Del Bigtree joins Mike Adams to discuss the MAHA movement, Sec. Kennedy's confirmation...
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Welcome to today's interview here on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, the founder of Brighteon.com.
And today we're joined by a very special guest, a man who deserves a great applause for his role in a major victory that has just been achieved for America, which is the confirmation of RFK Jr. as head of HHS. And of course, our guest Del Bigtree has done much more than that, exposed a lot of things.
A lot of FOIA requests that have exposed many very important facts about the vaccine industry.
And, of course, he is the founder and host of The High Wire.
Welcome to the show today, Del.
It's an honor to have you on.
Mike, it's always an honor to get to speak with you, too.
Thanks for having me.
I'm so happy to be able to have this opportunity with you.
I know you're busy.
I wish we'd do this more often sometimes, but I know you're flying back and forth probably from D.C. Busy schedule.
You were just there.
I saw your speech.
Right after the confirmation.
And what I loved about that speech is that you were just hammering the vaccine industry.
Hammering them.
And I was sitting there thinking, that is just so awesome.
That's what I want to hear.
And I'll turn it over to you in a second, but I want to underscore the importance of right now, like, please tell us about what historic moment has just been achieved.
And then this pivot for America's future, what does this mean for us?
And, you know, where do we even begin to go from here?
Yeah, Mike, thank you for this opportunity.
Of course, you know, I spent the last two and a half years at Robert Kennedy Jr.'s side.
I was his director of communications.
I've stood on many stages through the years with him talking about vaccines and other health issues.
Of course, he gets labeled as anti-vax.
It's the only topic that the media ever wanted to talk about.
He got lambasted with that topic as he was running for president of the United States first as a Democrat.
And then we realized the system was rigged inside of the Democratic Party.
They weren't actually going to have any real debates.
They weren't looking for anyone to...
You know, overcome Biden.
And so we moved into the independent space and, of course, ultimately ended up with President Trump.
And we can get into any of those parts of that conversation you want.
But in that journey, you know, we were always talking about what happens if you get there.
And for people that really need to know, Robert Kennedy Jr. really was running for president just so he could get in control of HHS. Really?
So, yeah, I mean, you know, it was really all about health.
Of course, I mean, he did, there's a few other outlying issues.
He didn't like the war in Ukraine, and he didn't like censorship.
But the heart of why he wanted to be there started, he and I had a conversation.
I actually told him I thought he should run for president the last election, saying...
I think that we're going to be censored and we're starting to really make ground.
If you ran for president, we could bring a spotlight to the conversations that are sort of being muzzled throughout COVID. He called me, of course, just over two years ago and said, you know, that idea you had, Del, I'm considering doing that now.
And so I was in several meetings as he was seeking guidance from a lot of his friends and family, whether he should do that or not.
But at the heart of it always was what he said powerfully in the speech as he stepped down and suspended his campaign for president.
He said, for 20 years, I've been praying every morning that God would give me the opportunity to end this chronic disease epidemic, this calamity, he called it.
And that is true.
Being with him has always been the most important issue.
So I was standing there in the Oval Office as he was swearing in, which was just a blessing to have that opportunity.
But I remember thinking...
For me, and maybe for him, but certainly for the world, I think it's even bigger that he hasn't just won the presidency, which people could have said, well, that was because of his Ukraine position or whatever other things that he's done a lot of reading and writing and speaking on.
In fact, he's taking the most powerful position.
I think you could argue the HHS secretary is the most powerful position in health.
In the entire world, which is the most controversial position he holds, which is he's questioned the safety of the vaccine program and some of the vaccines and the chemicals in our food.
So for this guy to take that spot is really, I would say, one of the closest things to a miracle.
Any of us have ever witnessed and to be a part of his messaging throughout that and see him end up there, I think, I mean, truly I believe God is good and I don't think we're here without the grace of God.
Completely.
That sometimes freaks people out, but I think it's huge.
It's bigger than all of us.
Thank you for mentioning the presence of God in our lives because that's a, I believe that's a big part too.
I think we have angelic protection in this effort as long as we are true to protecting.
Human life and protecting children and so on.
And yeah, I mean, you know, I've been doing this since 2003, and I never actually thought that we could achieve this.
I really didn't.
I mean, I thought I would spend my whole life fighting against a system that was totally rigged by big pharma, totally rigged by vaccine lies, narratives, harming children, causing autism, that the government would always be opposed to the truth, that there would always be cover-ups.
And that's what we've lived through, Del.
All of us have lived through those years.
And for the first time, I feel like there's at least an opportunity that this could begin to change.
What do you say?
I feel that that's true.
I think we're seeing it.
I mean, you're seeing the news as having to play President Trump saying at that swearing in.
I love that.
said, we're no longer gonna push the mass vaccination program.
Love that.
We're gonna recommend, we think vaccinations are in your hands.
I mean, that is astronomical shift.
I mean, that is a seismic shift in an entire state, and I think you'll see more follow that will recognize, yeah, this should be a choice.
We should be getting back to informed consent.
I think when we watched the removal of red dye number three, which happened right before Bobby was confirmed, I think all of these things are showing us that there's a shift, and it's not really...
You know, there's a lot of pressure, and we'll talk about what Bobby can actually do.
But when I was asked over the last couple of weeks while I was in Washington, D.C., by the press, well, what can Robert Kennedy Jr. really do?
I said, it's already happening.
Red dye number three shows you that it's more than just being about Bobby Kennedy.
It's the fact that he represents the voice of the people.
It's what he ran on.
And now, what happened that all of a sudden, after 10 years of everyone in the FDA recognizing red dye number three is toxic and poisonous?
Well, it's because it's not about Bobby as much as it's about the pressure of the people are now watching.
You got it.
The entire game has changed because we are engaged with government again.
I would say to them, if I stopped a thousand people on the street and said, who was the last HHS secretary, how many people would be able to answer that?
And every reporter said, I don't know, probably zero.
I said, stop them and ask them who's going to be the HHS secretary or who is now.
And they said, yeah, a lot of people know Robert Kennedy Jr. That's not about Robert Kennedy Jr. That's about...
And frankly, it's about Donald Trump.
I mean, we've got to look at whether or not you're on the side that absolutely is angry and hates Trump or you love President Trump.
We've all got to give President Trump the kudos for getting us all involved.
Now, everybody's engaged.
What's happening?
What are they saying?
