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Feb. 28, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Eric Coppolino joins Mike Adams to talk about California Wildfires...
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Welcome to today's interview here on Brighteon.com and we have a returning guest that we haven't spoken with for about two years.
It's Eric Francis Coppolino and he is with PlanetWaves.fm is one of his websites, Pacifica Network.
He is the producer of his show, PlanetWaves.fm and he's collected a lot of information.
He's an expert on the toxic chemicals that are coming out of The California fires.
He and I spoke a couple years ago about dioxins from the East Palestine train accident in Ohio, and now he brings us a lot of new information about what's coming out of California.
Eric, welcome to the show today.
It's great to connect with you again.
It's been too long.
Thank you, Mike.
Good to be back.
Great to have you back.
We had great discussions a couple years ago, and I noticed how at that time the EPA and at the time Senator Vance, I believe, was just denying that that was a problem with the dioxins there.
I think he was walking around barefoot in the creeks while dioxins were everywhere.
Right?
Remember that?
Well, but who were the ones that prompted the, was it the Pennsylvania settlers who prompted the EPA investigation?
I don't recall, but the EPA barely tested anything.
Oh, no, no, no.
EPA's job is to not find the dioxins.
Absolutely.
It was a giant cover-up.
Even to this day, that's still a massive cover-up.
But now we have something far away.
And they bought them all out?
No, go ahead.
Oh no, they bought them out.
I mean, there was a buyout.
And I lost contact with most of those folks.
They were not eager to stay in touch.
And I was amazed at how limited the interest in the press was.
These were the highest circulation substacks I ever wrote.
Like hundreds of thousands of views designed to inform the press.
And I made a press list of like 100 reporters and none of them got back to me.
I wrote to everyone and not a single one wrote back to me.
Oh my.
Okay.
Well, let's pivot now to California because these fires that burned at least, what was it, 14,000, 15,000 structures, something like that.
Yeah.
The Palisades fires, but they were much more than the Palisades.
You and I both know, Eric, and we were texting privately about this, that...
When those homes burn, and those businesses burn, it's burning PVC material, it's burning plastics, it's burning really toxic substances.
What is the big impact of all this toxicity that people were breathing, firefighters were breathing, first responders, residents, and some of it's fallen on the croplands, etc.?
Give us the big picture view first, and then we'll get into the weeds here.
The net effect is that wherever there were homes that burned, you now have essentially a toxic waste dump.
Period.
That's what you have.
And that is because, as you correctly point out, these homes are constructed largely of plastic.
Sure, there's some wood, there's also wood preservatives, and then there's all the various forms of vinyl siding.
And then everyone's home is made of plastic, you know, filled with plastic.
And there are many examples of things that are made of some form of PVC. And so what you're getting is an indeterminate toxic brew of all of these things, basically partially combusted, which then are hosed down at various stages.
And that spreads the toxicity.
And so essentially every one of these neighborhoods is turned into a little miniature love canal, only for the most part the toxins are going to be situated above the ground and in the topsoil, except for when they drain into the earth and into the aquifer there.
Right, so the toxicity, just fighting the fires itself, spraying water on everything, spreads the toxicity.
Yeah.
Into the waterways, into the aquifers, etc.
Yes.
Yeah, it's very dangerous business.
And, you know, in an urban setting where it's contained, you know, where it might be one or two buildings, it's still pretty dangerous.
But the firemen have to wear Scott Airpacks.
It's very uncomfortable for extended periods of time.
I don't think that those firefighters were all wearing Scott Airpacks.
This would be an astounding amount of air.
So the firemen are always exposed, firefighters are always exposed to the toxic chemicals in the structure that's burning, whatever that is, and because of the high amount of plastics, we have all this partially combusted plastic, which is toxic in ways we just don't know.
And then all the PVC turns, it basically partially combusts into a chemical, or it's actually a group of 130-something chemicals.
Called chlorinated dioxins.
And the thing is that now, well, it's been a while, maybe since the mid-1990s, there have been numerous chemicals that have been reclassified from their previously scattered concepts and groupings into now a larger group called dioxin-like compounds, which contains essentially everything.
With a halogen and some form of a coplanar molecule where that is to say the molecule is flat and has a greater chance of fitting into liver receptors and various things to cause hormone damage.
So dioxins are carcinogenic, but they are carcinogenic often by way of endocrine disruption.
And so all of these plastics, even if you don't...
Burn them.
They are endocrine disruptors.
So we're in this environment of endocrine disruption.
Okay, but let me add, and this came out of the East Palestine accident.
Whether it was an accident or not, I guess, is another discussion.
But the fact that the worst dioxins, and when we say dioxins, it refers to a class of chemical compounds.
There are many different dioxins and PCBs.
But the worst of the dioxins...
Can cause cancer at femtograms of exposure.
So, let's see.
It goes micrograms and then nanograms and then picograms and then femtograms.
Yeah, that's probably a part per trillion of a...
That's probably one part per trillion of a kilogram.
Is that right?
I mean, we're talking about so many orders of magnitude.
Yeah, but I mean, a part per trillion...
A part per trillion would be a picogram, right?
Because a nanogram is a part per billion.
A picogram is a part per trillion.
We're down to the molecular level.
Yeah, we're talking about a thousandth of a trillionth of a gram is what we're talking about here, I believe.
A femtogram, right?
So that level of exposure can cause cancer, which means that in one house burning there, there's enough material to cause cancer for, like, everybody.
Yeah, assuming exposure, but yeah, sure.
Assuming exposure.
It's very, very bad stuff.
And the problem is it's not going to be treated that way.
These are not going to be treated as toxic fires.
