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Dec. 13, 2024 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Dr. Peter Breggin joins Mike Adams for stunning interview on VACCINES causing LOBOTOMIES...
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Welcome to today's interview here on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon, and today we have a very special returning guest, Dr. Peter Bregan, who is a published scientist, author of many books.
He's got his website, bregan.com, and also a Substack page here with his wife, Ginger, and it's Dr. Peter and Ginger Bregan, or Ginger Bregan is the Substack name.
You can check that out.
And today we are talking about the next pandemic.
We're talking about preparedness and survival because Dr. Bregan has been featured in an upcoming Brighton University docuseries about survival and preparedness.
And I'll tell you more about that later.
But welcome to the show, Dr. Peter Bregan.
Great to have you on.
Well, it's a delight to be here.
You know, I have been talking together on and off for decades.
We go back quite a ways.
I think you were helping me to a degree in my campaigns against, I'm a psychiatrist, folks, my campaigns against psychiatric drugs and electroshock.
And I think I somewhere probably on your substack have stuff from a couple decades ago.
Yeah, that's true, and it's worth noting, just reminding our audience, that you were the leading voice opposing electroshock therapy, and you really helped blow the whistle and expose that back in the day when it was considered a conspiracy theory to even propose that that was going on.
Yes.
My, how times have changed, huh?
I organized a conspiracy of my own to actually shut down most of the lobotomies that were going on, which are mutilating the front of the brain, boring holes in it, swishing instruments around in your brain and doing terrible things.
And in those days, you could work with Congress, you could work with the Senate.
I actually wrote legislation for various people on the left and the right, then a coalition.
To stop these operations on mostly women and some children.
And there was an egregious project going on against the Black American children.
University of Mississippi in Jackson.
Putting electrodes in their heads.
And that's basically how I got started.
When the profession started to push lobotomy again, I said, I'm getting off my chair.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, good for you.
And it also sort of harkens back to the Fauci research on young black boys in particular and some of the AIDS related shenanigans, shall we say, in medicine, which was kind of a precursor to the COVID fraud. which was kind of a precursor to the COVID fraud.
And Fauci has had his hands in that since, what, the late 1980s, I believe?
Fauci and I almost crossed paths.
We're about the same age.
I was a lieutenant commander or captain at the National Institute of Mental Health.
I was in the public health service for a couple of years.
And I You know, it was pretty interesting.
You didn't have to work hard.
You could have good ideas on your own as long as you didn't announce them too loud.
But I realized that NIMH was really coming under the control of the drug companies.
So I decided I didn't want to go into private practice particularly, but I thought I'd just go into private practice, which I turned out to love.
That was God's hand.
And Fauci, I'm sure, saw the same thing.
He was about one year earlier than me, I think.
He saw the same thing and he said, drug companies taking over?
Wow, this is great.
I'm going to work with the drug companies.
And I think that that was like the two turning points of two people trained in a somewhat similar environment at a similar time.
Absolutely.
Aren't you glad now you didn't go down the path of Fauci?
You have your soul, you know.
Fauci's soul is gone.
It's gone.
It's a dreadful sellout of himself.
And a sellout of the nation.
It's going to be interesting to see.
Do you think that Joe Biden will give Fauci a pardon before Biden leaves office?
I think they're going to do everything they can.
And they're probably doing things underneath we can't even imagine.
I said to you as we were chatting, their show started, Evil Never Sleeps.
And yes, they will do anything they can get away with.
One of my main concerns is, does Trump yet understand how evil people can be?
Because I'm a big concern that he is putting in some people who look pretty good, I have some admiration from, but They're from Stanford, one's from Johns Hopkins.
I don't think he understands that those are dens of actual evil so that you might be able to come and oppose a little bit of this or that or make this or that good statement to the public, sign a good petition.
But if they don't throw you out of Stanford and throw you out of Hopkins, something very strange is going on because the good people get extruded real early.
I mean, We saw that with, really, most of our leaders who were in an establishment position, lost their positions.
