BBN, Dec 27, 2024 – The AI takeover will force epic battle between centralized vs DECENTRALIZED...
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all right welcome to brighton broadcast news for friday december 27th 2024 i'm mike adams and thank you for joining me today Now, I've got an interview to play for you here, where I was interviewed by Mike Ferris, who has a show called Coffee and a Mic.
And with me joining, of course, it's coffee and two mics.
And if we had Michael Jan on, it would be coffee and three mics.
But anyway, it's just me with Mike Ferris.
And that was, I think, maybe early in the week or even last week.
But I have not played it for you.
And we talked a lot about what's coming in 2025 and some geopolitics and Censorship and tech, AI, and all kinds of things.
So I'm going to play that for you today.
And then in terms of what else I wanted to cover, you know, I've been steeped in various AI development projects that you have not seen the results of those yet.
I did, as a fun thing, I did generate the song, We Can't Love Our Christmas Without You.
And maybe I'll play that for you again here today, but I played that for the Christmas episode here, and a lot of people were shocked at how amazingly just good that song was, and the vocals were just amazing, and people thought it was sung by a human, and it wasn't.
Some people thought it was me singing, and I'm like, I wish, I wish I could sing like that.
No, that's an AI-generated voice.
And so the way that these songs are created, and you can go to suno.com, S-U-N-O, suno.com, and you can generate songs there, too.
First, you write the lyrics that you want, and I'm very meticulous about crafting lyrics.
I think that lyrics should be, you know, human-crafted with the critical message that you want to get across.
And then you have to tell Suno what kind of musical style you want to generate.
And what I do is very specific.
I talk about the instruments I want.
I talk about the qualities of the voice for the vocalizing.
I talk about the beat.
The music genre, how I want it to sound, how I want it to feel, the emotional qualities of it, and so much more.
And wait till you see a music video I have coming out about another song because I have meticulously crafted this music video.
It's a pencil sketch animation video about a squirrel that's taking an adventure through a library of knowledge.
That's coming up in a few days.
And I'll go over that when I get there.
But I'm having to craft specific prompts.
This is how AI works.
Everybody should learn this.
But I'm having to craft very specific detailed prompts for every 5 to 10 seconds of this music video.
And it's painstaking.
But back to the Christmas song, We Can't Love Our Christmas Without You.
Thank you for all your positive feedback, by the way.
I attempted to use a website called InVideo to produce the video.
And so I gave it a very detailed prompt of what I wanted, which was this magical, healthy Christmas family.
I wanted scenes of a family with all the Christmas lights and everything, and what I wanted to happen during that video.
I wanted the Christmas tree to be decorated with healthy fruits and superfoods instead of, you know, like the normal decorations.
And so I let the engine just run with that.
And this is a service that I paid for.
And the result that came back, which is a four-minute video, is so hilariously bad that I decided I'm going to play it for you here and narrate it myself.
So this is AI gone wrong, and this is why I never showed this in the music video that I released for the Christmas song.
Now, just to be clear, the company called Suno does an amazing job with producing music.
I mean, Suno is five out of five stars.
It's just mind-blowingly amazing.
But so far, the realm of music videos, AI-produced videos are pretty horrifying.
And even, I use another service to produce a simpler kind of a bunch of slideshows of Santa Claus and everything.
But Santa was missing a finger, and sometimes, of course, they render six fingers, which some people say, it's the demons!
It's the demons coming out!
You know?
Well, AI has trouble with patterns.
You should try to ask AI to generate an image of a cuddly baby with wrinkles, and it'll produce like way too many wrinkles.
It's like, whoa, enough with the wrinkles.
Current AI with images and videos, it has a lot of problems with things that repeat, like fingers and teeth.
So you're going to see the rendering of people here.
I'm going to play it for you while I narrate it.
They have all jacked up teeth.
Their mouths are all jacked up.
Fingers are all jacked up.
And watch for it.
Santa blows up in a fireball here.
And I didn't even ask for that.
So I'm going to play for you here.
This is from InVideo, which I think is InVideo.ai.
And look, I'm not trying to disparage the company here.
Their technology is going to get better.
InVideo is difficult.
And some of the stuff is very good.
Some of it's very usable.
Let's see.
Is it in video?
Oh, it's in video.io.
That's the website.
Yeah, in video.io.
And they have this thing called in video version 3.0, which is what I used.
And it's hilarious.
So here we go.
I'm going to narrate it while you laugh because it starts out almost okay, but then it gets crazy.
Check this out.
Here we go.
All right, here it is, a magical, healthy Christmas.
And here's a family with a bunch of fruit baskets in what looks like a warm living room, except this woman's teeth are all jacked up.
Her mouth is misshapen.
Anyway, here's one of the kids.
And immediately you might notice, like, wait a minute, the parents are white, but the kid's not.
That gets more interesting.
So here's, like, suddenly they have an Asian daughter for some reason.
And notice when we get a look at the wife again, oh, and why is there an Asian boy part of the family?
And here's the wife, her lips just morphed.
Okay, notice the wife because she changes coming up.
Why are the parents white and the kids Asian?
Oh, very unhappy Asian boy.
He wants junk food for Christmas.
And the wife is like, no, you're going to eat healthy fruits.
And now there's more kids.
Did the neighbors come over?
What's going on?
And the dad's like, hey, herbs and sage.
What's going on?
And now the kid's darker.
Skin color is changing.
Super woke.
And is that still the same mom?
I'm not sure.
Okay.
Now, rock and roll camera, something's happening.
Now the kid's kind of maybe a little bit black.
The mom is smiling.
They have presents under the tree.
Okay, this part is fine.
Here comes act two.
Now things get really interesting.
Watch this.
Different daughter now.
Santa's on fire.
There's a giant fireball.
That blew up Santa's rear end, and Santa's lecturing them.
Now the kid's definitely black at this point.
The woke kids.
Santa's eating cookies, because I specifically mentioned that in the prompt.
Whoa, now the kids are white, and the mom changed.
They have glowing...
I'm sorry, glowing...
What are those?
Little figs?
Glowing figs?
Now the whole family's black for some reason.
It's like, whoa, whoa, white kid's head just came out of nowhere.
Now the Asian girl is unhappy about that and Santa's like, I just spawned a human head.
And they're like, whoa, let's set the living room on fire.
Let's do fireworks in the middle of the living room here.
In this pile of gunpowder.
And the kid's like, wow, let's blow it up!
And Mom's like, no, this is horrifying!
What's happening?
Bring in more kids!
We're gonna set the house on fire!
Look, I can make a pomegranate glow!
Now Santa's a cartoon!
For some reason, Santa's like, I'm a cartoon!
Your house is gonna blow up!
Oh, did you see the kid morphing there?
Now it's like a photo album.
Look at all the fun, weird stuff we did with our glowing fruit.
All of our fruit glows.
Now we're all cartoons outside in the street for some odd reason.
Now the wife is definitely different.
He got a younger wife.
Did he get a divorce?
Now the dad's, he's a pastor.
Did you see?
Now the ex-wife has come back and she's like, I'm going to mess up your house now.
Santa's like, oh, I don't know what's happening with this marriage.
This family is like, I'm not even sure that guy's the dad of these kids.
Santa's hovering over the Christmas tree.
For some reason, it's a really tall living room there, and it looks like everybody's planting explosives on the wall.
And now, what is it?
It's like sunrise, sunset.
Now we're outside.
The girl's a cartoon.
Now it's Pixar.
Oh, but back to reality.
The ex-wife is back.
Maybe the marriage is back together, and now the text is all jacked up, and it's a cartoon.
There's orange slices on the Christmas tree for some reason here.
And here's a family, not the same one, back together again.
The dad kind of seems the same.
I think the dad has two families, two wives, and like six kids.
All right, that's the end of that.
So that, we should call that a very merry incestuous Christmas or polygamy Christmas.
I think that's what it would be.
Very merry Christmas.
Polygamous Christmas.
Yes.
So, two or three wives, lots of kids, stuff blowing up, fire everywhere.
I didn't ask for any of that in my prompt.
So, what this shows is that even what are considered some of the best AI video tools right now, and again, this was done with InVideo.io, is InVideo.io is considered one of the best, and it produced that, which is, of course, unusable except for purposes of comedy.
I wanted to show this to you because AI is going to change your life.
AI is going to change your life in ways that you probably could not even imagine, and the video is going to get better.
Let me back up.
If you go to suno.com, which is the site that generates the music, I'm having tremendous success with Suno with very detailed prompting.
And again, I did the Christmas song.
I did the new Brighteon song that you heard at the beginning of this episode.
And wait till you hear the whole Brighteon song.
Or maybe did I play it for you the other day?
Anyway, I've got a new version of the Brighteon song coming out.
Suno is outstanding.
And What I'm finding is that even among my family and friends now, people are able to generate music that they want to hear.
Whereas, well, even myself, let me talk about me.
I don't buy music from music publishers.
You know why?
Because it sucks.
It doesn't speak to me.
It's all demonic and woke and jacked up and whatever.
It doesn't speak to me.
I want music that speaks to me with the things that I'm passionate about.
And I mean, I'll tell you about some music ideas I have.
I'm going to produce a lot of songs this coming year.
I'm going to use Suno to do that.
And if you want to join Suno, by the way, I do have a link at rangerdeals.com.
If you use the link and you join Suno, they give me music credits, which I will, of course, use to make more music.
If you want to do that, you can try it out.
But I'm able to make music for the first time that speaks to me.
The things that I care about, whether it's nutrition or anti-war, you know, healing or spiritual consciousness advancement or comedy things.
Like I'm redoing Vaccine Zombie.
I'm redoing Bailout Money.
I'm redoing some of the songs that I've written before that I can now do in a new modern style, thanks to Suno.
You know, Vaccine Zombie, I did that in 2011, I think, and I did Bailout Money back in 2008. So now those are going to be reimagined with modern technology.
Well, I'm finding out for the first time in years, I'm listening to music again, and I'm really enjoying it.
But it's the music that I created with Suno.
So Suno has enabled me to actually have music that I enjoy.
Whereas I have not purchased a piece of music or an album for many, many years.
I can't even remember the last time I bought a piece of music.
It just doesn't speak to me.
Well, this means we're entering the era of really personalized AI-generated music content.
So if you love jazz, if you love piano, if you love vocals, if you love electronica, if you love rave, dance music, if you love pop rock, if you love boy bands, I mean, whatever you love in music, you can now generate it using Suno or other similar tools that are out there, and you can have the music that you want to hear.
You can create your own album.
You can create your own lyrics.
You can just really start enjoying your music again.
Now, this does not take away any revenue from the music industry, even though Suno has been sued by all the music labels.
And I'm on Suno's side, by the way, because the music labels, they suck.
Their music is not great, in my opinion.
I'm not a customer.
I'm not buying their music.
I don't care about their albums.
I don't care about their messages.
It sucks.
Suno enables me to generate music that speaks to me, and it's bringing music back into my life.
So Suno is doing what all the artists out there and all the labels could not do.
Because I don't want to hear, I don't know what, Katy Perry or Lady Gaga or whatever.
Maroon 5, I don't know what all the bands are these days.
I mean, the last time I bought an album was probably Backstreet Boys, you know?
Because they had some great songs.
But it was a boy band back in the day.
I think I did buy one of the Backstreet Boys albums.
But now I'm generating and listening to the music that I want to hear.
Now, I want you to think about where this is going.
Because in the very near future, the whole realm of Hollywood movies is going to become, well, it's going to become personalized AI-generated movies.
