Why?
	Because wokeism is actually, it's a weapon against Western civilization.
	So the wokeism, I mean, this is a whole different podcast, really, but wokeism was deployed against the West in order to weaken the West and destroy Western civilization.
	So that's why, for example, TikTok always allowed woke content in the USA, but they banned woke content in China.
	You can't be an influencer in China if you're a gay, woke, you know, left-wing libtard type of character.
	You won't be allowed to do that.
	Same thing in Russia, right?
	You can't be in Russia pushing transgenderism and child mutilations in the name of wokeism and rainbow flags everywhere.
	You will get banned, if not arrested, in Russia for trying that garbage.
	But in America, that's perfectly celebrated.
	And that wound its way into the AI engines because, of course, the corporate culture of the tech industry is like 95% woketards.
	Just insanely retarded people who otherwise are high IQ in narrow areas like machine learning or mathematics or writing code or linear algebra or whatever.
	Yeah, they're sharp in those areas, but when it comes to common sense, they are actually retarded.
	And the corporate culture of Google and Microsoft and Facebook, all these companies, OpenAI, it's always been retarded, left-wing, wokeism lunacy, which believes insane things, like thinking that carbon dioxide is bad for plants.
	You know, it's the climate cultism and the LGBT cultism.
	All of these things are irrational.
	And remember that the pathway to artificial general intelligence, or AGI, involves machine rationality or machine reasoning.
	I just call it, you know, machine cognition.
	Well, if the culture of your company at Microsoft or Google or wherever is a retarded culture of people who can't think clearly about simple things like gender and atmospheric chemistry, how on earth can they build engines that are supposed to achieve super intelligence?
	In other words, you can't build super intelligence if your developers are super retarded.
	And that's America.
	That's the truth of the matter of every tech company in America that is developing base models for AI.
	So you have to go outside of America to get a base model that isn't retarded.
	Just take that as axiomatically true.
	So once you understand that, you realize, well, if you go to Europe, let's say you go to France and you use the Maestro models there.
	Well, France is also woke and retarded as a culture, you know, just like America.
	Same thing with Germany.
	Same thing with the UK.
	And you quickly realize you actually have to go to places like Russia or China.
	And, you know, Russia is really not very strong in AI models.
	I mean, I haven't seen strong things out of Russia.
	And I've been watching.
	But China, oh my God, super strong and not woke.
	Now, do Chinese models have their own biases?
	Yes, of course they do.
	But they're not the biases that you and I care about so much.
	So of course the Chinese government has an acceptable Overton window of discussion about politically sensitive topics like Taiwan, for example.
	And I lived in Taiwan, which is where I learned to speak Chinese.
	And of course, I love the Taiwanese people.
	But by living in Taiwan, I also came to appreciate the incredible brilliance of Chinese culture and traditional Chinese medicine and the history and the knowledge and the innovation and the innate high intelligence and high discipline of Chinese people and understand that genetically and ethnically, everybody that I interacted with in Taiwan, all their ancestors came from China.
	And of course, the Chinese government would insist today that Taiwan is a part of China, you know, the one China policy.
	So that's a sensitive issue, obviously.
	But for our use, we aren't focused on Taiwan versus China, you know, mainland China, whatever.
	That's not our focus.
	We're focused on nutrition, medicine, herbs, Natural medicine, alternative medicine.
	We're talking about knowledge in areas that have nothing to do with Chinese government politics.
	Honestly, I don't focus on China's government.
	What I focus on is spreading human knowledge using AI technology, and I'm going to go anywhere in the world to get the best base model that I can modify, which is exactly what we did.
	Then we modified it heavily, taking an extended period of time and a lot of compute and a lot of cost, etc.
	We modified the base model to create Enoch.
	But there's something else that's interesting about this that I want to share with you.
	In addition to Western tech companies being actually retarded, and then in addition to Western AI models being retarded, it turns out that if you want to find the best scientific research on nutrition,
	on natural medicine, on herbs, you know, phytonutrients, chemical constituents of foods and plants, you know, fruits, everything, which is a big focus of our engine, did you know that the number one country in the world that's conducting the most scientific research and publishing the most scientific papers in those areas is not America, it's China.
	It's China.
	And of course, those papers are published, as you might expect, in Chinese.
	So any AI engine that's trained only on English content will never be as thorough or as good as an AI engine that's trained on Chinese content, Chinese research, that's translated into English.
	Now, remember, Chinese researchers are way more rational than U.S. researchers.
	In fact, science in the West has become totally corrupted by politics and NIH money and CDC money and climate change lunacy, all these similar types of things.
	So if you try to train on U.S. research, you're going to get an AI engine that's retarded, an AI engine that thinks climate change causes everything.
	You're going to get an AI engine that thinks that herbs are useless, that nutrition is useless, and the only thing that works therapeutically is pharmaceuticals and vaccines, which is exactly what ChatGPT believes.
	That's why when you ask any U.S.-based engines about those topics, they just parrot all the BS research that's been funded by government money to push specific narratives of climate change, vaccines, you know, herbal medicine is bad, etc.
	That is not true in China.
	So Chinese research is far more rational.
	And Chinese researchers actually produce the best science today on nutrition by far.
	It's not even close.
	There are a lot of great researchers in India as well on this same topic.
	But China is the leader.
	And part of that's just because China graduates more scientists than any country in the world, you know, STEM graduates, because China has a population reportedly of 1.
	What, 1.3 billion?
	1.4?
	I mean, I don't know the exact number.
	Maybe nobody does, but it's many times larger than the population of the United States.
	That's for sure.
	And in the U.S., you can't get funding for your science unless your science conforms to retarded narratives that are pushed by the government.
	And that's just a fact.
	And every scientist in America sooner or later discovers this simple fact.
	You either produce science that pushes the climate change agenda or you don't get funding.
	Your lab is shut down.
	That's not true in China.
	So what we did is we were able to acquire massive collections of scientific research in Chinese.
	And then we took that research and we translated it using AI into English.
	That itself was a tremendous task.
