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April 25, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams

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Robert Scott Bell and Mike Adams SHAKE PANDORA’S BOX and dare to discuss spirituality...

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	Welcome to today's interview here at the Brightown.com studios in Texas.
	I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brightown, and today we're joined by a longtime friend and special guest, a real champion for human liberty and health freedom, Robert Scott Bell.
	Mike.
	Welcome, Robert.
	My brother.
	Yeah, great to see you.
	We've been on this journey a long time.
	It's like a reunion every time we connect.
	Oh, it's incredible.
	You and I have known each other 20 years or something?
	Easily.
	I'm thinking, when you first appeared, we did those Health Ranger reports on the Robert Scott Bell Show.
	You remember that?
	Yeah, I do.
	Super Don was there doing his thing, and just to see what you have toured me to see here just blows my mind.
	Because when we were talking together about these issues, I don't know that I could have predicted where we are today, even the good stuff especially, because we've seen a lot of the bad.
	So the journey that we've been on, I think it's important to continue to share these stories that people wake up today and they don't know how we got here.
	There's a lot of that happening.
	That's true.
	And there is so much we want to cover here.
	But, okay, here's where we are today, right?
	You and I are filming this end of April 2025.
	Trump's president, RFK Jr., his head of HHS, both of those things were pretty major milestones to achieve.
	Secretary Kennedy, as we must now refer to him, has just announced this banning of food dyes, which of course we support that, but I've also kind of mocked it as like, okay, fine, but what about the way more important stuff?
	So my question to you is, where do you think this is headed?
	Because I still have faith in Secretary Kennedy and his motivations and his knowledge, but what do you think he's going to be able to accomplish?
	Well, I think from his experience, and when he came on the scene, Back in the early, mid-2000s, having met all these moms that presented him research about mercury, vaccines, that kind of thing.
	I was impressed with his willingness to take that on, the untakeable honorable, if you were on the inside, right?
	Here's a guy with royalty in the political world of the 20th century.
	And his willingness to do that, I notched that.
	I said, okay, this guy's rather interesting.
	But still, as it evolved, I always had this sneaking concern that, just like anybody coming from a family like that, Is there a play that we don't see here?
	But as I've seen him consistently throughout the years, I've interacted with him some, not as much as others, but been impressed that his track record shows to me that he is sincere, legitimate.
	I was genuinely moved when he talked about the prayers that he would engage in every day, and it was a very selfless prayer.
	Not for anything self-aggrandizing, but please put me in a place where I can help these children.
	It made my heart happy to hear that.
	Pretty extraordinary thing, the impossible, happened with the statement, and then God sent me Donald Trump.
	Now that, of course, sent the left into an apoplectic fit.
	For one, they don't like anything God-related often, but let's put that aside and just recognize that, you know, even for those of us, we don't worship Trump, we don't worship Kennedy, we don't worship political figures, but we really do know that if you believe in God or something greater,
	that we all can be at any moment used for good or we can choose bad purposes.
	And so for those that had the derangement syndrome or the black-pilled view of the world, right?
	Nothing matters.
	It's all rigged.
	Everything's, you know.
	That's something I never would adopt, even though I know I have some empathy for people that are there because they've been through so much for so long.
	But yet there's a plus factor in life.
	That's what I've found.
	Miracles that occur every day, and the fact is, it's not written in stone, that future.
	And I know you've been going into heavy-level biblical stuff, prophecy stuff.
	It's fascinating.
	I talk to Superdome.
	I'm like, I can't believe Mike's doing what he's doing.
	Do you want to alienate that much of your audience?
	You're like, whatever, this is what I'm learning.
	So I sit back and laugh, and I try to be a little gentle with those things, but I appreciate the fact that you don't back down.
	But the willingness to confront these uncomfortable, Both historical and contemporary realities and also recognize that even prophecy from ages ago is not set in stone, that there is grace.
	There are opportunities to make choices in the moment that we might have predicted they're going to go this way and then they go another way.
	And when people say to me, well, people don't change, I'm like, I look at my own self in the mirror and say, how many things have I changed in my life when I was completely ignorant, pharmaceutically, medically oriented?
	And now here I am, you know, homeopath 30 years, 25 years in broadcast media.
	I didn't know any of this as I grew up for the first 24 years of my life.
	And so, and then I look at other people that have changed marginally or significantly in their lifetime.
	And I say, there's always an opportunity for change.
	And that, I don't think it's a naive perspective that I carry because I'm very aware of the dark forces.
	We've interacted with them.
	There are times in my learning and research that I've hidden under the covers.
	Honestly, it was like, this is too scary.
	I don't want to come out.
	And then you find a way back out and say, well, I'm here for a purpose and for a reason, and I want to live up to that, and I can't be too cocky that I've achieved it and there's no more to learn or that I could never be also compromised.
	We have to maintain that level of humility, too, in the midst of it, even though I know a lot of stuff, you know a lot of stuff.
	It's a real trap to go, I know it all.
	And that happens.
	We've seen friends that it's happened to.
	So I just speak in the larger journey that there's always an opportunity for grace and for miracles.
	Well, I love the way that you approach things, and you definitely have a more gentle approach than do I. Yeah, I tend to provoke people or sometimes polarize people.
	But the common thread of what I've run into, kind of to answer some of what you brought up there, Is that humanity has been kept in the dark throughout all time.
	Information has been denied us, and what Google is doing today as a disinformation search engine that banishes the truth about health, I was shocked to find out when I began really studying and teaching the scripture, I was shocked to find out a couple things,
	like the Bible that we know is a...
	A censored version of the far greater set of writings.
	And there's the lost books, the hidden books, the hidden scrolls, the Vatican is sitting on a whole archive of stuff they won't release.
	And so I'm like, well, why is this what we're taught and not these other things?
	Oh, you're not supposed to know about the giants or Enoch, which is the name of my AI engine.
	And then I found out that a lot of people who call themselves Christians Have never honestly read the book of Revelation because Revelation is just never taught in mainstream churches at all.
	And so what I found is that what most people believe about Revelation is not what they read, but it's what somebody told them.
	And then when I challenge them and I say, like, hey, in Revelation chapter 19, verse 11 forward, is there any mention of Jesus at all?
	And if they go read it, they're like, wow, no, it's not in there.
	Or find the word rapture anywhere in the Bible.
	And it's not there.
	So I like to provoke people to explore and learn by getting you to open the book.
	This is amazing to watch that aspect because I know that so much of our history has been selective censorship.
	It has, 100%.
	And for me, when I started my journey with health being that leading...
	You know, that flag carrying the health flag.
	It was a recognition that maybe I could break through their own censors, right?
	And the individual who has the censor, because it's like, we're motivated to be well for the most part, we want to be healthy, and it didn't confront any religious dogma necessarily, although there's some that you can't help to kind of step on toes.
