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Welcome to part one of my two-part interview with Michael Yan.
And in this part, we're focused on cannibalism.
An astonishing story.
It should be made into like a Netflix series or something of Michael Yan tracking down a world-famous cannibal who bragged about eating children and especially liked to eat human fingers.
And Michael Yan and I talk about the practice of cannibalism.
Why it still takes place in many cultures around the world.
And it's not always about hunger, by the way.
In fact, rarely is it about hunger.
It's other reasons.
But we also talk about shrunken heads and some of our travels and journeys around the world separately.
You know, we never, I've never been anywhere on a trip with Michael Jan, but he and I have both been to many different places and we have seen a lot of different cultures.
So this is part one of the interview.
Focus on the cannibalism.
We'll run part two separately, which has more adventures from Michael Yan and myself, Mike Adams.
So enjoy part one.
Let me give you a warning.
If you're queasy, some of this gets pretty, pretty, pretty wild because we are talking about cannibalism.
Okay.
So maybe don't listen to this if you just ate your lunch and you want to keep your lunch down.
You might want to listen to this some other time, but here we go.
Welcome everybody to this urgent interview.
I'm Mike Adams.
You won't see me.
I'm doing this from my home studio.
No camera today, but we're joined by Michael Yan.
Who is currently in, are you in Japan right now, Michael?
No, I've actually come over to Bangkok for some meetings here, and then I'm going to head to Singapore, and then probably back to Thailand, then Japan, then Texas.
Oh, okay.
Well, we welcome you back in Texas whenever that happens.
We'll invite you in studio.
The urgent issue right now is that, of course, just as you warned repeatedly, the United States is being invaded.
And you are correct, sir, that the term migrants is the wrong term.
They are invaders.
And, of course, 20,000 of these invaders were plopped down in the middle of a relatively small town of Springfield, Ohio.
And the residents there have been screaming, and there are 911 calls that confirm all this, that some of the invaders are eating the geese in the city parks and eating people's cats.
And then you and I both have started warning about if famine gets really bad, we're going to start seeing things like cannibalism.
But let me ask you first, just this issue of eating Geese or ducks or cats, you've been all over the world.
Isn't this actually a pretty common thing in many third world societies to eat the animals that are around?
Oh, yeah, Michael.
I mean, you know, I Sometimes it can sound like I'm bragging to say how much I've traveled, but it's actually important, actually, because it's part of my educational background for saying these things.
I've spent most of my life out of the United States.
I mean, I'm as American as it gets, but I've spent most of my life downrange in just about 100 countries right now.
I think this is 98, right?
And so I've spent Most of my life in places like Asia.
I spent, what, more than almost 19 years, I would say, in Asia.
All over the place.
China, India, Nepal.
I mean, 25 countries just in Asia, right?
And all over Europe for more than six years, Middle East, five years, and just a lot of countries.
I've seen a lot of cultures.
And Central and South America, you've been through that whole area, too.
I've been through all the Central American countries, not as much South America, just Colombia and South America, but I'm going down there soon to check out South America more as well, but mostly Asia, Middle East, all of Central America, Mexico.
And when I say traveled, like I've been across the United States extensively.
Like, you know, I have seen so much of the United States.
You would most I would say I've seen more of the United States itself than 99% of Americans who never leave the United States.
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, I really go around and I've been doing this since a young age.
You have.
So let me start off here with something that you and I have both seen that most Americans have not seen, and that is walking through like a night food market in Hong Kong or some Asian country.
And all the things that you see that Americans would never think of eating.
I remember the first time I walked through a night market in Hong Kong.
I was shocked.
I was horrified.
They're eating that?
But it's not unusual in these countries, so please speak to that.
Oh yeah.
So many things.
Oh, hold on!
Speaking of that, just hold a minute.
I'm going to show you what I got in my refrigerator.
I forgot about this.
Oh my gosh.
What?
Stand right by me.
Michael Yan's fridge tour?
This is a bonus.
Okay, folks.
Get ready.
Who knows what he's gonna drag out of his fridge at the moment.
Probably got it.
Probably got it in the night market there.
I did get it in the night market, actually.
Oh my gosh.
This is actually classic.
It's gonna be like snakes on a stick or something.
What is it?
Yeah, actually, I do.
And look at this spider.
On a stick!
Yes!
Hold on, let me take it out.
What is it?
Is it a tarantula?
Oh man, it's getting dry.
I was going to photograph it in the sun, but it's, uh, I don't know what it is, but I'm not going to taste it.
Cause it's been in there a while.
Oh man.
The things I've seen in the markets, Michael, I mean, you've seen them.
You've been to Hong Kong.
You know, like, oh man, the legs are falling off.
Gross.
Okay.
A little snack fries right there.
So people just, just eat that right off the stick.
Yep.
Okay, so... I know everybody wants it.
Yeah, no doubt.
Here, let's see what else I've got.
I've got some more stuff.
Yeah, man.
Oh, oh, it fell on the floor.
The legs fell apart.
These are snakes on a stick.
They are actually snakes on a stick.
See?
Yes.
You were joking, but I'm like, yeah, in fact, I do have snakes on a stick.
No, I wasn't joking.
I've seen frogs, I've seen snakes, I've seen eggs from weird creatures, and I've seen things that we would call pets, you know?
Yeah, that's a snake on a stick.
There you go, a snake on a stick.
And this isn't plastic, man.
This is...
Anyway.
Scorpion on a stick.
This is literally in the night market.
Just I can walk to him, you know, right out my door.
Yeah.
Scorpion kebab right there.
Yeah.
And I got some more stuff here anyway.
So what we're trying to establish is that that eating animals is not weird in a lot of cultures around.