So I'm still a little concerned that he doesn't get just how much the institutions are permeated with the morality, really.
That's a really important point, and I think I know exactly what you mean in that statement.
I think that if you aren't hated by the medical establishment, You're not somebody that we want in the Trump administration.
So, for example, look at how they're attacking RFK Jr., Which to me is a really positive sign.
That shows me that he's going to do some good at HHS. We may not agree with every single thing, but that's okay.
He's very much aware of the corruption and the fraud and the problems.
And even Trump recently just said he's going to look into the link between vaccines and autism.
And you and I have known...
For decades that, of course, vaccines cause autism.
That's- Well, you know, I have a slightly different take on it.
I don't want to go into it in depth, but I think the real issue is that vaccines cause generalized brain damage of every kind you can imagine.
There you go.
And I'd rather be saying that than it causes autism, which is kind of a unique, exotic situation.
The drug companies almost like that idea in some ways because then they can say, oh, we have no evidence for autism.
The evidence for just every sort of brain injury, I mean, you get the shot, you get a fever, you get seizures, you get a headache, maybe you'll collapse some of the kids.
Then you get encephalitis, you get an inflammation of the brain, and then you get encephalopathy.
These are the words in the literature that I researched, interestingly enough, just before COVID. My research was published in 2021, but I I finished it just before COVID. And encephalopathy is a term used to describe almost any kind of serious injury to the brain.
So I think the really big thing to be looking at is that Any of these things that are crossing the blood-brain barrier or otherwise getting near our brains indirectly or directly have potential harm to do harm everything from IQ on up to giving you symptoms of autism.
So I prefer to look at Just how broadly deadly these things are.
I think you're right.
It's a nuance.
I'm really glad for you to offer that clarification, that reframing, because I think you're absolutely right.
And it's especially relevant since you came out of the era of blowing the whistle on lobotomies done through electronics, essentially, or physical means.
But now, lobotomies are done through vaccinations.
Yeah.
I mean, not exactly the same thing.
You know, it really is right.
I mean, this is what I'm actually thinking about, and it goes to the heart.
The vaccines harm the brain in general ways.
They are, I mean, first of all, they kill people.
Let's start with that.
I did an assessment of the reports on the vaccines that came into the CDC and FDA's recording system.
And within the first three years, we had 20,000 reports of deaths while the CDC and FDA found no reports of death.
They had Thank you.
And the fact is that under ordinary circumstances, and we have research on this, if you get a report of one disaster, it probably indicates about 100 that didn't get reported.
Docs don't know how to report.
They don't want to report.
They don't want to get in trouble.
So if you just start with that, one in a hundred, the 20,000 is 2 million deaths.
But that's not enough because for the first time in history, doctors were told not to report anything.
American doctors were told if they even said something to their patients in California, they might get thrown out of the medical society, out of the medical community.
So people were terrified, especially health care providers, to say a word to anybody.
Yet 20,000 in the first two years, two and a half years, reported deaths.
We have had a plague of deaths from the vaccines, the size of which I think we can't really grasp as yet.
So we should start out with that.
And at the same time, when you're affecting the heart and inflaming the heart, inflaming other organs, you're going to be inflaming the brain too.
And when you get spikes producing destruction of small blood vessels, In the body, these spikes are doing it in the brain as well.
So you're going to get small hemorrhages that you might not even pick up on an MRI. And then you're going to be getting the allergic reactions inside the brain by putting the allergens into the brain.
The antigens that go right in the brain.
It's just, I smile because it's so bizarre.
To talk about it adequately is enraging.
It's such a concerted effort to harm and to kill people and good estimates now from people like Ed Dowd and his group estimate that at least 1.5 million Americans were killed following the vaccines and many millions more were maimed and at the same time It looks like the establishment is gearing up for another pandemic or plandemic and that they will push people into another
wave of new vaccines.
And we have the head of, I think it was Pfizer, who said that all the flu shots are going to go into mRNA.
