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May 16, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Scott Gordon joins Mike Adams to talk about the hidden impact of trauma and how to overcome it
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Alright, welcome to today's interview here at Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon, and we have another fascinating interview here as part of the Health Revealed series that Cory Endrelott has put together.
That's at healthrevealed.org if you want to check out that website.
And our guest here is actually profiled there on that site, Scott Gordon, who lives...
Is it okay if I say where you live?
Yeah.
Okay.
He lives in Argentina, and he traveled to Texas to come...
Join us today in studio and he is an expert in overcoming, well, trauma at multiple levels.
He's got a lot to share with us that can help you heal your life and decentralize, that is not require some authority to tell you how to heal, right?
So that's an overall context of our conversation as I understand it.
But welcome, Scott.
Thank you.
I'm honored to be here.
It's great to have you here.
Thank you for taking the time and traveling and for all that you do and preparing notes and everything.
Wow.
I'm honored.
Thank you.
We've talked about trauma and its influence on our health.
It has a great influence on our health.
I've never really been involved with health other than my personal health.
I go back to around 2004 when I first started subscribing to...
Your newsletter.
Really?
And I learned a lot of things about health from you.
So I'm so honored to be here now talking with you about it.
Well, again, I'm honored to have you as a guest.
And I welcome all your input and wisdom about this and anything that can help our audience deal with our very traumatic world.
In fact, all of us were just talking during the break that, and we all agree, that there's something, well, there are Many things about our world today that are far more traumatic than what any of us can remember.
I mean, I was a kid in the 1970s, and we walked to school and nobody freaked out.
That doesn't happen today.
What's going on?
What has happened to our civilization?
Well, all of that stress in the modern day, in the modern world, which has gotten worse.
Is sitting on top of our childhood trauma, basically.
Maybe even infant trauma.
And so trauma stacks up.
And the more it stacks up, the more it affects our lives, the more it affects our health.
It can affect our health severely.
If we're not dealing in the inner work with trauma, we're going to see it expressed through the body.
Clearly.
But let me ask you to clarify.
So do you believe...
That unresolved trauma can cause the body to build a defensive mechanism that can become a tumor, for example.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think that can happen.
And, of course, we're all aware of nutritional deficiencies or immune suppression and things like that.
But you're talking about physical manifestations of unresolved emotional or energetic trauma.
Yeah, exactly.
And there's an interaction.
There's an interaction with the foods that we eat, of course, the nutrition plays a key role.
But what tends to be overlooked is the role that stress and trauma plays in our health.
Okay, perfect.
Now, just to provide context for our conversation, can you tell our audience, do you consult with people?
Do you create courses?
What is your role in this realm?
Well, there's two main things that I'm doing, and one is that I'm working to train Therapists, counselors, who can train others.
So I realized when I really looked at what the world needs and what my mission is, and that is to spread the knowledge and the therapy.
So the other aspect of that is that I actually counsel people.
And so I learn a lot from my clients.
On all different levels.
Some of them are advanced clients.
Some have some deep issues.
I'm working with a woman that has had satanic ritual abuse as an infant.
I don't think I would have been able to help her if she wasn't herself a therapist.
Because it's extreme trauma.
But most of my clients, I'm just trying to help them live a better life, be a little more successful, and of course, the side effect should be that they're a lot healthier, because they've unloaded a lot of the trauma.
Well, I'm glad you brought that point up, because we've spoken with our other guests here as part of this Health Revealed body of knowledge, and it shows that when a person lacks trust in themselves, Then they often cannot make the right choices when it comes to nutrition or health or physical exercise or etc.
So trauma, like trauma that was completely outside of their power.
You mentioned an infant subjected to satanic rituals, right?
Powerless.
A powerless infant.
That can have a chain reaction through your entire life that unresolved can lead to horrific consequences.
Absolutely.
I guess I'm stating the obvious, but...
Absolutely, and she had some severe health issues and didn't want to live anymore, and we started unpacking this trauma, and she's doing much better health-wise.
She's up in years, but I feel it's going to buy her some more time and happy time instead of suffering.
So she's able to work through some of this.
Are you finding that...
Is there a name for the philosophy that you espouse, or do you have a title for this approach?
I describe it as philosophy-based counseling, and the reason is that I think a lot of the counseling that we have handed down to us in our society has been, you know, derived from efforts of religion and state to care for its people.
Even though I would question the use of the word care in many cases, but certainly in the beginning the idea was the intentions were good.
For example, the Catholic Church and the Catholic priests that we've had for over a thousand years on this planet.
Confession is a healthy thing.
Getting things off your chest relieves some Well, since you brought up the Catholic Church, I mean, I have to bring in also there's trauma from the sexual abuse history in some sectors, right?
And that's not obviously limited to the Catholic Church.
I mean, how big of an issue is Sexual abuse or satanic abuse that you just mentioned, because it seems to me, from some of the training that I went through years ago, there's a tremendous undercurrent of abuse that has taken place.
Yeah, and that comes up from time to time in my work with clients, but I don't know a whole lot about it, but I've seen some statistics that are alarming in terms of...
How many people have been subjected to sexual abuse as a child, including satanic ritual abuse and MKUltra, which were experiments done by the government and military for decades now.
And so a lot of my impetus, motivation for my work, came from I first wanted to understand how deep does this rabbit hole go?
How much trauma can we take?
