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June 16, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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How Iboga plant medicine can end your addictions and help save the world...
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Welcome to today's interview here on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams and today we're going to take an amazing journey with two guests and we're talking about journeys in consciousness and spontaneous healing.
And we're joined today by two extraordinary guests, Dr. Tracy Scott, who is the founder of RavellaRetreats.com.
I'm just showing the website for you here and her advisor and also client Mike Mombola, who has, In fact, we're going to start with Mike about this journey involving a spontaneous healing, consciousness expansion, dare we say, surrounding a very particular molecule that exists in nature.
So welcome, both of you, to the show today.
It's an honor to have you on.
Thanks.
Thanks for having us.
Well, thank you both for taking the time.
I know you're joining us from Costa Rica, correct?
Yes.
And just to set the context, Tracy, although we're going to begin with Mike's experience here, but your retreat offers journeys in Costa Rica.
Can you just give us a quick background of what that is?
Yes, absolutely.
So we have a seven-day retreat here in the mountains of Costa Rica.
It's the Central Valley.
We're about an hour outside of And people come, and they come for all kinds of healing, obviously, deeper inner work and trauma healing.
But yes, we pick them up.
It's very customized.
It's curated experiences.
We really try to work with small groups, so no more than three at a time, because this is an intense experience.
Preferably, we work with one client at a time.
We can get into that more.
Mike can share a little bit more about his experience, too.
Thank you for that introduction.
That's extraordinary.
Let's bring in Mike.
Welcome, Mike Mombola.
It's just a great honor to have you on.
Thank you for taking the time today.
My pleasure.
Thank you, Mike.
So tell our audience a little bit about just...
Sure.
I'll give a little background and context.
How's that?
And then I'll lead in.
So I spent the first 20-plus years of my life as a founding partner of a law firm in the United States, trial attorney in a number of departments, built that up for a couple of decades, and had always chased what I perceived to be success.
And that came from an early drive to be successful, as I understood that term, for most of my life.
And so, very entrepreneurial by nature, worked hard to achieve my definition of success.
And I, at some point about a decade ago, I reached that level.
My wife and I just recently celebrated 22 years of marriage.
We had all the things I thought I ever wanted.
houses, cars, boats, beach houses, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
And I was lying on the couch of a And fortunately, we had just started meditating, so I was able to sit with that for a few minutes.
Those minutes have now led to about a decade's worth of reflection, and that sent me on what I now recognize to be a spiritual path.
And if you told me, you know, 12 or 15 years ago that I'd be here on a podcast talking about spirituality and consciousness and holistic healing, I would have spit beer through my nose laughing at me because that wasn't my world.
But now it is.
And so it was on that journey.
So all of a sudden, it's like, Mike, I say to people, what do you do when you spend 20 years climbing a mountain, you get to the top, and you realize it's not the mountain that you want to be on?
You start climbing another mountain, right?
And so that's what I did.
And that's led me on an incredibly revealing, enjoyable, exponentially exciting life, a journey.
And that spiritual journey, we were about two years into it.
So about eight years ago, we were trying to help.
My wife and I were trying to help someone we loved who was struggling with addiction, mostly alcohol, some other drugs.
And I was talking to everyone, and everyone that I spoke to had the same response, that traditional rehabs don't necessarily work.
I think the statistics in the United States are somewhere between 3% and 5%, and they do an amazing job at trying to help.
But when I really wanted to get to the core of trying to help someone, I was led to psychedelics.
And that wasn't on my radar.
It had never been part of my vocabulary.
I'd never experienced psychedelics in any way.
And when I heard it for the first time, when my mentor mentioned it to me, I jokingly said, well, we kind of don't need any more drugs.
That's part of the problem here.
And she just smiled and said, they're not drugs.
They're medicines.
They've been used by indigenous people for thousands of years around the world, and you need to learn.
And so that night, I went down to the computer.
I spent about five hours, and I came away with a really profound sense of, we've been misled as a society, and I have a lot of work to do.
So, almost immediately, I began meeting with as many people as I could.
Scientists, neuroscientists, shaman, medicine men and women from around the world.
Because I really wanted to understand that, you know, that there was something to this.
And be able to, if I was going to bring this back to my audience, to my community.
We had a talk show on Bloomberg at the time that I co-hosted.
I had a pretty extensive international network of colleagues and partners, investors, etc., who had zero experience with any of this.
Yeah, the Bloomberg audience is not the real...