So let me plug the event that's coming up here at Brighton University or brightu.com.
It's called The Next Pandemic, Preparedness and Survival, and it features Dr. Peter Bregan and many other top guests like Dr. Lee Merritt and so on.
We're featured in this.
It begins streaming on December 21st.
It's free to watch.
You can also optionally purchase the entire download of the course, which helps support the filmmakers and this platform so we can keep the lights on here.
But that's coming up.
You don't want to miss that.
Dr. Bregan is interviewed separately for that program.
But just here, Dr. Bregan, I know you watch the news and you see that they're starting to push...
Well, like the USDA is saying, we have to test bird flu and all the milk now across America.
That seems crazy, knowing the PCR test fallibility.
But we're starting to see scary stories out of Africa now about new pandemics.
And it just seems like this is a repeat of what we saw in late 2019 or early 2020. What are your thoughts about the hyping up of the next pandemic?
Well, the vaccines have been the cutting edge of oppression now ever since 2020 in the world.
I mean, this was a weapon of destruction and the US got hit the hardest.
We had While we're saying no deaths, officially, we have had, you know, I believe more than any, I believe Merritt's fabulous.
My estimate's considerably higher than theirs because I think it's two million with absolute certainty has to be that, but it's probably a few million more.
It's being used as a weapon of terror and of harm.
One of the things, Mike, that if you'd asked me about 10 years ago, I would have, you know, that's ridiculous.
But part of the globalist energies now, the attempt to run the whole globe, which we can talk about if we have a little more time, One of their big goals is to scare everybody and to depopulate as much as possible.
They really want depopulate.
They've been talking about that since Malthus in the 1600s.
This goes way back.
And it's always been a goal of those who seek power and get power that they want fewer people to deal with.
Hitler has murdered millions of their own citizens along the way.
You know, Hitler didn't just murder Jews.
I'm Jewish.
He murdered 6 million of us.
He murdered about 20 million people who were not combatants, who were just civilians.
Probably more than Hitler.
Mao, up to 100 million people of his own murdered.
So people who want power and get power.
It's no different with Xi Jinping.
It's no different with Bill Gates.
It's no different with Klaus Schwab.
All these characters who want to be in charge actually hate human beings.
They want fewer of us.
They want us more under control.
And what better way than to scare the heck out of us and along the way, weaken many of us and make America the target?
Because ever since we came to life as the United States of America, how did we do it?
We had to defeat the British Empire with the help of the French Empire, which soon dissolved.
It was dissolved by another revolution.
All the world since we became the United States of America was run by totalitarians and they've been trying to destroy us ever since.
And we've made some inroads.
We've spread some democracies.
And then before we know it, this may get into a little too much, but before we even knew it, our presidents were becoming globalists desiring to run the world.
They disobeyed Washington saying, no foreign entanglements, take care of ourselves.
He was the most America first president we ever had until Donald Trump was George Washington.
His farewell speech is all up.
You can just look Google farewell speech or look at one of my recent columns about this.
So all of our leaders started getting in on this, not just Obama, but the Bushes and, you know, Bubba before him and his wife.
They all wanted this powerful interactions with the world and less and less were they defending America.
And so while they wanted to kind of run the world, it was really the world and not America.
That morphed into we really need to destroy America to really open up the globe.
And so you finally have people like Obama apologizing for America.
You get people finally, you know, these shimerical half human beings, Joe and Kamala.
And the country's so undermined, they actually vote in two highly not-functioning people to represent the globalists.
And they want to run the world, but they hate America.
And that's amazing.
So we have a nation now which was kind of moving toward being the Rome of the world, the new global nation now.
And then they really, they said, no, that's not what we want.
America, we don't want a strong America.
We want to be strong as global governance.
Well, if you're a globalist and you're trying to achieve depopulation and to weaken or destroy the United States of America as it exists, yes, a pandemic and scaring people into being injected with basically vaccine euthanasia, that's one method, right?
