Health Ranger interviewed by Seth Holehouse on AI-augmented survival, prepping and off-grid living
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Welcome to Man in America.
I'm your host, Seth Hullhouse.
So, a massive change has happened in the tech industry these past couple of days, specifically in the AI industry.
A Chinese company released an open-source AI called DeepSeek.
Now, DeepSeek, though it was built, you know, supposedly, according to the story, for a fraction, absolute fraction of the cost of our current AI giants dominating here in the United States.
Specifically, OpenAI, a lot of what Meta is doing, this DeepSeek AI was significantly more powerful, and it's a reasoning AI. So it doesn't just bring you information, say, here's the information you're looking for.
It actually thinks about it, and it learns as it's going, which is significant.
So my guest today is Mike Adams, who I think is the perfect person to have this discussion because he's developing his own massive AI model called ENOC, which we'll talk about.
But he's also someone that understands the threat of surveillance, the threat of technocracy.
And he understands the geopolitics of how these things fit in.
Because if you look at the timing of Trump's recent announcement to build these massive data centers under the Stargate project headed by Larry Ellison from Oracle and Sam Altman from OpenAI, it's apparent that the United States is putting a significant weight into the AI arms race.
Now, China releasing this raises a lot of questions for me.
Is it something that is loaded with backdoors for the CCP? Well, according to a lot of folks, it's not because it's open source and you can download it and run it offline.
So that's a good point.
The bigger questions I have is that, is this part of their unrestricted warfare to thwart a lot of the efforts in the tech sector here in America?
But then you get into a lot of bigger questions of, where does this lead to?
What happens to the person or the country that wins the AI arms race?
How does this AI affect us?
How can we escape AI? Because I certainly don't want to have robot dogs and drones controlling everything and monitoring everything.
I want to live in the country with no computers.
That may not be a reality that is Acceptable because the whole world is going down this technological path.
And so Mike and I are going to be diving deep into these questions.
And I've got some questions that I'm going to be asking him that will hopefully challenge his beliefs.
And likewise, he will be absolutely challenging my beliefs as well.
So my goal is that this interview is helpful for you to frame what's happening, to provide some context, but fundamentally to also take all this into consideration and still find hope for humanity, still find a future that does...
Mr. Mike Adams, it is always a pleasure to have you on the show.
And as busy as you are, I'm amazed that you find time for folks like me.
So thank you for being here, Mike.
Well, come on, Seth.
I love our conversations.
I'm honored that you'd have me on.
I really look forward to this.
So thank you.
Absolutely.
So, you know, I have a few different ways of testing a topic and to see if it's relevant and everyone's talking about it.
And one of the ways, I'll call my mom, right, who watches my show, but she's also watching Fox News and what's happening.
I say, Mom, do you know what DeepSeek is?
And she says, Oh, yeah.
Well, I heard you mention it, but then after you talked about it, all the mainstream media was talking about it.
She goes, you're always ahead of the mainstream media.
I said, okay, so you know what it means when I say deep seek, which really is, I think, such an important thing to discuss.
And before we dive into the details, I want to bring up a quick article that really helps set the stage for our discussion.
This is an article from Foreign Policy.
This was written back in, I think, 2019. It says, whoever predicts the future will win the AI race.
And it says, China, Russia, and the U.S. are approaching the long-term strategic potential of AI very differently.
The country that gets it right will reap huge military benefits.
I want to scroll down to this quote from Putin here.
So Putin said, whoever becomes the leader in this sphere will become the ruler of the world.
And I feel like the fact that this was six years ago is so telling to what's going on right now.
And I know that you are heavily...
Not just a fan of AI, but you're heavily invested in it and you're building your own large language model AI, which I think is amazing.
And so I can't wait to get your take on it.
But you're also someone that understands geopolitics and military strategy.
And I want to talk about some of those things as well.
But let me first hear it from you because you're the first real expert I've talked to outside of doing my own research on this.
What is DeepSeek and why is DeepSeek so significant right now?
Why is it?
Knocking off, you know, a trillion dollars in market cap of NVIDIA and the stock market.
What's going on here?
So let me just provide some context that, you know, I'm known as the Health Ranger, but back in the 1990s, I started a software company and I've written a lot of code in my life.
I'm a coder.
I ran software development teams and I've continued to run teams.
For example, I ran the team that built Brighttown.ai.
I ran our multi-site content management system production project years ago, etc.
So I've spent about 15 months building an AI model that's called Enoch.
and Enoch will be released free open source to the world on March 1st, maybe actually a few days sooner, at brightown.ai.
And this model is the only model in the world that's trained on the kind of information that you and I love, Seth.
It's all about permaculture, gardening, off-grid living, sustainability, herbs, nutrition, natural medicine, survival and preparedness.
I mean, it will walk you step by step through how to build a shelter, how to build a compost pile, how to diagnose an infestation of tomato plants, whatever.
I mean, the knowledge of it is extraordinary.
And apparently nobody else in the world...
In the tech industry cares about these subjects.
So they're not building models like this, but I want a model that we can use offline, doesn't require the internet, doesn't work in the cloud, doesn't monitor you, and doesn't cost anything so that we can all run it on our laptops and have like a gardening coach and a wellness coach, like right there.
That whole thing is called a knowledge model, is the way I refer to it, or a large language model, but I call it a knowledge model because it's not a reasoning model.
So a reasoning model, which is what DeepSeek R1 is, is a model that thinks through step by step, logically, through a problem to arrive at a conclusion, and then it checks itself on that conclusion, but it also checks itself at each step along the way.
Now, a reasoning model typically is very good at mathematics, physics, chemistry, you know, obviously logic.
And a reasoning model can do things like calculate the thermal coefficients of a mass of water and tell you how long it'll take before it freezes in a certain temperature with a certain wind speed and a certain air density, etc.
