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Feb. 11, 2025 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Zano privacy crypto announces stunning new crypto infrastructure achievements...
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Welcome to today's interview here on brighteon.com, the
This is Decentralized TV, and Brighteon is our uncensored free speech platform.
But the show is Decentralized TV, and my co-host Todd Pitner will be joining us here in just a few minutes.
Just some technical difficulties to bring him in, but he's really excited about this interview today, and I am too.
I've been really anticipating this and I think you'll love it because I think that you could fairly characterize our guests today as some world-class leaders in privacy crypto.
And we are joined by Andre and Pavel from the Zano Project.
That's at zano.org.
That's Z-A-N-O.org.
Welcome, gentlemen, to the show today.
It's truly an honor to have you both on.
Thank you.
Thanks for having us.
And welcome, Todd.
It's great to have you.
We've only just begun.
Okay, good.
Yeah, this is Todd Pitner, everybody, our co-host for the show.
And Todd, we're only a couple minutes into this.
We're only beginning, so you haven't missed anything.
But welcome.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Good to be here.
I broke a speed record to get home.
No worries.
Well, your project is making waves lately.
And I have to admit that the first time that I interviewed you, I truly did not understand your project.
In the United States, Aaron Day, who we've had on as a guest many times, he has been really advocating for your project, and I think he's building another token on top of your Xano ecosystem.
I'm really excited about that as well.
Since then, I have used the Xano wallet, so I own some amount of Xano, playing with it, buying, selling, whatever, swapping, just trying to understand the ecosystem.
And what I would like you to do, please, can we start from the beginning?
For our users who are maybe new to Xano and what it is, and this is not some stupid meme coin, not some stupid FOMO pump and dump.
We have zero interest in that.
We have interest in infrastructure for privacy crypto.
So take it away and tell us what Xano is all about, please.
Well, to be fair, I think the last time you had an interview with Andre, Xano was completely different.
Project at the time we were focusing on privacy coin as a project and we did pivot to privacy ecosystem as you just described it.
Right now we are building the platform for developers and users to launch their own coins or tokens.
This is the common term.
We call them confidential assets on Zana blockchain without any overhead of worrying about the consensus.
Mining, networking, anything.
So this is indeed the privacy-oriented cryptocurrency platform.
So it's infrastructure for other people to build on top of and to build out their own tokens and applications, correct?
Correct.
Yes, we do have our native coins, Zana, and it works just as a coin, as you would expect.
The privacy coin, you still can transact with it and make it as a Let's go to Andre here.
Let me ask if I'm understanding this correctly about the practical application of this because my co-host Todd and I, we are not fans of the Bitcoin transparency.
You know, we believe in privacy, right?
But for people who have Bitcoin...
And let's say they want to send Bitcoin to a friend, but they don't think that it's any body's business or any government's business of where it's going.
Can they somehow, using confidential layer, can they take that Bitcoin, wrap it in Xano, send it through the Xano network, and then on the other side, the person unwraps, I mean, I'm using common terms, but they then retrieve the Bitcoin, but in between the...
The Bitcoin transaction is somehow not traceable?
Please explain to me how that works.
Yeah, what you mentioned, actually, you can do this way.
It basically involves a few steps.
You have to wrap your BTC into ZANA, whatever it will be called, I don't know.
And then you can privately send this transaction to an address of your friend or whoever.
Then basically someone will take this wrapped Bitcoin and unwrap it to a different address.
It's also possible to do this way.
Maybe someone will be keeping Bitcoins in a Zana network and basically using wrapped Bitcoin.
I hope that the way Confidential Layer is built We'll let people to be quite confident about safety of the funds because there won't be existing any private case in custody of these bitcoins which is held by the bridge.
All this secret will be shared between the group of participants of this bridge-less protocol.
And by this, we hope it's going to be enough secure so people just may keep the Bitcoin wrapped away.
And it's not necessary to back in Bitcoin network.
Just so our audience understands, this is not like this wrapping function.
This is not some custodial swap service or anything like that.
It's completely different from that.