I mean, I mean, eating just like geese would be pretty mainstream compared to what you just showed us.
Oh, I got other stuff here, too.
I'll save that.
But yeah, so, you know...
Man, wait till the cleaning lady comes tomorrow and finds that spider, because it's... I've got to get it away from my foot.
You should eat it first before she gets it.
It's on the floor now, Michael.
Anyway... Oh, man.
So, anyway... Oh, they'll eat roaches and... Oh, rats.
I mean, actually, this is a rat trap.
I've got a rat trap right here.
I mean, this isn't... I don't have this here as a prop.
That's a good trap.
Yeah.
You know, the reason they make the traps like this is, well, for a couple reasons.
One is, if you do want to eat it, it doesn't crush it.
Right.
And two, but actually, they're Buddhist here, and if you do catch the rat, they want to take it and release it somewhere.
It goes like this, you know.
Yeah, no, I have a bunch of those.
I actually do live.
Oh, like this?
I live capture rats myself, yes.
I mean, just because we have a lot of rats.
They don't eat rats from the city though.
No.
One time my dog ate a rat.
She thought it was a rabbit.
And she just chased it, gobbled it, swallowed it whole.
I have a dog I call the bunny gobbler.
She swallows small bunnies whole.
But anyway, she also eats rats now.
Well, and before you know it, she'll start bringing you rats as gifts.
I've had that happen before with a dog that I adopted in Thailand.
And then she started bringing me birds.
I'm like, okay with the rats, but please, I love birds.
Don't kill the birds.
It's just bring them as a gift and leave them at your feet.
But you know, when it came to like in the invasion in Europe in about 2015 and 16, I started warning.
I'm like, they're going to eat all your geese.
They're going to eat your ducks.
So you can look online where I was actually posting it and I was saying it on interviews.
I'm like, they're going to eat all your geese and all your ducks.
They're going to eat your cats and dogs.
And people are like, oh, you're a racist.
I'm like, they will eat you.
And I mean that totally dead serious, right?
I mean, I'm not joking.
I'm not like, I have tracked cannibals.
I mean, I've been this close to cannibals, right?
A lot, and I've got thousands of photos and huge amounts of video and that sort of thing.
I mean, so when I'm saying these things, they're not theoretical at all.
It's about as theoretical as that spider I just showed.
I remember being in a Fresh market, they call them fresh markets, right?
And I was one in, I think I was in Laos.
And the lady, there was a bunch of bats, actually, and they were tied together with like twine of some sort.
And there was usually three bats in a clump, like, you know, and this lady was picking them up, looking at the bats, and the bats are flopping around.
She's like, those aren't good, you know.
And so bats, rats, cats, I mean, literally, I was out with some Hmong people.
It was just me out in the village with some Hmong people.
And where was I?
In Laos.
And they literally came in with some cat from the jungle.
I mean, it was a big cat.
It wasn't like a house cat.
And anyway, I mean, they cooked the cat, so I ate it with them.
But I mean, that's normal.
Go ahead, sir.
Right.
Well, and the thing is, so when you take people from a place like Haiti and you just drop them into a U.S.
town, but there's really no integration.
So they're of course going to bring what's normal for them at home in Haiti.
They're going to bring that to wherever they show up.
They're walking around, they're like, wow, this is a buffet.
I mean, look at all the cats and geese and dogs and things that we normally would eat at home.
It's like free food.
I mean, the answer to food inflation is to eat the geese in the city park, you know?
Oh yeah, and I mean instantly.
I mean, I remember in Bangkok, I haven't seen it in a long time, but when I first started coming here, they had nets downtown to catch the birds at nighttime as they were, you know, and I've eaten some of the little swallows and stuff, you know.
Anyway, but that, so the, I mean, because, you know, you go to Laos or Cambodia or here in In the older days in Thailand and yeah, you get like a soup and there's a little swallow in there.
But anyway, yeah, you just never know what's next you've traveled around but when it comes to human flesh.
There are.
I mean, cannibals are a lot more prevalent than people seem to think.
I mean, I have tracked a lot of them down, right?
And you know how I am, Michael.
I study like crazy.
And before I do something, like before I go to Afghanistan, I read like 20 books on Afghanistan, you know, before I go to Iraq.
And before I attract cannibals, I read even more because I didn't want to get killed, right?
Because, you know, these guys are quite serious.
But I was over in India and I was just doing my thing, reading and studying anthropological things and cults and that sort of stuff.
India is a great place for studying cults.
It's like a cyclotron where you're smashing different religions together almost at the speed of light and a new religion pops out syncretically, you know?
It's unbelievable.
It's like a god particle emerges, yeah.
Oh, it's like, yeah, you're like seeing in real time, you know, new religions form.
And so I was over there and some things happened and I came across an actual cannibal by accident.
And at first I was like, Wait a minute, that guy's a cannibal?
You know what I mean?
And then I saw him doing some things, I made some photos, and... Anyway, the next morning, I got on the trail and I started asking more and more about that one guy, and then I immediately, within, I don't know, 12 hours of encountering the first one, he was called a Naga.
A Naga.
Oh, my alarm's going off to call you.
There, I just turned it off.
So he was...
So he was a Naga.
Naga in Hindi means either naked.
It can also mean like serpent, snake.
And it's also a part of India called Nagaland.
And so the people that are in Naga are called Nagas.
But there's also a type of sadhu or holy man called a Naga.
So I just told you numerous types of Naga.
So the word Naga can get confusing depending on context.
But these Naga sadhus, they still do cannibalism and they're quite dangerous.
I mean, I need to ask you for some more context here.
When these people, the people that you've observed engaging in cannibalism, First of all, I'd like to know what different parts of the world you've seen this, and then secondly, where do they find people to eat?
