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April 15, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Beyond the veil: Gregg Braden joins Mike Adams for mind-expanding discussion on consciousness...
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Welcome to today's interview here on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon, and today we have a very special guest, someone whose work I have followed for many years, probably 20 years, and yet somehow we've never had him on, and it's long overdue, and he has a very important message for humanity.
It's Greg Brayden.
His website is gregbrayden.com, and there's two G's in the Greg, so don't forget the two G's.
So gregbrayden.com, and welcome, Mr. Brayden.
It's an honor, sir, to have you on today.
Mike, I am so excited to be with you today.
Thank you for those two G's.
You know, my mother did that intentionally because it means it's not a Gregory.
One G's a Gregory, two G's plain old Greg.
Got it.
That's what I am.
And, you know, I'm a huge fan and supporter of your work.
I have been for years, Mike, and I'm not sure why we've never done this before, and I'm honored to be with you today for the first time.
You know, our mutual friend at the Arlington Institute for really connecting us because he was here in studio.
And then he mentioned that you're a regular guest doing all kinds of sessions there with the Arlington Institute.
And so that's what brought us together.
It's perfect timing.
Well, we'll give our love and gratitude to John Peterson then from the Arlington Institute.
I watched the interview that you did with him.
Oh, great.
It was a beautiful interview.
I always learn something when I listen to you, and I always learn something when I listen to John.
So it was a very educational interview that I listened to as well.
Well, it's very interesting.
I mean, thank you so much for saying that, and I've watched countless numbers of your presentations over the years.
And let's actually begin with this common bridge with John Peterson.
At brightown.ai, the only free open-source AI that I believe is trained on pro-human material.
So it's this weird coincidence of machines being able to answer questions from a pro-human point of view.
And a lot of it, there's a lot of spirituality in it.
There's a lot of consciousness.
There's a lot of work about morphic resonance, right?
Things like that in the engine.
And no doubt some of your work is in there from transcripts of your conversations as well.
So you've influenced an AI engine that's about to be released free to the world.
So thank you.
Well, I'm honored.
And I think now is the time.
When John told me about your project, I was really excited to hear what you were doing.
And of course, John has devoted a tremendous amount of time and energy to digitally Greg Brayden
.com, like I said, with two G's.
Now, Greg, beginning here...
We're coming together on a day that, for me personally, is emotionally difficult because I feel really let down by a lot of humanity.
And I'm not asking you to be my counselor or anything, but you have a book that appears to give new hope to humanity.
It's called Pure Human.
Here are some of your books on Amazon.
And I'm seeing this divergence.
I'm seeing some people become really awake, really aware, The nature of consciousness and the reality.
And then I'm seeing this other group of people fall off and become less human and abandoning everything that makes us human.
Are you seeing that, or what are your comments on that?
Well, I'm absolutely seeing it, Mike.
And I want to honor our time together here, and I want to do a good job.
With your permission, I'd like to lay a foundation that we can tie into for every portion of this conversation for the time we have together.
That I think addresses the divergence that you're seeing right now.
And it's all about how deep you want to go.
So I'm going to ask you, Mike, how deep you want to go in this conversation?
Well, whatever we can explore in the hour that we have, go as deep as you'd like.
Well, the reason that I wrote this book, the book is entitled Pure Human.
The best minds of our time are telling us that unless we change the trajectory that we are on right now, And the thinking underlying that trajectory that we most probably are the last generation of pure humans.
That the world, this world, and presumably we're not living in another world right now, so we are the last generation of pure humans that the universe will ever know.
I have very strong feelings about that.
I believe that we are worth preserving for a whole lot of reasons.
So I wrote this book, Mike, and the book has two parallel themes, and those themes provide the context for everything we're seeing in the world today.
So many people come up to me, and I'm sure they do with you as well, live events, walking through an airport terminal at a grocery store, and they say, Greg, isn't it interesting how all of these things are happening in the world at the same time?
What a coincidence.
That all of these big changes are converging in our time right now.
Well, it's not a coincidence.
And there's something missing in our story, Mike, and that's what I want to get to here.
We are rarely told that we are in the midst of a process.
That process has a beginning.
It has an end.
We're in it.
The only way out of it is to go through it.
And the book addresses two facets of that process.
Number one, there is a concerted effort To replace our humanness, our very biology with machines and technology.
And that's no secret.
I mean, we see it happening.
We see it at just the tip of the iceberg we see happening in public and mainstream.
So when I talk about technology in the human body, I'm talking about computer chips in the brain, chemicals in the blood, RFID chips under the skin, nanosensors in the circulatory system, respiratory system.
It goes on and on.
A concerted effort to replace our biology on the one hand, and on the other hand, in the other part of the book, is the best science of the modern world.
The new discoveries are telling us, and this is a mind-blower, what I'm going to say.
The new discoveries are telling us that in many cases, our own natural biology not only meets, but it exceeds the capacity of the technology that we're being asked to accept into our bodies.
That's a message very few people are receiving.
I'm sorry to interrupt, but I really resonate with that.
And I've said many times to people that the greatest neural network computer in the universe is in your skull.
And the greatest nanotechnology in existence is already built into your immune system.
And you have this innate wisdom.
Your body has this wisdom.
And the thing is, you don't need to know how it works.
You don't have to tear it apart and know all the pieces.
You just have to allow it to work and give it the resources it needs, right?
Well, this is the beauty of who we are.
And again, we could do many hours on this conversation, you and I together, based on what I've seen of your work, your conversations in the past, the books you've written, and where I am right now.
The evidence, the best science of the modern world, and the evidence is telling us, first of all, that we are not what we've been told.
We're so much more than...
