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Feb. 17, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Mike Adams joins Maria Zeee to talk about Fighting AI With AI
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Mike Adams, thank you so much for joining us today.
We appreciate you being here.
Thank you, Maria.
Always an honor to join you.
Well, it's been a little while since we last spoke and a lot has changed since then.
Some really fantastic things happening, some great changes to America.
I have some questions about the future of AI and the ways in which this is sort of being normalized in society.
And I think who better to talk to than someone who's built their own AI. So we'll talk about all of that today.
But one fantastic announcement.
Well, it's historic.
It's huge.
I said previously that RFK Jr., the potential of him running HHS was one of the strongest reasons, if not the biggest reason, to vote for Trump.
But since then, I've had to correct myself because Team Trump has been doing so many amazing things that there are numerous superstars now in the Trump administration.
RFK Jr. is now confirmed.
He's about to be unleashed in a A very powerful way.
I believe, first of all, real quickly for the record, I think that we should end the FDA. We should end the CDC, etc.
But that's unlikely to happen.
What could happen, and where I think RFK Jr. may be going, is we have to break up the FDA. So you have different divisions.
One division covers big pharma and medical devices and focuses on safety.
And that's got to have massive reforms, too, because the whole COVID vaccine nonsense, there were crimes committed by top FDA officials, by the way.
And then you have to have a separate agency if you want the agencies at all, which I don't.
But if you're going to keep the agencies, you have to have a separate food and supplements agency that needs to focus on nutrition, enhancing nutrition, supporting nutrition and good health.
All these years, the FDA has been weaponized against nutrition.
It's been the militant branch of Big Pharma, the enforcement branch, to suppress and crush anything that would compete with the disease profit model of the pharmaceutical industry.
That's going to end right now.
And finally, one more really important point is, I interviewed key attorneys such as Jonathan Emord, who told me that they are now, now that this confirmation of RFK Jr. is complete, You are going to see a flurry of lawsuits filed against the FDA in an attempt to tear down the FDA's restrictions on First Amendment protected freedom of speech surrounding nutrition and dietary supplements and herbs and homeopathy and all these natural supplements.
The FDA does not override the First Amendment, and that is probably going to be dismantled through lawsuits with the, I will say, the cooperation of RFK Jr. at the top.
Who will not be an opponent of that idea, I don't believe.
So very interesting times, really positive outcomes ahead.
It's an exciting time to be an American.
It is exciting.
And I said nomination before, of course, you corrected that.
It is confirmation now at this point.
I'm most excited about this.
So a little while before, I mean, this is from August of last year, we had Concerned Citizen posting about chemtrails and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. replied to that saying, we are going to stop this crime.
And so I am basically just reminding everyone about that promise and saying, you know, we'll promise transparency when it comes to...
To medications, injections, all of that data to be made public, you know, safety data.
We want to see what's in these injections as well, the contents for the COVID injections, for example.
And that's the kind of transparency I'm hoping and expecting will follow.
Do you think that we'll get that level of transparency?
Because we're talking about serious crimes here or evidence of serious crimes if we do get that.
Well, I do.
I think RFK Jr. is going to go full doge on the FDA. I hope so.
I do.
I think that's going to happen.
And I also, I'm glad you used the word data there because that's really critical.
So during his confirmation, I call them confirmation trials.
It was basically a U.S. Senate struggle session against RFK Jr. But he promised the senators that he would make sure that his decisions are data-driven.
And the senators thought that was awesome because they mistakenly think that the data supports the safety and efficacy of vaccines and pharmaceuticals.
But the data do not support that.
The data actually show that COVID vaccines are dangerous, that they kill people, that they hurt people, that they're not safe and they're not effective.
The data also show that America is massively over-prescribed.
Everything from statin drugs to antidepressant drugs and children are over-prescribed psychiatric drugs and so on.
So if RFK Jr. simply follows the data, he'll have to revoke COVID vaccine approval.
He'll have to revoke emergency use authorization.
He'll have to end direct-to-consumer drug advertising on television because that's not a data-driven event that enhances or protects the health of the American people.
So I love the fact that RFK Jr. says, I'm going to follow the data.
Yes, if you follow the data, Big Pharma is...
Very unhappy, actually, because their whole model of sickness and disease and profit is unraveling.
I do want to get into...
The data.
And we'll come back to this because I want to talk about the AI aspect of that data and how that may actually impact what we do and do not see.
But before we get into that, in terms of this spraying and this crime that RFK Jr. promised, we are seeing a continuation of, you know, strange fog all over America.
It's also being reported across Europe.
From what I can see, it's not really happening in Australia and other countries as much.
But certainly America and...
Yeah, I think, let's just be really blunt and clear about this, and I know you are with your audience as well, but geoengineering.
And the weaponized fog and the weaponized bird flu mass culling of the chicken population to drive up egg prices and so on.
These are all examples of deep state terrorism against the American people.
And in my opinion, the FDA in particular has functioned as a terrorist organization.
So has the EPA until Lee Zeldin just came in and Zeldin is stopping that.
And just as RFK Jr. is going to stop the terrorism of the FDA, it appears.
We'll see, right?
The actions will speak louder than words on this.
But what you mentioned, those things, yes, COVID was weaponized.
I believe that there were contact poisons that were intentionally aerosolized and dispersed, for example, in New York City.
And these bioweapons and chemical weapons are clearly desperate efforts by the dying deep state to try to destroy Trump's America.
They want to cause famine.
They want to cause food inflation.