	But I recognize, you know, people have their beliefs, their delusions, illusions, etc., and that's part of this journey.
	And it's not like I want to disabuse them of that for sport, right?
	No, not for sport, no.
	Although that would be an exciting sport.
	It could be fun if you're into watching people just lose it as they see reality suddenly challenged.
	Like instantly red-pilled.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's too much too soon.
	And I said, what if I had learned all that I know today 25 years ago or 30 years ago or more?
	And it's so shocking that you would end up...
	Physically ill or worse.
	And so I'm sensitive to that, but I recognize it's also not my role nor your role to protect people from what we call truth.
	But I don't think that, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, that you're doing it for purposes of, you know, I don't like these people.
	You know, it's sort of like, hey, you know, there's stuff you didn't know.
	And we're at a time where we can't keep that under wraps.
	I'm here to free people's minds.
	Like, that's it.
	And it's funny because on Twitter, everybody's talking about where are the Epstein files.
	So I could follow that up and say, well, where are the Bible files?
	Yeah, this has been a long journey.
	You want the Epstein files.
	What about the thousands of years of files you haven't been allowed to see?
	Don't you want to see those?
	What's actually written there?
	See, so I think that much of human history has been hidden from us.
	And I'm talking not even scripture now, but just events of history.
	Do you want to go real controversial?
	Of course we do.
	Yeah, why not?
	Here's the thing.
	The brutality and ugliness of humanity against humanity throughout history.
	It's not new.
	You can see it in the Bible.
	But in a contemporary way, we can focus on the atrocities in Ukraine.
	We can look at Israel, Palestinian stuff.
	And this is my perspective.
	Again, I'm not telling people what to believe, but I'm like, it made no sense to me that you were born into a situation like that.
	And then, done.
	You're out.
	And of course, if you get into Christian theology, you didn't get to meet Jesus or accept Jesus.
	It's over.
	You're done.
	You're burning in hell.
	I mean, that's the extremes of it.
	And I'm not trying to offend, but I'm just saying, these are the things that I thought.
	And what about the atrocities during Nazi Germany?
	Even though some of the stories were exaggerated, the numbers aren't exact, but still, there was some bad stuff that happened.
	Absolutely.
	Nobody disputes that.
	I don't.
	Growing up, you know.
	Like IG Farben, man.
	Yeah.
	Oh, it's brutal and ugly.
	What about those people that engaged in the brutal?
	Torture and killing of innocents, children, gays, Jews, gypsies, whatever.
	They get out of this and that's it?
	I'm like, let's bring them back.
	They're now born into Palestine.
	And the people that were victimized are now in Israel.
	You follow what I'm saying here?
	Are you saying reincarnation now?
	Yes, I am.
	I know, again, that's why I said I'm going to go controversial.
	It is controversial among Christians.
	Well, and among some of the teachings of early Christianity, it wasn't a controversy until we need to control the people and let them know they only have one time through, and if they don't get it right, they're screwed.
	Now we have control over them.
	Yeah.
	So I believe it was also part of early Christianity.
	We get into the more mystic side, Christian mysticism, Gnosticism, etc.
	So here I am saying this just as a concern I have, that if we are duped into believing we only get this one shot and we're done, I just don't find that reasonable.
	That's just me talking.
	Sure, yeah.
	I mean, there's a lot to learn.
	I'm open to this conversation, but you know, that's classic Buddhism.
	It could be considered that, but it's not exclusive to Buddhism.
	No, it's not exclusive to Buddhism.
	I mean, Hinduism, for example, right?
	But it also brings, I love that we're having a philosophical discussion here, but it brings in the question of then original sin.
	Are you born with sin?
	And of course, the Catholic Church and the Christian Church has argued that for millennia, that you're born with sin.
	This is the same as what medicine says about your immune system.
	Like, you're born with immune sin.
	And the only way to treat your immune sin is with a vaccine.
	And then you are saved.
	Yes.
	Right?
	It's actually the same story as Catholicism to say you're born in sin.
	You can only be saved through the Catholic Church.
	You know who wrote about this extensively and so well?
	Our dear friend who's passed from this place.
	Maybe he's back by now.
	Liam Sheff.
	Yes, Liam.
	His book, Official Stories, and so many things.
	He talked about the repeating patterns throughout history, the mythologies that would replay through various teachings, religions.
	You know, we got East and West differentiation.
	We got differentiation within each religion.
	You know, how many sects of Christianity are there?
	How many versions of Judaism or Islam, etc.?
	And it's the human experience.
	You know, we like to tell ourselves stories.
	We like to glom onto ones that feel right for us.
	Yet we have, you know, we're storytelling species.
	We are a tribal species as well.
	And so we try to find people that have maybe a similar state
	I was never one that sat still in that space.
	Now, what drew me deeper and deeper is wanting to know why I was sick.
	And realizing, you know, we go back to censorship, we realize the history of contemporary modern medicine is a censorship of all other forms of medicine that preceded it.
	Absolutely.
	But this is the control mechanism throughout all of human history, is to control people through institutions, scientism, Catholicism, evangelical Christianity, or LGBT cultism,
	climate cultism.
	What do they all have in common?
	Controlling people by limiting knowledge.
	Yeah, and creating an us-versus-them Hegelian dialectic everywhere you look.
	Yes.
	And if we believe that we are created of God, by God, in God's image, however you perceive it, why would we adopt that?
	To what benefit to us?
	Because I've found over the years, I've got friends that I call family from various religious backgrounds, scientific knowledge or none.
	And there's a heart connection because we come from the same place and we just, for some reason, we have to wear a flag or, you know, raise a flag and go, uh-uh, it's mine or the way or the highway.
	I'm like, dude, how many times do we have to do that before we go, okay, I've had my fun, I'm done.
	And this to me is a very spiritual forward focus, not one that's anti-whatever.
	It's more or less promotion of what is this journey for you?
	How does it feel right?
	Because if you are aligned in a sense of not wanting to look at the things you're bringing up and you're happy there, I'm going to go, yeah, as long as you're not violating the rights of others, harming and killing people.
	Yeah, true.
	Knock yourself out.
	It's great.
	I love that it lifts you up and your heart is happy.
	Well, every person is welcome to their own delusions.
	Exactly.
	God gave us that ability, choice, agency.
	Right.
	And just for the record, by the way, I believe in our Creator.
	I believe in Jesus Christ and that He died for our sins, just to be clear.
	And at the same time, I will question Christians who say that, you know, Jesus said he is the only one and true way to God.
	Because I'll bring up logic.
	What about all the Jews who lived before the time of Jesus?
	Did they all go to hell?
	So are you anti-Semite now because you say all Jews went to hell before?
	Or what about modern Jews?