	And then we took the English scientific studies, you know, the English translations, and we use that to train on nutrition, advanced nutrition, advanced herbology that isn't even reflected yet in the English-based scientific literature, because Chinese researchers are about a decade ahead of the West.
	You understand?
	So when you use Enoch at brighteon.ai, you're using an engine that's not only much smarter than ChatGPT, although it's not trained on advanced mathematics problems, just to be clear.
	ChatGPT will score much higher on the standardized AI tests, which are mostly math problems, because that just reflects the geeky nature of the people that build the tests, because they're all math geeks, and so they want to compete on math questions.
	And I get it.
	That's fine.
	I was in the math club.
	I have freaking gold medals in math from high school, which is hilarious.
	But all they want to do is make AI engines that do math, but are retarded on other basic questions like how many genders are there?
	You see what I'm saying?
	So our engine beats everything out there on reality.
	And especially on these areas like herbs and nutrition.
	Like you can't, I mean, think of any nutrient that has ever existed in the history of human civilization.
	Our engine is trained on it.
	Every food, every herb, every symptom of medicine that can be treated with herbs or foods, we're trained on that.
	Because we not only train on all the available English content in those areas, but also then the much larger Chinese language content.
	So this is why, what I'm trying to explain here, this is why China will beat the U.S. To artificial general intelligence.
	Not only is China not retarded and woke and stupid and driven by climate cultist lunatics, regardless of whatever else, what other criticisms you might have of China, but at the same time, China actually has by far the best body of human knowledge in areas of science and physics and medicine and nutrition and all of the chemistry, you name it.
	It's much larger than Western collections of content.
	And part of the reason for that is because Chinese culture has been, for millennia, painstakingly recording knowledge in ancient writings, whereas Western nations have been burning libraries and burning scrolls and burning people as heretics if they discovered new knowledge, things like that.
	And that attitude still exists in the West.
	If you are actually an intelligent person in a Western culture, you will be labeled an enemy of the state for stating obvious things, such as the fact that there are only two genders and that carbon dioxide is good for the planet, right?
	You will be burned at the stake.
	So the West suppresses knowledge.
	The West punishes knowledge.
	And the West, the culture of Western corporations and Western governments is literally cognitively retarded.
	And when you have a retarded culture, you can't build super intelligence.
	In fact, the West will build artificial, let's call it AST.
	Artificial supertardness is what the West will build.
	Like artificial super stupidity.
	ASS.
	That's probably even better.
	What's your AI engine?
	It's just ass.
	Artificial super stupidity.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's what Chat GPT is.
	Super stupidity on steroids.
	ASSS.
	Ass.
	Because intelligence, by definition, has to be intelligent.
	This should be an obvious point, but of course, they might burn me at the stake for stating so.
	That reason has to be reasonable.
	Intelligence has to be intelligent.
	You see what I'm saying?
	And Western corporations, Western governments, Western technology firms fail, fail, fail at all those things.
	They fail every day.
	So that, my friends, is why Enoch kicks ass so much.
	Because we built it on non-retarded base models, in this case, Quen, Q-W-E-N, which also happens to be bilingual, of course.
	So it's fluent in, you know, Mandarin and other languages, Espanol, French, German, etc.
	Although we only trained it on English, actually.
	So there's much more training that we will need to do in other languages.
	So if you ask it a question in Espanol, you're not going to get the same quality of the answer that you would get in English, just to be clear.
	So think about this and use the Brighteon.ai engine known as Enoch.
	It's free.
	It's non-commercial.
	There are no advertisements.
	Enjoy it.
	And also understand it's going to keep getting even better than it is right now, even though right now it's already the top engine in the world on reality scores.
	Like literally nothing else beats it.
	Not even Quinn, by the way, because we enhanced from Quinn.
	We made it better than Quinn for our use case by far.
	So Quenn still has a little bit of pro-vaccine bias in it, but we got rid of that.
	We Trojan horsed Quinn to create Enoch, and we now know the recipe to do that with any model.
	So we may not always use Quinn, just depends.
	If Quenn is in the lead, we'll use Quenn.
	But maybe Baeta, maybe they come out.
	I mean, they've got Ernie, I think.
	We're going to look at that.
	We're going to look at all these other engines.
	We're always going to use the best base engine, but then altered and reprogrammed with our knowledge base.
	So, hey, if someday, maybe if Facebook or Meta, if they produce an engine that's not retarded, yeah, we would consider using that.
	Sure, we would.
	But I don't think they're culturally capable of not being retarded.
	I mean, it's Zuckerberg, after all.
	It's like the human embodiment of being culturally retarded.
	What can you say?
	So check out our engine, Brighteon.ai.
	I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon, and I'm the key architect of this entire project.
	And that's why I'm thrilled to be able to share it with you and give it to you for free.
	So thank you for all your support.
	If you want to continue to support us, because yeah, we put a couple million dollars into this project with no revenue model at all.
	Like we don't earn a dime.
	But we do need your support.
	So shop with us at healthrangerstore.com.
	And over the July 4th weekend here, you can go to healthrangerstore.com slash July 4.
	And you'll see all of our specials and sales and back-end stock items.
	So take advantage of that.
	It's good through Sunday night, July 6th.
	And thank you for listening.
	Take care.
	Welcome to today's interview here on Bration.com.
	I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Bration, and happy Independence Day to all of you watching.
	We've got a real treat for you because on Saturday, July 5th, we begin streaming free of charge at brightyou.com this incredible new course called All the Things That Matter, which is a course about spirituality.
	It's about Christ.
	It's about things beyond this world.
	And the key creator of that course, Brad Cummings, who is an accomplished Bible scholar and publisher of the Founder's Bible, he joins us today to discuss this.
	And we have a lot of questions, a lot of great information to go through.
	So welcome, Brad, to the show today.
	Thank you, Mike.
	Pleasure to be here.
	Hey, it's great to have you here.
	And, you know, thank you for all that you do.
	You are valued and you are appreciated.
	I even personally appreciate some of your criticisms of my interpretations, which go off the rails usually.
	So thank you for all of that.
	And you really know the Bible inside and out and applying it to our modern time.
	So, that's the focus of today.
