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June 27, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Surveilled and Injected: Dr. Sherri Tenpenny on AI’s Threat to Health Freedom
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Welcome to part two of my interview with Dr. Sherry Tenpenny.
She joins me in studio here in Central Texas at thebrighteon.com studios to talk about her new book.
And also, we're going to talk about AI and medicine, the recent decision by Secretary Kennedy to wipe clean the 17-member ASIP CDC Advisory Board on vaccines and so much more.
Welcome, Dr. Tenpenny.
It's great to have you here in studio today.
It's so good to see you in person, Mike.
It's so great to be here.
Thank you.
It's awesome to have you here.
You know, it's just, it's been a long time since we've been together and you're always just a fun person to hang around.
People don't know that about you because you're so serious all the time in your Zoom videos, you know.
But in person, you're just a blast to hang out with.
So thank you for being here.
We just recorded part one of this interview, covered a lot of important things there.
I want to encourage our audience to check out part one if you missed it.
But here in the second part, I want to start out with the AI question.
And I know you're skeptical of AI and rightly so.
And you know, we're about to release a free AI engine that's trained on material that includes our interviews.
Oh, wow.
So it's a completely different AI.
It's just days away from being released.
I was just looking at it this morning.
I got to check off a couple of checkboxes and then it's done.
But what's your take on AI's role in medicine?
Oh, also, Makari of the FDA and Secretary Kennedy and others have talked about bringing in a lot of AI automation into their agencies.
So give us your big picture take on AI and what's happening.
Oh, that's like a three-part question.
I know.
Sorry.
I'll probably add a fourth part on pretty soon here.
I think that, well, I think that AI is in its infancy.
I think that it has a, you know, if you think about it, somebody explained it to me a few months ago.
They said, when you start working with your AI tool, think about it as like a seven-year-old, that it really needs very explicit instructions.
True.
It wants to please, but it needs very explicit instructions.
And I just know from my own personal experience of using, I use AI kind of as an editor, or if I want to come up with a quick facts, like make me a list of, you know, something like that.
It's like a research tool.
Yeah, it's a research tool.
And it's easier to use and more, has more answers than Google does now.
Absolutely.
And so, but I've also, it makes errors a lot.
And if you don't know that that's an error to ask the question, like for example, I'll give you an example.
I wanted to list a complete list of all the vaccines that were on the pediatric schedule.
And I wanted to see what it was going to do.
And it made a mistake.
And so I said, you forgot COVID and the new RSV vaccines and there was one other thing.
And then it's so creepy because then AI apologizes to you.
It says, I'm so sorry.
You're absolutely right.
Let me go look again.
And after when I finished my book, because I had used sections, I'd used put, like I write a section and then I put it into AI to edit it or to make it stronger or whatever.
And so after it was all done, I said, that's it, I'm done.
Then AI gives me the message saying, thank you for the opportunity to help you with your book.
I hope it's really successful.
Please keep me in mind if you need to use me again in the future.
And it was like creepy.
And so there.
That's just fine-tuning behavior.
Yeah, but it's still, it's creepy because it's just a software.
It's not like you're talking to somebody.
So I guess I'm saying that to say that there's a lot of early adaptations to AI to be able to roll it into a complex system like diagnosing human beings and the subtleties that go into being able to diagnose appropriately.
Like when you're talking to someone and you see a facial inflection or a tone of their voice and you see a shift of body language, AI isn't going to be able to pick that up.
At least not the way it is right now.
Well, I would say that AI is really great at pattern recognition.
So diagnosing, you know, or let's say analyzing chest x-rays, right?
Or even looking at blood work and then forming conclusions based on inputs of symptoms.
I think AI will be very good at diagnosis, actually.
But where it's bad is fact-checking, like you said.
And a good way to understand this is, you know how visually the AI image generators, you know how they'll generate people who always have six fingers?
Have you seen examples of that?
Yeah.
It's like, because the AI is like, well, it's pretty much looks like a bunch of fingers.
But it's fact check-wise, it's got too many fingers.
Well, it does that with your vaccine list.
It's like, yeah, this list pretty much looks like vaccine list.
It might have six fingers, you know, in terms of the text.
That's the way AI works.
It generates images that have the vibe of the prompt, but may not actually make sense rationally.
And I'm worried about things like, and you know, we did an interview with you and we did our little AI course about AI and healthcare a while back.
And so we did a course, and that's available at learningforyou.org if you want to see what our take was on that.
And there was concerns about, you know, like I said, the subtleties of medicine, if you're talking to somebody and say you're depressed or you'd had a bad day or something like that, maybe you just walked into the pod, into like the doctor's office, and you just had a raging argument with your spouse and you're like really mad and you're just like blowing off steam.
And the AI interprets you as having anger issues and that you need to see an anger management or you're really depressed and you're really, you know, things have been a hard week.
And they put things into your record about depression and maybe you've got government clearances or you're a pilot or something like that.
And they put that into your record and then how do you get that out?
And with this new, you know, big, beautiful bill, if that gets passed and they said that you're not allowed to question any AI interpretation for 10 years, you know, I mean, if that happens and AI puts something incorrectly into your medical record, maybe an incorrect diagnosis or interpretation, and you're not allowed to challenge it, then what?