	They don't recognize Christ as a savior, but Islam does.
	Islam recognizes Christ at least as a prophet, not their savior.
	Muhammad is their savior.
	but Islam...
	And then people's heads go, and that's why we're showing like scenes of hell.
	Yeah.
	You all are going to hell.
	Oh my God, you're all going to hell.
	Robert, I used to like you.
	I can't believe you said these things.
	Yeah, I just think that the conversation needs to happen.
	It's adult, it's mature, and it's not in any way, in my attempt, to denigrate anyone.
	And words are not...
	Explosive vests.
	We should be able to talk in words and let people think about things.
	Even to our audience, whatever your religious beliefs are, whatever your science beliefs are, whatever, they should be internally consistent.
	That's my point.
	They should be internally consistent.
	Let's say the flat earth people, which is a pretty big movement right now.
	I even said the other day, I admire The ability of the Flat Earth movie, I don't agree with their conclusions, but I admire their ability to question, to ask big questions.
	I admire that.
	I don't have a problem with it either, and we welcome them all on the show.
	I mean, we have fun and we make fun of one another, but it's in love, not spite and hate.
	That's the thing, the greatest humor, the insult humor of some of the greatest...
	Comedians of the 20th century.
	Bobby Dangerfield?
	Dangerfield and others.
	They did it because they loved people.
	They loved humanity and the difference.
	And it is a difference versus what we see of the political left and their form of humor.
	It's usually done coming from hate and anger.
	And it doesn't land that way.
	And then you find occasionally they'll start making fun of themselves and you're thinking, did they find comedy Jesus finally?
	That they actually are funny?
	Or is it...
	Just that they're seeing the winds are blowing in that regard.
	But the ability to laugh at yourself and not take yourself too seriously is so critical on this path.
	So anybody upset by what you're saying, lighten up.
	And I just say that in a loving way.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm the same way.
	And what I find is sometimes I'll have a conversation with somebody about some of these things and they freak out at first.
	And then a couple days later, they're like, you know what?
	I actually did then start to think about that.
	And you're right.
	And I went back and reread this and that.
	I'm like, great.
	So you're reading scripture again.
	Yeah, that's awesome.
	Mission accomplished.
	That's awesome.
	So going back to the whole censorship thing, whether it be a religious dogma view of the Bible or extraneous books that were censored out of it, all of that.
	You know, as we come back to the health discussion, which is a big part of both of our journey.
	Totally, totally.
	That's where we all really started.
	Like, how did I grow up in America, the freest country, and never hear the word homeopathy until I'm 24 years of age?
	I know, it's crazy.
	Yeah, and that began my journey, and that uncovered a lot of...
	Uncomfortable things.
	Yeah.
	Where it wasn't just in health.
	It was in the various religions.
	It was in science.
	Name the arena.
	Money.
	Economics, right?
	Absolutely.
	So I was driven to dig deep below the surface in all of those areas and, you know, start the show in 1999 and just let loose with health primarily as the focus in health freedom.
	And occasionally we could stretch out into other areas.
	And I appreciate, you know, the audience being willing.
	Yeah, that's just Robert being Robert.
	He's all right.
	He's good.
	Yeah.
	Because I don't...
	Think of myself as harmful or harmless.
	This is who I am.
	And we try to bring what we experience in life to the audience for hopefully their benefit.
	Well, you make a really good point.
	So the way you and I operate, and let me give out your website too, robertscottbell.com.
	Thanks, we have it on screen.
	And your show is amazing.
	I'm watching your clips constantly.
	You have great guests on, for example.
	You and I are both always consistently acting in good faith for humanity.
	Now, whether or not the audience agrees with every single point that we say, that doesn't betray the fact that you and I have an intrinsic love for human beings.
	And that love can sometimes get us into trouble.
	So let me give you an example.
	I tweeted out the other day, I said, I have a new golden rule.
	I'm going to treat you the way you treat Palestinian children.
	Boom!
	Kaboom!
	You know, everything blows up.
	Everybody loses their minds.
	I'm like, hey, if you can't...
	And again, this is just my personal view, right?
	But I say I love humanity, which means I can't support a campaign that bombs civilians, especially as a Christian.
	Especially as a Christian, I can't support that.
	But I just decided that the golden rule is a good rule.
	Treat others as you wish to be treated, and then inflict upon others as they would inflict upon you.
	You know what I'm saying?
	If someone's out there saying, let's bomb children, I'm like, I'm not going to treat you like a human.
	And as I describe the potential or the consideration for living multiple lifetimes to balance the scales, it isn't to put the people that are doing this off the hook or give them off the hook.
	It's just saying, you have a choice to continue the same pattern.
	Or you have the opportunity to learn because God's grace and love for you gives you the opportunity to dive to the depths of the most ugly places, but find redemption somehow, some way.
	Whether you do it through a Christian theological perspective or experiential time and time again, I'm not attached to this.
	I'm just sharing with you my perspectives on this.
	Let me ask you, how do you graduate from the cycle of reincarnation in your thinking?
	That's a great question.
	I mean, in my experience, it's, you know, how do you engage in what we call karma-less action, right?
	And in a very general sense, anybody can do this by declaring themselves a vehicle channel for divine love, for God's love, for Christ's love, and everything you do in that name.
	Now, I'm not saying you then go back and do the same bad things, but now you're doing that.
	Obviously, it seems silly, but sometimes you have to say these things.
	But in one sense, finding a guide, whether it be the Bible that inspires you to live a good and godly life, you begin to break the cycle of creating more attachments to having to return, return, return.
	And whether you believe or perceive that, you know, you got it and you're one and done or not, it is a continuity, an opportunity to learn just as we would go through.
	How much can we learn?
	Some people can learn a lot, but dude, there is so much.
	As much as I've learned, I'm like, dude, there's so much more.
	So, again, I can't prove that to anybody.
	I can just say that in my experience, my belief system, what I've encountered, what I've remembered, others might say that's delusional and that's okay.
	I'm not here to prove it to anybody.
	That's the other thing.
	It doesn't bother me that people believe different things.
	I'm at peace with that perspective, that longer view.
	It puts the age-old question.
	I'd ask the rabbis, the priests, everybody.
	It's like, why do bad things happen to good people?
	Why is a child born in Ethiopia, dies in a few days?
	All of those things.
	And we all struggle with, how do we answer that?
	And most of the answers that were given to me were not adequate to what satisfied me and or you have to wait to die to find that out.
	And I'm like, no, that's even worse than that.
	Now, because I've had what we call NDEs or near-death experiences in my life.
	I want to ask you about that.
	Finding myself separate from this physical shell obviously changed my worldview, and anybody that has died and come back typically sees things differently, and they lose a fear of death, which is really a fear of living, ironically.