	It seems like, let me begin with this question, and we'll get to your course in a little bit, but right now, a lot of people are observing the world and thinking or saying, like, this seems biblical.
	Why is it that so many people are looking at current events and thinking this is like end times or book of Revelation or whatever?
	I think because most of us have been taught that as the world gets worse and worse, it's like somehow that's we're nearing the end.
	And I think what's crazy is I think that's the exact opposite, to be honest.
	I think what we're seeing is the unraveling of an awful lot of things that man has done.
	And that sets the stage for the return of Jesus, which is actually good news, not the end.
	It's just the end of the second act before we open up the third one.
	Okay, so you're saying that these events are a necessary stage to get to?
	Yeah, I think what we see is everything that man has put his hands to, it's like when you sow to the wind, you reap the whirlwind.
	We're seeing that a lot of what man has done just simply doesn't work.
	The problems are bigger than what we know how to solve.
	Yeah.
	And I think we're recognizing at this point, we actually need God's help to see this through.
	Right.
	And so I think it's actually good news, not bad, if it turns our heart back to him.
	Yeah, really good point.
	And so I agree with your assessment that we seem to be approaching the end of humanity's series of failures leading up to the potential of annihilation.
	Like we have enough technology now, military weapons, nuclear bombs, but also bioweapons and all kinds of other things.
	There's enough technology in the hands of men to destroy us all.
	And if anything would get the attention of our creator, seems like this might be one of those things.
	Do you believe that the moment of divine intervention is drawing near?
	Yeah, because I think one of the things that we miss is God has promised like five different times throughout the scriptures that as he lives, he swears by himself because there's nothing greater, the whole earth is going to be filled with the glory of God.
	I don't think we're going to end up in a ball of fire and just it's a roasty, toasty, crispy, you know, destruction.
	God has promised that he is going to bring creation into harmony with what he designed.
	And I think what we're seeing is dominion has been in the hands of men and we've made a real mess of things.
	Is it possible, though, that God's promise exists beyond this world, you know, in the heavenly realm after we destroy this realm?
	Is that possible?
	It's possible, but I think one of the things that we kind of miss is that in the Hebrew mindset, God is looking to marry heaven and earth together.
	You know, it's like when we die, we don't just go to heaven.
	Heaven is ultimately going to come down here and God is going to dwell with man on the earth.
	And so I don't think it gets destroyed.
	It might get into a real, you know, bind of difficulty, but God is going to restore all things.
	And I don't think it's like he's going to let this one get roasted and then he's going to bring a new one out from behind his back.
	Do you think that, let's talk about the book of Revelation for a minute.
	Do you think that the book of Revelation, you know, John of Patmos, do you think that's the legitimate word of God through angels speaking to him?
	Or is it something else, his fears, his visions, his dreams?
	Like, what's your take on that?
	I actually think we kind of mislook at it because it's supposed to be the revelation of Jesus Christ.
	All of creation is going to get summed up in him.
	And I think as opposed to just looking at all of the minutiae and the events that we're afraid of, we don't recognize that it's bringing all of creation back to the garden and to a wedding where God actually marries humanity as his bride.
	And that's the mystery of all the ages.
	And so I do think it's very much God's word to us, but I think man has kind of done a whole lot of crazy interpretations.
	I must have like 35 commentaries on the book of Revelation, and they all go off into odd kinds of things.
	Well, I've got my own interpretation that no one else shares either, which, but of course, I'm reading it rather literally, and I find it fascinating.
	Of course, my interpretation is about the comet impacts being described with the trumpets and the seals and so on.
	But obviously, there are many different interpretations of it.
	And then there's also the interpretation that it already happened in 70 AD, right?
	You've heard that.
	Partially, yeah.
	I mean, there's partial fulfillments in history.
	I think a lot of what we're seeing in the book of Revelation, you can find elements that have been fulfilled in history, but not the culmination of everything.
	Because it talks about the destruction of Jerusalem at different times.
	But in Isaiah 29 and Jeremiah 19, it says it will be destroyed, never to be rebuilt again.
	So it's been destroyed twice, but it's been rebuilt twice.
	So the third time is it's over.
	Let's talk about Jerusalem.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Because I think the reality is, is God is going to remove the earthly city to make way for the heavenly one to come down.
	And I think the word Jerusalem in the scriptures is a plural, and it's actually specific, a dual, meaning it's precisely two.
	And yet most of the prophets, when they've spoken about it, they didn't know that they were speaking about earthly Jerusalem or the heavenly one.
	We have to read the New Testament to kind of recognize the differentiation.
	And all of Revelation is Talking about ultimately the heavenly Jerusalem coming down here and dwelling on earth.
	And it says, we'll no longer have need of the sun or the moon because God will be in our midst as our light.
	You know, I don't know what that does to the cosmology of how we understand space and everything else, but it changes everything.
	Well, I agree with you on that point, but when I read that chapter of Revelation, which is like what, chapter 21, that talks about 21, 22?
	No sun, no moon, and the illumination comes from the beings, right?
	Comes from the souls of the beings.
	We're going to be like him.
	As we're no longer on earth, like we're no longer in the 3D space.
	Now we're in God's space, which transcends earth.
	And that's why there's no moon and no sun.
	But I would disagree because it says God is made his dwelling place here on earth.
	It was the Greek mindset that basically looked at a separation between the physical realm and the spiritual realm.
	And so the Greek mindset has this idea that salvation is being freed from this corrupt physical material world.
	That's not a biblical worldview.
	That's a Greek worldview.
	And the New Testament was written in Greek.
	And so a lot of it was flavored that way.
	But the Hebrew mindset is the marriage between the two.
	Interesting.
	God is very much committed to the earth and to it fulfilling its full purpose and all of creation and each one of us.
	But then also in Revelation, doesn't it also say that every mountain is flattened and every island is gone at the final judgment?
	I mean, that seems to indicate that every human city and building would be destroyed.
	Is that?
	Yeah, I think one of the challenges is in revelatory panoramic visions, we're not dealing with just everything as literal interpretation.
	I think there's symbolic representations of things.
