MIKE ADAMS, JASON FYK - CENSORSHIP INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX
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Waging War on Corruption.
It's Alex Jones with Mike Adams.
All right, welcome back, folks.
You're going to be joined by Jason Fick here in just a second.
The feedback I got on that music video, you know, a lot of the segments were AI-generated video, and people were like, whoa, some of that looks pretty demonic, like the young boy transforming into a young girl and other demonic-looking video clips.
And I got to say, if there's one thing that AI is really good at doing, it's generating demonic content.
So yeah, if you ever want to do a music video and depict the evil in the world, Go with AI video generators.
They're very, very good.
You should see the stuff that I didn't put in the video because of how insane and evil and wicked it was.
It was like, even that's too much.
All right, now we're going to talk about freedom of speech in America.
We're joined by Jason Fick, who is the expert, the preeminent expert, I believe, in Section 230 and big tech censorship and the censorship laundering complex.
Welcome to the show, Jason.
It's an honor to have you on.
Thank you, Mike.
Thanks for having me.
It's great to have you here, and I just want to say you also are an expert on our lawsuit, so thank you for offering your services for our lawsuit.
Now, in this lawsuit, you have discovered, and also you're working, I believe, with other cases, you have discovered some extraordinary things.
That most people don't know about the censorship industrial complex.
And I'd like you to just jump right to the hard-hitting meat of it here as quickly as you can.
And don't bog us down with, you know, too many legal details here.
But what's the big picture of what you've discovered?
So big picture is the government has set this up for a long time.
This is not accidental.
This is not like a You know, some sort of mistake that they're making, you know, oops, a couple people in the in the federal government went after speech.
No, this was set up.
And in fact, even codified if we go all the way back, in fact, you know, the other cases that I worked on, you know, beyond yours, we've gone deeper.
So what happened was essentially the government set up this progression of, for example, the Department of State created the GEC, which is Global Engagement Center.
They were supposed to go after foreign disinformation.
When the real intent was ultimately to go after domestic information, you know, all supposedly in the public interest.
And the thing is, is that they claim to be protecting the public from the public, when the reality is, is that the thing we can't protect ourselves from is the government.
And this censorship engine was pushed forward, for example, under the National Defense Authorization Act, creates the GEC, the GEC then creates like the disinfo, or then funds things like DisinfoCloud, NewsGuard, And they're funding foreign entities and foreign NGOs to create censorship tools to go after American speech.
That's a flat-out violation of our First Amendment rights.
Alex, you've been right about it.
You've been right about it.
Everybody, go.
Absolutely.
But Hillary Clinton recently said that people should be potentially thrown in prison for misinformation and disinformation, which would be defined by the government agencies.
AOC also recently had a video saying that there needs to be consequences, you know, perhaps legal consequences.
But from what you're describing, it sounds like the government already has the tools that they could deploy to decide who would be arrested and imprisoned for speech in America.
Well, it goes back to the establishment.
It's predominantly the left that you see doing it now, and there's a reason for that.
And the only way I can really explain it is what you would call whatever, the deep state, the establishment, the established party of power.
It doesn't matter if it was Republican or Democrat.
They controlled both sides of the political fence.
Donald Trump is an outsider that is essentially a populist.
He's somebody that represents real change.
That's terrifying to these people.
So what has happened is that the Republican Party kind of like sort of stepped back.
The GOP couldn't push against this establishment.
But the Democrats, their party fractured.
And we saw a very defining moment when R.K.
Jr.
Left the presidential race and endorsed Trump.
That represented the fracture where the establishment party Democrats went hard left and they're going after control of free speech, which is what you see with, you know, Hillary Clinton and you see it with AOC, you see it with Tim Walz, Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom just signed a law that, you know, oh no, if we meme, we can go to jail.
I mean, it's getting really ridiculous.
And this is all a move from this establishment party, mostly Democrats, that are moving to essentially stop the will of the people.
They're killing democracy in this process, because that's the whole point of why we're fighting it, and Mike, why you and you are fighting this.
To preserve free speech is the absolute utmost importance because we have to stop this establishment control.
That's the whole point of why we want Trump in there.
You know, everybody says, oh, he's a bad guy.
It doesn't matter.
The point is that what we want to see is change.
We know our government is now out of control.
It's become almost common knowledge now where the average person has realized, wow, we've been lied to by our own government.
And the answer is yes.
Freedom of speech is critical for America to be healthy, so this entire movement of MAHA, Make America Healthy Again, RFK Jr., as well as Trump, and many of us who are supporters of health, We need to be able to communicate honestly to the people about things like the benefits of turmeric or, you know, the benefits of herbs, the benefits of superfoods.
