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Nov. 22, 2024 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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The most BANNED interview guest in the world: Germar Rudolf reveals shocking questions about Holocau
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Welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
And today we have a really interesting conversation for you because we're about to be joined by Germar Rudolph, who is the author of the Holocaust Encyclopedia.
And he, by the way, that website is holocaustencyclopedia.com.
And he has meticulously, he says, documented over three decades facts and details about the Holocaust that question the official narrative.
Now, all of you watching this, you and I, we grew up and we were told that we can never question, frankly, anything.
We can't question the Holocaust for sure.
And we're not allowed to question vaccines.
We're not allowed to question the science.
And we're not allowed to read this.
You can't go to that website.
And censorship has been in effect for all this time.
But what have we all learned?
That when they don't want you to read something, often there's a reason.
Why?
When they don't want you to question something, often it's because the official narrative is pretty flimsy.
And so we're going to find out today with our guest, Germar Rudolph, who actually was, he did serve time in jail for speech.
He's one of the many people who has been persecuted for his speech.
But he joins us today, and Mr. Rudolph, thank you for your time and joining us today.
We appreciate you and your research, and I'm going to ask you some tough questions here as well, but we appreciate your time.
Thank you for having me on your show.
Well, let's just jump right in.
So, let's suppose that I'm a typical Christian American, and I have been indoctrinated my entire life with 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust, and they were gassed, and they were You know, killed in all these different various ways.
And I just accept that, right?
I've never thought about the mechanisms or how could that happen or is the number accurate?
What would you say to somebody like me who has just bought that narrative our entire lives?
What would be your opening line to someone like me to say maybe you should take another look at the claims?
Well, I would start out by saying I was at the same spot.
When I was in my mid-20s, late 20s, I had been raised in Germany as a German citizen from toddler's age, so to say, to believe in the official narrative, and it would never have crossed my mind to doubt it.
In fact, doubting the official narrative makes you think You are getting close to positions that are generally referred to as neo-Nazi, right-wing extremists, anti-Semitism, and that kind of stuff.
And you don't want to be anywhere close to it, so you have kind of this Polovian reflex of rejecting anything that's coming from that corner.
And I was on the very same spot, and I understand that.
This is a normal reaction.
That's how we are raised in this society.
But on the other hand, I must also say, I was raised in my school By my teachers, progressive, liberal teachers, to always question authority.
It's a lesson that Germans particularly learn after the Third Reich when authority was not questioned by the majority of the people.
To question, to be skeptical, and to do your own research and not take things at face value, particularly when the government tries to force-feed you.
And that's what I started learning, that the German government was introducing laws that was banning any view that was running counter to the official narrative.
Now, initially, I wasn't too worried about that because, you know, I was not one of those who were skeptical about the Holocaust, so why would I worry?
but I was a little worried that in general laws were used to suppress any kind of speech.
Now, Guillermo, I apologize for the interruption, but let me just bring in some present-day news, just breaking news in the last 24 hours.
It's being reported that hundreds of German citizens are being visited by police based on their social media posts, including posts that this German woman leader is a fat pig, a fat socialist pig, which is probably true, by the way, but...
But they're being visited in their homes.
Now, as an American, hey, we say that all the time to each other, to our politicians, to our celebrities.
The insults fly, but also sometimes the positive news flies around, too.
We believe in free speech.
We are astonished as Americans that police could come to your door and Based on some flippant insult that you posted on social media about a present-day politician.
But that seems very congruent with what you're describing right now.
Well, yeah, German's tradition of free speech is not very strong, to put it mildly.
Frederick the Great was the first to formally introduce hate speech laws in the 1700s, late 1700s, when he had mass immigration of Western Europeans, Huguenots from France and so forth, and the local Prussian population didn't like it.
And in order to stem the protests and the unrest that was caused, he introduced hate speech laws that banned Prussian citizens from criticizing Or polemicising against those immigrants.
Nothing has changed in the 300 years since.
As a matter of fact, there were ups and downs, but censorship has been a part of a German legislature, no matter what system.
And it's true today.
You don't even have to merely insult someone.
I have been in prison for scientific work.
Actually, I started out, and that's how I got into it, started out doing forensic research as a chemist into the question of whether or not the Poison gas that was claimed to have been used at the Auschwitz concentration camp could have left any traces that would be stable enough for them to be detected still today.
That issue was raised by an American expert for execution technologies in the late 1980s, but he was not a chemist and he addressed it not in a way that I, back then working on my PhD, just having finished my master's degree, that I could accept as a thorough enough.
So I went out and tried to verify that report that claimed, well, he took masery samples from the ruins of the claimed homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz, looked for remnants of chemical products that should have formed when the walls were exposed to that can be, but he didn't find anything.
Therefore, that was one of the reasons In addition to many other architectural engineering reasons for him to conclude those mass gassings at Auschwitz.
And also my dynamic, a different camp, couldn't have taken place.
That threw me off as a chemist.