When I started talking about it, the initial messages I was getting from my friends and colleagues, partners, was, you know, have you lost your mind?
You're talking about psychedelics publicly.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, now fast forward eight years later, those messages are like, Can you help me?
Can you help my wife?
Can you help my son?
Can you help my daughter?
And the answer is always yes.
Now the world's starting to wake up to this.
But for me, eight years ago in the communities I was in, nobody was awake.
And so I felt like it was my job to learn as much as I could to get some truly competent, credible information about this, to understand it, and then to whoever was interested, try to share that information.
And so that's what I did.
I began sitting with shaman, like I said.
I took facilitator courses where I sat in the mountains with shaman for weeks at a time over month-long periods, understanding shamanism, which I'd never even heard that word, to understand how people were really healing, deep healing, on a soul level, which clearly is not something that we're doing in the United States or in most places around the world.
But there was really something significant and profound.
To what these civilizations and these cultures were doing, the people that we consider primitive, in many ways, were doing things that were far more advanced than anything that we had in the United States.
And so, needless to say, I began working with psychedelics around the world, with some of the highest-level individuals, people that I understood to be experts in the field.
This isn't a, let's go do LSD and go to a Grateful Dead concert.
Nothing wrong with that, if that's your thing.
This was deep healing, intentional healing, therapeutic approaches to things, a sincere, like a religious level conviction of what the spirituality is of these plants and how it can help on a deep level.
And so, I worked with a lot of them.
It ultimately led me to Tracy through some of the networks that I was a part of.
She was doing things because of her background in Western medicine as a PhD in gut biome and brain neurotransmitters, hormones in women.
And then taking that after decades of doing kind of functional health approach to health, traveling the world, you know, over 90 countries going to Africa, getting initiated into a couple of tribes in Africa to work with this medicine in a truly authentic way with the tribes, for the tribes to recognize her as someone that could handle, facilitate, and provide this medicine.
I'm sorry to interrupt, but let me interject here.
This medicine...
This medicine is considered sacred by Native or Indigenous cultures all over the world.
They have their own precious medicines, you know, Amazonian, south of where you are, Indigenous Tibetan medicine, Indigenous Native American medicine, etc.
But tell us about this specific molecule.
I know it's more than one molecule.
It's a full array of a plant, but there's one that it's best known for.
Go ahead and tell us about that.
I'll defer to Tracy, but I'll tell you my knowledge.
It's called iboga.
Like you said, it comes from Central West Africa.
It's what many refer to as the world's most powerful psychedelic.
It contains 12 alkaloids.
The primary alkaloid, which is the darling of the media lately, is called ibogaine.
And ibogaine is the world's most powerful addiction, interrupter, and withdrawal eliminator.
And there's no way to explain the impact and import of this medicine without having experienced other than to say it's a miracle.
And science now is starting to wake up to that.
And so it's a...
I want to ask Tracy to chime in on this too.
But one more thing that I think people need to know about this discussion.
So addiction is something that has very personally struck my family as well.
And also a couple of years ago I interviewed a woman, I don't recall her name or her company, but she was actually going through an attempted FDA approval process for Ibogaine as an addiction recovery intervention.
In my view, this is just my opinion, I oppose FDA regulation of that substance because then that would completely remove it from the market of more holistic practitioners who want to keep it off-label, but that's a different discussion.
Tracy, can you please give us just a little bit more technical detail about the alkaloids and their effects?
Sure.
Yeah, Mike is right.
I mean, 12 alkaloids and really, as you said, you know, the darling media has been ibogaine because it's the most potent for addiction and eruption, right?
So, but what I think we don't realize is that those other alkaloids are very synergistic and they work together.
It's like creating a perfect recipe.
You know, nature has made this perfect plant.
It's a root made of 12 alkaloids, and why would you just extract one?
But we can get into that later.
There's some reasons for that.
Part of it is dosing.
Part of it is the half-life is a little bit longer, so it's easier to dose in an addiction setting, which is more clinical.
But really what it does is ibogaine converts to noreibogaine, and it blocks dopamine uptake.
And that's where we look at from an addiction standpoint.
So the alkaloid in that can reset those levels of dopamine and it attenuates the addiction response and helps with withdrawal symptoms.
So that's really where we get that interruption piece for the root.
Yeah, there's so many other benefits with the whole route that we can get into in a little bit.
Mike, can I add something to that?
Okay, sure.
If you speak to most people, they'll tell you that addiction is really just a symptom of trauma.
And so I didn't go to Tracy for addiction.