And if we can't tell the truth, if we can't talk about nutrition, and if we can't talk about herbs and superfoods and molecules and what they do in the human body, Then we are done as a civilization, and they will come after free speech on nutritional supplements.
This is one of the reasons why I believe I was targeted for censorship, because I was talking about the dangers of vaccines, the dangers of psychiatric drugging of children, and the benefits of nutrition, and how you can grow your own medicine.
If you sprout broccoli sprouts yourself, you are sprouting sulforaphane.
Which, sulforaphane is an anti-cancer, neuroprotective nutrient.
You can make it yourself, actually Mother Nature and God are making it, but if we can't talk about it, we are so screwed.
Jason, what's your take on the health implications of censorship?
Well, if you think about it more granularly, let's go back to the original, you know, health situation.
The reason that, like, we don't touch a stove is not because we've touched a stove, it's because somebody told us it's bad.
It would hurt us.
And if we can't tell people that a, I don't know, a certain shot might hurt you, more people will get hurt.
Same thing goes with supplements.
If the supplements are good for you, then we should be able to tell people that they're good for you.
And if the government is making those decisions, The question is why?
Why are those biased decisions?
Now, I'm not saying that we should stop the government from putting information out there.
Public health announcements?
Sure, make it.
Go ahead.
They have the ability to say what they believe, but it's the restriction of the competitive ideas that's the problem.
If you don't say what they agree with, now they're moving to silence those And think of it this way, if you just say hypothetically, just hypothetically, that a certain shot was in fact a long-term killer, and they silence anything oppositional to that, A lot of people are going to die because the government made the wrong decision.
That's the point of free speech.
Everybody should be informed and make informed decisions for themselves.
Jason, the government, like the FDA, on purpose put out disinformation about ivermectin.
So here we have clear, malicious disinformation from the government itself.
And that information resulted in an unknown number of people dying because of a lack of treatment by ivermectin, a safe, long-standing drug.
Billions of doses have been given over, you know, 50 years or more, and people were denied access to that because of what the government said.
So I would say to you, Jason, and I think you would agree with this, that the speech of the government should be the most restricted.
The speech of the people should have no restrictions.
You know, freedom of speech belongs with the people.
The government is the malicious actor that is trying to murder people with bad information.
Whereas the public, those of us, at least in alternative media, we're trying to help people.
We're trying to save people.
We're trying to set people free.
The government's trying to get you killed on purpose.
Well, that's part of why your lawsuit is so important.
I mean, that and the one that we have coming up in a couple weeks, the two of them are kind of in tandem.
I've said it before, where yours is sort of the beginning of the censorship industrial complex, and this is the after effects of censorship industrial complex.
But the point is, and I don't want to sound hyperbolic, but this really is not an exaggeration.
Big tech and government censorship have killed people.
Absolutely.
Jason, I have a saying.
They have killed people because they deny them of information.
Censorship is a form of violence.
Censorship is a form of violence.
And when our government commits censorship against us, it is government committing violence against you.
But it's also, it's a form of terrorism.
It's a psychological terrorism operation to make sure that you are only able to access the PSYOP fear campaigns that the government is putting out, and that you won't have access to truthful information that might be a lot more calming.
Like, hey, there is ivermectin, by the way.
Hey, you can take zinc or quercetin.
These have beneficial effects, but you're not allowed to have access to that information.
So we are literally living in a time when this federal government, it's the worst ever in our lifetimes, it's functioning as a psychological terrorist organization.
A censorship violence instigator and a killer of people through its deliberate disinformation.
And then that government says they want to lock us up for challenging their lies?
That's crazy.
The funny thing is, is that I got to see, actually got to meet Alex in person yesterday at the Tucker Carlson event.
Outstanding.
And it's funny, one of the things that Tucker was saying on the stage about Alex, Specifically, is that as crazy as his idea sounded, they're proving correct.
The guy is, like, across the board.
Like, right.
The problem is, and this actually is very much like my lawsuit, they're ahead of their time.
We're so far ahead, and he was so far ahead in information, that he was trying to ring the bells and tell everybody, hey, look, the government's coming.
Government's now here.
And they're trying to take our free speech.
They're trying to take our lives.
This is real dangerous.
And I mean, he couldn't have been any more right about naming the show Info Wars.
That's exactly what this is.
It is an information war between the government and the people to keep the people in the dark.
And I think a lot of people are waking up to it.