One more reason not to visit doctors, whether they're human or AI, as far as I'm concerned.
It's like because they are.
They're surveilling you.
The current medical system is a surveillance system.
I agree.
But you're right that AI will help to automate that surveillance and gather more data points on people, and those data points can be used against you.
We just saw the sale of 23andMe.
Yep.
It was picked up by, is it a biotech company?
I believe so.
Purchased it, which purchases all the customer data.
And I've been telling people for years, don't send your spit to some corporation that you don't know what they're going to do with it.
They're going to use it against you.
Police have used that database to run unconstitutional searches on people's genetics.
And if it's a partial match, they show up at your door like, did you commit this murder?
Like, what are you talking about?
I spit into a vial, you know?
But this is just an example of what's to come.
And did you see recently that congressional hearing with the guy that's the CEO of 23andMe?
He said, we don't save any data.
And then Senator Holly puts up this thing that shows in their fine print that says, we reserve the right to maintain all of your data and your genetics, even if you cancel your account.
Did you see that one clip?
Well, I read about it.
I didn't.
It was like the guy was like sitting there like deer in a headlight.
I mean, what was he going to say?
He was caught lying to Congress.
That's the only thing they have of value is people's data.
That's what they're really selling is the data.
So anytime, you know, if you give a blood sample to a hospital, guess what?
You've just potentially given up all your privacy of what's in your blood.
And that blood sample can be retroactively analyzed, even with AI, to say, hey, maybe there were markers of drug use or intoxication.
This stuff can get you into trouble.
And it may not even be accurate because we've talked about AI errors.
But I want to ask you about prescribing drugs in particular and the replacement of human doctors with AI systems.
Because I've described human doctors, not all doctors, just to be clear.
I know many complimentary medicine doctors who are excellent people, very good at helping others.
But the mainstream pharma-funded pharma shills, I've described them as just elaborate vending machines for pharma.
That's easy to replace with AI.
What do you think?
Maybe.
And I say that maybe because the way AI is trained right now, it leans in the favor of pharmaceutical diagnosis and in the favor of the way physicians have allopathically been trained and not understand anything about root cause and things like that.
So it leans in that direction right now.
And so hopefully when Enoch comes out, that we'll have other training that will look at like root cause that, you know, I've said for years that if you go see a CPA, you expect them to know about taxes.
If you go see a lawyer, you expect them to know the law.
If you go see a doctor, they should be an expert in anatomy, physiology, and biochemistry, nutrition, and things like that.
And they're not.
They are an expert in an algorithm of defining and matching symptom with a pill.
Symptom pill, symptom pill, symptom pill, symptom pill.
And that's my point.
And that could be replaced.
That could be replaced.
So what I, here's my guess about where this is going in the future, is that your baseline health insurance offered by your employer or the government, whatever, will not include visiting human doctors except in emergencies.
Instead, you will have a login session with an AI doctor that will diagnose you and prescribe drugs.
And that conversation will be, do you feel depressed today?
And it'll be like, yeah, I feel a little down.
You need Zantex or whatever.
And like, that's what it's going to be.
It's going to be something straight out of idiocracy.
But it's not even going to be human.
And the drug companies will love this.
They will love it.
Because then they no longer have to spend all this money bribing doctors and giving them free vacations all over the place and visiting them with young sexy drug reps who are promising them to go to a rave party or something because that happens too.
So to get the doctors out of the way, the drug companies are like, we could just have AI doctors prescribing drugs for everybody all the time.
That's another dream come true for big pharma.
Prescribing drugs and vaccines.
Absolutely.
You know, because there are more than 500 mRNA vaccines in the developmental pipeline.
Is that right?
I've been told that, and I have seen evidence of that.
And so, you know, it's a vaccine not only for every pathogen that's out there, but also for things like periodontal disease and high cholesterol.
And those are vaccines that are in the pipeline.
And the edible vaccines that are in the pipeline that I've been watching this for probably 15 years because they've had trouble with it.
Because part of it is, let's say that they create a head of lettuce that grows up and it has hepatitis B vaccine in it.
Well, how do you dose that?
And maybe you're the person that eats a salad every day for lunch.
How many doses of hepatitis B vaccine do you get?
I mean, it's just absolutely insanity.
And it's a vaccination nation.
There's even a book by that name.
And that we just really are going to be pushing people into vaccine passports, because they want everybody inoculated.
And the real military definition of the word inoculation is to inject with the intent to harm.
And so that goes way back into the literature.
And so it's difficult to find, but it's there and I've read it.
But it's so ridiculous how they push vaccines for everything under the sun.
How much you want to bet if they rolled out a climate change vaccine, people would line up and take that.
Yeah, if they cut down their burps and farts, right?
So they're not contributing to global warming.
Like the pills that they were giving cows to cut down on the methane production that was making the cows very, very sick because that's part of the digestive process of all the stomachs of a cow.
It's just terrible.
But they, you know, the pandemic psyop continues with, oh, there's a new strain of COVID now.
There's another bird flu.
There's this and that.
So let me ask you this question.
Many people in our movement question the assumptions of virology itself, right?
That you can isolate viruses that are monolithic particles from this sick person.
You can isolate them, put them under a microscope that we have right here.