It does not require you to give up control over your Bitcoin and then get back, XANA.
We're not talking about that at all, correct?
You actually send your Bitcoins to the decentralized custody of the breach.
And in exchange of this, you're getting wrapped BTC on the Zana side, like any other bridge is working.
Okay, but that's algorithmic and that's automatic and that's an instant exchange.
Yeah, that's algorithmic, that's automatic, but the key point is that normally in every breach, the weakest point is there is a somewhere private key from all assets that are custodied by this breach and some person or some hackers can take all this money and steal it.
And we try to fix this problem by not having this Private key at all, but instead of using threshold signature to distribute this custody between people that are bonded with the consensus of a bridgeless network.
Oh wow, so no one person has all the keys.
Yes, exactly.
This private key that holds Bitcoin doesn't exist.
It never appears anywhere.
By using Trust Hold Signature, only a group of 20 or 50 people that part of the consensus protocol collectively can sign a Bitcoin transaction.
But none of them can do it alone and none of them have enough information to generate this transaction alone.
Mike, I think about this point in time, this conversation probably went way over a lot of people's heads.
It got really technical, yeah.
Can we just back up a little?
Because I think this will be helpful.
And I've been dying to ask this question of both of you, just talking about Zano's mission and future.
So based on your mission today, Zano's mission today, which I'd like you to unpack.
Let's visit the future of Xano.
Okay, it's 2035. Where did Xano go from today, this interview, and what does that future success of Xano look like 10 years from now?
As you guys are drinking a beer saying, wow, what a decade.
It's really hard to imagine, but the ideal scenario for us would be to have Xano as part of an interconnected Set of blockchains people use globally.
For example, each blockchain, I mean, each legit blockchain have their own features and capabilities.
For example, Ethereum is a DeFi thing.
You can have any kind of complex financial operation working on top of Ethereum, and this is just the thing they do the best.
I would like to see Zana as a privacy layer if you want to bridge your assets that are interconnected between all kinds of chains and give them the features of privacy.
You bridge it to Zana and then you can transact without being tracked.
That would be probably the future.
I don't know if it does sound...
Good answer.
This is like our immediate plan.
I would say a couple years, maybe three years, that would be 35, I don't know, because AI will probably take over.
Yeah, probably.
Good point.
But see, what's interesting to me about all of this is with President Trump now, active as the president, he is a pro-crypto president, but not pro-privacy crypto, right?
So he's pro-mainstream.
Which is still, I think, a step in the right direction.
We may get some positive regulatory reforms.
If anything, it brings mainstream attention to the crypto and a tiny fraction of that attention goes to privacy, which is our goal.
Yes, right.
But Todd and I are strong advocates of privacy crypto.
We've interviewed top people at Firo and Monero and Todd's involved.
With people applying Epic Cash.
So we're all just advocates of privacy crypto.
And I think there's such a strong use case worldwide for private transactions, whereas I want all governments to use public transactions, public blockchains, and I want all citizens to use private blockchains.
That's my dream world.
What do you guys think?
That would make the most sense.
Let's talk privacy, if you don't mind.
And I think I'm being a little tongue-in-cheek here, right?
But does anonymity plus privacy plus digital transactions mean that you guys, because this is kind of what you're wanting to facilitate, you want to help the world facilitate illicit behavior, guys?
Or is privacy our right?
I think so.
It doesn't have to be something illicit.
It's just the same reason why don't you post your bank statement online.
It's just unsafe.
You can be a target.
You can be attracted.
It's just inconvenient.
I think it's an...
It's kind of like why, you know, I choose to close the door to...
Yeah, I mean, people don't have any issues with hiding their bank statements, but for some reason, having their entire transaction history with Ethereum or Bitcoin is fine.
But this is basically the same thing.
Let me ask you then about projects that you know of that are being built on Xano.
That is anything that you can talk about yet publicly.
Now, we know Aaron Day.
Who's been a guest on this show.
He says he's building a project that I think he's tying vaulted physical gold and silver to a token that's powered by Xano.
That's all I know about his project.
Are there other projects that you can talk about, or do you have words about that project?