	I have no fear of dying, by the way.
	Zero.
	But have you had an NDE?
	No, but I've had an angelic intervention that saved my life.
	There you go, yeah.
	Those kind of what we call spiritually transformative experiences.
	Actually, I was invited by Spiritual Awakenings International, SAI, it's non-denominational, everybody's welcome, to do the closing meditation of their event in June on love, divine love.
	Sounds great.
	And sometimes we get so enamored and...
	Fearful of power.
	And I was like, what is the most powerful force in the universe?
	I believe it's love.
	It's divine love.
	Detached love.
	But a love that God gives to us and to all of us.
	And yet, we fall prey to fear all of the time.
	And we might speak a good game, whether it be biblical or otherwise, about love.
	And then we fall prey to fear.
	That can happen to all of us, yes.
	And so I wanted to really emphasize that that love that gave us life is more powerful than power itself.
	It's the healing force of the universe.
	Absolutely.
	It's the basis.
	And when I've said, as a homeopath, my role is not to find the right remedy for someone who comes to help, which is weird.
	It's like, wait a second, why are they coming to you?
	Well, that may be part of it, but it's really to acknowledge and remind them of the true source of all their healing, which is their divinity, their relationship to the divine.
	From there, everything comes.
	And the recognition that homeopathy works is actually a confirmation of the nature of love as it is infused through all of us, and love and consciousness together.
	Because I think homeopathy is an expression of consciousness through physical matter.
	Very much so, and it's such a threat to the established order, not just the medical order, but think about healthy people.
	How much do they depend or rely upon external government or experts or authorities?
	And so that's one of the biggest battles that we've faced since the 1790s when Hahnemann developed homeopathy.
	He basically made a medicine that anybody can make and access for pennies if they know how to do it.
	I love teaching people how to do it, but I also want them to be able to get it, and yet in the Biden four years of COVID crazy, his FDA, if you can call it that, basically removed the compliance policy guide 400.400.
	Which basically gave guidance for, here's how you market and sell homeopathic medicines in what we'd love to have a free market for that.
	Yeah, because they were getting ready to just completely outlaw it.
	They were going to try, but they would have to do a congressional act because it was the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act of 1938 passed in 1939 that grandfathered the pharmacopoeia.
	So it was a legally recognized drug system.
	People were like, it's a drug?
	Well, it's not the same as the allopathic, but it just adopted the compendia, the pharmacopoeia, so you had the ability to be...
	There is a legally recognized drug system in America.
	Exactly.
	And that got deleted.
	Until Biden and the COVID thing happened.
	Well, and that's the theme that we're talking about here today, the deletion of knowledge from human consciousness, from memory, from history.
	They wanted to wipe out homeopathy from all of history.
	And actually, the entire censorship regime under Biden, which has now been largely exposed, and a lot of it's being unraveled.
	That regime was designed to do the same thing, to label anybody who questioned the narratives as misinformation or disinformation.
	The GEC, right?
	Rubio has dismantled a lot of that now, and those people have been fired, but that's all to silence us from asking questions.
	Man, a good friend of ours, Sarah Gee, was on the list.
	You were on the list, all the dirty disinfo dozen that was 13 or more.
	We've seen that it's a globalist agenda.
	It's not just a dark state and only America.
	In fact, it had almost nothing to do with it.
	It was in the UK, too.
	Right?
	And so you're realizing, how deep does that rabbit hole go?
	Then we come back to Alex Jones.
	It's like, dude, he's been saying this stuff for how long?
	It's wild to think all the things that were conspiratorial, even to some of our community.
	Recognizing it's mild today to say the things that are being said in mainstream, whether it be media, but certainly in circles of polite company, we can say these things and not be considered even controversial.
	It's wild.
	Hey, can I ask you about your NDE?
	Yes.
	During your NDE experience, did you surrender the identity that you know of today as Robert Scott Bell?
	Or were you still in the Robert Scott Bell identity?
	I was aware that I was in this present incarnation at that time.
	Okay.
	And I ended up, of course, in a place of such beauty, and it was very much a natural setting, which kind of was conducive, I guess, to what I appreciate so much.
	But still, it was like, what the heck is going on?
	The colors are more vivid.
	I could smell, I could feel the wind, I could feel the warmth of the sun.
	And years later, I went to a spiritual seminar, and the artwork on the promotion for that thing when I arrived was the exact place I had been.
	Wow.
	I mean, somebody had obviously been there, too, and did this beautiful painting of it.
	It was like years later.
	It was like a little bit of a confirmation of my journey.
	But it wasn't a real place, a physical place in this world?
	Not to my knowledge, no.
	It was a different level of consciousness.
	Or, you know, if we talk about planes of existence, I look at that.
	From a roadmap perspective, like we have a physical shell or body we're in, there's an emotional body, a mental body, even a causal or a memory-type body, going to beyond that into what I call our true spiritual selves as soul.
	And this is another thing about my nitpicking on language.
	It's like people always talk about having a soul.
	I'm like, how can you have what you are?
	How can you possess what you are?
	You don't have a soul.
	You are that.
	Good point.
	This is the illusion that we inhabit.
	And when you leave in that way...
	Or whether you can do it consciously, because I believe you can.
	You don't have to die.
	That was my experience.
	It was like, oh, I've got to find out how to do this without dying.
	And that became a practice for me to recognize that, indeed, I am soul.
	Yeah, you have a body.
	Yes, exactly.
	But you are a soul.
	Yeah, and it's not controversial to say I'm a spiritual being having human experiences now.
	A lot of people go, yeah.
	That used to be considered crazy New Age stuff.
	And now it should be commonly accepted.
	Okay, so let me ask you this question then.
	About reincarnation.
	And I also believe in a format of that, which I'll explain here.
	I just want to run this by you, see what you think.
	In the book of Revelation, it talks about how all the dead souls are then brought up for judgment, and your book of life, the recordings of all your deeds, are then judged by God, and then you're sorted out heaven or hell,
	basically.
	But in heaven, which is...
	Elaborately described in the later chapters, like chapters 24, 25, whatever it is, talks about then your soul, which is in this other place that is not Earth, not a 3D world, right?
	It's this other place.
	You rejoin this stream of life that comes from the throne of the Creator.
	And in my mind, that's always interpreted as your soul.
	It's really like the gift of life from God, the gift of breath from God, is that he gives you your soul identity as a fraction of himself.
	And that during this life, you are this container, this soul container.
	But you rejoin with God.
	A lot of people who have died and come back have had that experience.
	So what if reincarnation is actually that each of us, in essence, being part of God, Have lived through everybody else's life.
	Sure.
	Yeah, and that's certainly a possible interpretation.
	That's why I say, when I talk about this, it's not with attachment.
	I'm not trying to convince anybody.
	Right, right.