Before it was just history.
I was not an expert at history and I didn't feel competent to mess with this.
But that was putting just a doubt in my mind.
And at the same time, I felt guilty.
I ended up doing my research being then persecuted for that forensic research.
I've made sure in my research that I don't mention Jews even by name.
The word Jew doesn't, if somebody's claimed to have been guessed, it was persons, individuals.
Anyway, I was doing science, chemistry, and still ended up being sentenced to 14 months in prison.
So let me stop you right there, too.
I'm sorry to interject, but we have a lot in common here, perhaps more than you know.
I run a mass spec food science laboratory, and we test foods for heavy metals and glyphosate and pesticides.
So I'm very familiar with mass spectroscopy.
or spectrometry in the case of ICP-MS.
And we did a documentary with a scientist named Dr. David Lewis, who was a former EPA scientist who exposed the biosludge that's being spread on farms across America.
Biosludge is just human sewage that's just called fertilizer, and they spread it on the farms.
Well, Dr. David Lewis was persecuted in the United States.
He had government agents come to his house at four o'clock in the morning, pull him out of bed and threaten him if he didn't stop what he was doing.
And then they defunded him, shut down his lab, fired him from the EPA. So I just want to mention that science, like if you attempt to conduct legitimate science that threatens official narratives of the German government or the American government, You're going to be targeted and persecuted and possibly even executed by either one of those governments.
So I'm just adding that to what you're saying.
Yeah.
Well, that is societal governmental persecution on a non-penal level here in America.
That happens all over the world.
In Germany, they have, of course, a penal law where they can stick you into prison up to five years for any act of inciting the masses.
Anyway, my original point of departure was actually a little before that.
I read a book that I was given from a By a friend, by a French socialist and resistance fighter during the war.
He organized his own resistance group against the German government, German occupation during the Second World War, helped Jews to escape France, occupied France, and was caught as such and was stuck in a Buchenwald concentration camp and had to do forced labor at the Dora camp, where they built the V-weapons, the rockets.
And he barely survived.
And after the war, he read literature of some of his comrades who were in the same camps, and he realized that they were exaggerating or twisting stuff, and they were inaccurate.
So he wrote his own biography and corrected that.
And then he went on a study to look into other camps where he didn't.
He was not incarcerated, but he saw a similar pattern.
And from there on, I started questioning in general the mainstream narrative and saw how his former co-inmates were just twisting and exaggerating and inventing stuff.
I read that book and that book allowed me to doubt.
I didn't do anything beyond that because he was a historian.
I was not.
I didn't feel competent to mix in.
But it allowed the door of doubt to be opened.
And I had quite a chain reaction in my mind because as soon as I doubted, I felt guilty.
And I know that almost all people in the Western world who have been exposed all of their lives to this one-sided narrative and to the inculcation of feel guilty if you doubt.
You cannot.
You are not allowed to doubt.
And that Doubt made me feel guilty indeed.
Because I was doubting, I felt guilty.
And when I realized that I felt guilty just for doubting, I got angry.
If you're a Christian, you read in the Bible, doubting Thomas, Jesus did not punish him for doubting.
Doubting is understandable.
Doubting is fine.
There are ways of getting over this doubt.
But here...
Dogmatism is so much stronger in this topic that you already get punished, that you actually self-punish by feeling guilty for just having doubts.
There's something profoundly wrong in a society that raises and educates people to feel guilty just for doubting.
This is what made me angry.
And this is what I said.
This is not right.
Something is wrong here.
They have to hide some skeletons in the closet or else they wouldn't go to that great length to suppress doubt.
I'm glad you brought that up.
And let me add that over the last year...
As we have witnessed modern-day Israel engage in this genocidal war against the people of Palestine, we have seen numerous examples of Israel faking its own victimization.
Numerous examples.
Or blaming, like Israel would bomb a hospital and then blame Hamas for bombing the hospital.
Or Israel would launch its own anti-air defense rocket that would land on a soccer field and kill a dozen children or some number, and then they would blame it on Hezbollah.
We see, even in Amsterdam recently, the Israeli hooligans were provoking a fight with the Palestinians there, and then they claimed, the Israelis claimed to be victims.
But this pattern has become very observable and very apparent, and we've seen many examples of this in the United States, too.
The modern-day Israelis are very quick to scream victims, but But not typically in a justified way.
So many of us observing this are starting to ask...
I mean, this is why I'm asking you to come on, because if they're doing this now, did they do this before?
Are there elements that were exaggerated?
I'm not saying that it didn't happen in the past, but I'm saying...
Are we being told the full truth?
Were elements exaggerated?
Were numbers exaggerated?
Were methods exaggerated?
I've seen accounts that there were flames coming out of the smoke stacks of the incinerators.
And I'm thinking that's not possible because flames don't come out the top.
The boiler is far below that.
You wouldn't have flames coming out of the top.
But it seems like a lot of these witness accounts can't possibly be true.