You know, I got to watch who I'm voting for.
It all really matters.
Well, hello, America.
Welcome back.
Welcome back to the process.
And that's what's important.
Very well said.
And I'm on the record saying that the number one reason to vote for Trump was to get RFK Jr. in as head of HHS. And I took a little bit of heat for that quote, but I believe that too.
Because you and I understand that if you don't have a healthy nation, you don't have a healthy economy, you don't have a healthy military, you don't have healthy technology, right?
I mean, health has to be the pillar of a nation.
We talk about make America great again or make America healthy again.
Health has to be the pillar.
We can't just keep poisoning our children and expect to be healthy.
But let me ask you this question that I'm sure you've had to field this question.
I've had to field this question.
There are, I'm not going to name names, but there are certain people that are just sort of just hating on RFK all the time for the things that he said in the confirmation hearings.
I tell these people, you know, chill out.
Just chill out.
Those were trials.
But how, I mean, I've said in my own words, not representing Bobby or you or anybody, but I've said, look, just as an example, if I were a prisoner of war captured by an enemy and they were interrogating me, could I ethically withhold information in order to protect my country or my fellow soldiers, right?
I was talking about the ethics of what you say to captors.
You know, first of all...
Getting a front row seat to the politics, which is, I've always been opinionated.
I sit on my couch and watch the news like most people.
But to really be on the inside, I was privy to a couple of conversations where I just thought, wow, this is really hard.
This is really hard.
There were conversations that came up in those hearings.
Robert Kennedy Jr. is a known Democrat.
He grew up that way.
He is a pro-choice person himself.
And I watched the conversations around how you need to answer that in order to make people happy.
And the thing I will say about Bobby is the guy is not designed to lie.
You know, you find yourself, as I think you and I would, I think I hold myself in high, you know, my integrity and my ethical perspective in high regard.
So you have to think in your head, what am I really saying and what is it I mean?
And he was very careful.
We could break down how he was careful about the way he answered those questions.
But in that meeting, I just watched and I thought to myself, wow, you really cannot get.
A major job in this government without drowning a baby.
I know that's a harsh way to put it, but I watch there's things that you just, you realize you're going to be asked, how important is this to you?
And then the question in politics ends up being, you know, if you give here and you give there and you, you know, you compromise this, at what point have you absolutely lost your way?
And, you know, I think that that's the conversation, I mean, that's the question that you hope every politician's asking every day they have that job, but you can see those that just go astray, that lost their efforts.
Like, when I was watching Elizabeth Warren just grilling Bobby, and, you know, I actually loved her.
I originally loved her.
I remember her whole thing was, like, getting rid of these, like, 27% interest rates on credit cards, and I was watching her, I thought...
Hey, Elizabeth, whatever happened to that issue?
I still see, you know, if I'm not paying attention or, you know, you have a card too long, you don't switch out.
You're up at, like, these, like, you know, you know, mob rates.
It never changed.
So where did that battle go, Elizabeth?
Why are you grilling on him?
He wants to do something about health.
Why don't you go back and fix the one thing you ran on that you've not been there decades and have done nothing about?
So those are the types of things you ask yourself, like, where do they lose their way?
Well, with Bobby...
Look, he had to get that job.
And I was a little frustrated.
I'm all about, we should all, I'm into free speech.
You should express, you know, your position.
But when one of your own, when you're, when waging war the way we have, when you finally get all the tribes, I always think it's a little bit like Game of Thrones or something.
When we get all the clans to come together, we're finally going to take a castle.
Can we wait till our, you know, our SEAL team gets all the way inside that castle before we start screaming and demanding answers?
I think there was a lot of frustration that he stopped talking about vaccinations coming to the end and only talked about food.
Frankly, from my perspective, it gave him just the palatable cover he needed.
For a larger part of America, for the Senate, for these people, something they could wrap their heads around.
The vaccine issue takes a long time to understand if you're brand new to it.
And when you only have a couple hours in a hearing, that is not the place.
And you're being cut off.
Only you get a couple seconds.
You're not going to get to teach that lesson you want to teach.
So let's stick to something we all understand, which is food.
You and I, you know, go ahead.
I just want to mention this incredible moment.
Of RFK Jr. during the hearings where he was talking to Senator Sanders.
You know the moment I'm talking about where he said, but you've taken money from big pharma PACs.
And Sanders, at least in my perspective, just flat out lied or deceived people saying, well, I've never taken money from pharma CEOs.
Well, that's a distinction.
He's taken money from pharma-funded PACs.
He's one of the largest recipients of that money.
And frankly, all of us, all of us, Del, I think you as well, we were all sitting on the sidelines cheering and saying, like, when is Bobby just going to call them out for taking money from big pharma?
And why are those senators so corrupt that they can take money from pharma and then they can vote on somebody that affects big pharma?
And at the end of the day, and I'll turn it back to you, Del, at the end of the day, when people ask me this question, I say, look, it's very simple.
Bobby, I hope you don't mind me calling him Bobby, just for convenience.
No, I do too.
Okay.
Or Secretary Kennedy.
I said, Secretary Kennedy is not working for the Senators.
He's working for you.
He's working for America.
I believe I know the man's heart.
And his heart is working for you, the people.
He had to answer the Senators.
He had to go through the trials with the Senators.
But that's not his boss.
We are his boss.
What would you say to that?
I think you're absolutely right.
If there's one person I've ever met in my life that...
I can say has always shown that he is fighting for the people.
I mean, forget about the last couple of weeks where people wanted to like mince his words or look at what he was saying and not saying.
He spent decades destroying his, I mean, this guy has been dragged through the mud, tarred and feathered on the issue of vaccines.
He didn't need to be there.
He was a Kennedy.
He was on, he was, the Democrats wanted to be Senator of New York and he handed it to Hillary Clinton.
This guy had the whole world in his hands.
If he'd have just stayed away from the vaccine issue.
And then when he got into it, he never let it go.
He never said, you know what?
They got the mercury out of vaccines.
I'm moving on.
He recognized that there was still continued issues and stood with those parents of injured children.
All the way to the end.
And I'm a little frustrated, I have to say, with some of the newcomers that, you know, finally recognized during COVID that there was a problem.
And they're saying that somehow they have the purity test.
And where's Robert Kennedy Jr.?
I wanted to say, where were you over the decades?
Some of you giving vaccines to children, you know, totally missing this.
So it just, you know, what window are we judging through?