But since COVID, a lot of people have awakened to this scam.
Not everybody.
There's still plenty of people who line up and take the jabs, even people that still wear masks to this day, which is completely insane.
But, Peter, it seems like they're going to use other vectors on top of vaccines because now they, seems to me like there's a sense of desperation among the globalists for whatever reason.
I don't know what's pushing their timeline.
But it seems to me like they could, they're pushing famine.
Clearly this USDA effort to test the milk supply is designed to destroy the milk supply.
They're pushing war, you know, all over the globe, lots of wars.
Some of them could result in Russia retaliation against America, nuclear weapons, nuclear false flag, cyber attacks from, you know, North Korea or Iran or China, taking down the power grid, you know, whatever the case may be.
Financial systems collapse.
These things would also result in a very high fatality rate in the United States and it would destabilize America.
And I do have a question for you, but it seems to me like they're just waiting for Trump to be sworn in to then unleash mass destabilization.
So in your experience and view, which is exceptional, you have a big picture view, what do you think the globalists will have in store for us and for Trump in 2025?
Well, I think one of the things that's being overlooked, not by you, but by most people, is that the UN, United Nations, managed a couple of months ago to set up the General Assembly to pass by not negating, that is, there were no objections, they got intimidated, to pass now A global legalized form of governance.
The UN has created pacts with every nation because no nation objected.
It was consensus.
And it was very cleverly done to make it very easy for the countries to just do it and not really even have to vote much except no objection verbally from the court.
It was quite bizarre.
So now we have international law that says there is a world governance.
So those of you who think what I'm saying is really way out and really beyond conspiracy theory, the pacts that have been signed, you can just Google the pacts or again, look at our website and search it, you'll find them.
And these pacts specify that in any threat, any shock, any potential threat or shock that would affect more than one nation or might affect more than one nation, The United Nations must take over and be in charge.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
That's crazy.
That has just been adopted by all the members?
Yeah, oh my gosh, yeah.
A few months ago, I wouldn't have caught...
See, we all have so many things to do.
I happen to be looking at the United Nations.
You see, it started with, you know, that they were going to have us all sign treaties.
Right, I remember that.
Through the World Health Organization.
And then it turned out, well, we weren't just going to do treaties, we were going to modify their rules so that they would have more power under their rules.
But what they did undercover was to, at the last convention, which I think was September, it's quite recent, October, September, they finally came out With another whole line they'd be involved in,
which we were also writing about, which was never mind the WHO, the UN, the whole UN needs to move in, the Blue Hats, the Army, let's get the whole thing going, the World Bank, everybody else affiliated with the UN, let's get them involved and step beyond the WHO. And so Guterres,
who is a communist thug, just like the head of the WHO is a communist thug, working with communist China, They created the idea that the UN should have an emergency platform whereby it could marshal and organize and control and even go into business with all the world in order to properly handle any shock.
And in these write-ups, Guterres even used the popular term, the black swan event.
That is an event you can't possibly predict.
So any event it became.
And it was written up like that.
It moved through a few stages.
And then what they gave to the UN was even different than that when it got together for the annual meeting of the General Assembly was a pact with the UN based on this emergency platform Whereby the UN would be the key through, and they use the word several times, global governance to manage these events.
Well, let me add, I mean, that's terrifying, but any entity that is granted special powers during an emergency will always find a way to keep creating emergencies.
I mean, they created COVID. They pushed it.
It was a fabricated pandemic in many ways.
I'm not implying that people didn't die or whatever, but what I'm saying is it was engineered.
It was scripted, right?
Yes.
And they can script emergency events.
They can create crises.
They do it all the time.
Anything now.
They have carte blanche under the new...
That's right.
By the way, you know Alex Newman real well, I imagine.
Yes.
And he, I want to give him credit, because I'm talking like I did this all by myself.
Actually, Alex Newman went to the meetings.
He's been at their meetings around the world.