	Because I talk with folks, you know, from different views on that, that bring things like that up, that we had experiences in an unearthly way, right?
	And so we're misinterpreting it or reinterpreting it, and that's fine, you know, however you take it.
	Look, I happen to believe that we inhabit various bodies, probably even right now, that we can't consciously.
	You know, consider, because it'd be overwhelming.
	How do you focus on where you are if you become aware suddenly of that, much less if you become aware?
	Why don't you remember all of those past experiences?
	I don't know, but my clone is mowing the lawn.
	There you go.
	At home right now.
	That's good.
	I gave my clone duties so that I could be free.
	Very smart.
	Well, and that's the thing.
	You can set yourself up to do so many things and bring that information back.
	Of course, now we're relying increasingly on what we call AI, as you know, out here, which is...
	It's outrageously inventive and creative, and it could be destructive, as we know.
	Yeah, clearly.
	But we are given the freedom to perhaps use it for good, hopefully, in the end.
	But I don't know how this plays out, but we're here for the play.
	But I love your posture on all this.
	This is so fascinating, being able to talk to you about this.
	And it's really so freeing.
	I mean, honestly, I rarely get to talk to somebody who has your mature mindset and this big picture perspective.
	So let's talk about AI for a second.
	Sure.
	Of course, I'm launching an AI engine, which is, we've eliminated almost all the pharma bias, and it's a great research tool for natural health.
	It's trained on a lot of homeopathy, too, by the way.
	So this is, I think, a positive use of AI.
	But the other corporations out there are probably trying to build Skynet, exterminate humanity, and dominate the world.
	But at the same time, I've also said, I want a weed-pulling robot that I can buy for my ranch.
	I want a practical robot.
	That can do things that take my time.
	But I don't want it to kill me when I'm sleeping.
	Seems reasonable.
	Right.
	So I've said, don't buy robots with opposable thumbs.
	I don't want to be able to pick up tools, but I want a little weed-pulling hoof.
	As we talk about the advancements in technology, the whole idea of freeing us up to do what?
	What is that?
	Fulfill our life's purpose.
	And for you, it's going to be unique and different than...
	That's true.
	Which is awesome.
	It's not weeding.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Every time we connect and we have this mutual admiration where I'm like, I'm amazed at the things you do just blows me away.
	And you say the same.
	Likewise, yeah.
	At the same time, this is our journey, our soul path.
	And we get to interact, which is the most awesome part of this is that
	We may recognize one another from other times and places, how you perceive that, but you've met people that you have this instant heart connection with, and it defies explanation.
	Okay, you can interpret it and define it how you want.
	I have a perspective on it, and I'm comfortable with that.
	It makes me happy that there's a soul group or groups that we have had a lot of journeys and experiences with, either in the other side or here before again.
	However, but you recognize these folks.
	And you also will meet people that you have this instant aversion to, just an energy that just revoltses you.
	Right. And you may have had interaction with them in a very negative context.
	The question is, at that point, do you take that energy and turn it back and continue a cycle?
	Because maybe it was something horrific between you two souls.
	And that's the opportunity we are given through grace and through faith
	Right, right.
	That's why I don't want to shoot people even in self-defense.
	You can avoid it.
	Because I don't want to create a karmic connection to this person.
	Sure.
	I don't want to be the one that takes their physical life here, right?
	Yeah.
	So, unless I feel for my safety...
	And I believe that there is a karmaless action in true defense, too.
	Right.
	You know, and if you're operating in a theater of war, if it were actually declared constitutionally...
	Right, that's a different context.
	Right, exactly.
	So, you know, this is the thing.
	I don't want people to be so pacifist that anybody can just come off and kill them.
	I want you to defend your life.
	And that's the weakness of the Buddhists, by the way.
	They're so passive that their temples have been overrun by the communist regime.
	Hey, by the way, let me ask my crew.
	Can we change...
	Let's end the fiery hell background, which I didn't even choose that.
	I don't know why that was chosen.
	Can we go to something more heavenly now?
	Just put on some clouds or something.
	Sunlight, okay?
	Let's do that, and we'll continue.
	The imagery is, yeah.
	We'll transition to a heavenly image next.
	Actually, what's funny, these are vibrations that somebody back there chose this color.
	Normally, these are purple.
	Look, we're challenging some dogma that can be very uncomfortable for folks that believe in the proverbial burn in hell forever concept versus the ability through grace and the love of Creator.
	and God that we can even, you know, doing the most vile things that perhaps if we have lived long enough or enough times, whatever, we might have
	Right, they haven't learned.
	God is constantly watching and judging us as he has judged many, many previous civilizations.
	And he expects us to mature as a species.
	And honestly, I don't see a lot of evidence that we are, Robert.
	It's a tough one right there.
	Yeah, because like Sodom and Gomorrah, which, by the way, God destroyed with giant flaming comets out of the sky.
	Or, you know, space rocks.
	Yeah, arguably, we're doing worse things than that on this planet right now.
	Clearly, clearly we are, on a larger scale.
	Yeah, are we to be condemned for the acts of those that are still engaged in what we call a spiritually immature incarnation?
	Many are, and then yet many are, making transformations like unpredictably wonderful and beautiful leaps that are occurring at the same time.
	Hey, real quick, by the way, is there anybody back there?
	I need the background changed.
	Change the background.
	Did you hear me request I want to change to clouds or sunlight?
	Thanks.
	Did you hear that?
	Negative.
	Nobody's even watching.
	Not even my own crew.
	It's funny.
	They dropped us in hell and said, go for it.
	This is the thing about talking about this topic, honestly, Mike.
	It is so challenging and threatening.
	Even though I don't think we're threatening anybody or challenging anybody.
	In reality, it's just a beautiful conversation about life and experience.
	Look, we've got clouds now.
	There we go.
	We've got happy clouds.
	Like nighttime clouds.
	That's interesting where we're going tonight.
	I still got to look at behind me, though.
	I know.
	You've got hell behind Robert over here.
	What's the...
	Robert gets sent to hell, but I'm going to the clouds?
	If you like meatloaf, it's like a bat out of hell, right?
	I'm coming at you.
	This looks like a nighttime cloud scene, doesn't it?
	It does.
	That's funny.
	Maybe we're going to vampires and zombie themes here.
	If I could say it's a threat, not because we're a conscious threat, but to talk about consciousness in this way.
	We've got your clouds.
	Look at that.
	I'm floating in space.
	This is awesome.
	We'll do a little Superman stuff.
	So now we've uplifted the conversation to the cloud level.
	But it could be cloud computing.
	Maybe you're computing in the cloud.
	Well, it comes to mind the fear that is associated with even having a discussion like this.
	Oh my gosh, that could be considered sacrilegious.
	You're threatening somebody's belief system.
	But again, we're in life in...