What is the timeline we're looking at?
If you look at the body of this man's work.
We shouldn't be judging him by the last seconds.
As I said, he's breaching the castle.
Let's look at the entire body and say, is this someone we can trust?
I absolutely know that to be the case.
But frankly, I was just thinking, who else are you going to trust?
I mean, if not him, then who?
If he doesn't get in there, then what?
What happens then?
Let's judge him after he's had the job.
Let's see if he follows through.
And I think if you watch how he answered the questions, when he was really grilled by Senator Cassidy, who he really needed was on the side of the Republicans, by Elizabeth Warren and others, will you admit that vaccines do not cause autism?
And he kept saying, show me the science.
If I see the science, You know, that says that I'd be the first to admit it.
And it really frustrated that the science, I think Sanders said at one point, my understanding is that science exists.
And I want you to say it right now.
You want me to say something based on your understanding?
You know, it was an outrageous statement.
But you watched how Bobby really brilliantly, he is a lawyer, you know.
Walked that line and didn't, you know, he didn't just concede and say, okay, I'll say it.
He said, show me the science.
As you and I both know, that science he's looking for, we've all been looking for it.
And no matter...
Who thinks it exists?
There's a reckoning coming to the United States of America.
There's a reckoning coming to the Senator Cassidy, who my heart goes out to him.
You can feel his passion.
You know he cares about children.
You know he feels like vaccines have been really great.
But we also watched an incredible shift, as I brought up in my speech, my press conference speech, where Rand Paul really challenged Cassidy on the- Hepatitis B vaccine that Cassidy brought up, pointing out that this is a sexually transmitted disease.
Why are we giving it to day one old babies if the mother is not hepatitis B positive?
Then this is an issue for prostitutes and heroin users, needle sharing people.
Why would a baby?
And Cassidy right there on television said...
Okay, well, maybe, I mean, I would agree.
You shouldn't have to get it if we've tested every mother and she's hepatitis B negative.
But that was amazing, Mike, because it shows what an actual conversation can accomplish.
A guy that thinks he's dug in recognizes, oh, you pointed out a flaw in my argument.
That's all Robert Kennedy Jr. is going to do.
He knows that.
He knows where the flaws are that these people haven't thought about yet.
This is what I love about, I think.
A lot of the context of the answer that Bobby gave the senators was, my decisions are going to be data-driven.
Now, I love that.
You love that, Del, because we know what the data show.
Now, the senators think they know what the data show, but it turns out they don't.
They've only been given one side of the story.
The data actually do not support their claim that all vaccines are safe and effective.
The data, and then...
Secretary Kennedy announcing is going to sort of rework the VAERS system.
So a question to you, Del, on this.
If he's going to be data-driven, which we all agree with, right?
I mean, you and I, for sure.
What do you suppose the data will show in short order when there's an actual working surveillance system that every injury is recorded?
You know, what's that going to show?
Well, as you well know, I think you know this because I've talked about it a lot and I think it's on your radar, but the CDC paid to have the VAERS system, which you're talking about, Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System.
This is our post-marketing data collection system that Bobby says he's going to upgrade.
What does he mean by that?
Well, the CDC paid Harvard Medical School a million dollars to do a study on...
How well is VAERS working and could it be fixed?
And what they discovered in their investigation using their own HMO for Harvard Medical School, it's called the Harvard Pilgrim System, when they analyzed it and looked at, you know, the VAERS, what doctors were reporting as injuries, they came to the conclusion that VAERS is capturing less than 1% of the total amount of actual vaccine injuries.
So that is a shocking number when you look every year.
You know, tens of thousands of allergic reactions and all sorts of Bell's palsy and things like that.
But just looking at those deaths.
What if that's only 1% of the total amount of injuries happening?
And by the way, are we putting up with 400 deaths?
And what's amazing is that once Harvard came to that conclusion and they were ready to build an automated system where VAERS just, as soon as reports come in of anomalies right after vaccination over the next,
really it should be the next six months I think at least, it just goes into the VAERS system and then That doesn't mean it happened from the vaccine, but we should be every single strange event that happens with a child after they've been vaccinated, they suddenly develop a peanut allergy or maybe they're having seizures.
They didn't have seizures for the first four years of their life, but then right after vaccination or three months later, if the VAERS system was doing what it's supposed to do, it collects all that data from everybody.
The VAERS system tells doctors, your job is not to decide whether one of these events is caused by the vaccine.
Put every event in, and then we'll analyze it.
Now think about where we're at.
Now we're with, you just built an incredible AI, which could be world-changing.
But we have AIs.
We have computer learning.
We're the home of Microsoft and Apple.
Surely now, if we were putting every event that happened in a person's life.
After vaccination, but after taking drugs or after surgery, we would now start to see, well, one person doesn't tell us something, but a hundred does, a thousand does, a million do.
And now we start saying, hey, look, we are seeing, you know, after this certain point, maybe it's a blood type.
Maybe we see that.
Be negative people that ate, you know, green beans on the same day they got a COVID vaccine.
Who knows?
You nailed it, Del.
But we have the capability of studying it if we're taking that data in.
This is critical.
This is critical.
Because what Elon Musk and Doge have done to the Treasury and to USAID, and also, by the way, Lee Zeldin, the new head of EPA, has uncovered $20 billion in waste and fraud.
AI tools exist right now.
I mean, Elon Musk has got the best team.
I believe, I'm just throwing this out there publicly, if RFK Jr. were to just ask Elon Musk, hey, bring your team into HHS. Let's go to town with the AI data crawlers, okay, on NIH, NIAID, CDC, FDA. You know what they would uncover?
Oh my goodness!
And Dell, yeah, we're releasing an AI engine.
We don't have access to all the government data, but we do have now, we have almost the entire corpus of every English written scientific study that's ever been published.
We've just about got that nailed.
And we're talking hundreds of terabytes of data.
And yeah, our AI is going to be obviously the best nutrition and natural health trained AI in the world, which includes...
Training on autism and vaccines and mercury and so on.
RFK will love it, absolutely.
But somebody needs to have a tool and go into HHS computers.
Like, that would be just mind-blowing, what they would find.
I think, I believe that's going to happen.
Wow.
You know, I know Robert Kennedy Jr. I know we've already had these conversations.
I know he's having those conversations with, you know, Marty McCary and Dr. Mehmet Oz, who wants to go in to the largest expenditure we have at CMS, the Medicare-Medicaid program.