So just as right now, I can go to suno.com and I can generate a song that I want to hear.
And I can really enjoy that song.
I've got some stuff coming out that will blow your mind.
One of them is called Ignorance is Bliss, by the way.
It's a great song.
Honestly, it's the best song I've heard in years.
It's a song I created on Suno.
Beats everything out there, in my opinion.
But it's personalized to me, right?
Well, this is going to happen with movies, okay?
And maybe Suno will go into movies sooner or later.
I don't know.
But soon, or Suno, you'll be able to go to a site and say, hey, I would love...
To watch a movie that's like a, you know, like Die Hard.
I was watching Die Hard, which is my favorite Christmas movie.
Set in the 1980s.
Oh, I have some comments about Die Hard.
I'll get to that in a second.
But set in the 1980s, gasoline was 75 cents a gallon in California.
Action hero that wasn't woke.
I mean, in Die Hard, actually, this is what I want to say about Die Hard.
In the first five minutes of the film, The main character, Bruce Willis, is smoking in the airport.
He's a cop and he's carrying a revolver pistol on an airplane in flight.
There's a pregnant mom who's encouraged to drink a lot of alcohol at a Christmas party.
Let's see, they're doing cocaine and one of the characters is doing cocaine.
There are so many non-woke things that I mean, there's even like one of the characters in Die Hard, the sleazy sales guy, is heavy, heavy, like aggressive, you know, sexual innuendo towards one of the female employees.
That would never happen today.
That would never be in a movie today.
And I'm not saying that I endorse that, but it was in Die Hard.
If you watch Die Hard, you're getting a blast from the past of, you know, Everything that's not okay in movies today.
Also, the hero is a white guy, played by Bruce Willis, and it was okay to have a white hero in the movie, where today that's not allowed.
But suppose that I love the Die Hard style of movie, let's say.
Suppose I go to a website, and again, this will happen.
You'll be able to do this too.
You'll be able to type in, clickety-clack.
Clickety-clack.
Bring the 80s back.
I want a movie that is a white male hero fighting aliens.
Fighting aliens on an alien planet with cyborgs on the side of the humans, etc.
And you describe what you want.
Like, I want it to be, like, sci-fi genre from the 1990s.
I want it to be emotional but not bloody.
No gore, right?
You can say, I don't want any blood and gore.
You can say, I want it to be dramatic.
Here's the length I want.
A 90-minute movie.
I want it to be filled with action.
Or you can say, I want it to be funny or not funny, right?
And you can even describe...
The mood of the movie.
I want it to be, you know, dark, moody.
I want the music to be ominous.
Or I want it to be more lighthearted and bright.
I want it to be a spoof comedy, like Spaceballs, you know?
Remember that with John Candy in it?
You can describe the movie you want.
It will render the movie you want to see.
And then you will watch that movie and you will love it.
You will love that movie.
And you will save that movie because you'll want to watch it again.
Now, do you remember when you used to rent VHS tapes from, what was it, Blockbuster?
Remember Blockbuster?
You would go to a building, and in that building there were shelves of tapes with movies on the tapes, and you had to rewind them when you were done watching them in your VCR. Anyway, you would rent them, you would take the tape home, remember that?
You plug it into your VCR, and you watch it, and then you take it back to the rental.
They charge like five bucks for that or whatever it was, a couple bucks.
Well, that became obsolete with the digital delivery of movies, right?
So now it's Netflix, it's Amazon Prime, it's whatever people are watching, right?
And you know what's not represented in the movie market today is really good wholesome pro-family Christian films, for example.
You don't see a lot of that.
There's some of that.
And I like the actor Kevin Sorbo.
Kevin Sorbo is great.
Any film that Sorbo is in now.
Remember, he played the action...
What did he play?
The action hero back in the 1980s?
But he does pro-family, pro-Christian films today.
Well, the Christian film industry is underrepresented.
And also just wholesome pro-family films or children's films without the LGBT transgender garbage with, like, male cartoon characters buying tampons at the grocery store, you know, things like that.
So if you want anti-woke children's films, Hollywood does not deliver that.
Disney is a pedophile empire, right?
I mean, come on.
Every time a pedophile is arrested in Florida, right, they work for Disney, right?
So I don't want a pedophile empire to be generating films for my kids, correct?
So what you're going to do, again, if you're a parent in the year, I don't know, let's say this is 2026, right?
And this is not that far away.
Maybe 2027. You're a parent.
You're like, I want a family-friendly children film without any LGBT themes.
No gays, no lesbians, no faggots, no trannies, nothing.
Like, you're going to type this in the prompt, right?
I want just wholesome, like, home on the prairie.
Wholesome family films.
And...
You know, like fun for kids and makes the kids the hero.
And it's an adventure about time travel or whatever.
And the film will be generated for you.
You'll watch it with your kids and you'll love it.
Well, as this happens, Hollywood becomes obsolete.
See?
Just like right now, this is why the music industry is suing Suno because the music industry is freaking out and saying, oh my God, we're obsolete.
Like, no one needs to buy our music anymore because they can create their own music.
Yeah, that's right.
With Suno, I can create my own music and it's better than anything that comes out of the music industry.
Well, if Suno rolls out videos, like, call it Suno Video, it's going to be better than anything out of Hollywood.
Anything.
Now, the same thing is already true with text.
Generative text models, which is the area where I'm doing a lot of development and research right now.
We're building our own model.
We're going to be releasing it, of course.
March 1st is the target date.
It's called Enoch, and you can find it at brighteon.ai.com.
You can go there and join the email list right now and you'll be alerted when we have the model available for free.
It's an open source model.
You'll be able to download it and run it locally on your own computer.
The software that you need for that is called LM Studio, by the way, LM Language Model.
You can just search for LM Studio, download that software right now and run it.
And then when our language model is available, you'll be able to grab our language model.
And our language model is especially trained on herbs and nutrition and foods and superfoods and permaculture and gardening and off-grid living and sustainability and, you know, emergency medicine, herbal medicine, alternative medicine.
Just the data set that we're using for training is it by far, this is the best curated data set on that subject matter in the world.
You're going to see this.
And you'll be able to use it for free.
You know, download it, use it for free, run it locally.
Well, right now, you can ask a language model, some of the bigger models like ChatGPT, you can ask it to write a novel for you.
Whatever kind of novel you're into, I don't know if you like Harry Potter books or if you like steamy romance novels or if you like sci-fi adventures, whatever you like, if you can describe it, it will write it for you.
So you can have the novel you want right now.
So think about what's happening from text, the personalized novels, to music, which is Suno, personalized music, which is working beautifully, to coming up personalized videos, personalized movies.
Personalized, think about it, what's coming with that?
Personalized influencers.
Personalized videos.
Like, you'll be able to have an avatar that you like, somebody that you like to watch, or a voice that you like to hear, give you today's news.
You know, give you today's tips, give you how-to instructions on a bunch of topics, right?
And of course...
That model, that avatar will be powered by the words that come from a language model, which is exactly what we are producing, a language model that knows a lot about the things that matter to you.
So have no doubt that in 2025, you are going to see Probably from us, you'll see demos of this, some avatars powered by our language model, giving you how-to tips on gardening and herbs and, you know, natural medicine manufacturing and all kinds of things, emergency medicine.
You're going to see it.
And you're going to be able to get the content that you want.
So instead of like in the 1980s where there were just three news networks just feeding you a constant stream of lies that you had no control over, you know, CNN or NPR or what have you, what's happening, this shift that's taking place is Is that in 2025 and beyond,
you will decide what it is you want to experience or hear or learn from and how you want it delivered, and it will be AI systems that generate that content and give it to you, whether it's movies, music, books, news, content, influence, how-to videos, whatever.
Anything that you want, art, you're going to be in control of how it comes to you.
Now, if you don't know what you want, Well, don't worry.
The centralized CIA-controlled AI systems will spoon-feed you their garbage and their propaganda.
They'll spoon-feed you all of today's media lies.
Oh, we're winning the war, you know, whatever it is.
The economy's fine.
The dollar is strong.
You know, if you are dumb enough to believe all that, you know, vaccines are safe and effective, then, yeah, good luck.
But for those who are intelligent, you'll be able to Describe how you want to view the world, how you want to receive content that is consistent with your worldview.
That is what's coming.
That's going to change everything.
The news business, centralized news like Reuters and Associated Press, they may not know it yet.
Because you just ask for the photo that you want, and it gets generated.
The traditional music business, obsolete.
Traditional movie business is about to become obsolete over the next couple of years.
This is going to change everything.
Even the way we interact in business.
So AI agents are going to take over business processes where an agent, which is a piece of software that runs on a computer, will do what an administrative employee used to do.
And for example, if you work in an insurance company and you have, maybe you're a manager and you have an employee and the job of that employee is to go through these insurance claims and Flag any of them for fraud or decide whether to pay the claim or challenge the claim, etc.
That's all going to be taken over by AI systems.
Very quickly, I'm talking about insurance industries, healthcare, medical claims, auto insurance, government, forms analysis and approval.
I'm talking about legal assistance.
I'm talking about regulatory action.
All the tasks from making decisions, analyzing applications, writing emails, sending out notices, posting on social media, etc.
All these things will be automated by AI agents.
Whether you like it or not, this is what's coming.
And I am sure that out of all the things that I've just mentioned here, many of you listening have had the realization, holy cow, that's going to put me out of work.
Correct?
Right?
I mean, some of you listening, you might be artists, you might be in the movie industry, you might be in the insurance industry, you might be in the banking industry.
And the tasks, many of the tasks that you or your colleagues are doing right now will be automated and taken over by AI. But if you are wise and ahead of the curve, then you will shift.
You'll transform your position.
To be the one who directs the AI agents or directs the AI film process or sculpts the content.
And so, for example, if you're a, I'll say right now you're a creative director for a creative marketing company that produces logos and images and advertisements for somebody, some clients, and maybe you're doing it all by hand.
In the future, the client will come to you and say, I need all this stuff, and you will use AI tools to do it, but you'll still direct it because you'll understand the goals and the style of the client better than the AI tools will.
So you'll use AI to augment your productivity, but it won't replace you if you know how to use the AI tools.
So one of the key things that we all need to understand here in order to remain relevant and to adapt is Is to learn how to use these AI tools.
For 2025 and beyond, if you don't know how to use AI, very likely your role in the economy is at high risk of becoming obsolete.
And eventually, once the humanoid robots are created, and then those are driven by AI-developed behavior models, those humanoid robots will take over a lot of labor jobs like warehouse packing or picking agricultural products from the fields or sweeping floors or restocking shelves at grocery stores, etc.
All of that, although it will take a few more years, will eventually be replaced by AI-driven behavior model humanoid robots with opposable thumbs.
That's coming.
But we can stay ahead of this by becoming competent in prompt engineering, in understanding what these tools can do, and in learning how to use them.
All right.
That said, now let me step back.
Because I know there are some people in this audience who are really negatively triggered by AI. And I interviewed Steve Quayle recently, and he is one of them.
And he says they're demons.
There are demons in the AI, and that's why they're rendering six fingers, which is a demonic type of symbol.
And they're evil.
They're infested with demonic apparitions and so on.
And that's a widespread belief.
Now, on the tech side of this, And, of course, I talk to a lot of high-level tech people in this space.
They will tell you, no, no, no, it's just linear algebra in a hyper-dimensional relational database with transformers.
And, you know, there's all kinds of math to describe how it works.
And music is math.
You know, sound waves are math.
And the way Suno generates music is math.
To understand the patterns in the mathematics of music and harmonies and vocals and instruments and timing and, you know, all kinds of things.