	There's no guarantee of safety.
	There's no guarantee that you're not offended.
	Going to talk radio, I learned that.
	You have to offend to survive.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And by the way, God didn't even stop Hitler.
	God didn't stop Stalin.
	God didn't stop Mao.
	Those are the big questions that caused me to go, what's really going on here?
	Don't tell me God's going to strike you down because you questioned something about a Bible verse.
	Yeah, and there may be times where it becomes so...
	Intolerably toxic that no life can live there.
	And I would say, use those analogies when we talk about the Superfund sites.
	What can live there?
	You have to evacuate.
	And maybe in a godly perspective, it gets so bad, like a Sodom and Gomorrah, they say, well, there's no hope for this at this point.
	Let's start over.
	I am ever hopeful and prayerful that that's not, you know, we're not on an apocalyptic course, or that even if we were, just the evidence that what happened with the four years that Trump...
	You know, was not president and all the COVID stuff happened.
	Oh, yeah.
	What a graceful event in the big scheme of things.
	We have charted leaps and bounds and years and light years beyond where we could have been had that not happened.
	You are correct.
	I mean, think about it.
	Like, the things that you and I have been teaching for decades before 2019 or 2020, it was considered crazy.
	And then by 2023, it was like, but of course.
	Of course, yeah.
	You know?
	Like, of course you can't trust.
	Fauci and the science.
	Of course, you can't trust the pharmaceutical industry.
	Of course, the vaccines are dangerous.
	But it's just like you said, it took COVID to wake people up to that.
	So then you could say, I mean, some people could say.
	COVID was part of God's plan to awaken people.
	I mean, I'm not saying that.
	I'm just saying I've heard people say that.
	Sure, and I don't claim to know that for sure, but I'm grateful that it happened, not because I'm celebrating the lives lost or the suffering that is occurring, but it is the greatest suffering that leads to the greatest transformation of consciousness.
	This is true.
	That's true in my own life.
	So what great suffering yet awaits for higher consciousness?
	Perhaps, yeah.
	And I think that we are given that grace where it comes back again, rest points in eternity.
	Through choice, you know, it's like, all right, these guys and gals, they've been working at it, and it looks like they need a rest.
	And the consciousness could slide back again, and then we end up in those places in order to be motivated once again.
	Because when things get very comfortable, you know, that's when often people say, you know, I don't need God, right?
	In the West, in America, most of us grew up with a house over, you know, a roof over our heads.
	We had food.
	You know, there, of course, are some homeless people, some by choice, in fact.
	That was a funny story.
	I wore a shirt last week in San Diego at the Autism Health Conference.
	Took a couple of Austrian friends to the beach there.
	And it said, you stay safe, I'll stay free.
	I love it.
	It's a gentle kind of poke.
	And we went into the co-op down there in San Diego and the people there were looking at me squirrely-eyed like, oh man, I don't like that.
	And then I went out to the beach with my Austrian friends and the homeless people on the beach were like, thumbs up!
	Because they chose freedom over safety.
	And it's a choice.
	And we forget that in so many of these things.
	Even, you know, we individually make a choice, but we're all part of this family, too.
	We're on a journey.
	To some degree, we're not that—no man is an island, yet also I don't claim responsibility for people making their own choices.
	Right.
	I will attempt to say, hey, maybe that choice might not be the best, but I'm not going to stand in your way and then take on their burden as well.
	That's where we talk about the karma-less action versus that which engages you and locks you down into a relationship that now you're going to have to pay for one day.
	I know you realize this because you've been speaking about it here, but I've come to find over the years that even though most people talk about wanting to be free, they choose to remain enslaved.
	And I found that this is really, it comes down to trusting and worshiping institutions of centralized control.
	It could be government, it could be science, it could be LGBT, climate cultism.
	Again, it could be a twisted...
	And there are some twisted mega church that really isn't interested in your salvation, but rather your donation.
	Right, and making you so comfortable in what I'd call great discomfort that you're unwilling to move beyond it.
	You become accustomed to that choice, per se.
	This is why when I learned some of these things early on before I got married and had kids, I'm like, you know, I was born into bondage.
	Now, I wasn't a slave on a plantation to my memory, right?
	If we talk about previous lifetimes.
	But in this contemporary setting in America, most people enjoyed perhaps more freedom than previous generations by far in a lot of ways.
	Oh, yeah.
	At the same time.
	And we walked to school when we were kids.
	Yeah, we walked to school.
	We stayed out all day.
	We're just all over town.
	Yeah.
	You know, it was normal.
	But in that context, too, the deep nuance of existence is that I realized we had been numbered.
	Like cattle in the 20th century, going back to the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, Social Security Act, all of that.
	And that most parents just unknowingly, just automatically assigned at birth in the hospital.
	Now with my kids, I'm like, you know what?
	I'm not doing that.
	They're not getting a Social Security number.
	We don't need a birth certificate, which is like you're being a vessel of the state, right?
	When you birth a ship on the Admiralty.
	These are the things I was learning.
	It was like crazy.
	I'm like, dude, I want to give my kids an opportunity to come to this planet.
	And be free and let them choose in consciousness if they want to enter into bondage.
	That's brilliant.
	And so, you know, you know my kids.
	Elijah's now 25. Still no Social Security number, no birth certificate.
	We fought the government, the State Department, and we have passports without those numbers.
	Really?
	Based on religious freedom.
	That's extraordinary.
	They tried to deny it, and we fought them.
	And, you know, based on religious freedom, they had to acquiesce.
	And they changed the website to reflect that, but they still haven't changed the printed form to show that.
	Until that happens, we're still battling.
	Interesting.
	So I said, you know, when you guys, and my daughter's 19, I said, when you're of age at 18, you get to choose.
	If you want an easier life, it's a lot easier to have that number and interact with everything, economically as such.
	But does it feel right?
	Does it feel right to you?
	Does it feel like my concern for you is that that's enslavement, and maybe it's okay for you.
	But this is the hard thing as a parent.
	You let go and let them, as adults, they're on their own journey too.
	But I'm very, if I say proud of my children at this point, that they've elected to stay free, even though it's not the easiest path.
	Well, but it's a very admirable path, and I'm really glad you brought that up, because I've always been frustrated that my Social Security number remains static.
	I think it should be earning interest.
	I think the number should be...
	Incrementing.
	Sure.
	Every once in a while.
	It's like new versions of yourself.
	It's an unconscionable contract.
	People say it's not a contract.
	It is.
	Whether you enter it or not, it's the only contract you can enter in as a minor.
	Yeah.
	Because you didn't sign a thing.
	As an adult, I guess you can argue you've entered into it, maybe hopefully knowingly, but most people, I think, I say most now, a lot of people are coming to this similar conclusion.
	And what about new moms and dads?