He was at their recent meeting in New York City and at the General Assembly.
So I want to just say here's another great resource on this.
Okay, yeah, absolutely.
Alex Newman does great work.
And we have a lot of really outspoken people now that are waking up, too.
Like, you and I even couldn't have had this conversation five years ago without being, you know, practically arrested, right?
I mean, things are changing dramatically.
So there seems to be a mad rush by the globalists to achieve their goals before the stresses awaken.
I think that's probably right, Mike.
Yeah.
And this awakening is accelerating, and no longer do the people have trust in these institutions of control.
So Western, quote, democracy is based on people trusting health authorities, trusting the science, trusting the media, trusting elections, trusting the justice system.
All of that trust has been shattered.
It's gone among most people.
So that means that this system of governance cannot function sustainably without some way to restore public faith or tearing it down and replacing it with something different or maybe tearing it down and replacing it with a decentralized system, which might be even better.
But Are we at the verge of some historic moment, some historic recalibration of how human societies are going to be structured?
I think there's absolutely no doubt about it.
If you go back into ancient times, you can see the roots of it, because as soon as we became civilized and started living in villages and towns, local bullies began setting up tribes, and they were setting up Nations and then they set up monarchies, kingdoms, empires.
And I like to point out, that's what we were doing in World War II, fighting several empires.
That's what we were doing when we got our freedom from Great Britain, fighting empires.
But now the empires have technology.
In the past they wanted to rule the world.
Great Britain wanted to rule the world.
They had a worldwide Orders from God, as far as they were concerned, to run the world, and they tried their best.
Now we have technologies where the known world is entirely known.
So it's not like, oh boy, I can't see over the horizon anymore or my ships will run out of food if I send them off.
Now we have ways to organize delivery of goods and weapons worldwide in matters of hours and days.
We have banking systems that are interlocking, associated with the UN, associated with our Fed, or very interlocking banking system.
We have instantaneous communications, we have international global organizations of all kinds in health, in every area you can imagine is organized on a global level in some way or another.
And then we have in this country, we have the deep state, which is very global in its orientation.
It comes out of progressivism and communism and all the years they've been working to take over the government, the deep state.
And the deep state yearns to be a leader of globalism.
It's really what the DOD wanted to do.
People don't know much, Mike, but the DOD was in charge of the entire government.
Use of the vaccines.
Yes, that's right.
Operation Warp Speed.
It didn't come out on the stationery.
Donald Trump talks like it was on his stationery.
It was put out on DOD stationery.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, and you bring up a really important point.
Let me ask you about Donald Trump.
But first, let me plug your website one more time at Substack.
It's the Dr. Peter and Ginger Bregan, B-R-E-G-G-I-N. That's the Substack channel that you want to follow.
And the username there is just at...
Everything's free.
Ginger Bregan.
Yeah, it's all free.
Yes, you're publishing a lot on Substack.
Great stuff.
Gosh, I need to start publishing more of the tweet-oriented content on Substack, too.
It's become a really great platform, so great job there.
But Donald Trump has...
Really doubled down or tripled down on Operation Warp Speed.
Now, it's interesting because he's saying...
He's noticed that.
I don't think too many people have noticed that.
Yes.
No, I've been calling him out on that for years.
But he's also willing...
I mean, he's supported RFK Jr. for HHS. That's really positive, I think.
He's talked about publicly investigating links between vaccines and autism.
That's a start.
But then he says, well, Operation Warp Speed saved millions of lives, and it was the greatest thing ever.
So it's like, how do you reconcile this in Trump's mind?
Yeah, he said this.
I was shocked when I saw this.
What you just said, I remember he said that when he was in that...
That woman to be the head, to be the Surgeon General, who was a bad pick.
I guess she's gone.
And he said just that, folks, in his introduction of her.
He said he'd save millions of lives with warp speed.
First of all, he had almost nothing to do with warp speed.
Warp speed began to be invented and developed a decade earlier.
When Bill Gates announced the decade of the vaccine.