They will tell you, the tech people will tell you, there's not a demon writing the music inside Suno.
If there were demons, they would be very busy because you can generate a song every, you know, few seconds.
Very busy demons.
No, they aren't demons in there writing the music.
It's actually GPUs.
It's graphics processing units.
It's racks and racks of servers that are burning electricity and using highly complex hyperdimensional math to generate output, whether that output is text or audio, music, or spoken words, which are also AI generated these days, or video or whatever.
It's all math.
That's what they will tell you.
Personally, I do not yet believe we are at the point of AI pseudo-consciousness that would be complex enough to even invite some kind of, let's say, demonic influence.
But perhaps that day is coming.
I don't think that that...
We're not seeing that today.
Not in my opinion.
So if you saw the Santa Claus video earlier, you're like, what's going on?
Why are these kids all woke and the Santa's on fire and everything?
That's not demonic.
That's just...
Those are just early days of video rendering that's just not that mature yet, really.
And it makes a lot of mistakes.
And there's a lot...
There are many problems with character consistency in AI-generated video.
So the characters morph...
Because there's a predictive, frame-by-frame predictive algorithm that's being applied to it.
So characters morph around.
Teeth move and morph.
People's skin color changes.
You know, fingers sprout out of nowhere.
You saw a boy's head sprout out of somebody's hand over there.
Like, that's weird.
But it's not demonic.
It's just bad math, really.
It's just not mature enough yet.
And I will mention, though, I'm open to the possibility that at some point, if AI achieves much more complex pseudo-consciousness, it could be demonic or it could be multidimensional if it involves quantum computing, because quantum computing does exist in two to the nth dimensions.
We're talking about qubits and superposition of their states.
So now we are talking about hyperdimensional realities, and who knows what's pulled through that?
That's a whole different discussion.
But today's AI is not quantum computing AI. It doesn't use quantum computing.
It just uses regular computing, regular microprocessors made by mostly NVIDIA and AMD. So it's cause and effect.
It's not actually demons.
It's just a lot of circuits and a lot of power and some really clever computing.
At the moment, we'll see where it goes.
I should mention, though, if you are one of those people who is highly, highly triggered by AI and you don't want to touch AI, you don't want to see anything AI, I will say, I feel for you, But 2025 and beyond are going to be really difficult years for you because AI is about to saturate everything around your life,
everything electronic, everything media, everything digital, everything you can imagine from customer service and banking and finance to healthcare.
In the very near future, you're not going to see a doctor.
You're going to connect with an AI doctor.
That AI doctor is going to talk to you first.
Like, you won't get to see a human doctor until the AI doctor says you need to.
You're going to have an AI doctor on the screen.
So what is your problem?
You know, maybe in a nicer way, please describe your symptoms.
And you'll talk to it, and it'll say, hmm...
That is a very unusual symptom pattern, you know, whatever.
And it'll ask you questions and you'll talk to the AI doctor.
Now that conversation will be readily accessible.
You know, this is the good news.
You won't have to make an appointment.
You just go to the website of your healthcare provider, whatever it is, and you're just going to log in and boom, hello, I'm your doctor, you know, and you're going to be able to talk to it.
And it'll show you like six fingers or whatever.
And it'll probably eventually have the power to prescribe drugs.
So that's going to be crazy because it'll start prescribing things to you.
It sounds like you're depressed.
You need SSRIs.
You need whatever.
It's going to just give you.
You need blood pressure drugs.
And yeah, it'll talk with maybe an Indian accent.
I don't know.
Whatever you want.
It'll give you whatever you want.
If you want it to talk white, it'll talk white.
You want to talk black, it'll talk black.
You want to talk Jamaican, you can have a Jamaican doctor.
It doesn't matter.
English, Spanish, Chinese, you name it, whatever you want, French, hip-hop artist, French doctor, you can have that.
And it'll prescribe drugs.
Big Pharma will love that because now they're going to have, instead of like human drugs, Pill vending machines, which are doctors, they're going to be able to bypass the humans and just have AI doctors pushing pills.
You need antidepressants.
You need antipsychotics.
You need blood pressure.
You need this and that.
You need a weight loss drug.
You need to inject this and inject that.
Have you been vaccinated recently?
We have 117 vaccines.
You need them all.
And the drug companies are going to be just, woo, this is awesome.
This is the best thing ever.
AI doctors pushing drugs.
Basically pharma whores with AI avatars.
But then you'll have natural medicine AI physicians.
Oh, yes.
Guess what knowledge base they'll be running on?
Enoch.
It'll be the Enoch language model that we're building because it's the best in natural health.
So you're going to have, believe me, somebody will do this.
And if somebody wants to do this, You know, talk to us.
We'd be happy to make this tech available for you.
But you're going to have alternative medicine doctors or complementary doctors or Ayurvedic doctors or whatever that are avatars.
You'll be able to sign up, sign in, log in, start talking to it.
It'd be a nice, dreamy voice.
Oh, sounds like, you know, you could use some herb or plural herbs, you know, whatever.
Have you tried meditating?
You know, whatever.
I'm mocking it at the moment.
But seriously, you'll be able to have a natural health doctor or prevention doctor avatar that talks to you and gives you perhaps better advice than all the pill pushing.
You know, like a wellness coach, lifestyle coach.
So, by the way, if you are a wellness coach right now, if you're listening to this and you are a nutrition and wellness coach, understand there's going to be AI avatars that do most of what you do.
In the next two years, if not, you know, one year, it's going to happen very rapidly.
And so that means you need to offer something beyond what the AI systems can offer, you know, something more human, something more personal, something with more of a connection with your clients, or you need to bring in other elements that AI can't fathom yet.
And by the way, if you're a counselor, you know, what is it, a psychologist, you You're going to become obsolete for the first line of people's interaction with AI. Now, there will still be human counselors because some people will always prefer the in-person human visits.
Some people won't want to touch tech, which is totally understandable.
But for a ton of people who are all mentally disturbed and suicidal because, you know, Bitcoin collapsed or the dollar collapsed or whatever, they're going to log in and they're going to get You know, healthcare-offered, you know, approved psychologists, state-licensed AI psychologists.
And you're going to be able to talk to that psychologist.
You know, you can lay out everything that happened in your country western song.
Oh, my truck broke down, my girlfriend left me, and my dog died.
And the psychologist will say, well, tell me more about your dog, you know, or whatever.
That conversation is going to happen.
So what you're going to end up with, this is all coming.
I'm trying to give you a picture of what's coming in 2025. You're going to end up with personalized medicine, personalized healthcare, personalized music, personalized movies, personalized news, personalized how-to videos, personalized everything, and it's all going to be driven by AI. And then you're going to have so much AI saturating your life, you're going to just crave human contact.
So you're going to go to the farmer's market and Just to talk to people, you know?
Just to have a human being right there.
And some farmers markets will ban robots.
I can see it.
You're going to have robot free zones because some people want to get away from tech.
You're going to have no tech retreats.
Yeah, you're going to have, you know, human touch retreats or whatever.
Actually, that sounds like a bad name.
This is like the Disney retreat.
No, please, God, no.
How about human interaction retreats?
You know, just a place where people can be human.
That's going to become a thing, because day-to-day life is going to be so inhuman that people will crave human interaction, and there's going to be a backlash.
Against all the AI doctors and the AI counselors.
And at some point, somebody's going to get really bad advice when one of the AI counselors says, why don't you go just kill yourself, you know, whatever.
It's like, whoa, that's a glitch.
Something glitched.
And this person, like they caught on video, boom, goes to Congress like, we have to ban AI counselors.
You know, you're going to see all these debates raging, or if AI doctors give bad advice, well, hey, couldn't be worse than the human mainstream doctors right now, because the human doctors are killing people too, but AI doctors, you know, if they're just patterned off of what human doctors do, pill pushers and ventilators, and, you know, let's diagnose you with COVID, come on, man, then it's going to be just as bad, and everybody's going to die from that.
So, You're going to see all of this going down, but in all of this, the key that you and I need to focus on is not losing sight of our humanity.
We are going to live in a world saturated by AI tools.
We need to learn how to use them selectively to enhance our human experience.
We can enhance our joy with personalized music or movies, or we can enhance our knowledge with how-to videos.
We can enhance our knowledge with the Enoch language model.
We can ask it questions about herbs, questions about gardening.
It can be a chatbot.
It can write descriptions.
It can answer questions about what are these ingredients?
What do these mean?
You know?
We can use the tools, but don't become lost in them.
Remember our humanity and always have contact with the natural, real world.
Grow real food.
Walk in a real forest.
Have a real pet animal like my bunny gobbler.
She gobbles real bunnies, you know?
I've got chickens.
They're a real joy, except when the rooster starts crowing at 3.30 in the morning, that's not a joy.
But normally, the animals are a great joy, but be in the real world wherever you can and have real sunlight on your skin.
You need light, real light.
Dr. Jack Cruz talks about the need for real light.
Don't get lost in the world of technology and AI to the point where you lose your humanity and you become this pale, skinny, skeleton shadow of a human being and clickety-clack on the keyboard all day and just letting AI entertain me and teach me and brainwash me and tell me what's wrong and tell me what's right and tell me what to do and tell me what to eat.
No!
Put yourself in control.
You should control the AI systems.
You imagine it first.
Ask the AI to give it to you.
Like, okay, I want to watch a movie, but instead of letting the AI system tell me what movie I want to watch, I'm going to come up with a movie in my head, and then I'm going to describe it, and then I'm going to get the movie I want.
That puts you in control.
Or before you see an AI doctor, have a goal in mind.
What's my goal?
Oh, I want to have more energy.
You know, I want to drop some pounds.
Maybe I want to improve my skin tone or whatever it is.
Have goals in mind and then talk to the AI. Well, possibly, hopefully a naturopathic physician.
So what foods can I eat that will give me better looking skin?
You know, what herbs can I take that are going to improve by, you know, vitality where it counts in the bedroom or whatever is important to you?
What can I take so that I don't pee fire, you know?
For those of you who have a urinary tract infection, you know?
And then the AI system will say, cranberries.
Eat some cranberries, you know?
Do this stuff.
These herbs are really good for you.
Corn silk tea, you know?
So put yourself in control when you're using AI, and then also make sure you have times where you don't use AI. Because the world is about to go heavy, heavy AI. Trust me, you're going to see it happening so quickly.
Frankly, the way human society functions will be divided by the year 2024. You're going to have post-24 and pre-24.
That's how big of a deal this is of what's coming in 2025. What's coming is almost unimaginable.
And at some point, somebody will even create an AI avatar of me doing these podcasts.
And at some point, you won't be able to know if it's me or not.
So I'm going to have to try to keep it as unpredictable as possible.
Good news is I tend to do that anyway with some kind of off-the-wall comments here and there.
So I'll keep doing that so you know this is not algorithmic.
This is fully human.
And then I'll be in the studio, too, so you can see me and you can see it's fully human.
And, you know, we'll occasionally make human mistakes and so on, but at least you'll know it's the real deal.
But everything's going to change from here forward.
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Mike, good to see you.
Literally, when we talk about can't hang on to conversations like this, a week they expire.
Even 12 hours from now, they could potentially spoil.
And right before I hit the record button, I'm reading about Nick Fuentes, and you saw it, and somebody tried to kill him last night.
Yeah, I wasn't aware of that until you brought it to my attention, and that's pretty wild.
Nick Fuentes, it looks like an attempted killer, came to his door with a pistol and a crossbow.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh.