	New mom has a baby, and then the doctor practically kidnaps the child, seizes control, jab this, jab that, circumcise this, slice that, inject this, and most moms just sit there and go, must be okay because the doctor's doing it.
	It's like, what?
	The human state of consciousness often is seeking authority or authoritarian rule, even though they won't want to say it's authoritarian.
	We have been bred and programmed over Millennia, centuries, to believe in authority.
	And this is where the church has fallen down, although I acknowledge that in a lot of the biblical connectivity to words, they do say agency.
	and the personal relationship to get your guidance or your own prophecy in a sense.
	So they pay lip service to it, whether people actually pay attention
	I don't know.
	This is controversial.
	I don't even know God wants us to be subservient in that way that we don't engage in the gift of choice and agency.
	The freedom to experience things, I think, for the benefit of God in that sense.
	And that, of course, I would argue is a loving thing and one that would not be harmful or in any way denigrating to.
	I don't buy what Paul said about being obedient to Rome and all that stuff, by the way.
	Yeah, it's misunderstood at the very least.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely misunderstood.
	Of course, I pissed off a whole other group of Christians by questioning Paul.
	I'm like, Paul's not Christ, man.
	And also, again, who's interpreting it?
	Yeah, and how many translations have happened that are not adhering to the original, sometimes Hebrew, sometimes Greek, Latin, whatever.
	Aramaic, how far you want to go.
	Yeah, exactly, how far you want to go back.
	Sanskrit, yeah, we can do it.
	Oh, I had the funniest conversation I had, but I want to play a new music video for you.
	Okay, cool.
	It literally just got finished today.
	But you're going to love it.
	We'll do that in a second.
	But the funniest conversation I had was when I was talking about how I believe that the seven trumpets are describing seven comet impact events.
	And I had a Christian say, God would never destroy the world to defeat evil.
	And I'm like, the flood?
	There's some evidence in the past, things like that.
	Sodom and Gomorrah?
	The plagues?
	I mean, have you read?
	It's so funny.
	And that's what caused me to tweet.
	I said, the hardest thing in the world is to convince a Christian of what's written in the Bible.
	It's so bizarre, man.
	For me, I can appreciate discussions of theology and philosophy, and I can dig it.
	But because I'm not attached to it, it's when you're attached to it, it becomes very harmful to yourself.
	Because it's like, you don't need to defend God.
	That's true.
	If you want to defend your belief, that's fine, but I don't perceive us as attacking beliefs as opposed to just, these are experiences, these are interpretations we've read, you've read, and it might be different.
	We're exploring.
	Yeah, we're exploring, and I've said, if you drill down on any church, synagogue, temple, mosque, enough questions of each individual there, you're going to find not just subtle differences, radical differences in beliefs within that one place.
	Yes, that's true.
	What are you going to do then?
	And self-contradictory beliefs, which is where I go back to say that, Whatever you believe, it should be internally consistent.
	Like I said, at least the flat earth people, they have developed an internally consistent story about why the earth...
	So again, I disagree with the conclusion, but I admire the fact that they're willing to develop a system that kind of...
	Again, it's consistent, but some level of consistency is good.
	Right, right.
	Yes.
	All right, so I've got a song, actually in a music video.
	Now, what I'm going to do is we'll play it for the audience on top of me playing it for you.
	Sure.
	So they'll have the actual video.
	But this is, you're going to love this.
	All right.
	I mean, this, you're going to think I wrote this for you.
	It's called All Our Dreams Come True.
	Okay.
	All right, and this is a song I wrote.
	The music video just got finished, so.
	Here we go.
	Nice. If we could comply our way to freedom, then we could bomb our way to peace.
	We could print our way to riches, give away everything for free.
	If we could tax our way to liberty and lie our way to truth, then tyrants in big government
	Would make all our dreams come true A farmer in Montana forced to cull his chicken flocks A team of federal agents wielding rifles,
	shields and glocks A restaurant owner in deep South Dakota told to shut it down It seems that government inspectors didn't like who he elected downtown A cafe serving breakfast in Austin,
	Texas was raided by the FDA They didn't like the owner serving raw milk or farm-fresh chicken eggs A single mom in Memphis has been relentless schooling her autistic son But the medical state tried to take him away So
	they knocked down his door and arrested the guy.
	A disabled homeowner, an American voter, was handed a steep fine.
	She tried to grow tomatoes on her patio, so the city shredded her vines.
	A hospital worker and a proud New Yorker lost her job today.
	So they said they had to take her license away An Oregon rancher was arrested for capturing water Falling from the sky They threw him in jail for a water crime And let his
	crops run dry We can send our way to spiritual salvation
	can't cheat our way to a democratic nation Things of value must be earned, I pray for you
	This lesson can be learned Let freedom bless our future generations We can't comply our way to freedom We can't bomb our way to peace We can't
	print our way to riches Because freedom isn't free We can't tax our way to liberty We can't lie our way to truth It's time to slash big government
	To make all our dreams come true Shutting down big government Can make all our dreams come true Coming true All our dreams
	come true Pairing down big government Can make all our dreams come true Coming true All our dreams
	come true Pairing down big government Can make all our dreams come true
	you.
	That is so good.
	There you go.
	Did you hear the one we sent you from Super Don, the Poison Lies in the Sky?
	I did.
	I loved it.
	Dude, that was such a hook.
	I mean, my wife's still singing.
	It's like that you know when a song repeats.
	It's kind of fun.
	See, and this is what I love about AI is that combined with the human spirit, human expression, you can now create a very compelling message.
	Like every clip in this video is AI generated.
	It's amazing.
	Yeah, powerful.
	It did a good job on the chickens, even.
	I was impressed.
	It did the chickens better than the humans, actually.
	Yeah, chicken lips are easier, I think.
	Yeah.
	But that message is...
	This is a critical message that I think our leaders need to hear.
	You can't bomb your way to peace.
	You can't print your way to riches.
	All these things.
	You can't lie your way to truth.
	And it seems like we're living in a time...
	That our leaders think everything can be artificially created.
	And you can't.
	You have to earn it.
	Yeah, well, that's the concept of the shortcut.
	Also, the concept of making people, let's say, passive, once again, in a sense that you don't have any power.
	There's no power now.
	When we talk about power in a political sense, I think it's a pale reflection of what I would say my desire and goal, and many people are coming to that.
	It's a spiritual essence or power, which is, again, we come back to love.
	And we seek power to replace that which we haven't really developed fully, our relationship to the divine.
	But it's that schooling ground that we've been given this opportunity to really screw up heartably.
	Once again, not to endorse or embrace the evil that exists, but God laid it out for, I believe, a purpose, an important purpose for us to mature.
	Well, I...
	I agree.
	I mean, that's a really important point.
	And this is also...