I mean, what are they doing?
Are they running around killing people and eating them, or what do they do?
Sometimes.
And actually, this is a big story.
I mean, I could literally, I know more about this than I do about the invasion of America, which is substantial, right?
Because I really track these guys down.
So on that first day, the next morning actually, Uh, so within, you know, 12, 18 hours, I heard about this guy from Texas or Hawaii.
I wasn't sure.
And, uh, and later on, I tracked him down.
There was one actually from Houston.
His name was Gary Rayburn Stevenson.
He was born on December 3rd, 1950.
I tracked him down.
It took about six months.
I finally found him, and along the way I found a lot of others, and there's just epic things happened along the way, including cannibalism and all sorts of stuff.
Okay, now let's talk about these in particular.
Now, there's many sorts of cannibals.
Like, for instance, down in Congo, they hunt the pygmies and eat pygmies.
The United Nations has got involved.
I haven't hunted them down in Congo, but they'll eat the pygmies.
They think they have magical powers.
The last thing you want to do is be somebody that they think has magical powers.
They'll hunt you down.
Oh, they'll eat you.
Right.
And so if you look online, like, you know, hunting pygmies Congo, you'll see United Nations getting involved, you know, because the pygmies are complaining.
Can you imagine pygmies running through the jungle with their little legs being chased by giant people hunting?
I mean, it's quite serious.
Albinos as well.
They'll eat albinos because they think they have magical powers, right?
So this is important.
This idea of magical powers is one of the reasons, only one of the reasons, that people do cannibalism.
It's not always insanity.
It's not always starvation.
It's things like voodoo.
But okay, the Nagas, the first Naga was what first got my attention.
Like, that guy's an authentic cannibal.
I met him in India in a place called Varanasi, Banaras for those who have been there, Kashi for those who were there like hundreds of years ago, but it's on the Ganges River, right?
So I ran across that Naga and then I started asking around like, are these guys allowed to do that?
And that was when I heard about an Aghori.
A-G-H-O-R.
Agor is the religion.
In Sanskrit, that means not terrific or not terrible.
And this is the simplest religion I've ever studied, right?
I can say the kernel of the religion in, you know, 15 seconds.
Let's see if I can do it, all right?
We'll start now.
Okay.
They, okay, starting right now, they believe, the Agoris believe that everything is made by God, God is perfect, or the gods, and therefore you should not be disgusted by anything, therefore you should do anything.
And that's it.
So they have no, they have no Borders.
Like straight-up Satanists, right?
Sleep with a dead dog as a pillow.
Kill and eat children.
One of the things that they'll do is kill and eat adults.
They've been known to do this for centuries, right?
They're called Aghoris.
Aghoris.
A-G-H-O-R-I.
Or there's variant spellings, right?
But the bottom line is, it's called Aghor.
It means not terrible or not terrific.
Now, a lot of Westerners had joined that cult.
Really?
Oh yeah!
They have an ashram in Sonoma, California.
I infiltrated it and lived in it, right?
I mean, I came back to America.
I tracked them in Italy.
I went to Germany and France and Hawaii and Sonoma.
I lived with them in Sonoma.
I tracked a little bit in Florida.
Are you saying that there is cannibalism that is practiced also in America today?
If there is, they're keeping it hidden.
I didn't see it in America.
I did not see it.
But Gary Rayburn Stevenson, it's interesting how all this kind of comes together, like, with pandemic and whatnot.
Like, for instance, he was born in 1950 on December 3rd.
His name was Gary Rayburn Stevenson.
G-R-S is his initials.
That's kind of important for something later.
But anyway, There was a huge polio outbreak in 1952, and the worst places for polio were Houston and Los Angeles County, as I recall.
I read three books on polio because of Gary.
He ended up getting polio in his left leg, right?
So he got that when he was two.
I think it was in June of 1952.
And so it shriveled his leg, right?
So for the rest of his life, he tried so many things to become To heal that leg.
He tried various beliefs and religions.
And again, he came from a wealthy family.
I mean, his father was, I've talked with his father.
His father has since deceased.
His father had been an army officer in World War II, stationed in Papua New Guinea.
His uncle had been stationed in India, flying I found his daughter in Canada and asked her to do a DNA test and with that I tracked his entire family tree down.
Everything that he told me turned out to be true.
So Gary, I talked with numerous members of his family, I tracked down friends, I went It was deep dive, right?
So Gary tried to cure that polio.
He got it when he was two, shriveled his leg.
So when he was 15 years old, he read a book called "Autobiography of a Yogi." Many people watching this will have either read that book or they know it, "Autobiography of a Yogi" by a Yogi who came to the United States.
I read the book because I read it doing my research on this.
Interestingly, so Gary, this gets to be just more and more interesting the deeper it goes.
So Gary read that book when he was 15.
He ran away from home.
He did various things.
I was able to check all that out.
Anyway, we'll skip past all that.
He ends up out in California.
In Los Angeles area and then in San Francisco.
He becomes a Hare Krishna, right?
Not that Hare Krishna are cannibals or anything, but he became a Hare Krishna because of that book, Autobiography of a Yogi.
Interestingly, Steve Jobs also read that same book, as did the Beatles, and this all plays in later.
So, Steve Jobs... Go ahead, sir.
Well, no, I was just saying, oh, but let me read, you know, as you're talking, I looked up an interview.
I know you've read this.
He did an interview with Harper's Magazine.
Back in 2005, this guy you're talking about, and he said, quote, the spirit comes into you when you eat the flesh of a dead person.
It speaks to you, gives you power and energy.
And he says, I do it as often as I can.
He says, every day if possible.