Probably more than we've even allowed ourselves to imagine that we could possibly be.
We know that our species, the first of our species, appeared on this earth mysteriously.
We emerged about 200,000 years ago.
That's not that long, about 10,000 generations.
We've been here, and we are the product of an intentional intervention of some kind.
And we have to say that, Mike, because the genetic mutations That give us our humanness, that give us our ability for empathy, sympathy, compassion, love, forgiveness, the ability to self-regulate our own biology at will,
on demand.
Those abilities are the result of mysterious genetic processes, fusions of pre-existing chromosomes, the silencing of some genes, the removal of some, the addition of others.
And they did not happen slowly, gradually over a long period of time.
Science is showing us chromosome number two, human chromosome two, for me is a smoking gun.
It is a fusion of two pre-existing chromosomes that give us our neocortex, where so much of our human capacities come from.
Chromosome seven, for 175 million years, it was stable for all primates.
All of a sudden, there was a little, just this little tweak.
Of a gene, a switch of two genes that connects our brain and our tongue and our jaw in just the right way so that we can have complex speech and sing.
You know, we share 98 to 99% of our DNA with a chimpanzee.
I'm a musician when I'm not doing this, and I'll tell you as a musician, I've never seen a chimpanzee sing Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven.
And I seriously ask that question.
Why is that?
When we have so much in common, and the reason is because of chromosome 2. And the kicker is all of these mutations occurred pretty much in the same period of time.
Quickly, they did not occur slowly, gradually over a long period of time.
So the very essence of who we are appears, and scientists know this, they say these mutations cannot happen under natural conditions, and they have to stop there.
Because it opens the door to a conversation that many scientists prefer not to have, and they believe science is not equipped to have.
And that is a conversation of some kind of intelligent intervention.
So I'm going to stop that part of the conversation there and just say we appear to be a highly advanced, technologically sophisticated, soft technology.
Not a hard...
Primitive technology like computer chips and chemicals and wires.
We're more than that.
We're neurons.
We are cell membranes.
We are ion potentials moving across cell walls.
And you nailed it, Mike, just now when you said that we have the ability.
One of the hallmarks of an advanced technology is the more complex it is behind the scenes, the simpler the user interface.
And this is what you said.
We don't need To understand how everything works, our user interface is the core of our most ancient and cherished spiritual traditions, not religions, because the religions came along later and wrapped the rules and the dogma around pre-existing spiritual understandings that have been with us for a long time.
So our user interface, what is that?
Thought, feeling, emotion, breath, focus, movement, and nutrition.
And it is the combination.
Of those interfaces that we now call epigenetic triggers, that gives us the ability to transcend in a healthy way whatever life brings to our doorstep.
That is the ability that is being denied by replacing our natural biology with technology.
The tech cannot do what we do through our natural biology.
And when we replace the biology, our natural biology actually –
Technology in the human body, the natural systems begin to atrophy, and we lose the very essence of our humanness.
Well, I love the way that you're describing this.
And now I immediately, I need to get your book, Pure Human, and go through it.
I love the way you're describing this.
It makes so much sense.
Now, this technology attempt to replace what we have innately, this is a theme that I've...
Talked about as well.
And let me give our audience an example of what this sounds like.
We see AI companies saying, hey, we have to have funding for AI because AI will be able to create a little tiny machine that will go through your blood and it will seek out cancer cells and it will kill those cancer cells.
And I'm thinking...
We already have that machine.
We already have it, yeah.
It's already there, and we don't need AI.
You've got to eat some celery and some broccoli.
But what I really want to ask you, I mean, so we both agree, technology is trying to give us a new God to worship instead of understanding the innate power that we were granted by whoever or whatever created us,
right? And here's the question.
Has our knowledge of our capabilities been deliberately suppressed for centuries?
This is why I asked you how deep you want to go with this, because there's a missing piece, and let me just identify that missing piece.
I'm a scientist.
I'm a degree scientist.
I'm a geologist by degree, a strong background in life sciences, math, physics, computer science.
I was trained as a systems thinker.
What that means is, for me, I have been compelled through over 70 years of my life to look at the big picture to see what's driving not just the changes in the world, but the changes in my own life.
I have to understand that for myself.
And then forget about the big picture, zero in on the nanosecond of my life, and how I can be the best version of myself, knowing what it means to that big picture.
So here's the big picture.
Here's the missing piece.
What I'm going to share, I've lost friendships by having this conversation.
We've lost business by having this conversation.
It's uncomfortable for some people, and I think it's necessary, Mike.
And I want to preface it by saying this isn't a religious conversation, but it is a deeply spiritual conversation.
There is a strong body of evidence to support, not just suggest, to support that we are...
We are immersed in an ancient struggle between two forces.
In the old text, they call them light and dark, good and evil, is the way it's commonly put today.
And, you know, when I was a kid, growing up in the 1950s, 60s, in the Midwest, I was born in northern Missouri, a rural area in northern Missouri.
We used to talk about good and evil, but it was a joke, you know, a little red devil on your shoulder with a pointy tail and...
You know, spike horns and an angel on the other's shoulder, and they were always going back and forth.
Evil is a very real force.
This isn't a metaphor.
And it has many faces.
There is psychological evil in the algorithms that divide us from our own families and from our communities and lead us to hate one another.
That is an expression of evil.
Certainly, there's kinetic evil.
It plays out on the battlefields of Gaza or Ukraine.
We all know about that.
There's technological evil.
And that's what we're talking about right now.
The purpose of the evil, this may be the most important thing that we can offer today, to bring it from something nebulous to something rock-solid and concrete.
What is the purpose of the evil in this world?