What do you say to that?
The first step is by going to what the mainstream themselves say is not true.
There are a number of accounts which they accept have been invented, clichés that abound about the Holocaust that are repeated by many witnesses and we know cannot be true.
One of them is the claim that soap was manufactured from the fat of murdered Jews, generally rejected by the mainstream.
You mentioned the flaming chimneys.
Yes, that's right.
The chimneys of the crematoria couldn't spew flames because they were all fired with coke.
Coke doesn't have any flame and you could potentially have a short flame out of a chimney if you stuff an extremely obese person into a And then it can catch fire.
The amount of fat that liquefies and burns can lead to flamers.
But in concentration camps, you didn't have extremely obese people.
They were mostly starved or struggling.
So that's not an option.
That's right.
There are a number of things which, with a little bit of knowledge and technology or engineering or just common sense, you can quickly realize this can't be true.
This must be propaganda.
That, for the most part, people repeat because they are expected by now, by media, by any channel, to tell a certain story.
And they receive financial incentives to do so, in many cases.
Yeah.
Any witness who comes out, no, I have not experienced that.
I was in a little place, and in this little place, I had very little knowledge of what was going on around me, and I can't say anything.
Had I seen a gas chamber, I would be dead, because I wouldn't have come out alive.
Therefore, there cannot be a gas chamber witness who really has experienced it.
It is true.
We all expect that.
Except for a few skeptics among us, going into a session where a survivor testifies.
We've had them for decades at Holocaust Museum, survivors testifying in front of mainly school children classes.
The audience is expecting a certain story that we have come to believe and have been told to believe.
And it's like demand is there and then it will be met by those who are asked to tell the story.
Those who have little to say that's uninteresting will not be asked to stand up.
And those who actually refute it.
And we find in the archives a lot of testimonies that are not dragged out in the open and spread.
Who clearly say, former inmates, I didn't experience that.
I heard it only after the war.
I can't remember seeing any of that.
You will not hear these testimonies ever being published and spread because they are uninteresting.
If you didn't see this happening, then you were simply at the wrong time at the wrong place.
You're uninteresting and discarded.
So, and also, but it seems like from a scientific point of view, too, I mean, I have a lot of questions as a scientist.
Which is, I know that bodies don't just light on fire when you touch a body with a match.
They don't just...
Spontaneously light on fire themselves.
You have to actually have energy inputs in order to turn a human body into ash.
I mean, we have cremations all the time as a burial.
I mean, an alternative to burial in Western cultures.
And they have to use, typically, natural gas ovens, right?
They have to turn on the fire and the flames in order to incinerate the body.
They don't just light a match on the toe.
And the body self-incinerates.
So where did all this energy come from?
I mean, where is it claimed that all this energy came from to incinerate so many bodies?
And is that even logistically possible to carry out that scale of extermination through the crematoriums?
First, let's go to the claim.
What did the witnesses claim?
Mostly survivors, and you have some of the alleged perpetrators too.
And if you look through their testimony, for the most part they say that corpses in those camps, either the forced labor camps, extermination camps, or a mixture of the two, were Burned without much, if any, fuel.
Some even say there was no fuel needed.
You have some exotic claims that actually blood is such a good fuel that it incinerates and burns everything.
But that contradicts reality, of course.
Of course it does.
If you look at the energy that is needed to cremate a normal body nowadays, You know, if you look in the American population, two-thirds of them overweight and one-third is borderline obese.
In those cases, you may actually, if you do a highly efficient crematorium and have a casket that goes with it with a lot of wood, you may end up having a positive energy balance.
But when you have a starved Deprived population from ghettos being deported to camps where they suffer.
You don't have overweight or obese people.
There is not much body fat on them, and therefore there is not much fuel in the bodies.
You have a lot of water.
The human body consists of 60 to 70% of water, depending on the hydration state, and it takes a lot to evaporate that before anything, the rest of the human body can burn.
There's actual documented and scientific literature on what it takes for a normal, not overweight body, a normal fat content, and for those who were emaciated, of which there were a lot due to disease and malnutrition and so forth in those camps.
And for an efficiently, constantly run cremation furnace, it's something like 30 kilograms of coke.
But if you look at what was delivered for the Auschwitz camps, the delivery documentation is actually there.
We know that it was enough roughly to incinerate those bodies who were documented as having died mostly of quote-unquote natural causes.
With this, I mean, non-murderous, non-homicidal causes.
That could have included starvation or disease, obviously.
Yes, therefore, quote-unquote, natural.
It's not really natural if you stick people in a camp where conditions are bad.
But it's not homicidal, let's say, that way.
Well, but I just want to, let me just clarify that, though.
But putting people in a camp and starving them to death, we would say that that's homicidal.
And that's what Israel's doing to Gaza right now, by the way.
So, I mean, just indirectly homicidal, we would say.
Right.
It depends on why we have starvation.
Toward the end of the war, we have starvation not by design, but if you call it by acts of God, this is the wrong way of putting it, by...