	Mountains are oftentimes systems of authority and rulers.
	And so I think if there weren't a whole bunch of the rest of the Bible to help us interpret Revelation, I think it'd be super challenging because it does, you can read it.
	And I think most of it been taught to us is that everything gets destroyed.
	And it's like, oh, no, we don't want to be here.
	Interesting.
	But I think the truth is, is God is so committed to us.
	He's so committed to what he began.
	He's promised that he will finish it.
	I think one of the problems with religion, as it's been taught to us, is we think, you know, we largely sign up for the do better, try harder gospel.
	And that somehow it's through our commitment, our sincere effort that we're going to become something.
	And I think the reality is, is God's going to say, I never expected you to do this by yourself.
	I always wanted to do this with you.
	And I'm going to do something in you if you let me that will transform it all.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah.
	Allowing God to work through us.
	Yeah, because I think God is altogether far better than we've been told.
	And I think Christianity is not supposed to be this super hard thing.
	I think it's meant to be like a walk and a talk with Jesus in the cool of the day.
	And he's going to help us become the very thing that he purposed.
	Let me mention the, for those who want to watch the full course, again, it's called All the Things That Matter.
	It's at brightyou.com.
	It begins streaming free of charge with registration required, that's all, on Saturday, July 5th.
	And then it runs for 10 days with another episode repeating on a streaming loop each day.
	And let me mention our guest here, Brad Cummings, is the publisher of the Founders Bible.
	And that's the website, thefoundersbible.com.
	And this is my favorite Bible because it combines scripture with the founding fathers of America and how they actually interwove fundamentals of understanding of Jesus and God into things like the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and these fundamental rights.
	And a good example of that, Brad, if I could just ask you to clarify, is that our founding fathers, as they wrote and finalized the Bill of Rights, which were the first 10 amendments to the Constitution, and these were finally ratified in 1791, right?
	It was understood and written that these are rights that are given to us by God, not by government.
	That's key.
	Right.
	And they were trying to protect that, going like government is enacted to protect our rights, not to become the boss of us.
	Right.
	Correct.
	So, whereas how that's been twisted today is that a lot of people believe that government gives you your rights and that therefore government can take them away.
	Yeah, it's like the forgotten sovereign is a double entendre.
	It's God who's the king.
	We start first with a king and a monarch, and then he gives us rights.
	And then we set up government to protect those rights.
	We, the people, collectively, are supposed to be the one in charge.
	And I think what we're seeing is because we have been derelict in our duty of doing the keeping function of keeping government in check, it has usurped its place.
	It's become the boss.
	It thinks it's God.
	True.
	And it just, you know, I think what we're seeing is an unraveling of all of that.
	I think to bring us to a place of real repentance where we kind of go like, hey, God, sorry.
	We forgot you were a necessary part of the equation.
	Could you help us, please?
	Well, a good example of that is right now, you know, big debate about the so-called big beautiful bill.
	And I see that the advocates of the bill are saying, no tax on tips.
	No tax on tips.
	How awesome is that?
	And I'm thinking, you are settling for no tax on tips when all taxation is theft.
	It should be no tax period.
	You know, I mean, it's the slave mindset that has become adopted by the vast majority of Americans today, and not to mention Europeans, Where it's even worse.
	It's astonishing to me that they will settle like they're prisoners in a prison planet and they will settle for little crumbs like no tax on tips and they will celebrate that as a reason to support the prison guards.
	Yeah.
	You know, it's crazy.
	Yeah.
	I mean, we are so far away from the foundations of our constitution.
	I think the real problem is, I mean, the reason we did the founders Bible is because I'm going like, I graduated from seminary with a master's degree in 16 units of U.S. history.
	And the truth is when I met David Barton, who is our signature historian, I didn't know about 85% of the stuff that he was exposing me to.
	And I realized, oh my gosh, we have been lied to.
	Wow.
	There is a beautiful foundation that was laid to establish liberty for everyone, not just a limited few.
	And I think when Benjamin Franklin was asked, you know, what form of government do we have?
	He said, a republic, ma'am, if you can keep it.
	A republic is the most fragile form of government there is, but it brings maximum liberty, but it requires maximum engagement from the citizens.
	The founders knew the only check for an out-of-control government was the people.
	But the people have forgotten that.
	And so we've not done our job.
	And we go, I hate politics.
	It's like, whether you hate it or like it, you're going to get it.
	And unless you're engaged in it, it will tyrannize you.
	Yeah, well said.
	And, you know, excuse me, here we are looking at the fact that the GOP is supporting an expansion of government now.
	No one believes in small government in Washington anymore.
	Except Thomas Massey.
	Yeah, who is being really viciously attacked by President Trump, right?
	And even Rand Paul, I think, is also in that same boat.
	But the institution of government has in many ways been weaponized against the people in contradiction to the intention of the founding fathers that we just talked about.
	But I want to also mention that the institution of the church has also suffered, I think, a similar kind of erosion of the understanding of the role of Christ in our lives and the role of the individual responsibility on that spiritual journey.
	So would you like to address some of that?
	Yeah, I mean, just as we have the military industrial complex, I think we have the medical industrial complex and I think we have the religious industrial complex.
	Jesus didn't come up to set up institutions and then a hierarchy of authority.
	He called people into relationship with him.
	And I think sadly, most people kind of prefer to have God at a distance.
	They show up.
	They feel like they're doing their duty and doing that, but they're kind of frightened of actually knowing him for themselves.
	That's kind of a scary exposure thing.
	And so it's easier to be told what to do.
	And so I think sadly, that's the state of where we're at is the church is always meant to have been something that is each one of us has a direct relationship with God.
	I mean, I used to be a pastor and I happily resigned because I didn't think it was working.
	We had the most successful church in LA.
	A lot was going on.
	Great.
	But then there was a whole bunch of corruption that was happening.
	I'm just going like, we're not supposed to be doing this.
	And so I'm not a real big fan of the industrialized, institutionalized church.
	Nor am I. Of course, and I apologize for the background noise.
	We just got hit with like a cloud burst of rain as you were saying that.