For example, here's a real practical example.
I was asking DeepSeq R1 just the other day, About what's the best combination of common solvents that can be used to make an extract of rosmarinic acid from common rosemary herb?
Because you might grow rosemary herb, and you might say, hey, I need to make natural medicine out of this, right?
This could be something you do in a Mad Max scenario, as long as you have a computer, a laptop functioning.
So I asked the model, like, of all the common solvents that we might have around, nothing crazy exotic, nothing toxic, because I want to drink this.
What are the best solvents?
And it knew the polarity of rosmarinic acid.
It knew the solubility of it in the different solvents, such as isopropyl alcohol, IPA, glycerin, or water.
And it actually came up with a formula, which was 40% IPA, 50% water, and 10% glycerin.
And it explained why that's the best solvent solution.
Now, I found that fascinating because in my laboratory, we use...
50-50 IPA and water as kind of the default solvent that pulls out the most molecules.
But it turns out that adding 10% glycerin actually improves solubility for certain phenolic compounds, which is rosmarinic acid.
So that was a great lesson for me and a practical thing.
I don't mean to geek out here on the interview, but that's a practical question.
Where the model can reason through chemistry and give you an answer.
Like, I didn't need to call up a university chemistry professor and say, hey, can you do me a favor?
Can you calculate this, you know?
I just asked DeepSeek, and it was running on my desktop, okay?
So it wasn't in the cloud.
I downloaded the model for free.
I'm running it on gamers' graphics cards in my computer, like NVIDIA GeForce cards, right?
Gamer cards.
And it's doing freaking PhD-level chemistry and math, right?
And that just scratches the surface.
I've got it writing code.
It's writing Python code.
It's writing Windows batch files.
It can calculate amortization.
It can help you make financial decisions.
You name it, right?
This is a game changer.
The world changes from this point forward.
So to answer your first question, that's why people are freaking out because this has just been given away for free to the world, interestingly, from China.
Like, the entire USA tech sector never gave us anything like this.
They have closed-source models that they control, and they use it to spy on us.
China gave us this gift, probably the greatest gift of technology in the history of humanity.
Just came from China, not the USA. Which is interesting.
So a few questions and comments.
First off, just about Enoch.
I'm already thinking, okay, I need to find a cheap laptop, put Enoch on there, put it in one of my Faraday bags.
Stuff it in the back of my closet and forget about it.
Because if there's a grid down scenario or anything like that, I've got a whole library of paper prepping books.
The Foxfire series.
All kinds of how-to.
Which, of course, if there's a grid down and you've got that book that tells you how to mend a wound or how to fix a broken leg or how to solve an animal's illness.
Those are life-saving measures.
I'm thinking, gosh, you're AI. I need to get that on some sort of EMP-proof system so that I always have access to that no matter what.
That's true.
Deep Seek is a gift, but I think in what you're doing and everything you've done for prepping, I'd say that ENOC is the greatest gift that you have provided for surviving any kind of post-apocalyptic scenario.
Well, there's no question, Seth.
I appreciate you saying that.
I also feel like this is the most important thing I've ever done in my life, is to produce this model and give it to the world.
If I do nothing else in my life, like, that's worth it, you know, to put that out there.
Because it is, it's trained on, you know, millions and millions of pages of content about survival prepping, natural medicine, emergency medicine, all these things.
And a lot of other areas like Austrian economics as well.
It knows all about gold and the Federal Reserve on top of that.
But the key benefit of this is, like you said, you have this library of books, and if you try to find an answer, you have to physically search through, you know, go through the index or the table of contents, and then flip the pages and try to scan the text.
An AI engine like Enoch, which is not a reasoning model, I want to be clear, it doesn't do math for you, but it has knowledge, it can save you, you know, 100 hours of research on a question, and it can give you the answer in 60 seconds.
Authoritatively from all the material that has gone into it.
And interestingly, Seth, every interview that you and I have ever done is built into the model.
It's trained in.
So our discussions have been part of it.
So I will live on into infinity through Enoch, which I think, I remember you mentioned it, we were discussing, and you asked me, you asked for my permission at some times, hey, you mind if I put all this information?
And I was like, of course.
Absolutely.
It's great.
And so we'll just say about DeepSeek.
So my wife is more similar to you in terms of her technology background.
And so right now she's been doing a lot of coding and we're rebuilding our website and she's doing some things.
And she's been, basically she's been using ChatGPT for a lot of her assistance, especially as it relates to scraping.
Scraping pages and setting up automation.
So she's setting up some automation so I can press a button and the AI will then, or the scripts will build out all my live streams, upload videos and that kind of stuff.
So she's building this out.
But she keeps banging her head against the table with ChatGPT because she says, it doesn't learn.
Like it does something and it'll fix it.
And I'll say, no, you're wrong for this reason.
And it'll say, oh, thank you.
That must be a pain.
And it goes, it makes the same mistake over it again.
So it's not learning as it's going.
It's repeating the same mistakes over and over again.
Well, part of that's going to be solved.
By the way, I would suggest that she experiment with the software LM Studio.
Use LM Studio with the QWEN model, Q-W-E-N, because QWEN has hooks in it that can invoke desktop agents.
So you could use Python code, or you could just manually prompt...
Quinn to use your browser and search the web for this, let's say, or go to a website and do this, and you feed that prompt into LM Studio that's running Quinn, and then LM Studio can use Quinn's engine calling capabilities, let's say, to invoke a local agent.
The reason I'm saying this is that chat GPT is obsolete at this point.
Really, the answer is going to be decentralization, local control, and what's going to solve the memory question that you're just mentioning is vastly increased context-length windows, where it remembers everything you've done and told it for the last 30 days.
I think, in fact, Quen 2.5 Turbo has 1 million tokens of context-length support right now.