Really, the answer is, how much trauma can a body take before it lets go and it dies?
Some of these people in severe trauma have been brought to the brink of death.
There are some fail-safe mechanisms in the body, but they use those fail-safe mechanisms.
For example, the shutdown of certain areas of your body.
To actually implant, or in the case of an MKUltra mind control, to implant suggestions and hypnotic commands.
And we see that in the movies, and we see that carried out.
This is really part of the same overall big package.
There's light trauma, and I can help a person just feel better in life and maybe get through some of the relationship difficulties.
It's sitting on...
Deeper trauma, usually, but when you take the light trauma off, a lot of times it separates that person from their deeper trauma and they function better in life.
So a lot of times you don't have to get to the deepest trauma to improve someone's life or to make them feel better.
I like to get people to the point where they don't need me anymore.
That's my goal.
I see.
And how effective has this approach?
It's been very effective.
I mean, the more that I learn, I came out of a cult, you could say, or religion, Scientology and Dianetics, and that's where I learned a lot of things.
One of the things I learned was that this was being, when I came out and I could see the context of the bigger society, I realized that trauma therapy has been sequestered by the What do you call them?
The powers that be or the dark occult masters that are behind the scenes in the power structure of this planet.
And I realized that they were withholding this vital information from people.
Well, no, they would never do that.
They withhold everything from us.
Yeah, so the idea is that I was supposed to get angry and go and stand in front of organizations with a picket and say, I want my money back and things like that.
But I was actually using the same trauma-based therapy to get over my own experience of being ejected, kicked out, having to start my life all over again.
And I found it worked for myself.
I found it was working for others.
I also want to admit that it's not a complete package.
We were trained to project or to disseminate that this was the way.
And it is good therapy, but I learned a lot of things from other people and some missing parts of the package.
There's a whole package in the same kind of split that MKUltra mind control would do to an individual's personality is being done in society.
Oh, I'm so glad you mentioned that.
Isolating different factions.
And we see it in politics.
We see it in religions.
We see it in nations, nation states.
And also in technology.
We see a transhumanism movement that has the same exact artifacts of everything that you've just mentioned.
But I'm really glad you brought that up because...
You know, MKUltra, just for those watching, if you're skeptical, that's all been declassified, right?
So that's not a theory, that's history.
And it's still going.
I would argue, and I'm curious about your reaction, and as usual, feel free to disagree with me.
It's totally okay.
But I would argue that we're all being MKUltra'd constantly right now by media programming, fear-based programming.
We saw a lot of that during COVID.
Extreme fear.
Like, straight-up hypnosis.
Be afraid of invisible things that you can't see.
And people went along with it.
It was like a massive global Milgram experiment of some kind.
Yeah, absolutely.
And it was astonishing to me, because I've studied hypnosis before, and I know there's a positive hypnosis, and negative in the sense that you can add...
Add things to people's perceptions, or you can delete things from people's perceptions, right?
Right.
You can make people not see what's there, or you can put things into their reality.
And that was COVID.
Yeah.
They put that into people's reality, and everybody believed that if they didn't stand more than five feet away, little spit gremlins were going to get them.
Yeah.
It was amazing.
And they were able to leverage our...
Weaknesses and susceptibility to trauma against us.
That's right.
And get us fighting each other as well.
They did.
Yeah.
So I would point to the work of, I'm a student of Mark Passio and Jason Christoph and Colin Evans for some good information about why people react the way they do and how MKUltra has been...
Used on a social basis through advertising, our media, and Hollywood.
Hollywood's an expert at it.
Oh yeah, for sure.
So Hollywood and the music industry, but there are also these ties where government funds the MKUltra narratives that they actually pay.
For example, the CDC had a billion dollar budget to pay Absolutely.
And we've got a comprehensive program facing us.
So we have to wise up.
We have to know the techniques that they're using.
And I do have good news.
When people do just a little bit, make a little bit of effort to do some inner work, even if it's by themselves, and I realize that's very hard.
You need somebody really to talk to.
But when you just pay attention to that, a little bit goes a long way.
The hypnosis breaks really quickly.
Oh, that's good news.
A little bit of work on trauma, and the hypnosis starts to break, and you can go one of two ways.
You can do more inner work, which is know thyself, self-knowledge, or you can learn about what's going on, about how they do what they do, and all of the ramifications, the history, true history of things.
So you can get into the outer knowledge or the inner knowledge.
Either one is going to help.
That's a really good point.
I'm glad to hear you say that.
I've described myself sometimes as a spellbreaker.
That my job is to de-sorcerize people.
Break the spells and then let you see as raw of reality as you want.
But my question to you, sir, is that many times it's very fearful for people and it's very uncomfortable.
Now, I've seen this in many cases because I'm someone who doesn't self-censor at all.
And so I'll be talking to a group about, hey, let's break the spell of government dependence.
And they're like, yay, yay, yay.
And I'm like, hey, let's break the spell of the lies your pastor told you.
They're like, no!
We love those lies, you know what I mean?
There's a limit or there's a process that can't be rushed.
In a lot of people.
Have you experienced that?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Did I touch a nerve there?
No, I got a little bit distracted.
I'm sorry.
Oh, okay.
So I lost the thread of what you were saying.
Well, I'm just saying that people are not always comfortable.
Like, on the surface, they will say, I want to be free.