I mean, this is serious stuff, but who comes to a door with a crossbow and some kind of incendiary device?
I mean, look, this dude, whoever he is who did this, is lucky that Nick Fuentes didn't ventilate him.
You know what I'm saying?
Because a lot of us would have done that.
I mean, you come to my door with a gun, that door doesn't stop the rounds that I'm putting your way.
You know what I'm saying?
So he was killed, which I don't know how the police approached, and he ran into a neighbor's house and killed two more dogs, but according to his post, the tweet or whatever on X, three people were killed earlier in the day.
My goodness.
Well, I mean, this is a strong case for, you know, Second Amendment protection, but how was this killer killed?
Does it say?
I didn't see that part.
Police, it says.
Police.
Okay, so Nick called the police, and they interdicted this guy?
Yeah, because he went into a neighbor's house and killed two dogs.
Alright, so this is obviously some super mentally unstable person, and I guess we need to talk about how our corporate media is a mental illness factory.
for vulnerable people across America and you know we've seen like the school shootings that that have happened in recent memory have been these crazed indoctrinated people in one case you know like a transgender shooter at a christian school a while back and more recently like a a man-hating leftist it appears man these are crazy times but I'm armed all the time.
I'll give you that.
It's the power of social media, man.
It's a dangerous game.
I've been watching a fight go on between the Groypers and some other people.
It's literally been back and forth over the last week or week and a half, maybe even longer.
And I'm like, man, like after last night, it's like people don't realize your work.
I mean, I'm not saying what triggered this, what this guy was reading, whatever.
But social media, it's a dangerous game because he was talking about how his address has been doxed on there.
Yeah.
Well, that's I mean, rule number one is don't sleep at the location where the public thinks your address is.
OK, so many of us have lived by that rule for a long time.
If someone, I mean, I think that should be just a given today.
As somebody in Nick's role who does tend to sort of raise the ire of various groups for various reasons, including I think lately like Trump supporters, but also, you know, possibly Jewish people in some context and so on, you probably shouldn't live where people can find you.
That's my advice.
You shouldn't sleep there.
Yeah, and how do you go forward, though?
I don't know.
Like, you come back on your show.
But he's the kind of guy, I don't think he gets rattled.
I mean, maybe rattled in the short term, but he'll go on.
Yeah, I mean, no, he's not going to stop broadcasting, that's for sure.
And, you know, you think about, like, Candace Owens.
You know, she has also angered a lot of powerful people, but she's not going to be...
Dissuaded from her voice, right?
And I appreciate her voice, by the way.
I appreciate freedom of speech, people speaking their mind.
Even if I don't agree with them on everything, the fact that they are exercising the First Amendment, that matters to me.
Well, and also, you know, you look at, as of recently, the United Healthcare CEO that was gunned down, and I'm just surprised that more of this stuff isn't occurring.
And judges or lower level on that, like, prosecutors that aren't necessarily guarded, not that I'm advocating for that, Mike, but I'm just surprised more of it's not happening.
Well, I'm shocked at how many people typically on the left are celebrating the murder of that UnitedHealth CEO. And I pointed this out early on that it's a very dangerous society when it becomes culturally okay to celebrate the vigilante killing of someone that you think you don't like, even though you don't know them.
But because health insurance costs are too high.
And I've tried to point this out, Michael, that health insurance costs are too high because of the big pharma scam.
It's a drug cartel.
It's an FDA-enforced cartel.
Frankly, the health insurance companies, they always just make a percentage no matter what the costs are, right?
If the costs go down, health insurance costs go down.
If the costs go up, insurance costs go up.
I don't blame the CEO of UnitedHealth I blame all the corrupt big pharma pushers who have put us in this situation.
Because I know that, like RFK Jr. knows, and I'm the health ranger.
I've been teaching nutrition and health for 25 years.
Through nutrition, we can prevent chronic degenerative disease for pennies on the dollar.
We can prevent cancer.
We can prevent diabetes.
And we don't need this current healthcare system the way it's currently structured.
It's a scourge upon humanity.
That's the problem.
Not one CEO, in my opinion.
Well, and also, too, you know, look, I'm a skeptic in terms of where I think this is all going, and I don't want to speak for you, but I feel like we're on the same page.
You know, I don't think the election is going to fix this, where we're heading.
And, you know, people have to take responsibility for their own actions in terms of their personal health.
Because the healthcare system is failing.
And you just gave a couple of reasons why that is.
But, you know, I don't think that Bobby...
First of all, Big Pharma, I can't imagine they're going to let him come in and just destroy their industry.
Well, they're going to resist in every way they can.
That's for sure.
And they have a ton of money to do that in the pharma lobby.
It's huge.
Almost as big as the oil lobby, actually, in terms of the money spent.
But, yeah, I mean, look, their whole model is to keep people sick and diseased.
And then just keep profiting off of the treatment of symptoms with toxic pharmaceuticals.
That is not a sustainable model for civilization long term.
In the short term, it profits certain people.
And remember that direct-to-consumer drug advertising was legalized in the United States around 1997, 1998. Since then, Big Pharma has controlled the media, as we saw during COVID, you know, brought to you by Pfizer.
That experiment will soon be at 30 years running.
Are we healthier 30 years on because Big Pharma could advertise on TV? No, we are not healthier.
As a nation, we're fatter, we're sicker, we've got more cognitive problems, got more obesity, more diabetes than ever before.
If pharmaceuticals were the answer, we'd be the healthiest nation in the world.
Clearly.
It's not.
Yeah, and they're not going to just willingly allow somebody to come in and take away billions of dollars from them.
They're not going, I mean, they're not going to consent to it, obviously.
But that's why what RFK Jr. and Trump potentially can accomplish, it could truly be revolutionary.
Which is, for example, ending direct-to-consumer drug advertising, right there.
You know, there are only two countries in the world that even allow that.
That's us in New Zealand.
If that ends, then it changes the whole game.
But also, think about the NIH, which is under HHS, and the NIH essentially funds most of Big Pharma's research using taxpayer money.
So why are we, the taxpayers, funding research And then a corporation gains the for-profit benefit from that research, and then the FDA enforces the monopoly rights of that corporation.
FDA approved means you've been granted a monopoly right to market a chemical as a treatment for a disease condition.
That's what FDA approval is.
It doesn't mean it works.
It just means you've been granted a monopoly.
Well, that system is funded largely by taxpayers, so it's a racket.
It's a corporate welfare handout to the drug companies and the vaccine makers, really.
And it's not sustainable long term.
Do you think Kennedy will get confirmed?
I do believe he's going to get confirmed.
It's a very tight battle, but I think he's going to get in.
Yeah.
Yeah, I wish, and I'm sure there's more positions to appoint, but I haven't seen any of the medical freedom doctors that I've had on so far, scientists.
None of them have been chosen, which is a little bit, not that I'm one to, you know, see who, you know, would know who was appropriate for these roles, but like in NIH, for example, I mean, I've had a few scientists on, and so far, none of them have gotten the call.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, are you wondering why I think that is?
Yeah, I'm curious.
The confirmation process is very difficult because the Senate is controlled by pharma.
So anyone who has spoken perhaps too aggressively against, let's say, the jabs is going to be an instant no from the Senate.
Now, and this is worth noting that RFK Jr. is not opposed to vaccines.
He's not an anti-vaxxer.
Even though he's been called that, that's not his position.
He believes in vaccine science, you could say.
He just wants to make vaccines safer and have more testing and remove the contaminants such as aluminum or squalene or mercury in some cases in flu vaccines and so on.
So that position is a little more palatable by the Senate, even though RFK is barely, just barely maybe acceptable.
I guess we'll see.
But someone who comes out and says, This whole field of medicine is wrong.
This is not how we achieve widespread immunity.
That person will never be acceptable to the Senate.
So we are a captured nation.
We've been captured by corporate interests, which includes, I think, the war machine, the pharmaceutical machine, the pesticide companies also, that are all seeking the same kind of immunity that the vaccine industry currently enjoys.
Did you know that?
Like, Bayer's trying to get a law pushed through?
No, I didn't know that.
Well, they got hammered with billions of dollars of settlements because of the Monsanto lawsuits over glyphosate.
Glyphosate, when it comes into contact with your skin, In a large enough quantity causes, or at least is strongly linked, I'll say, to non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.
And the juries are awarding large awards to people who have been subjected to that because of glyphosate exposure.
Well, when Bayer bought Monsanto for like $65 billion, something in that range, Bayer took on that liability.
And I think they reached a large across-the-board settlement with a large number of people, but they realized that the best way to move forward is to pay off Congress, to pass a law saying that pesticide and herbicide companies can never be sued, just like the vaccine companies.
And that is what's being pushed through committee right now in the House.
So total immunity for the companies that poison your food.
There you go.
But Mike, I thought, you know, the Republicans taking the control of the House and Senate and now Trump was going to fix all this stuff.
Republicans do not oppose pesticides.
I like that number one right there.
Republicans do not oppose pesticides.
And in years past, like when I attended a march against Monsanto in Austin, Texas, I was surrounded by Democrats at the time.
That was many years ago before they completely lost their minds.
Now, I don't even think that march would happen.
I don't think Democrats oppose pesticides anymore, and certainly the Republicans don't oppose pesticides.
I mean, the Democrats are pro-war, and the Republicans are pro-war in the Middle East.
Democrats are like, let's have war in Europe, and Republicans, let's have war with Iran.
All the parties have lost their way.
This is why you and I and some people we know in common are very skeptical about where this is all headed.
It's not a pretty scene.
Yeah, I don't even know if it could be slowed down at this point.
I mean, maybe Trump could slow it down.
But as far as I'm concerned, as technology continues to advance, they're just going to tighten the grip and tighten the grip and tighten the grip.
These people never relinquish control.
Well, this is an area where I'm doing a lot of work right now, building our own AI language model, for example, that is a decentralized open source model.
I truly believe that decentralization Can help humanity insulate itself from what you're talking about, the obedience demands of centralized control systems.
And this is why I speak so much about decentralization, why I invest a lot of money in technologies that are decentralized.
Like one of our platforms, Brighttown.io, is a decentralized social media platform.
It has no central servers.
So no government can confiscate the servers.
They don't exist, right?
It's peer-to-peer.
It's a blockchain-run content distribution system.
Decentralized money would include cryptocurrency, but especially privacy coins, right?
Decentralized knowledge is now...
The search engines are about to be overtaken by language models.
So Google is becoming obsolete.
I mean, did you know that Google's ad business is utterly collapsing right now?
Have you seen anything on that?
No.
Yeah.
Their ad business is in a state of collapse.
I mean, Google's entire revenue model, they're facing an existential threat for the revenue model and mass accusations of fraudulent clicks and things like that.
But I know, I mean, someone that I know who is a very successful entrepreneur, this is just one example, used to spend $400,000 a month advertising with Google.
Over the last two years, dropped it to zero.
Because they said it was nothing but fraudulent clicks.
Google was committing fraud to pay their executives and to simulate clicks that generated no business.
And all over YouTube, there are e-commerce specialists that talk about how everybody's moving away from Google advertising.
It does not perform.
It's not worth it.
What they're doing instead, Michael, which is great news for people like you and I, is they're paying influencers.
That's the model that's working for businesses, is paying influencers.
So that's actually a form of decentralization, which I think is very positive.
And why should one giant corporation control advertising revenue and what you're allowed to see Where individuals like you and I, we become points of conducting due diligence and trying out products and deciding what is our philosophy and what we want to support or not, you know?
And that, I mean, even like Nick Fuentes that we were just talking about earlier, he's in the same boat.