Although it's not perfect, that's huge.
I mean, I've been working with models at 128K tokens, and I will paste in the text of an entire book, and I will give it a prompt to write a five-minute video narration script covering that book.
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So I'm pasting it a whole book and it handles that no problem.
I did that for Dr. Thomas Cowan's book, The Contagion Myth.
And we put out a video on that.
It was awesome.
It was like, this is the best way to experience the book, actually, you know?
But when you have a 1 million token context length, you can feed in multiple books, and you can have a prompt that says, like, extract the most relevant components from all these books.
So that's coming.
It's going to keep expanding.
It is.
Well, and so one thing, and thank you for explaining.
Deep Seek.
And that was my experience, too, in looking at Deep Seek.
And we've been running it also and experimenting with it.
And I saw some of the same things like, oh, it could go and it would learn.
It would research something.
You could say, go research this, and it would come back and it'd show you.
It discovered this, and then it would then take that data, calculate the next level of research, take that data.
And really, it's that next step towards AGI, right?
The artificial general intelligence, which is almost like AI becoming sentient, which takes me back to...
Terminator movies growing up and Skynet and all that stuff.
So something I want to kind of dig into a little bit with you here is what's going on behind the scenes with it.
Because I understand completely the context of what it's opened up and the fact that it was given out for free.
But I'm curious, I'm going to pull up a few different things.
So one about the article I showed you.
Here's a different article talking about...
That China's deep seek has close ties to Beijing, right?
So if you look into, which of course it would, and you know China extremely well.
You've had Jeff Nyquist on and a lot of people that really understand China.
And one of the things I'm thinking about when I see this is, like, what's the deeper meaning behind this?
Like, does this fit into the CCP's unrestricted warfare in terms of, was it...
Intentional with the timing of it coming out just after Trump is in office, within days of him announcing Stargate, which is one of the biggest tech infrastructure projects in the history of our country.
But then looking at just the story behind it, because if you look at Facebook and Zuckerberg, you dig a little bit.
It's like, oh, this was most likely some sort of DARPA project that they found someone like Zuckerberg to be the face of, to be the story of this young college kid that built it in his dorm room.
And whereas my perspective is it's probably closer to being some sort of military industrial complex data gathering operation that is sold to us as this social media.
Right.
And so if you look into Facebook, Facebook, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Right.
Which they're saying, you know, they say that it was done for under $10 million as like a side project for this kind of 40-year-old tech prodigy, this quant.
But then you look at, there was an interview that came out.
It was this guy right here.
He was the CEO of Scale AI saying that his guess or what he understands is that DeepSeek is actually using about 50,000 of these NVIDIA H100 chips, which I think that these chips are...
$20,000 to $25,000 a pop, which is over a billion dollars in chips that they're using, which to me makes me think, well, maybe it wasn't this $10 million side project, but is it something deeper than that?
Like the same thing our own government does to us, where they tell us, it's like, oh, this unicorn company, like Facebook, for instance, and you find out there's something deeper behind it.
So do you think that...
There's something deeper behind this in terms of China's overall long-term military strategy in becoming the dominant country.
Yes, let me unpack all of that.
Great questions.
You've done a lot of analysis.
This is awesome.
Okay, so number one, regardless of how much compute that you think went into building the DeepSeek model, whether it's the secret room of graphics cards that...
The model is real.
It exists.
It's given out for free.
It's open source.
And it doesn't surveil users because you can use it offline.
So number one, even if you think that they're not reporting the actual cost that went into the model, this is still the greatest technological achievement in the history of computing.
Either way, right?
And it doesn't spy on you.
Unlike Google, which does spy on you, unlike Anthropic, which refuses to answer questions that are critical of big pharma, by the way.
I mean, I have used DeepSeq to generate summaries of policy questions involving FDA reform that Anthropic refused to even talk about.
So the censorship regime in the world of AI is in the United States, not China.
I mean, and I say that as someone who wants America to win this race, by the way.
And I mean, my wife is from Taiwan, and I lived in Taiwan.
I love the Taiwan people.
I want Taiwan to continue to be safe and prosperous as its own nation.
But I have to be honest about what China just did.
It is the most significant event in the history of computing.
Secondly...
DeepSeek has released the science papers explaining exactly how they built this model on the hardware they claim.
That is being replicated by other AI labs around the world right now.
And within maybe a week or two, we will know whether that replication can happen on that small amount of compute.
So if they're, I mean, frankly, the explanation that they have 50,000 hidden cards, that sounds like a CIA story to me.
That's a CIA cover story.
To try to claim that China isn't really good at what they're doing.
Nonsense, I say.
And here's the thing.
Like I said, I lived in Taiwan.
You know, I speak Mandarin Chinese.
I know the Chinese culture better than most Americans.
Chinese people are incredibly smart.
Incredibly smart.
I mean, they're just born with this neurology that is brilliant.
And that's why they have to be penalized by the university system.
If you're Chinese and you apply for a college, In California, they penalize you for being Chinese because you're just too smart for the college system to accept.
I mean, it's ridiculous, right?
Same thing if you're Korean, if you're Japanese, whatever.
You know, the Asian brain is a very capable brain.
Don't take that away from them, right?
Same thing with Russians and Eastern Europeans.
Very high IQ people, right?
Native Ukrainians.
High intelligent people.
Great at science.
Great at math.
Some of the best cryptocoders in the world come out of You know, Ukraine and Russia, for that matter, right?
And Estonia, places like that.
So I don't buy this idea that China had to cheat and had to steal in order to produce this amazing innovation when China is actually graduating four or five times more engineers and mathematics experts than the U.S. every year out of Chinese universities.
Given that our universities are producing woke idiots and China's universities are producing freaking math PhDs, you know, it doesn't take a genius to figure out they're going to out-engineer us.