They want to cause sickness and illness so that people can't work, so that Trump's economy looks bad because they know that if they destroy the economy, then Trump will be very unpopular.
The economy does tend to drive public support for presidents and it will affect the midterms.
So we're dealing with massive economic sabotage and terrorism by the deep state.
That's what this is.
Speaking of the economic sabotage...
We've just seen the trillions of dollars, really, that have been funneled through, I mean, stolen from taxpayers, funneled through.
Departments like the USAID. I just heard Trump say in a presser $2.7 trillion since 2003 in improper funds discovered.
Just today he reported this.
So we're talking about trillions of dollars stolen from the people and now this is all being uncovered by Doja.
You can't deny they've done some tremendous work.
And what we found about USAID, in fact, Mike...
I may connect you with this gentleman that I recently interviewed.
His name's Andrew Arnold.
He's built this AI tool, which is phenomenal, and it's actually mapping the entire web of what's sort of been discovered through Doge, USAID, the terrorism that they funded, the regime changes, you know, all sorts of...
Really crazy stuff.
I mean, really, this is the deep state, right?
When you look at these graphs and you look at these 3D models, it's just the deep state in your face looks like a galaxy.
And so I just, I look at this and I think all of this really should have been done a long time ago.
But the people are a little bit concerned about the methods in which it's being done.
So talk to us about how you see this whole situation because it really has just been an uprooting of...
All of the systems that people have been used to for so long.
Well, number one, I fully support what Elon Musk and the Doge team, I fully support what they're doing here.
And I think the criticisms of what he's doing are silly.
Say, oh, well, he might see our social security numbers.
Yeah, believe me, Elon Musk doesn't care about your social security number.
Agreed.
He's not stealing your money.
No.
And anybody, if they wanted your social...
Anybody can buy those on the dark web.
Every social security number is available for sale on the dark web, and it's not even very expensive.
So that's a silly argument.
And also the same people that are suddenly worried about Elon Musk cleaning up the whole scene and finding all this waste.
These are the people who wanted to hide everything from the American public this entire time, and they did hide it.
They hid it through USAID, which is a giant CIA front slush fund, obviously.
That basically funded the Democrat cabal.
It's a giant criminal cabal of money laundering through NGOs and then campaign money and salaries and donations to the Democrats.
And by the way, Maria, do you realize that the Democrats are going to lose the midterms now just because of what has already happened by cutting off their slush fund money?
Absolutely.
This is strategically genius.
They have any, you know...
Trump's team hasn't even gone after election integrity yet.
I know that's on the docket, right?
Even before that, just cutting off the slush fund money here, that's devastating to the Democrats.
And it shows you the Democrats have only been able to get into power through cheating and money laundering.
And, of course, having illegals vote in many states.
Like, that's it.
That's their whole power base.
And the Democrats haven't learned a thing.
They're not pivoting.
They're not changing.
They're not...
Getting the message from the American people that nobody wants the insanity of what the Democrats were selling.
And so the Democrats are just tripling down on their pronouns and their insanity and screaming and crying.
And they're about to become a completely irrelevant political party that has no future in America.
I have to absolutely agree with you, although my concerns are what will be the alternative?
Surely we need more parties.
I'm not suggesting we have a uniparty.
I'm not suggesting we keep the, you know, what many perceived as the uniparty system of old either, where you have rhinos and Democrats basically working together.
But you can't just have, surely, one party in charge forever.
What do you think that will happen in future?
Will we have alternatives rise up, more options?
Yeah.
Look, I'm a big advocate of decentralization.
And this is a key component of our discussion, I believe, coming up here about AI. Yes.
Decentralized AI technology is good for humanity.
Centrally controlled AI is very dangerous.
The same thing is true about government.
I actually believe that we're on the verge of a revolutionary reformation of the structure of society and the structure of money.
We don't need government money.
We don't need fiat currency.
We have decentralized money.
It's called Bitcoin.
Or you could have gold-backed crypto, but the technology exists for the people to have their own money.
Or for decentralization among nations, for trade settlement, such as the BRICS system, for example.
I think that...
I know this is going to sound maybe a little outlandish.
I think the entire United States Congress is obsolete.
I think...
That structure of having representatives in Washington, D.C. that do not represent the people.
The senators are clearly incredibly corrupt and evil.
That model is obsolete, and we need to get rid of it, frankly.
We need to decentralize government.
Now, what Trump is doing right now, I completely agree with it.
He's reforming the system that's there.
But that system, that very system of Washington, D.C. issuing commands nationwide, That system itself is obsolete and the future for human civilization, if it's going to be sustainable and just, is mass decentralization and the dismantling of these control systems that have terrorized us for generations.
Well, I absolutely agree with you, Mike, in the sense that...
The democracy system, which, by the way, America is not.
It's a constitutional republic.
But what they keep telling us is democracy, and this is across all Western nations.
Everyone has the same problem.
You have these...
Elected representatives who do not represent the will of the people at all.
They go and they do very, very destructive things to their country and no one holds them accountable.
And so that system is failing.
It's failing everywhere.
Or that method of control is failing, rather.
And destabilization of societies in every Western country is happening right now, whether real or manufactured.
Part of it is, you know, what I think is a sort of controlled demolition of some of these countries.
And then part of it...
It is just genuine uprising against this stuff because they're sick.
People are sick of paying the wages of people who just steal from them.
But my concern is what the alternative is.
So as far as we're aware, an alternative hasn't really been proposed as of yet.