And a lot of people who work with her, in fact, most, don't go for addiction.
They go for PTSD, depression, TBI, which is traumatic brain injury, psychospiritual growth.
So there are a lot of other elements to mental health that this plan, in ways that science doesn't understand.
I completely agree.
This is why I'm so glad to be able to talk to both of you.
If I were to ever experience this molecule, it would be for psycho-spiritual growth, expanding.
I did an audiobook called The Contagious Mind.
I've done a lot of work about consciousness and Rupert Sheldrake's work on so-called alternative science, etc.
I believe that these psychedelics are controlled and slandered in the media as a means to isolate humans from who they really are.
To isolate humanity from tapping into the greater consciousness that allows us to realize that we are all children of God, in a sense, children of our Creator, and we actually create the world around us.
And psychedelics are that link.
Isn't that correct, Tracy?
Yeah, and this is really what the tribes believe.
The indigenous people and the people of Central Africa, you know, have adopted iboga as like their sacrament.
It's very sacred there.
And they believe this.
It's called the witty.
It's really a way of life.
It's not a religion per se, but they most commonly use this plant and that's the first sort of, you know I mean, they really believe in that.
Well, absolutely.
And Mike, were you going to add something to that there?
I was just going to say, I think Tracy hit the nail on the head.
And so did you.
It's this spiritual component that we're missing, and this ability for us to recognize this oneness.
The synchronicity between all of us, this unconditional love that exists in the universe that, you know, because of the fear and division that's inflicted upon us every day to try and divide us, we have a hard time circling back to.
And that's where these psychedelics are very, very helpful.
They allow you to tap into those parts of your, not only your conscious, but your subconscious in ways that you typically don't have access to.
I'll give you an example.
Most people often, you know, they suppress or repress a lot of childhood memories that are painful, that lead to trauma.
I was a product of that.
I didn't know why, you know, I did certain things in my life or made certain decisions, some good, some bad.
But why I was who I was, like why my brain was wired the way it was.
A lot of the other medicines, it showed me some great things.
I achieved through meditation and through working with a lot of the other plants.
Incredible results.
Different human being.
If you look at pictures of me, I'm a different human being now.
Healthier in every way.
But when I sat with a boga, it showed me a perspective of my existence in a way that nothing else had.
And I realized that so much of what I was dealing with internally was, I thought I had healed all that.
I was great.
I'm successful.
I'm making money.
People love me.
I love them.
The world is beautiful.
But there was some really deep trauma that was there.
That was so deep that, you know, even working with the other medicines, it hadn't gotten to it.
Iboga went right in.
And they say, Mike, that this is, you know, when you sit with Iboga.
It's like having brain, heart, and soul surgery simultaneously.
That's what it did.
It was absolutely beautiful.
Thank you for sharing that very intimate experience with us.
I will add to that, and I've said in my own podcast, that the problems we face in our world today are not political, they're not economic, they're not who's winning or losing a war.
The problems are the lack of the spiritual consciousness revolution that has begun, actually.
Which is spreading.
And I think your work is a very important part of this.
Think about what would our world be like if we realize that if we bomb the other, we actually hurt ourselves.
If we starve those children, we starve ourselves.
That we are all connected.
That we cannot win in a narcissistic way by denying someone else humanity.
That shift, that one shift, would change every policy if it were widespread.
Yeah.
The illusion of separation.
The illusion of separation.
100%.
So, Tracy, let me ask you this.
When people undergo this journey, let's say that they're dealing with addiction and these alkaloids and this experience is helping them overcome the addiction.
I've heard that it is a permanent overcoming in many, many cases and that it just ends the addiction.
Almost like magic.
Is that an exaggeration, or is that accurate?
How would you describe it?
I would say that's pretty accurate.
You know, we unfortunately don't have a lot of real-world long-term data, right, quite yet.
We're gathering that, and when I say we, it's just like researchers and other places that are doing this.
But yes, you know, it's very powerful.
It's a very powerful plant.
Again, it's miraculous for so many people.
Really where the work begins, we often say, is after the journey.
And so aftercare, integration, all of those things become very, very important and crucial to somebody's long-term success.
So it's not just a one and done.
You know, you do have to put the work in afterwards.
And when we say integration, we mean taking all that awareness, taking all of those reflections that people get from the experience or the journey, so to speak.
And then being able to relate them back to their real life, you know?
And a lot of times it helps to have somebody be an integration coach for a while to keep somebody accountable and on track and really help them understand, okay, this is how this became aware to you during the journey.