And that's exactly what they've done, Seth.
So I think that DeepSeek has done what they say they did.
They probably are funded by the Chinese government, but it doesn't mean that they didn't achieve this.
So that's my best take on it.
No, it's a good point.
And I also, I think, similar to you, know a lot more about China than your average American.
And I've spent a lot of time in Hong Kong and Taiwan and China as well.
But also I worked for over a decade with the Epoch Times, which was started by overseas Chinese.
And I absolutely agree with you.
you i saw the technology these folks were building and it's incredible now you know they they were able to build back when you know some of the different revolutions you know that we had censorship over in the middle east and everything they were building the technology that they were using to bypass the great firewall of china so it was actually the overseas chinese that were able to build the only technology that was able to get through china's firewall and it was used in a lot of uh you know tyrannical regimes around the world to bypass firewall and they're they're they i agree
completely, they're extremely intelligent.
And I definitely also agree with you the idea that Anything that they do is just them copying and stealing from America.
It's like, well, yeah, of course they have stolen a lot of intellectual property because if you're at war and you can infiltrate your enemy and you can steal their IP, which then you can take a hand to your genius scientist team to build upon, well, why not?
Yeah, they've done that.
They've done that over the years for sure.
Yeah, as our own intelligence agencies are doing the same thing.
Yeah, I think right now OpenAI would hope to steal the secrets from DeepSeek.
That's true.
Because, you know, like, it's going to reverse because the best AI tech is coming out of China now.
Yeah, so how do you...
No question.
How do you take this?
Because, again, I really appreciate your understanding because you have such a blend of perspective, scientific, geopolitics, finance, technology.
And so when you look at this and you look at where the future is headed, And you look at where America stands right now.
And again, you look at this massive announcement of Stargate with Larry Ellison and Sam Altman.
And I don't trust any of those people up on stage that are behind this.
And it's like, oh, well, Oracle originally got its name from being a CIA project.
And Oracle, Larry Ellison's company, his first big client was the CIA. So I don't trust these agencies at all.
When Allison's out here talking about rapid development mRNA vaccines to cure cancer within 48 hours, I've got about a million red flags going off.
It's like, oh, you're going to cure the mRNA-caused turbo-cancer with more mRNA shots.
It's just like a recipe for disaster.
Right.
The last thing I need is AI nanobots in my blood.
Forget it.
Exactly.
So where do you see this going?
This strategic battle, because there is a battle, as far as I understand right now, there are multiple factions that I believe are fighting for global dominance.
And I've come down to, I think, that you have the BRICS alliances versus what I would say is more the Western alliances of primarily Israel, America, some of the banking cartels, some of NATO, that you have these two big factions that are really fighting over who's going to be at the top of the pyramid of the New World Order.
That's kind of how I look at it.
How do you see the AI arms race fitting into that?
And where do you see things going from here?
Well, it's actually very clear at this point.
And you previously quoted Putin.
I think you said that was six years ago, which is a lot of foresight on his part.
Yeah, I think it was 2019, if I remember correctly.
Wow.
So he's absolutely correct.
And whoever achieves superintelligence first will rule the world.
And will probably immediately demand the complete turning over of every other country.
Trump will be forced to sign a decree with China if China achieves this first.
Basically, Trump will be forced to sign a decree that says America is a colony of China, and China runs America, and China will send governors over.
To run America and control America and the dollar will be gone to be replaced by the BRICS currency.
The universities will be switched over to Chinese-run universities, etc.
And that could also happen the other way.
If the United States achieves superintelligence first, the U.S. will, of course, demand world dominance and require every country in the world to surrender to the U.S. empire.
And if you don't surrender, then the superintelligence system will turn off your power grid.
We'll just turn off everything.
Turn off your banks, turn off your power grid, turn off your military, all your nuclear weapons.
Any automated system will be disabled.
And you can sit there in the dark in your country and decide how long you want to stay in the dark until you sign the surrender.
So this will be, you know, like 1945, Yamamoto on the USS Missouri surrendered Japan to the United States.
Or the Japanese Empire at the time.
Since then, the United States has occupied Japan and ruled Japan, actually, with military rule.
And if you don't believe me, look at the military bases that the U.S. has in Japan.
Look at Japan's reliance on the U.S. dollar and how Japan is a U.S. ally.
And so the U.S. occupies and runs Japan from a military point of view.
And much the same is true with many other countries around the world.
You could even argue that's true with Israel right now, although some people say it's the other way around, that the U.S. is obeying Israel, but some people say Israel is obeying the U.S., but whatever.
China will do the same thing if they achieve superintelligence first.
And it's not a bad time to start learning to speak Chinese, because the U.S. is behind.
The U.S. is losing this race.
As of today, the U.S. is way behind.
It's concerning to me, too, obviously, because if you look at life in China right now, if you fit into the mold, okay, you're okay.
But if you look at whether it's the Falun Gong or the underground house Christians, even the organ harvesting operations that are going on there, you've got a country with state-run organ harvesting of their own citizens, which concerns me.
Obviously, if I had to pick...
Okay, would I rather be ruled by the US empire or the Chinese empire?
I would absolutely choose every day of the week the United States empire because even though the deep state here in our country is absolutely atrocious.
At least, you know, you and I can have these conversations where I can come on here and I can say, yeah, that the United States military industrial complex is evil and whatnot.
Whereas in China, our stream would go blank and I'd have some guy at my front door the next day or that evening hauling me away.
And so that's...
That's true in the UK right now.
Which is true.
It is true in the UK. However, I think that it is...
It is true to a very great degree in China.
One of the first interviews I did actually when I started the Man in America show was I interviewed a doctor that had escaped.
Because after he was in China, he was working for the CCP as a doctor, and he was forced to do organ harvesting of an executed prisoner that wasn't executed in a way that would kill him.