And the more that we can wake people up to it, the better off we are.
But unless you can organize information, you can't push back against a tyrannical government.
It's the toughest thing in the world to do.
So you and others like Alex and Tucker and so forth and myself, we're pushing back.
We're not giving up.
We're actually fighting this fight.
You know, in the real war.
I mean, this is in the trenches.
This is legit fighting where we're putting our money where our mouth is, you know, in your case for sure.
And my time, I mean, I am 100% committed to fixing free speech on the internet and worldwide.
That is what I'm fighting for.
So tell us, what would be your ideal victory in this case or the next case you have coming up?
What would you want the court to compel The defendants to do and the defendants in this case being government, a high tech, you know, big tech platforms as well as these NGOs.
What are we, what are we asking them to do?
Okay.
So this is, this is actually my master plan.
I don't think I've ever even told you this.
This is exactly how this, I hope this plays out.
November 22nd, nine 30 in the morning, courtroom one, Pasadena, California.
I go to court.
We are finally, after six years, going to get our day in court to get a hearing over Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.
Now, that's your lawsuit.
I just want to be clear for the audience.
That is my lawsuit.
Longstanding lawsuit.
It's been delayed for years.
Yeah, so it's a multi-faceted, multi-fingered plan here, and I'll explain.
So Section 230 is at the core of all the censorship, and the reason for that is because the government is using Section 230 as liability leverage.
They protect them from everything when they want to, or they can apply the law correctly and they're not protected from antitrust liability.
There's your pivot point.
There's ambiguity in the law.
We know it's wrong, we know exactly what is wrong about it, and we know it's now unconstitutional in the way that they're applying it.
If we fix that first, now the law becomes non-ambiguous.
They're open to liability for any of the censorship that they do because It would then have to pass the muster of a good faith restriction.
That's not their determination what's good faith.
It's not the judge's.
That would be a jury of their peers.
Now, all of a sudden, they actually have to go to court to prove that they acted in good faith.
Now, that's the first piece of the plan.
Second piece of the plan is your lawsuit.
So with your lawsuit, what we're doing is we are going after declaratory action against the United States of America to say, no, no, no, no.
Stop the censorship.
Now, a court can, in fact, restrain the government's conduct, right?
But they can't restrain Big Tech's ability to, you know, for free speech.
Everybody argues, well, you can't, you can't compel them to hold your content.
And they're correct.
No, we, the government, the court cannot compel Big Tech to host their content.
So now think about this in conjunction with one another.
If we get declaratory action in your case against the United States to say stop censoring, they stop pressuring Big Tech to go and censor, and Big Tech will actually have to act in good faith under real terms of service.
Their decision to remove content won't be arbitrary anymore, and because they're subject to liability, they're going to not censor ridiculous stuff anymore.
They're going to have to follow their own Representations publicly.
We stop censorship in general between the two cases.
So what you're saying is, if we are victorious and the court compels the government to stop ordering Big Tech to censor these specific people and platforms, and my platform is named by the government itself, and that's why we have standing in this case, we were named, many other people were named that are also, some are going to be suing, then Big Tech
Then if they engage in viewpoint discrimination censorship, then I think what you're saying is we could separately then sue Big Tech and let a jury decide.
Right.
Yeah, so what happens there is the same as self-defense, right?
It's an affirmative defense.
The point is that if they commit any kind of liability action, they do some publishing and it goes to consideration at trial, it's based upon the merits of the case.
The burden of proof shifts to the defendant properly.
So the defendant is actually supposed to defend that they acted as a good Samaritan in good faith to restrict the content.
They can't do that if they say they're doing what the government did.
Oh, we were censoring information because the government told us to.
That's not a good faith restraint.
So if they committed an otherwise unlawful act, guess what?
They're subject to liability.
And you know what their board members and shareholders are going to say?
No!
And they should actually be proponents for what we're saying, because 230C1 in its raw form, in its correct application, which is what we're trying to get in the courts, it means that if they just say, no, government, we're not doing your bidding anymore, you cannot hold us accountable, then it would actually require an act of Congress to eliminate Section 230, because C1 would protect them then.
If they say, no, no, no, we're hands off, we're not doing your work anymore, they're protected.
All right, so it does get complicated there, but I just want to say the big picture is, if we achieve victory in this lawsuit, which will still take quite a bit of time, I would imagine, and by the way, I want to ask you also about the mother of all Twitter files, what Twitter X now, Elon Musk purchased a crime scene, he says, He's got all the evidence of crimes.
I had Ivan Reikland here.