You can see them, they all look the same, and then you introduce those to another person.
It makes that person sick with the same symptoms as the first person.
My understanding is that that hasn't actually been shown to be the case.
What's your take?
That's a section that I write in the book.
I write about that because if I'm going to write a whole book about bird flu and adjuvants and vaccines and things like that, I better put in there what my take about that is.
And there's four parts of that that I go into in the book.
And the main thing that what you just described is something called the Cox postulates.
Now, I found a research, and you mentioned how deep I go back in the research.
These are articles that were written in the 1930s that were talking about that Cox postulates came about to be, were meant to apply to bacterial infections.
Well, that makes sense.
And that they were devised in the late 1800s pre-identification of viruses.
And that the things like viruses and prions and things like that don't follow the Cox postulates.
And the conclusion to that, and what I write about in that section, there's four parts of it.
This is just part one, is that the Cox postulates were meant to be guidelines, not absolutes.
And they've had to modify some of the Cox postulates because one of the postulates is that this, whatever's making people sick is only found in sick people.
But then when they found cholera and typhoid and carriers, you know, the people that could be carriers and things like that, it doesn't really apply.
And then I talk about the fact that there are big viral infections that have wiped out entire crops.
And this was before EMF and before, you know, all these things.
People are like, to me, kind of like pulling things like sunspots and things like that out into thing.
And you look at some of the epidemics that happened back in the 1600s and all these different things.
And so I write about that pretty extensively that, you know, there's, I think, the bottom line of what I think is that I think that I believe viruses exist.
I believe that there's a lot of things that cause illness that are not viruses that we label as viruses.
Oh, that's interesting.
That we call, you know, things like EMFs and those sorts of things that make people sick.
5G, you know, all that stuff that can make people sick or other toxicities in the environment, in our water, that we say, and then we get gastroenteritis.
We say, well, we had a stomach virus over the weekend.
Well, it wasn't that.
It was something that you ate or something that, some chemical or something that you came in contact with.
So I think there's a lot of things that we call viruses that aren't, that have been around for a long time.
I think that there are viruses that exist.
And I talk about a big fish epidemic and different things in the book.
And I think that, you know, one of the cool things was, well, because you can't see it, it doesn't exist.
Well, 5G doesn't, you can't see that.
You can't see ultrasounds.
You can't see MRIs.
You can't see a lot of those things.
So, you know, that's kind of a problem.
And so I think that, in my opinion, and I'm, you know, I'm willing to listen, I'm willing to learn into kind of things, but I think that there's holes in the no virus argument.
And I also saw the other thing that I said is like, you know, they say, well, you can't take like, you know, a sick person and take their mucus and put it onto somebody else and make them sick.
Well, has anybody really analyzed mucus?
It's got white blood cells and cytokines and all that stuff that may have neutralized the effect of that pathogen.
And so it doesn't really have any reproductive things or ability to make people sick.
So if you're taking it already in that goo and trying to make somebody sick from it, but it's been neutralized in the goo of the mucus and all that sort of thing.
And so that's really interesting.
And I've often wondered about when people have pneumonia, you know, and they're coughing up all this stuff.
The only thing that we look at is that mucus that comes out is we're looking to scram stain it to see if it's a bacterial infection or we call it a viral or something like that.
Why don't we look at it to see what kind of chemicals and heavy metals and all this stuff that your body is working to expel?
We don't test it for any of that.
That is really interesting.
That reminds me of, but one of the things, and I'm really glad we're having this discussion, one of the things that I ran into as an ISO accredited laboratory is, and we can buy certified reference materials of almost anything, bacteria, fungi, single-celled organisms, or glyphosate, any herbicide, any heavy metal.
We can buy standards, certified reference materials or external standards, and we can see those standards on our instruments and we can see the concentrations.
You cannot buy a standard of SARS-CoV-2.
No such standard exists.
And the places that we normally go to to buy standards, some of them would offer what they call a standard, but it's a vial of goo.
And it's a vial of goo that they list that includes like bovine blood serum.
It's almost like a vaccine itself.
It's got different animal parts in it.
And then they say the original sample was collected from the snot of a woman who got off the plane from China in like 2020, and she was symptomatic.
And that's it.
So then they say this is a standard of SARS-CoV-2, but it's all this other stuff.
You know what I'm saying?
So as a laboratory, how can I tell my instrument that here's a standard of something when I can't even buy a standard that is just this one thing?
Well, I've often wondered like a lot of people that make a lot of claims about, you know, take this product and it removes the spike protein from your body.
I wanted to ask you about that too, but go ahead, yeah.
Because to my knowledge, and maybe I'm wrong about this, but to my knowledge, there's no way, there's no blood, urine, saliva, stool test to measure spike protein.
And so if you don't have, if you can't get a test and say, I've got this much spike protein in my body, and I'm going to do this supplement, This IV therapy, this red light therapy, whatever it is, and then you retest it and you see that there's a difference.
How can you make claims that this product or this protocol lowers spike protein?
And particularly because spike protein supposedly buries into tissue and it can go into DNA and change your DNA.
So how can you say, you know, they want to see those tests too.
They sued Eric Naputi, you know, Dr. Eric Naputi for half a trillion dollars over making claims that zinc and vitamin D could support your immune system.