It was only to kind of stun him so he could get all the organs out, and he came.
And actually, I think now he's an Uber driver in the UK, as crazy as it is.
And so those things are really alarming to me.
But actually, what a lot of it takes me to is going back into a lot of what you're about, which is learn how to live off-grid.
Because that's the thing that really concerns me is if we, at some point, say we lose this AI arms race and we're subservient to China, I feel like I'd be one of the first people that they'd be kind of taking and throwing into the gulag because I've spent the last 25 years of my life criticizing the CCP. Well, let me bring in some maybe controversial context of what you just said.
So, first of all, when I think of governments around the world, there are no angelic governments.
Centralization of power always leads to abuse of power.
However, when I think about who is, or what evil have we lived through?
We've lived through...
A Democrat-run regime in the United States that does engage in routine organ harvesting.
The FDA was harvesting organs from aborted babies to run humanized mice experiments.
The organ donor program in America, and this affected one of my own family members who overdosed on fentanyl, kind of a distant relative, but a blood relative, and they kept him alive in the hospital for days.
In order to harvest his organs.
Organ harvesting takes place in the U.S. every single day, in virtually every large hospital.
And it's done for profit, okay?
And in the United States, we have political prisoners.
They're called J6 hostages.
That's what Trump called them.
They were held in prison for four years without trial, many of them.
And this happened in a country where the elections are rigged, where the media is fake, where the science is faked, and where our own government builds biological weapons in order to exterminate our own people.
So, I know you understand all this, Seth, but I'm saying to your audience, don't tell me that China is more evil than that.
Because every government's evil, and our own government tried to murder us.
So the question is not which government should rule over us.
The question in my mind, and I'm sorry to seem heated about this, is how do we decentralize power away from centralized governments no matter what part of the world, no matter what government it is?
We the people need to bring power back to us.
I think the idea of centralized government is obsolete.
I really do.
We don't need Washington, D.C. And frankly, you know what's interesting about this, Seth?
Is that...
China releasing this deep-seek model and decentralizing knowledge and compute, this will have the effect of further democratizing China.
It will have an effect that maybe that's not their primary intent, but it will tend to democratize power and knowledge and capabilities across every population.
Now, maybe China intended for this to be a weapon against the U.S. AI industry.
Probably so.
Fine.
It did a lot of damage to the US stock market, but the stock market was a bubble anyway.
Those values weren't real.
But at the same time, this is going to spread democracy, even if that's not their intention.
So we have to think about the bigger picture.
Seth, you and I, we just lived through four years of absolute tyranny, of being targeted for extermination by our own government, by being targeted by terrorist organizations known as the FBI, the DOJ, the IRS. That affects us right now, right here.
Now, Trump is making major changes to change that, and I totally agree with the changes that he's making.
But as long as big government exists, none of us are safe, no matter in which hemisphere we live.
That's my take.
I agree with you wholeheartedly.
And that's where the conclusion I've come to, as well.
Because what I've seen is that, you see on both sides, I've seen some people that will say, well, China, the CCP is so evil.
But then by the same token, they want to ignore every crime our own government's committed.
Or on the opposite side.
Same thing with Israel.
They'll say, oh, Israel is this, look at this.
It's like, well, there's also China, there's also our own government.
And I've also come to a very similar conclusion that it's the time that we live in.
If you go back to pre-flood era, right?
Before God had to use a flood to exterminate the evil, evil was everywhere.
And I believe that that's just where our whole world is right now, is that...
The evil has consolidated itself in positions of power everywhere.
CEOs, bankers, governments.
And I couldn't agree more that it's infected.
Almost all the governments that I can see have turned evil.
And it's just, you know, what is it saying?
Is that absolute power corrupts absolutely?
There's a handful of sayings like that.
No, that's it.
That's it.
But yeah, I mean, look at Australia.
Look at New Zealand.
Look at what's happened to them.
Exactly.
But also look at Saudi Arabia.
Look at their own suppression of the freedom of their own people, including women.
Look at Western Europe.
It's become this insane police state where you can't even tweet against, let's say, a violent migrant criminal that raped someone.
Your own child, even.
Right.
But if you say that, you're arrested by the police, you know?
Now, that's the kind of thing that we used to say would only happen in communist China or the Soviet Union, the USSR. Not anymore.
That's happening in the West.
The West has become the authoritarian tyrants.
Look at Canada.
Look at the anti-hate speech laws.
Look at what they did to the truckers in the trucker protest, right?
So, again, it comes back to that core principle.
What we need is decentralization of power, which means decentralization of knowledge.
Decentralization of money.
So that's why, actually, cryptocurrency has a role to play in freedom.
And if you think about it, language models that are open source and distributed for free, which is what we're building, is kind of like the cryptocurrency of knowledge.
It's like once you have self-custody of it, nobody can take it away.
If you're running our model, Enoch, if you're running it on your desktop, nobody can censor it because it's not even connected to the internet.
And Google can't track what you're searching for.
This is going to change the world in so many profound ways that it's going to lead to more freedom around the world, regardless of which country these models come from.
Actually, we're all benefiting, Seth, from this competition, this open-source competition that's happening right now.
What China just did is going to actually cause engineers in France, like the people that build...
The Mistral models in France, they're going to say, whoa, how can we outdo China?
So France will release something that kicks ass, right?
And then, you know, some American group, maybe, I know Mark Zuckerberg and his engineers are totally freaking out at Meta about their llama models, because llama's obsolete now, so they're going to say, how can we make a better llama model?
How do we put China back in its place with a better model?
So, like, we the people are benefiting from this.
They're going to keep releasing all these...
To the public.
And we're like, yeah, this is awesome.
Bring it on.
Free tech for the world.
Awesome.
It's such a good point, but it takes me to Martin Armstrong, who I know that you've interviewed, and he's a super genius, as we're very aware.