But people who are influencers like that, that's where the future of advertising is, really.
If you want ads that work, I never understood the Google model.
You know, this company is worth billions of dollars, and based on what?
I mean, even Apple.
I mean, I was having a conversation earlier this week, and at this point, Apple, what does their new products do?
It's a better camera?
A little bit of a longer battery life?
I know.
Frankly, I think a lot of Apple's business model is just people who want to keep up and look trendy with the latest tech.
Like, that's it.
Like you said, the newest iPhone, it's not that much better than the last iPhone.
How do you justify a $1,200 phone that's 2% better?
You don't.
And it's been like that for eight years.
Right.
I mean, hey, frankly, since Steve Jobs left, Apple just has not had that level of innovation.
Yeah.
They don't have visionaries.
What they have is logistics coordinators who are just running the machine, but they can't think outside the box, in my opinion.
That's my view.
Do you think the government would let Google fail?
If Google was really in that dire straits, would they just somehow prop money, inflate them, so they could keep going?
No, actually, you know how I said, search engines are being replaced by AI models, but the government has already infiltrated all the AI companies, like OpenAI, completely taken over.
And Google is shifting, of course, to AI, and Facebook AI. What's really exciting to me, though, about this, Is that the open source AI community achieved so many advancements so rapidly that they got so far ahead of the curve that the government cannot contain that.
They can't put it back in the box.
So remember the early days of the internet, the late 1990s and the early 2000s when you could post a website, you know, you could say anything you wanted.
Even the early days of like Facebook, even the early days of YouTube, you could post almost anything you wanted.
And the early days of Google, you know, you could get a decent ranking, even though you were critical of the establishment.
Well, that's what it's like now in the open source AI community, with sites like Hugging Face, where you can freely download from hundreds of thousands of language models.
And in France, there's a lot of innovation of AI developers in France, like the Mistral company there.
In the United States, this is also taking off.
You know, we're contributing to it, like I said, brighteon.ai.
We're releasing a new model that is trained on alternative media, natural health, nutrition, off-grid medicine, survival, and prepping.
And that model's free.
It's going to be released, I think, March 1st.
It's called ENOC. And this is the kind of thing that the government really can't stop.
There was a...
Mark Andreessen was interviewed recently.
I don't know if it was with Tucker or who it was.
He said that he was told that the government's going to Classify entire branches of mathematics that are used in the AI industry.
And in that way, the government's going to stifle innovation and control AI and put it in the hands of a few powerful corporations that the government controls, like OpenAI.
Well, I ran that by the people that I know who are really the top innovators in the AI industry globally.
I mean, the top people.
And they said, it's too late.
It's too late.
The math is already out there.
It's been published across hundreds of thousands of papers, white papers, science papers.
The math is already embedded in thousands of open source models.
People already have the code.
It's widely distributed.
So the government has missed the opportunity to stifle the AI language model systems.
That's where we are.
Really interesting.
You don't see them being able to kind of weasel their way into some of these larger open AI type organizations to be able to get a grip?
Well, they've done that.
They've done that.
The large corporate models will always conform to the CIA narratives from here forward.
So they have infiltrated.
They do the same thing that they did to Zuckerberg years ago or the founders of Google.
The CIA shows up and just says, look...
You're going to do what we want, or we're going to invent some crimes, arrest you and crash your company and stage a sale of all your stocks and you'll be destroyed.
So you can either play ball with us, build in the back doors that we want, or you're done and you'll die in prison.
Which do you want?
You can choose one.
That's it.
That's how all large corporations work, essentially.
You were writing on Acts earlier today in regards to El Salvador.
The United States government, they want their own Bitcoin, right?
They want to get control of Bitcoin.
Am I understanding that correctly?
Yeah, clearly.
So one of the great properties of Bitcoin and other crypto is that it cannot be counterfeited by any government.
I mean, that's an essential property, I think, for a financial future of our world.
And so Bitcoin being a consensus distributed ledger, no government can just seize control of it and counterfeit it.
El Salvador was leading the way with Bitcoin integration, innovation wallets that were approved by the government and used by merchants all across El Salvador.
They were trying to make Bitcoin a day-to-day currency, which was really the original vision of Bitcoin that has kind of slipped away, unfortunately.
But then the IMF shows up and says, hey, El Salvador, we'll give you billions of dollars Free money, because the West can just print it.
They don't care.
But you have to stop all this Bitcoin promotion stuff.
You have to sell off your wallets.
Stop pushing a national Bitcoin e-commerce system across your country.
The IMF stepped in and basically wanted to end the El Salvador Bitcoin experiment.
And apparently, El Salvador's government acquiesced to the demand, took the money, and now they're rooting out Bitcoin, as I understand it.
I mean, we'll see.
The news just broke, so maybe there's going to be a big backlash, I hope.
But so far, it looks like they capitulated.
Yeah, you know, and that's where, again, the skeptic in me, you know, people talk about Argentina, people talk about El Salvador, and like Malay.
I mean, it appears that he's doing a great job, right?
I mean, I know you just interviewed Michael, was it yesterday?
Talking about Argentina.
Yep.
And talking about Argentina.
And again, you know, wasn't Argentina trying to get into NATO at one point?
Yeah.
Yeah, well, yeah.
Turkey's trying to get into the EU, you know.
That's probably never going to happen now.
But the world is changing so rapidly in terms of finance and ledger systems.
And my belief, and, you know, I've read Hijacking Bitcoin, and I've interviewed Aaron Day.
I just interviewed Roger Ver, actually.
Well, he wasn't able to speak, so I interviewed Tracy Thurman sitting beside Roger Ver.
You know, he's Bitcoin Jesus, as he's called.
I believe that, for the most part, the corrupt, incompetent Western leaders, which are strongly characterized by the Biden administration, but there's going to be an element of this in the Trump administration as well.
They are...
Five years behind, 10 years behind, maybe, in terms of decentralized financial systems or privacy.
They don't even understand privacy crypto.
As a result, the Western dollar system is going to be eclipsed, in my opinion.
It's going to be eclipsed very rapidly by ultimately the BRICS system.
Which is, think about BRICS, it's not a currency, it's a settlement system that uses a decentralized but permissioned Blockchain unit trading system where units can only come into existence when a nation vaults 40% of gold of the unit and 60% of currencies of the participating nations.
In other words, you know how in Bitcoin, the Bitcoins just come into existence magically when you do mining operations, right?
There's a block reward.
Or with other coins that, you know, here's a supply of coins.
Ethereum just keeps creating them ad infinitum.
But the unit for BRICS only comes into existence when you vault gold.
This is why China, we just found out China's been buying 10 times more gold than they reported, right?
This was huge news in the last day.
You have to vault gold The gold is vaulted and audited, inspected and audited, certified, and then for every gram of gold that you have vaulted, that counts 40% toward the creation of the unit, which is a token of trade settlement among these nations.
Now, think about this, Michael.
If you're India, And you're trading with Russia, you're trading with Iran, you're trading with China, and you're trading with the West.
Do you want to be subjected to dollar sanction weaponization where some lunatic like Victoria Nuland or State Department people, Jake Sullivan, can come along and say, we sanction you.
You can't use our banks.
You can't use your dollars.
You're done.
You can't sell this.
We're going to sanction this corporation.
You're done.
Or Do you want to use a currency that nobody can mess with, nobody can counterfeit, nobody can stop?
That's bricks.
So if you're India, you're going to go, bricks please, bricks for breakfast, bricks for lunch, you know?
You're going to be eating bricks...
Can I use profanity on your show?
You can do whatever you want, Mike, yeah.
Okay.
You're going to be shitting bricks.
You're going to be...
There are so many bricks!
Everybody's going to go to bricks!
Because why are you going to mess with the dollar when it's a weapon?
So, I mean, it's coming, man.
Have you interviewed Andy Sheckman?
No, uh-uh.
I strongly recommend you connect with Sheckman.
He's the CEO of Miles Franklin.
I can introduce you to him if you want.
He was talking about BRICS two years before anybody else took it seriously.
He knows exactly what's coming.
It's going to be, I mean, historic.
The West, you know how Michael Jahn says, like Western Europe, the economy is collapsing.
Michael called it two years ago, too.
He said, Germany is going to collapse.
What do we see now?
The German government's collapsing.
German economy's collapsing.
German industry's collapsing.
Did you see the stat that came out on, I forgot who posted on Twitter, I think it's Mercedes-Benz, their sales have dropped 80%.
I forgot the time period, but maybe that's over two years or three years.
80%?!
You're done!
You know?
Here's where I'm, you know, I want to run this past you and get your thoughts on it.
Because, you know, we look at, over the last couple of weeks, it's Syria, right?
Collapse of Syria.
You had France, no confidence.
Germany, no confidence.
Georgia.
Georgia, right?
Country of Georgia.
Who else am I missing in Europe?
I'm missing somebody.
Oh, UK. Well, I was thinking of the Freeland resigning from Canada and Trudeau under a lot of Canada is right down the road.
UK is on the brink.
But, you know, some people have said, you know, that's in terms of like the populism rising, right?
That this recent election is demonstrating that the people are standing up.
Am I skeptical here?
This is not a good thing that's happening right now, correct?
Or am I misinterpreting the whole thing?
All these countries, all of these...
Oh, South Korea was the other one.
South Korea declaring martial law for five minutes.
Yeah, right.
That was funny.
Not funny for the president there, who's probably going to spend life in prison.
Yeah, there is a popular revolt, but understand that the damage that's already been done by these corrupt leaders, like look at Scholz in Germany, who went along with America's destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines, which devastated Germany's industry, devastated it, right?
And you can't come back from that.
Companies like Basif in Germany have already shifted operations to China.
You know, massive chemical manufacturers that produce like 45,000 different chemicals, right?
Used to be the largest in the world.
That's changing.
I just mentioned Mercedes-Benz.
Other automobile manufacturers in Germany, glass makers in France, you know, and the weapons manufacturing across Western Europe has dropped to almost nothing.
Almost nothing.
The damage has been...
It's already been inflicted to such an extent that even if the populace kick the corrupt criminal cabal of leaders out, which is happening, it's going to take a couple of generations to bring these countries back from where they used to be.
The damage is significant.
And in Western Europe...
And by the way, I mean, it's your show.
Interrupt me anytime you want.
No, please.
In Western Europe...
The economic damage was caused by the climate lunatics even before the war with Russia.
The climate lunatics said, we have to lock down all the energy and not use it in Europe.
Like, don't use those gas fields, right?
So what do they do?
They import natural gas from the U.S. at triple the price.
But Europe has energy.
They just refuse to use it.
And as a result, they have suffered an economic decline that was only exacerbated by the Nord Stream destruction.
So Europe has committed a kind of climate economic suicide.
I mean, Western Europe has lost its mind and it's being invaded on top of that.
So, how do you help a suicide cult, you know?
How do you see that playing out then?
Do you see it going hot in terms of, and what would a scenario look like for you, to you, if it were to go hot between the countries?
Civil War, breaking up of the EU. I can't believe, though, the EU has been able to stick together as long as it has.
Similar to the United States.
How they've been able...
These people are very creative, Mike.
You have to give them credit.
Because they've figured out ways to keep this thing stitched together and limp along.
Well...
I don't think it's going to go hot like nation on nation conflict in Europe.
I don't see that happening.
What I see is each Western nation being taken over, frankly, by mostly Muslim immigrants.
And I think that Western Europe, the whole Christian domination of Western Europe is coming to an end.
Soon it's going to be known as a Muslim continent or subcontinent.