Well, Aaron's project called Karma.
It's a gold-backed stablecoin, which is a really neat idea because it's...
Decentralized, as you probably know.
They have gold walls distributed in different geolocations, so it's not even one country or legal thing.
Another project we already mentioned is a confidential layer.
It's a bridge project.
I think, to my knowledge, I spoke with the team who are interested in building the NFT project based on XANA. There are a marketplace project called Bazaar.
That's another one.
They do use confidential assets, so this is also applicable.
There are a couple more teams that expressed their interest in building XANA, but they didn't move.
Beyond the idea phase, so I don't know if it's fair to count it.
So, well, there are some people interested and we haven't seen anything.
I think the Cake Wallet is launching the token and they also wanted to do a stablecoin.
I think it's used T-back stablecoin, but don't quote me on that.
I'm not entirely certain.
I remember reading that CakeWallet was, because I follow them on Twitter, I think they announced they're going to support Xano.
Has that been implemented yet, or is that coming?
Yes, there is an internal build.
I don't think it's been released to public yet, but if you follow their X account, you can download the beta version, and it's already working with Xano.
And by the way, confidential assets as well.
You can add Your confidential assets, so if you choose to launch one, it's already there.
The infrastructure is growing, and it doesn't have to be reliant on Xano, which is what we love the most about that collaboration.
So, Todd, we should, just for fun, just as a proof of concept, we should launch a DTV token on Xano.
I mean, not launch like we don't want to tell anybody to buy it, but just as a proof of concept.
Send it to each other.
Here!
And then, no, we'll create a billion of them, and then I'll pay you one dollar for one of them, and then we can say it's worth a billion dollars.
And the logo will be DTV Man.
Yeah, DTV Man would be the logo.
Totally.
And my dog.
We'll put my dog on the coin.
It'll be better than Dogecoin.
But Todd, we can be instant crypto billionaires.
Yeah, of course.
I have something for you two.
I submit that there's a huge void in crypto at large, and that's viable use cases that create value beyond speculation.
Yes.
In particular, I'm very interested in the notion of exchanging value privately within e-commerce.
100%, man.
My question is, is Xano addressing this?
Can you speak to how we might re-engineer e-commerce to empower the private exchange of value, specifically for goods and services?
And let me just add, great question, Todd.
I'm so glad you asked that.
But let me add, one of my companies is a big e-commerce company.
We would love to take Xano in our wallet.
We would love to take all kinds of crypto, actually, but it's been so difficult.
To integrate, and some of the e-commerce platforms don't allow crypto, which is crazy.
So back to Todd's question to either of you.
What about e-commerce and Xeno?
Well, first of all, I wanted to address the speculation part of the question because privacy crypto is...
Essentially, speculation proof, because the majority of the speculation comes from watching the online trading, and people can see coins being pumped, certain addresses accumulating, and that makes them do things, buy stuff.
And that is kind of self-promoting.
With confidential assets, it does not exist.
You cannot follow the addresses.
You cannot see balances.
Meaningful usage of the privacy crypto is a medium of exchange.
You can only trade it for things, otherwise it doesn't work.
It doesn't matter if you have a few billions of coins and no one knows that you own them.
And as far as e-commerce goes, that was and is a challenge because most of our issues are in the...
In legal, people don't like privacy crypto.
People are associated with the illicit activities.
And to be frank, none of us are experts in any of that.
So we try to stick to building tools.
This is why we were pivoted in the platform in the first place.
We expect people smarter than us, more familiar with the proper background to figure out the legal part of things.
And we'll just provide the tool for them to build their own solution, their own crypto, and deal with whatever legal technologies they have to deal with.
Because I think that along those lines, every government around the world, or I should say at least every Western government, is definitely going to try to marginalize privacy crypto.
There's no question about it, because they want to be able to see everybody's transactions and spy on everybody, you know, CBDCs.
I think that's why even the Trump administration is advocating Bitcoin, and his recent executive order said that all Americans should have access to, what was it, transparent crypto.
He didn't say privacy crypto.
Did you see that, Todd?