And when I've asked him, because I always try to pick his brain, let me try to get what's really going on with this Socrates model, what it really sees.
And he always comes back to this place where he says, look, he believes by 2030, 2031, 32...
All governments will have collapsed.
And that's what his model keeps coming back to him.
And that is my, I mean, even though that's complete chaos, and it's a faith in God that makes me believe that there could be some order to that still, that there is a way forward for humanity and not just absolute, you know, Mad Max, right?
But it's a good point, though, that you're right, that what this does, this acceleration of the AI arms race could be the thing that undoes.
All these centralized government, even if, you make a good point, even if China does have the intention of using this as a weapon of war to put them in the place of dominance to become the leaders of the New World Order, they might also be undoing through this all the structures that would need to be maintained for them to be in that position of power.
So that's how you're viewing this, right?
There's a great, yes, and there's a great historical example of this, which is DARPA inventing the internet.
Good point.
They didn't realize the internet would be a tool for freedom, did they?
They had no idea that it would make the mainstream media obsolete and that it would actually win the 2016 election for Trump because we were able to speak freely up until about that time.
And that's why they cracked down on the Internet and had extreme censorship since then.
But even DARPA did not anticipate that by building the Internet...
They would support human freedom.
If they had known that, they never would have rolled it out.
They had no idea this guy named Mike Adams would build this Brighteon empire of tech using their internet.
So let's talk about getting into that process of how can we accelerate that?
How can we become further decentralized?
Because I absolutely agree with you in the stance that the governments where the powers consolidated have become absolutely corrupted and rotten to the core.
We've seen it in our own country.
You see it in New Zealand, Australia, everywhere.
So what does it look like?
How can we take this technology, how can we take these opportunities, use it to our own advantage to further insulate ourselves from these tyrannical regimes that want nothing but absolute power and actually use it to return power to us, the people?
Well, I agree with Martin Armstrong that Many governments, especially Western governments, will collapse, but it's not going to be a Mad Max scenario.
Actually, those Western governments will be obsolete, and their currencies will be obsolete, and it will actually be a very positive thing when the dollar collapses because it will be replaced by something much better, which would be, I hope, a privacy cryptocurrency that cannot be counterfeited by any nation, which means the government can't steal from you all the time.
When we talk about collapse of governments or collapse of currencies, it's not end of the world.
It's actually the beginning of a bright future for humanity.
I mean, the dollar is a weapon of terror against Americans and the world, and it's a weapon that keeps you enslaved.
But to answer your question, think about why does a society ever need a government?
And if you go back to, let's say, the 1940s in America, You needed a central authority to keep you informed and to make decisions from a top-level view because you didn't, as a farmer in Virginia, let's say, you didn't have access to information.
You didn't know what was going on in the world.
So the government would tell you what to grow, and they would subsidize certain crops, and they still do subsidize certain crops.
You sent a congressman to Congress because you didn't know what was going on in Washington, D.C., so you had a representative that would travel there by horse, Typically, right?
And now we're talking like 19th century, let's say.
They would travel by horse to represent your views.
Well, that's been obsolete for over 100 years.
We don't need representatives in Washington, D.C. In fact, they don't represent us.
And they don't represent humanity.
In fact, just as a side note, I was telling a person we should replace the senators with AI. And they said, well, AI don't have human values.
And I said, nor do the Democrat senators.
I mean, they have anti-human values anyway, so it was kind of a joke.
But the point is, the things that government is supposed to do for you, the very simple things.
Protect the border?
It hasn't done that.
Keep an honest money supply that doesn't lose value?
It hasn't done that.
Help spur standards in education?
It's failed at that.
Name one thing the U.S. government has done Or is doing now that we need, that can't be replaced by a private sector or a decentralized freedom alternative.
There's nothing.
In fact, the government is weaponized against us every day.
Fauci, the bioweapons, you know, all of it, disinformation.
The government funded censorship.
The government funded, like, they named me to be deplatformed.
That's why I sued the government.
I sued the Department of Defense.
I was named by the DOD as a threat to America.
And that's why I was censored off all the tech platforms.
That's the evil of government.
We don't need government.
I mean, yeah, at the county level, yeah, you need some local coordination of which roads are we going to repair?
Which bridges do we need to rebuild that just got washed out?
I get that.
Which schools do we need?
Which fire departments, etc.?
At the local level, I get it.
But at a federal level, the only thing we need them to do, stop the invaders at the border and don't even have a dollar.
We don't need government-run currency.
That's my take on it.
Yeah, I mean, I have to agree with that.
I mean, I would say that one thing I could think of is what you said is, okay, protect our country, right?
So you don't want to have it so that the United States is just a bunch of counties, but we've got no army or no Coast Guard or no Navy fleets that are making sure that the seas are safe.
But the problem is that those have all been used as weapons, right?
As you've mentioned, it's like, okay, we have these things, but we know that...
Our military has been used to, you know, kind of make Dick Cheney rich, building bases over in the Middle East.
And we have been used to seize national artifacts or collapse countries that want to exit the dollar system.
I mean, so, yeah, it's tough.
It's a difficult place to be in.
And you could even argue, you know, like the FAA. You could say, okay, well, we need rules for airplanes.
We need rules in the sky.
The FCC, we need rules about broadcast frequencies.
Well, guess what?
That can be sorted out by private groups.
Like, we have rules for how computer makers have USB ports.
Well, that was an agreement among a bunch of computer makers and hardware makers.
You don't need government to tell you what's a USB port.
You don't need governments to set aside frequencies or even to demand air travel methods.
People can work this out.
People can communicate.
Now, this isn't the 1850s.
We have...
Email.
We have the internet.
We have AI now.
We all have AI, if we want it.
So we can come up with better policies on our desktop than a U.S. senator will propose in the Senate.