He announced the decade of the vaccine.
He announced it at the WEF. He had involved the largest philanthropic organization supporting him.
He had the future King of England supporting him, I think.
That whole development took place.
In our book, COVID-19 and the Global Predators, we show the master plan that Gates developed.
He delivered it to the WHO via a PowerPoint presentation.
I happened to stumble on it at the middle of the night in the archives of the WHO. And then we found the actual business plan.
It's all in the book, in our book.
Which Bobby Kennedy, by the way, says is the deepest dive into the global predators.
He was very generous in saying that when his own great book, The Real Anthony Fauci, came out.
So we had laid out the whole plan that was being evolved by billionaires supported by the communist Chinese as well and working through WHO and working through the UN and working through the banks, anybody they can get their hands on.
And by the time That the virus was released.
I think it was purposely released from the Wuhan Institute.
By the time they did that, in order to destroy, if they could, Every time they did it, because they had to get into the Trump administration to really screw the nation up.
And they completely confused Trump.
But he had all these people around him who were globalists.
Some of the good people near him couldn't get to see him.
And we've got, you know, a lot of people have talked about that.
Trump got this, he was just hyped up.
He's not a scientist.
He couldn't know instantly, apparently, that anybody who said I am science is a dictator, not a scientist like Fauci.
I guess he didn't have the sophistication or he couldn't see the depth of evil.
That's the concern.
I want somebody to take Donald Trump by the elbow who loves him and he trusts and says, Donald, you know, You were never in politics.
I don't think you ever got to see just how evil these people are.
We got to stay away from universities.
We got to stay away from the big doctors.
If a doctor is respected, we can't use him.
Yeah, I'm really glad you pointed that out.
And philosophically, I've had this same kind of discussion about the failure of people to recognize evil.
And I've said it's a spectrum.
Some people fail to recognize the good in others, right?
They see all people as bad.
But the far more dangerous phenomenon is to fail to see the evil to which other people are capable of.
Ideas of depopulation, for example, right?
Extreme evil.
And at least it used to be, if you even suggested depopulation, that there are globalist entities that want to kill billions of human beings.
That was considered, oh, a crazy conspiracy theory.
Now, not so much.
It's understood that that is the desire.
Especially as we have...
In fact, I want to ask you about the rise of AI systems and robotic systems Elon Musk, humanoid robots, he just put out a new update, some new videos, but China's way ahead and also military-linked US robotics types of companies are way ahead of anything that Elon Musk has put out, by the way.
NVIDIA is running a digital world simulator system so that robots can virtually practice their skills, like their killing skills inside the virtual simulator, and then they can upload those to the real robots.
In this world where humanoid robots can do surgery, they can pick strawberries, they can restock warehouses, they can do Amazon fulfillment, they can drive trucks, they can drive taxis, whatever, they can fly planes, they can be soldiers...
The globalists don't need most humans.
What are your thoughts on that?
Well, I have no doubt about it.
Because, you know, I'm not afraid of robots taking over the world or AI taking over the world because they are, after all, simply code written by people.
And so I would think that the people who were writing code could at one time or another find another way around a robot that was moving toward being a human.
You know, it starts with somebody jotting notes on a piece of paper about what his latest idea is for making a robot, maybe, and then he goes computer, and then he goes here or there.
But they are representations of human thinking.
But they give tremendous power over other people.
They can be organized to mimic them.
They can make it so we can't tell whether it's Peter Bregan talking or not on the air.
Although it would be really hard to mimic this aging face, I suppose.
Maybe a fresh younger face like yours.
They could do more easily, Mike.
No, believe me, they will mimic what we look like.
I think the hard part for AI systems is to mimic how we think, because people like you and I, Peter, we are such original, spontaneous thinkers.
That's difficult for automated systems.
Yeah, I think that they can't do it.
They can simulate it because they're simply working with the tools we give them, whereas we have free will.