Higher powers.
When Germany was carpet-bombed back into the Stone Age, the infrastructure collapsed.
You couldn't get any food anywhere anymore.
The whole of Germany was a pile of corpses.
A major and mid-sized city were bombed into oblivion.
Like Dresden.
Dresden was a crime against humanity.
I will say that as an American.
Yeah, this is only one of hundreds of German cities that were treated similarly.
And we've never shown the images of German corpses lying all over all the mid-sized and major-sized cities, nor of the ethnic cleansing that was starting in early 1945 in East Germany, in East Prussia in particular, as the Red Army invaded and started mass-murdering German civilians.
Yeah, that whole chapter of history has been completely erased, I've come to discover.
There were millions of Germans that were slaughtered following the war.
Yeah, doing the war with the carpet bombing and at the end of the war and following the war with starvation politics continue until the Berlin blockade when the Western nations turned around their policy of starvation and tried to actually get the West Germans into their fold as cannon fodder for a future cold doing the war with the carpet bombing and at the end of the war and following the war with starvation politics And let me just interject here.
I'm sorry to keep interrupting you.
No, it's okay.
I'm really interested in what you have to say.
I just I want to have an overall disclaimer to our audience to say that my position as a human being is a pro humanitarian position.
Right.
I wish for peace and prosperity for all people.
The German people, the Jewish people, the Palestinian people, the American people, by the way, I am opposed to aggression and violence and colonizing forces and so on.
I've already said that the Allies bombing of Dresden was a crime against humanity.
There's no question about that whatsoever.
You know, tens of thousands, if not more, civilians were killed there.
And I've said that Israel's genocide against Gaza is a genocide.
World War II saw a lot of evil carried out.
And, of course, some of that carried out by the Third Reich.
But I just want to say, and to you also, that it saddens me to have to cover all of this and this history.
But we definitely deserve to know.
We deserve to be able to question it.
And let me give your website out here also.
I don't know if it's your site, but you have the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust.
C-O-D-O-H dot com.
I support open debate, Garamard.
I support open debate.
And it strikes me as very suspicious that we're not allowed to debate the Holocaust and what happened and why it happened.
Right.
Go ahead, yes.
I want to appeal to our common humanity.
When we're discussing about the Holocaust, we have to first acknowledge the things that we do not contest, and that is that the Third Reich persecuted minorities, Jews in particular, singled them out for harsh treatment, denied them civil rights, ended up ghettoizing them, forcing them to live in ghettos, that is, and deport them into a forced labor camp, into the barren regions of the East, and into what is called to have been...
What happened in those camps and to the people deported to the east is then the question where disagreements come up.
Were there homicidal gas chambers where people were mass murdered, or were there not?
Was there a policy of extermination by labor, that is to say, work people to death and not caring for them, or was there not?
And was there a policy of mass shooting inmates, particularly at the Eastern Front?
Any Jewish civilians?
Or was there not?
And if so, then to what degree?
So it was to three major points.
Was there a plan and the implementation of the plan to kill all the Jews the Nazis could lay their hands on?
Were there homicidal gas chambers?
And did it result in six million dead?
Now, when it comes to six million dead, I say always, when we're talking about a moral assessment already, the first victim of persecution.
Is too much.
Yeah.
So whether it's one Jew killed because he's a Jew or six million is a matter of numbers, but not a matter of moral quibbling around.
We can agree on that, too.
However, when I'm talking about science and scholarship, we always have to get numbers correct.
This is just one of the main things of science.
Yeah, and this is one of my main questions for you today.
Based on your research, please, at some point here today, what...
What is your best analysis of what that number actually is?
Because I've noticed that over time, those numbers keep changing, that new evidence emerges, historical evidence about some of these camps and some of the original claims of some of the camps seem to have been pretty wildly exaggerated.
And now they're being, you know, corrected, I suppose.
But I don't know what is a realistic number.
I agree with you.
Even one Jew being murdered for being a Jew is morally reprehensible.
But the numbers do matter in our discussions.
Do you have an answer to that or can you approach an answer?
I don't have a definite answer.
What I do know is that the answer that the mainstream has been given and is given currently is incorrect.
We have the first indication of what the mainstream claimed right at the Nuremberg trial, the International Military Tribune, when they showed the Nazi concentration camp movie where they said 20 million people died in the camps.
And they didn't even single out Jews.
They were just general of all walks of life and nations and religions.
Now, of course, that was an exaggeration.
Today, we hear over and over again the six million figure.
There is one study that was done in the German language.
It was published in 1991 that came to the conclusion.
Yeah, six million.
We did statistical analysis of how many Jews We lived in the countries later under influence of Nazi Germany before the war, and then again, a short time after the war, made the difference, and we came up with 6 million.
There's a big problem with that figure, with that approach, because there was mass immigration going on between the last...
The census they had before the war and the first several years after the war.