And then he says, he likes the taste.
It's like pork.
Younger flesh is better.
He says, babies really taste fresh.
It's the same with any kind of meat.
But babies are like lamb.
So I mean... Is that Gary?
Yeah, that's Gary.
Yeah, that sounds like something Gary would say.
I spent a lot of time with him.
I think he killed some people in Hawaii and I think he shot somebody in San Francisco.
Long, we talked about that for hours and I was in contact with the FBI and law enforcement and all that.
But anyway, but staying along the other track because that's a whole, this is unbelievable.
So he became a Hare Krishna, right?
Interestingly, Steve Jobs read that same book, Autobiography of a Yogi, right?
And so Steve Jobs talked about that book and Steve Jobs, you can find online where Steve Jobs was talking about he would go to the Hare Krishna You know, temple or what do they call it, like sort of an ashram, I think.
And they would go to that, he would go to that for free meals and whatnot.
Interestingly, I think that's the same one Gary went to.
I went to it about two years ago, a year, year and a half or two years ago, when I was looking at Chinatown and some other things in San Francisco, because you know me, I'm always tracking down Chinese Communist Party and what they're up to.
So I was back in San Francisco.
I went to language school, by the way, in San Francisco.
So I'm familiar with it.
I actually went to school in San Francisco.
But anyway, that was before I knew about Gary.
So I went to the old ashram.
I found the address and now it's a it's a it's a laundromat.
But I photographed it.
I happen to be there studying other things and I and I tracked them.
But anyway, but the bottom line is.
Steve Jobs read that book, and he said that he read it once a year for the rest of his life after that.
And when Steve Jobs died, everybody who came to his funeral got a copy of that book.
You can find Steve Jobs online in videos talking about the book.
He's like, it changed his life, autobiography of a yogi.
And anyway, and so Gary would tell me about the Beatles.
He said he was, you know that song, My Sweet Lord, George Harrison?
You know, that's actually a Hare Krishna song, right?
It's sort of like the Top Gun song of Hare Krishna's.
And so, Gary ends up off in India, as did the Beatles, who also, you know, George Harrison, you can see a photo of George Harrison with the book.
I'm not sure if it's photoshopped or what, but you can see it.
But George Harrison ended up living on Maui, where Gary lived, weirdly, in Hawaii.
And Gary said they were friends.
And actually, I never found proof of that, but there was significant evidence, I think, that they actually were.
But anyway, long story short, so Gary lived in california for a spell then he started going to hawaii more he changed his name in hawaii to garratus rama sitanatha right grs same initials uh gary rayburn stevenson to garratus rama sitanatha and despite having a shriveled left leg uh he uh
Would ride a bicycle and he actually became a Merchant Mariner.
I have a copy of his Merchant Mariner ID card right here.
And so I checked with the Coast Guard.
It's a legit Merchant Mariner card.
Actually, he was doing food service and Merchant Mariners of all things.
So, Gary told me he was living in the jungle out there, in Kauai, Maui, the big island, and also on Oahu.
And I checked it all out.
I went to all those islands.
I found some of his friends because I got his name change up.
I got his name change papers in the Department of Records there in Honolulu by those banyan trees near the library.
I went in there and I got his name change records and it had names of People on there, they were like, you know, I don't know, witnesses or something.
Anyway, but I went to their addresses.
I found some of them and that sort of thing.
Talked about him.
Anyway, Gary ended up, he became a vegetarian, trying to heal his leg.
He became a fruitarian out in that jungle in Hawaii.
There's a lot of homeless people out in those jungles.
I went out in those jungles looking.
And so he became a fruitarian for a while.
He became a pescatarian for a while, which is only fish.
And then he always would, he had a wicked, as it were, sense of humor.
He would say, Michael, then I became a humanitarian, right?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, he would joke about cannibalism.
He wouldn't hide it.
He'd be like, oh, I'm a humanitarian.
Michael, why do you tell people I'm a cannibal?
I was like, you know, it's kind of an odd thing for a Texan to be a cannibal.
And because I would talk with him that directly.
The first time I found him, it took six months.
I walked into a restaurant and there he was.
And finally, I'm like, can you imagine searching for somebody for six months?
I wasn't actually sure he existed until I physically found him.
So I was like fishing for the biggest bass and not sure if it really exists.
You know, I finally found him.
Okay, but a couple of questions come up.
I think our audience would have the question, too.
Why?
Why were you so interested in finding this guy and then, you know, in essence having dialogue with him?
And another question I have is, According to this interview that he did with the magazine, he would eat human flesh every day, or at least he would strive to, and he said he really liked the fingers the most.
He said it's the most tasty part of the body.
Smells like rawhide, but its addiction makes you want to do it more and more.
So if he's living in Hawaii, where is he getting human fingers?
He said he made emu those barbecues that they do.
And I talked with the law enforcement there.
I talked with an investigator named, oh, Lord, I've forgotten his name.
And then I saw him in the news later.
He got in trouble for some kind of embezzlement or something, the investigator.
Anyway, actually, I found an FBI guy that remembered him and all kinds of stuff.
So he lived in Hawaii for a while.
If he killed anybody in the jungle, he lived at Taylor Camp.
For those who are older and know what Taylor Camp is, he actually lived there.
What's that?
Which island was that?
Big Island?
Taylor Camp was on Kauai, right?
Oh, Kauai.
I went there.
I think it was on Kauai, and I actually went there.
I think it was on Kauai.
You can look up Taylor Camp.
There's a documentary about it now.
Okay.
When he first told me about Taylor Camp, there was nothing much on the internet about it.
But then, you know, it was Elizabeth Taylor's Cousin or something?
Her brother?
Anyway, he had made a bunch of money.