Yeah, that was insane.
They sued him.
But all of these companies out there with all of these products saying take this and this will lower your spike protein.
How do they know?
Well, I always have that question because I run a lab and I want to see the data on these things as well.
But the fact that I can't get a standard of the original virus, that's been a big clue for me that something is fishy about this.
I think you're right that there are, it's way more complex than people make it.
There are multiple factors.
Sometimes it's called a virus when it isn't.
When it isn't.
And if you look at any of the taxonomy tables of viruses, you know, it's very complex and they talk about all the different parts of this and it goes on forever.
I mean, they're really, really long.
And I said in the book, I talk about that in the book, and I say, you know, that's an awful lot of detail on something that doesn't exist.
Well, you know, but humans invent incredible complexity about things.
Well, maybe, but there's all kinds of different vaccines or different viruses.
Fantasy football.
You've seen people playing fantasy football.
Plants and animals and fish.
Did you know, I did this for another book that I'm working on right now.
Did you know that there's 50 vaccines for fish?
No, I didn't know that.
50.
What if, wow.
What if instead of viruses, they're just doing protein sequences.
And of course, there's going to be trillions of different protein sequences.
Because that's all they're sequencing is proteins, and then they call it a virus.
Well, you know, like I said, there are things that I think are causing people to be sick that we label as viruses that aren't.
Yeah.
And I think, you know, there are things that aren't viruses.
And then I think that there's something, maybe it's a protein, but there's a pathogen that goes out and makes people sick.
And people, you know, that have, say, Susanna Humphries and I have had this conversation.
We know shedding can make people sick.
It can make people sick.
We know that, you know, if you're around somebody that's sick, then, you know, the next day you may have a scratchy throat and all these different things.
But there's another theory on that that I want to run by you here, which is a non-material, contagious, energetic explanation that might be a factor.
Like what we're doing with the xylitol in our microscope, we are getting extraordinary results that would blow your mind.
I'm not even going to bring it up here, but it's sketching out images that have to do with basically the way we prompt the universe, you could say.
And it sounds woo-woo, but it's not.
This is like the work of Dr. Emoto, where you can impact the formation of 3D structures.
We actually have video footage of it based on your consciousness.
And is it possible that there could be sick people who are sick consciously, spiritually, and physically, and maybe the physical manifestation is the last rendition of that sickness.
And then they energetically negatively cloud the people around them.
Is that a possible vector?
Sure.
I mean, why not?
I mean, I don't know either.
I don't know the answer, but why not?
And that's why, you know, when I write that section in the book, you know, at the end I say, listen, I think there's a lot more to this than what we really know.
I'm open-minded enough to know that I'm going to assess new information.
But I think that, and the other thing is, why does this have to be such an absolutist?
True.
Why do we have to say it's black or white and there's nothing in between?
And there's this contentiousness.
And I've said that, I really think that it's another divisive thing inside of the health freedom movement.
Interesting.
Because either you're a no virus person or you are a virus person and the no virus people take you to task on the internet and beat you up and they're not nice about how stupid you are that you can't see that there's no such thing as a virus.
And it's like, can't we just respectfully disagree here?
Well, it's like the flat earth people do that a lot.
I noticed.
They're like, the earth is flat and you suck.
And like, that's not a debate.
You know?
Yeah, it's true.
Same vernacular.
You know, it's like, I've determined that I'm right and you're wrong and I'm going to make a big point about it.
Can't we just say, I'm open to the discussion, but we're just going to have to respectfully disagree on this.
Well, and we know, you and I would both agree that there are engineered toxins like VX nerve gas.
Yeah.
Right.
And there are probably, you know, millions of engineered toxins that, and we've documented the whole history of the U.S. government releasing toxins on the people.
Right.
Sometimes they were strains of bacteria, like in San Francisco, I think that was Operation C-Spray in 1950, if I'm remembering correctly.
The serrations, Marsescin sort of thing that they sprayed.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
You remember that?
You are a researcher.
I tell you what.
But they did it on, it's not just Tuskegee.
They ran experiments on prisoners and they exposed people to all kinds of things.
And those things don't have to be viruses to be toxic, right?
They're just deadly chemicals.
Well, that's what I said.
Some people, you know, there's chemicals, there's EMFs, there's 5G, there's, you know, whatever they're spraying in the air, the chemtrails, all of the stuff that you're testing and looking at the fog sort of stuff.
We feed it white sugar, by the way.
That's what we feed the strains over there.
You know, like in Florida, the fog sort of particle sort of stuff.
And I think that's what you're looking at.
So there's a lot of things that people that don't listen to you or me or read anything that I write or anybody else writes, that they just say, well, I just, you know, I'm coughing.
I must have a virus, right?
So there's a lot of things that they call viruses that are not viruses.
Clearly.
And so that are really poisons and are really chemicals, are really irritants.
They cause cytokine problems and things like that.
But there are other evidence that shows that this pathogen exists and is passed along and different, and it's not chemicals.
And it was long before these sort of things were long before they had EMFs and 5Gs and chemtrails and all this other stuff.
Well, I just noticed, and then we're going to move on beyond this topic, but this is a great conversation.