These are going to be treated as ordinary house fires.
So the EPA is not going to come in and declare the entire thing a Superfund site.
They're just going to bulldoze the land and rebuild on it.
When in fact, we should really have an environmental assessment that I think would call for removing at least 6 to 12 inches of topsoil over the entire thing and replacing it.
But to do this, you've got to have a map.
You have to take like 10 acres and make a grid and get a sense of how it spreads.
And no one's going to do that.
Well, and plus, I mean, the topsoil, that's where most of the microbiology lives in the soil, which is really critical for other roles in the ecosystem.
But you've also got the whole downwind problem, right?
So the winds were fierce during these fires.
That's part of the problem.
And in some cases, I believe those winds were 80 miles an hour.
So how far away?
What was the dispersion pattern of these toxins?
Nobody can really know.
Actually, nobody cares, actually.
I mean, aside from you and I, Eric, and our audience, it's like, who even cares about this?
It's like, oh, we're all going to die of cancer.
Don't worry.
You know, AI will find cures.
Okay.
Yeah, something's going to get you.
Or, you know, Larry, what's his name?
Ellison is going to come up with the magical...
Yeah, the vaccine cure.
Robot cure for dioxin cancer.
Yeah, now we're going to have dioxin vaccines.
Go ahead, please.
Dioxin vaccines.
That'll be the next one.
We'll have to take dioxin vaccines.
Well, I'm thinking, you know, my joke used to be that someday the world will be so clean that we'll need to take a toxin supplement.
Well, don't worry.
Those already exist.
Essential PCBs.
They're called pharmaceuticals.
You can get them at any pharmacy.
But this affects more than people, right?
This affects the animals.
This affects the ecosystems.
And it affects the food.
So we know that dioxins in the food chain, they are fat-soluble and they bioaccumulate in the fat tissues, which means they end up in chicken eggs.
They end up in cow meat and fat and hogs and every kind of animal, obviously, and butter and milk and whatever.
Since California produces so much food, and some of it, even almond orchards, almonds have fat, right?
So are we going to have dioxin almonds from California now?
Where does this go?
To be fair, I don't think this was that kind of a release.
But all smoke is toxic.
And I'd rather have a forest burning than have 16,000 homes burning.
True.
Right?
So there has to be some assessment done if we really want to know.
So what we're going to get here is this is going to add to the background level in that region, and it's going to add to it in a measurable way.
That's what I would predict.
If you were to do honest testing, it would add to the background in a measurable way.
I think that obviously this is going to be less serious of a crisis than East Palestine.
It'll be less serious of a crisis than Times Beach or Love Canal.
It's not on that level.
But people are going to live on that land again.
I mean, that's the thing.
And they're going to be breathing in that dust.
All those forests are going to regrow.
And there's going to be this light coating of these substances.
And I would add that we don't really know what the total effect is because this is a brew of probably a thousand chemicals.
I mean, cars burning?
Cars are very serious.
They're loaded with vinyl paints.
People with paint sheds burning, tool sheds burning.
Which is one thing when it's one or two homes, when it's 16,000 homes and 16,000 luxury homes, all of which had some kind of a paint closet.
Yeah, that's not good.
Right?
So there's like a tool shed or a paint closet.
And then – but I think the point that it would be wise for us to make here and to persist with is where is the investigation?
Where is anyone who actually wants to find out what – What the situation actually is.
We can speculate.
Obviously, there are toxins released.
There are numerous kinds of toxins released.
They're going to be less in the air, mostly in the ground, and some in the water.
But where, how much, and what toxins?
And I would bet almost any amount of money that they're not going to test for any of this stuff.
Of course they're not.
Right.
That's called the environmental don't ask, don't tell policy.
Don't ask.
Lois Gibbs told me that first.
She said, if you want to understand Lois Gibbs, who organized the evacuation of Love Canal, hello Lois, who got me started on all this madness in 1983. She said, if you want to understand the policy of the New York State Department of Health, it's don't look, don't find, not there.
Yeah, that's right.
And if you tell them there's benzene, they'll look for toluene and declare it free of toluene and benzene because they didn't find the benzene.
Totally.
So once again, roll out every trick in the book.
And I think that a long, long time ago, really honestly around the time of Love Canal on a federal level.
This was a neighborhood that was evacuated in 1980, where after like a five-year battle, you know, well, 78, 9, three-year battle, that they were never going to have another Love Canal.
And that is why they handled East Palestine the way that they did.
And that was a very serious release.
Yes.
And here, you know, there's no pressure.
And it's because...
Because dioxin-like compounds were only a fraction of the chemicals released, right?
The house is not going to be more than half a percent.
Well, the vinyl siding, but see, the vinyl siding is a real problem, right?
All the houses with vinyl siding, that's going to combust into dioxin.
So we don't know the answer.
We just know there's probable cause to check.
We're recording this on the day that the Senate Finance Committee confirmed RFK Jr. to go to the next step, which would be a full Senate floor vote.
Now, RFK Jr., someone who I support for head of HHS, former Democrat, and someone who's very concerned about pollution, about toxicity in the environment.
HHS does not have authority over EPA. EPA is now headed up by a Republican, Lee Zeldin, who I believe ran for governor of New York and did not win.
I don't know that Zeldin, I have no idea if he has any knowledge about toxins or pollutants or anything.
But what is your take on, let's say, RFK Jr. and his influence on if he runs HHS, do you think that he can do some good about helping us deal with You know, pollution or reduce it in America?
What's your take on that?
I don't know if he's effective at all.
He's best known.