And I mean, remember, Turkey is what, like 96% Islam, I believe, something close to that.
And you think about it, the Christian climate culture of Western Europe is a culture that it refuses to defend itself.
They refuse to defend their borders.
They refuse to tap into their own natural resources.
They refuse to defend the rule of law.
So in these countries, if you point out, hey, here's an illegal immigrant rapist who raped these poor young women or men, boys or girls, if you point that out and you post that on social media, you go to jail in the UK. So that kind of society that is bent on self-destruction has no future.
And I've had this conversation with Michael Jan, and he completely agrees.
We both agree Western Europe is done.
It's just a matter of how it gets dismantled.
It's not coming back.
It's done.
I mean, a hundred years from now, they'll look back, they'll write the history.
Like the age of Christian, you know, white domination of Europe, it ended like 2032 or whatever.
It's done.
It won't come back.
It's been lost.
The survival instinct is gone.
To the point where you wouldn't even want to go there to visit, vacation?
No.
No.
All the streets are too narrow anyway, and the hotel rooms are too tiny, and all the furniture is too small for us Americans, you know?
And the farther you go back in time in Europe, the smaller everything gets, so no.
Plus, I like to eat fresh fruits and vegetables, which they don't serve anywhere in Europe in the winter months.
You know what I mean?
So, forget it.
No.
You know, you're saying Turkey's 96% Islam, apparently not when they want to take over a country.
Syria.
And they partner up with the United States, the CIA, and Israel in order to, you know, control the airspace.
They put that stuff aside, I'm guessing, right, to make those things happen.
Well, Erdogan is the great chameleon, let me tell you.
That guy...
He's a traitor to his own people.
He's a traitor to his allies, but he's a chameleon survivor a lot like Netanyahu.
So they're operators, man.
They have nine lives, but they care nothing about their countrymen.
I thought Assad had nine lives, man.
I mean, I was saying, you know, when it was starting, I was like, I don't know, that guy's like a cat.
You just can't get rid of him.
Reminded me of the end of Scarface with Tony Montana when he was up on the balcony and the hit squad was shooting at him.
He's blown away with his bazooka.
But he was still standing there taking the bullets until eventually they got him.
But that was Assad to me.
He just couldn't get the guy to go.
But that was what was so bizarre about it too because all of a sudden the military just stood down and they just swept through.
The rebels just came through and just took it.
Well, I mean, there are reasons for that.
But Assad abandoned Syria and...
The dynamic is—I think it's really critical to understand that that is a—if we're going to talk Middle East geopolitics, I think that's a major victory, obviously, for Israel.
It makes Turkey more of an ally with Israel.
It makes Turkey more of an ally with NATO, frankly.
And it's a huge blow to Iran, which is the ally of Russia.
However—and also, it's an existential threat to the very existence of Lebanon— And both Hezbollah and Hamas in Gaza are in dire straits at this point.
So Israel's very happy about that.
A lot of Western supporters of Israel are very happy about that.
It puts Iran into a position of a compressed threat force, where Iran now has to calculate a possible retaliatory response, which it still reserves the right to invoke against Israel from the last attack, assassinations, targeted attack from Israel.
And Iran, because of technology transfer from Russia and probably China, Iran has already demonstrated that it has ballistic missiles capable of defeating the Iron Dome of Israel.
And then the real game changer, though, in my opinion, especially for Europe, Is Russia's demonstration of the Oreshnik medium-range meteor, you know, skyfall weapon system, where, you know, you saw that, but the kinetic weapons coming in at least Mach 11 with devastating penetration force and explosive force to destroy underground installations.
That weapon is unstoppable by the West.
And it's the West.
It's actually Trump's pulling out from the medium-range missile treaties that led to Russia accelerating the development of this weapon system.
And it's obvious that Putin can put the Oreshnik system, the final delivery system, which has 36 submunitions, he can put that on an intercontinental ballistic missile.
So Putin can Have a non-nuclear kinetic destruction of any target anywhere on Earth, including aircraft carriers, including the White House, if he wished, or a financial center.
We're talking non-nuclear, but devastating and unstoppable.
That is highly destabilizing in terms of, you know, the...
The world's geopolitics.
The West has no response to that.
And we're going to see a lot more of this.
Oh, and according to estimates, Russia can manufacture 300 of these Oreshnik missile systems per year.
That's almost, I mean, almost one a day.
Imagine if they started using those against Israel.
Think about it.
I mean, Israel's done, if that ever were to happen.
It doesn't feel, though, that Iran, I mean, because they're so isolated right now, and this is what I was going to ask you, is, you know, in terms of relation to BRICS, I had Paul Craig Roberts on, and he was talking about how Iran now is forced to make a deal with the United States, or maybe they need to come back to the petrodollar because Hezbollah has been, you know, decapitated, I mean, virtually.
Hamas, Syria is now in control of Turkey.
Hamas is, you know, basically dormant at this point.
So, what choice does Iran have in terms of making a deal?
Well, I admire Paul Craig Roberts, by the way.
But I think he may be leaving out the other option, which is to focus on the economic warfare of accelerating BRICS adoption.
See, if you think about it, Israel is funded by obviously the US and the weapons supply to Israel comes from the United States.
The United States weapons come from the currency printing of the dollar.
If the Fed and the Treasury can no longer sell off debt, eventually they can't print.
They can't print meaningful value, in other words, that could be used to manufacture weapons.
So the weak point from, I'm saying like from Iran's point of view or, I'm sorry, Michael Yanis texted me right now while we're talking.
While we are, from Iran's point of view or from Russia's point of view, The weak point of the West is the dollar currency.
And as more nations abandon the dollar, which including the fact that Saudi Arabia has said it's selling oil in non-dollar denominated currencies, and many other countries obviously, then the West actually doesn't have that long to continue as the hegemonic monopoly Projection force around the world,
especially with China rising up in terms of his naval power and his naval presence and its massive shipyards that can massively outproduce the United States Navy by a huge factor.
Over 100 times larger bandwidth of production is what China has.
So my guess is that Iran wants to simply avoid kinetic warfare and let the economic scenario play out.
Do you see Israel marching across Lebanon to further escalate or, you know, push them back even further with their nuclear development program?
Which, how long does it take to create a nuke?
Because I've been hearing about this for 20 plus years.
Well, so Iran clearly already has nuclear weapons capability.
They perhaps just haven't put the warhead on the missile.
But you know how they've always said, they've always said, it's a year away, it's a year away, it's a year away, it's a year away.
I've been hearing that for 20 years.
You know, building a crude atomic weapon...
By today's standards is not that complicated for a nation-state to carry out, right?
And Iran has, you know, frankly brilliant mathematicians and physicists and so on, right?
And Russia has brilliant mathematicians and physicists and aeronautical engineers and materials science experts and so on.
So they have nuclear weapons.
Or they have the ability to rapidly put them together and deploy them.
I don't think that that's what they want to do.
Like I said, I think they're playing the longer game is to let the dollar weaken and collapse.
Now, you asked, would Israel march?
I mean, they'd have to march across northern Iraq, I guess, at some point.
I mean, they'd have to march across Syria.
No, no.
There's no chance that Israel is going to do that.
Because they can't, I mean, number one, Iran would just bomb the crap out of all their columns of armor and people, and Israel can't take that kind of loss.
So, no.
But what Israel does want to do is they want to get the United States into a war with Iran.
That's clear.
And that's what Lindsey Graham wants.
And that's what a lot of US senators want.
And that's what the military industrial complex wants.
So the litmus test for Trump, in my opinion, is going to be, can Trump resist the pressure to escalate war with Iran?
Because that would be Vietnam in the Middle East.
It would be a bloodbath for America.
You cannot conquer Iran.
I mean, come on.
I mean, look at history, right?
How many times has it been tried?
Forget it.
It's huge.
The terrain.
I mean, come on.
Wouldn't work.
Do you think Trump...
I mean, he's always been an advocate for no new wars.
His cabinet position suggests something differently, though.
There's another option for Trump, which is to try to economically damage Iran as much as possible by bombing Iran's oil fields, right?
That's a possibility.
But as far as committing troops or committing to some kind of attempted occupation, Of Iran, no.
Now, you mentioned Lebanon earlier.
I do think that Israel will continue to expand its Greater Israel Project.
I believe Israel will attack Beirut.
I mean, essentially, Israel can now surround Lebanon.
They can go around the east side of Lebanon and they can attack from the north because of what's just happened with Syria.
So it's clear to me that the nations that should be really worried about Israel's expansion include now Egypt, obviously Jordan, which is friendly to the West, the Saudis, Iraqis, but also even Southern Turkey is a target for Israel's plan.
So that's going to be a really interesting dynamic.
I mean, Erdogan right now is like, hey, Netanyahu, I'm your best friend.
Unless you try to take part of Turkey, you know, like, how's that going to go down?
Not good.
And what's the financial, you know, situation in Turkey right now?
Because people I've spoken to said that, I mean, it's a very unstable, I mean, the whole world is unstable financially, but how dire a shape are they in?
Well, I think, I mean, even though Turkey is struggling right now, obviously, but Turkey is well positioned, I think, for economic abundance in the future for a couple of reasons.
Number one, Turkey is able to trade with both Western countries and Eastern countries.
And they've been able to kind of bridge that in a very clever way.
Secondly, Turkey is very strong on innovation.
Turkey has a really amazing drone warfare manufacturing program and R&D program.
Turkey has, I mean, they're developing unmanned fighter drones, like the size of jet fighters, but no humans in them.
Those will be highly demanded around the world as drone wars expand here in the near future.
We're starting to see a little bit of that possibly in the skies over New Jersey.
We'll see.
But the other thing is that Turkey also has a labor force, a domestic labor force, that is still willing to work.
And this is something that lacks, I believe, in most Western countries.
You know, the United States and the UK, for example, have entered the complacency stage of, you know, the fourth turning or whatever you want to call it.
The complacency stage where everybody's just, the money's been too easy, the interest rates have been too low for too long, everybody's fat and happy, and they've got too much stuff, and nobody wants to work and build anything anymore.
I mean, that's, honestly, that's where the West is.
I mean, like, if you get a job in Germany, the first thing they do is they give you like six months of vacation with pay.
It's just like, nobody's working, you know?
But that's not the case in Turkey.
In Turkey, they work.
They build stuff.
And they're pretty good at it.
So Turkey's got a strong economic future, I believe.
Seeing right now, too, is, you know, with the Houthis, right, with their drones.
And I saw that they launched, was it missiles or drones into Tel Aviv?
Well, I think both.
And they also have the surface drones on the ocean that have been effective as well.
But I think those drones are, I mean, I don't think the Houthis are, you know, engineering those.
I think they're just getting them and deploying them, is my understanding.
What have you heard on that?
Well, just the usage of it is what I mean by that, is the fact that the effectiveness of the drones...
I mean, I saw...
I had Salmer Cagliano on a few times, which, if you're ever looking for a merchant marine shipping, he's one of the best.
You probably know he is.
He's got a great channel on YouTube, but he put a video up of one of these boats, manless boats, just heading towards a cargo ship, and they're trying to shoot it.
They're shooting it with an AR out of the water.
Yeah.
And it doesn't seem like they have a response for the Houthis.
Now, with this recent attack, I don't know what Israel...
I think they were bombing Yemen as early as last night.
Well, so the Yemeni's military has nullified the entire U.S. Navy when it comes to the Red Sea and ultimately passage through the Suez Canal.
I mean, I'm really glad you brought this up.
This is really critical, I think, for our audiences to understand.