We can actually make jumps into different places to think about things differently, or we can gain inspirations that seem to come from almost nowhere and just continue doing it.
It's a different origin.
God breathes life into us.
We don't breathe life into computers.
We give them our programs.
We should be able to control them and interfere with them, I would say.
The transhumanists believe they think there is no God and that they can merge with silicon and that they can achieve immortality by becoming machines.
I mean, that's a cult.
That's some kind of delusional cult right there.
I think that when you deny the existence of human beings, you enter into craziness.
My own concepts of what is psychosis?
What is it when you're trying to help somebody who is actually hallucinating and seeing things that aren't there, having thoughts which clearly don't mimic the reality in the simplest form about maybe, who are you?
You're this and you're not.
You're somebody else and so on.
Somebody who loses reality, what that is is you lose touch with relationship to human beings.
And the ultimate, like, it was really going far, far flung, but it's all about the same big story.
The opposite of that is love.
When you take joy, my idea of love is it's a joyful awareness of other human beings or God or your work or nature or your favorite dog.
I mean, love can spring up toward anything in existence, including art that people create.
And when you lose touch with the joy and the interest in being human and knowing human creations, knowing God's creation, that's when you lose reality.
It's not like people lose reality because they don't understand how to make a chair, but they lose reality when they can't tell the difference between a chair and a person in the extreme.
And that happens.
Where people lose the sense of what other human beings are and they live in a mechanical world.
That's a really good point.
Even though we research and build language models using AI technology in-house, and we recently rolled them out internally in our company, And I even publicly said, we did not fire a single person.
What we did is we trained our employees.
We gave them online courses.
We brought them in, gave them best practices, taught them how to use these tools to amplify their intentions, their writing, their art, their research, and so on.
So the human side is critical.
And I think the only moral and ethical way to use these tools is to It allows human beings to obviously continue to be the ones calling the shots, to be in charge.
Obviously, we always use technology to enhance our intentions or our productivity, but the danger zone, in my opinion, is when you start replacing.
You say, we don't need people.
All we need are these microchips to do all these tasks.
That's where things start getting very dangerous, and that's how you end up at Skynet.
Yeah, I think that's absolutely right.
And really, all the concepts they have to oppress us with us don't have validity.
I mean, the world, in terms of being populated, is quite empty.
I mean, drive across the United States.
Imagine driving across Russia or China.
The world is anything but overpopulated.
But if we were to use AI and other modern technology to enhance the capability of human beings, then ordinary human beings could be much more productive than they are.
I mean, plumbers could use robots, too.
So could the people working in your backyard use robots?
Human beings who do the trades now could be organizers of robots.
We can grow.
It's not like we have to get rid of the human beings to grow.
Instead, we give the power to all human beings to grow as much as they can, which is what hopefully we try to do now.
But it can't be done on the global level because all global organizations are dangerous.
All large organizations are dangerous.
We've got to stay at least as small as the nation state.
That's where America first comes.
Centralization of power is a grave danger to human civilization, just like you mentioned the United Nations or the WHO or even the very existence of the CDC, in my opinion, is a danger to humanity.
I think the CDC should be completely gutted all of it.
I think the government should not fund scientific research because then it controls it and it pushes climate change narratives or COVID narratives.
The NIH, as far as I'm concerned, what it does should be gone.
And how would scientific research be funded?
Well, guess what?
All kinds of Non-profits and universities and commercial interests that will fund research, and then it'll be decentralized.
You'll have different views instead of one, you know, obedience test.
Because today's science journals, and I know you're very familiar with science journals, it's changed over the years.
It used to be more open.
You could have debates.
You could read debates.
Today, oh, it's obedience.
If you don't follow this line, you don't get published, right?
Yeah.
I can give you so many examples of that actually from my own career, but one of my very first publications, 1972. Wow.
68. No, 1968, I think.
Somewhere right around there.
As I said, I got out of medical schools from things I've been thinking about.
And I had worked in a mental hospital.