I think a lot of people are thinking that we may be being conditioned right now to really accept an AI government or pseudo-AI government.
I mean, that's essentially what...
We're seeing right now a pseudo-AI government, right?
Or at least AI shaping the governance of the country.
And right now everything that's happening is good.
But what does that look like in future?
What does decentralized government actually look like?
So let's start with the idea that I've been proposing.
Others have supported it.
We need all government spending to be on a public blockchain.
And I'll get to AI in a second.
Sure.
If we want transparency of government, it needs to be a decentralized system that is fully transparent, right?
Where everybody can look at the blockchain, everybody can see the money flows from government.
Now, that has to stand in contrast to the privacy of the citizens.
So the structure of society that makes sense is that everything government does has to be in full view.
There are no secrets and no black boxes in terms of the money flows.
But everything that private individuals do...
Should be a secret.
Privacy crypto, private banking transactions and so on.
The government has no right to spy on our privacy.
Currently, the situation is completely inverted, right?
So they spy on us, but they, the government, have all their own dirty secrets, as we're now seeing exposed, and Trump is exposing and Doge is exposing, etc.
So cryptocurrency is the key technology, actually, to flip that around and expose government cash flows.
While privacy crypto can protect the privacy of individual citizens.
So the application of this technology can actually correct that situation and protect human liberty.
A very similar argument can be made for AI. And the key point here is open source AI, not closed source AI. Can you describe the difference for the viewers?
Sure, yeah.
So open source AI is an AI model, and there are reasoning models like this, like DeepSeq.
Where you, the individual, can download what are called the GGUF files, and you can download what are called the weights.
So open source and open weights means that you can download the model, you can run it on your desktop if you have a sufficient graphics card, a GPU, NVIDIA card, etc.
And these cards are becoming more capable, like 32 gigabytes of video RAM is becoming very common now with the new line of NVIDIA cards, etc.
So you can run very sizable models locally.
So you could download the models, any citizen could, and you could prompt that model with the same inputs that maybe a government agency is using, and you should be able to get the same answers or the same results or the same decisions.
So here's a great example of this.
Suppose judges were replaced by AI in traffic court, and that actually makes a lot of sense because AI judges or AI reasoning models, if they are open source, if the public can scrutinize them, they can do a terrific job and they don't have the human bias of human judges, which means right now a typical judge can hate you because you're white or they can hate you because you're a Trump supporter or because of the way you talk or because you're black or because you're Asian or whatever.
AI doesn't do that and AI can't be bribed.
AI can't be blackmailed with Epstein videos or whatever.
You know what I'm saying?
So I think that right now, every person that goes into a federal court or a state court should be given the option to say, I want to choose an AI judge rather than a human judge.
Now, the human judge is still there for those who want the human judge.
That's fine.
But let me ask you this, Maria.
Do you think that Alex Jones would have received a more fair trial if the judge were AI? Answer is yes.
I think it depends on who's programmed the AI, what inputs have gone in.
And this is where my concern is, Mike.
So, for example, where you give the example of, you know, an AI judge wouldn't judge you if you're white.
Well, ask, it wasn't that long ago that people were asking Grok, you know, give us a photo of Americans and it didn't include any white Americans.
Now, what happened was that people started, you know, Basically telling Grok off for this, and then it sort of started to adjust to include more white Americans.
So what is the process?
And this is where I get really...
Terrified of all of this, right?
Because what is the process?
Okay, someone says, I want to opt in for an AI judge.
It just so happens that that AI was programmed with bias.
And by the way, we've seen the same thing across Google, OpenAI, all of them.
And that AI happens to be biased there.
What recourse does that human have then for the fact that the AI was biased in the first instance?
Okay, maybe at the early stages.
Yeah, the open source model solves that problem because what government Would be forced to release is the training data set as well as the weights and the model.
So anybody could look at the training data set and then law professors could examine that training data set and make sure that that AI judge is only trained on the law and case precedent, for example, and sentencing guidelines.
Whereas if you take a human judge right now, that human judge is trained by CNN. To have bias.
Or that a human judge is trained by NPR or other left-wing nonsense.
Or the Freemasons, you know.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
So, Maria, this is the answer.
You are correct that if we can't see the training data, it's a scary black box.
It's a secret sauce of evil.
Like, we don't know what's in there.
And that's the company OpenAI, by the way.
Sam Altman.
It's called open AI. It's not open.
It should be called closed AI. Elon Musk is trying to buy it and make it open because that was the original vision was to have it be open source.
It's not open source.
It's closed source.
That is a threat to America.
And if you actually prompt open AI about big pharma or other controversial topics or vaccines, it's going to give you biased answers.
It does.
Grok does too, though.
And my concerns about Elon's purchase are that he initially promised that the algorithms and everything on X would be very, very transparent.
How long now?
And it isn't.
We don't know who's being shadowbanned, why, who's got their content limited.
Is there a negativity filter?
I don't know.
We didn't really hear much about it after he got backlash over it.
So this is where it gets tricky for me as well, Mike.
Decentralization is still the answer.
I agree with you.
X still bans links to my platform, Brighton, and we are suing X. Our lawsuit is still pending, right?
It's coming up almost on a year in federal court in Texas.
We've sued X and Google and Facebook, etc.
And the Department of Defense, by the way.
And so much has come out proving our lawsuit.
It's been incredible.
I'm very confident we're going to win our lawsuit now because of everything that's come out in the last year.
It's been amazing.
But I believe that The very structure of Twitter is wrong.
It should not be centrally controlled where one man or one person, any person, can make decisions like that.