Well, he was Elizabeth Taylor's relative.
And anyway, long story short, he made this thing called Taylor Camp.
And it was, you know, this sort of paradise that a lot of hippies like to go to.
And Gary lived in a cave nearby.
I found the cave.
I went to the cave.
Yeah, that's on Kauai.
I'm pretty sure that was on Kauai years ago, because after that I went to the wars.
Do you think he was harvesting homeless people from the jungles?
Kauai and like eating him in his cave?
I mean, it sounds like a troll or something.
I suspect that he did.
I don't know that for a fact because he was careful.
Now, I think he shot somebody in San Francisco.
Like what I'm telling you now, I've told the FBI, they didn't service it much.
It took me months to get this out of him.
That first time that I interviewed him was 18 straight days, right?
And then I went back to the United States.
I'm like, this is unbelievable.
So I went back and I talked with an agent in Lakeland, Florida named Susan Pruitt.
And I told her, I said, look, I think this guy is going to come back to the United States and kill his father and some other things.
And anyway, and down in Houston.
And so I told them about him.
And then while, you know, I told the San Francisco PD, it took, I eventually I went back to India.
Long story, he was in prison.
He had tried to kill somebody.
I went back to India and I was interviewing him in prison.
And anyway, long story short, he would never tell me.
He bled out little pieces of it over time, right?
For instance, at one point he told me he shot somebody in San Francisco.
I just blurted out of him, right?
And then he's like, oh man, I shouldn't talk about that.
But then over a long period of time, I was recording the things that he was saying, and I would send the audios back to the United States, and I would have them transcribed immediately, and I would have them sent back to me, and I would memorize what he told me, or I would keep rereading it, right?
So that when he would tell me things, I knew what I could remember.
And then I started to realize, well, I need to know.
OK, he said that clearly.
Now, where was it?
So over a period of time, he mentioned to me that he stayed at Planters Hotel.
And then, you know, in another period of time, I said, you said you shot somebody over there one time.
You know, what happened with that?
And he goes, oh, no, no, no.
I don't want to talk about that.
And I was like, where was that?
He's like, oh, you know, second.
Oh, never mind.
Second Street, right?
So anyway, and then at a different time, it could have been weeks later.
I don't remember.
I have to look at my notes.
He said Folsom Street.
So second and Folsom.
There was a Planners Hotel there.
So I went back to San Francisco and I got a hotel room across the street and there's the The Planners Hotel is not there anymore, but a real estate company bought it.
So I went there and that was in the same building.
I went upstairs.
I said, hey, I'm a writer.
I'm looking into something.
Did you guys own the old Planters Hotel?
You bought it, right?
They're like, oh yeah, we bought it.
It was a great property.
And you can find the Planters Hotel.
It's kind of a famous hotel in San Francisco.
And so they had photos of it.
I said, do you have any photos of it?
They're like, oh yeah.
And they had them in the closet.
So they pulled the photos out.
They let me photograph the photos, which I have.
And I'm like, this is exactly how Gary explained it.
He was here.
He was clearly here.
So I bought all the death records in the United States, which were on CD-ROM.
It was, you know, four or five hundred dollars or something, I can't remember.
But I bought all the death records, and I couldn't find anybody that was killed at Second and Folsom.
I talked with the homicide at San Francisco PD, Agent Toomey and another guy, they were partners.
They weren't very helpful, but eventually they let me look at the records.
I didn't see anything there, and I'm like, I really think he killed the guy because he mentioned, at a different time, he mentioned the pistol.
He said it was a .22 caliber long rifle, North American arms, and it was a tiny little pistol that you can put in your hand, right?
And at a different time, he said he bought it at the Jewel Box in Tucson, I think, or anyway, it was in Arizona.
So I was actually able to confirm later that he did buy that pistol, right?
All that stuff did check out.
I talked with North American Arms.
They had just started making those pistols at that time.
I checked all kinds.
He bought the pistol, right?
And so the bottom line is, that's one, right?
I was never able to prove that.
Uh, anyway, long story short, maybe the guy didn't die.
Maybe he shot him in the head, said he was a black guy, shot him in the head, point-blank range, but apparently it was just like a drug deal.
It wasn't cannibalism, right?
But he was dangerous.
A .22LR round can easily ricochet off a skull.
Right.
Yeah, it's possible he didn't die.
And it was, the hotel was owned by an Indian guy named Patel was his last name, which, you know, half the hotels in India, I mean, in America are owned by Patels.
They're from Gujarat, you know, it's a name that actually means innkeeper in Gujarati language.
Anyway.
But, but Michael, I'm sorry to interrupt, but I, I think our audience also is begging for me to ask you this question.
Why?
Were you working on a documentary or a book or something?
Why are you spending so much time researching this guy and tracking down all this stuff?
Well, actually, before I got on this trail, I was out in the jungle trying to photograph tigers, right?
So, I mean, I was just taking a break.
I read a lot, right?
And so I had, you know, walked up to Mount Everest during this time period.
I did the Annapurna circuit and I had a whole pelican case filled with books.
I hired a Sherpa to carry my books because we didn't have iPads back then.
And so I would just study hard.
And one thing that I started studying when I was in Special Forces was Obscure religions and cults and that sort of thing, because when you're in special forces, you need to be dialed into these sorts of things.
So I had an interest in anthropology and that sort of thing before.
But then when I started hearing about, first of all, that cannibals still existed, which I was unaware of, I thought any cannibals that were out there were like, you know, I don't know, Silence of the Lambs type stuff.
You know what I mean?
Like some crazy guy.
I didn't realize that there were actually a lot of people in the world that still do this.
Oh, let me get back to why that, but okay, I'll answer why I was doing it.