It was supposed to be an open hospital where you didn't coerce anybody.
And I wrote a paper about how all psychiatric institutions are inherently coercive.
And it actually got published in an AMA journal, the AMA Journal of Psychiatry.
Amazing.
I couldn't give a talk like that in a medical school around the country today.
Right, right.
The control is so incredible.
Things have changed so much, and I regret that we're almost out of time, Dr. Bregan, but let me give out your website here.
Bregan.com also is another place that people can find your work and get links to everything.
That's B-R-E-G-G-I-N.com, Bregan.com.
And then Dr. Bregan is featured in this upcoming course.
It begins streaming December 21st.
I got two presentations in it, Mike, with Heather.
Oh, that's perfect.
She's wonderful.
Can I give her a plug?
Yeah, absolutely.
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And Dr. Bregan, gosh, I really want to ask you, we don't have much time left, but I want to ask you about this, the shooter or alleged shooter of the CEO of UnitedHealth, This alleged shooter has been arrested and allegedly, if you believe the media, he had a manifesto and he was angry about poor healthcare treatment for his relatives, etc.
You have a background in psychiatry, obviously, and mental health.
What's your take on that?
Actually, I have a specialty in this area because of my critique of drugs.
I have been an expert for cases involving Columbine, theater shooting, and also in Colorado, and a number of others.
So I actually have a huge resume in this kind of issue.
But what strikes me is we have a poster boy for liberal education.
This is what I think we may be looking at.
Here's a young man.
He goes to a good private school.
What is that going to be like?
That will be interesting to see what its politics are.
He then goes on to the University of Pennsylvania.
A very sophisticated Ivy League school.
He was also a valedictorian at his high school.
I remember the valedictorian just below me In high school, became a Marxist.
That's how far back, and he went to Harvard.
He went the year before me, I went to the year after him.
But he became a Marxist professor.
So we're looking at it, and he's wealthy, and he's in Maryland.
Maryland is one of the most bizarrely liberal states we have, progressive states we have.
And NIMH is there, NIH is there, Johns Hopkins is there, and Baltimore, of course.
So I think we may be looking at what happens to a young man who grows up in a world that hates white, where the teachers are making white boys in particular feel impotent and bad.
Actually, make them feel bad, not impotent.
So they want him to feel guilty.
So you're bad.
You're part of this horrible, oppressive system.
You don't deserve what you've got.
If your family's rich, you've got it from slaves one way or another.
You've got it from a rich family.
And teaching them they can't be men really like men.
They've got to be something else.
What is it?
A boy, a girl, or whatever else it is.
So you think he's a product of his liberal indoctrination?
That's what I'm trying to get.
I think we're going to find that this is a horror story of what happens to young men in our country.
Now, we know he's had some difficult surgeries.
He's got three spikes in his back, according to something I saw this morning provided by Ginger to me.
And so he's been through some very painful surgeries.
And back surgery is notoriously dangerous.
Notoriously so.
And you've got to try everything you can before you let anybody put a knife near your back.
Okay, Dr. Brigham, we need to wrap it up here.
I apologize.
Okay.
This has been great, Mike.
Yeah, this has been great.
I'd love to have you back soon because you and I really have some of the best conversations.
We've got a lot more territory to cover.
But let's regroup soon, maybe before Trump gets sworn in or soon after that.
I would love to.
Let's do that and let's try to get a new take.
Get in touch with us.
Ginger will arrange something with you.
Give Ginger our blessings as well.
Thank you, Ginger, for all that you do.
And the website on Substack is the Dr. Peter and Ginger Bregan.
And that is Ginger Bregan is the username there.
And folks, be sure to join that at Substack.
All the content there on his channel is free of charge.
Thank you, Dr. Bregan.
It's been a pleasure speaking with you today.
Mike, thank you so, so much.
All right.
Take care.
And thank all of you for watching today.
Just a wonderful conversation again with Dr. Peter Bregan, who is featured twice in the upcoming stream at brightu.com.
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