I mean, $4 trillion or something.
I mean, it depends on what number you're looking at.
I mean, just massive expenses there and bloated spending.
You know, I was working to try and assist Bobby by putting forward people I thought could be good in certain departments.
And we looked at the list of people that he had to change out between 250 and 300 positions.
But he is overseeing 80,000 employees.
Can we?
You know, I mean, there was things like, I looked up like Indian Health, right?
This is the Native American Health Services.
It was something like an $8.9 billion budget per year.
And I, you know, my last name is Big Tree because my mother's Mohawk comes from the Iroquois Nation, upstate New York.
This is an issue that's close to me.
It's always mattered to her.
We always traveled to reservations.
My whole life went camping and visited.
Native cultures all around America.
And I looked at that $8.9 billion and I thought, have you ever been to a reservation?
These are the, they're literally the sickest people in America, which means they are the sickest people in the world.
And I just thought $8.9 billion, how about just put in a grocery store?
These people live in a food desert, put in a safe way.
What does that cost?
What are we spending this money on?
It's just things like that.
Or teach like local.
Decentralize agriculture.
Seriously.
Get Representative Thomas Massey in on this, too, with the USDA. We can grow clean, healthy food, and we can teach people how to do that, and we can do it everywhere across America.
I'm right there with you on that critical point.
But about this issue of people needing to have patience, okay?
So, you know, I'm somewhat active on Twitter or X. I mean, I don't live on the site.
You can burn a lot of hours doing stupid things there.
But I've seen a lot of people claiming, well, everybody's got a list of what they want RFK to do tomorrow.
And, of course, I have a list too, but I'm not claiming that he has to do it tomorrow.
This is going to take time, is it not?
This is a massive bureaucracy that took a century to put in place.
Yeah, I mean, and first of all, it's amazing he's there.
And I would say whatever he achieves while he's there is better than we would have without him being there.
We all have a giant list of miracles we'd like to see happen.
I hope they do.
There's no cure by electing somebody.
In the end, it's going to be power of the people.
What do you and I and those around?
What does America do to make ourselves healthy again?
We'll talk about that in a minute.
But what I want to say, and these are some of the conversations we have, and I'm definitely not advising him now.
I spent my time advising him.
You know, throughout his presidential run, really right at the end, I jumped into a super PAC so I could raise money to run some commercials and make sure his voters moved over to President Trump and didn't vote for him because the DNC was suing us to keep us on the ballot to create confusion.
That was insane.
Yeah, I remember that.
That was insane.
One of the things I think people really have to think about and put themselves in his shoes right now is that we live in a nation where no matter what leader we have in there, in four years oftentimes they're gone.
And we watch executive orders go in and wipe out everything that was just done by the last.
President Trump's doing that right now.
Biden did it when he came in.
And we're just, as Americans, we're just getting ponged back and forth.
Nothing is lasting.
It's childish.
It's like watching school children run the most important nation in the world.
Nothing has longevity.
We can't hold on to a set of principles that we can all agree to.
I think it's really critical because this issue is so important that Bobby has got to reach that other side of the aisle.
All of those Democrats, I think their politicians, even some of them are winking in the hallway saying, Bobby, I love what you're doing.
I gotta vote with the team, but you know I got your back.
I've known you for years.
We did environmental things together, which makes me want to puke.
But that is the way this game is played, and it's really unfortunate.
But if Bobby went in and did what some of the people are asking, which is, you know, brings in some of the more controversial doctors and has them run the FDA and the CDC, and those doctors who, by the way, have been outspoken and brilliant, but it looks like he has an agenda.
And so half the country won't even listen to those, be la la la, whatever is said by those people.
So I think he made a great decision In really picking doctors we all recognize from television in Dr. Oz, who's also, let's not forget, a world-renowned heart surgeon and knows what he's talking about, and Marty McCary and Dave Weldon.
These are people that have been really central, haven't been on Bobby's side.
People are like, oh, he's not bringing in the right people.
But what if?
You really want to move the nation.
Let's find doctors everyone trusts that have been giving them good information that they thought their whole lives and let them start to look at the studies.
Have them start looking at the data that you and I know exist and have them start talking about how their lives as doctors are being affected by what they see in that data.
Then you start moving the consciousness of the entire nation to the truth.
We don't want this to just be a Republican issue.
It's a national crisis.
77% of our kids can't pass to get into the military.
We're about to not be able to mount the standing army.
This is all of our problem.
But if you just go in and say, that vaccine's off the record, that one's off, let's cut that.
How long is that gonna last?
The very next administration, you're gonna panic all these people that are gonna be screaming bloody murder, and they can't wait till you're out there to just erase everything you just did.
Bobby, who's brilliant, is going to take us on a journey.
And in the end, I think through radical transparency as he describes it, he is going to get Americans, all Americans, to start demanding better science, more answers, and demanding that they get a right to look at this information and make the decisions for them and their own families.
Once he's done that, we have lasting change.
I like the way you said that.
And radical transparency is the answer to this.
Since we have entered the era of AI and data science, this is the right time in history to make those associations, some of which you described.
If we have the data about vaccine injuries, if doctors begin recording that, then the data scientists can tease out the correlations, right?
And if we have RFK there who will cooperate with that instead of covering it up, then that's the key difference.
But there's something I want to add to this, which is that all the people, all the moms and the dads, but it's mostly moms that do the grocery choices.
They may send the dad out to buy the groceries, but the mom is the one choosing what to buy often, right?
The moms also need to take responsibility.
We can't live in a society where all the parents, or at least a big part of the parents, just say, yeah, put my kid on a pill because he's hyperactive.
Or, yeah, let's just buy this processed food because it's more convenient and it's got a cartoon character on the cereal box.
Oh, my kid loves the cartoon character.
There's a tendency to say, and I see this in the MAGA movement, there's a tendency that Trump is going to save us.
We don't have to do Jack now.
Trump's our warrior.
Trump's our savior.
Trump's the new Jesus.
And I'm like, no, he's not.
And there's a tendency in Mahav to think that Bobby's going to do everything, and that's unfair to him, right?
Yeah.
We, like, everybody has to up their game.
Take responsibility for your food choice, for learning, getting the knowledge that you need to be a better parent, to be a healthier person, and to share that knowledge.
Doesn't that make a ton of sense?
Absolutely.
It's one of the things.