I mean, I knew of him when he was an environmental attorney and I worked for a law firm that was kind of inspired by him and had a picture of Robert F. Kennedy hanging on the wall, his father.
But I covered RFK Jr. on the issue of virus existence.
And I did not have a positive impression of him.
I found him to be dissembling.
I found him to give very incomplete versions of events.
In one article, I quote four different responses to the virus existence issue surrounding SARS-CoV-2.
And he did not want to deal with the issue.
And then, of course, he comes out with a book that claims that there was a lab release.
If there was no virus, how is there a lab release?
But it sold a lot of copies, and it became the official government narrative.
So now we have this person who's supposed to be anti-government advancing the official government narrative, which is the lab release narrative of SARS-CoV-2.
So I don't know how that is any kind of an activist of any kind.
I don't see him as being any kind of a pariah.
And then he gets in front of the...
You know, the most famous anti-vaxxer in the world gets in front of the Senate committee set to approve him, and he says that he's in favor of the vaccine schedule.
He's taking a lot of heat for that, that's for sure.
He's in favor of the vaccine schedule?
With 60, 70 shots going into a baby like a pincushion?
Yeah, yeah.
I don't get this.
Well, I've got a couple theories on this, just my opinion.
I think that he...
This is just my guess, but I think he's playing game theory with the senators to get their vote.
No, I think he's telling them things that they want to hear because he knows they're totally corrupt and paid by Big Pharma.
But in his heart, he knows vaccines are dangerous.
I mean, come on.
He's built this multi-billion dollar, not quite billion, but he's built up CHD into this massive organization.
That's supposed to be warning us about the danger of vaccines.
Right.
But then he says he's in favor of them all.
That's not the right answer to give.
But in a practical sense, though, Eric, if you or I were in front of the Senate, like, we would never be confirmed because they would ask us, like, what do you think about vaccines?
They're all toxic.
Don't take any of them, you know?
We don't walk in front of the Senate.
That's why we're talking on Brady on News.
Yeah, we're not going to run HHS, that's for sure.
Thank God.
But, no, I appreciate your feedback on that.
He also said something else that really incensed.
Oh, he said that Operation Warp Speed was a great success.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
Yeah, but then he's also on record as saying that it's the most dangerous vaccine in the history of vaccines.
So how is it possible that Operation Warp Speed was any kind of a great success, but the COVID shot was the most dangerous shot of them all?
Yeah, they both can't be true.
No, they can't be true.
This is Reed Orwell's essay on political speech.
This is straight out of the head.
You know what I'm talking about?
You will laugh your ass off.
It's one of the funniest things ever written.
George Orwell, it's on political speech, I think it's called.
This is exactly, precisely what...
Kennedy is trained to do.
You can't blame him.
He's from a great political family.
His father, fantastic orator.
His uncle, fantastic orator.
I bet what was the older brother who was killed over the English Channel?
I bet he could talk a good line.
But it's political speech.
And besides which, the Kennedys were not who we were told that they were.
We have this whole Camelot myth about the Kennedys.
It does not...
Did you say something?
Well, yeah.
One interesting thing is that when RFK was confirmed by the Senate Finance Committee, Pfizer stock plummeted and other pharma stocks plummeted.
And I was like, that's a great sign, actually.
At least investors believe that RFK is going to rein in some of the abuses of big pharma, the direct-to-consumer drug advertising, perhaps.
What do you make of that?
I lost this thread.
Was he approved for HHS? He was approved by the Finance Committee, but not yet the full Senate floor vote.
That's coming.
So there's another step.
This is going to come down to Vance again.
It may very well come down to Vance, who loves to frolic barefoot through the dioxin-contaminated rivers of Ohio.
So, you know, whatever.
I am...
It's disheartened that so many people are willing to trot out their hero worship again for Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who is – he's just simply a political actor.
I mean there's not anything especially bad about him or especially good about him.
I think he's a fairly ordinary political actor, kind of like the rest of them.
But he's just got the name.
Kennedy, and that's it.
We shouldn't expect anything different from him than we've had.
Let me redirect on that a little bit, if you don't mind.
Number one, his whole family despises him, so he's not really with the Kennedy clan, right?
Because they're all against him.
Yeah, but there's so much misunderstanding about this.
They despise him because they think he's an anti-vaxxer, but he's obviously not an anti-vaxxer.
So, to me, it's really like...
Looking into a kaleidoscope, trying to sort all of this out, when I've gotten my own notes, my own direct contact with him and his organization.
And if you recall, I don't know if you remember this story, but I got to him in Greenwich, Connecticut, and I was the second person asking the question in the Q&A, and I said, Mr. Kennedy, thank you for all you've done.
Are you aware that there's someone in...
There's someone in Canada named Christine Massey who now has 209 responses from various different agencies.
Yes.
And they all say they can't produce a sample of SARS-CoV-2.
They all say the same thing.
They can't produce any evidence, any scientific paper from anywhere in the world that shows that anyone actually found this virus.
And he did the worst three-minute shoes tied together, two left feet.
Dan, stammering around, it took my then-girlfriend three hours to transcribe three minutes.
And then we still found mistakes, but still, she's a very smart girl.
It took her three hours to transcribe three minutes.
And so, it was ridiculous.
He was unprepared.
He should have been prepared for that question.
He should have known to say, young man, good question.
We'll get back to you.
Next, please.
That's how his father would have handled it.
That's how his uncle would have handled it.
He would have said, take a walk.
I recently published a really nice video report on the book by Dr. Thomas Cowan called The Contagion Myth.
Yep, I know that one.
With also, what's her name?
Morrell.
What's the organization?
The name of the organization with the dentist?
The dentist?