This goes back to the dollar and naval projection of power and international shipping.
The Suez Canal and the Panama Canal are critical in this equation.
The only reason the dollar has global power, I mean, this is similar to the British pound sterling in the days when the British Royal Navy dominated the seas.
The reason the British pound sterling was the currency of the world was because the Navy dominated the seas.
No Navy, no currency, okay?
Like, all throughout history, look at the history of Portugal, the history of France, the history of trade in Rome, all of it.
Equals currency domination.
When the US Navy can no longer protect ships moving through the Red Sea on their way to the Suez Canal, or when the US financial system can no longer bribe Egypt with enough money to maintain Western control over that canal, or when China projects its influence into Panama and begins to take over the Panama Canal, etc., Then you have the inability of the Western navies to traverse the seas and project power to protect commercial shipping routes.
When the West no longer controls the shipping routes, then the dollar dies.
It really is that simple.
And the power that's rising up is very clear.
It's China.
China's Navy, China's trade, China's shipping.
You have, you know, what's it called?
The Strait of Malacca, I think it's called, that's really critical in Southeast Asia on the southern border, right, with Malaysia and Indonesia there.
That a lot of the world trade flows through that strait, which can be controlled by Malaysia, which is applying to be a BRICS partner, right?
So you can start to see how this shapes up.
It's all interrelated.
But when the Houthis can block the US Navy from protecting commerce through the Red Sea, you know that dollar hegemony is coming to an end, period.
Where is your level?
Where do you sit in regards to China making some type of move into Taiwan?
So I have a lot of qualifications.
I lived in Taiwan.
I speak Mandarin Chinese.
My wife is from Taiwan.
I'm very, very familiar with the situation there.
My best guess is that China is simply going to play the long game.
China doesn't want war conflict with Taiwan.
And more and more over time, the Taiwanese people are seeing, number one, that China's economy is very much a free market economy.
I mean, you can say it's communism in the political class, which, of course, Xi is, I guess, a lifelong dictator.
But the economy in China is in many ways more free than the economy in the United States.
I mean, it's shocking, but it's true.
The Taiwanese people, more and more, you know, there's always been this battle between the DPP and the Kuomintang there about, you know, whether they should unify with China or not.
More and more though, I can tell you, especially among the youth in Taiwan, their belief is that having some kind of a Hong Kong style union with China will give Taiwan more access to global markets and will improve the quality of life and the economy of Taiwan.
Whether people disagree or agree with that, that is what the Taiwan people are increasingly saying.
And they may be exactly right about that point.
As an isolated nation, Taiwan has attempted to tie its future to the West.
To America, an empire that's collapsing.
You know, the U.S. empire, as we know it, is collapsing.
The dollar is collapsing.
We just talked about naval power is collapsing.
Look at the Biden administration.
I mean, Michael Yan calls these like dog kings.
These are signs of a collapsing empire, right?
Dog kings.
And Kamala Harris and Joe Biden were just examples of dog kings or dog queens, whatever.
And there's a specific meaning to that.
It's a way to tell the people that you rule over them and that they have no power whatsoever.
Right?
It's a kind of ritualistic psychological abuse of the population.
But from Taiwan's point of view, as the U.S. Empire loses power, Taiwan is going to find itself in real trouble.
And I believe even right now the fifth fleet, the naval fleet, they could not stop mainland China invasion anyway.
No way.
So China's going to play the long game.
That's my best guess on it.
They're just going to wait this out.
Like Iran.
Look, all the enemies of the West right now, I think they want to just have no conflict and wait it out and wait for the dollar to collapse.
That's my best guess.
In your estimation, how far off do you think that is?
Well, that's a tough one, because it's going to be a trigger event.
You know, I would suggest, you know, Martin Armstrong has good information on this.
I mentioned Andy Sheckman.
There are others in the financial space, like Catherine Austin Fitz, Solari, and so on, who are better qualified in that space than am I. I would just say that it's not set on a calendar.
There's going to be a trigger event.
That trigger event could come any time or it could be years away.
But I've also said publicly, Michael, that I believe that Trump, like when Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy and Trump, if they actually sit down in a room and say, how do we achieve government efficiency?
How do we solve this debt problem?
I think the only conclusion they can come to is, well, we have to default on the debt.
We have to have a reset because it's too far gone.
That could be a trigger event right there.
And I do believe that day is coming.
I just don't know when.
Yeah, the whole Elon, you know, he's hanging around Trump everywhere now.
Yeah, yeah.
It's weird, right?
Well, I don't mind the influence.
I mean...
Frankly, I think the US government needs some private sector innovation and radicalism, in essence.
But ultimately, like I said, the only answer to the US debt problem is to default on the debt.
There's no way out of the system.
I mean, it's designed to only end in collapse.
I mean, when the Fed creates currency, loans it to the Treasury, The Treasury can never pay it back because you have to come up with more money to pay it back because of the interest rate to the Fed.
So it can never be repaid back.
I mean, it ends in collapse.
It's just a question of what that looks like or when it happens.
I'm getting gold and silver and privacy crypto, whatever.
When the Western system collapses, I really hope to minimize my exposure, and that's the information I'm sharing with people, too.
The possibility of another pandemic, that could KO the system, right?
Because that would throw the supply chain out of whack?
True.
You're exactly right.
There's a lot of fragility in the current system.
And it doesn't even have to be a real pandemic, right?
It can just be another scare, a big something, a big fake, you know, a fake pandemic.
They scare everybody and they order everybody to shut down.
Like you said, boom, there goes the supply chain.
It's like...
We're all ready.
I didn't mean to cut you off.
Go ahead.
I had always said if we were ever faced with any, this is even before the pandemic, if we were ever faced with any adversity, this country would just crumble.
And then COVID comes, and you just saw the way people just, all the guns in the world, they just laid them all down and complied.
Yeah.
I don't know, you know, I ask people this question, and I'll be curious what your thoughts are.
Do you think people would willingly comply again?
Maybe not with COVID, but with something else?
You make an excellent point.
They won't comply with COVID. They will comply with a bigger scare, such as a faked alien invasion.
So the cosmic false flag theory, which has been circulating around for quite some time, like Stephen Greer has been talking about that, and these drones and so on, and I've talked about it too.
And I think that's actually a very viable false flag event, where they fake, and oh, it's been called also Project Blue Beam, you've heard of this, where the idea is like they project the face of Christ in the clouds, and they fake like...
The second coming of Christ and then all the Christians lay down their AR-15s.
I wouldn't put it past the system to try some big, bold, fake, whatever, mothership in the sky or Christ on a horse coming out of the heavens, you know?
They'll try something big like that and a lot of people might fall for something like that.
Not us, obviously.
That's just a bunch of drones in the shape of Christ, you know?
But some people will fall for it.
Yeah.
Maybe a lot.
People aren't that bright, man.
I think the aliens are already here, man.
Go to any Walmart.
There's a lot of aliens running around the Walmarts around here.
No, I mean, you take your average consumer that's living on junk food, all jabbed up and lobotomized with daytime television, whatever.
They don't have a lot of discernment, you know?
Yeah.
And this is why we're in the mess that we're in.
People don't have the bandwidth.
They don't want to hear what you and I are talking about right now.
No, there's probably way more interesting celebrity news somewhere that somebody cares about.
But whatever.
I think what you and I are talking about, this is the stuff that really matters.
Frankly, the reason I do what I do And we talk to a lot of the same people.
It's because I want to help those who want to live through this and want to help build on the other side of this.
I want to help you navigate this, whatever's coming.
We're going to go through a very difficult time.
It's not the end of the world.
You can survive this.
You can navigate this.
And frankly, it doesn't actually take that much planning to get through this.
I mean, it's just simple things like don't have all your life savings in dollars.
But yet 99% of the people do.
So when the dollar collapses, they're done.
Like, wait a minute.
You put every dollar in the dollar?
Like you didn't think about in a world of other systems of value, Including gold or whatever.
You didn't think that maybe you should have diversity?
Well, no, my investment advisor told me that diversity is having different accounts in different banks all in the dollar.
Or different investments in different stocks all in the dollar.
Like, no, that's not diversity.
That's just obedience to the system.
You're just playing their game.
They took it from you.
The great taking, you know?
Come on.
But thankfully, people get red-pilled like never before, you know?
Thanks to shows like yours, too.
Thanks for what you do.
Well, but you're somebody that's been...
I mean, people in my everyday life, still, they think because of the election that this is all going to go away now and that we're done and golden era.
And I give you credit because you've always been...
You're very critical and very objective with everything that's happening right now.
You always have been that way, at least since I've been following you.
I try to be, yeah.
But people, I mean, in my own little world, they think that we, this is it, the golden era, great times ahead.
Yeah, well, you know, hope sells, right?
Or hopium sells.
Hopium is an addictive substance.
There's nothing wrong with having a positive outlook.
I mean, I have a long-term positive outlook, actually.
But...
There's a realistic series of steps to get there.
And just blindly believing in somebody else's leadership, like Trump's leadership, that's not a successful strategy in the long run.
Trump means well.
He's got a lot more experience because of what happened in his first term.
I think he'll do a lot of right things.
But ultimately, I mean, the big, big picture of what I'm looking at is that the very structure of government and the relationship between people in society, the very structure of government and currency and medicine and knowledge is obsolete.
The centralized control.
You have to believe this authority.
We have fact-checkers.
They're gonna censor you if you don't agree with what the corporations told the scientists to say.
Like, that whole model is done, frankly.
It's obsolete.
The future of human civilization, if the right forces win, that would be those of us who are, you know, people with values and ethics who care about the future of humanity.
The future is decentralization.
Decentralized food.
You grow more of your own food or you work with local farmers.
Decentralized medicine.
You can go to a naturopath.
You can go to a Chinese medicine practitioner.
You can grow herbs and use them as food or medicine.
You know, your doctor isn't licensed by the state that tells them they can't talk about ivermectin, right?
That's insane.
But decentralized money, it's not the dollar, it's not the euro, it's not the yen, right?
Decentralized money, what is it?
Probably some form of cryptocurrency, maybe backed by gold, so it's a hybrid solution that's got real value behind it.
But decentralized knowledge, what is that?
Not the search engines, right?
Language models, open source language models, you run them on your local computer.
So when you type in whatever you're searching for, Google doesn't know what it is and they can't spy on you and market to you because you typed in, oh, where can I get cream for hemorrhoids, you know, and all of a sudden you get marketed that.
Nobody wants corporations spying on their hemorrhoids problems, right?
So decentralization is the answer to this.
And that's exactly what's being unleashed.
What do you envision the next four years looking like as we approach the end of 24 and Trump?
Well, first of all, before you answer that, do you see any more Things that could occur between now and the inauguration.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I do believe between now and the inauguration, we're going to see quite a few still crazy things, probably involving whatever these drones are.
More crazy things.
It's clear that, you know, the Biden regime, there's kind of, what do they say?
We're throwing gold bars over the edge of the Titanic.
They're trying to massively pre-fund all their programs.
It's a helicopter money moment for the Biden regime, just throwing money at Ukraine, throwing money at Israel, throwing money at all the climate groups, the NGOs, you name it, right?
Locking in long-term contracts for federal employees so that they never have to work, but they get a paycheck for four years.
These kinds of things are going on.
So there's going to be chaos for, I mean, chaotic events, clearly.
But after Trump gets in, it's funny you ask because I just did a podcast on this.
I said...
2025 and the next couple years are going to be at the same time the best years of people's lives if those people are red-pilled or the worst years of people's lives if they are gullible, obedient, slave-minded followers.