It is to deny our humanness, our human potential.
Now, the word that is used for that is human divinity.
But that word has been hijacked.
Divinity actually has nothing to do with religion, although it is linked to religions.
There are schools of divinity that make that connection.
But the contemporary definition, people can look this up.
The definition of divinity is the ability to transcend perceived limitations.
And that's it.
So to transcend, let's just break it down.
Transcend means to become more than.
Perceived. Means that we most probably are living limits that aren't even real.
They're not even ours.
We have been indoctrinated, coerced to accept these.
So now this is where the rubber meets the road.
We came into this world as a product of an intentional act, some kind of an intervention.
We were given the ability to transcend whatever it is that life brings to our doorstep in a healthy way and do it in a healthy way.
This is across the board, not just physiologically, but emotionally, mentally, spiritually, psychologically.
And the goal of evil is to deny our divinity.
So expressions of divinity, we've already talked about.
The ability to imagine.
That is an expression of human divinity.
To create, to innovate, to love, to forgive.
Empathy, sympathy, compassion.
The ability to heal.
How can we possibly?
Heal our bodies if we don't even accept the possibility of our own healing.
So the goal of the evil is to deny human divinity, to deny us from being the best version of ourselves.
This is why the transhuman movement, and this is why the introduction of tech into the body, I believe is so concerning and problematic, is because it denies us the very essence of what it means to be human.
To the point where in one generation, those abilities begin to atrophy.
Through epigenetics passed on next generation, pretty soon, we lose the ability to do things that we've always been able to do.
A perfect example is the immune system.
I'm just going to back off.
Let me give a beautiful one example, and it'll apply to everything.
And it's kind of funny.
When I was a kid, back 50s and 60s, We were taught that we had a fixed number of brain cells.
That when we come into this world, you have X number of brain cells.
And every beer you drink is what I was told when I was in college.
Every glass of wine, you're losing brain cells.
Well, now we know that isn't true.
This doesn't justify the beer and the wine.
I'm not saying that.
What we know is there's a part of the brain, the hippocampus.
Mike, we're producing new brain cells until the last breath we take.
Of our lives in this world.
But there is a catch.
And the catch is this.
If those cells are not engaged in a meaningful way within about a week, about five to seven days, they will atrophy and they will die because of the way we work.
We are a biological system based on use it or lose it.
So if they're not engaged, the body says, oh, you know, you don't need me.
And those cells then will atrophy and die.
That principle applies to every facet of the human body, reproductive system, the immune system, everything in our bodies.
This is why it's dangerous to replace our natural biology with synthetics and technology, because we're sending the signal to our individual and collective genetics that we're not needed anymore.
That's how you lose a species.
That's what I wanted to say in the book.
Okay, that's really fascinating.
And yes, I was aware that the hippocampus continues to engage in neurogenerative behavior, and you have to exercise.
That's really critical.
A lot of people think that, because we've been told this, this is one of the big lies of aging, is that as you age, you naturally lose brain activity, or you naturally lose immune function.
I don't know about you, Greg, but I'm in my mid-50s.
I have never been cognitively more capable in my life than now.
In fact, I'm thinking in my 20s, when I was at university in the Midwest, my brain then was functioning at nothing compared to how it functions now.
It's self-evident, and I think that's true among many people who continue to exercise their brains and who don't watch TV.
But that leads me to my next question.
I want to show you something, Greg.
I did a book a few years ago.
It's just a free e-book called The Contagious Mind.
And I'm just showing you here on the screen.
And this book just talks about how your brain, your neural network, is both broadcasting and receiving.
It's sharing information, and it's also tuned in to receive information.
You know, 100th Monkey Concept and all these things.
You've spoken about a lot of this.
The technology, if the technology comes in and replaces the cosmic internet, which is the contagious mind, the difference is that, well, corporations and governments can spy on the technology, but they can't spy on your mind.
They don't yet have the ability to do that.
So surveillance is not possible when we are being fully human and expressing our consciousness and our minds and sharing information.
We cannot be surveilled.
Go ahead.
Well, this is the whole point of when we give our humanness away.
First of all, this is being marketed in a way...
I know it's happening and I'm still impressed.
The marketing is so slick and so sexy.
We have multiple generations now of young people who have been...
We're indoctrinated to believe that they are a flawed form of life.
This is what is taught.
It's what I was taught, and it's what's being taught.
When I do live events, I often have multi-generational families.
So it would be the grandparents, the parents, and the kids.
And the kids are younger, obviously.
They're usually early in high school.
And what they're being told is they are a flawed form of life.
That they need something outside of themselves to be the best version of themselves, but that's okay because they have that something.
So they're being conditioned to be victims, and as a victim, you need a savior.
The savior is technology.
That's right.
So this is where young people are being taught to worship AI, taught to worship the computer chip.
So I have some studies.
We just did this two weeks ago in a live event here.
I'm coming to you from a studio.
In a rural area in northern New Mexico.
Oh, okay.
We did a beautiful event on native land here.
People from 23 countries that were here about two weeks ago.
And we have a lot of young people, which is good.
I'm happy to see some young people in the audience.
So I showed them a couple of studies.
One of these was done by the Salk Institute in Northern California.
Actually, both were done by the Salk Institute in conjunction with the universities.
They compared the human brain to a microprocessor.
Now, when I first saw that, I said, man, you know, how are you going to make that comparison?
Well, this is fascinating because they equate the synapse between neurons in the human brain, the place where the spark jumps from one cell to another.
They equate those synapses to the transistors on a microprocessor.
And interestingly, I mean, you can't make this stuff up.
We have about the same number of synapses in the average human brain that we have in the most advanced microprocessors that we have today.