ADA? No, no.
Founded by the dentist that...
Weston Price.
Weston Price.
Gosh, his name's slipped my mind.
Yeah, Cowan's big in Weston Price.
Right.
And I'm sure they sit down to a big meal of organ meats every night.
Yeah, gotta have the organ meats.
But it's Sally Fallon Murrell.
That's her name.
But Dr. Thomas Cowan.
So, but I gotta say, Eric, when, you know, we are living in a nation.
That worships scientism.
Right?
Absolute scientism.
Everything's broken down.
It's materialistic.
It's subatomic particles.
They're always particles.
No, they're not, but whatever.
And they say that there's this thing.
You can't see it.
We can't isolate it.
But it's real.
And it's a virus, we'll call it.
It's a virus.
And then the virus infects you and it replicates.
This is part of the culture.
To challenge that is like challenging people's entire belief system in many cases.
Well, it's true, but I think that if we want to follow the science, we have to ask ourselves whether this approximately whatever 130-year-old theory has ever been shown to be true.
And I don't mean on terms set by people who don't think there are viruses.
I mean, was the theory ever borne out by the...
The rules established by, for example, Dr. Koch and Dr. Rivers.
Do their rules hold up?
In other words, we want to prove these.
Koch's postulate, Rivers' postulate.
Well, it turns out that they don't.
And so they've been saying all along, well, this is Koch's postulate.
This is Rivers' postulate.
This is what we have to have to make it real.
And then they can't even live up to their own standards.
It is mind-boggling to think of it that way, but they've had well over a century to prove this theory and to show that any part of it is real, and their pandemics don't even behave like pandemics.
That's true.
All the early cases, here we are, by the way, it's January, well, now it's February, half a decade.
Can you believe that, Mike, that half a decade has passed?
What, since COVID? Since the first COVID? Yeah, and at this time, they were trying to sell it, and they had no clusters in China.
You would think you'd have the whole town sick or the whole family sick, right?
That's, oh, it's contagious.
All 10 people who lived together, they all got sick.
No.
All their original cases were individual cases.
They were not clusters of any kind.
This is very well documented.
And it didn't even spread across U.S. cities the way it should have if it were highly contagious, because...
Travel was still happening, especially in the early months of it, right?
It didn't spread anywhere.
It should have been in Chicago, Miami, Houston, everywhere.
Here's the best example.
And I was looking, you know, I think that, who has it said all politics is local?
And I say all news is local.
So I cover these international issues.
But I'm always paying attention to what's going on right in my neighborhood.
And I'm in kind of the northernmost rural-ish suburb of New York City.
So you can walk like three blocks away from my office and get a bus.
Down to the city.
So all through the spread phase, right?
All through when this thing was supposed to be spreading, the commuter buses were packed, running back and forth.
And then supposedly everyone drops dead in New York City and nothing happens up here except for a couple of few scattered claimed deaths that are obviously, in retrospect, hospital problems.
But there was no epidemic up here.
And if the pandemic theory was true and it really was true that there was a disease vector, contagious disease vector going on in Manhattan, it should have been brought right up here directly, immediately.
Yeah, clearly, clearly.
But what's extraordinary about what we're talking about here today together is that we live in a country where the authorities say, essentially, there are no dioxins.
Don't look at that.
That's not real.
But there are these viruses and you have to wear masks that can't possibly stop viruses.
But somehow those masks will help you.
But don't pay any attention to these actual chemicals that might kill you.
Those aren't real.
Yes, you make a very good point.
Now here, that's it.
You've cracked the formula.
So the formula is that you blame the reaction to a toxin on a virus.
So, case in point, when people were sick at Love Canal, and mind you, Love Canal was 23,000 tons of industrial chemicals under the ground with radiation way at the bottom, and they were saying, oh, you just have the flu.
You have some kind of a virus.
Right, it's a virus, they would say.
Totally.
Yeah.
No, no, they did say it.
I know, they did.
They did say it, and you could walk out there and take a big stick and poke it in the ground, and you'd come up with toxic crud on the end of the stick.
And they were telling people to not spend more than like somewhere like a minute and 50 seconds in their basements because it was so toxic.
Like Chernobyl?
You mean like Chernobyl time limits where the soldier had to shovel for 30 seconds and that was a lifetime of exposure?
Yeah, basically.
But they were telling this to families living in the Love Canal neighborhood.
I continue to have a fascination with the Love Canal neighborhood.
And by the time...
You publish this.
Just let me know when.
I'll get my new photos of Love Canal.
I was just there in the fall to document the condition that it's in, but this is a neighborhood that was built on top of a massive toxic waste dump in Niagara Falls, New York, where there were 20 different chemical firms, and they were dumping for a decade all through World War II and into the 1950s, and then they filled it in with dirt.
And then they built a school directly on top of it and a thousand homes around it.
And a second school about eight blocks away.
And then the chemicals started coming up from the ground and they started soaking into people's homes.
And this created the...
There's a PBS documentary that came out last year that is really A+. Wow.
I believe it's called...
I'm not sure, but if you look up PBS documentary...
Love Canal.
It is really some of the most amazing video compilation and editing work I've ever seen.
And then a book came out called Paradise Falls.
Is it called Poisoned Ground?
Yes.
Poisoned Ground.
Here we go.
It's an American experience brand of PBS, like you said.
Here it is.
I've got it on my screen.
Can we show that?
Poisoned Ground, The Tragedy at Love Canal.
It's an utterly breathtaking documentary.
Wow.
I'll check it out.
I can vouch for everything in it being true.
I'll check it out.