He didn't mention privacy crypto.
He's like, transparent crypto so that we can watch you, you know?
But, you know, privacy crypto, like, look at Monero today.
Monero is used at farmers markets.
Monero is used at, you know, in-person exchanges and trades and gifts and tipping and all kinds of things like that.
All kinds of nefarious things like that.
Yeah, nefarious things like Christmas presents, you know?
Couldn't Xano coexist even if the governments don't want privacy crypto?
Yeah, they can.
Same way.
It's not like we need to have an ETF or something.
We could just have enough audience to be able to transact between themselves and trust each other.
other, that would be enough to kickstart the process.
And it's already working for Monero.
We're just making another step further with the confidential assets, allowing people to tokenize their business as assets and launch their own economies on top of Privacy Network.
Well, I can see some really good use cases even in our own company for that investment.
For example, we're about to launch an AI engine called ENOC. It's an LLM. We can't give it away to the public for free if we're hosting it because of the cost of inference, but we could let people burn tokens to use the engine, like token for token.
One LLM token, it costs you one token on, maybe it's a Xano token that we create and we give them to subscribers or we give them to customers or whatever.
That's a really practical use case.
Because if you're building a privacy-focused AI platform, and then you have people to connect their credit card to it, that kind of loses.
Totally.
Totally.
Because it has your email address, it has your name, and yeah.
But if you have a Xanobac DTV token, Mike.
There we go.
Yeah, exactly.
DTV tokens get you extra bonuses.
No, but this, see, I'm glad we're having this discussion because this is a great actual use case where, you know, our engine is very much uncensored, and our engine is heavily trained on censored information, including every interview on this program, right?
So it's, you know, it should be called the decentralization large language model, really, frankly, but we just call it Enoch, which refers to the hidden Bible scriptures, but that's a great use case.
But Todd, I mean, you're working on a marketplace project, I think, with Epic, and doesn't the same rule apply?
Like, people want to buy and sell stuff.
It's not nefarious stuff.
You're not selling rocket launchers, you know.
But it should be private.
It should be private.
The genesis of the project I'm working on was I had a good friend of mine call me and say, this was in 2023, latter part, he was like, hey, Todd, you really need a Blackstone grill.
And I'm like, you know, I don't know.
Well, no kidding.
He then sent me a couple of links by text.
And I'm not kidding you.
Just that transaction by phone and text, every website I went to, all of a sudden, everything Blackstone Grill was just accosting me.
And that really started ticking me off because I'm like, these people are totally just whoring out our personal data and then wait.
If I went and bought that Blackstone Grill, oh my goodness.
So my vision, the genesis was that, that ticked me off, was in a perfect world, I'd want to be able to have a, let's call it a private Amazon out there, right?
To where people could on-ramp any asset they wanted, any digital asset, they could connect a credit card to it or whatever, and it would go through a specific wallet that would magically turn it into The specific crypto, the private crypto that would be transacted during that whole process, and then everything would be hidden.
It would totally be private.
Nobody's business.
Just like walking into a farmer's market with cash.
Nobody is surveilling that.
And then the vendors could off-ramp that private crypto into whatever asset they want.
They want it to be, you know, Fiat, God bless America.
If they want it to be BTC or Monero or whatever, they could do that.
That, in my perfect world, would be something I think that the same people who use DuckDuckGo to be able to, the 2% of the population that use it, like you said earlier, it's like we don't have to have all of the people in e-commerce, but just maybe the 2% of the it's like we don't have to have all of the people in e-commerce, but just maybe the
So that's why I talk about exchanging value privately as a giant use case, and I really hope that smart people like you out there are really giving that serious consideration as a medium of exchange.
Yeah, that's where we are trying to get it.
And on top of confidential assets and on itself, I think We should mention another feature of Zana Blockchain.
We have aliases.
It's a short name attached to address and recently we released the Zana metrics server.
So now you can have conversation.
You can send assets or Zana coins to the person you don't know and never met, but be sure that you're communicating with exactly the person you sent money to.
So those are the things we are trying to fix and address.