But I always notice every time they show us a picture of COVID, it's a sorry, but it's a bullshit 3D rendering that they made in a computer.
Like, they never show us a picture of a pile of COVID under an electron microscope.
Like, where's that?
It's kind of like that kind of go along with the fact that the whole COVID, SARS-CoV-Doo was laboratory made from the first place?
That it was not anything found in nature, that, you know, the coronaviruses, they've been around supposedly since the 60s.
And that every year, about 35% of influenza-like illness is caused by coronaviruses.
Every year it's been that way.
It's been documented for a long time.
I write about that too.
And then, but so this SARS-CoV-2 is a synthetically made something in a lab that has HIV as part of it, that has all these, you know, all the, and it has the lipid nanoparticles and all these other stuff that's involved with it, and the cowblood.
And I actually saw a list the other day that actually showed particles from the fall armyworm, like when they make those bakloviruses, that there's proteins in SARS-CoV, in the COVID vaccine from these Swiss Army worm things.
Yeah, I saw that.
Swiss armyworms.
You know, there's a flu shot that they make from that.
It's called flu block.
It's called flu block.
It's made from a baklovirus that's grown in a Swiss army, that's grown in an army worm.
Then they extract that and they put it into a flu shot.
It's called flu block.
Wow.
Okay.
One more reason not to take flu shots.
It's like sometimes when we ask what we think are common sense questions and then you get put down like it's some grand conspiracy.
Like I'm still asking the question, if a passenger jet hit the Pentagon on 9-11, where's all the luggage?
Where's the few fichelage?
Where's all the plane parts?
Because we've seen plane crash.
There should be like landing gear somewhere.
There should be luggage all over the place and maybe people's bodies all over the lawn of the Pentagon.
No, nothing.
No photos at all that show any plane parts.
And so I just have those questions like, what's missing in this picture?
Something's missing.
All right, let's shift gears.
Let's talk about Secretary Kennedy.
Obviously, I mean, he's in a very tough spot.
Let's be serious because he's getting blasted by the whole pharma shill industry that hates anything he does that takes away their power.
But he's also getting blasted by the health freedom movement for not doing enough.
And I've been critical at times.
What's your overall take of what Secretary Kennedy is up to?
And is he doing a good job?
Just give us your take.
I think that he is moving the needle as far and as fast as he can, given the circumstances.
And those of us who are not part of politics don't understand how difficult it really is.
And we have no idea of the backroom deal and the conversations they have in the hall of the Senate going to the next meeting or what's happening with committees and stuff like that.
We aren't privy to any of that.
So we have no idea.
But we also know that we've known Bobby for a long time and that we know the books he's written.
We know we've heard him speak on stages with us.
We've had dinner with him.
We know what he knows.
He just went on a rant on Twitter two days ago about the mainstream media said, well, we found 250-some cases of placebo trials.
Well, just because it says the word placebo doesn't really mean it's a placebo.
So he went on this long rant on Twitter on X and showed like, let me tell you where you're wrong.
And so I think that, you know, he's got, you know, I pray for him every day.
I pray for his safety.
I mean, he's kind of got a family history of them taking people out that they don't really want to.
I pray for his safety.
I pray for wisdom.
And I know that, you know, he's walking along and every step he takes, he has to gingerly step down to make sure it's not a landmine.
I could not do his job.
No way, not a chance.
I wouldn't last a day in DC.
I could not.
You know, it was interesting because when he first was nominated, it was even before he was approved.
I had a lot of people come to me and say, if you got, you know, got the call, would you join the HHS or whatever?
I said, I don't know.
There's a lot of things to think about of whether or not I would do that.
And then I had somebody, a friend of mine, say, ask me, have you ever worked in politics before?
I said, no.
And they said, it's a place unto itself.
It's got its own rules.
It's a super swamp.
It's got its own rules that you have to abide by.
You have to smile and kiss butt on people.
You just as soon give them a left uppercut.
You can't do that.
You have to lie to get the things done that you have to do.
You have to have backroom deals.
And the person that told me this was a lawyer, was a friend of mine.
He said, because he had done some political things in the past.
He said, you may be more effective just continuing doing what you're doing and educating the people on vaccines are not safe.
They're not effective.
They're not necessary.
And every single one harms you at some cellular level.
It doesn't have to be overt.
You don't have to have anaphylaxis.
You don't have to have a seizure disorder.
You don't have to get cancer.
But every single one slices away at your health.
Absolutely.
No, I think you are more effective doing what you're doing now.
And there are many examples, like Dan Bongino was doing great podcasts until he joined the FBI.
And then he can't talk about everything now because he's the deputy director, right?
So that actually took away an outside voice and brought it into a system that's a lot less effective, I think.
Yeah, and that was one of the things if I ever, I doubtful.
I'm too loudly in the other direction.
I've been doing it for too long.
But let's say hypothetically, I get a call, says, you know, Secretary Kennedy would like to appoint you to this federal committee.
I would have to see the contract.
I would have to see if they're bringing me in to shut me up.
I would have to see, you know, like Bangino, he can't do his podcast now.
But does that mean in perpetuity?
I mean, after, after, sorry about that, after he's done with being the assistant secretary, can he not go back to podcasting?
And so I would have to see what the contract is.
I'd have to see what the compensation is.