It's really, as I sort of, you know, parted ways with Bobby, it's what he put upon me and just said, You know, I'm in government.
I told them I didn't want...
It's just that place is not for me.
It's too slow, frankly.
I'm an action person.
But he said, as I'm doing the work inside of here, bringing radical transparency, getting the proper science done, putting all the databases so that the public and great scientists around the world have access to all that data so they can do the studies too.
Go out there.
This is a movement.
And he said to me, do what you do.
You try to inspire America to actually get involved with us.
They're the ones that have to get healthy.
Make America healthy again means we've got to inspire people to change their habits.
We're all in a habitual issue right now.
We're eating really crappy food.
We're learning.
Some of us, for the first time ever, learning that, as it turns out, Fruit Loops aren't good for you.
Okay.
And there's no fruit in them.
But we also have to have patience with those people.
I think that there's things that the government can do.
I hope they do things like say, look, if we're going to pay for your food through a food stamp program or SNAP or something like that, we're going to give you a class on how to eat.
And maybe we start talking about things like you can't spend government subsidies.
We're going to make sure you're eating whole foods.
There's a lot of logical things.
But for all of us, once I saw people speaking out about seed oils, I went to my cupboards.
Mike, we're a mostly organic family.
I do my best to make sure that it says organic.
I started opening this box and said...
Well, I'll be damned.
I'm packing myself full of seed oil.
So we all have something to learn at some point, and then you've got to start making those adjustments.
I'm exercising more because I'm traveling so much, and I realize, look, I'm taking up, you know, and by the way, traveling with Bobby, he can do, you know.
He can do more pull-ups than I can with me riding on his back.
The guy's like an incredible...
Yeah, he's in great shape.
Incredible shape.
But yeah, it's upon all of us, right?
I hope we can make, and you and I and everybody that's been talking about health for years...
I hope we can inspire America to see this as a moment to become that great nation again.
When you think back to those photos of the JFK times when he challenged America to get healthy, challenged them to be able to walk the 50-mile walk, and you see the images of a beach and everybody looks healthy.
I don't think laziness is the biggest problem there.
We have definitely been poisoning people.
These chemicals in our food, we know in rat studies, is creating obesity.
But now that we know what's doing that, and as you and I and those of us and Bonnie Horace and all these great thought leaders saying, hey, this food's not good.
Eat this instead.
We've got to make those adjustments.
We've got to put up with the crying child for a moment and say, yeah, I'm taking the colorful food away.
As it turns out, I'm...
Finally recognizing I haven't been doing you any benefits, and you may cry for the first couple days, but we'll get over it, and we're all going to do this thing together, you know?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And, you know, look, like, I don't expect everybody to drink my superfood smoothie that I've been making for 20 years.
You know, avocados, bananas, and turmeric, and, you know, like broccoli sprout powder and stuff like that.
But I'll tell you, if you do drink this...
You're never going to be obese.
You're not going to have inflammation.
You're going to have neuroprotective properties and anti-cancer properties.
And that, if we just let people know about that choice, right?
Just let them know.
And we've been, Del, we've been censored.
And you know this, and one of the reasons I really supported Bobby is because I know that he's been dragged through the censorship, you know, named like the top disinformation spreader and all this nonsense.
That's why I know I can trust him because he's been through it with us.
He's taken fire.
In effect.
And there's a lot of, we are the OG, right?
You and me and a lot of other people out there watching and attorneys like Jonathan Emord and so on.
We are the OG people in this movement.
We were talking about vaccines long before COVID when we were smeared and censored and disinvited from freaking Thanksgiving dinner.
You know what I mean?
We've been at this a long time and Bobby's been through it.
That's why I trust his heart.
Yeah.
I can tell you unequivocally, and I wouldn't say this, they say never meet your heroes.
Bobby was a hero of mine when I grew up in Boulder, Colorado.
My family are environmentalists.
I grew up in my parents' march in the 60s and talked about marching in Chicago for free speech and a right to choose your own education and to stop a war.
Bobby was a hero of mine growing up as a kid.
I watched his environmental work.
To be honored with standing by his side when he asked me to be his director of communications, it was an incredible moment.
But I spent two and a half years, I saw the ugliest side of what it would be.
And I will tell you, I'm more in awe of that man now than I was when I saw him from afar.
And I want...
To really say this, and I've said it a couple times publicly, that is the most spiritual man that I have ever seen decide to go into politics.
And I want to say, not religious.
That's a different term for me.
Someone who gets up every day and really walks with God.
And he talks about it, and I think it's one of the gifts of the horrific addiction that he went through after the assassination of his father.
He didn't handle it well, and we all know had, as he said, a heroin addiction.
I mean, who has ever gotten this high in government with that in your past?
But I will tell you, and this is a little insider scoop, Mike.
You know, I'm a big sort of bombastic, outrageous speaker.
I can get really fiery and people love it.
And, of course, I wanted Bobby, like this moment.
It's like, Bobby, if you just said it this way.
I mean, I was the director of communications.
And he's like, Del, I'm never going to do that.
And it took me a while to understand it.
But being around him, I realized that there's a self-aggrandizing that can be in that power and that excitement and getting a crowd all riled up.
And if you keep that in check, I think it's good.
I'm not going to change who I am.
But for Bobby, it's, I can tell, and this is just my, he's never said this.
This is my opinion.
I'm giving you really my inside perspective of him.
That in order, if he was to do that, the things that excite his ego or would like get ego engaged.
That brings about what he sees as almost a demon in his life.
It's that thing that robbed him of peace.
And he talks about how everything, putting the shopping cart away that he sees, you know, he can leave in the middle of the parking lot, but he doesn't because he wants to walk in divine guidance and not in self-will.
And I watched him in the worst of moments when things broke out or stories were being told about him, and he would just say, okay, What do we do now?
What are we going to say now?
What is our press release?
And I mean this.
The day after he was sworn in, had it been the exact opposite and at all he didn't get it and someone turned on him and the vote didn't come through, Bobby would really be the same person the next day because he has always just carried himself with it's God's will.
All I am, he said it, I'm Sisyphus.
I'm going to be here every day.
I'm going to push this stone up the hill.
I don't care what people say about me.
I don't care as long as I know I'm right with God and I'm doing what I believe is the next right step.
Then whatever happens to me, whatever fate comes, that is God's will.
I'm telling you, I've never met anyone that walks in that more completely in my life.