The mass immigration leading ultimately to the establishment of the state of Israel by millions moving there, but also mass immigration to primarily the United States, but to countries all over the world out of what was used to be Nazi Germany or Nazi controlled territory.
So this study completely ignores that.
You can't make a difference between what we had before and after and call everything a victim of Nazi extermination.
That's right.
That doesn't make any sense.
Right.
And then they had problems because every author was covering a country.
They made double counts of roughly half a million people.
They actually counted Jews that had been deported by the Soviets as they occupied Eastern Poland.
There were Some 600, 700,000 Jews that had fled from the German army to the east, and the Soviets just grabbed them and deported them to Siberia into forced labor camps, and most of them didn't return.
They are being added to the account of the National Socialists, even though they had nothing to do with it.
And so there are a number of ways of putting everything that is...
It has caused this difference between pre-war and post-war liberation as victims of the Holocaust, and you can't do that.
If you correct for the obvious mistakes, you come down with roughly 4 million, according to their accounting.
However, there are several other problems.
They, for instance, say that 400,000 Jews from Hungary were mass murdered as they were shipped to Auschwitz in summer 1944. We have air photos that were taken by Allied reconnaissance airplanes over Auschwitz exactly during the time when those mass exterminations of Auschwitz of the Jews deported from Hungary is said to have happened.
And the general cliché told by many, many witnesses that between May and July 1944, the sky over Birkenau, that's the camp where the extermination is said to have happened a little bit west of Of the Auschwitz camp itself, that the sky was blackened with dark smoke, that huge pyres were burning, that all the crematory chimneys were smoking.
And we see on these air photos taken in May, June, July, August, clear skies, no smoke, neither from the chimneys nor anywhere else, no smoldering or burning pyres.
And there's no excuse in saying, well, they just came to the wrong time, because according to the train schedules we have, we know that several trains arrived every day, particularly in the second half of May and in early June.
And we have very clear air photos from that time.
There should have been mass amount of mass extermination going on.
It obviously did not happen.
The whole story of mass extermination with huge cremation pyres and crematoria, smoking all over the place, didn't happen.
How it's supposed to look like, we know, because in 2001, we had the hoof and mouth epidemics of cattle and livestock in general in England, if you remember.
They had huge amounts of livestock that they had to cull, or said they had to cull, whether they really necessary or not is beside the point right now.
Fact is, they ended up with hundreds of thousands of cows, pigs, and sheep dead.
They didn't have cremation capacity to get rid of them.
So they had huge pyres in the open-air build, similar to the size, but scattered all over the landscape in England, that is said to have, or should have been burned at Auschwitz during that time.
And we know how much smoke is being created, the technical difficulties, the amount of fuel you need, the havoc in the local area where you build and maintain those suppliers.
So we know what to expect on air photos.
There's nothing there.
So this whole story, and this is the main extermination story of Auschwitz.
Some one million people are said to have been murdered at Auschwitz.
400,000 of them, that's 40%.
Are said to have been those Hungarian Jews.
We can see from air photos, irrefutable, US and Canadian, but also German air reconnaissance airplanes.
It did not happen.
So if you see this and you see all these witness accounts and then you go actually to the archives, we were fortunate.
When I started with my research in the early 1990s, fortunately the Soviet Union collapsed at that time.
All the camps we're talking about where the mass extermination is said to have happened are located in what is today Poland.
So they came under Soviet rule and all the archives were kind of locked away, not really accessible for Western researchers.
So what they were doing until the late 1980s, early 1990s is really more guessing and taking witness account at face value rather than being able to look Into the archives, what all the documents the Germans have left behind tell us about what was going on,
and also investigating the sites, doing forensic research, forensic archaeology, looking for mass graves, looking for traces of mass cremations, and so forth.
That could be done only starting in the 1990s, and it was done.
We've gone to many of these archives, Tens of thousands of documents, a huge amount, hundreds of thousands of documents the Germans left behind in Auschwitz, so they didn't destroy basically anything.
It's all there.
You can document every last nut and bowl that was put anywhere, so to say.
The Germans, in their bureaucratic frenzy, have documented almost everything.
So we can pretty much recreate the whole camp, its history, how it was built, who built what when, who Let me interrupt here.
You've got another website, holocausthandbooks.com, which people can access to watch videos, or can they download books there?
Right.
Right.
PDF versions, 52 volumes.
This is what started in the early 90s when we got access to the archival material and started doing our own forensic research.
But the mainstream has also done some forensic research, and they're hiding it because the results they came up with doesn't at all not jive with their story.
It supports ours.
So it didn't happen as claimed.
Okay, so...
Hold on, let me ask you this.
I need to ask you the motive question here for this, and there's a theory that's been put out there that if you're saying that many of these so-called eyewitness accounts were actually exaggerated, or in some cases perhaps fabricated, People were, in some cases, incentivized to tell some stories like this.
They were given book contracts or notoriety or they were given social acceptance for telling these stories.