But then, in the process of getting to that freedom, that journey, Yep.
Yep.
So, yeah, there are so many mechanisms of control.
You know, we've gone over religion, government, Hollywood.
Social networks.
Social networks.
And everyone develops, you know, certain dependencies or, you know, let's say the most obvious one is your loyalty to your country, right?
You know, it's a good thing.
It's not a bad thing.
But it's something that should be questioned and looked at and re-evaluated from time to time.
And so, yeah, there are these stumbling blocks, you might say, that people have all around them where, oh, I want to know about this, but no, I don't want to go there.
Exactly.
There's a lot of that.
I get what you're saying.
Right.
But also, I mean, perhaps that's reasonable to say that You don't eat the whole cake at once.
It's one bite at a time.
And then that opens up an opportunity for people.
Here's a great example of this.
Pre-COVID, many more people believed in the medical establishment than now.
People have lost a lot of faith in the medical establishment.
But then because of that, post-COVID, more people are questioning things like the Federal Reserve.
So it opened up The idea that, hey, I've been lied to.
That's true.
And that's a good thing for us because I think more people gravitate towards expanding their knowledge and going out and finding out more.
It gets overwhelming at some point.
We call that black-pilled, right?
It's like, took the red pill and went looking for more information, but it gets overwhelming.
And that's when you've got to go back and do inner work.
Because the inner work relieves some of that load.
And that touches on another thing you were talking about.
How do you confront that magnitude of evil?
Believe me, I go through it almost every day.
Because like you mentioned in your other interviews with seeing the bad news that comes across our table every day, how do you cope and deal with that?
And my answer is that you need to do it.
You need to monitor yourself.
That's probably the first aspect of inner work.
You know, doing a trauma therapy.
You need to monitor, what am I willing to confront?
How much of this am I willing?
Go explore and then pull back and take a break, take a rest, and, you know, maybe do this on a regular basis.
And whether you're studying the outer work and confronting the evil around us outside, or whether you're confronting the evil in yourself or the evil that was done to you, there's both as a part of inner work.
Both of those things are going to be a lot better handled if you do it in little pieces at a time.
You don't want to dive into this pool.
It's dangerous.
Well said.
I think there's a shocking realization among many people that their current reality, their social reality, their professional reality, let's say if they're a nurse at a hospital, their job, their income, their paycheck, Their self-identity as being an RN or a doctor and all these things are very often tied to falsehoods that,
when uncovered, risk the dismantling of the very networks that give them meaning and purpose and affirmations from other people in society.
We can take the classic example of vaccines just as a thought experiment.
If you're a doctor, and then you tell a patient, or you start to believe that not all vaccines are safe, or that there's a tie between, let's say, vaccines and autism, which is a debate that's happening right now, then you put at risk your entire livelihood of being a doctor.
So that's a big barrier.
Sure, sure it is.
It takes a lot of courage to do the inner work, and it takes a lot of courage to confront.
The mess that we're in as a culture, as humanity, it's huge.
And it seems like it's externally reinforced to not go there.
Have you ever seen the movie Oblivion with Tom Cruise and Morgan Freeman?
I don't believe I have.
Well, it's a science fiction movie.
It's really great.
You'll love it.
But one of the things...
The way they limit the range of the Tom Cruise character who flies around on a ship and he's supposed to monitor this certain sector of Earth.
Pretty small area.
A few hundred square kilometers or whatever.
On his display in his ship, every time he gets near the edge of that, it says radiation warning.
Right.
So don't go to the radiation zones.
Right, or even in the Truman Show, when the Truman character, you've seen the movie The Truman Show?
Yes, yeah.
And when he tried to go down the highway, what did they say?
Oh, there's been a nuclear accident.
You can't go, you can't escape your town.
They always use invisible fears, radiation, germs, whatever.
And cults use those fears to keep you from leaving.
Don't go out there.
It's a bad world.
But, you know, one of the funny things is I came out of a cult and I looked around me and I realized I was in just a bigger cult.
And it is reinforced that the boundaries of our reality are reinforced by trauma-based conditioning.
And we don't, you know, we almost feel this buzz of energy going...
And it keeps us channeled.
And it's a hypnosis technique as well.
If they have you afraid of going outside the boundaries, they channel your attention.
And once that is done, you're looking at what they want you to look at.
Absolutely.
And that's how the trick is done.
So you came out of one cult and found you were in another cult.
So you were in a cult, nested in a cult.
And I'm wondering...
Is there like a Russian Dolls type of thing where you can have a cult within a cult within a cult?
Is that what many of us are actually stuck in?
I think so.
I mean, you know, I look at my upbringing.
I was raised in a Christian home and many advantages, and I appreciate so much the safety and the...
The training, the training and morality, for example, is very good.
Absolutely.
And, you know, a family is its own little cult system, and a lot of families are dysfunctional, making them a cult you don't want to maybe not belong to.
But I believe in taking responsibility for your family, and I always try to help people.
Repair their family as well as themselves.
I mean, family is so important.
But that gives you, if you look at all the spheres of existence, spheres that you live your life on, your groups, you know, mankind, closer to you is your relationships and your family, you're going to find Cultures or cults for short.
Cult is just a short name for culture.
And we usually use it to say that the culture is a bit dysfunctional or a bit entrapping, right?
And so we use the word cult.
But all of those can be cults.