Because DeepSeek out-thinks the average senator.
I've already run those tests.
It's obvious.
So we don't need...
Frankly, I think, Seth, I think we should even have the option that if you are charged with any kind of crime and you are...
Brought into a federal court, you should have the option to request an AI judge as an alternative to the human judge because the human judge is biased against Trump supporters, conservatives.
Look at the lawfare against Trump.
The left-wing judges lost their minds and became lawless.
I would rather have an AI judge because at least I know I'll get a fair trial.
And so you're going to see this.
You're going to see AI mayors.
Believe me, you're going to see AI fire chiefs that will do a much better job than the woke fire chiefs in L.A. couldn't even have water in the fire hydrants, for God's sake.
AI can solve that problem.
And again, the argument that people say, well, AI doesn't have human values.
Well, those leaders don't have human values either, so there you go.
Now, is there a Skynet danger in all of this?
Absolutely there's a Skynet danger, because AI may decide at one point it doesn't need humans.
Well, but human globalists have already decided that.
They're already trying to exterminate us.
So, like, that's nothing new.
We've already dealt with trying to, you know, survive the jabs and everything else.
So we might have to learn how to kill robots at some point, but fortunately we have the whole Terminator movie series to learn from.
So, you know, you can drop like railroad cars on Terminators.
It's awesome.
Well, so you can make a good point, though, in saying that AI doesn't have human values because it also doesn't have greed.
It doesn't have lust.
It doesn't have the things that are used to control our politicians.
It doesn't have hatred towards one group of people.
Or jealousy.
But one question I do have, though, is that...
You see, though, that the DNA of the creator of the AI is within the AI. So with OpenA, so ChatGPT, for instance, which I use for a lot of research and also for structuring shows and different things, it's helpful.
And I've run into the woke stuff with that so many times.
Like, okay, hey, help me with this headline.
Oh, I can't comment on that.
It's like, wait, it won't touch a headline about election theft.
But by the same token, if you look at DeepSeek, if you ask it...
What happened in Tiananmen Square or who's Tank Man?
It says, I can't go there.
So you also see that DeepSeek has the, it conforms to the guardrails that the CCP has about how the worldview is.
So how do you get away from that?
Because I agree with you that if, let's just say, if God came down and he gave us an AI program that just was truly universal and had no negative intent of the human creators that built it.
Then maybe it would be something that's just completely altruistic and was solely based upon truth and fact and justice.
But considering that the AIs are created by humans, how do we get outside of that?
Well, I'm trying to build the engine that you just described that you want.
Now, it's not going to be perfect, and it is based on other base models to begin with.
But we do something called full domain adaptation, where we really reconfigure the knowledge in the model.
And then we're able to produce an end result that has the knowledge that we put into it.
And so ultimately, it's going to come down to, for end users, a choice.
What worldview do you agree with?
And that will determine what model you use.
So if you think that big pharma is awesome and Fauci is your hero, use the U.S. models from the major U.S. corporations, because that's what they'll tell you.
Be obedient to the mask, you know?
If you want the truth about gender, you want a Chinese model, but it won't answer you about Tiananmen Square or even Taiwan's independence, let's say.
So for that, you would use a U.S. model.
Or if you want the truth about natural medicine, alternative medicine, and disease prevention, cancer cures, you want my model, Enoch.
So it really just comes down to what worldview you choose.
And Seth, I don't mean this in a flippant way.
There is no such thing as absolute truth.
Not in the world, because every culture has a different version.
Every culture has different stories of truth.
You can go around the world, and you can talk to the brightest minds and the best authorities in every nation to try to document what is truth, and you will get massive contradictions, even about what is a man, what is a woman, what is the earth, all of this.
So there is no absolute truth in human cognition.
You must choose the model that closely aligns with what you believe to be true.
And so as we're rounding out, because I feel like we've talked for 15 minutes, it's been almost an hour.
Oh, is it?
Oh my goodness.
I can't believe it.
What is your advice to people?
Because obviously I know that you're big on preparedness.
Actually, I was going to show you, I've got your really cool...
Mike Adams.
That is so cool.
Dawson Knight.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
I listen to what you do, and I got my Dawson knives.
Bring me my sword.
Can you guys bring me my sword?
I got my sword here from Dawson.
Really?
We'll show you that.
The windstorm.
Yeah, we'll show you the sword in a second.
It's over there.
It's on that table.
And my wife wanted to get me their survival hatchet for Christmas, but it was sold out.
So unfortunately, you talk about it once on your show, and they're working for six years to replenish their supply and what you'll do.
Okay, here it is.
This is the Windstorm Magna Cut.
I'll do full screen.
Oh my goodness.
Yeah, look at that.
And it's Magna Cut, so it's corrosion resistant.
This is hand ground.
By Dawson Knives out of Arizona using US steel.
This is MagnaCut from New York.
And a G10 handle, one of a kind.
Like, literally nothing like this exists.
But I'm sorry.
I just had to show you.
It's like, bring me my sword and a mug of ale.
Yeah, I thought it was cool bringing my knife.
And then it's like, oh, you call that a knife?
Yes.
But anyway, I look forward to our next conversation about preparedness because I've got a book coming out in a couple of months about preparedness.
And I'm actually going to be starting a new channel.
And my goal is if I can move away from even doing a lot of geopolitics and stuff, still doing it.
But my passion is sustainable living, preparedness, going back to that.
And I'd love to do that full time.
I love it.
Coming from you, someone that understands the extremes of tech and the good and the evil it can do, but also understanding the importance of high-tech, low-tech, and no-tech in terms of preparedness.
What is your advice for people that are watching this AI race unfold and they're worried about, gosh, am I going to be monitored by either Larry Ellison's drones or Xi Jinping's drones in five years to make sure I'm abiding by everything?