Now, then a book came out, and the beauty of this book, the book is called Paradise Falls, and the beauty of the book is that it does not focus on all the made-for-TV stuff because Gibbs was a master.
She was a master at television.
I've never seen her chart, but she's got some streak of genius.
It's almost like she had all of Marshall McLuhan's information in her mind.
But I'm sure she never, ever read a Marshall McLuhan book.
You can't.
She knew how to direct the activists for television.
They were brilliant at it.
So you get all of that in Poisoned Ground.
But what you get in Paradise Falls is all the negotiating behind the scenes.
The politicians who stood up for the residents, the researchers and medical doctors who stood up for the residents, you don't really hear about them so much in Poisoned Ground.
And it was one of the most satisfying books I've ever read.
Okay, so let me summarize this, because this is really extraordinary, what you're bringing to the surface here, Eric.
And Dr. Thomas Cowan talks about this in his book, Contagion Myth, that the introduction of radio, for example, introduced all this electromagnetic pollution, which then resulted in, quote, outbreaks, or the introduction of 5G. Mobile phone towers and other forms of electromagnetic radiation,
high voltage power lines, etc., that with each new introduction, and as you're talking about chemical exposure now, toxic chemicals, in some cases radioisotopes that are dumped in these grounds, all of these cause different forms of sickness.
Sometimes they are clustered in the areas where the toxins have been dumped.
But virology is a really convenient narrative to blame all of this.
On the people.
It's your fault for exposing somebody else, but to deny all the chemicals and then to use this to encourage people to line up and get vaccinated, which kills some of the people.
Oh, and sickens many of them.
Yes.
From the COVID shot, we know close to 40,000 reported dead into the VAERS system, into the Vaccine Adverse Events Response Database.
They admit to 40,000.
Have you ever shared OpenVers with your readers?
OpenVers.com.
OpenVers.
Yeah, OpenVers.
But the projections from people like Ed Dowd talk about 1.5 million Americans likely killed from these vaccines.
I believe that.
Or accelerated.
There are so many people dying of cancers that came back.
Yes.
Cancers that came back.
I believe Jane McLevy was one of them, the brilliant, famous labor union organizer who I knew when she was 19. And many people, my friend Chris McGregor recently died of a cardiovascular event at age 65. I know that he was injected multiple times.
Another person I know died young of a cardiovascular event.
This is what is going on.
And they can't be connected once years have gone by.
None of that stuff is eligible to go into the VAERS system.
Right.
It has to be an immediate response.
But this is...
We are talking about what would be one of the...
This viral virology narrative is the greatest science lie in history.
I mean, by far.
And it's used...
To harm people, and it's used to deceive people.
It's used to control people.
The lockdowns, the masks.
It's going to be used for the digital ID, the whole virus narrative.
And this is why I have absolutely no tolerance for all these limited hangouts.
They're like, well, they give you some good information, but then you press them on the virus, and they're like, well, I can't really talk about that.
Maybe not.
On Monday, they caucus with Tom Cowan.
On Tuesday, they caucus with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. And this is the gray area that is going to facilitate whatever the digital ID is.
The digital ID is connected to vaccine record.
The vaccine record is necessitated by the claim of a virus.
That's how important it is to get the virus issue right.
And the beauty of it is the work has been done.
We do not need to start our own investigation from scratch.
All you need to do is read the essay, A Farewell to Virology by Mark Bailey.
I'll move that show right to the top of my feed on Planet Waves FM as soon as we're done with this so that you can see.
That'll be right on top.
And that is like a...
30,000, 40,000-word paper that breaks down the entire history.
And from the get-go, they have not been able to establish this.
And the Bailey's Channel, I don't know if you know these people, but they're fantastic presenters.
The show's like Watching Lassie.
Every show has the same plot.
Take a disease blamed on a virus.
Go back and look to validate the claim of the virus.
Come up empty-handed.
There's nothing.
They fake their data.
Back to the very first study on viruses, the tobacco mosaic virus.
They never found a virus in the tobacco mosaic virus.
They never found a polio virus.
They killed those poor monkeys by injecting the spinal tissue of other monkeys into their brains.
But I want to make a distinction here also.
And I want your reaction as well.
But, for example, what's called malaria.
From mosquitoes, that involves bacteria that we can see, right?
That's different.
It's a protozoa, right?
Yeah, you're correct.
It's a protozoa.
And also, like, fungi.
Like, we can see fungi.
I mean, I have a laboratory.
I have a microscope.
I can look at it.
It's wild, right?
You can see molds.
You can see mold spores.
You can see fungi.
Like, those things are real.
You can see them, and you can isolate them.
And you can buy laboratory standards that consist of nothing but that thing.
When I, in my lab, when I tried to buy a laboratory standard of SARS-CoV-2, did you know?
No, seriously.
I know.
I've been down this road.
Yeah.
You could not buy one.
You could not buy one.
It's not really CRM. No, it's not CRM. Right.
Certified reference material.
Right.
There's no such thing that exists in the world of virology.
I found out, to my great shock, they do not exist.
Yeah.
It's wild.
Well, that's because they don't have any.
They never had any.
They never will have any.
They're doing a very good job of perpetuating a fear.
But now we have to go to the spiritual level on this.
Eventually, this ceases to be a biological question, and it becomes a spiritual question.
So the question is, A, what's the appeal of the virus?
But maybe we can have the talk on digital conditions.
Maybe you're familiar with my thesis that all of COVID was driven by digital conditions, by which I don't mean just a metagenomic transcript that created the non-existent virus.
I don't mean the PCR. All those are AI tools or molecular computer-based tools.
But rather, the people were persuadable because their sense of self and their sense of being...