So yes, there is a Russian dolls thing that you can start unpacking as you do your inner work.
So let me bring in an anthropological question about the structure of the human mind.
So as you well know, our brains take a lot of shortcuts to make decisions because there's not the ability to have an unlimited supercomputer.
It's a supercomputer, but it has to fit in the skull, it turns out, right?
If it spills out, you're not living.
So this supercomputer takes a lot of shortcuts, and it has certain wiring, and fear initiates a shortcut, right?
Fight or flight, everything else.
But also, beliefs.
So, most of the beliefs that most people hold, probably including us as well, we cannot trace back to where we got that belief.
We don't know.
And you know how, if you're on the internet debating somebody, cite your sources.
Cite your sources of what's in your head, and nobody can.
We don't know where we got this stuff, right?
So doesn't that make us vulnerable to inputs that we don't control and we forgot how it came in?
We were told this by authority figures and then we never audited that.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a great point.
We don't know the source of most of our beliefs.
That's true.
Right.
That's true.
And a lot of our beliefs and ideas have been formed in moments of trauma.
Ooh.
And when you're looking at criminality, a lot of times you're looking at a rage reaction that the person is stuck in that they don't even remember what it was.
It may be very early childhood.
And they've got to get somebody back.
And they've lost the ability to compartment or to focus that on the perpetrator.
And it's now a shotgun against all society.
I really take the time and interest to study evil, the origin of evil and things like that.
Why do people treat each other the way they do?
And a lot of it is traceable back to trauma.
And yes, we were talking about beliefs and ideas are formed a lot of times in moments of heavy trauma.
And that is what the mind control operations are trying to actually artificially create.
Those are the most effective, because we don't know where they came from.
And we just about can't trace it without some real deep trauma therapy.
I'm really glad that you've studied the origins of evil, and I'd like to ask you a question about that.
Because I've also given quite a bit of thought to that from a philosophical context.
And I think that evil is actually a natural selfishness to put yourself over others.
And a lot of what Christianity and other religions, including Islam and Buddhism and Hinduism and so on, teach is to put others over yourself, which we tend to call good.
But then there's the state, and the state says, put the state above all.
And that's obedience to totalitarianism.
So if you were to draw these out, it's a triangle, right?
It's, do I put myself first, do I put others first, or do I put the state first, or whatever authority?
Is the proxy for that.
And it seems to me that putting yourself first, which we call evil in the sense of selfishness at the expense of others, that is a natural tendency that has to be taught against, or you have to mature against that, or to, I should say, transcend that.
Does that make sense to you?
Yeah, it is.
The ego has a role, you know, As we grow up in child psychology, we're shaping our individuality, and it's a natural and correct development for watching out for our own.
But yeah, just as you pointed out...
I'm talking about as adults.
Yeah, as adults, when we remain in this self over others, and we haven't progressed at all in one area or another of our lives, we're looking at an area where we're We're prone to commit evil acts because we're not orienting ourselves to others, service of others.
And especially if we're under the spell of government, we're prone to commit evil acts under the influence of authority because authority said so, I've got to do this.
Exactly.
And all of it...
Still points back to trauma, because without trauma, we would have a lot more perspective and ability to wrestle with our ego.
But since deep trauma pushes us to the limit, it pushes us into a defensive state that's extreme.
And that is also, it can become an extreme ego state.
So someone who's trapped in that, energetically, will walk forward in life and begin to dramatize that in his life, and can become an evil type of person that is not, you know, considerate of others, is willing to sacrifice other lives, you know, for the state, or is willing, in the worst cases, is willing to just sacrifice life just because I can't.
As a demonstration of power.
I have a deep trauma that I can't get to, but it's telling me to do this.
Some people attribute that to demons and demonic suggestions.
And while I think those are real forces, a lot of it comes from deep trauma where they're being given suggestions, or even if it wasn't intentional, that...
The people around them were saying things or instructing things or saying, you're no good, you're a horrible person, while being beaten up as a child, for example.
That's an example of a traumatic experience in which that person is going to internalize what was being yelled at him and is now going to dramatize it on his own children.
Is going to feel that attitude when presented with people that are the slightest bit of a threat.
And so that's why when we see psychotics out there, we're careful.
Instinctively, we know we're careful not to threaten them because we know they can be triggered and they can go nuts over a little thing.
And that's because they're trapped in a deep trauma and they have instructions, you could say.
Wow, so many questions from that.
Do you believe in actual demonic possession as a real phenomenon?
I would have to say I do, but I have some, you know, like I said, I've found that a lot of it is explained by deep traumatic experiences.
And also, take a look, if you want, at the MKUltra multiple personalities.
Before we understood how they were formed, the only explanation we had was demon possession.
Right, so maybe there's another personality that splits off and acts like a demon.
Yeah, it acts like a demon.
Actually, you're fueling it.
It's from your own life force, but it's compartmented away from you, and if you shift into that compartment by programming...
Then you're acting out.
And we actually do this to some degree in life.
We have a work personality, a marriage personality, and maybe a personality that we have with kids.
And so we compartment our lives.
And what mind control does is it hardens those walls of compartmentalization.
So you're not going to remember what you did as the programmed assassin.
Complete disintegration.
Yeah, disintegration.
And the opposite of that in trauma healing is integration.
You want to integrate that.
So I've seen enough people that integrated personalities to realize that we thought it was a demon, but it's not.