I've known some spiritual people.
It changed me.
It changed me being around him.
We had something break loose on High Wire where a big mistake was made by someone that I've worked with for years.
And, you know, after we dealt with it and I just said, okay, how are we going to fix this before it gets to be too big a problem?
And when it was all over, someone came up and said, you usually yell and scream at moments like that, Del.
And I was like, yeah, you're right, I do.
But being around Bobby...
I just realized, you know, this is a guy, he is sitting in that office right now, and he is only asking one question, not what is going to make the senators happy, what did I promise to this person?
He's asking himself right now, God, what is it I'm supposed to do right now?
And I assure you, we have someone that's listening to that voice.
That is a real sign of maturity and spiritual experience as well, and I admit at times I can get heated too.
I mean...
You hear it or see it in what I do.
I get animated because I get angry at the poisoners.
I get angry at the violence against children.
And of course, I believe my anger is righteous.
But yeah, sometimes that sweeps over me and I try to drink my smoothie and chill out.
And this is a process of what we're going through.
And let me just give you a chance to answer this too, because I... And just for the sake of our audience, I think one of the reasons that we're even talking today is because I did.
I criticized you on a tweet, which seems irrelevant at this point.
I only actually even bring it up because our audience will probably nail me if I don't bring it up.
But I was just saying, you were having a fundraiser for a ball and some of the tickets were higher price.
And I just said, you know, I just want to make sure, Del, that this movement is like...
That all the grassroots moms who don't have a lot of money are part of it.
And that's where I was coming from on that.
But go ahead and, you know, answer to however you want.
And I, you know, it was a fairly strong tweet, and I responded, you know, that I feel good about the work that I've done in this world, and let's have me on your show, and let's have this conversation.
And of course, it is, at this point, you know, mostly irrelevant.
But you know, Mike, you and I, through the years, We had calls during COVID where we were, you know, checking each other's science, you know, where are you at?
I don't understand why you're seeing that.
Sometimes because we are both passionate, it's, you know, it's passionate exchange.
I love that we have that relationship.
You know, as Bobby even said about his own family, you know, we should all be able to disagree about things but still love each other.
I do want to talk about that because it was a good question.
And I'm not afraid of the numbers.
We had the Maha Ball.
And at that ball, you could buy a table for $250,000.
There were single people that paid $35,000.
And then really, the lowest ticket was $500, which is all pretty expensive.
And you were saying, I think that's too expensive for this movement.
Well, there was a lot that we are trying to do with Maha, especially at that time.
Right now, I'm analyzing every database, every senator, every bill that's out there in order to present to people, here's the bills that we think you need to be looking at for Maha.
That's not cheap.
If you're going to hire professionals and then advertise and get into all that and dig through it, even on the high wire, I spend...
You know, six or seven million dollars every year suing the government, right?
And I've done that as a non-profit.
Thank God for all the people that support me.
And so that ball, in a very short period of time, we were trying to do a lot of things.
We had sponsors that had stem cell products that are amazing and vitamin companies.
That was not an issue for them to spend that kind of money.
And then, of course, the $500 tickets.
Those people that wanted to get there, found sponsors, made it happen.
But I also want to say this, Mike.
Washington, D.C. on inauguration night is one of the most expensive cities in the world.
It was a fortune to get there.
The entire place is locked down.
Every hotel was through the roof.
So it wouldn't even matter if you had a super cheap ticket.
No one could get near the place.
And what we thought is, let's make this a moment where all of these health leaders and stuff that are making decent money, telling their truths, let's get them all in a room and say, hey.
Maha is a movement.
This is about all of us coming together.
We want to use this moment, this microphone that Robert Kennedy Jr. has created.
Let's go out and work together.
And so that was the focus I've done.
I'll continue to do tons of speaking events for free.
Everywhere we go.
And you were right.
It's a perfectly good question, right?
Why so much?
Well, we were able to raise money that's going to allow us to do a lot of things that will be really good in the world.
And, you know, we had free dinners and things right after that anyone could have gone to.
I appreciate, you know, the thought and what I said is we're doing the best we can to raise funds.
And this is what it comes down to, Mike.
No matter what, we're against the most powerful lobby in the world and the most powerful lobby in Washington.
Pfizer is spending, when you look at the numbers that are coming out of Doge, if they ever really, and I'm sure they will get into HHS and FDA and what the NIH do, they spent tens of billions of dollars propagandizing our country, owning our television sets for the last four years.
Luckily, because of guys like you and me and Joe Rogan, and the list goes on and on and on, Robert Kennedy Jr. and President Trump used alternate media, used new media, whatever you want to call it, to overcome the largest propaganda campaign of hate and lies to overcome the largest propaganda campaign of hate and lies and deceit that has ever been.
Well, look, I think we should be using the tools that we can at the moments we can to, you know, get funds together to fight.
We're in a war of our lives here.
And at any moment ever, you know, Mike, I appreciate you keeping me in check, keeping us all.
We're all here to keep each other in check.
I am trying to do the best that I can do for humanity.
And that was what that ball was.
It was a beautiful event.
There was amazing people there.
There was autistic parents there that found their way there and paid for the tickets that they could afford.
And I'm going to continue to do the best that I can do under the circumstances and fight this battle all the way to the end.
I don't know how long.
I don't know how long I live on this earth.
All I know is the day that I'm in, and right now, we live in some very spectacular days, and I hope everybody will follow their guidance and follow that voice that's speaking to them, sit down and pray the way Bobby does every morning and say, how can I be of service?
That's what I'm trying to do to the best of my abilities.
It may not always be perfect or exactly right, but it is truly what drives me.
And I know it drives you, and I'm glad that we can have these open dialogues about it.
I appreciate your thoughtful answer there.
That means a lot to hear that.
Again, you and I have been at this a long time, and we have the same desired outcome for humanity.
We have a lot of work ahead of us.
And you're right.
We don't know how long we're going to be here.
But we know we have the people on our side.
And we know that now history is on our side.
The changing of the tide of history is on our side.
It was a major victorious pivot point for RFK Jr. to be in as HHS. And now I believe that we, the people, need to really up our game and do as much as we can in order to help people.
Learn more about living healthy, and we've got to push back against these pharma, you know, well, I would call them, I mean, it's a criminal cabal, in my opinion, right?
That's what's operating.
So, on my side, and I admit, by the way, yeah, I was tricked by the early days of COVID. I was tricked, and I had to correct myself.