And this is really how you put those steps in motion in your day-to-day life.
And so that becomes very quintessential to this work.
Right.
It's not.
And I mean, I love the spiritual teacher Ram Dass.
He often says, like, in relation to other psychedelics, he says, when you get the message, hang up the phone.
And I really do believe that that's.
I've seen that, yep.
Yeah, really with iboga, it is more or less like a one and done.
Maybe twice, you know, people come back in for a micro-tune-up, as we say.
But really, it is that.
When you get the answer, hang up the phone.
You don't need to keep coming back.
So that's a really important message because my audience is not a bunch of people who use recreational drugs at all.
And of course, we wouldn't even be talking about it if it were pure, just a recreational application.
And it's nothing like that.
And it's not where I've known people who did too many ayahuasca journeys and their brains got fried.
There's just no other way to say it.
I'm like, okay, what happened?
But that's not what this is.
And you're not paying me to be on the show to promote your service.
I asked you both on because I believe in expanded consciousness.
As a vector for planetary healing.
I mean, frankly, for the survival of our civilization.
Mike, do you want to talk about the, you know, as an attorney, successful business person, talk about that contrast between the current, you know, selfish, greed-centered business world versus what we actually need to survive as a species.
Yeah.
What a journey that's been.
Thank you for the question.
What a beautiful question.
I was.
I was that hard-charging lawyer in an expensive suit, in an expensive car, going out and doing as much as I could to beat the other person.
If it had to be ruthlessly, that's what it was.
That's as far as humanly imaginable now from where I am.
There's a better way to exist.
There's a better way to extract and exchange value in this world.
That's what we're learning.
What plant medicine showed me that was often hard to convey to those around me, Was that the future is, and when you talk about us waking up with expanded consciousness, it's no longer conflict.
It's collaboration.
How do we win together, right?
If you think winning alone is cool, try bringing others with you.
And so now that's where we are.
So going from where I was as that hard-charging trial attorney, I still help.
I still serve as general counsel to a And we do some amazing things.
And I still do a very effective job as an attorney, but in a very different way.
And now I see the purpose, like my purpose on this planet, being to help not only myself, but to help others.
And it's psychedelics that gave me that perspective.
It's that expanded consciousness in ways that I just didn't have access to.
One of the things they talk about in...
And it's based on our experiences in life.
Like, this happens, your bike gets stolen as a kid, it knocks you off course.
And mom and dad did something, knocks you off course.
And by the time we get here, you know, middle age, our default mode network is like this.
Well, plant medicine psychedelics resets that default mode network.
And the analogy they use is if you're a skier.
If you've ever skied in the afternoon, you know that by the afternoon, all the ruts are in the snow.
When you go down the mountain, even if you try not to, you're going to be going into those ruts.
That's how a lot of people exist in life.
They think a certain way.
They act a certain way.
They do things a certain way because that's just how you've been wired now 30, 40, 50 years.
It's kind of worked okay.
Money in the bank.
Nice house.
Pets.
Kids.
Everything's good.
Everything's fine.
Let's leave it alone.
So you don't have that ability to kind of get out of the ruts and think very differently.
Psychedelics provide that fresh coat of snow.
Now when you go down, you get to carve your own path.
You get to operate differently, coming from this place of expanded consciousness, looking at the world, looking at yourself, looking at your ability to interact with others in ways that you never knew possible.
See, that's critical because, so, we've all heard the phrase that we are often sleepwalking through life.
Where we could be lucid dreaming.
We could actually be in charge of deciding how we want to create our lives.
Yes, Mike?
Yeah, I was going to say most people die at 30 and are buried at 80. Yeah, right, right.
We see that all the time.
But what's amazing to me about this is that we can actually make a conscious choice to I'm not talking about, oh, goal setting.
You know, let's set goals.
Let's have positive affirmation stickers on the wall.
I'm talking about rewiring your entire experience of life.
That is the profound level of what both of you are talking about.
Yeah.
Exactly.
And as Mike so eloquently put that with the skiing analogy, it's like a defrag.
It really, like Iboga, takes things and deletes files people no longer need.
I mean, think about the years we built up all of these different patterns and things in our mind, and so it's almost like psychic surgery.
I mean, not to get too woohoo, but that's really what it is.
It's a defrag of your hard drive, and it's deleting files.
Sometimes in journeys, people can see that.
They can see files deleting, where then there's going to be an addition of new files that they do need.