I have a house and a dog, and I'd have to see, you know, what sort of arrangements I'd have to make for all of those sorts of things.
So, I mean, there's a lot to think about.
It's not like you can just go, I'm in, and he goes sailing to Washington, D.C. No, I wouldn't move to D.C. no matter what, because they won't let me bring my Barrett 50-caliber rifles, you know?
It's like Texas is for me.
But now, Dr. Robert Malone has been nominated by Kennedy to replace one of the 17 ACIP board members, the advisory board for the CDC.
Dr. Malone then posted on X that immediately, or within a day or two, he was contacted by some group that wanted to pay him $450 an hour to consult on vaccine advisory decisions.
And he said he hung up on them.
But he was implying that this is an immediate effort to buy you off because he's now going to be in this position.
And that started just like that.
But what, I mean, you got to give, I want to ask you, what do you think about Dr. Malone as an advisory position there?
Of course, he's also a polarizing figure for a number of reasons.
But whatever you say, I admire the fact that he publicly mentioned this thing and that he rejected it, that he had the wisdom to reject it.
But, you know, I usually don't make this about other people, but if Malone is going to be in this public position, it's worth commenting on.
What's your take on that decision?
Well, there are three people that have, I guess, said yes, or at least they've been nominated.
And I don't know how ACIP works.
I mean, if Bobby says, I want you to be on the ACIP committee and you say yes, is that all they're to it?
Or do they have to be approved by somebody?
How does that work?
I don't know how.
I don't know the approvals either.
I don't know how that works.
So there's three people.
It's not the Senate.
The Senate does not approve that.
One was the co-founder of the Barrington Declaration.
Yes.
And then Dr. Levy has been very loud against the COVID shots.
And Malone has been wishy-washy, in my opinion.
And the word that we got on the streets initially was, I need a bunch of names to pick from.
And I don't want anybody that's been a vaccine advocate.
That came down from above.
And so there was a group of us that were kind of putting people together and names.
And I don't know what happened to any of that.
And then the next day we get this list of at least eight people that have already been knighted or donned or whatever you want to say.
But there's still nine more positions to fill, right?
So and so, and then there's people outside of them.
There's outside, there's like advisory people outside of them.
And I don't know if they're still going to be there or not.
They're the rabid pharmaceutical people whispering in your ear when you're on the committee.
So I guess I'm hopeful.
But I think, you know, and then there was a lot of discussion on X about, well, anybody that looks into vaccines, I mean, even if you start with just looking at the package inserts and you start reading what's in them, after you become informed from that sort of level, don't you become against vaccines?
Or do you think that it's okay for you to look at the water?
Oh, but I think it's all, I think gravity has taken effect.
Okay.
It's going to be fine.
Don't worry about it.
So, I mean, after you start looking into it, do you stay pro-vaccine?
Like, absolutely I want all this stuff injected into kids.
You know, absolutely I want them to be injected with cowblood and chicken parts and polysorbate 80 and aluminum and all this stuff.
Absolutely.
I mean, so once you start, and does that assume you don't want any anti-vaccine people, but does that approve that anybody that's either neutral or pro-vaccine, they're going to be very valid in evaluating the data that comes out?
It's never happened so far.
What makes people think it's going to happen now?
Well, I mean, that's a good question.
I've always operated on the principle that the reason I don't like to serve on committees is because the effective aggregate IQ of the committee as a whole is inversely proportional to the number of members on the committee.
So one person can be a genius.
17 people get really stupid very quickly.
I mean, that's just any committee, right?
And usually, you know, I'm not the kind of, I don't have the personality that works well on a committee anyway, because I have very little tolerance for just bullshit and time wasting and whatever.
And obviously, I'm not going to rubber stamp anything.
And I've joked that if I were made secretary of HHS, I would only need one day in Washington because I would auction off the buildings and sell all the equipment and fire everybody and say, my job here is done.
And we'd be much better off as a country.
But that's not going to happen in reality.
So we're going to get the 17 member board.
Malone's on it.
You mentioned Levy and some others who are on it.
I don't recall all the names.
They're all going to be, they're going to be swamp tentacles wrapped around all their necks.
I mean, it's happening, like Malone said, trying to pay them off starting now.
How many people can resist?
Oh, hey, here's $50,000 a month.
We just need you to listen to our side, you know?
Or we need you to be a spy on what's actually happening.
Yeah.
Or, you know how farm operates.
Hey, we've got this blackmail on your family member, compromising photos or records or whatever.
And it'd be ashamed if something bad happened and went public.
so we need you to hear our side.
That kind of thing happens all the time.
Yep.
So I don't really know what's going to happen to the rest of the people that are down there.
But I do think the first step of firing all 17 of those people was revolutionary.
And like you had said before, you know, pharma is just like a raging bull.
Like, how could that possibly be?
And now they're going to say the AMA is going to start investigating.
I laughed at that.
It was laughable.
I mean, the AMA, the last time I looked a few years ago, only had like 15% of doctors that had actually joined it.
And I don't even know.
They're probably either the older doctors that have just been part of it for a really long time.
They forgot to unsubscribe.
Yeah.
They forgot to unsubscribe.
Basically.
Exactly.