So that's how they're doing the comparison.
Very complex study.
I'll just cut to the chase.
Bottom line, the human brain is 100-fold more efficient than those microprocessors are.
And here's the reason.
Because the microprocessors, are they fast?
Yes. Are they efficient?
Yes. Are they scalable?
And the answer is that the microprocessor, the chip, will always be limited by the physics of the stuff the chip is made of.
So the information can only, if it's silicon, if you look at a silicon atom, the information can only move across silicon atoms so fast.
And we're actually reaching those limits now.
It's called Moore's Law.
We're reaching the limits of processing capability.
Now, so is it fast?
Yes. Efficient?
Yes. Scalable?
No. Only up to a point.
Look at the human brain.
This is a mind blower here.
Are we fast efficient?
Yes. Are we scalable?
What is the top end of a human brain in terms of processing?
And the answer is we don't know because we are so sophisticated.
Every time we reach what we believed was a limit in the past, we do what we are made to do.
We morph and adapt to the conditions of that new limit and open up an entire new spectrum of processing.
You know, Tibetan monks were the first to demonstrate this.
We used to believe that 40 cycles per second, 40 hertz, was the top end of human brain processing.
It was on textbooks, medical books, and all of that.
And the monks came in and they said,"Well, you know, if we do a certain kind of meditation, we can exceed that." And they bumped it up to 80 hertz, and the scientists said,"Okay, maybe we were wrong, but the brain can't possibly." Human tissue cannot possibly sustain frequencies any higher than 80 hertz.
And the monks said, well, you know, if we do a different kind of meditation, they bumped it up to 100 cycles per second, had to have a new brain state called the gamma brain state.
Then they did it again, 120, 40, 60, 80, 200 cycles per second, hyper gamma brain state.
But then they did something that had never been done.
They went to the other end of the spectrum.
And they said, we can slow our brain state to less than one cycle per second, less than one hertz.
Wow. In the past, when we have seen that with someone in the hospital, we give up on them.
We say they're not there.
These monks are very awake, they're very conscious, and they have consciously slipped into a brain state that allows that.
It's called the epsilon brain state.
So the point is, we don't know what the upper end is of our...
We are processing right now because of the way we're designed.
But, you know, Mike, it doesn't stop there.
Every cell in the human body is a microcircuit, not a metaphor.
It literally is a gated circuit, input, output.
The components within the cell are the equivalents of transistors, resistors, capacitors.
Every cell produces a small electrical charge, about 0.07 volts per cell.
Not much, but you do the math.
50 trillion cells.
I've done this a few times.
It's about 3.5 trillion volts of electrical potential.
Now, what would it mean if we can harness that and apply it to our immune response or our deep states of intuition?
But it doesn't stop there because every cell emits photons of light, receives photons of light.
Light is information.
So we're in communication with the world around us.
And every cell...
I mean, it goes on and on and on.
And this is the beauty, because we self-regulate through those triggers: thought, feeling, emotion, breath, nutrition, movement, focus.
And that's what sets us apart from all over life.
And that's what we stand to lose if we give ourselves away to the technology.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And if we de-emphasize what we are and try to rely just on a Neuralink implant, for example.
So you hit upon so many interesting things.
Number one, let me back up what you said about the voltage of our cells.
So even in mainstream science, and I run a science lab, I'm a published scientist in mass spectrometry, and we talk about voltage-gated calcium channels for cell membranes, right?
I mean, you've done so much speaking on cell membranes, you know this, but just for our audience, if you change the voltage potential around the cell, you open up or close down selective channels for the absorption of certain minerals.
It could be calcium, it could be zinc.
You've heard of zinc ionophores being opened up with quercetin.
Well, 5G exposure alters the voltage potential across your cell membranes, and it causes toxicity of calcium into the inner cell.
And so that's called the voltage-gated calcium channel.
The other thing you said, Greg, is that our cells emit photons of light.
You're absolutely correct about that.
Many mainstream scientists are completely unaware of this.
They think that only the eyes receive light.
That's not true.
We receive light everywhere, and we process light.
And think about it, Greg, how the entire computing industry is trying to develop light microprocessors.
I think China's leading the way on that right now.
They have some prototypes.
The light microprocessors, they produce a fraction of the heat, a fraction of the energy.
They're just beginning that, but we were born with it.
Well, there's so many paths we can follow here.
There's an emerging view, a philosophical view of our world, that was shared with me through a native man here in northern New Mexico.
When I met him, he said to me, Very clearly.
He said there was a time that people lived very differently.
They were close to the earth.
They knew who they were.
And they understood their power.
And he said something happened.
And even he said the elders don't know precisely why.
He said, but we got lost.
And we began to forget who we are.
And this is where it gets interesting.
He said we so longed for the abilities and the connections that we knew that we had in the past.
That we began to build machines outside of us that remind us of what we already are in here.
And we will continue to clutter the world around us until we recognize that we're actually mimicking in the external technology what we already are.
Then we let that go.
Our lives become much simpler, although we are a higher consciousness is essentially what he's talking about.
I was a senior computer systems designer for a company called Martin Marietta Defense Systems during the Cold War years.
And I've worked in high tech behind the scenes with security clearances.
I've seen the most advanced tech, at least in the 80s, and who knows where it all is now.
And what I can say is, as advanced as that tech was and as impressive as it is, Mike, I have yet to see any technology.
Built in the world around us that does not mimic in principle what we already do in our bodies, except we do it better.
Good point.
And the scientists are struggling to mimic.
A vaccine mimics what our bodies already do, except we do it better.
That's a perfect example.