Wow.
Can I give you a look?
Can I give you a little inside baseball to elaborate on what Tracy's saying?
Just my aboga experience?
So during my experience, I want, no, it's a long experience, right?
It's, I describe my aboga experience as 36 hours of heaven and hell and perfect harmony.
For the first 12 hours, it's full on.
And one of the earliest things that I experienced was I was immediately taken back to the third grade.
I haven't thought about the third grade in 40 years, maybe more.
I was immediately taken back to the third grade, and I could see, although I had a mask on, and I obviously couldn't see anything, but I could see in my mind's eye the yearbook of my third grade class.
Looking at it in front of me, every picture from Johnny Applegate down to Billy Zoda, in alphabetical order, every single one, Mike.
And as fast as you can imagine, but simultaneously as slowly as you can imagine.
Went right through each of them systematically and might have stopped on one and said, Mike, I just want to say to you, when you stuck up for me on the playground, that really helped me.
And I appreciated that.
And then jumped through.
There might have been five others to say, Joe, when you threw me in the locker, that really hurt me and embarrassed me, but I'm here to reframe everything.
And it went through like that.
And now that I've done a lot of integrative work and thought about it, that was about the time that I started to realize I was different than everybody else who had a father, who had got, you know, on the sidelines of Little League and all of that.
I was different.
But that's where it took me back to and started reframing, and then it systematically took me through all of those episodes of my life, up to and through adulthood, where I could reframe my entire life, like the way I saw things.
This wasn't intentional.
This wasn't conscious.
This was subconscious, and it was all, like Tracy said, defragmenting, getting rid of the old files, rewriting the new files, and making me the person who I am.
It sounds, what you just described, sounds a lot like what people say when they have a life review and a near-death experience.
Exactly.
They do call this the life review, really.
I mean, people can almost see their life, past, present, and future before then.
And it's like fast frame.
It's really interesting because it goes quite fast.
And, you know, we try to teach people before to surrender.
That's the big thing.
It's oftentimes like frustrating a little bit because they'll see an image and they go, I can't hold on to it.
But it's a life review.
And the cool thing is you're an unbiased.
So, yeah, it's really interesting.
It's very similar.
So it has a vibe of also self-forgiveness, it sounds like.
Yes.
Radical.
Radical.
Wow.
Ego disillusion.
I think that the self-shaming...
is a very devastating pattern or a cycle that people get caught in and then it outpictures into self-destructive type of behavior.
So healing that original wound can really be something.
And let me ask you a sensitive question about this too because for a couple of years I went to a healing alternative medicine healing organization and what I learned Without giving up anybody's names, but what I learned is about 70% of my classmates had been sexually abused as children.
And it was way more widespread than I ever had understood.
And that it was traumatizing people at age 50, you know?
What about that level of trauma?
You said PTSD could be soldiers, could be people who witnessed horrific events, but is it also potentially, can people help process sexual trauma?
Yes, we treat a lot of that.
Yeah, deep, deep healing work, very deep trauma.
And again, because you're not biased, you're unbiased in a way, it's not scary to revisit those things.
And oftentimes, Iboga doesn't take you back to that.
It's just a reframe.
A lot of times it's about forgiveness or it's, you know, mitigating circumstances up into that trauma that it helps to kind of reframe and tell the narrative a little bit differently.
So excellent for trauma.
It really is amazing.
And, you know, oftentimes people come and they think of iboga as the addiction interruption, ibogaine, and they say, well, I'm not really addicted to anything.
And to your point a little bit earlier.
People are addicted to something, and I usually say most people are addicted to their own negative thought patterns.
Yeah, that can very much be the case.
Yeah, I've been in that place myself before.
And yet, I've never used psychedelics, by the way, for the record, and I've never been to your retreat, but I've spoken with several people who have had profound, I mean, many.
Not just small things.
I mean, their entire lives changed after your experience.
So that's why I wanted to invite you on.
Let me show you something that I didn't plan to show you this, but I think those will blow your mind because we're talking about, you know, when I say morphic fields, is that a concept that you're all familiar with Rupert Sheldrake when he talks about morphic fields?
Like natural intelligence, patterns of nature, knowledge in nature.
So, you know, Each of us three, all three of us have a technical or a science background in some way.
Mike Law with you.
Tracy, your work and your doctorate program in the human mind, etc.
I have a background in laboratory science, mass spec instruments.
I run and own science.
I've published science papers on chromatography, etc.