But is the motive as a whole to establish a lot more European guilt so that the United Nations would grant Israel the 1948 recognition to go to Palestine?
I mean, do they need the currency of collective guilt in order to achieve that?
Is that part of the motive here?
No.
When I put together all the information in the Holocaust Encyclopedia for the first time, I mean, I've published these 52 forensic and archival studies over the past 35 years, and I've amassed so much knowledge.
I've published them.
I haven't written them.
Some of them are written by me or with my co-authorship, but most of them are from different authors.
But I've published them in the English language, in the German language.
I've translated them.
I've reissued them in so many editions.
I have the knowledge of all this stuff amassed, but not organized.
It's not an organized series.
Every volume stands by itself.
When I wrote the encyclopedia, I had to actually get it all organized, understand the entire territory, and systematize it.
And that's when I started connecting dots I had not seen before.
And I've actually published what I found in a little booklet that says, Yeah, the root of the story.
Okay.
To understand the roots of the story, that gets us to the root of the motivation.
The very early witness accounts about the camps where it is supposed to happen, whatever that is, the it is.
As I mentioned, all those camps, six camps, were located in what is today Poland.
Auschwitz, Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor, Treblinka, and I forgot one.
Majdanek.
Okay.
The early witness accounts, they were taken initially by the Soviets as they, quote unquote, liberated the area.
And I said the Red Army never liberated anything, not even Auschwitz.
If you look at how Soviets actually raped some female inmates that were left behind, how they deported others to Siberia.
So no, the Soviets didn't liberate anything.
They conquered the camps.
And they made the first interviews, but then handed matters over to the Polish, newly established communist, Stalinist, Polish authorities.
And they then did, over the next two years, three years, interrogations of whoever they could lay their hands on, mostly claimed survivors of those various camps.
And I document in that book for every one of these camps how chaotic and disorganized internally as well as externally contradictory these eyewitness accounts are.
You cannot really extract a coherent story out of these accounts.
They make claims, for instance, about Treblinka.
People were murdered with steam.
They were electrocuted, killed with chlorine, killed with engine exhaust.
Any method you can think of is claimed by some witness, and that is pretty much true for all the camps.
In one camp in particular, in Sobibor, almost all witnesses claimed they had a fantastic engineering feat of a chamber whose doors after the execution would open downward.
All the dead inmates would fall into carts in basements underneath and they would be ferried away in those carts.
Nothing of this ever happened.
It exists today and the mainstream today acknowledges this is made up that didn't exist.
It's swept under the carpet.
You will not hear in mainstream narrative any of this.
But this is what almost all the witnesses, early witnesses on the Sobibor camp agreed.
How did that happen?
So who gave them that imagination then?
Right, right.
It's probably that those inmates were talking to each other and they agreed on some kind of story.
Sobibor is a single case.
In the other cases, it's so contradictory, so chaotic.
But at the end, the Polish judges who did the interrogations in five of those camps, and in one camp, it was actually a historian who wrote the first summary, not a judge.
If you look at what witness statement material they had and which story they at the end published and went public with the There is a process of streamlining, of actually inventing a story.
In the case of Sobibor, the Polish judge, Zdzislaw Wukashkiewicz, threw out all witnesses, replaced it with a story he had created for Treblinka, where he had also discarded most of the witnesses and agreed only on the story that one witness had told.
And replace the Sobibor stories by witnesses with the one he had made for Treblinka.
So what you see is that the Polish judiciary, for the most part, in 1945 until 1948, mostly 1947, created a narrative that looked coherent and consistent and had little, if anything, to do with the witness accounts which were not coordinated and which were not For the most part, created in some conspiracy.
But what was their motive for doing this?
If you look at a map, you superimpose the borders of Germany of 1914, before the First World War.
And the borders as we have them today with Poland in it, you will realize that Polish territory today consists half of it of German territory.
Yes.
Of those territories, some were actually populated by a majority, particularly in the Posen area, by Poles.
So Germany, prior to the First World War, had some territories that, legitimately speaking, they shouldn't have had.
But they lost much more than they deserved after the First World War and huge territories after the Second World War.
And those territories were ethnically cleansed from the German population.
And those territories had been inhabited for centuries by almost exclusively German population.
So Poland as we know it today consists of 50%, you can say roughly, of territory that used to be Germany.
So this was justification for Polish authorities to ethnically cleanse the region, remove Germans or kill them, and then seize that land for Poland, which is what it is today.
Yeah, a post hoc justification.
It is a way of instilling in the Germans an eternal feeling of guilt.
Of making them think, well, we did so bad that we had it coming, and we need to accept that as our deserved punishment and never make any territorial other claims against Poland.
Remember, the Second World War broke out over territorial disputes between Poland and Germany over a much smaller amount of territory.
The amount of territory that Poland grabbed after the Second World War is ten times as big than what we're talking about in the First World War.