And I apologized to a couple of people at that time because I was wrong.
I believed that there was a virus spreading across New York and Italy, and it turns out that's not the case, that it was a giant PSYOP, right?
And I've learned so much since then from so many amazing people.
I don't even believe all the mainstream theories about virology at this point, because in my lab, Del, because I have an accredited laboratory, as you know, and we tried to purchase SARS-CoV-2 external standards in order to calibrate PCR instruments.
And did you know they don't exist?
Really?
This is what changed my mind.
They do not exist because we test for heavy metals.
I can buy standards of lead at certain concentrations, 10 parts per million or whatever.
I can buy standards of glyphosate.
I can buy standards of everything.
E. coli, bacteria, pesticides, herbicides.
Cannot buy a standard of COVID because it does not exist.
It literally does not exist.
And that blew my mind, and that's when I began to interview people like Dr. Thomas Cowan and others who really began to educate me.
But that's a totally different subject.
But I'm just saying, I'm also open to learning new things, and I've been wrong about things.
We all have.
Yeah, absolutely.
Look, I've said the high wire, and I think what you do, I do my investigation in front of the audience.
I worked at CBS on the Doctor's television show.
There you do a pre-interview of everybody before they come on the show.
Then you do it on the phone.
You get their whole story.
Then you go and shoot the parts of it you want.
Then you only cut the parts that tell the part of the story that you want to tell.
And I said to my executive producer that came over that I brought over from CBS with me, wouldn't it be amazing if I just didn't do pre-interviews?
Mostly I want to go on set and do that first interview in front of everybody.
I want to be surprised myself.
I have an interview coming up in the near future we're working on that I did with Didier Raoult out of France.
He had some things that blew my mind.
They're not consistent with...
Some of the other, a lot of the other things that I've looked at as far as viruses and bacteria and antibiotics.
So, you know, and then that sends you on a new journey.
It does.
And you go on that journey.
I like having this journey out in the public.
So, that's what we do.
Science is forever evolving, and I think that that's the biggest issue.
When people say, why does Robert Kennedy Jr. say he's anti-vax?
He's made statements that he wished he hadn't vaccinated his kids now.
I don't usually say I'm not anti-vaccine.
I think that's what I meant, that Bobby says he's not anti-vaccine.
It bothers a lot of people.
But I do say this.
I've been pretty effective, and so has Bobby and others.
I meet with senators and assembly members all the time.
I have found a way to converse with them where I actually make headway.
And I try to talk to scientists.
I would interview Paul Offit, and I think he'd be shocked about...
How friendly and curious I am about his position.
But look, we are trying to get scientists that believe in a dogma that vaccines are perfectly safe and effective, which would be the first product known to man to ever say that.
And yet they repeat this slogan over and over again.
But if I want them to revisit it and say the science isn't settled, I'm asking you to recognize that science is never settled.
Can you take a new look at this, Senator Cassidy?
Can I show you some new information?
How do I do that if my statement to them is...
I, you know, I'm anti-vax.
I'm completely against vaccines.
So what I'm saying is my settled science is sound.
Your settled science isn't.
Now let's have a conversation.
That doesn't go anywhere.
And I truly believe this.
Right now, I can't find a vaccine I would take because none of them have had a proper safety trial.
And I have no fear of the illnesses, not for me or my children, that they protect against.
That's where I'm at.
Talk to me when Ebola is sweeping the earth and you have a vaccine you tested for six years.
And, you know, I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm open to the idea.
I think that, you know, the original smallpox.
It was a noble cause.
I think it was a great idea.
It's just never really, they never got rid of the side effects.
They ended up, you know, instead of fixing this known problem they always had, they just went to propaganda and just convincing everybody those side effects didn't exist.
And that's a problem.
And I would add, I think they weaponized them with COVID. That's my take.
But we're almost out of time, Dale.
But I just want to ask you one more thing.
So what's next for you, Maha Alliance, right?
I just had Steve Slepsovich in studio here.
He mentioned he's on the board of Maha Alliance.
So what's next for you and Maha Alliance now that this, you know, RFK is in office, the campaign's done.
Where do we go from here?
Well, I mean, the same place I've always...
Ben, I want to use, you know, this moment where America has really woken up.
They woke up during COVID. Our numbers increased.
I'm sure yours did, too.
So many people are now open to this cause.
Then Bonnie Harri's and, you know, all of the different Cali means and people start talking about food and the whole...
There's a lot of different outfits.
Maha Alliance was the super PAC that ran commercials.
That's designed to run candidates.
That'll be there.
Maha Action is a C4 that we have that will be doing legislative work.
Like I said, I want to present all the bills that I think we all need to be looking at, calling our representatives and saying, I like this bill.
I support it.
I'm going to be doing my best to sort of wade through those with a great team and make sure everyone knows what's going on.
We're going to build a map at Maha Action that shows you all those bills, also shows your representatives and how well they're voting on these issues.
These are all things that we want to sort of give so people can really be aware.
Are my representatives making America healthy again?
Are they following through with this mandate that President Trump has given this nation?
Maha.io, I've sort of started.
That's a dream.
Is there a way somewhere in there that we can start a grassroots movement to start really changing, building in some way?
And we can talk more about this in the future, Mike.
We know that all we have is a sick care system in this country that only robs you of money, puts you on drugs, gives you surgeries.
And now the best that it can do is come in early for early detection because we got drugs for your pre-diabetes, your pre-this, your pre-cancer.
I mean- I'm so tired of the drug industry owning every part of this.
In fact, even I just talked about the Super Bowl had this ad for, was it his and her or whatever?
And they're showing fruit loops and they're showing $650 billion spent on drugs.
And you're like, my God, this is the Maha moment.
And then its answer is cheaper drugs online.
Get your Ozempic, get your bubble.
I'm like, what the heck is going on here?
Inject yourself.
Yeah, no.
You and I and those of us that are here, there are so many great thought leaders in this movement.
There's so many great functional medicine doctors, MAPS doctors, chiropractors, homeopaths, that these new minds that are waking up, they don't know where to find them.
So I'm hoping to sort of work on ways that we can bring visibility to all these other ways to find health, your nutrition, and work together.
And as always, my number one job, we make sure that we all keep our eye on the prize, that we keep our energy focused in the right place.
fighting is so easy in a movement.
We're allowed to disagree.
We should be disagreeing.