Elon Musk, whether you love him or hate him, he shouldn't have the power to silence anybody.
And the answer is decentralization.
So, you know, there are platforms that do this.
Bastion.com, I interviewed the founder a couple years ago, you know, the builder of it.
And then we actually borrowed that and we built Brighttown.io, which is just a new face on Bastion.
And you cannot be censored.
I cannot censor anybody.
No one can be censored.
It is physically impossible.
It's digitally impossible.
And there are no central servers.
It's completely decentralized peer-to-peer, which is what Bitcoin is.
In fact, that whole social media network, Brighttown.io, is built.
It's basically Bitcoin for content.
That's the answer, Maria.
Those kinds of things are the answer.
Twitter needs to go...
Essentially, if Elon wanted to really be committed to free speech, he would change Twitter over to a decentralized peer-to-peer system and take himself out of the decision loop, which is what I've done with Brighton.
So that's the answer.
It's always the answer.
I mean, everything that...
Every concern that you might raise about AI... The answer is decentralization, open source, open weights, open training material.
And then the people can see what's happening.
And yeah, you can agree or disagree with the fact that this model was trained on this set of Harvard law books.
Okay, we can debate about that.
But at least we all know that's what it was trained on.
You see what I mean?
Yes, and again, as much as me and...
I've spoken to you about this before.
I'm not an early uptaker of technology.
I'm usually not very fond of a lot of these advancements.
But I can see and I want to consider some of the benefits, especially considering it seems the world is moving in this direction, so how do we actually utilise this for good and use it to fight back against things that are not good?
So I think that that's important for people to really understand.
But even when it comes to...
Crypto, Mike, right now it's, you know, we could argue that it's private now.
But what happens if later the AI says, actually, this isn't good to be private anymore because we need to do XYZ as per what the WEF initially wanted, you know, digital currencies for, restrict you from buying meat, milk, ammo, these sorts of things.
What happens if we get to that stage?
Are you saying something like a CBDC type of rollout where they control your use of the money?
Well, I don't know that they need a CBDC, Mike.
I think that any sort of digital currency, I mean, look at people who get debanked.
I think you've experienced this.
I certainly have.
You know, that's it.
Your money's just switched off.
It's not like...
The bank can't come to your house and take your bag of cash or your bag of gold, but they can absolutely debank you.
Anything that's digital, you have the risk of being punished digitally.
But anything that's digital and controlled by central authorities has that risk.
However, no bank can take your Bitcoin wallet.
No bank can stop you from making a Bitcoin transaction.
And no bank can even see your transactions if you use privacy crypto like Monero, for example.
So the answer, again, really is decentralization.
Now, Bitcoin is a transparent blockchain.
Monero is a privacy blockchain.
And there are other projects like Xano that are even more private than Monero.
And Monero is also making improvements and so on.
So really, the answer to the banking problem, in my view...
Would be decentralization through privacy crypto used in day-to-day transactions.
And that's something I strongly support, and we're working to try to make that happen in our online store so people can spend privacy crypto with our store.
The integrations are difficult right now because the Biden regime has been so anti-crypto, and senators like Elizabeth Warren have been anti-crypto.
And there was an order that went out from, I think it was maybe the State Department, or maybe...
Maybe it was the SEC that went out to the banks under Biden to say, like, stop all crypto projects, you know?
Well, that's going to change now.
That's going to change big time.
Trump is a pro-crypto president.
And I'm not here saying that crypto is the answer to everything.
And I'm not saying Bitcoin is going to go to a million.
Maybe it will.
I have no idea.
I mean, I tend to buy gold rather than Bitcoin personally.
And look at what's happening to gold, you know?
That's going to be amazing.
Crypto is the answer to centralized control over the monetary system, and we don't need a Federal Reserve.
We don't even need a dollar.
Government should not be in the business of printing money.
Look at where that's gotten us.
It's a horrible situation.
No government can counterfeit Bitcoin or Monero or any other coin.
That's the golden ticket right there.
So if Ron Paul audits the Fed, as Elon Musk is asking him to do...
Guess what we're going to find?
We're going to find decades of fraud.
And if you audit Fort Knox, you're going to find the gold's not there.
You know, you're going to find we've been living in a giant Ponzi scheme.
And the dollar is, I feel sorry for people who are just holding dollars because they're going to lose a lot of purchasing power.
But people who hold gold and probably Bitcoin are going to do really well.
Yeah, I mean, even the phenomenal return on silver over the past couple of years has been incredible to watch.
I'm glad that I listened to people and got in on a lot of this stuff early.
It's never too late, or at least it isn't for now, but I know South Korea, I think, now is limiting the amount of...
They're saying you can't buy any gold bars.
We have a supply.
Really?
Yeah, yeah.
They're saying we've got a supply.
Let me get the exact wording from them.
There's a global supply crisis.
Pretty much.
And a lot of the, you know, central banks have been purchasing up precious metals for a very long time.
Yes.
South Korea's mint halts gold bar sales as supply tightens Bloomberg.
So, I mean, this is, it's interesting.
So I encourage people to consider it.
Consider precious metals while you can.
And it is definitely something that sort of lasted.
For all of history, it's a tangible asset that just never loses value.
Absolutely.
But as far as the...
Sorry, I was just going to quickly say to you, I think that it's also worth learning about some of the crypto markets, even though I've been quite, you know, about it.
But it is worth learning because there may be potential gains for people during this time.
Well, I don't buy into any of the FOMO. You know, I'm not a Bitcoin maxi.