Ivan's been on the Alex Jones show.
Ivan is encouraging Elon to release this information.
We may have more details about that, but I would imagine, Jason, that if that information starts to come out from X about what big tech executives did in conjunction with the government demanding censorship, I think we're going to have Big tech executives resigning faster than music industry executives that attended P. Diddy parties.
I mean, that's what's going to happen.
People are going to be resigning and fleeing everywhere because, especially if Trump gets into office, essentially hasn't Trump promised to do what our lawsuit is requesting the court to do?
I mean, well, essentially stop the censorship collusion.
Well, he can't necessarily just outright stop it because of the separation of powers.
He doesn't quite have that capacity.
The courts can rule it unconstitutional as applied.
Sixth scenario, they could, you know, declaratory action against the United States restraining them.
But as you said about the mother of all Twitter files, I mean, I've heard of it.
I actually ran into Ivan Reikland yesterday as well.
I've got to slow him down long enough to sit down and actually go through this with me, because if they have the information, We need to see it, because that is exactly what we're working on now, is all of this crime scene.
It happens.
I mean, the reality is that we don't have to, because people say, you know, remember when Zuckerberg came out and said, you know, the government pressured us, and everybody lost their minds.
They're like, wow, that's a great admission.
We already knew.
Judge Doty in Missouri v. Biden had already determined that there was joint participation and a pervasive entwinement with the government, and there was, in fact, censorship going on.
It's already determined to have been happening.
If we have more evidence of that, that could only help us.
And, you know, this is a plea to Elon.
If somebody owes Elon, like, we're willing to... I mean, you know, Mike, I'm sure... I don't want to speak for you in this circumstance, but If Elon were willing to work with us to end the censorship, wouldn't you be more apt to just release?
Because I know that you're suing X because they're not fixing the problem.
Yeah, we have named X in our lawsuit, and the funny thing is, Elon is not that far away from this studio.
Elon should just stroll on in, and just sit down right here, and he and I can just work it out.
We can solve this thing in 30 minutes.
We just get you on the phone, get our other attorney on the phone, boom, we can solve this thing.
We love what Elon is doing with X right now so far, but he's got to go all the way.
He's got to stop the censorship, stop the blacklisting of, like, Brighteon links, stop the shadowbanning of certain accounts.
I mean, I know my account is shadowbanned.
I think Laura Loomer's account is partially shadowbanned.
I don't know about Alex Jones' account.
Perhaps it is, perhaps it isn't.
Yeah, yours is.
Mine is as well.
Harrison Smith, his account is Shadowband.
So he's got to go all the way.
But look, we're almost out of time.
Tell us about your non-profit group that fights for freedom of speech.
Tell us about that.
So, Social Media Freedom Foundation at socialmediafreedom.org.
We could use your financial help.
We are a non-profit.
All we fight for is everyone's freedom.
I have not taken a single dime myself as income from this.
We have used it all for legal proceedings to protect the individual free rights of every citizen in this nation.
Socialmediafreedom.org, it has a lot more information.
Your case, Mike, is hosted under the Documents tab.
My case, A lot of legal lawyers should be looking at this because, I mean, we are literally months away from correcting Section 230, provided they actually let me in the door, as it seems is going to happen.
We know what's wrong with it.
So this is big.
I mean, for people that want to understand this more.
Also, too, if you need to reach out to me that, you know, if you want to go after big tech, we are specialized in exactly this.
You can find me on Twitter at Jason Fick.
OK, so that's a big thing.
All right, and what's your website again?
What is it?
Website is socialmediafreedom.org.
Okay, socialmediafreedom.org.
But I just want to be clear, we are fully funding you for our lawsuit, so you're not asking for donations for our lawsuit because we're writing those checks.
No.
But what we're saying is your overall advocacy of freedom of speech.
Well, I'll give you a better example.
You are able to fund your own fight.
There are a lot of people that come to us, and unfortunately, they have been wiped out, and they're the people we want to hurt.
I mean, I've got a list of people that want to go after Big Tech that can't afford to.
And the thing is, we have to prioritize it ourselves based upon what essentially pays our bills.
So it is to fund other people's fights.
Absolutely, to fund other people's fights who are not as blessed as we are with resources.
Jason, fantastic interview here today.
Thank you for your time.
We appreciate you.
You're brilliant.
We've only scratched the surface.
I would encourage people to watch more of your videos on other platforms.
So thank you for joining us today.
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God bless each and every one of you.
God bless America.
And join me in praying for peace and praying for the restoration of our constitutional republic.