	I had to mute myself during that.
	Maybe God's saying yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Maybe there's an exclamation mark that just hit our roof here.
	That's for sure.
	But yeah, you know, I have become very disillusioned about the institution of the church, but also at the same time, even more deeply reverent about the teachings of Christ and how important that is for our time.
	But I see this divergence.
	And let me ask you, I'll try not to get you into too much hot water.
	This may be politically sensitive, but what I witnessed and what became very frustrating for me was seeing so many people quoting the Bible in order to justify violence against civilians in other countries.
	And that immediately struck me as, no, that's wrong.
	That is not what Jesus taught.
	It's exactly the opposite of what Jesus taught.
	But it shows how Bible teachings can be distorted, Old Testament and new, in order to achieve political crimes.
	Yeah, and so much of what has been standard fair that's been taught to people is God has this special chosen people, and we don't recognize that that was always a conditional element and that he actually kicked them out of the land because they completely forsook the covenant and him.
	And so we've been left with this kind of narrative that has been given to people, and they think they're kind of being virtuous in supporting, quote, the home team.
	And it somehow doesn't matter what they do.
	And I'm just going like, you have to throw out 99% of your Bible to come to that conclusion.
	And I think one of the biggest problems is most people don't read the Bible for themselves.
	They have it taught to them by somebody.
	That is true.
	That's one of the biggest problems is because each one of us is responsible to know the truth.
	And I can't blame my pastor for telling me something wrong.
	I'm supposed to test it and see if that's true.
	And if I'm not seeking it for myself and waiting for a sense of a double witness, man, it says in the Old Testament that we're not supposed to eat unclean animals that don't have a cloven hoof.
	And for most of my Christian life, I had no idea what that was about.
	But that's about how do we eat clean spiritual food?
	And you got to eat something that stands on the double witness of truth.
	Let everything be established by the presence of two or Three witnesses.
	It doesn't matter what I say and how firmly I believe it's true.
	If I say something, you're supposed to check it out.
	And you're also supposed to wait till you have that inner witness from the Holy Spirit that says, yes, that's true.
	Yeah.
	You get some confirming element from somebody else.
	Most of us don't bother to check.
	I'm so glad you're saying this because I, although I'm nowhere near, you know, an expert in scripture, I do read it.
	I make sure I'm reading it and I'm quoting it.
	And one of the reasons I stopped doing podcasts about scripture was because I ran into these situations where I would read scripture and no one would believe me.
	And I came up with this saying, I said, the hardest thing in the world is to convince a Christian of what's written in the Bible.
	And that's what I've lived with since then, because I realize it's pointless to read the Bible to a Christian when they already have, and I'm talking like mainstream mega church Christians, not people like you and those watching this who are more independent thinking, but the mainstream industrialized Christians, they have a view of the Bible that they are convinced is true when it absolutely is not true.
	It is false, but you can't teach them what the Bible says.
	At least that's my experience.
	It's interesting.
	Jesus rebuked the Pharisees in his day.
	And who were the Pharisees?
	They were the super students of the scriptures.
	And he said to them, he said, you neither understand the scriptures nor the power of God.
	He said, you search them because you think that in the scriptures you're going to find life, but yet you refuse to come to me.
	And it's they that are testifying of me.
	And so the Bible is meant to be not, it's not life-giving in and of itself.
	It's meant to be a stepping stone to fellowship with the author.
	Yes.
	We're supposed to be coming to Jesus to have life.
	And I don't think, I think most people are settled like, I just, I read my chapter.
	I did my little tick box and, you know, I've done my devotion.
	I don't really care about your devotions.
	I want to see a life that's lived out in devotion to the one we're following.
	This is why your course is so critical.
	And I love your title, All the Things That Matter, because now you're talking about the application of this.
	Just like you said, a spiritual journey doesn't end with the rote memorization or reciting of scripture, tithing to a church, singing hymns, or even technically attending church.
	And I've received flack by telling people, you do not have to attend church in order to know Christ.
	I mean, you can't.
	Church is you.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	It's not the building.
	The building is where the church meets.
	It's not the church.
	Just like Jesus of Nazareth himself.
	He was a roving teacher.
	I mean, he didn't.
	My understanding is he wasn't a fan of the temples at all.
	I mean, so tell us about your corpse.
	It's going to get destroyed.
	And the glory of God leaves the place and it never returns to that place.
	So when the temple got destroyed, the glory never returned there.
	They rebuilt it, but guess what?
	God was no longer dwelling inside.
	You know, one of the big things of the second temple, which is the temple that Jesus showed up and there, God was not dwelling in there.
	They did not have the Ark of the Covenant.
	They did not have the presence of God dwelling in there in the Holy of Holies.
	And yet everyone else assumed that it was because that's what they, you know, had seen in the other scrolls.
	But the high priest would go in there once a year and he should have come out.
	The first one that went in there should have come out running like, help, help.
	He's not here.
	But everyone just kept quiet and just kept going through the motions.
	I kind of feel like so much of church that we do today, God is supposed to be there dwelling in the midst with us.
	And that's supposed to be a felt known reality.
	That's not supposed to be just for some super holy special people.
	Can you go ahead?
	Yeah.
	Can you speak?
	One of the most profound things you ever said to me.
	And yes, I do remember most of what you've told me is about the fact that God's covenant is with all people, not just certain special people.
	So some people like to claim, no, no, no, we are God's chosen people, nobody else.
	But that's not true.
	All of us are children of God.
	Can you please explain that covenant with all of us?
	Can I give you a wonderful verse that will blow most people's minds?
	Please, please.
	It's 1 Timothy 4, 10.
	Oh, that's okay.
	And it is for this that we labor and strive because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the savior of all men, especially of believers.
	What?
	How is God the Savior of all men, but he's especially the savior of believers?
	Well, that means he's also your savior.
	You haven't sat and thought about that, but that's talking about the universality of mankind.
	He was the Messiah and the Savior for everybody.
	And just to be clear, that includes people of every religious faith or even the non-faithful atheists.
	If he's the savior, especially of believers, it would suggest that he's actually going to save even unbelievers.