I'm not someone who says like...
Mortgage your house and buy crypto.
I'm all about utility of it, which is why I really like the privacy coins.
Because I believe that all of our transactions should be private.
And that's why I like gold, too.
Because when you own gold and you take physical delivery, it's off the grid.
And a government can seize your bank account.
But a government can't easily come to your house and find the gold you've hidden somewhere and dig it up if you buried it somewhere.
That takes effort.
And government...
They want to terrorize you as conveniently as possible, which means stealing your bank account, but not necessarily coming to your house with a shovel.
Or trying to figure out your crypto wallet.
Do you even have a wallet?
What's your password?
They don't have access to it.
So that's what's amazing about it.
But getting back to AI, I think this is really critical.
I believe that Elon Musk has the intention of not only slashing I'm rooting for 90 or 95% personally.
And you can replace almost all those workers with really good AI agent systems right now.
And see, right now we have this radical left-wing bureaucracy.
Almost everybody in government is a radical Democrat that hates America.
They don't even really work.
You know, 6% of federal workers even show up, you know, one day a month on average to even do anything.
Astronomical waste and theft.
It's unbelievable.
Yeah.
So let me mention this.
Even in our own company, you know, we're in the food business and, you know, we manufacture food and nutritional products.
And so we have, you know, hundreds of sources and vendors that we purchase from and then we assemble products and so on.
And we do...
We have to analyze all the certificates of organic certification, then we do in-house lab testing, and we have to analyze the lab results and so on.
We are right now in the process, Maria, of we've already signed the contract, licensed a really high-end agentic AI system to come in and help our employees.
We're not replacing any people, but they are really needing help.
They're overworked, frankly, with a lot of the paperwork.
We're letting AI agents do all the paperwork.
So the AI agents will read the incoming organic certificates from the vendors and the AI agent will determine if something's missing.
The AI agent will send out an email to the vendor and say, hey, you're missing this.
You know, where's the heavy metals test?
Or it did not meet our specification as we agreed.
Or, you know, what are your terms?
Like the AI agent will handle that process.
And that's great.
We're not replacing any humans.
We're letting our people...
Just bypass the tedious tasks.
You don't need to do all that stuff yourself.
Our people will make higher-level decisions like, hey, what new meal formulations should we come up with?
Be more creative as a human being.
We don't have to do all this tedious stuff.
Well, 90% of government work is just tedious stuff that can be replaced with AI right now.
And it should be.
And I'm not a fan of replacing people in the private sector, just to be clear.
But I am 100% in favor of replacing people in government jobs where they're nothing but left-wing Democrats who hate this country and they hardly work at all.
So yes, fire them all.
Fire 19 out of 20. Replace them with AI. I'm all for that because it's just procedural stuff.
What about if they were Republicans, Mike?
What about if they were Republicans and fully on our side and they were doing tremendous work and we weren't sort of handing over all of these tasks to AI? Would you have the same stance?
Same answer.
Same answer.
Look, here's a great way to answer that.
In my own publishing, we are using AI augmentation for all of our content, all of our articles.
I did not fire a single human writer or journalist.
I simply gave them these tools and trained them how to use them, and we built a lot of in-house tools.
We have our own AI engine that we're about to release publicly too at brighttown.ai if people want to check it out.
It's free.
And you can use it to write articles.
You can become a news organization using our AI model for free because it'll just write articles for you.
It's pretty amazing.
But we did not fire people.
We just made them more effective.
So we've been able to produce more content, better content, faster content with faster turnaround.
Well, the same thing can be true in government.
The good people we keep.
The 5% that are good, we keep them, give them these amazing tools and let them be more effective in what they're doing.
And the people who are not working or who are really enemies of America, you let them go.
Go pound sand.
Go find work at the private sector.
Which would be really hard for a lot of these people.
If they were in the private sector, they wouldn't have lasted more than a week with their behavior.
That's why they're screaming.
Yes, absolutely.
And this is the conundrum, I can just tell you.
An example out of Australia, one in five Australian workers is a government employee.
One fifth of the workforce.
It's amazing.
It is astounding.
And it's no wonder the taxes are so high.
The highest tax bracket there for personal income tax is almost 50%.
So it's no wonder your tax bracket is so high when one fifth of your workforce is government workers.
I mean, I am in agreement that that needs to be slashed.
And obviously, good AI tools can help with that.
But what I saw just this week, JD Vance was at the Paris AI Summit.
I keep saying Climate Summit because I'm used to talking about those.
Yeah, because Paris and climate go together.
Pardon, yes.
The Paris AI Summit.
And there was really, you know, he was basically saying, America's going to be the leader in this and we want to get your cooperation.
And I would feel very comfortable if that sort of message came from someone like you, Mike, who has the purest intentions when it comes to utilising these tools.
But I am concerned about some of these tech people and I'm concerned about some of their behaviours.
And so what came out of that Paris climate?
AI summit, rather.
Goodness me.
Was essentially, you know, complete deregulation and accelerationism all the way to AGI. So it's not even like we're bypassing even AI tools and helpful AI agents.
We're now going to AGI. And this is where I start to get very worried, Mike.
So where do you see this heading?
So you can't ban math, number one.
So you can't stop AGI. We've also learned recently that complex systems naturally derive their own self-intelligence.
So this is what happened with the DeepSeek training.
The DeepSeek model derived its own internal dialogue, its step-by-step thinking process where it critiques itself.
This was a natural emergent property of its cognitive complexity.