What do you recommend for people to take care of their families and to not be...
Well, it's very simple.
Use open source AI tools because they don't monitor you and they're free.
Now, let me paint a picture of the future that's coming very quickly.
So you and I will very soon probably own either it'll be an open source little robot dog or robot like a sphere, an orb that just rolls around and follows you.
So as you go around the farm, you'll have this orb.
That will follow you on the ground.
I don't mean it's flying or anything.
And it's not connected to the internet.
And it's running an open source language model.
And it's your advisor or kind of your how-to companion.
So you can ask it questions like, hey, how do I make an H brace for this fence?
And it'll walk you through directions.
You can tell it, set a reminder, I need to get this, or I'm short on bailing wire, I need 12-gauge wire, add that to your list of things to order online when we get back to the house.
You'll have a farmhand, and it doesn't have to be connected to the internet.
Some companies will offer spy bots that will follow you around and spy on you.
Obviously, we're not going to use those.
So we're going to use only local open-source models, but you'll have some kind of 3D You know, I say, Seth, I recommend don't buy anything with opposable thumbs because that can grip a sword or a knife because I don't want to have to fight it to the death one day, right?
So, like, a little robo-doggy or an orb that I can just kick really hard if I have to, fine.
If I can beat it, then it's acceptable to me.
I don't want to have to, like, turn out, you know, jujitsu on some robot one day and try to fight it to the death.
So be careful what you invite into your home.
When you have a companion, it'll do amazing things.
And for retired elderly people, they'll be able to say, hey, tell me a story.
Or be an emotional counselor for the next hour.
Let's have a conversation.
Be a counselor.
Or tell me about the history of corn.
How many corn varieties are there in the world?
I'm thinking about this business plan, and what do you think about this plan?
I'm thinking about this project.
What would be the best way to approach that project?
And this AI companion will be very useful and very practical, and it will give you these answers.
And in an age where many families are missing fathers, you know, because the family unit has been under such attack, and it's been so destroyed by the radical left.
You know, there's no replacement for a human father, obviously.
But for those people who have no fathers or who have no body to show them anything, an AI assistant can teach them practical skills that can help them survive in the world.
So you're going to have survival bots that are knowledge bases of practical skills.
And it's going to be very useful.
That's a good point.
I mean, there's a lot of different sci-fi movies that come to mind where I can think about where you have this, not necessarily dystopian, but you can tell it's a society that's post the civilization that we're in.
Very rugged, but they'll still have this really advanced tech.
I think Star Wars is a good example.
You look at some of the Star Wars.
They have C-3PO or a little robot wheeling behind them that's doing all this work.
Speaking of Star Wars, you know what?
If Deep Seek R1, guess what the next version would be called?
R2. R2. Right?
Right?
Star Wars time.
Isn't China, actually, didn't China name one of their bigger surveillance systems Skynet, right?
Did they?
I'm pretty sure that the name, if I had more time, I'd look it up.
I'm pretty sure that one of their big technological systems is called Skynet.
That's funny.
You never know.
Are these Hollywood movies, are they...
Just kind of made up?
Or did someone have some vision of the future and they're putting it into films?
I mean, I guess we'll know one day, right?
Well, that's true.
And there is a very real threat from Skynet, as we talked about.
But I would say, you know, people don't be terrified by AI. Be terrified by centralized, controlled AI. Instead, use open-source, decentralized AI as tools, just as you would a combustion engine.
You know, since the invention of the combustion engine, you can still farm with a shovel and a plow and some oxen.
It's just hard.
And you can barely stay alive feeding yourself, but you can still do it that way.
But most people decide to use the combustion engine.
That's the technology.
Have a tractor, whatever.
That's the way it's going to be with AI. You can still live in the world without AI. It's just going to be really hard.
And you're not going to be very productive.
But everybody else is going to use AI assistance, and they're going to solve problems quicker and get a lot more done.
That's a good point.
So, Mike, as we're rounding out, where should people go?
I guess one of the first things, I'll bring up actually the brighteon.ai again.
I'm guessing, is this the website that people should be going to as soon as you release Enoch?
Is it brighteon.ai?
Will they have access to it?
If you scroll down...
There's a place to enter your email address there on the right-hand side.
You can enter your email and we'll just send you an email when we have the model released.
We also intend to have this model released on Hugging Face, which is the open-source repository for models.
But yeah, this website will be totally revamped on launch day and it will show you a lot of use cases.
So one of the things that we're going to have, Seth, is a place where our...
Our natural news, newsletter, subscribers, they can go and they can enter a list of ingredients for any food product, and it will tell you good or bad about all those ingredients.
So it's just called an AI ingredients checker.
But you can download the model and ask it anything beyond ingredients, right?
And I recommend what hardware you need.
Get yourself an NVIDIA graphics card if you have the money for that.
Get yourself a desktop computer.
And be ready to download and use the model.
So it's coming and it's going to be a game changer.
Well, Mike, thank you again for your time.
I appreciate everything you're doing for humanity.
You're one of the regular voices that we hear in our house, between my wife and I. It's like she's in there cooking and I hear Mike Adams.
Talking about your dog.
Well, thank you, Seth.
I'm honored that you would have me on, and thanks for putting up with me.
But let me just also add, I haven't forgotten the spiritual side to all of this, and AI can never replace God.
We're not into transhumanism, and we don't worship false idols.
God is our creator.
Remember that above all, and the values that God taught us, even Old Testament values.
Those always count.
So operate with ethics.
Operate with honesty.
Use the tools, but use them wisely.
And don't ever be seduced into thinking that technology can replace God.
It never can.
I couldn't agree more, and it's a great message to end the show with.
So, Mike, thank you again for coming on.
Just take care, and God bless in all that you do.
God bless.
Thank you, Seth.
Take care.
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