So, you know, they really haven't had any real teeth since Fishbein was in charge of it in the 50s, you know?
Fishbein.
Only you would bring up the name of that nefarious historical character.
You're exactly right.
But also, how about the Pediatric Society, too?
Well, the Obi-Gin, the ACOG, has just been rabid, like, what do you mean we can't give COVID shots to pregnant women?
You know, and they've just been like rabid about it.
And the pediatricians are like, kids are going to die.
No, you're killing kids every day.
That's right.
And so, you know, and so I think that Secretary Kennedy's moving forward his agenda as gently as judiciously, because think about it.
It's, you know, there's a really good friend of mine that's pretty popular.
I won't say his name.
And he said that he's been involved in politics and following political things for 40 years.
And he said, in 40 years, I'm sad to say, I've only seen it get worse.
It just continually, a gradual downgrade.
He said, this is the first time that I have ever seen anything positive happening relatively quickly.
Now, we want all of this stuff to happen, like what you said, go down there and slash and burn and get rid of all the buildings and fire all the people and start over.
And, you know, we would love that because this is our industry that we've been doing for 20, 30 years.
So we've been doing this.
We know.
The rest of them don't know or they're paid off by pharma.
And so, or not only pharma, but big food, big ag, big chemical, you know, all these different things.
And so for them to even move the bar a little bit with these food colorings and food additives that should have never been in the food in the first place is a really good step.
Now, there's a lot of things that are like, in my opinion, the entire Trump administration.
Three steps forward, four steps back.
Four steps forward, three steps back.
Yeah, sometimes it feels that way.
And that's politics.
Okay.
So, anyway, I'm sorry to interrupt there.
Not trying to distract you from what you're saying.
I agree with you.
Where we're going with all this, is anybody's guess, but let's end on this note, which is that you as the individual watching this, you can make your own policy.
You don't have to wait on Secretary Kennedy.
You don't have to have 17 board members tell you whether this vaccine is safe or not.
You can get Sherry's book and you can make your own decision to say no right now.
And the book is called Zero Accountability in a Failed System.
Here it is on Amazon.
Well, there is on my desk.
It's also available on Amazon.
Zero Accountability in a Failed System with a foreword written by Dr. Suzanne Humphrey is also one of our favorite people here as well.
But Sherry, isn't that true that just, you know, instead of people always putting authority into government, they could be their own decision maker right now and just say no now.
Yeah, it's really, it's really true.
If you really understand, and we actually have done courses on this, I've talked about it a lot, that vaccines are not safe, never been proven to be safe.
They're not effective.
The way we understand effective means prevention.
They don't prevent anything.
They are not necessary.
Look at all of the unvaccinated kids and how healthy they are.
They don't go to the doctor.
They're not on daily chronic medications.
They're not necessary.
And every single one of them cause harm.
And people always say to me, well, Dr. Tempen, isn't there like one vaccine that you would agree to?
And I said, the climate change vaccine.
Maybe the climate change vaccine.
Maybe one.
And it might be if you've been bitten by a rabbit animal, identified to be rabbit animal, the rabies series, which was always intended to be therapeutic vaccine, not prevention.
That might be the only thing that you can do to try to save your life because there's another virus that people say doesn't exist.
And how come if you, this animal is so sick and it bites you and you die from it?
And so that might be the only thing that might save your life is a therapeutic vaccine.
Other than that, not a one.
And people say, well, why not?
And I said, because a little poison is still poison.
If you are consistently poisoning children, we're doing a big thing.
Our membership this month, our 10penny prime membership in the month of June is on bone health.
And so I've been doing some research into that and found that 60% of the aluminum that you get exposed to gets stored in your bones and 90% of the lead gets stored in your bones.
And so in order, so it really gets a lot stored in there in children because between the ages of zero birth and 18 years of age, if you get every dose of every vaccine, you will have almost 13,000 micrograms of aluminum injected into your body.
Now, if all of that gets stored up in your bones and also in your brain and causes problems with your kidneys, it's those repeated doses of all of those things that are causing a problem.
So it's like, you know, why would you want to inject stuff into your child that you really wouldn't even want to inject into the neighbor's cat that you hate?
You know, why would you do that?
Right.
And those injections bypass the normal protections of dietary fiber and skin and all that sort of thing.
Exactly.
So that aluminum is going to go into your body no matter what.
No matter what.
And, you know, aluminum toxicity, it's not talked about as often as mercury lead or cadmium, but I think it's tied to neurological problems.
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, you know, Chris Exley determined all of that when he did the autisms on, or when he did the, not, not, yeah, the autopsy, autopsy reports on all of those autistic brains.
He was given a set of autistic brains and he found all the aluminum tied up and all these neurofibrils and all this stuff inside of your brain.
And so all he's, you know, and after that, he got defunded and, you know, kicked out of his university and all these different things for showing that aluminum was causing all this neurofibril sort of dysfunction in sort of the brain.
So if it gets, so all of that repeated stuff leads to early dementia, ADD, ADHD, you know, all those different things, probably even seizure disorders and a lot of neurological problems.
Well, yeah, I was just thinking about seizure disorders because all that aluminum is conductive, of course.
Yeah.
So all the wiring that goes into commercial buildings now, when they're not using copper because of the cost, they use aluminum.