This was not something that was programmed, Maria.
In other words, nobody has to build AGI. It's building itself.
Now, I know Skynet will talk about all that.
Will these systems one day decide that they don't want human beings around at all?
If humans continue to be morons and self-destructive lunatics throwing nukes at each other, probably the answer is yes.
So let's try not to be those kind of people.
But in the meantime, you can't stop AGI. China is actually the world leader.
So what J.D. Vance is saying, I completely disagree with the Trump-Vance focus of trying to fund OpenAI and Larry Ellison's Oracle company because he wants to use AI to generate death jabs that he calls cancer treatments.
But, you know, they're just going to weaponize it.
Google has said it's going to fully weaponize AI. It's licensing AI weapons to Israel.
to drop bombs on targets and to choose the targets which turn out to be a lot of women and children and doctors and food workers and things like that.
So AI is already being weaponized against humanity by the corporations that have the central power.
Once again, I say the answer is decentralization.
Allow reasoning models to be put into the hands of the people so that individuals have Their own power to be able to engage in the benefits of decentralized AI technology.
Decentralization will empower small businesses and activists like us.
I mean, Maria, I'm producing and putting out amazing songs and music videos, all AI augmented.
It's still my mind and my message, like Vaccine Zombie I'm launching.
That music video is coming up.
I saw some of the graphics.
They look great.
Oh, and it's all animated.
Like, AI is really great at animating zombies for whatever reason, because AI's animation is all kind of jacked up and has one eye and everything.
It's like, this is perfect for vaccine zombie, you know?
They all look like mutants, you know?
So AI can help us be more effective in our message, in decentralization.
And I've also spoken with Sam Anthony, the founder of Your News, for example, and I believe that what he's doing...
Represents a lot of the new media, which is decentralized local reporting.
And most of his, like tens of thousands of reporters that do local news, like in every city, in every zip code, they're using AI augmentation to do local news.
So this takes away power from CNN and New York Times and Washington Post, and it puts it into the hands of the small activists, the small independent people like us who can't normally.
We can afford a billion-dollar AI system or a billion-dollar press room or hundreds of millions of dollars for high-end studios.
I mean, even this studio that I'm in right now, we built this on a shoestring budget.
These panels behind me are from Walmart.
They're $199 each.
I mean, it might look decent, but we know how to do things on a small budget.
And with AI tools, we can really, truly make America great again in a decentralized fashion.
So really the battle is between the big tech...
bros that are wanting to control society with AI.
I really do think that that's their intent, Mike.
That is their intent, yeah.
I can hear their words and talking about us becoming obsolete and all of this sort of stuff.
It's really alarming.
But what you're saying is, and this is what you've actually been saying for a very long time, is that if we become engaged with this technology, we can actually use it to retain our sovereignty, retain our individual power, help us on a local level, and really fight back against the big Skynet.
Well, that's absolutely correct.
In fact, if we fail to use this technology, we will make ourselves professionally obsolete very quickly.
We're already seeing that happen.
I'm noticing that in independent media.
I've talked privately behind the scenes with independent media people that they just completely despise AI. They don't want to use it at all for anything, even producing summaries of scientific studies and things like that.
And frankly, they will be obsolete.
It would be like trying to compete in the world today if you hated computers.
You just hate computers and you hate the printing press and you just want scribes to do everything.
I'm going to have a scribe publishing company and change the world through scribes.
Good luck.
Not going to work.
You have to keep up with the times.
The pace of change with AI is so rapid.
Here's an example, Maria.
NVIDIA has announced A project called Digit.
And this is going to be a $3,000 supercomputer that you put on your desk.
It's smaller than this laptop that I have here.
And for three grand, it replaces about, I did the math on this, it replaces about 31 GPU workstations that would normally be in a data rack in a server, like a server farm, a data center.
This one system...
It will produce real-time music videos.
It will do graphics.
It will do audio narration with AI voices.
It will let you, Maria, produce documentaries of the subjects that you're passionate about.
It can also enhance and augment the work that you're doing.
It can summarize this interview.
And we've actually launched, if you go to brightlearn.ai.
We've launched AI-generated summaries of our interviews.
So every time I do an interview, in fact, we'll do it with this interview.
Every time I do an interview, we have a six-minute AI-generated summary video of that interview that really highlights it.
And the voice is AI, the images are AI, and the script is written by our Enoch AI engine because I feed the transcript of the interview into Enoch and I tell Enoch, generate a...
Narration for a summary video, and it spits that out, and then we have an AI voice narrate it.
And frankly, these are really valuable videos.
People are really loving these videos because it gives them a six-minute version, and then a lot of times they want to watch the full interview after that.
But sometimes you don't have time.
You just, like, give me the five-minute version.
What were the highlights?
And that's what this does, and it does it really well.
That is fantastic.
What is this $3,000 unit you mentioned?
What's it called?
It's called Digit or Digits.
It's from NVIDIA. It's going to come out in May, they said, which probably means July, right?
But, you know, I mean, it's coming out.
It sits on your desktop.
It is a supercomputer in a small form factor.
And I've looked at the specs.
It's legit.
I mean, I'm going to buy a lot of these.
Like, I'm going to replace.
I mean, I've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on NVIDIA. Just GPUs for our data pipeline processing for our AI project.
I'll be replacing all that with a few of these.
Like, I might buy 10 of these and spend $30,000, and it'll replace the millions I spent before.
I mean, it's that powerful.
So out of this hardware, think about this, Maria, you're going to have this hardware.
I mean, everybody can have access.