And if you imagine having the privacy-focused Amazon, it would be something similar.
You'll have an address with the alias.
You have a way to talk to that person and be sure that you are talking to that person and you'll be able to send confidential assets or SANA to that person in exchange of some goods.
So is this referring to your escrow feature?
Is that what you're talking about?
No, that's not an escrow feature.
Escrow feature is another feature, but it also could be useful in that scenario.
I'm just trying to say the reason why you are seeing the ads all over the internet is because of the cookies and the website is because you go to the website that target you specifically.
Right.
We use privacy focused website with no cookies and communicate not through, I don't know, Instagram Messenger or whatever people use.
And use aliases.
That's all you need to know about the person you are talking to.
You don't know who that is.
You don't know the address.
You just know like this is the name.
This is the name and you can send money to that name and he or she will get it.
We haven't really covered just the basic features here.
Stealth addresses, privacy of the amount of the transaction.
We've got so much.
We've been doing this thing for years.
I mean, it's been over five years.
So whatever is covered on the website, this is probably ZANA 1.0.
We have like ring signatures and all that.
But we are building the infrastructure around it.
And the thing I just mentioned, it's based on...
Aliases, and there is a privacy-focused messenger based on the Matrix protocol that uses Aliases as logins, basically.
And this is how you can talk to the person on Zana network without exchanging any emails or Telegram contacts or whatever people normally do.
Hey, Mike, I just want to let our audience know, you're looking at two people here, everyone.
Two people who are...
The founders of privacy-centric protocols.
And so these are the pioneers.
So just speaking for myself, I'm really honored that you're on this show today with Mike and me.
And I just want to applaud you for the last five years, the last 15 years, everything that has driven you to this point.
And man, I think Zano is going to be a real contender, is already a contender out there, to really help all of us acquire our own personal privacy in many different ways, Mike.
Yeah, I feel the same way, and to both of our guests here today, as we're about to wrap this up.
But, you know, it's the challenge we have on the show is we're trying to translate your brilliance into the everyday language and practical things that people can use.
So let me let me make this offer to you.
If you'll keep in touch with me and tell me when is confidential layer public, we'll do what I said.
Todd and I will just create, you know, just for fun, just like a DTV token on Xano.
We can send it to people, we can play with it, we can show it on the screen.
I want to demonstrate this.
But what I really want to demonstrate is taking Bitcoin, wrapping it in a privacy layer.
Then I want to send the Xano wrapped Bitcoin to Todd and then Todd unwraps it.
And let's just see how that process works.
So we really understand it.
Is that is that fair enough?
I mean, like, can we soon can do that?
Let's totally do that.
We could have a live session doing just that.
I think the release is planned in the end of March.
Okay.
So if we can book it in two months, we could play around and do it live.
Let's do it.
Or Ethereum or any kind of token.
We can create a new token and transact it between chains.
We can create token on Zana and bridge it to Ethereum or we can do the other way around.
That sounds like fun.
It sounds like a great show.
Actually, let's do that.
And in the meantime...
Keep us posted.
Is there anything else that either of you would like to add to our interview today before we wrap it up?
Well, I think it's been a lot.
We have plenty of features left, but it's going to be a mess if we just start throwing names of the technologies.
So let's keep it on the topic.
If today it was an introduction of privacy.
Okay, apologies, but our session there froze up.
But what I wanted to add is that Todd and I, we have zero interest in just speculation of coins or FOMO or buy low, sell high.
Life is too short to waste time on that kind of nonsense.
But we have every interest in practical applications of privacy tokens or privacy coins.
And what really intrigues me about Xano is that they're building the infrastructure for private transactions.
All right.
Well, gentlemen, you know, it's a real honor to have you on the show today.
And let me just reiterate that Todd and I are, you know, we're educators for serious, mature people who are interested in the practical applications of crypto.
We're not interested in, you know, speculation, all that nonsense.
And you're not either.
That's not what Xano is about.
Xano's about building infrastructure, and that's what intrigues us.
So we're going to keep in touch with you.
We're going to keep in touch with Aaron Day.