We should be finding the right way forward.
We have a really short period of time.
Robert Kennedy Jr. has been given two years really from President Trump to say show me you can reverse the chronic disease epidemic.
I hope we can inspire all of America to take up that call and say I'm gonna help Robert Kennedy Jr. I am going to start getting my health together.
I'm gonna reverse my own chronic conditions.
I'm gonna make sure that I start getting healthier every day.
I'm gonna stand for America as a challenge to the world.
Look at us.
We're becoming the healthiest nation in the world again.
I'm gonna do everything I can to help make that happen.
I'm gonna work with you and whoever.
This is a real movement, Mike.
George Soros didn't fill buses to show up and vote for Bobby and then ultimately to move over and vote for Trump.
Real people showed up.
That gender gap that was supposed to be 20% of women voting against.
President Trump ended up being 7%.
That was reduced by those Maha moms.
There's a movement afoot.
There's real change happening.
And, you know, I'm going to do everything in my power to take this moment, this, you know, inertia and momentum and make sure that it continues on the high wire with I can, with Maha.
You know, I can't wait to see.
Your AI, maybe we can do.
I've got some dreams about things that I think AI could do.
And man, if you've already built it, I'd rather not have to build one.
So you beat me to it.
Let's all work together.
We're all contributing in our areas of expertise.
And I decided early on, I mean, our AI engine's called ENOC. It could be called Maha AI, frankly, because it's really so aligned with the Maha ethos, you could say.
And I just decided this is going to be non-commercial.
This is going to be completely free.
I'm giving it to everybody.
People will use it as wellness coaches, as nutrition research assistants.
People will use it in chiropractic offices as a place for customers to check in.
And, Dale, this is the cool thing, it can generate articles based on sources.
So you can take a scientific study and you can copy and paste that study into the prompt and ask it to write an article about the study.
And it will write that article from a kind of Maha point of view.
And it will do that natively.
So that's going to empower writers and journalists and investigators.
And it'll also write scripts.
It'll write video scripts.
We've been putting out these Bright Learn videos that are summaries of books.
They're all written by our AI engine.
Wow.
I'll send you a link so you can see one of them.
But this is a game changer.
I just feel like this is a moment in history.
We have an opportunity.
We have the technology.
The grassroots movement and let's just keep moving forward as rapidly as we can and share our knowledge with people about being healthy.
We could literally really make history together.
That's what I feel.
I agree.
This is another history-making moment for America.
We really are watching this moment to make America great again, to make America healthy again.
We live in the greatest nation in the world.
We should look like it.
Our health should look like it.
Our children should look like it.
We should be thriving.
It really only takes a few adjustments to make that happen.
And for guys like you and I, the most important thing for people out there is just share these videos.
Share these interviews.
Keep inspiring your friends and family to take another look at these issues.
I really hope we can get Maha to not just be attached to a party.
It's a way of life.
It should be something that we all celebrate and dream about.
And we should be the healthiest nation in the world.
I think we can really show that that journey is working in the next two years and then four years.
And hopefully we build an infrastructure strong enough that whoever comes in the future, they can't take it away from us.
That's what I'm dedicated to.
I don't want this to be a sand painting.
I don't want it to blow away.
I want something that has real foundation.
And so that's what I'm dedicated to.
So I can't wait to work with you on that mission.
Thank you.
Thank you for your time today.
And I also say, I feel sorry for the, you know, traveling is toxic.
Like traveling is toxic.
There's just no way around, like you get on an airplane and you're shaking everybody's hands and you're hugging people or you're in a hotel room that there's fragrance or whatever.
Man, I can't handle it.
You've been traveling.
Bobby's been traveling.
Trump's been traveling.
I don't know how you do it.
I really don't know how you do it.
I've got to have a blender.
I've got to have my avocados.
I can't live without it.
You know what I mean?
How do you do it?
I do.
It's brutal.
It is brutal.
But I am so passionate and I'm charged by...
You know, what we're accomplishing, what I see.
You know, I look into my own children's eyes, and it's inspiration.
I think about the future.
And, you know, I'm not the first father to sacrifice his life for the good of his own children and those around us.
I'm on a mission.
I feel guided by God.
I hope God keeps me healthy long enough that I can, you know, make all the difference that I'm capable of.
And that's it.
It's all in God's hands.
I'm going to hopefully see some days off out there in the future, but right now we have work to do.
All right.
Well, again, thank you for your time, and I'm glad that you're a fellow Texan, and keep up the great work.
Website, folks, is thehighwire.com, and keep us posted, Del.
It's going to be an exciting year.
Looking forward to it.
It is.
All right.
Thank all of you for watching.
Mike Adams here at brighteon.com, and as Del said, feel free to share this interview and repost it on other platforms and channels.
Thank you for watching.
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Not only is it made with this delicious coconut milk powder and the matcha powder, all laboratory tested, as you can see, all certified organic here, but we put in some chlorella and spirulina powder, and it's sweetened with monk fruit extract powder, but it's got functional mushrooms in here, reishi, shiitake, and so on, cordyceps.
So this has this incredible combination, including lion's mane.
That's my favorite.
This incredible combination of microalgae superfood as well as matcha, which has all of its own amazing benefits, plus the functional mushrooms.
This is available right now, healthrangerstore.com.
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We've also got our amazing...
Instant mashed potatoes, the cheesy, creamy, buttery mashed potatoes in the number 10 cans.
And then if you want to beat the tariffs that may be coming on Manuka honey from Australia and goji berries from the Tibet regions of China, the high elevation clean regions, you need to get them now.
We've got the goji berries laboratory tested, of course.
We've got the Manuka honey, which is certified with the high bioactives in the honey.
There's a lot of counterfeit Manuka honey out there.
This is the real deal, certified in several different ways and laboratory tested.
You can find all that at healthrangerstore.com.
And then I want to show you one other thing that's really useful this time of year.
We've got this.
A lot of people don't even know about it.
It's called the Organic Daily Immune Complex Blend.
Two ounces.
Super potent blend.
Let me show you some of the ingredients that you will find in this because it'll blow your mind.
It's a spagyric mataki mushroom extract.
With shiitake and echinacea root extract together.
And it's part ethanol and it's part water.
So, you know, it's that combination that does a better extraction from the functional mushrooms here.
So functional mushrooms plus echinacea in a laboratory tested, certified organic format.
Again, the organic daily immune complex blend to...