I was doing it because I just, I mean, why did I become the most experienced combat correspondent in the United States?
Cause that's what I do.
You know what I mean?
When I get on a, when I get on the track, I get on the track, right?
And so, you know, I just spent all that time in Dairy and Gap and now you see it's all over the news all the time, right?
I mean, this is just what I do.
I'm kind of well known in my little circles for, if I get on, if I get on a track, let's put it like this.
I would hate to be, I would hate to have somebody like me tracking me down.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, because I waited for three weeks for him to cross a bridge one time.
I just read books for three weeks.
He never crossed the bridge.
I finally found him in a restaurant hundreds of miles away.
It seems to me, though, and I'm saying this with respect, Michael, because you've done so much tremendous work, it seems to me that you should have had something come out of this like a book, like Stalking the Cannibals, or something, or a movie script, or something.
It's like, you spent a lot of time on this, a lot of time, and I'm not aware of anything that came out of it other than you learning these interesting facts, you know?
Yeah.
Here's the thing, Michael.
I mean, things...
The world kept going.
Eventually, Gary went to jail in India.
Let me tell you why they do cannibalism.
First of all, Agor.
Nothing is sacred, right?
It's totally like satanic stuff, right?
And so they will literally do necrophilia.
They will grave rob.
I talked with a lot of these people, right?
And they don't all seem crazy, actually.
When you talk with them, sometimes you're like, he doesn't seem crazy like some drug addict guy.
You know what I mean?
They just seem like that's their religion.
And so They have they call it the left hand of God and I think a lot of people see which direction that's going right?
Sinistra so I mean that's Latin but anyway, but the but the bottom line is is the left hand of God so they believe that There's something called Shakti.
So, all the Indians watching this or Hindus know what Shakti is, right?
So, Shakti is like the universal feminine power, right?
So, you'll see it's also a nice name in Hindi.
So, you'll see people going, you know, Shakti brand honey and stuff like that, right?
You know, it's a good name, right?
Shakti.
So, if you think about Shakti, this universal energy that, you know, this is a Hindu thing.
They will say that Uh, you can earn Shakti, right?
By doing penance or being good or whatever.
Uh, you can steal it.
If you think about money, it's almost a direct equivalent.
It can be stolen from you, you can earn it, you can steal it from somebody else.
And the people that they would like to eat would have the most Shakti, which would include children because they haven't used their Shakti yet, right?
And it would include, that's why when I'm saying people will eat your kids, this is not just the Aghoris that think that way.
A lot of these other cannibals have very similar thought patterns, right?
Go ahead, sir.
Okay, well, is Shakti, is it kind of like what in ancient Chinese culture might be considered Qi or something like that?
Yeah, it's just like an energy.
And you can earn more of it.
You can, again, you can save your Shakti.
You can steal it.
It can be stolen.
You can be born with it.
And they think they can get it by eating people who have high Shakti.
Yeah, like white people, right?
Now, if you look up my name and outside magazine, you'll see that I helped search for another American who went missing in India.
Really epic story.
There's another, there's a book out about him.
The reason that I got involved in that was because people knew I had tracked down other people in India successfully.
So, I mean, so, you know, and so anyway, that guy disappeared and he had been with the Naga, right?
And so, yeah, it actually, he was from Florida.
So I'm sorry to interrupt, but you're setting off so many trails of thought here.
So a lot of ancient stories like Little Red Riding Hood is a story about a predator of children that might eat children.
I mean, that's in the story.
Now, do you think that those kind of stories are really are based in, you know, historical fact?
I don't think they are.
They definitely are.
You know, whether that Little Red Riding Hood specifically is, I don't know.
But the general fact pattern?
Absolutely.
Look up online, for instance, in India, this law called, what's it called?
The Prohibition of Something like evil and aghori practices.
It's like a felony in India.
Or what about Hansel and Gretel, right?
That story, right?
The children were eaten by the evil witch or something?
Yeah, I mean, cannibalism, again, when I started tracking these guys, at first I was just doing my thing because I travel a lot and sometimes I just like Walked to Mount Everest.
Why did I walk to Mount Everest?
You know, because it was there.
Did it twice, right?
And so I just walked to the bottom.
But I mean, but the point is, is, you know, when I started tracking these cannibals at first, I just at first I thought, well, I just want to see if it's actually legit.
And I had already found one just total accident, the Naga, right?
And then the next day, It was easy to get on the trail of more and then I was like, man, this is dangerous, you know, and so obviously I need to back off and study a bit and that was when I started to realize I think there might be some people from California involved in Italy and Texas and Hawaii, right?
And so I started and I'm, why are Westerners doing this?
You know, because I'm asking, Keep in mind, I'm coming into that tabula rasa like I'm a clean slate, just like most people listening to this have never heard of this.
At that time, I had never heard of it.
Now, right now, you can go online on the Internet and a lot of the things I'm telling you, you can find like that.
But at that time, even though the Internet was alive and vibrant, I found almost nothing about Aghoris on the Internet.
And when I spent huge amounts of time in libraries like in Delhi and in Varanasi and, you know, in India.
Library of Congress, and it took a lot of research.
If you find anything on Agoris that's old, chances are I've read it several times.
If you find something from 1850 or 1848, like Revelations of an Orderly, I will have probably read it several times.
I read it all, I found their holy places, and I started staking them out.
And at one point, an Israeli named Ori Yelinik drowned crossing the Ganges River up in Laxmanjula.
And I helped look for his body.
I had warned him not to do it.
You know what?
The dope thing I keep going off about, you know, I used to like to travel with Israelis.
They love to smoke their dope, right?
And Ori Yelinik, he was 23 or 24.