I want to add, too, that the neural network computation that is happening in your body, and as you know, you have neurology all throughout.
Physically, the second brain, in the gut, etc.
You actually have computational systems throughout your body, right?
And even the skin, the surface of the skin, everything, and some would argue even fields right outside your body as well, are information fields.
And information is engaged in computation constantly.
Now, here's the thing I want to point out to people.
You get answers without even having to ask the question.
Greg, I've been doing a lot of prompt engineering of the AI systems, right?
I'm an expert now in prompt engineering just from testing our own AI.
You have to ask the question first, and then the system generates the answer using an enormous amount of energy, right?
In your body, in your mind, you have something called intuition.
You don't even have to ask the question.
Your body has done the math.
Your neurology has engaged in the computation, it's taken in the input, it's processed it, and it's given you, it's bubbled up a feeling, which is like either positive, negative, whatever.
But isn't that actually what's going on?
You are a computational miracle.
It's precisely what's going on.
I didn't know where we were going to go with this, so I'm going to do this from memory.
There was a study, a peer-reviewed study.
It was released at the Journal of Complementary and Alternative Medicine.
In the late 2000s, that's how far back it was.
And the concluding statement, I'm going to cut to the chase.
The concluding statement, and I'm doing this from memory, it says, there's compelling evidence to suggest that the physical heart is coupled to a field.
Of information that is not bound by the laws of time and space.
So what this is saying, and now, so it was 1991, Discovery was made.
It wasn't published in the tech journals until'94 of 40,000, approximately 40,000 specialized cells in the human heart that are essentially neurons.
They're sensory neurites is what they're called.
It's not that they just appeared.
When they say discovered, I have to laugh.
They've always been there.
Nobody ever thought to look.
Why would you look for neurons that we are accustomed to thinking about in the brain?
Why would you look for that in the heart?
But when they found these 40,000 sensory neurites, what they found is we have a very sophisticated neural network in the heart that is independent of the cranial network in the brain that thinks.
Feels, remembers, senses, processes, and heals.
Absolutely. Independently of the brain, what that says, this neural network is linked to a field.
I mean, this is just an astounding thing for a peer-reviewed journal, scientific journal to say, linked to a field of information that's not bound by the laws of physics.
It transcends time and space.
That's right.
This is the reason.
Share a study in the book.
There was a mother in Brisbane, Australia, whose son was serving in the military in Afghanistan.
She woke up at 3 o'clock in the morning, sensed that he was in trouble, called his commanding officer.
The commanding officer said, he's on a routine patrol.
Everything's fine.
I'll have him call you when he gets back.
Well, in fact, he'd hit an IED, a roadside bomb, his convoy.
He was not hit.
The vehicle in front of him was...
And it actually threw him from the vehicle, and he ended up, once he regained consciousness, he pulled the survivors and saved them from the burning vehicles, went back, Skyped with his mom and his wife, as he did every day, and that's when they learned what had happened.
So the question is, how did she know before his commanding officer that he was even in trouble?
this is where the information comes in.
If we're not bound by time and space, that is what that...
Deep intuition is all about from the human heart.
And this is why our most ancient and cherished spiritual traditions, not religious, but the spiritual traditions typically begin in the human heart.
And it's where we, our ability to self-regulate our bodies begins.
And, you know, I talk about in the book and many people have heard of coherence between the heart and the brain that facilitates.
Many of the extraordinary potentials that we're talking about.
This is so critical, and I want to show your books again.
Here are some of them on Amazon.
Pure Human, I think, is your most recent, and there are others.
Most recent, yeah.
But what you hit upon is so crucial, and also we've covered many documented cases, I know you've mentioned this before, of organ transplants, where a person takes on an organ, and then they take on the personality, traits, and sometimes speaking characteristics, sometimes addictions of the donor.
So the information field that you're speaking to is absolutely critical.
So let me bring in this piece.
And maybe this is the conspiracy angle here, but I believe that there are evil forces, even as you said, that are preventing us or trying to stop us from learning who we are, from fully expressing our humanity.
And they do this by actually...
They leverage these morphic fields of information for negativity.
They force people to be preoccupied with war, with hatred, with wanting destruction, and then the other selfish things, the greed, ego, and so on.
these are all distractions to warp this transmission capability, this information sharing capability, to basically hijack it
With an energetic virus of negativity that stops us from becoming who we are.
I love it when you talk that way, Mike.
Does that make sense?
It makes total sense.
This is where I asked earlier how deep we want to go with this.
When we give ourselves away to the technology, first of all, this is nothing new.
I mean, the desire to change the world around us has been happening You know, forever, from clear-cutting of forests to fossil fuels and all of that.
For the first time, Mike, we have the technology that allows us not only to change the world around us, but to change the world within us.
And that is a stated goal.
From UN projects, I was on a UN NGO up until 2022.
I pulled out because the UN is not what the UN used to be.
I'm going to be really clear.
There are very good people working at the UN.
And there is no single UN.
There are UNs within UNs.
It's a big corporation.
In many respects, the UN has been hijacked through an agreement signed in 2019 to work with the World Economic Forum because they believe that their shared vision for where the world needs to go was so similar.
That they would have synergy by working together.
So the WEF had no teeth to implement their visions.
The UN does.
And by the two working together, we're now seeing a concerted effort.
And the date that we're looking at, the reason that we're seeing this increased chaos.
That date is in the realm of the year 2030.
And I say that.
It's not that it's like January 1st at midnight on 2030 or something like that.
But they have earmarked that date where they want the systems in place to remake the world in ways that we have never seen and in ways that are not good for us.
When we give our biology away to technology, we become vulnerable.