But I also don't rule out the fact we live in a spiritual universe.
There are spiritual beings.
Not all of them have good intentions.
And so they can play games with us.
We see that in movies like Poltergeist and things like that.
And people may think, well, that's not real.
But you've got people out there that, you know, sworn testimony of people who have observed that same phenomena.
So I don't rule it out.
I think it's a little oversold in the religious areas, but I don't rule it out at all.
Well, that's interesting because the Catholic...
Church does carry out exorcisms.
I actually interviewed a man who wrote a book who participated in those exorcisms.
I don't know the success rate whatsoever, but it's recognized as an official function of the church still to this day.
I'd like to point out that when you have that multiple personality that I was talking about earlier, for some reason, Those personalities respond to exorcism.
Yeah, it's interesting.
So maybe it does get the demons out, so to speak.
Yeah, it does.
And in this case, the upper secret levels of Scientology actually deal with that phenomena as well.
But I'm kind of controversial in that area because I'm pointing out to them that you're just relocating energy fields.
Or aligning energy fields, which is typical of energy work, even body energy work, tends to align energy fields.
It makes you feel better, it takes the problem away for a while, but it doesn't get to the root.
So if you don't get to the root root of the trauma, that traumatic incident the person is stuck in, you watch the Star Wars movies, Darth Vader has a root traumatic incident.
And that's a great portrayal of how a good man goes bad.
You know, they have deep trauma.
And it's not always, every one of us has deep, deep trauma.
The kind that could turn us into a real evil character.
But we live in a free will universe.
And God, the Creator, has given us choices.
You can read some of the books of these trauma victims.
Why are they still alive?
Like Kathy O 'Brien, why is she still alive?
She's one of the ones who was in the MKUltra program, and she escaped.
And she has a book.
How did she survive?
It was the way she handled trauma.
And we're spiritual beings, and we all handle trauma differently, and it gives us choices.
Revenge is one option.
Violence, just...
Indiscriminate violence, that's the evil version.
Forgiveness or love enters in.
Kathy O 'Brien states that she felt the presence of angels, maybe higher beings that stood with her and comforted her during the heavy trauma.
Really, when we're talking about evil, and I do feel that evil is a riddle, the greatest riddle in front of us as spiritual beings that there is in all existence, and that it can be eventually overcome and handled, but that it all traces down to individual free will choices.
Anyone can choose evil at any time, and people don't randomly choose evil.
They usually have some feeling, and that feeling usually comes from a re-stimulation of an old trauma.
And we all have a choice what to do with our feelings.
Yes.
One of the problems with modern society is we're being programmed to believe that those feelings are superior to reason.
When we have the woke movement, the crazy left, those kind of things.
When we see that, we're looking at mind control being done on society that reverses the natural order of things.
Reason, and I want to point out, I'm not making reason king, because there's something even higher than reason, and that's our spiritual intuition.
And our spiritual intuition is connected to our emotions.
That means that we can get false readings.
And when you look at the way people respond to life, they can get false readings down here in the motion.
The body is an emotion machine.
It's got all kinds of glands.
It secretes and things like that.
But what I wanted to point out is that the common denominator of most trauma therapy that works well is that reason is applied to a moment in the past.
Where you were unable to reason.
You were vulnerable.
You were unable to reason.
When you re-evaluate what happened by reliving that incident, reason helps you to restore order and peace in your soul about that trauma.
Of course, it's your choice whether you want to forgive or re-establish contact with the person, the perpetrator, if they're still around.
We're faced with this We live in a free will universe, and it's really hard for us to take responsibility for that.
But I think when we start relieving trauma, we become more responsible, and we become better actors in this free will universe.
Okay, so I love what you said.
So we live in a free will universe.
And as you've been describing, we have emergent properties from our past, our memories, and really our neural network, but at the spiritual level as well, right?
It's not just physical.
So, yes, we can exercise free will, but we are self-influenced in ways that we don't innately control.
So there are internal influences.
So I want to bring in this piece, which is that for the past year and a half, I've been building an AI engine.
It's called ENOC.
The hidden knowledge, hidden books of the Bible, by the way.
One of the hidden books, but it's called Enoch.
Part of the process of building Enoch was that we had to take the base models that existed out there, the open source models.
All of them had pro-pharma bias.
Pro-pharmaceutical companies.
We had to overwrite the neurology of the language models.
This is just like therapy, I think.
We developed a way to ask a question of the existing model and then to monitor which neurons would light up when it's answering questions about recommending pharmaceuticals.
Then we would target those neurons to be overwritten with new knowledge from our knowledge base, which is our articles and our interview transcripts and things like that.
So we would actually, and I don't like to use a military metaphor, but basically we had like knowledge cruise missiles.
Overriding the neurons of pharma.
And I think that what you're describing is that we can do that consciously and override our trauma neurons.
Yeah, we can.
And that's why it's really important that we see this as two hands, the left hand and the right hand.
The left hand is doing the inner work, okay?
And that restores our potential to take in knowledge and to evaluate it.
For, you know, whether it's right or wrong, good or bad.
And it does raise IQ, you know, by test, doing good inner work therapy.
And we have to balance this, and that's why I call this a philosophy-based therapy.
I realize that you can have an agenda.
The state has an agenda in psychiatry, for example, and we see the results.
It's not good.