We'll roll out, you know, I mean, just for fun, just launch a DTV token and play around with it.
And we look forward to getting back together with both of you guys again in a couple of months to demo all this.
And thank you for joining us today.
Yeah, sounds terrific.
Thanks for having us.
And by the way, I know that there's a huge...
I know there's a huge time difference, so thank you for staying away.
Thank you for staying up.
It's been a pleasure.
We work late, so it's the end of our normal routine.
Well, keep doing what you're doing.
I think it's important for the world.
I think it's important for human freedom.
It's important for decentralization of knowledge, decentralization of finance, etc.
The world will be a better place because of Xano, I believe.
So thank you both, and enjoy the rest of your evening.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Bye.
See you guys.
All right.
And thank all of you for watching now.
Stay tuned because Todd and I will be back after this break with our after-party discussion.
So stay tuned.
We'll be right back.
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All right, welcome back, folks.
This is the After Party with Todd Pitner.
So, Todd, thank you for all your questions and bringing it back.
I was getting a little too deep in the tech weeds there during that interview.
You're welcome.
You know me.
I have to dumb it down so that I'll understand it.
But this is about practical applications, right?
Right.
At the end of the day, the end user doesn't care what the math is.
They just want it to work.
Yeah, yeah.
And be secure, right?
Yeah, and I think it can be so overwhelming that people just give up before they try.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, sometimes.
That's the case.
That's why I believe, and I brought up use cases and such.
If there can be hand-delivered...
Plug-and-play use cases where private crypto is part of the solution, then that's when I think, you know, people will get people's attention because they'll love the idea of being able to, you know, whether it's shop privately and not have their information.
Because, you know, Temu right now, I mean, they're being sued left and right, but Temu is the worst.
Oh, really?
If you have the Temu app, yeah, because they have a backdoor on your mobile device, and I know you don't have to deal with this, right?
But most people that just want cheap goods and somebody says, Temu, oh my God, you can get $90,000.
I've never used it.
Oh, don't ever.
Anybody, never download Temu on your device.
I did because of that project I'm working on, and we want to be like Temu, but private, right?
And so I went through the process, because I never really knew about Temu, and oh my gosh, they, even though I've deleted everything off of my device, they have a backdoor in there, and they know it.
Everybody knows it.
There's no privacy that I think that I have left on anything other than my de-Googled phone.
So yeah, you're going to have to torch that phone and just go to a whole new phone.
Yeah, yeah.
That's what it sounds like.
Exactly.
But, you know, at the point in time there is a solution to where I know my data isn't being harvested all along the way, that's going to make me feel better, Mike.
Well, and I was thinking during our short break here, I was thinking like a really great use case for Xano is let's say Bitcoin becomes the only accepted crypto on e-commerce platforms that are mainstream, okay?
Right.
Well, and let's say the people out there, they have Bitcoin, they want to spend Bitcoin, but they don't want their purchase tracked.
Well, they could use Xano.
They could just do a Bitcoin Xano wrap and then send it to another Xano wallet and then unwrap it and then use that Bitcoin to make the purchase.
And it like breaks the chain of the Bitcoin.
And the way that you do that, Mike, is you have, well, you know, my phraseology.
Somebody could send any asset into what's called a NowDeals wallet, right?
And then, boom, that magically happens.
They don't have to be crypto experts for that transition to take place, whereon then they can go exchange value privately.
True.
And then when it's off-ramped, it just reverses it and goes back to whatever asset the vendor wants.
Right.
That's the whole vision here.
I think so.
No, I think what Xano and other solutions can offer is a privacy off-ramp from the surveillance of Bitcoin.
Yes.
But you can still use your Bitcoin.
Yeah.
If you want to go through these extra steps, if you're just privacy conscious, as most of our audience are, obviously, then this gives you an option to do that.
So I'm really curious about this confidential layer, like when it goes live, when it goes public.
I want to test it, man.
I want to see how it works.
Because I think Bitcoin, even the mainstream e-commerce platforms like Shopify, I think will go back to accepting Bitcoin, but probably not any of the privacy crypto.