So, the reasons for Germany, legally speaking, to say, hey, you need to give us back that stuff, because there's no way under international law it's going to be justified, is something that Poland wanted to false stall by inducing massive guilt feelings in the Germans, and they have done that systematically.
The Germans have swallowed a lion who can sinker.
And that's where we are today.
The germs have that attitude.
We are so bad in history in the Second World War that we deserved it, we need to swallow it, and go on.
Now I'm saying this not in order to tell the Germans why you have to now ask rightly to get it back now.
We have the European Union.
There are no borders anymore Germans.
If any German wants to settle in an area that used to be Germany in what's now Poland, they can do so.
We are done with waging wars and doing fratricide in Europe over territories.
What's going on in Ukraine right now is absolutely horrible.
We don't need more of this.
Germany and Poland are now allies and they're friends and they're getting along, swiveling here and there, notwithstanding.
So, no, I'm not saying that some territories should change hands here.
I'm looking only at the history of things and how things evolved.
And you see that, yes, primarily Jews were the witnesses, but their accounts were not coordinated.
They were chaotic.
There was complete anarchy when it comes to this.
And it has to be expected after a war where the Jews were treated horribly by Germans.
They had an axe to Sure.
Sure.
that you have the Germans on the ground and everybody loved kicking them, figuratively speaking, and this was no exception.
But then to eternalize it, you see that the Allies used the narrative that the Soviets and then the Poles were creating about those extermination camps during the International Military Tribunal
But after 1948, we just mentioned the Berlin crisis, then the germs being taken seriously by both sides to give them Partial sovereignty and treat them as humans again because we had the Cold War.
Each side in the Cold War wanted their part of the Germans as allies and no longer suppressed them.
The allies lost interest in pushing the Holocaust narrative in 1948. The Poles kept pushing it for decades more.
And Israel gets into the picture actually only really in 1961. The Holocaust was not really pushed up to that point, but with the Eichmann trial, That was staged as a big show trial in Israel in 1961. That changed, and it is that late that Israel joined the picture of using the Holocaust.
This is my understanding of things.
So there is no Jewish conspiracy.
I'm sure that the Polish judiciary, those judges who created those stories and the one historian, we're actually talking about only four individuals.
With one Polish historian of the Auschwitz Museum later ramming it down more solidly, Donuta Cech, with her Auschwitz Chronicle.
These created the narrative, and there must be, we're talking Stalinist post-war Poland.
They did that in order to prepare Stalinist show trials, two of them particularly against Rudolf I, the former commandant of Auschwitz, and the Auschwitz personnel, one in Krakow, one in Warsaw.
These trials were orchestrated.
They were Stalinist show trials, and nothing was left.
To accident in those trials.
We know that from other Stalinist show trials.
Whether orders on how to rig those trials came from the Kremlin, and if so, to what degree, or who also did it all by themselves, we don't know.
Whether there's any documentation, we haven't looked, let alone found any of this, but I wouldn't be surprised if something could be found that there were instructions on how to do it.
But this needs to be left open.
But it's reasonable to assume that some rigging was done there from higher levels.
Yeah, well, we've certainly seen, we have witnessed a rigged judiciary in the United States ever since then as well.
Let me put an end cap on this.
The reason this matters so much, and in America we are subjected to the ongoing cultural reinforcement of these narratives of the Holocaust with just an endless stream of movies and books.
There's like a book a day published about the Holocaust.
There's a movie every month, it seems, if not more frequently, about the Holocaust.
And If we don't think about them critically, if we just accept everything in the movies, it seems like a lot of those scripts are based on the things that you're describing, which in some cases, like you talked about Auschwitz in 1944, the 400,000 that were said to be killed.
You're saying it did not happen and that there's photographic evidence that that did not happen.
My point is that we are being retrained and reinforced on these narratives constantly, and modern-day Israel, I know that's not the focus of our talk, but modern-day Israel justifies its actions based on the narratives of the Holocaust, saying that you can't criticize us because of the Holocaust, and that you can't say we're committing genocide because we were genocided ourselves, which isn't logical, but that's what they do.
It's understandable.
I have two adopted children and I have seen patterns in the way they try to act and react.
If I see Israel as a child that is raised, it has a traumatic past.
No doubt about it.
We can talk about the degree of what happened that caused the trauma, but the traumatic past.
And then it was given free reign.
Everything Israel wanted, it was given.
So if you raise a child that has trauma, Like you get a small adopted child like I adopted and it was traumatized.
And then you give in to every demand that it has.
you raise a monster, not in terms of a terrible creature, but a human being that will actually terrorize its social surroundings because it is feeling entitled, entitled to get every wish granted.
That's what Israel has become.
It is a nation that can get any demand it has, and it has an entitlement to do so, and we treat it like, yes, you can have anything you want.
Plus, what we see...
Remember, showing fictitious horror movies to minors is illegal.
However, when it comes to the Holocaust, we have sometimes fictitious, sometimes real footage mislabeled that is force shown to minors doing history lessons, starting, depending on the country, early on in school.