Ori Yelinik.
You can find his name online.
I think the last name is spelled with a Y, not a J. Ori, O-R-I, Yelinik, right?
We were up in Lakshmanjula near Rishikesh, and I like to stay with the Israelis, right?
So I would stay in the guest houses they stay in, and they would smoke their dope, and I'd be like, stop speaking Hebrew, man.
Talk English, you know?
So I traveled with them quite a lot, and they would smoke their dope.
So one morning I was going down to start my cannibal hunting and near, was it Loxman Jewel?
And there's a, so the Ganges River goes through Loxman Jewel, right?
There's a suspension bridge, which I think might be closed now.
But anyway, I saw Ori going down to the river, to the Ganges River with an inner tube over his shoulder.
And he's with these two Kiwis, you know, from New Zealand, one of whom almost drowned a couple of days before and I saw it.
The river's like loud.
There's like trees coming down, whirlpools, you know, milky water.
It's monsoon, man.
If you look up and see when Ori drowned and you look at the rains that were happening up there, you'll see what I'm saying.
And I'm saying, Ori, what are you doing?
And I'm like, Don't do it!
And he's like, oh, I can do it.
And I'm like, Ori, you've been smoking dope, man.
Listen to the river.
The river is saying, I'm going to kill you, right?
And it's like, Ori goes across the river.
We never found his body.
He's dead, right?
So during the course of the search looking for Ori, so you can find online, Ori Lennox disappears in India.
So I was up there looking for him, right?
We know he's dead.
There's all kinds of other bodies in the river.
And these Agoris, We'll sit by the river and they'll pull bodies out of the river and eat part.
So during the course of this research, the leader of the Israeli research team is, oh, good Lord, he just emailed me a few weeks ago.
He's in Israel.
But he's a retired Israeli special forces guy, right?
And now he's an author, right?
So he was leading the team.
And so I helped them search.
We never found him, but they found this other body, right?
They found another body and they had like a sort of a Navy SEAL Israeli IDF guy there.
Very fit, and he ties a rope around this one body because it was kind of white, right?
And there's a lot of bodies in that river.
You see bodies every single day.
And this body had been, like, eviscerated, right?
It's unbelievable.
Like, cut open, intestines hanging out, and it's got no pubic hair and no armpit hair, no axillary hair, right?
That actually is a sign of potential human sacrifice, because often when somebody's going to do a human sacrifice, they will cut off the armpit hair and the pubic hair.
And I'm like, hey.
And so anyway, during the course of this, the Israeli frog man pulls – I've got the photos of this.
I'll send them to you.
It's unbelievable.
And so they, I didn't shoot the photos, the Israeli search team guy, and he gave them to me.
But the, so an agori was there in the jungle watching the sort of Israeli Navy SEAL pull the guy out.
Guts hanging out, rope around his neck.
He has a saw in his head.
Like a saw like a wire saw right because they drink out of your your skull and they do it with these three fingers like They they will They put the skull like this with these three fingers.
They always drink out of their left hand and they drink out of the skull like a coconut, right?
And so it looked like somebody was trying to get his... He looked like he was murdered to me.
Anyway, so... And then they just dumped him in the river when they couldn't finish the sacrifice prep or something?
I don't know why he was in the river.
He seemed pretty fresh.
Not that I'm a...
Not that I'm an expert on how fresh the... I do know from tracking and that sort of thing, it's hard to tell how the age of things, but... and the water is kind of cold, but... but the bottom line is, I don't know, but...
He was dead.
That much was clear.
Yes, we got that part, yeah.
And the Indian police are right there, right?
And the Israeli search team is there, and they pull the body up.
Now he's on the side of the river.
He's not in rigor mortis.
And that's when an Aghori came out.
of the jungle like on cue now keep in mind these agoris think they can sit by the river and meditate and a body will come to them right whoa i think yeah and imagine how that must have looked to the agori like hey like god right they're saying that god answered their prayer but of course they're into satanism yeah and of course so so he comes out of the jungle and um
and he and he took a stone from the river and he put it on the guy's pubic area above his this penis, but on the pubic area, There's no hair.
It's been shaved apparently.
It's what it looks like.
And he does this little ritual and he took a coin.
And he put the coin on the liver, right?
And so there's a photo of the coin on the liver.
And then, I don't know why he was doing that.
And then he picked off a piece of the foreskin and he ate it right in front of everybody, right?
Whoa.
And, oh yeah.
And, and the Israelis were like, you know, these are Israelis.
They don't shock too easily.
The Indians were like, well, you know, he's an Aghori, you know, it's like, and so, and so anyway.
Oh, yeah!
I mean, this is India, man.
It's full contact.
So I hadn't found Gary the Cannibal yet.
I hadn't found him yet.
I was still out there looking for him.
Please wrap up this story, because I have so many other questions to ask you.
But this, I mean, this is bizarre.
But there's more that I want to ask you about.
So... Oh, I could go for a day.
So just ask and, you know, unless you want to hear more about that story.
I want to hear, so what happened to this Gary guy?
Oh, Gary.
Okay, Gary.
So, I found him.
After that, it was right after this that I had been searching passively, like the bridge where Ori just drowned.
I read books beside that bridge for like three weeks because I'm like, he's gonna cross this bridge.
Actually, I still didn't know if he existed yet, but I'm like, I was just overly confident enough to think, well, if he does exist, he will cross this bridge because I always go to choke points, right?
And I'll be able to somehow magically identify him, right?
And so then, you know, you got to have confidence or you can't win.
So, now Ori's dead, then the Agori eats part of the penis, and then finally I'm like, you know what?
I actually actively asked somebody.
Usually I was just passively.
I wasn't actually asking anything.