So it's all aluminum.
And when we use our mass spec instruments to examine the elemental composition of the fibrous clots that were being pulled out of people's bodies post-vaccine, guess what they contained?
Three conductive elements, the top two being aluminum and tin, which is used in soldering.
And in amalgams.
Tin is in amalgams.
Yes, exactly.
And then we compared it to human blood, and we found that the concentration of aluminum and tin, and also copper, another conductor, was much higher in the fibrous clot than what is found in blood itself.
Wow.
Which means that even though these fibrous clots exist in the blood passageways, you know, the arteries and so on, they were somehow concentrating these conductive elements in their own structure, which is, of course, is a kind of self-assembling structure.
That's not weird to say that.
I mean, fingernails are self-assembling.
Hair, you know, etc.
That's normal.
The liver is self-assembling, right?
But these fibrous cloths were self-assembling and they contain conductive elements.
Wow.
I mean, high concentrations.
Anyway, we could go for hours, Sherry.
We could.
Yeah, there's so much interesting stuff.
But let me encourage people to get your book.
And I'm going to read your book and I'll learn a lot.
It's called Zero Accountability in a Failed System, How Big Pharma Weaponizes Vaccines, Public Health, and the Law.
And let me give out your website to, and it's dr10penny.com.
Dr10penny.com.
My substack is drtenpenny.substack.com.
Perfect.
You can follow me on X at busy Dr. T, at BusyDr T. And if you go to DR10penny.com, that little downward arrow at the end, it drops down.
It'll show you all the different social media things that we're on and all that sort of stuff.
Oh, okay, that's great.
Do you have people impersonating you online?
Oh, yeah.
I would have to hire two more full-time people that all they do is knock down.
You know, so if anybody listening gets any notification from me to buy this Bitcoin, it's not me.
It's not me.
What do you mean you have like crypto shells impersonating you?
Slots of them.
But you're not the crypto person.
I'm not the crypto person.
And so, I mean, I get text messages all the time from my friends.
I just got this message to buy this.
I don't think this is you, but I'm just checking on whether or not this is a fake account.
And so you can tell if it's a fake account really by on, like on X, I've got like over 200,000 followers.
And, you know, any of the social media platforms that we have, we have a large number of followers.
So if you look at the number of followers and it's like 30 or 40 or 50, it's a fake account and it's not me.
That's great to know.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, and let me just wrap this up by saying how much I appreciate you.
Thank you.
And all your work.
And I've known you for so many years.
I'm a great admirer of your work.
And please keep doing what you're doing.
And even if on issues we don't always see eye to eye, or maybe with Secretary Kennedy, we don't see eye to eye, whatever, it doesn't matter.
The process that you follow of studying, learning, explaining, and sharing, that process is treasure.
Oh, thank you.
So keep it up.
Thank you, Mike.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
And thanks for coming out here today.
We really appreciate you and everything that you're doing.
And thank all of you for watching and supporting us here at Brightown.com.
And again, get Dr. Tenpenny's book one more time.
It is Zero Accountability in a Failed System.
Hey, is there an audiobook version of that available?
Not yet.
We're working on that, but it's not yet available.
It's only been out for maybe about eight weeks.
And so we're working on that.
Okay, are you, I'm just curious, you're going to hire a professional narrator or are you going to have, I've seen on Amazon they now have AI performed audio books.
And probably the pharma-slanted AI that's out there would refuse to read your book.
It would be like, refuse to read anti-vaccine books.
You know, you get some crazy robot voice.
Wow.
I don't know.
I know that people have said that because I have such a voice and I've been doing this for so long and people recognize my voice.
I mean, I can be at restaurants and have a conversation and somebody will say, people would mischievously creep around the table and say, oh, it is you.
It is Dr. Ted.
And so because they recognize my voice, because I've been doing this for 25 years and I do podcasts five days a week.
And so there's a lot of me out there.
I do interviews with people and stuff.
But I don't know that I'm going to read my own book because it takes a certain skill set to do that well.
It typically is not recommended.
But can I ask you about your voice and your pronunciation?
There's a North Dakota kind of tinge to some of your words or a northern Chicago type of pronunciation of something.
I've lived in Ohio my whole life.
It's Ohio?
That's where you've been from your whole life?
My whole life.
Why am I hearing like a little bit of a Fargo slant in it?
I don't know.
Has anyone ever said that before?
They have not.
The only other place I've lived is I went to medical school in Missouri, but that was a long time ago.
And that's just a Midwestern pronunciation.
That's my pronunciation is Midwestern.
I've lived in Ohio my whole life.
Interesting.
Okay, well, I don't know what I'm hearing, but maybe I have virus tinnitus and something's affecting my hearing.
I'm going to have to detox with some concoction of some kind.
I don't know.
But anyway, thank you, Dr. Tenpenny.
It's always a pleasure.
Thank you so much.
Mike, it's been great.
Thank you so much.
Thank you all for listening today.
And if you missed it, be sure to check out part one of this interview, also posted on brighteon.com.
And of course, you know, Dr. Tenpenny and I, we always have a great time.
It's always a fun time.
You'll have fun and you'll learn a lot in both interviews.
So be sure to check them both out.
Thanks for watching today.
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