	I mentioned earlier, like, God didn't stop Hitler.
	Why not?
	Because this isn't God's playground.
	This is our training ground.
	And God is largely hands-off after he gives you the gift of life, at least this is my belief, gives you the gift of life, gives you guidance, obviously, and then, like...
	What are you going to do with it?
	It's up to you.
	And it's not because God doesn't care or doesn't love, because we look at that as like, why do these evil bad things happen?
	It's because of that love for us.
	That here you go.
	This is your opportunity to create, co-create, whatever you want to say, the wildest experience with the desire, I think, ultimately, to find that.
	Greater purpose is service and love.
	That's right.
	And it's not destruction and denigration and all the things that we then misplace or misappropriate, whatever it is, when we're looking for it and we say, well, let's try this.
	Let's try this.
	How many times do you have to try?
	I don't know.
	It could be a million and a million.
	I don't know.
	I'm just saying that my experience is such that why is it that I made choices to not do certain things and clearly repulsive, but not repulsive to everybody?
	Things that I saw.
	I have a sense that I may have experienced this before because there's not even the slightest bit interest or intrigue in those areas.
	And this is not a judgment I'm making.
	I'm just saying from my experience, I started assessing this and going, gosh.
	But then there are other things I'm really drawn to.
	Why is that?
	What is it about our journey and the opportunity to explore the widest array of experiences?
	I think this planet is one that...
	Souls in creation desire to be on, probably lining up to get here.
	Really?
	You think so?
	I think so, because it's the place where you can have the most opportunity for spiritual advancement than anywhere else I know.
	This is like the Black Diamond ski slope version of reality.
	Yeah, and I think about, you know, one of the things I learned, you know, growing up as an American and then having a deep spiritual bent that wasn't met by my orthodox upbringing, in a sense, was this...
	Wanting to rely on that something greater, not because I wanted to be lazy about it, but to recognize there are things I don't have control over.
	And that's okay.
	I don't need to obsess over that control.
	That would lead me to want to control others.
	And I'm like, that's a disaster.
	I don't know.
	I look at you and I say, I don't know how you run this business with all these people.
	Not that you're trying to control them, but the point is...
	Man, I have a hard enough time being responsible for myself and my family.
	That's amazing to me.
	At the same time, in this journey, this place, this planet, there's a wide variety of experiences.
	The widest probably anywhere that you could ever see.
	When I went to West Africa twice on some spiritual journeys of service, and I saw people that every day they'd wake up, they didn't have necessarily a reasonable explanation that they would live through the day.
	Not because they were necessarily sick or chronically ill like we are, but because Life is different.
	You know, the rules that we expect.
	People aren't going to run red lights.
	You don't have a roving, marauding band of machete-wielding people at any point that can just come up and cut you up.
	Have you been to downtown Austin?
	Okay, I haven't been there yet, so I'm going to be aware of that.
	But the general expectation is such that we've been able to explore a lot of interesting things, too, and create a lot of it.
	Some may say that's horrible, but it exists.
	But there...
	I saw people that had to have an absolute reliance on divine spirit, Christ, or whatever you want to say, in every moment, in every waking moment.
	And it gave me such an appreciation for how easy we have it in the West and how the downturns, economic challenges, other things that we're going through are actually a gift.
	Not that I'm wishing upon suffering, but the point is, you find no atheist in a foxhole, that concept.
	Right.
	Well, and if this is the testing ground...
	The hardest of the hard, the most difficult testing ground, then obviously you're never going to know your true spirit if you don't face incredible obstacles.
	And I think, I completely agree, that's a lot of what's going on here.
	I also believe this realm is truly dominated by Satanism.
	And that we are dropped behind enemy lines, right?
	And I also think, for example, Secretary Kennedy has been dropped into enemy lines in HHS.
	He knew what he was getting into, too.
	I don't think he was naive about it.
	And that's all to his credit, that he's willing to go a place where I would, like, anytime I'm near D.C., I need a Brillo pad to wash off the energy.
	I can't even stand it.
	No.
	But we're in the same boat, in essence.
	And so, you know, it's easy to criticize Secretary Kennedy and say, how come we not get anything done?
	Right.
	But look at ourselves.
	How come we're not getting enough done either?
	Where are the reforms in our own lives?
	Where's our own spiritual reforms?
	And by the way, I don't think, I mean, of course this is going to be controversial, but I don't think that God or Jesus wants us to love evil.
	Which means we're not supposed to love everybody.
	We're supposed to have discernment.
	Love those.
	Try to share love.
	Try to engender.
	Truth and love and end human suffering.
	But we're also supposed to be, I believe, spiritual warriors.
	You're not supposed to love Satanists, child molesters, pedophiles, mutilators.
	You're supposed to stop them.
	I mean, that's my belief.
	If it doesn't disgust you, you haven't, I think, matured spiritually enough to this point.
	You might engage in that.
	Yeah, the word detachment, it's a difficult word to really dive deep into because some people say, you're detached, you don't care.
	Well, God's love for us is very detached in the sense that he gave this planet Earth.
	He's not micromanaging our lives.
	Right, he's like, have at it.
	And yeah, there's some brutal ugly things.
	Now, again, we come back to, sorry, two months and you're out.
	Never sat well with me.
	There was something about that.
	That's why the discussion comes up.
	But how we interpret it may be different, which is fine.
	But the loving God that I believe exists, that the orthodoxy couldn't answer the question, was, oh no, this is for that purpose.
	The suffering is to purify us, to get us to choose God, not be frightened into choosing God, but by finding the value in it that's more valuable than anything we would find, even the gold and silver that I value, both medicinally and as money.
	Oh, we forgot to talk about that.
	I know.
	There's so much.
	We can keep going, though.
	I don't mind.
	It's up to you.
	You still have time?
	I do.
	Let's pivot, because we've been talking about philosophy and consciousness and religion this whole time, but you wanted to talk about these metals and cancer.
	All right, Mike Adams jumping in here.
	This interview with Robert Scott Bell, which I thoroughly enjoyed, it's quite lengthy, so I have divided it into two parts.
	And in the second part, which will air soon...
	We talk about silver nanoparticles, gold nanoparticles, copper, and the use of these noble metals for health and healing.
	We talk about homeopathy even more.
	We talk more about consciousness and so on.
	But we start with metals and detox and health protocols and things like that.
	So you'll want to stay tuned for part two.
	I hope you enjoyed part one.
	It's a very free-thinking conversation.
	Open-minded?
	I mean...
	Christianity and resurrection in the same conversation.
	Hey, you don't hear that every day.
	So we had a blast, and I love Robert Scott Bell.
	He's just such a brilliant mind, such a wonderful person.
	And I hope you enjoyed this interview.
	There's a lot more coming, so thank you for listening.
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