And the sense of the strength of their own bodies had been so chopped up by exposure to digital conditions that when someone came along and said there's going to be a virus that's going to get you all, it was like going into a room full of people high on acid and telling them there was a demon that was going to come and steal their souls.
They would certainly be frightened if you said that.
Yeah, no, people fell right for it.
But it was also, I think, a lot of people, since we're going into the spiritual realm here, An authority figure in their lives, right?
Like, maybe they had daddy issues or mommy issues or whatever, and they just loved to still live as children, but they wanted government to tell them it was all going to be okay if they just obeyed.
All you have to do is obey, do what you're told, and then you're going to be fine.
Turns out if you obeyed, you might be dead by now.
Yeah.
You know, so obedience is actually a death wish.
Yeah, so there you go.
So there's that kind of an issue, and digital makes people more susceptible to tribalism.
Tribal mentality.
But then the virus becomes everyone's excuse for why they're sick.
Yeah.
So they're doing the same thing that the New York State Health Department did.
They'll be sick and they'll say, well, it's a virus.
It has nothing to do with the fact that they may not be sleeping or they live on Hot Pockets or whatever else they may do, how they may live.
They may be stressed out and unhappy.
Blame it on a virus.
And so there's a victimization mentality that surrounds all discussions of the virus.
But that's brilliant because there is, in so many humans today, there is this willingness to sort of offshore responsibility for your life, right?
So they want to say, well, some external factor is in charge of my condition, not my choices.
And yet I see these people...
They go to the grocery store, they buy all this toxic laundry detergent, toxic foods, toxic substances, and then they go to the doctor and the doctor will tell them, well, there's nothing you could have done to stop cancer.
It's just magical.
It just spontaneously happened.
I'm like, aren't you the people that believe in cause and effect and strict scientific thinking, but you say cancer happens without cause?
Without cause?
Really?
Because that's not a scientific pillar, is it?
No.
No, there's no effect without some cause.
And I realize that digital conditions, there's a lot of people, no cause and effect exists, the Beatles never wrote a single song.
But, in fact, when you have an effect, something created, something or combination of factors created that effect.
There's no getting around that.
Can you identify them?
Maybe some you can identify.
Some you can't.
For example, with chemicals like dioxin, there's a lot of receptor mediation that goes on.
And so it partly depends upon the condition of the person or the animal.
There's greater and lesser susceptibility.
I mean, honestly, even though the cancer rate is pretty high, I'm really amazed at the resilience of the human body being exposed to all the chemicals that it's exposed to in this time.
And most people are still up walking around.
I mean, does that ever amazing, like how bad it is, but people are still up and walking around?
Well, the human body is incredibly resilient, that's for sure.
You know, it's designed to self-repair.
But I'm struck by the mass hysteria effect of all of this.
So, you know, think about like the Salem witch trials, you know, and there have been documented cases of so-called outbreaks that were just sort of like a shared hysteria.
Schools of children where one student started shivering and shaking and had convulsions, and then suddenly 20 other students had convulsions.
And it was like, your mind is making it real, everybody.
Your mind is making it real.
And then when the media comes along and says, you're all going to die from COVID if you don't get a vaccine, a lot of people, they're so mentally weak that those Jedi mind tricks work on them.
They don't even have to be in a week.
So I'll tell you that the first document listed in the chronology, I'm the author of the chronology.
Would you be kind enough to link to that when we come to time for linking?
Give me the URL. We'll link it, yeah.
So I authored, and I'll see if I can send you this document.
But the first document listed in a chronology of COVID, which goes back to 2006. Is a memo from the Department of Homeland Security, July 5th, 2006, about mass psychogenic illness.
There you go.
Can I put this in the...
Is there a way to message this to you?
Send it to me after the interview, and I'll have my producer put it in the description.
Okay, so it's Wednesday, July 5th, 2006. For official use only, one of those UFO UO... Fear of terrorist attack could trigger mass psychogenic illness.
Wow, psychogenic, huh?
Yeah, it's called mass psychogenic illness.
And they give four examples of mass psychogenic illness, one in Japan, one in California, and then I think two from Eastern Europe, where the mere mention of a toxin on the news, in one case, sent people all over Tokyo into hospitals.
Whoa.
Hundreds of people responding to hospitals when they were nowhere near the train station where there was supposed to be some kind of a toxic release.
And they were sent with symptoms.
They went with symptoms presenting.
That's how powerful psychogenic illness is.
And then in California, some wacko went into the bank and like sprayed hairspray or something in the bank.
And said, you know, this is poison.
We're going to kill you all.
And there was nothing.
They found no trace of any known toxin, but people got symptoms from this.
So this is a study in mass psychogenic illness described as a national security threat.
Thank you, Julian Assange, for digging up this.
I found this on WikiLeaks.
Frankly, I don't even know how I found it on WikiLeaks, but that's where it is on WikiLeaks.
So let's talk about what's required for this mass psychogenic illness.
One news report.
But I mean, psychologically, in the person, there's a requirement that they believe in false authority.
Like, they have to believe the authority.
Otherwise, their mind won't make it real.
The authority was saying that there was no chemical.
They were just having a response.
The authority didn't say.
In the California instance, nobody reported that it was a toxin.
They said it was a wacko who said he had some poison.
Oh, so they just believed the wacko.
That's all it took.
Yeah, that's what Matt said.
And in Tokyo, I was not there, but there was a release.
Somebody sprayed sarin in one train station.
Yeah, the sarin gas attack.
Yeah, that's kind of famous in Tokyo.