But I began to investigate morphic fields when I got this really amazing microscope as part of my laboratory instrumentation.
So I have begun...
Absuru Emoto, yeah.
Okay.
So, I realized I could do the same thing that he did at room temperature by melting and freezing xylitol.
So, xylitol is just a common sweetener.
So, I buy xylitol, I pour it out, and then I use words and intention to let it form solids, and then I watch it under the microscope, sketching it out in real time.
And I want to show you a microscope image right now.
This is live.
I'm actually scrolling around.
This is a xylitol crystal formation that's under the microscope right here.
And I'm zoomed in at about 200x.
I'll zoom out to show you just a bigger picture of what it is.
Hold on a second.
It's just switching lenses.
So there's kind of the big picture.
There's xylitol on a slide.
There we go.
You see that?
Alright, so that's what you were just looking at up close.
What I did, I wrote a slide about kind of like prompting AI, except I'm prompting natural intelligence.
So I wrote a slide that said, you know, depict the Middle East right now and the culture and the events of the Middle East and what's happening.
Let me show you my screen, because it showed me two animals.
This is my laptop screen.
There we go.
Check this out.
It's sketched out a one-horned ram.
You see the ram on the right?
Yeah.
That's xylitol crystals.
And then the ram is the symbol of Abraham in Islam.
So known as Ibrahim, it's actually, it represents a sacrifice.
And then, let's see what else.
Then I, let me show you the falcon.
Here's a side-by-side.
It also rendered this falcon in a tree.
And the falcon with the white face and the feet, it's almost a perfect rendition.
And this is not Photoshop.
It's not AI.
It's literally on this slide.
I've even recorded where these are.
And the home of falconry in human civilization is Persia.
That's where falconry began.
And then last night, as I was looking through, it showed a war horse, which I don't have that image here, but it's a very clear, it's a rendered, like an AI image of a war horse.
So this is just an example of the connection.
Between consciousness and nature.
That's my point.
Can I share something with you that's really interesting?
When you cut open the seed of the aboga plant, the root in the seed, it looks like a human brain.
It's incredible.
I wish we had a photo.
I don't know if people can pull up a photo, but it's wow.
Maybe I can.
I'll try that.
But yeah, that's the fractal or the holographic nature of reality, right?
The hole is found in the part.
Yes.
Yes, absolutely.
And I think that's what this work is all about, to be honest with you, is people oftentimes feel fragmented, you know, and they go for different types of therapy, different modalities, whatever it is.
And you often do, as you peel back the layers of the iron, so to speak, with trauma, people oftentimes feel very fragmented.
And this work is helping people to feel whole again, you know?
It's like we really want people to reinstate their essence.
That's what this is all about.
So let me ask you, Mike, to continue that thought.
Has this changed your perception of your life's purpose of why you're here?
Absolutely.
absolutely in every way you can imagine and even in ways you can't imagine.
After my experience, My wife and I have a beautiful little motorhome, and so following my Aboga journey, I jumped in the motorhome, and we did 12 national parks, 9 states, and 70-plus cities over a six-month period.
I wanted to be in as much of nature as I could and see as much of our beautiful country as I could, and to really reflect on my purpose on this planet.
And I did that.
And so now, like I was starting to talk about earlier, I see it as connection, love, optimism, abundance, the ability to help others achieve all of that.
And so that's what it is now.
I see that winning and success are completely different in terms of my definition today versus 10 years ago or what I thought I wanted when I was a kid, when I had that vision of what success was.
A whole different thing.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
But did this Iboga journey, did it change your perception of the immortality of the non-physical soul?
It didn't change it.
I think it reinforced it.
It showed me.
I had a direct experience with the divine.
And it wasn't just perceptual.
We had some testing done the following day where the person revealed to me that there were extremely high levels of DMT that were in my system.
there is no DMT in a boga.
It's something that's really really in our body.
That's what you, you know, when you're born, when you die, and when you dream sometimes, DMT, natural release.
I had that.
So my experience with the divine, with source, with God, with the universe, whatever you want to call it during my experience, my boga experience, It wasn't just perceptual, it was very real, as confirmed by the DMT the next day.
So yeah, my perception, it was confirmed with regard to why we're here, who we are, what we're doing, what's beyond this existence, this 3D matrix that we're in.
And just that realization alone would change our whole world if people realized that there was existence after life.
Well, that's it, right?
Sorry, Tracy.
I mean, after this life.
No, go ahead.
Yeah, I think, you know, I always talk about you build it back to the five essential whys.