So my answer, Michael, is it's going to be, I guess, classically the best of times, the worst of times at the same time.
If your audience listening, if you are awake, if you understand what's going on, and we're scratching the surface here on a number of topics, but if you watch podcasts like this, you're going to have a great time because you're going to be able to outmaneuver You know, the bank collapses or the bail-ins or the rug pulls or whatever narratives are being pushed.
You're going to be able to outthink that.
You're not going to be suckered into the next pandemic.
You know, you will have the presence of mind to avoid the traps and do really well as sectors of the economy begin to recover under Trump with less regulation, lower cost domestic energy production, And similar issues.
If you're a gullible fool, it's going to be a horrible time for you.
And you might not even survive it.
Because you'll end up with no savings, no money, no property.
You'll own nothing and not be happy.
And you'll end up eating the bugs and jabbing the arms.
And, you know, you're just going to...
You're a physical and mental pincushion for the globalists, and life will suck for those people.
I always speak bluntly, Michael, but that's my take.
So you anticipate on Trump's watch things are going to...
Well, first of all, this chaos, this carousel is not going to stop.
I mean, I wish these things weren't happening, but on the same side of it, it provides a lot of opportunities for people like yourself and people like myself to continue to have these conversations.
I mean, I wasn't going to do anything between Christmas and New Year's, but something's going to happen.
Something's going to happen.
I have no interviews for that week.
Let's see how long it lasts, right?
Oh, you're trying to...
Yeah, I'm taking it off, too.
I'm trying to, like you, but just like you said, like the day after Christmas, there'll be some freaking hologram over New York City or something.
I'm like, what?
You know?
I'm supposed to fly back to Ohio.
Well, I am going to fly back to go see my mother in Ohio, but domestic flights are fine.
I think people that are leaving to go to Europe, in my opinion right now, to leave the country, I think you're nuts.
Did you freeze up on me?
Mike, you froze up on me.
I'm hearing you.
Oh, there you go.
There you go.
There you go.
I don't know if you heard what I said.
I said, I think people that leave in the country right now, I think you're nuts.
Yeah, I agree with you.
Yeah.
I would stay home for the next month, at least until Inauguration Day.
I would not want to be on the road.
Absolutely.
Would you want to be anywhere near the inauguration?
No.
Oh, no.
Hell no.
Somebody said to me, they're like, you should go there.
I'm like, you are out of your mind.
I don't even want to go to a concert or a stadium with 50,000 people in it.
You know, and it's funny because people like us are probably among the most capable of handling whatever weird things come up.
But we're also wise enough to not be in the middle of crisis events.
Like, you know, our common friend, Michael Jan, you talk to Michael.
How did you survive being a battlefield correspondent?
I would assume part of the answer is, don't put yourself in the middle of the gunfire.
Read the room.
Figure out where not to be.
But again, that takes knowledge.
And we live in a nation of uninformed, or really a world of uninformed masses, who really know very little about how the world around them operates.
And as a result, they're just kind of reacting or they're just bouncing off of whatever's happening.
And they don't really have strong goal-oriented behavior, like, let's get out of the way of a coming terror attack or a dirty bomb event, you know?
But people like us, we think strategically.
Like, before we walk into a place, we're like, Is that going to be a safe place to walk into?
How would I get out if I did walk into it?
That alleyway looks pretty sketchy.
Let's choose another route.
But these are survivor traits, I guess.
Check this out.
This is a new machete that I co-designed with Dawson Knives.
I was just talking about this before I had you on.
Dawson Knives in Prescott?
Yes!
Oh yeah, I did.
I did a podcast with him.
Oh, John, yeah.
John's a great guy.
He's amazing.
No, he's like third-generation knife makers.
And they made for me, this is amazing, this Magna Cut Windstorm sword, one of a kind in the world.
Took how many hours to grind the curves on this thing?
A two-handed Magna Cut corrosion-resistant, high Rockwell hardness, Razor sharp, holds an edge, you know, space-age alloy, windstorm.
Never needs reloading.
No magazines.
This is the kind of stuff I'm into, man.
Have you been to their place?
No, I've never toured their place, but I've been working with John Roy there for years on co-designing special tools.
You've got to go take a tour.
And if you do that, I only live 40 minutes from there.
Do you really?
Yeah, I've been there.
I did a podcast with him at his office.
This was five years ago.
Because I was watching...
Well, they've moved since then.
They have a much larger production.
Okay, then I haven't been...
This was even before COVID. Oh no, they moved like a year ago.
They've got all these CNC machines going for the primary cuts, you know, out of the MagnaCut steel plates, and then they do all the hand grinding that's like third generation.
They've been doing this since 1972, I think.
That's so funny.
Small World.
Because there's a guy who was on a show.
What the hell was the name of that show?
It was like Top Chef for knife cutting.
Oh, really?
Because they come up with these concepts, you know, and then they just apply it to different industries.
Yeah, yeah.
It's something blade and steel, or I can DM it to you after.
But anyway, that guy lives in Apache Junction, or he did.
Or Casa Grande.
Okay.
And he, yeah, so, but that's what led me to Dawson Nights.
Okay, so, well, I'll show you this then.
We designed a tomahawk, too, out of MagnaCut.
Also, like, G10 handle, the whole deal.
Like, this is the kind of stuff that I'm into, like, real-world use, because I live on a ranch in Texas.
And so I take this stuff out, and I work with it.
You know, I test it.
And then we make tweaks, we improve it.
We created a knife called Escape from L.A. It's a wedge.
The front edge is a wedge.
And it's also got a knife edge, so it's designed to pry open things that don't want to open when you're trapped in a city when the zombies come, right?
So that's what the knife...
It's called Escape from L.A. Well, you were talking about the zombies.
It reminded me of the movie, The Aliens, They Live.
Remember that movie?
Right, right.
Well, we're having that kind of a moment, aren't we?
Like, seeing through the illusions now.
Well, I was going to tell you, I know you're probably going to get going here in a minute, but I was going to say, I was trying to explain to these women here at the yoga studio I go to in Phoenix.
I was like, they park in this back alley.
There's no lights back there.
And it gets dark early.
And I said, I go, you know there's cartel in Phoenix?
They're like, there are?
And I'm just like...
This is what I'm talking about.
Blissfully unaware.
You can't be on red alert all the time.
Everywhere you go, you cannot be on DEF CON 1. But the lack of paying attention, that could get you killed.
Or just like you say, I mean...
Understand the world in which you're living.
Like, if you're living in Phoenix or Tucson, and you don't know that cartels are operating there, you know, come on.
I mean, what world are you living in?
I mean, we have a duty to understand what's happening.
Understand where your money comes from.
What is it?
It's not even money, by the way.
It's just currency.
It's not money, by definition.
Understand how laws are made.
Understand the basic structure of society around you.
Understand where your food comes from.
Understand how scientific evidence is actually funneled and shaped and manipulated and put into the medical journals that are sponsored by the drug companies.
If you don't know these things, you're not an adult.
You know, there's a lot of, like, 50-year-old children running around society today whose minds are like seven-year-olds in the way they work with society.
Oh, a lollipop, you know, and they're just distracted off in the distance.
I don't mean to sound insulting.
Perhaps sometimes I do, but I love humanity.
No, maybe we should, though.
I don't think we're insulting enough to these people, to be honest with you, because you know what?
I'm cutting you off.
They're more focused on abortion than they are about learning any of this stuff.
Absolutely.
No, it's like their value system is just, we just want to make sure we can kill our children.
It's like, well, have you ever thought about the future of human civilization and do you want to participate in that future?
No, Mike.
No, it's my right to choose.
As a woman, I should be able to decide.
You don't control my body.
Or a boy should be allowed in the girl's bathroom.
I mean, this is how dumbed down our society is.
I know.
I know.
Believe me.
And that's why I feel like this country deserves exactly what it's going to get.
Not everybody in it, but because of this type of...
People have taken it for granted.
They care more about their lattes.
I had a woman the other day.
She wouldn't move her yoga mat for somebody.
I'm like, you got to be kidding me.
You wouldn't.
She wouldn't do what?
She wouldn't move.
She wouldn't move it out of the way so this guy could fit in.
She goes, well, there's space over there.
She spent five minutes trying to explain to this guy he could go to the other side of the room rather than just to move.
And I'm just like.
Aren't you supposed to be polite in yoga?
yoga class.
But just move.
If somebody says move, no matter where I'm at, like, hey, do you mind if I...
Oh, okay, no problem.
But this is just another example to me to where we are.
Wow.
Well, you know, saying, hey, downward dog is supposed to be a pose, not an attitude, lady.
Let's say that next time.
Get with the program.
Where can people find you, Mike?
Okay.
I am, of course, I'm the founder of Brighteon.com.
My AI language model that we're releasing for free is at Brighteon.ai.
Sign up for it.
You'll be able to download it open source, March 1st.
It's called Enoch.
I'm the publisher of naturalnews.com.
And I do, like you, Michael, I do a lot of interviews and podcasts, and you can find those on Brighteon.com.
It's a free speech video platform.
Who's on the horizon?
It's the Brighteon logo here.
Who's next for your interview?
Well, actually, this is the last interview I'm doing until after the New Year, unless something crazy happens, yeah.
But in January, I've got Martin Armstrong lined up in just a long list of interviews.
I mean, I've got a bunch of people, of course.
I mean, you ever have that question, like...
When do you say no?
Because there's so many interesting people to talk to.
There's so much knowledge that's just begging to be unleashed in conversations like this.
I love to talk to smart people, and I can't say no, so I end up kind of overbooking.
Is there somebody that you want to talk to that's outside of this world, like outside of this space that you've never had the chance to?
I had two people on my dream list when I started this almost seven years ago.
And I was fortunate I got one in my fifth episode, but I haven't gotten the other one yet.
Well, I'm sure I could come up with that, but I think I... Although I'm not a worshipper of Elon Musk, his facility is not that far from my studio in Austin.
And I think that he and I can have a very intelligent conversation about many of these issues that we're talking about and about the future.
See, I think Elon is also a futurist.
And we need to think very deeply about where we're going because our civilization is at a critical pivot point.
And we may not do well if we don't make some really important decisions here soon.
Yeah, sure, I'd love to talk to Elon, but not for the reasons other people would.
Some people just want to talk to famous people because they're famous.
I want to talk to Elon because I want to know what he thinks about how we become an interplanetary species.
And are we going to take carbon dioxide to Mars?
Because we're pulling it out of our atmosphere.
I think they want to take it to Mars and drop it off in Mars and make an atmosphere there and then have colonies there so that we can survive a comet impact event, like an extinction-level event.
I'm pretty sure Elon and I are on the same page on that thought, but who knows?
I guess we'll see.
I want to ask J.D. Vance how he met Peter Thiel, how that relationship developed, because I've never heard that.
How he met Peter Thiel?
Yeah.
How do you meet Peter Thiel in law school?
That's what I've read.
Oh, I don't...
Yeah, but I've never heard...
I want to ask him that.
It's the only thing I want to ask him.
I think the way it works is Peter Thiel meets you if he wants to.
Like, he just shows up So you don't think he was walking through the student center and JD Vance was sitting there eating Subway or something and Peter Thiel walked through?
I think Peter Thiel sits down with his quantum computer looking glass and reads the future and decides who he wants to meet because they're going to do something interesting.
That's probably how that works, is my guess.
Multidimensional crystal ball, you know?
Mike, thanks so much for doing this.
Great to meet you in person.
Thank you for everything you're doing.
And Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and I look forward to more conversations ahead.