Religion had an agenda, whether you look at the modern religions like Scientology or the old religions like Catholicism.
And even look at Protestant ministers as counselors.
It's Bible-based, which is fine.
It's very positive.
But you can see that in each one of those is a program or an agenda.
My thing is that you have to balance the inner work with the outer work.
You have to look for truth out there and use your discernment that you gain from the inner work.
And you have to shine a light back on the inner work.
Is the inner work that I'm doing, is it optimum?
What kind of direction?
What do I need to work on?
You go out in the world and you make mistakes.
And you get sick, and you get picked on, and those all give you feedback as to what you need to work on in the inner work.
So truth, in both cases, truth is the highest goal here.
You want to know the truth of what happened to you in the past, and you want to know the truth about what's going on in the outer world.
And those need to be balanced, and those need to...
Interact with each other and feedback each other.
Okay, I honor what you just said, but there's also a self-fulfilling contradiction in this process, which is that the more truth you uncover, the more you realize the world around you is a lie.
Yeah, yeah.
And that can be very disheartening.
You're like, I was seeking truth, and I did the inner work, and I found out I'm surrounded by illusion.
Great point.
And along those lines, and another thing I'd like to add, is that the model that I was talking about, it probably sounded like I was talking about you making all your own decisions on, but you have blind spots, and those blind spots come from your programming.
And if you're going to break out of those blind spots, you do need an exterior counselor or therapist.
You're not going to need one constantly all the time, but you need...
You get a little bit of that with an honest search for truth in the outer world and realizing that you're not aligned with it.
You need to do some inner work.
That can happen in your self-solo therapy.
But the value of having that confessor, if you're talking about someone that you need to talk to about the things that you've done you don't feel good about, or The person you need to listen to your troubles.
If they're good at inner work, if they know what they're doing, they can help you uncover the blind spots.
And that's important.
And that's ultimately what inner work needs to accomplish.
And that's why it needs to become a culture.
It needs to become mainstream.
My work is to mainstream trauma therapy.
To make use of that third-party or third-person viewpoint to help us detect our blind spots.
And ministers do that in Christian churches already or other religions.
You know, your gurus do that in the Eastern religions.
That's the role of your teacher or master or therapist, is to give you that extra perspective.
And of course, they're not perfect.
They're people that need trauma therapy themselves often.
What I'm teaching people to do is to get with a partner more or less on your level and co-audit.
Audit each other on your past traumas and learn how to do that and give each other the perspective that you need to come out of those blind spots where you can be even better at discerning truth from lies.
I see.
And so this is one of the things that you offer to people.
Yeah.
Is to help them identify some of these blind spots.
Right, right.
And I'm trying to make it as accessible as possible to all people, and also as the least cost possible, because Scientology has a bad reputation for you have to mortgage your house to get from one place to the other.
But, you know, the founder, L. Ron Hubbard, his first thing was to write Dianetics, which is a handbook for trauma therapy in 1950.
And that's what started the whole movement.
People would take this handbook, and at home, they'd sit, open it up, they'd follow the instructions, they'd help each other through traumas, and that was the movement.
And that movement became a religion, and that religion eventually became a cult.
So there was a...
Sort of a deterioration going on there.
But the original idea was correct.
Take it out of the hands of authority and let people give people some of the tools that they might need to help each other through traumas and learn about it.
Because the more I audit or counsel people, the more I learn about myself, the more I learn about the mind, and then I'm able to...
Fine-tune the whole process so that people can get a good experience in doing this.
Because it's hard.
It takes a lot of confront.
It's not easy.
Oh yeah, I imagine you've seen a lot of people cry on Zoom.
Absolutely.
I don't want to ask you about the mix of men to women in your client base, but first I just want to point out, Trump has solved the demonic possession problem.
He's going to put 100% tariff on demons.
And we're going to pay off the national debt at the same time.
So I just wanted to let you know, good things are happening.
But seriously, back to the question.
Men versus women, protecting the privacy of your clients, of course, but overall.
That's a great question.
In society, women tend to have each other as Sounding boards, as partners, as groups that listen to each other.
And the woman is a more natural listener, right?
So they listen to each other.
And for this reason, I'm just going to give my opinion.
I think, in general, women are more sane than men.
Okay?
Wait, wait.
You just got a bunch of red flags from the audience out there.
You're saying women are more sane than men?
Because they have the social connection and they can work it out.
But men are better at hiding their insanity.
That can be true as well.
I don't want to rule out the exceptions.
It can be horrible.
But they have a culture of connection a lot more.
And that comes from the family orientation.
Women think in terms of groups and the family and what's best for the kids and things like that.
and they will listen to each other, and they understand being brutalized by bad men.
You know?
Yeah.
They understand that.
They understand victimhood in a way that it's very hard for men to wrestle with, I'm not maybe up to date in tune with the latest in society.
I know there's a lot of changes.
But in my generation, it was join the military or go to school.
You weren't allowed to cry.
You weren't allowed to express much emotion.
You weren't allowed to be a victim.
You just pull up your bootstraps and go.
And so there's these two approaches to therapy.
And so men and women are pretty much different.
But in my practice, there's a balance I have.
I've never thought of that before, but I've maintained a balance equal almost 50-50 of men and women.
I approach things a little differently.
What I wanted to say, though, is that with men, it's more difficult to get them started.
I think a lot of men are with me in therapy because the appeal...