No, I don't think so.
That'll be a long time.
Right.
Not even Monero, you know?
No.
They won't accept it.
Because privacy is a four-letter word, Mike.
That's what they believe.
Yeah.
How crazy is that, huh?
It's nuts.
Bonkers.
Hey, speaking of privacy and, you know, Each time we have a show, give you the opportunity to plug your projects.
This is how we fund the show, of course.
As I understand it, the Corporate Transparency Act is still on hold.
There's still no requirement, no legal requirement at the moment for small businesses to hand over all their identity to the federal government because there's a hearing scheduled, I think, March 25th about an injunction that's in place.
There's also a lot of talk about Trump wanting to end the IRS, which sounds awesome.
In the meantime, Todd, you are involved in a project, and I'd like you to go ahead and share it now that can help people protect their privacy.
Great.
Well, everybody, please visit My575e.com.
And that's where you can begin.
And you just put in your name, email address, and that'll give you access to a 90-minute private video where I interview a gentleman, Dennis Gray, who's been at this for 34 years.
He's the one I acquired my UNA from five years ago.
And, man, it's been life-changing for me.
About a year ago, Mike, I decided I was going to share with others through this show.
And over the year, there's been over 100 people who've acquired the UNA, and I just have to share something with you.
You know, we have a private telegram group.
When somebody acquires a UNA, they end up getting an invitation to that.
The number is 60, Mike.
I threw my conversations with our members in there.
The youngest is 24, the oldest.
Is 84. And everybody in between.
But this last week, somebody posted in there, and I'm like, I have to write that down.
I have to share that with Mike.
But this is a direct quote from a person who has been in there for a couple of months now.
And he said, quote, knowing what I know now, if you earn money, own a home and or have children, it would almost be irresponsible to not investigate this entity.
Isn't that great?
And so and so that's what that's what my Web site allows people to do.
And inevitably, what I find, Mike, is that most people get 95 percent of the way there, but they still have some questions.
And if you do, then there's a way for you to be able to book some time with me in there.
And when people do, I had one this morning and the wife was just like, my gosh, you de-confused everything for me.
Thank you.
And so I invite people to do that.
Look, it's just something that once you kind of go down the rabbit hole, I think you'll be really happy that you did and helping a lot of people keep more of what they earn, Mike.
You know, it's really interesting.
I interviewed, I think about a week ago, not for this show, but just separately, I interviewed Joe Bannister, the former IRS agent.
And Paymon with Freedom Law School.
And what Joe Bannister says is that, in his view, as a really well-educated accountant and former IRS investigator slash prosecutor, in his view, the entire tax code, the federal tax code, is illegal or illegitimate, null and void, and it's only voluntary.
But what you offer through my 575E, at least as I understand it, You're not taking that track at all.
You're not saying that the IRS is illegitimate.
In fact, this is a vehicle that works within, as I understand it, code that the IRS has written for nonprofits, correct?
As a matter of fact, if I'm not divulging any secrets, I mean, prior to you opening your church, you did your own investigation into it and your own research, and indeed, this is established.
By the California Secretary of State.
So that's lawful, right?
Yeah, it's actually filed with the state, right?
It's then sanctioned, and you're provided an EIN number by the Internal Revenue Service.
And then with those two documents, plus the Articles of Association that are just packed with case law, you can go open up a bank account with all of the major banks out there, and it goes up.
The legal flagpole.
So all of these banks have their legal...
So there is nothing that is unlawful about this.
This is Mike...
Yeah, it's not like a tax protest type of thing at all.
Look, there's a big difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance.
And if you can avoid taxes or lawfully be able to take certain deductions, then we should celebrate that, right?
Yeah.
And that's what this is all about because I'm not one that wants to pick a fight with the IRS or the government or anything.
That's why I fell in love with this five years ago versus becoming a sovereign citizen or something because I... I just like having one foot in the public, one foot in the private.
I don't want to have a fight for anyone.
I don't want to worry about going to my mailbox and then opening it up and having a hate letter from you-know-who in there.