Like, if somebody's afraid of something, why?
Well, because if I lose my job, I can't pay my bills.
I'll lose my house.
I can't feed my kids.
I'll die.
So it all goes back to that I'll die, that fear of death, right?
Yep.
The news is based on you're going to die.
"You're gonna get hurt at all." When you realize, There's so much more.
Infinite potential in an infinitely expanding universe.
All of that fear goes away.
Every life is either fear or love driven.
Period.
Everything in my life now is love driven.
I can see now looking back how so much of what I did, some of it resulting in success, was fear driven.
Yeah.
And the highest vibrational frequency of the body is actually...
Love is number two.
And so I do really believe that these plants bring us to that place of authenticity.
What is our authentic calling?
What is our sole purpose?
I feel so many people have mental quote-unquote DSM diagnoses of mental illness, but really it's a soul sickness.
People are trying to find their way.
What's their North Star?
What are they supposed to be doing here in this lifetime?
And that's why I love especially Iboga and somewhat biased because it gives you that.
It really gives you that.
It's like your own soul speaking for you.
It's having your own internal knowing.
That's so beautiful for so many people.
They walk out of these things and go, oh my gosh, I can't believe it.
I'm in the wrong career.
I'm doing the wrong job in life.
This isn't what I really meant to do.
I want to caution our audience to understand that these types of molecules are Outlawed in the United States.
And that's why you're in Costa Rica for these journeys.
But, you know, the FDA will legalize extremely harmful, deadly, whatever, and then they will outlaw something that is incredibly helpful and can help people heal.
Exactly.
That's right.
They do that all the time.
Can I touch upon, really, before I know we're running out of time?
And I think your viewers would appreciate this.
I mean, at one point in time, I struggled with horrible Lyme disease.
I mean, it was like 15 years.
Oh, wow.
Western medicine and all of the supplements and the antibiotics.
And I definitely went their Western route.
It was on 80 pills a day.
And at one point, I just thought, this is crazy.
I'm not healing, you know, I could get to a point of, And I was raising three little kids at the time, and I was turned on to psychedelics.
And it was really through the advent of psychedelics and my journey that I saw the trauma.
You know, I had seen, I had trapped a trauma from a child, from when I was a child in my subconscious mind and it was The body does keep score.
And so oftentimes when we have these things and these traumas that maybe we don't realize, our bodies are an indicator of that.
You know, it's like the barometer for the mind.
And so once I started really working with my mind and Evoga in particular, my symptoms were gone.
I mean, after so many years, because Not to get too technical, but that in the brain helps with neuroinflammation.
And I've actually measured that.
And it's actually decreased over the years of journeying with iboga.
So those are real measurable outcomes that you're describing there.
And I'm glad you brought that up because I wanted to ask you what the audience might I'm sure you get this from more mainstream scientists who would say that, Mike, what you experienced was just a flood of chemicals in your brain creating the illusion of everything you're describing.
How do you answer a skeptic who says that?
Yeah, first, like I said, with regard to the tests the subsequent day, with regard to the DMT results, that's credible objective evidence, right?
That's not subjective.
That's not me saying, I really sat with the divine.
That's my body telling you I have extremely high levels of a substance in my body that I have no control over the ability to create or not.
It did it.
So, that was very real.
And the second is, you know, if that's the case, and maybe that is the case with some psychedelics, maybe people do have that.
It goes back to what Tracy talked about with integration.
I'm, you know, I'm post-Iboga 14 months now, and my life is absolutely incredible every day, as if, you know, I sat yesterday.
And I can't say that would be the experience with everyone.
You know, everybody has a different experience.
Some are very challenging.
But the fact remains that this is very real for me.
It's my experience, my physical.
My emotional, my spiritual reality of that experience.
And are there psychosomatic type of symptoms that you have noticed that vanished?
Or are there improvements that even a mainstream doctor would say, yeah, that's physiological?
So not with me.
I wish I would have, but you're starting to see now like there's Stanford studies and different things that are coming out with MRIs, for example.
You can do pre and post MRIs.
You can look at the white matter difference pre and post, and I'll let Tracy talk more about that.
So if you wanted to get into, you know, if someone had those kinds of science-based questions, they're looking for that kind of result.
Yeah, it's there if that's what you're looking for.
Yeah, there's a lot of research now going on and, you know, I've done it personally for myself.
I've looked at my own MRIs and I have seen that the white patchy foci that was on it before from chronic Lyme and having Lyme in my brain actually with some co-infections has now diminished significantly.