And susceptible to the ideas and the agendas of others when we give our divinity away.
Because divinity is directly linked to freedom and sovereignty.
The freedom to imagine and create and share ideas with one another and to love without fear and forgive and heal.
This is literally our human destiny if we fulfill the potential within our bodies.
Our fate is what happens if we don't.
Our fate is what happens if we succumb to the attempts to deny our humanness, to deny our divinity.
Now, the WEF, you know, they meet at Davos every year.
I know you and your community know this very well, in case there's someone watching that may not.
And they summarize the outcome of that.
The early in the year meeting is to give them direction for the year ahead.
And in a single sentence, Klaus Schwab identified this.
He said, the goal is to merge the merging of our natural world with our digital world.
And then there was a long pause when he was at the podium.
And he said, and of course, our biological world.
Well, the natural world has already been tokenized and digitized.
And of course, the digital world is a digital world.
The missing piece to remake the world in the image of what is seen by these organizations is us.
They cannot do it if we don't give our humanness away to the technology.
So this is why I feel what I call a sense of graceful urgency.
Graceful in the sense that we have the time.
To make the choice is urgent in the sense that if we're going to do it, we've got about four and a half years.
And we are all going to be inundated with marketing, coerced, in some cases mandated, to embrace technology, not just in the world, but into our bodies.
And Mike, the young people are so vulnerable because they make it look so good.
They say we will be safer, we will be freer, our lives will be easier.
So when I'm with those young kids, I say young kids, they're young adults.
And nobody has ever told them, Mike, how beautiful and precious and sacred and powerful the gift of their human body is.
They've been indoctrinated to believe that they're broken and flawed and powerless and that they are craving something to replace them.
No one has told them.
And so they are very susceptible to this kind of marketing.
You're right.
And during the COVID years, we were told that the immune system is a conspiracy theory.
That there's no such thing as your immune system.
Evil has many, many...
Deception is the name of the game, Mike.
And I apologize for interrupting.
I'm very passionate about this.
We're barreling down the road.
Toward a convergence point.
And that's why you're seeing a heightening of the chaos.
That's why you're seeing all of the breakdowns of the systems and the wars.
And you nailed it when you said distractions.
The more that we can be kept spun up and in fear with the events of the world around us, the less we will focus on preserving and engaging with and developing The gift that we have within us.
That's why you got to go back to the big picture.
These are expressions of evil.
And there's a whole conversation we can have about why and who and how.
And I also want to be clear that I think individuals can perform evil acts out of ignorance and not actually be evil people.
I'm not saying everyone that implements a UN program Is an evil person because they're naive.
And I've worked with a lot of these.
They're good people and they think they're doing good things in the world.
They've never looked at the small print.
They've never looked at the goals that the UN has stated.
For example, the 17 Sustainable Development Goals.
UN SDG 2030 is what it's called.
Those are beautiful goals that anyone would want, including myself.
Who wouldn't want an end of poverty?
Who wouldn't want And end to disease in the world.
Who wouldn't want food security?
Now you look at the fine print.
How do we achieve those?
It is horrendous.
It is absolutely horrendous.
Yeah. And a lot of those goals count on reducing global population of humans.
Even as we have the rise of AI robots that are coming online.
I want to ask you about that here in a second.
But let me just state for the audience here.
I will never allow myself to be implanted with any technology.
I don't have any tattoos.
I don't do piercings.
None of that stuff.
I'm not against somebody who has a tattoo.
I'm just saying that I keep my body as clean and as pristine as possible.
I'm drinking superfoods all day.
That's who I am.
But the technology...
That they want to implant in you.
You're right.
The youth feel like it's a convenience.
Oh, I don't have to carry my wallet.
I can just wave my hand over the cashier console, whatever.
Or they say, well, I don't have anything to hide.
Why should I be afraid of the government having a neural link and reading my thoughts and recording my inner speech?
Because they say these things.
And you and I are thinking, are you insane?
Can I just add something to what you just said?
I just watched an interview that Ray Kurzweil did with Neil deGrasse Tyson.
For those that don't know, Ray Kurzweil, he's a futurist, brilliant man.
He's a writer.
He's written a lot of sci-fi books.
And he is really good at prediction in terms of where tech is going to be in a certain amount of time.
And he's a Google fellow.
Well, he is right now director of at least one aspect of AI at Google.
I don't know if he's director of all AI, but one facet of AI at Google.
And they were having this conversation, very casual conversation, and the implications are just stunning, astounding.
What he was saying is that within, he was saying by the year 2032, 2033 is what he's looking at.
He said that we will have the technology, already have the technology in our bodies that links, it doesn't just link us, and this is the key, and you have to listen to the language closely, that extends our neocortex into the cloud.
So now he's not just talking about accessing data occasionally on demand.
If we are extending our neocortex into the cloud, that's the Borg.
That's the Borg.
That's the hive mind.
It means everybody is thinking everybody else's thoughts.
That is one of the...
It's all about power and control.
Well, and let me mention Google in particular has a history of developing AI to use in weapon systems to slaughter innocent human beings.
And that's what Google's own...
We do.
Yeah, and this is...
I mean, there's so many...
Why would that be happening?
There's a fundamental battle between good and evil.
And apparently that battle, it's been going on since the first...
Actually, if you are to believe the ancient texts, that battle began in a realm before we appeared on Earth 200,000 years ago.
We were essentially born into a struggle.
And the struggle is over us.
And what it is...
That we have dominion over.
Who or what has dominion over us?
And, you know, that all sounds like pretty weird.
I mean, I'm the first to admit that sounds like some pretty out there stuff.
And then you look at the world, and that's exactly what's happening in the world right now.