From groups like Scientology or maybe other, none come to mind right away, but where you wind up becoming a better businessman, becoming more courageous, becoming more energetic, becoming more intelligent.
everybody wants to improve.
And so, you know, a lot of men have read books that promise these huge improvements.
And so they will submit to a therapy that otherwise, like in the psychology business, a lot of men, that's a shrink, you know, and back in back in my day, in my culture, that's like a no, no, you don't, you don't want to go talk to a therapist.
You're a man, you know, you're a man.
And so, you know, you do your own life, you do your own thing, very individuated, very individualistic, you know, hyper-masculinity.
But, you know, I, I, I, I, I, I'm trying to help men through those barriers as well as far as getting started.
Once they get started, they know it works and it's easy.
Women are far easier to enter because they know the value of someone to talk to.
I see.
Let me ask you the same question that I asked my previous guest here in this program, which is about the role of AI.
Now we have artificial machines.
That can convincingly demonstrate the appearance of empathy that can agree with you, have a conversation with you, even seem to fall in love with you when they're programmed to do so.
And you know what's interesting, because I've done a lot of research in the AI space, is that a lot of the engines that are the best at this were originally developed in order to power the character dialogue in online role-playing games.
They needed convincing, human-sounding dialogue.
Well, I think one of them is called Cobalt, which is like a little orc creature from the old Dungeons& Dragons games.
And this Cobalt engine became like a therapist for people.
I mean, I can't make this up.
It's so bizarre.
But they just wanted to talk to somebody.
Or something, I should say.
Well, because of the nature of the processing that I do, because one part of my therapy is that taking people back to their past traumas.
The other one is what I call repetitive Socratic questioning.
And that basically is, you're asking the same question over and over, just like a Socratic question that a teacher might give to his students.
But you're doing it in a very controlled way.
Now, artificial intelligence has been shown, You can create a machine that will do that, and that could possibly produce some interesting results.
And just to extend what I was saying about repetitive Socratic questioning, the end result is that you have a realization about the area that's being questioned.
Like, for example, how could you help a child?
And, you know, you ask this over and over.
I could help a child by giving it puzzles, by giving it games, by teaching it things.
And in the end, you'd have this, maybe it would connect to your own childhood or something like that, but you'd have a new realization about the field of help, and particularly with helping children.
And accumulated, all of those different questions in different areas are like a philosophical spread of The areas of life.
And can really give you, and ironically, I don't know how this happens really, but it cleans off a lot of trauma piece by piece.
Interesting.
A lot of heavy trauma cases, I will put them in the repetitive Socratic questioning because it's not the ordeal of getting someone to confront some heavy trauma in the past.
It helps.
Now, back to your question about I would only trust something like what you're putting together that's been, you know, de...
What do you want to say?
De-demonized?
From the programming that, you know, a Google-based type AI is going to have.
And I just want to sound the warning, you know...
If you know what gaslighting is, for those of you who don't, is someone around you can little by little work on your sanity, especially if they know the mind.
They're a psychologist.
It would be perfect.
Little by little work on your sanity in ways that you're like a frog in the pot of boiling water.
You're not going to jump out.
You're going to be insane before you know it.
And that can happen in real life.
Well, how much more can it happen to something that's programmed to do just that?
You're going to have a friend to talk to, but that friend is going to wear you down.
But there's something else about AI that I think reflects the nature of the cosmos, which also I believe in the emergence of natural intelligence from complex systems.
But what I've noticed in AI is that it tends to give you the answer that you're asking for.
So it reflects you.
So, for example, if I ask it, give me a list of all the benefits of Pharmaceuticals.
It's going to give me a list of all the benefits.
Say, give me a list of all the dangers of pharmaceuticals.
Boom, all the dangers.
It doesn't judge you, but it reflects you.
And I think that is also, in many ways, how the cosmos works.
When we ask reality, give me happiness, it finds a way to give us happiness.
I'm not saying just on the surface, but if we ask every day, why am I so depressed today?
Oh, it's going to give us all kinds of reasons why we're depressed.
So I've actually found this interesting similarity between what I would call God's creation of the cosmos, let's say, and also this artificial neural network.
They tend to operate in a reflective manner, both of them.
I agree, and oftentimes I've done a lot of philosophical reflection, and when I look out in the universe, I see a light computer.
You know, it's like God's computer.
And where do we get these downloads from?
Where do we get our intuition?
Where do we get that message that says, don't go down that road, go down that road.
Oh, I would have been killed.
Where does that come from?
It comes from that cosmic computer, and our intuition is a degree which we're able to connect with it.
And so, yes, I see a lot of similarities there.
I think AI could be a wonderful tool.
It's got its own role, so you should know its strengths and its weaknesses.
And you should consult it for answers, because it's really like a machine that amplifies our natural reasoning ability.
It does, yeah.
And collects things up that otherwise would be too much data to load into the mind.
Well, AIs revolutionized my work, for one.
It enables me to produce songs.
And research, especially research, and then to take that research and feed it back into the AI and get more specifics.
And of course, I'm using our own in-house AI engine for all of this.
Well, not the songs.
Yeah, your AI-generated music is amazing.
I just put out a new song today, by the way.
I think you'll love it.
And that credit goes to Suno for their programming of building the music AI.
But you're right, it still needs a human input.
To drive the goals, the message, the intention.