Yeah, but the part that's not known is that people were going to the hospital all over the city of Tokyo, and they might have been 15 miles away from the sarin gas attack, and nobody was trying to convince them that they were under any form of threat.
To the contrary, they were saying, oh, the incident was way over on the other part of town.
And so...
And the thing with that, it only took one day's news reports to get that effect.
People are very susceptible to this.
The mind-body link is a strong link.
Yeah, but I would say that people are programmed by media to be that susceptible, right?
Like, this is not a normal human condition.
Well, yes.
Thank you.
Exactly.
Yeah, and electronic media makes them weak and weak and susceptible.
But you could find, it was the dancing plague.
Did you ever read about this?
The dancing plague?
Where there's mysterious conditions in Europe and people would like, there's a word for it, like hypotercosp, and they would dance for hours and hours.
What?
Wait a second.
Contagious dancing behavior?
Is that what?
Well, that proves virology right there.
Spencer Stevens dug this out.
Okay.
Yes.
One of the greatest Planet Whips reporters in the history of the company.
Dancing Plague.
It's famous.
You look it up, it'll come right up in Wikipedia.
It's true.
We're going to have to look at that one.
Dancing Plague.
I'm familiar with like fainting goats.
We need that now.
I call for, as your president, I call for a Dancing Plague.
If I am the chairman of HHS. I will insist that we let out that we open up that bottle and let the dancing plague out of the jar.
Trump is already dancing.
He's doing the chicken dance or whatever with his hands.
That could go viral.
Well, it kind of has gone viral.
It has gone viral.
Eurythmia.
That's not really getting into it completely spaced out.
It's more convulsions, I think, is the thing.
Convulsion dancing.
We could start the whole thing right here.
Whoever he may be.
Okay.
But the point is that people's minds are ridiculously susceptible to suggestion.
In other words, mass hypnosis.
I mean, another way to say psychogenic illness is mass hypnosis.
Yeah, that's fair.
In essence, right?
Yes, but they have biological symptoms.
But hypnosis also can, I mean, people can make it real.
Look, I mean, I wonder if a hypnotist is ever convinced someone they have hives, and the hives aren't actually...
Oh, yeah.
No, I've read about that.
Like poison ivy.
Fake poison ivy.
Yeah, and their skin would blister as if it was poison.
No, there's another famous experiment.
I don't recall who did it, but where a hypnotist would tell people that they were about to be touched by a burning cigarette, right?
But the person was blindfolded.
But it was just a pencil eraser back when we had pencils.
I would wince, too.
Yeah, but there would be a burn blister on some people.
That's the thing.
They would make it real.
There would be a burn blister.
So why don't we just acknowledge that this is an important thing about the human phenomenon?
Yeah, but imagine, right, the power if we can harness this for the positive, right?
Yes, which is why I want to emphasize that people appear to be incredibly resilient to dioxin, but not all of them.
That's the problem.
Good point.
If we're talking about an actual chemical release, it doesn't ever affect the population in an even-handed way.
It always affects the weakest people first and worst.
Which is then why you need to take care of yourself.
Really, I would say.
Well, you know, it's really interesting because I tend to dismiss conventional thinking and just power through things with willpower sometimes.
And I did have this accident where I almost lost my index finger like two years ago or something in a ranching accident.
And I mean, the whole thing was almost...
Gone, but the bone was still intact.
And I decided not to go to the emergency room.
I decided not to have any stitches.
I decided it didn't hurt.
And it never hurt.
Literally, I had zero pain the whole time.
And it healed back.
I used lion's mane mushroom and things that I believe in.
I believe in nutrition.
So I didn't have to convince myself.
I know lion's mane mushroom regrows nerves, whatever.
But if you were to look at my finger today, there's no scar.
There's no damage.
There's a little bit of a lack of mobility in one of the joints.
But I guarantee you, if I went to a doctor, a surgeon, and said, do you see any evidence that this finger was almost completely severed?
They would say, no, that never happened.
I guarantee you, if I could show you a close-up, I would.
Well, you are a brave person, and I will say that.
I mean, that's one of the few things that would get me into an ER. But, you know, maybe not.
But also, that is some testimony to your healing abilities.
That's good street creds, Mike.
Eric, the thing is, see, this gets to the positive power of belief, right?
I'm glad we're talking about this because, you know, I've studied tissue regeneration.
And we know there are so many other animals, like salamanders, that can just regrow not just their tails, but there are creatures that can regrow entire limbs.
And even in the human body, you can regrow your liver.
If you lose a third of your liver, it grows back.
And we're regrowing the hippocampus region of the brain all our lives.
So, just to have the understanding.
See, this is the power of belief.
The way I demonstrated it was, I know I can grow back nerves.
That's not even a question in my mind.
Whereas a person who doesn't believe that, their body probably wouldn't do that.
You know, the mind makes it real.
Good and bad.
Yeah.
And we need more testing of this.
Of course, we don't want to be chomping people's fingers off.
No, no.
I'm not suggesting.
Let's not try this at home.
No.
But, in fact, I told people, if this happens to you, you should go to the emergency room.
I said that.
But I said, there's no way I'm going to the emergency room because they're just going to want to jab me.
Yeah.
You know?
This was during the COVID years.
I'm like, no way.
Right.
But the power of, I mean, there are legit stories of miraculous healing, miraculous strength, mothers saving children by lifting cars.
I mean, the supernatural is not supernatural.
It's natural.
I mean, right?
The supernatural is all around us all the time.
Course in miracles.
Principles of miracles.
Right.
Miracles are natural.
If they don't occur, something's gone wrong.
And manifestation is natural.
It's normal.
It's normal for your consciousness to imprint something in the universe.