So ultimately, I want to say this in case we run out of time.
We're talking about a lot of stuff.
It can be concerning.
It can be frightening.
To a lot of people, especially, and I'm going to be the first to admit, Mike, this is a very different way of thinking for some people.
Maybe not for everyone on your channel, but someone just picked up, you know, and tuned in this.
It's a very different way of thinking.
What I want to say is that this is a different kind of struggle.
In the old ways of thinking, we think of conflict as force against force, where one has to overcome another.
This is something very different.
This is a deeply spiritual process.
We don't want to win the struggle because that would imply the old ideas that keep us stuck in the fear that divides us right now from our families and our own power.
We don't want to win.
We want to triumph.
Triumph is different than winning.
When we triumph, this is why we go back to the very first part of this conversation.
It's transformative.
If the goal of evil is to deny human divinity love, Forgiveness, empathy, sympathy, compassion, healing.
If the goal of evil is to deny that divinity, the way that we triumph is by living our divinity.
We live the best version of ourselves.
You don't have to get spun up in all of the diversions and all the distractions.
We live, we imagine freely, we share our ideas, we innovate, we create, we heal, we forgive one another.
We have empathy for our brothers and sisters.
In doing that, not only is it good for us, not only is it good for our bodies, but we triumph in this battle, and it all comes down to love.
Yes. And this is the question that's up for every one of us right now.
We're not finished, but I don't want to run out of time without saying this.
The question is this.
Do we love ourselves enough to accept the gift of our humanness, the gift of our divinity, and the power and responsibility that comes with our divinity?
Do we love ourselves enough to accept those things?
And, you know, Mike, it's not one of those questions you answer with words.
You answer, we answer by example.
It's the way we live our lives.
How do we treat ourselves?
How do we treat one another?
How do we solve problems in the world?
And this is where our spiritual traditions come in.
We each do the best that we can do.
It's not about making someone wrong, though.
And I think it's important.
It's not about making someone wrong, and it's important to share these ideas in kindness, not from fear and anger and hate and retribution.
This is what we're up against, and we have everything we need to transcend.
And the responsibility is that we have to accept the truth of our humanness and our divinity.
And that's a tall order for all of us.
Well, that is a tall order.
It's hard for me to be kind sometimes when I'm talking about those who are trying to exterminate us, right?
But people ask me, like, hey, I want to fight the system.
How do I fight the system?
Often my answer is, grow a home garden.
Yeah, exactly.
And witness the miracle of Mother Nature synthesizing all the nutrition and medicine that you need for free out of the sky from carbon dioxide and sunlight and water, photosynthesis, and it didn't charge you a dime and you didn't have to download an update.
Yeah, this is us loving ourselves.
But you used the word fight, and I didn't know if we wanted to get into that, but this is important.
We all have inner warriors, and I have an inner warrior.
And we all have to fight sometimes.
And that's part of our nature.
On a deeply spiritual level, the fight may have the same outcomes.
Someone is going to get hurt in a fight.
And someone is going to get hurt less in a fight, either emotionally or psychologically or physically.
But here's the thing, spiritually, do we fight from our love of our family and our community and the world that's behind us?
Are we leading, fighting from our love of what we know is possible, or are we fighting because we have succumbed to the fear and the anger?
And the hate for those that we perceive as our enemies in front of us.
Yeah, really, really good point.
Exactly. It's critical to fight from a place of preserving our humanity.
Basically, it's self-defense in that case.
It's a defensive thing.
Now, before we run out of time...
We still have just a few minutes left.
I have one more big question to ask you.
Let me give out your website again.
It's gregbrayden.com.
Greg is spelled with two G's.
Well, three total, but two at the end.
Thank you.
Yeah, right.
But I did.
I used two G's.
One at the beginning, one at the end.
No, it's three G's total.
gregbrayden.com.
So what I want to ask you, Greg, is how we walk this tightrope of using technology to promote pro-humanism points of view.
Show my desk, if you would, please.
So here I am with this microscope, and I've got an incubator there, and a computer and so on.
I'm using this technology to show people some of what's falling out of the sky, right?
The chemtrails.
And then we use mass spectrometry equipment.
We did heavy metals testing, and we can see the barium and aluminum elements that are falling out of the sky, etc.
So we use technology, and I'm even, of course, building an AI engine.
That has a pro-human knowledge base.
How do we, Greg, how do we keep that balance where we use the technology of the day without being sucked into it?
You know, Mike, this is a question.
I was a problem solver for Fortune 500 companies from the late 1970s into the early 90s.
Defense industry during the Cold Wars was only a part of that.
I was first tech ops manager at Cisco Systems in 1991.
Wow. Wow.
That's great.
Well, these are the kinds of questions that were asked almost every day.
And I don't know that there's a single answer.
I think there are many solutions.
What we know is the technology is never right, wrong, good or bad.
It's the thinking underlying the technology and how it's applied in our lives.
The computer chip in the brain, for example.
And I don't want people to demonize those chips.
That could be the most beautiful thing for a man or woman who's given their lives and service to our country, come back missing arms and legs.
And they get a chip in the brain that speaks to the prosthetics of new arms and legs that allow them to hold their baby and brush their teeth and feed themselves.
What a beautiful thing.
Same tech.
So it's the thinking underlying it.
I think our best bet, and I love technology outside of the body.
I think what we do is we capitalize upon the tech that's available and repurpose that tech for the very things that we're talking about.
We repurpose the marketing, repurpose all of those things to share the deep truth of what it means to be human, not to convince or persuade anyone, but I think we owe it to ourselves to know what it is we're giving away before we give it away.
I love your label, to repurpose.