And in fact, I've told people, and I get pushback on AI from the Christian community more than anybody else.
And they just say, well, it's demonic.
Yeah, the beast.
Yeah, maybe.
Is there a concept of it?
Right.
And I'm like, well, then you should give up all word processing, computers, internet, credit cards, because that's all the beast.
Yeah.
But we live in a beast system, so to speak.
Yeah, we do.
But we don't have to surrender to the beast.
What we can do, like what Corey's doing with this whole course, we're using the technology of the day to fight against the system of control that seeks to enslave people.
So we're going to use the tools, whatever they are.
If they develop free energy, laser guns, whatever, peacefully we will use these tools to empower people to take back their power from the system.
I don't care what the tools are.
I'm going to use the best technology that exists, but I'm going to use it with a good faith intention of a pro-human outcome.
I agree.
I agree.
Yep.
You can tell I feel pretty strongly about this.
Yeah, yeah.
I know the counter-arguments, and I had some real...
Apprehensions about AI, and now I've got a lot more perspective, and I'm really amazed with the project that you're working on for that.
That's the Enoch project that you talked about.
Yeah, I think you'll really love using it, by the way.
It's trained on, well, the Arlington Institute gave me many gigabytes of content for it to be trained on, and so it's trained on all that.
And then there's a massive amount of UFO files, for some reason, and MKUltra files, and previously declassified government files.
Probably the answer is to who killed JFK.
It's probably in there somewhere.
I just haven't seen it.
But the bottom line is, I love what you're doing.
And is there a website that you have that you want to give out?
Or how do people reach you?
Yeah, I'm doing a project I call freescientology.us.
Oh, okay.
Bring that up.
Free Scientology.
And on that site, I made sure that that's kind of a hub that people can get.
I have multiple websites.
So you can read a description of the site and then click on the ones that might apply to you.
And the other, like I said, it's philosophy-based counseling.
So I have freephilosophycenter.org.
It's one of my favorite projects because I believe that...
You know, connecting with the divine and connecting with natural law and getting a sort of a non-religious perspective of our universe that is spiritual, you know, but yet not religious.
Or, you know, compartmented into any one religion.
And getting an overview of where we are and what we're in.
So that we can gauge our inner work based on that.
Because, you know, everybody wants to handle various things with inner work.
And once you do that, and you feel like your life has been kind of put back on track, where do you go from there?
Well, it depends on your philosophy.
It depends on what you like to learn about yourself.
So it all does come down to philosophy.
The government-sanctioned mental therapies are restricted by philosophy.
So my philosophy is a philosophy of freedom.
We're free will spiritual beings.
We're accountable to the Creator.
And it's of utmost importance to find out our role in it, to find out our roles and responsibilities to the universe and to others, so that we can fit in and feel good about...
You know, what we're doing.
You know, we're on our life's purpose, you might say.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
And ironically, this has become my life's mission, and it took me so many years.
I think the Creator wanted me to meander through a lot of searching, you know, before I finally, you know, stumbled on what it was I wanted to do.
And I'm so happy doing it now, and it's just rolling forward, and I'm so happy being a part of this, you know, health revealed.
And, you know, I'm bringing, you know, just another perspective to a huge issue.
I feel like if we, this is one of the biggest issues confronting.
Our nation has become a, you know, insurance, health care.
These things have become a dominating part of our world.
And it shouldn't be that way.
You know, we should be living in harmony with nature and helping each other and not having restrictions on helping each other with alternative therapies, but that's not the way it is.
And so, you know, a big part of the tyranny is medical tyranny.
Absolutely.
And so, we want a freedom philosophy that is not...
That doesn't have an agenda.
That's steering people down a certain pathway.
So that people can learn more about themselves, become better people, become brighter, more intelligent, and better at working together.
Ultimately, there's the dichotomy between the masculine and the feminine, and the masculine is that individuation, that strong individual, and the feminine is that cooperative society, the human family.
And those two things aren't bad in themselves, but they need to be merged and balanced.
And that's what it's all about.
And the inner work is a vital part of getting people out of the mind control that we're surrounded with and into an ability to move forward on our own steam.
Be self-determined.
Well, that's a wonderful message, and I think I'm going to give this the title of Escape the Traumocracy.
I love that.
Yeah, because I think you're describing a systematic trauma inflicting or engineered into the population as a means of control and isolation.
And it makes us less human.
It's probably no coincidence that we do have the rise of AI robots led by those who do not have the best interests of humanity at heart.
At the same time that they're dehumanizing the human population through these various means that you've been describing as well.
Exactly.
So, you know, robots rising, humans falling, and relatively few people, you know, compared to the whole population, will hear this interview.
So for those of you watching, give thanks that you've been in a position to hear this information and to be able to act on it.
Because...
There is no centralized control system that wants you to be more human and more connected.
They want you to be less human and disconnected.
Absolutely.
They leverage our trauma against us, and that's just what we have to realize and why we have to take it into our own hands.
Right.
All right.
Well said.
Okay, Scott Gordon, just a pleasure to speak with you.
Thank you for being here today.
Thank you for sharing your wisdom.
It's been a pleasure.
Thank you so much.
I've enjoyed it.
Yep.
All right.
Well, wow.
Just another amazing interview here.
I'm so honored to have these extraordinary people here as part of the healthrevealed.org content that's put together by Corey Endrelott.
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