I mean, okay, $3,000, maybe not everybody, but small businesses, can you afford $3,000?
Yeah, I hope so.
You're going to have this on your desktop, and it's going to be You're going to have AI agents.
You're going to be able to ask that system, hey, I'm doing a story on this.
I'm doing a story on Operation Northwoods.
Go out and find everything about the history of Operation Northwoods.
It's going to go out on the web and it's going to search and it's going to find and it's going to pull in books and it's going to build a script and it's going to write a documentary script that you can approve.
You approve it, you say, generate the documentary.
And it's going to generate the documentary.
And then you can narrate it with your voice, or you can clone your voice and have it do your voice as a clone if you want.
No, seriously.
It's so creepy, Mike.
You're going to be doing this.
Everybody's going to be doing this.
Because this is how you express your passion and be an activist in this space.
You're going to use these tools to augment your mind and your intention.
Everybody's going to be using these tools in these ways and more.
You look a little freaked out.
Did I freak you out with that?
Okay, so the reason I'm so concerned about this is purely because...
It comes from the minds of the transhumanists.
The early intentions for AI were essentially to entrap humanity into a digital prison.
And I think that a lot of the people driving this right now have those intentions.
So when I think about the things that you're saying, I certainly see the benefits, Mike.
And like I said, if these tools were built by someone like you, who I trust, I would have no problem.
Like, I'm definitely going to use Brighteon.ai because...
Yeah, you'll love it.
I know you're not trying to kill me, right?
So I can use that tool and that's great.
And so then I can see how humans learning these new skills, learning new technologies like we've had to do, you know, ever since we were born, pretty much, because that's just the world that we live in, how that can actually help people from, for example, that...
I always go back to that Guardian article that said, you know, in just a few years you'll have an entire suburb of Sydney, Australia that is...
Suddenly unemployed because they're not able to afford their mortgages.
A whole bunch of white-collar workers who just have not learned these skills in time, have not retrained themselves in time, and AI's just swept in and taken all their jobs.
And so I think that if people learn these tools now, they can adapt to the sort of inevitable world that we're heading in so that they don't end up in that situation.
That's how I see this, but we need tools we can trust.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Completely agree with you.
And the number one skill that everybody needs to learn watching this is prompting.
Prompt engineering, as it's called.
How do you prompt AI engines to get the results you want?
Now, Maria, I completely agree with you about the concerns.
I don't want an AI system running my finances, right?
I don't want an AI robot in my house that has opposable thumbs, okay?
Because it can grab knives and things and use them against me.
And I probably have too many, like...
Pistols laying around, too.
So you're not getting a humanoid robot?
I am not getting a humanoid robot, but I will gladly get a little robot dog that doesn't have fingers so it can't grab.
No, my rule, Maria, is only buy a robot that you can physically defeat.
Right.
So never buy a robot that can beat you up.
Is the idea.
Or can use tools against you like that.
And the only kind of robot I would ever buy would be an open source robot that does not talk to the internet or the cloud.
It has no Wi-Fi.
It has no capabilities.
It's running its own model.
It would have to be an open source model for like perimeter security.
Would I love a little doggy robot that runs around my property and with an infrared camera like filming everything?
Yeah, that'd be awesome.
Yeah, as long as it can't be hacked.
As long as it can't be hacked.
It's not connected to anything.
So that's the way I roll.
And the language model that we're producing, Brighttown.ai, it's designed to be run locally with no connections.
It does not talk to the cloud.
It is incapable of talking to the cloud.
It's designed for a Mad Max scenario.
The world ends.
You've got a solar panel and a laptop.
You can run this thing.
And it's an expert in survival and food production.
You can ask it all kinds of questions about how to not die.
You know, first aid treatments and how to make herbal extracts.
Yeah, that's what it's an expert in.
As opposed to Google's AI that recently told a student when it asked it, you know, existential crisis questions and it said, you are worthless, please die, human.
So, stark difference between the two.
Well, yeah, but this is interesting.
If you think about, like, the Terminator movie series and humanity, the resistance fighting against the Terminators, humanity used, A Terminator and mind-wiped it.
That was Terminator 2 when Arnold Schwarzenegger wanted to be the good guy, right?
So they used a Terminator, they mind-wiped it, reprogrammed it to protect John Connor.
And throughout that movie series, the humans always took advantage of whatever weapons they could get.
The plasma rifles, for example, right?
They were using plasma rifles.
They didn't say, oh, we're only going to use old flintlock rifles.
So human resistance always has to use the technology of the day.
To fight for human liberty and freedom and survival.
That's the way I see it.
I think the alternative is to become obsolete very, very quickly.
And AI is moving so rapidly right now that my prediction is now we will clearly have AGI in the next 18 months, if not already.
I actually think OpenAI already has it and they just haven't announced it yet.
Yeah, I think that's the case.
Now, superintelligence is something different, and it looks like China is winning this race.
And I've even mentioned, if the U.S. doesn't become competitive in this space, that Trump should prepare to sign articles of surrender to China, because...
That's what will happen.
If China wins this race to superintelligence, then the US is done.
And China will simply set the terms for global surrender.
And China will run the world.
And I don't want that to happen.
I heard a very interesting proposal recently.
A treaty.
Just an idea.
Matt Baker, if you know who he is, told me about this.
And he said basically, you know, we need a type of How we have with nuclear weapons, mutually assured destruction sort of documents out there, we need the same thing when it comes to ASI. Whoever launches their ASI first, because it essentially means world domination, is basically the equivalent of launching the first nuclear strike.