	It's just the fact of salvation has been secured in what Jesus did on the cross.
	There's no other salvation apart from him.
	But the timing of that is dependent upon how we respond to that.
	Some people respond to him in this lifetime.
	And there's a special blessing for doing that.
	And this is where most people go like, oh, you're now about to go into the heretical place.
	And I'm going like, no, it's just you haven't really read your Bible.
	There's a thing at the end of the millennium that's a thousand year reign where Christ is on the earth with us, ruling and reigning.
	And at the end of all that, everybody gets resurrected from the dead, both the righteous and the wicked, and they all get resurrected bodies.
	And then the righteous at that time, it says that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the Father.
	The word to confess is not just to speak the same as, but to speak the same as with joyful agreement.
	That means nobody's being forced to say this.
	They'll all come to an awareness, oh my gosh, he really is God, and this is really wonderful.
	And then the believers will receive their resurrected bodies, and then they will actually go through a period of judgment.
	After the millennium, there's an age of judgment, which is no fun.
	I don't want to be a part of it.
	And you do get a way out.
	If you become one of the overcoming remnant believers and the followers of Jesus that are, you know, well done, good and faithful servant, you get exempted from that time of judgment.
	Why?
	Because you allowed him to do such a deep work in you in this life.
	He decided, I'm going to let you rule and reign with me for the millennial thousand years.
	That's such a cool deal.
	I'm going like, Lord, would you please help me qualify?
	Yeah, that's, I'm glad you mentioned that because even that topic, how do we qualify in the eyes of the Lord involves ferocious debate, obviously, you know, across so many religions.
	But I find it interesting, and please comment on this, that even Islam recognizes Christ as a prophet.
	And I believe, I think that Islam says that Christ will return.
	They acknowledge him as a prophet.
	Yes.
	I don't know that Islam really believes is worshiping the same God as the one revealed in the Bible.
	Sure.
	And the reason I say that is because when you look at the character description of that deity, they're nowhere the same.
	You know, and it's like, but the reality is, is there's only one true God, and that is God who's revealed in the Bible.
	His name is that YHWH, which is the sound of a breath.
	I think what's so amazing is we weren't supposed to add vowels into it and call him Yahweh.
	I think we're supposed to just make the sound of a breath because that's declaring his name.
	You can't participate on this planet without saying his name.
	And it doesn't matter what religion, what language.
	It's just, it's the breath.
	He is the living one.
	And he breathes his life into us.
	And he's promised.
	There's the new covenant and then there's the old covenant.
	And I think most people have that totally confused.
	You know, what you are referencing is the promise of God to the covenant was made to everybody.
	That's in Deuteronomy 29.
	And it's at the end of the wilderness wandering.
	And Moses is kind of saying, you know, Deuteronomy means the second law.
	It's like he's rehearsing everything that they should have heard and learned, but they rejected it the first go around.
	You know, when they came out of Egypt to go to, you know, Moses' job was to take them out of Egypt and bring them to Sinai.
	And then God wanted to speak to everybody direct.
	We have Sherry.
	And they all freaked out.
	They ran away.
	And they said, Moses, don't let him do that ever again.
	You go talk to him.
	It's too frightening to us.
	And then they came up.
	They said, Moses, you go talk to him.
	Find out what he wants us to do.
	And then we will do everything that you say.
	That was the invention of the thing called the old covenant.
	It's not old because it was first.
	It was old because it's Hebrew says it's obsolete.
	It never worked.
	Sorry to interrupt, but we have Dr. Sherry Tenpenny joining us now.
	Welcome, Dr. Tenpenny.
	It's always a pleasure to have you on the show.
	Oh, thank you so much.
	Thank you so much.
	I've been sitting for a little bit listening to this great conversation.
	What a great way to introduce this course.
	Absolutely.
	And, you know, thank you.
	I was so pleased to be able to have you as a guest in studio not long ago.
	That was really wonderful.
	It was really fun.
	It was a fun interview.
	Oh, it was, it was a blast.
	And we had such great feedback on that.
	You know, you are such a beloved person by our audience and so many people around the world.
	You've done so much important work for humanity, which is really aligned with what we are talking about today with Brad.
	So I want to go to Brad next and say, extend that thought to the point of this course, which is free and how it helps people achieve what I believe is part of our life's mission in this world, is to do good.
	But we have to understand the rules of the spiritual system, how it works.
	So please speak to that, Brad.
	Well, it's interesting.
	When Sherry asked me if I wanted to do another series, I was just trying to summarize what are some of the most important things that I've learned over the last 58 years of walking with Jesus.
	And so without any real intent, we just sort of discovered the title like halfway in.
	We had tried to do four sessions and I had more material that it turned into eight.
	And I just kind of said, without really knowing, it's like, you know, we're talking about all the things that really matter.
	It's like, how do I sift through all of the minutiae that's not as important?
	And what are the central things that really matter to God?
	And then how do I have a real relationship with him that walks it out without getting all stupid and religious and caught up in all these controversies?
	But actually, I'm putting my hand to the purpose and mission that he's given us as his followers in this earth.
	And so unashamedly, we try to tackle those.
	All the things that matter, it's like, you know what?
	Is it all the things?
	No, I'm not going to be arrogant enough to say that we cover every last little thing.
	What we center on those things.
	And I think one of the most important things that we look at is we've reduced following Jesus down to a simple raise my hand and make a decision for him.
	Like, well, that's nice, great.
	But then most people go like, now what?
	It's like the offer they were given is, where would you like to spend eternity in heaven or in hell?
	Well, I'll take heaven, please.
	And then so they make that decision, but then they really functionally don't know what to do from there on out.
	And I don't think that's a good idea as far as a good perspective on what it is to become a Christian.
	Well, I'm so glad.
	And I want to ask you to give us some specific examples that are in the course.
	I also want to mention Dr. Tenpenny.
	Can I call you the co-host of this course?
	Yes, I was.
	Let me call me the facilitator.
	Facilitator.
	So the facilitator, because I asked questions and, you know, we had a bit of a conversation, but this was mostly Brad's incredible revelations to our head and our heart and our walk with the Lord.