So I can only really attribute that to iboga because I don't take other medicines.
You know, I don't take other pharmaceuticals or Western meds anymore for that.
Yeah and you know we also do measure part of what we do at Ravella is we measure people's neurotransmitters coming into the experience and then we look at them on the back end as well and they all improve.
So things like dopamine and serotonin, GABA, the norepi to epinephrine ratios improve so those are all really important and I will say that yes psychedelics help that but it's not always Yeah, on that train, you know, beyond the experience.
Right.
All right.
One, one last question for you, but let me give out your website again.
It's Ravella retreats.com where people can find out about the services, the journey that you offer functional medicine, et cetera.
But what I want to ask you is philosophically, how, Amazing is it, and your comments on the fact that our Creator placed the medicine on our planet that we need to heal everything that I can think of.
There's medicine out there, and yet we as a species largely walk right past it.
Right past it.
And the tribes know this.
We think they're antiquated, but they're actually extremely sophisticated, which is why I've studied with them.
They are more knowledgeable about ethnobotany than we are, I think, really, because as I said before, they use the forest, the jungles, as their apothecary.
Yeah.
Well, so do primates.
Did you see the studies that there are primates in their jungle?
They self-medicate with herbs, and humans drive to the pharmacy and sit in a car and wait for drugs.
We've got some healing to do, that's for sure.
Final thoughts from each of you.
Mike, you want to begin?
Yeah, happy to.
You know, I'm a product of that same era that you are, Mike.
You know, the war on drugs, the egg over the skillet.
This is your brain.
This is your brain on drugs.
Any questions?
And so I stayed away from, from drugs and psychedelics.
Specifically, my father came back from Vietnam, addicted to some things that ultimately, um, And so I stayed as far away from all of this as I could.
I paid my way through college and into my first year of law school in New York City in the nightlife scene.
I was surrounded by this every night.
Wow.
Into the next morning.
I was in the belly of the beast.
I was offered everything you could imagine in a recreational way.
And I always said no, except for alcohol.
Alcohol was fine, right?
Because it was legal.
So we would get face plant drunk, blackout drunk, and that was all normal.
It wasn't until I really sat down and, like you said, really started to appreciate what the world, what nature, what the universe, what the divine has to offer that I really understood the why of all of this.
And that's why I'm here.
Like, think about my life was fine.
I'm a founding partner at a law firm.
I'm on track.
Like, things are good.
It had to take something very powerful for me to walk away and change the entire trajectory of my life.
And that's what this is.
So, I would just encourage.
Your audience to do their own research, look at everything, be open-minded, and just see what's out there.
That sounds like very wise advice.
Tracy?
Just a few words.
I mean, really, it's about thriving.
I think when people leave these experiences and I get to be the witness of the transformation, it's like, wow, I was really surviving before, but now I am truly thriving.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that must be really something to witness.
So many transformations happening in front of you as well.
I mean, that's almost like a featured documentary series one day or something, you know, with volunteers.
But, you know, Mike, I'm right with you there on what I believed growing up.
And even in college, this is an actual quote from one of my roommates in our dorm.
Mike, how is it that you have all the benefits of drugs without using them?
That's how I was known, because everybody else was smoking something, but not...
I had a pretty big, still do, but a pretty big network then, you know, in a conservative group.
And when I started speaking publicly about this, that's why they all were just so surprised.
Yeah.
No, you should talk about treasury yields.
Then everything's going to be okay.
Hey, it's over 5% on the 10-year.
Oh, okay.
Bad things are happening.
All right.
Well, thank you both for joining me today.
This has really been amazing.
And I think some of our audience will connect with you about this and reach out to you.
So thank you for joining me today.
It's been a pleasure.
Thanks, Mike.
Thank you so much for having us.
Thank you.
Take care and enjoy all the sunshine there in Costa Rica.
Thank you.
Okay.
All right, so the website, folks, everybody, is ravellaretreats.com.
There it is again, ravellaretreats.com if you want to check this out.
Just for the record, I have not experienced this myself.
I just became aware of Tracy and her work recently, but it really resonates with what I believe about natural medicine, about human consciousness, and the dire need for a spiritual revolution in our world.
We can't just change policy and get through our challenges.
We can't just change who's running the system that's That's where real healing comes from, and it's not in the current system.
That's just my take on it.
Thank you for watching today.
I'm Mike Adams here, the founder of Brighteon.com.
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