Yeah, what I've found, Mike, is in most audiences, I don't have to convince or persuade them, when they see the facts, when the facts are clear, the choices become obvious.
But nobody's given them the facts.
When they see the potential within their own bodies that no one has ever told, no, they've not been told, but they've been told the opposite.
The body's been denigrated and demonized.
Carbon, in general, Has been demonized.
We are a carbon-based life, and young people have been taught to hate and fear anything that has to do with carbon.
So when they see the potential within their bodies, most people say, my God, I never knew this.
And it deepens the sense of their value and their worth and the potential.
Maybe... We do have a relationship with some higher power that has never been made clear.
And these are tech people I'm talking to.
And they're saying, we don't want to give this away.
We don't want to give this away.
And also, I just want to say that the techies, even people like Yuval Harari, you know, with the WEF, who's had the ear of Klaus Schwab for many years, or Ray Kurzweil.
I'm not saying...
I don't know them personally.
But I have spoken to techies like them personally.
And here's what's happening.
These are people that are brilliant, men and women.
They're given unlimited resources of advanced technology, all the money they need, and the freedom to push that tech as far as they're going to push it.
And so I say to them, okay, what does that mean for society?
What does that mean for communities?
What does it mean for families?
And everyone I've asked, they gave me the same answer, Mike.
They said, don't ask me.
That's above my pay grade.
I said, let somebody else figure out the implications.
We're just pushing the technology.
So it's up to us to reel that in.
It's up to us to claim our humanness and to place value in our divinity, take it out of the religion and away from the baggage of all the religion and say, look, this is our potential.
And I believe it is our destiny to awaken.
Yes. So the 2030 end date is actually a catalyst.
It's only four and a half years from now.
That is the catalyst that is forcing many people to get off the fence.
They're saying, are we going to accept this tech into our bodies in terms of legislation?
The laws are already being written.
Policies are already being created.
Are we going to accept those laws and those policies?
Or are we going to claim?
The truth of our humanness and preserve our humanness because you can't sit on the fence.
That's right.
The mass awakening is coinciding with the mass sleepening at the same time.
It's happening together.
Let me give you this example of repurposing because you'll love this.
Myself and my team, we spent now about a year and a half trying to figure out how to alter AI models.
It's called domain adaptation, how to really change its knowledge.
We finally figured it out.
We finally cracked the code about a month ago.
And the answer, you'll love this.
So you prompt a model.
You monitor all of its neurological nodes, its vectors.
Then you prompt it.
Like, tell me about why COVID vaccines are safe and effective.
And then you watch which neurons light up.
You take that set of neurons and you put that over here in the training targets set.
And then you train it with new information.
Hey, the COVID vaccine actually does not prevent transmission, does not prevent infections.
But in order to save compute, you only train that set of neurons that lit up when you were asking it the questions.
So we're using the neurology of the pro-pharma bias models As a confessional to tell us which neurons we need to target for retraining.
It's beautiful.
And it works.
It's beautiful.
I love it.
And I knew a little bit from John, our mutual friend, John Peterson, about what you're doing.
I didn't know to that degree.
And I'm not surprised at all.
And I'm really happy to know that you and your team are doing what you're doing there, Mike.
Thank you for all that you're doing in that direction.
Well, thank you, Greg, for all that you're doing.
Thank you for spending time with us today.
Let me give out your website again, gregbraden.com, and it's spelled G-R-E-G-G, Greg Braden.
There you can see it on your screen.
And then also, go to amazon.com and you can check out all of his books.
There are many more than this.
And most of his books are also on audible.com for the audiobook versions, which is often what I like to do.
Greg, I listen to books while I'm on my tractor, on my ranch, shredding mesquite trees.
Wow. Or whatever I'm doing, working on irrigation lines or whatever.
I'm a guy who believes in getting out in nature hands-on, getting in the dirt, growing food, planting orchards, whatever.
If I don't do that, I don't feel human.
I'm with you.
That's why we choose.
When I left the corporations, I made a choice.
I said, do I want to wake up in a place that's convenient?
And easy every day, which I had done all my life, or do I want to wake up surrounded by beauty and beauty won out?
1986, I bought a piece of land in the high desert four hours from the airport, an hour from the nearest town, and I'm still repairing the buildings.
Actually, this would be interesting.
You're familiar with Waldorf, Waldorf schools.
Yes. Rudolf Steiner.
This was one of the first Waldorf schools that was built in the U.S. in 1888.
No kidding?
Well, it had been abandoned, and I'm still learning about it.
I've learned everything from sheetrock and flagstone and sweating pipes to electrical.
We can't get anybody up there to work on the land.
Oh, I know that feeling.
Now, what state is that located in?
Northern New Mexico.
Northern New Mexico.
So, relatively dry climate?
8,000 feet above sea level, averaging 12 to 20% humidity most of the year.
But we have monsoons in July.
We get some pretty heavy rains.
Cold temperatures.
It's not an easy life, Mike, but it's a good life.
Oh, that's a great place for clarity, too, that higher elevation.
And you're also away from a lot of the electromagnetic interference of the cities and so on.
Hopefully. So, yeah.
Well, Mike, I'm not surprised, but I sense that our time would go by pretty quickly.
And this hour went by.
I know you've got another interview, and I do as well.
So I want to honor your next guest.
I want to honor your time.
Thank you for your trust, because the truth is, you had no idea what I was going to say, and you trusted me with your community anyway.
It means a lot to me.
And I want to thank that team working behind the scenes that we can't see that's doing a beautiful job right now.
They are.
They are indeed.
Thank you so much, Greg.
Have a wonderful day.
Take care.
You as well.
Take care.
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