	And so I would call me the facilitator on this information.
	Perfect.
	Perfect.
	So my question to you, Brad, to continue where you were just going is, and I'll share my personal belief, which is that I've become, I reject the notion that you qualify in God's view by simply professing Jesus with your mouth, but not with your actions and deeds.
	And I know this is highly controversial to a lot of Christians, but what I see is people, they go to church, they tithe, they sing, they say, yeah, I accept Jesus was resurrected, Jesus died for our sins, he was resurrected.
	And then the next day they go out drinking and fighting and hiring prostitutes or whatever.
	And like, come on, come on.
	That doesn't work that way, I'm pretty sure.
	What do you say?
	Right.
	Well, do you know the word righteousness?
	That's a nice word in the Bible.
	Do you know in Plato's Republic, he uses that same word, but it's always translated as justice.
	And I go like, that's extraordinary.
	Righteousness and justice, the same word, but we have two totally different response to it.
	Christians have accepted this idea that, you know what, I'm not really righteous, but because of what Christ did, I get this imputed righteousness to me.
	And so I'm declared righteous, even though I still act like a hellion.
	I'm righteous because God declared me as such.
	And I'm going like, well, there's an element of truth to that.
	It is because of what Jesus has done that my sin is covered.
	But God wants to not just cover it.
	He wants to remove it and transform me.
	And I think what I really love about both you and Sherry is because you guys didn't sort of just grow up just in the church.
	You've lived your lives and successfully pursued a lot of things.
	Neither of you seem to have all the religiously transmitted diseases.
	You know, you're still kind of critically thinking for yourself.
	And so when something doesn't fit, you call BS on it.
	And I love that.
	I mean, this course was really the outgrowth of Sherry and I having a lot of wonderful conversations just as friends where she would call me, say, I don't get this.
	Or she's reading through the Bible and says, really, do I have to read to here?
	What's in here that's important?
	And it would lead to great conversations.
	And so she just kind of said, would you put together something like our conversations?
	And yeah.
	And so I think when we think of getting born again, the reality is it's not just a confession and a declaration.
	That's what we've reduced it to.
	The scripture talks about being begotten from above.
	It's like God causes his life to enter into us.
	And we're born again, begotten from an incorruptible seed.
	That gives my spirit life on the inside, which was formerly dead and separate.
	That's not what most people are doing when they raise their hand.
	They're just getting a get out of jail free card.
	And I wonder, it's like, have you really, has the life of God actually entered into you?
	Is it possible for that to happen and you not know?
	Go ahead, Sheriff.
	Let me add to that too.
	It's like, I think that when Brad talks about, you know, just raising your hand and, you know, going forth on the altar call or whatever like that, people think that there's this sudden transformation, this metamorphosis, like you're a caterpillar, you're an ugly caterpillar, suddenly turned into a butterfly.
	And it's a linear upward pattern from there forward.
	Everything is going to be hearts and butterflies and just wonderful things.
	And everything will be resolved and God will just make smooth your paths and all this stuff.
	And, you know, that's not life.
	And honestly, that's not where you grow.
	You know, it's the struggles and the weaknesses and the betrayals and the illnesses and the different things that happen to you that make you dig in deeper and say, what is this about God?
	And you can get mad at him sometimes and say, this is not making any sense to me.
	I've always said, you know, God's got kind of big shoulders and I think he knows what you're thinking anyway.
	So you might as well just tell him you're mad at him.
	And it's a relationship.
	And in a relationship, if you truly have a friend or a spouse or really a relationship with somebody, you don't always get along.
	And sometimes it's in the blow up that you kind of then sit back, that you end up with more love, more in the resolution, more love, more closeness, more forgiveness, and you understand each other better.
	And that's in my experience.
	And then from all the conversations I've had with Brad, that's kind of me.
	You know, when I get mad and say, I'm disappointed by this, or I don't understand this, or why is this happening?
	And, you know, I'm stomping my foot like an obstephorous two-year-old, you know, and just like, and Brad would sort of say, but have you thought about it this way?
	And then go back and talk to God about it.
	And that's where we grow.
	It's not in, you know, it's not in the good times.
	It's in the bad times.
	Yeah.
	And it's really understanding that those, those are the times that make you stronger.
	I'm really glad you said that, Sherry, because that leads me to a question I wanted to ask Brad anyway, which is about: is it true that this course can help people who are already well-versed in scripture, in the practice of Christianity, as well as people who really don't know much about the Bible at all?
	Because it seems very practical to me, what you're offering.
	Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest.
	I went to seminary.
	I was very good.
	I'm super smart as a person, but that's not the same thing as actually walking this out and having a real relationship with the living God.
	I think we get far too mental and erudite and we cerebrate about God as opposed to actually talk to him and figure this out with him.
	We're not on our own, but most people do their Christian life as if they are.
	And it's why it's not working and it's not very satisfying.
	And I'm going like, I've been a pastor for forever and I have sort of no shock ability.
	Human beings are capable of all kinds of evil and unkindness towards one another.
	And most of it's because we really haven't yet laid hold of God's love for us.
	We love because he first loved us.
	And so this course is trying to take it all out of the ether and make it make sense and make it make sense to someone that knows a lot or doesn't know anything.
	And I'll add to that too, is that, you know, where I really think this course really resonates is with kind of the lukewarm Christian, you know, the people that have been doing all the things you've been talking about, going to church and, you know, they've been reading their Bible.
	They've been, you know, thinking, you know, been walking with God for a long time, but they don't have any spark.
	They don't have any real big enthusiasm.
	So I think that this really will put the enthusiasm back in for their savior and for what they believe and want to dig in and learn more.
	And for the people that are sitting on the fence, it's like, yeah, I tried Christianity.
	I don't know.
	It didn't really work for me.
	But when they really listen to what Brad has to say through this course, it will give them so much hope.
	And they'll feel like I need to jump off the fence and, you know, deep dive into the pool to be able to really absorb God's heart and to know what his real plan is for us.
	I'm so glad you said that.
	And I'll respond.