Yeah.
At least I believe that.
What do you think?
Well, we're here.
How did that happen?
Yeah.
Right.
We have no explanation for that.
So we certainly have manifested this whole experience in some way.
I don't think it's a freak accident.
No, I hope not.
It would be a lot of energy going into a freak accident.
But, I mean, what do our viewers take from this?
Here we are talking about some pretty wild topics that are clearly not mainstream, but our audience is very open-minded, very educated, and they understand that a lot of this knowledge has been withheld from us.
But, Eric, how do we make this practical?
What can they do with what we've talked about here?
Well, I'm not entirely sure, but I would say that I think it's important to live with a sense of purpose for your own life and to do the things you know you need to do.
We talk a lot about doing things we want to do, but I think most people really need to do the things that they need to do.
For themselves and to realize that your life on this planet is a fleeting experience, certainly for the planet and shorten up for us.
And you can connect with why you came here and live that out despite all these trappings that seem to be around you.
And I think at the beginning you do it a little bit every day.
And as far as the little bit and a little bit more, as far as the digital experience.
It really is about bringing love into the dream.
McLuhan said this more and more throughout his – Marshall McLuhan throughout his career as a philosopher, which is that we do need to understand that we are completely under the thrall of electrical media and we're becoming digital people who believe we can catch a digital virus.
And the only antidote to being in the digital environment is to bring creativity into the digital environment, to cease to be a consumer.
Or to cut back the consumption and to bring your original mark, something beautiful about you or life.
I don't mean sharing cat videos, which I love to watch, but I really mean doing something that is yours and all yours and bringing that to your digital experience so that you're giving something into the environment rather than just letting it deplete you.
And turn you into a kind of a numb zombie in a trance.
You come out of a trance when you become an artist.
I completely agree with you.
And there you have a keyboard in your background.
And I write a lot of music.
I have since I was six.
And it's perfect.
I actually have a new song that I'm going to attach on the end of our interview here.
It's called Do What We Say.
I am so happy to hear you're a musician.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, music's been part of my life since childhood.
And it's the most joyful thing that I do is creating music.
It's because it's the expression of humanity.
It's that creativity.
It's channeling the cosmos, right?
The muse.
Yeah.
But I wrote this song about the COVID years.
It's called Do What We Say.
And then how to resist that, how to learn to think for yourself.
You know what?
I'll send you an mp3 of the song.
Of course, I use AI augmentation for the music and the vocals, but as a musician, I can do things with AI that a non-musician perhaps would not be able to get out of the AI engine, right?
So I think you'll love this song.
I'll put it on the end of this interview here for people to enjoy.
It's called Do What We Say, and it's tongue-in-cheek.
Eric, I just...
I just want to thank you for this conversation.
We started off with, you know, fires in California.
We ended up with the universe through consciousness, you know.
So that's a pretty good, pretty good range, huh?
Yeah.
Good stuff.
Yeah.
And, you know, but we're not, this is why we're the alternative media.
We get to think about things like this.
That's true.
Mike, thank you so much.
Thank you.
And hello to everyone.
I know a lot of people, they're like, oh, I know that person.
They see me on your channel and they, you know, sometimes listen to my channel.
To those of you who are already listening to Planet Waves listeners.
Yeah, planetwaves.fm, correct?
Planetwaves.fm.
Okay, here it is.
Part of the Pacifica Network.
New program coming Tuesday.
Okay, perfect.
Planetwaves.fm is where people can find you.
And Eric, I just want to thank you for your, you know, just really the fun and informative attitude that you bring.
We always have a great time talking about anything.
And I love what we covered today.
So thank you for your time.
Good.
Yep, my pleasure.
Anytime, Mike.
All right.
Thank you so much and take care.
And for those of you watching, I hope you enjoyed this conversation with Eric Coppolino there from planetwaves.fm.
And feel free to share this interview on other platforms.
You have our permission to do so.
And you can check out more broadcasts, podcasts, interviews, and coming up, some pretty awesome AI augmented music at brighteon.com.
And yeah, I'll put on the end here, do what we say.
And I'll have a music video done in a couple of weeks for you that goes along with that, which is going to be like robotic humans with puppet strings going through the motions of life.
It's going to be really hilarious.
But anyway, enjoy the song.
Do what we say.
Take care.
Take care.
You must obey.
Don't question anything.
Do what we say.
Do what we say.
You trusted them to have your interests at heart.
They kept truth buried, obscured in the dark.
Promises whispered, but hiding deceit.
The lies overwhelming, the truth incomplete.
They've stolen your future by cloud in your mind.
Dark spells place you in a sorcerer's mind.
Demanded obedience, feigned your consent.
Pummelled your soul till your spirit was sent.
Don't stand too close, don't speak out loud, don't think too much, just do what we say Don't be yourself, you must obey, don't question anything, do what we say Do what we say Just do what we say They weaponized everything to crush your soul's freedom
Anyone who spoke out, they cut 'em and bleed 'em They grabbed 'em and jabbed 'em, the hospitals had them Ventilated to death while the coroners tagged 'em But you didn't buy it, you saw through the mist You dared to resist like your spirit insists, you won't be dismissed
refused to be blind Eyes wide open for the very first time Don't stand too close We're
with the world at large set off knowledge explosions like a depth charge so much potential that's hidden within you unlock the future and reach for the stars don't stand too close Don't speak out loud.
Don't think too much.
Just do what we say.
Don't be yourself You must obey Don't question anything Do what we say Just do what we say Now stand up tall And speak out loud Unleash your touch
And do what you say Just be yourself Do not obey Question everything Do what you say
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