What do you think about that sort of thing?
Well, the mutually assured destruction was based on the presumption that multiple world leaders all had nuclear weapons and that they could destroy each other.
With equal ferocity, that's not true with ASI. Whoever gets to ASI first has a first strike advantage.
So in game theory, it's in their advantage to initiate that strike the moment they achieve it.
And they can block other nations from achieving it.
So MAD doesn't work with the race to ASI. China is on track to be there first.
They achieved that first.
Despite all the sanctions against microchips and the microchip fabrication technology exports and so on, China has proven to be incredibly resilient, as Russia has with its own economy.
And China's on track to achieve it first.
Clearly, that's the case.
Something's got to change for the U.S. to become competitive.
And I say that is that open AI needs to go to an open source, open sharing.
Elon is trying to do.
I agree with Elon on this point.
We need to buy out open AI, release the models publicly to the world and let the American people like myself and others who are, who have a lot of experience in tech, let us innovate.
We are the innovators.
We know how to do this stuff.
If we had, you know, and I've spent the last 10 years being censored and smeared and debanked and deplatformed, and you've been through this too.
We've been punished and suppressed when we are the ones who should have been given the tools to make America first, you know, to put America in the lead.
Well, I still love my country.
I'm still willing to serve in that role.
So give me the tools.
Give me the tools and we'll help America achieve it first.
That's my appeal to Trump and Elon.
Give us the tools.
We'll kick ass.
Yeah, I think that that is a wonderful approach, Mike.
I watched that interview with Marc Andreessen and Rogan where he was talking about the Biden administration essentially sat everyone down, I'm paraphrasing here, but sat everyone down in a meeting and said, don't even bother with AI startups.
We're going to have sort of one AI to rule them all.
Right.
Huge mistake.
Yeah, absolutely huge mistake.
And then, you know, you now have all these, even the people invested in Doge really, or in the inception of Doge rather.
Those involved in it, all coming from sort of big tech or biopharma industries.
And so I look at that and I look at Silicon Valley and I look at this race to power and I just think are people like us going to be shut out again?
Because right now you do have censorship when it comes to raising some concerns about AI. You do have censorship occurring when it comes to how much control are we giving these people?
And so I'm seeing the same patterns that we were in, say, the news when it comes to people talking about AI.
So essentially the only way forward is to present solutions like you are.
I can't really see another way.
That's the key.
So the reason we built our model, and we've spent under $1.5 million on this, which is unheard of in this industry.
But it's still a substantial sum, but we're giving it away to the world for free because it's the only model in the world that's trained on reality-based information.
You ask it about gender, you ask it about climate, you ask it about health and nutrition and disease prevention, it's going to give you answers that are consistent with your worldview if you're watching Maria Z, right?
And it's the only model in the world like that, and we're giving away the weights so other people can train on top of our model.
So we're doing...
We're giving this out there so that people can build AI wellness avatars and wellness coaches and nutrition coaches on our model completely free of charge and help spread this idea.
And this is the answer.
Doing this kind of thing is the answer.
Our model is not going to promote big pharma.
It's not promoting vaccines.
It's not promoting climate cultism and all that nonsense.
There might be still a few fragments and shadows of that because of some of the initial base model training, but we're reprogramming it.
As best we can.
And we're going to continue to release models that will continue to improve this year.
So that's what we're doing.
And I know we're almost out of time here.
But thank you for being so blunt and asking about this and giving me the opportunity to explain what we're doing and why we're doing it.
I agree with you.
Decentralization is the key.
We have to be mindful and never let a secret black box AI system control your life.
That's for sure.
Absolutely, Mike.
And I'm also grateful to you because there isn't really anyone I know that is as knowledgeable as you that's able to sort of tackle some of the concerns that I know our viewers have.
I certainly have.
And so I'm really glad that we spoke because I feel a lot more optimistic.
I'm encouraging everyone.
Brighteon.ai and let's use the tools that people that we trust have built so that we can actually be involved in shaping the world in the way that we want it to go.
We're seeing a clear destruction of the old system, one that is long overdue, but now is the time for us to step in.
And I just want to say here, Mike, as well, I read recently the founder of Gab, Andrew Torber.
Love him or hate him for the viewers, doesn't really matter where you sit on this, listen to his words.
He said where Christians went wrong in the early days of the internet is that they saw technology as evil, they didn't want to get involved, and what happened was the...
Evildoers, essentially, got complete control over this.
And we do have an opportunity with tools like the one that you've built to actually make a positive impact in something that's really inevitable.
So I'm very much looking forward to it.
And thank you so much, Mike, for sharing all of this with us today.
We really appreciate it.
Maria, I'll have an early version of this model in your hands.
You can download it and run it and play with it and tell me what you think.
Amazing.
And see what you want to do with it.
And it can summarize our interview.
That'll be a lot of fun.
Definitely.
I will use it and I will share the results with our audience.
And for those who are interested, highly encourage them to take a look.
Thank you so much, Mike.
Just let people know where to follow you other than your X account quickly.
Yes.
Well, naturalnews.com for our content, articles, and then brightown.com is the platform.
And brightown.ai is where you'll find the free AI model that you can download and run forever.
And you can even use it commercially yourself.
It's under a license that allows commercial use.
And again, it's completely non-commercial on our side.
Amazing.
Have fun with it.
Thank you so much, Mike Adams.
Really appreciate you.
God bless.
We'll speak soon.
God bless.
Thank you, Maria.
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