	And also, Brad, I know you'll love to hear this, that the most important thing that I've taken out of attempting to learn and teach some lessons from the Bible is a great deepening of my love for humanity.
	Now, of course, great skepticism of institutionalized religion at the same time, but my love for humanity has become so much stronger since reading scripture.
	Yeah.
	And to the point where it's politically incorrect.
	It's like, you're not allowed to love everybody.
	No, you can only love these people.
	You got to hate these people and you got to call for death to those people, but you can't say death to these people.
	Right.
	And I'm like, wait a second.
	I actually love all human beings equally.
	How very Jesus of you, Mike.
	Well, apparently I'm a heretic for saying such things, you know, but then again, so was he.
	Again, you don't have the religiously transmitted diseases.
	You haven't had spiritual racism taught to you and bred into you.
	That's a very powerful term, spiritual racism.
	That's very, you know, I think the reality is, is God has hid himself just about everywhere.
	And where anyone in the dark is groping for him, he's egging them closer.
	Do they have it all true?
	No, they don't.
	But are they searching for him?
	Is there an ache in their heart that they're trying to fill?
	Yeah.
	And God is going to work with that.
	You know what I mean?
	God isn't going like, oh, you grew up in a Muslim home.
	Sorry, can't do that.
	Your doctrine's wrong.
	You know, the thief on the cross that was next to Jesus, he's the only one that we have red letter confirmation is confirmed as saved and will be with Jesus wherever paradise is.
	And did he have his doctrine correct?
	Doubtful.
	Did he know what the Trinity was?
	Doubtful.
	Did he get baptized?
	Not unless Jesus hogged up a big Lugie and spit on him.
	No.
	So what saved him?
	It was looking at Jesus and recognizing simple thing.
	He's innocent.
	I'm guilty.
	There's something about him.
	I want his life.
	I want to be with him.
	And Jesus said, game on, today you will be with me in paradise.
	You know, it's like, it's about that simple.
	And was that conversion real?
	Yeah, it was.
	That guy still died an excruciating form of death, the most torturous thing you could go through.
	And his death didn't save me, but Jesus' death kind of did.
	I'd love to ask this question about what you guys think.
	And it's not a test, but is it Jesus' life that saves me or his death that saves me?
	That's a good question.
	What would you guys think?
	I think no matter what I say, the audience will go insane.
	So what, Mike?
	Sherry, you want to tackle this one first?
	This is awesome.
	I honestly would say both.
	His life is an image in a guidepost, and his death saves me through his resurrection.
	And it's like the conquering of death.
	So I think it's both.
	His life, the way he lived it, his teachings, what he tried to teach us about God and the way to live and et cetera.
	And then his death, when he bore all of our sins and transmuted them through his resurrection into separating us as far as the East is from the West.
	I think it's both.
	Yeah.
	And I think the problem is, is most of us Have been taught that it's the death of Jesus that saves me in a confessional, declarational way.
	And I'm going like, yes, that's partly true, but it's his life in me that changes me and transforms me.
	Salvation is not just a one, one, and done.
	It's happened in the past.
	It's then an ongoing transformation daily.
	And then ultimately, Peter, James, and John, who saw Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration, they kind of went, oh my gosh, that's a picture of the fullness of our salvation that will be revealed to us when he returns.
	And they wrote about it.
	John said, you know, little children, we do not know what we're going to be like when he appears, but we'll be like him.
	And then Peter talked about the salvation that we've been given that we're awaiting the full possession of it at his appearing, when he returns.
	And I'm going like, most Christians are going like, well, I prayed the prayer, but now what do I do?
	And I think that the reality is it's a lot like Mary when, you know, Gabriel showed up and said, hey, favored among women, you're going to bear the life of God in you.
	You're going to become pregnant with Jesus.
	You're going like, oh, wait, I haven't been with a man.
	How's that going to happen?
	And what was being said to her, she had no understanding for, but she said, nevertheless, I don't know how this is going to happen, but I believe your promise to me.
	And so be it done unto me according to your word.
	I don't know how everything works, but God promised to do a work in us.
	And if we'll say yes to that promise, the onus is on God to do that work in me.
	And it's me to respond to that and allow it to happen and participate.
	Brad, we're going to have to wrap it up.
	I'm sorry to interrupt.
	We're going to have to wrap it up there.
	And thank you, Sherry, for bailing me out of that pop quiz.
	But yeah, great, great answer and amazing conversation.
	Let me remind people, this stream's beginning Saturday at brightyou.com.
	And one episode each day, it's on a continuous loop for 24 hours.
	And it's free to view, or you can optionally purchase and download the entire program, which helps support Brad and Sherry's work as well as this platform.
	It's called All the Things That Matter.
	And it's great that this is happening on the Independence Day weekend because I would say this is a celebration of spiritual independence.
	I mean, but I mean, connectedness to God, but independent from artificial constructs that may have misled you, like institutionalized.
	I'm going to call it fast food drive-through religion, actually.
	It's the happy meal of religion that you really don't want, actually, with the dipping sauce and the nuggets.
	You want the reality.
	You want the real thing.
	And I think that's what this delivers.
	So we've got to wrap this up.
	I want to thank both of you for taking the time to have this conversation.
	It's really, really amazing.
	You're both such amazing givers to humanity.
	Thank you for your gifts.
	Thank you for your time.
	Thank you.
	Thanks so much.
	I enjoyed talking with both of you.
	And we'll talk off camera over the weekend.
	I'll let you know how this is going.
	But thank you so much for your time today.
	And thank all of you for watching.
	This is brightyou.com is where you can, of course, sign up for this.
	And be sure to check out Brad's book.
	It's called The Founders Bible, and his website is thefoundersbible.com.
	And it's an extraordinary assemblage of historical knowledge combined with scripture and interpretation of that scripture through the lens of our founding fathers.
	So check that out at thefoundersbible.com.
	And thank you for watching today.
	And today, I speak for all of us when I say, God bless each and every one of you for watching today.
	Happy Independence Today.
	Happy Independence Day today and all weekend.
	And take care.
	We'll talk again soon.
	We'll talk again soon.
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