And this traumatizes people.
In Israel, it's particularly intense.
Jewish schoolchildren are being taught about the Holocaust early on, over and over again.
And for them, it's not something that happened to someone else.
It happened to our grandparents, great-grandparents.
And they're being taught it can happen to you again.
So they're being...
Traumatized and re-traumatized.
This is a vicious circle of self-traumatization that the Jews in Israel and Jews all over the globe are doing to themselves, creating a paranoid mindset that makes them think every goy around every corner may be capable tomorrow of killing us again because that's what we think has happened in the past.
Therefore, preemptively, we have to, when we see the slightest sign of trouble, kill these goy.
That is what they believe.
And this is what they're acting out in the Middle East.
They're preventively wiping everything off because it's the Samson option.
If you are out to kill us, even though it's not necessarily true, or in this case it's completely exaggerated and twisted, there was a little incursion of a few Palestinians into some territory, but that didn't amount to an attempt of killing everyone in Israel.
But that is kind of the mindset they are in.
Locked due to self-traumatization with a twisted form of history that turns them into paranoid, genocidal maniacs.
And this is a constant nightmare they live in.
Trauma, being caught in trauma and paranoia is a nightmare.
I know what I'm talking about because I share a little bit of that history.
I have been traumatized by German persecution like Jews have during the Second World War.
I have seen and was offended in earlier years of my youth that Jews who used to be able to speak or even live in Germany, speak German, get freaked out when they hear the German language.
They hate the German language instinctively and don't want to hear or speak it anymore.
I've come to the same point.
I'm speaking English to you and I would have trouble speaking German because I'm so disconnected from German.
If I hear German people speaking that are not friends and family, I have this instant averse reaction myself, so I know what trauma due to persecution and paranoia coming from it does to you.
But healing this means finding common human Grounds with people, trying to talk it over, trying to normalize your life, not revisiting the horrors, exaggerating the horrors and grinding them in over and over again, generation after generation, re-traumatizing new generations.
This just makes matters worse.
Well, and they're amplifying the trauma.
Israel today believes that when it attacks all of its neighbors, that it is acting in self-defense.
But it has a project of greater Israel, which is massive expansion that will require the extermination of millions of people in countries like Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Jordan, you name it, even Egypt, or even Turkey for that matter.
So, but Israel, because of this indoctrination, they only see that as a form of self-defense.
So you're right.
There's a self-traumatized, genocidal paranoia that drives the modern Israeli culture, and they have nukes.
So it's very dangerous for our world.
And me speaking as an American, so much of our Congress has been taken over by this support for Zionism.
And even our president-elect Trump, strong ties to Israel.
We are all concerned that the Trump administration is going to just send us to fight wars for Israel.
And so history, the trauma of history is just going to be repeated.
And we never escape this and get back to peace.
So anyway, that's what I'm going to leave this with anyway.
Your final thoughts here, Germar?
We're a little bit over time, but...
Yeah, Jews need liberation from their nightmare, from their trauma.
And if they don't stop, they're going to be the ultimate victims because they are surrounded by a sea of people who will be turned into lethal enemies by these actions.
As it stands right now, the best way to act for the Jews is to get the hell out of there and go to places where they're safe.
That is to say where they came from.
Good point, which for most of them is Europe.
Right.
Or the United States.
Or the United States.
Exactly.
Well, Germar, this has been a really intriguing conversation.
Obviously, we're going to have a very vibrant commentary following the posting of this video.
But I want to thank you for your willingness and courage to just look at this issue.
And it seems like you're doing so from a point of intellectual integrity.
And you're willing to ask the tough questions, and you're willing to answer some of my questions.
We've only scratched the surface, but let me give out your websites again.
HolocaustEncyclopedia.com is where people can access and download and, I think, purchase the encyclopedia.
Then we have HolocaustHandbooks.com.
And then finally, this one, the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust, C-O-D-O-H.com.
Does that...
Is that about wrap it up for the sites?
Yeah.
Well, the germarudolph.com is my private website.
If anyone wants to learn about me, about my activities and fate, there is germarudolph.com.
Got it.
Yes.
Okay.
We're showing that.
Okay.
All right.
Germar, again, thank you for your time.
And I hope this is the first conversation of many yet to come.
And may I just ask, do you live in the United States now then?
Yes, yes, yes.
A long legal struggle against the United States who deported me illegally because I was illegal in this country.
I had married a U.S. citizen.
That marriage was recognized, but they deported me, so I had to fight back.
I live here.
I plan on staying here because there are now 27 countries in the world who have outlawed Holocaust criticism, even if it is scholarly in nature, including Canada to the north.
So I'm stuck here, and it's a big country and a nice country to be stuck in, so I'm not complaining.
Okay, well, let's hope they don't criminalize the speech that we just had today right here in America, because that may be coming.
We'll push back against that if it happens.
Very good.
All right.
Well, thank you, Germar.
Take care now.
Thank you for having had me.
Thank you.
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