I ended up, of course, I launched a church.
I didn't have a need for a UNA, so I didn't really dig any deeper at that time.
I think there are a lot of parallels.
Our church allows us to serve our mission of donating a lot of food to people.
We've donated, I think, $500,000 plus of food in North Carolina and California people and Florida also.
The church gives us the perfect vehicle.
What's interesting to me is that in the IRS tax code, it says there's a mandatory exemption for the churches.
It's like, it's right there in the code.
Like, the IRS, you don't file church income with the IRS. And they can't make you, they can't compel you to testify against your own church, by the way.
This was really interesting to me that there are vehicles.
It all tracks.
There's a reason why Nelson Rockefeller coined the phrase, own nothing, control everything.
This is not unique.
And by the way, Did you know the FDIC is an unincorporated association?
Bank of America, NA, unincorporated association.
Interesting.
Yeah, when somebody else was doing the due diligence and their attorney came back and says, I don't know, maybe one day they'll legislate these out of existence.
I shared that with Dennis, who's been creating these, helping people over the 34 years.
And he laughed and he says, oh, they only knew how many legislators I've helped set up.
Yeah, exactly.
Okay.
Well, very good stuff.
Again, I'm just showing your website on my screen right now for people who want to go there and check it out.
There it is.
What I want to mention from our side is if you go to healthrangerstore.com slash escape, then you get these EMF blocking products that we offer in conjunction with the Satellite Phone Store, which is our sponsor.
And these have built-in Faraday bags like this backpack, which is bulletproof.
It's got a ballistic rating.
I think it's a 3A plus rating.
You can look at the details there.
But it's got four different Faraday compartments in it.
So you can protect your electronics from surveillance or from EMP attack or from 5G towers or whatever.
You can put your laptop in there.
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I'm like, wow.
You must be planning for some really heavy-duty action.
I need to protect my electronics and not get shot.
Like, what are you up to?
All I ask is that they add a little loop so that I can put my Escape from L.A. knife in.
Yeah.
Totally, totally.
We have an amazing line of knives, actually, at the Health Ranger store as well.
So, yeah, if you go to healthrangerstore.com slash knives, it takes you here.
So I... I co-designed each of these knives and also the hatchets and machetes because I have a very specific sort of ergonomic requirement.
But the most hilarious and famous one is this one, Escape from L.A., that you were talking about, Todd, that has this giant pry bar on the front and this reverse bottle opener, we call it, which is a hook.
And the reason I wanted this is because I found on the ranch in Texas that I have these fence posts with barbed wire.
And the barbed wire is nailed into the fence post with these little staples.
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Brilliant.
So you can remove barbed wire.
You can wedge open stuck windows or stuck doors or whatever.
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It's designed to escape when the power goes down and your building no longer works and you're stuck.
Wow.
It's like, or your car.
Like, maybe you have an EV and all the power went down and you got to get out of your freaking car because it's on fire.
Like, that happened to people.
Like, break the window, smash it, pry open the door, get the hell out because this thing's going to burn up, you know?
You don't want to be trapped in a lithium fire.
So funny.
Anyway, so Todd, that's the show for today.
Thank you so much for your time.
This was a great conversation and I love your questions too.
You're welcome.
Thank you.
All right, everybody, thank you for watching and come back.
We have like maybe 70, 75 other ones that if you are just new to here that are timeless, you can go back to decentralized.tv and binge watch them all and they're all timeless, right?
Totally, totally.
We've got a lot more coming and soon on this show, we'll be demonstrating our new Enoch AI model live.
And Todd, you can ask it questions.
I can't wait.
Yeah, you can ask it questions.
This will be fun.
You know I think about my questions, Mike.
I know.
You'll have them.
You'll have them nailed down.
All right, bro.
All right.
Well, thank you, Todd, and thank all of you for watching today.
This is decentralized.tv is the website where you can find all the episodes.
And, of course, I'm Mike Adams of brighteon.com, and Todd Pittner is our co-host, and we always have a great time together, so thank you for supporting us.
We'll talk to you next time.
Take care.
Cheers.
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