I wasn't acting like I was hunting for these guys, because I didn't want to get killed.
Because that's like your sonar on your submarine going, ping!
You know, hey, I'm looking for those guys.
They can kill me, right?
So I actually decided, I packed all my bags, I arranged for a driver, and then I went and I started asking about, hey, is there an American Agori here?
Because I'm like, this is going to get back to him immediately if he exists, and then I could get hurt, you know, because I don't know what he looks like.
Because there's other Westerners here.
So the first guy I asked said, oh yes, Kapal Nath.
He had changed his name to Kapal Nath.
K-A-P-A-L-N-A-T-H.
Kapal Nath.
Kapal in Sanskrit means skull, right?
And those skulls that they drink out of were called copries, but some call them kapala.
But anyway, and noth means path.
It means like path of the skull.
He said, oh, yeah, you mean kapal noth.
And he was just here.
He just left yesterday.
I'm like, I just spent like a month here.
I spent three weeks watching that bridge.
I spent, I think, maybe five weeks there.
And I'd never seen the guy, right?
And I was right there.
He was right around me somewhere.
You know what I mean?
He goes, he just went to Varanasi, which was hundreds of miles away.
If you look on a map, you see Laxman Jhula versus Varanasi.
It's a long way.
So I jump in the car.
My driver's like, that's a long drive, sir.
And I'm like, let's go.
So we go down to Varanasi.
And I had studied them enough that I thought, Where would he go?
He'll probably go to this place called Aussie Gat, which is, I'd already been to Varanasi several times.
Gat means like the steps that go down to the river in Aussie.
A-S-S-I.
You can find it on Google Earth.
You'll know where I stayed because it was another choke point.
I'm like, I'll bet he'll stay around there.
And so I got this guest house called the Asahi River Guest House.
And I was there for several days, actually.
My computer got stolen, and I got it back, actually, weirdly.
And I actually got a room that was actually overlooking a little hut that he was living in.
But I didn't know that.
I'm like, he's got to be here somewhere, if he exists.
I don't really know if he exists, but I think he exists.
And anyway, so...
And it literally I could have hit his hut with a stone, but I still didn't see him and I walk into this restaurant called the Anyway, it doesn't matter.
It was this restaurant that the Israelis eat in.
The Israelis and the Muslims always eat in the same restaurants, and I like to eat where the Israelis eat, because I like to always, like, talk with Israelis, you know?
I like to hang out with them.
So it was called the, uh... Anyway, it was a Muslim guy owned it.
There's actually a lot of Muslims in Varanasi, believe it or not, even though it's the most holy Hindu city, but there's a lot of Muslims there.
So I walk in the restaurant.
And I walk in.
I'd already eaten breakfast there several times.
I walk in.
I was like, there he is.
And, uh, and, and I, I, I actually showed a physical reaction.
Like I pride myself on being like a poker player, but I had been looking for him for six months.
You know what I mean?
Out in the jungles and dangerous and staying in the jungles at night.
And I'm not sure he exists.
I walk in.
I'm like, there he is.
You know, I didn't say that of course.
And he looked at me.
He goes, what'd you see a ghost?
I was like, Aghori Baba, right?
Aghori Baba means Aghori priest, right?
And he goes, how did you know?
And I said, uh, well, I study Aghor.
I had a book in my hand on Aghor, right?
And I always carried that book with me in case I ran into him.
I needed cover for action, cover for status, right?
And so, He was like, well, have a seat.
So I sit down and he has a skull on the table, you know, the cochlea that half the skull.
Oh, yeah.
And he has a human femur that they called a... Oh, good Lord.
Anyway, they have a horn made out of a human femur that is a horn.
Actually, I saw the same thing up in Tibet.
Tibetan, uh, the old Tibetan Buddhism, they actually use those skulls.
I saw these in Lhasa.
They use the same stuff that the Aghoris used.
The old, very old Buddhists, they use the skulls, they drink out of them, they have the human horn, and they got the damaru.
The damaru is the little drums.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
And those are made out of baby skulls and baby skin.
What?
Are you kidding me?
I'm dead serious.
And they, and, and, and the old Buddhist up in, In Nepal, I mean, not Nepal, I was up in Nepal and then I went to Tibet, but I was up in Tibet, I was in Lhasa in a market by Potala Palace, you know, the big palace?
I was out there in a market and I'm like, wait a minute, hey, there's those skulls!
And they got the Dhammarus here and they photographed all this stuff.
And I started talking with the people there, some of them spoke English, I'm like, who uses this stuff?
And they started telling me it's old Buddhism and da-da-da-da-da.
So anyway, So anyway, then I end up back in India, and so then I'm sitting there with Gary at the table, and he starts telling me all this stuff, and he's from, I said, where are you from?
And he's like, I'm from Hawaii.
And he goes, oh, actually, I'm from Texas.
He goes, but I spent most of my, I haven't been back to Texas in a long time.
I said, are you from Hawaii or Texas?
He's like, I'm from Texas.
Well, but I'm really, but I've lived in Hawaii for years.
He starts going off about that.
I lived in San Francisco, he's talking about that sort of stuff.
And keep in mind, I had already been to Hawaii.
I've been to Texas, of course.
I've been to, I went to school in San Francisco, you know what I mean?
So a lot of the things he was telling me about, I was familiar because I'd been there, right?
And so he started telling me his story and I'm like, this is unbelievable.
And at one point, so now in the first week, I keep talking with him and at one point I'm like, I can't tell if this guy's lying.
I think he's telling the truth, but it was just like over-the-top stuff, you know?
So at one point, I took his passport.
He went off to the bathroom, I took his passport, I photographed all the pages, and I gave his passport back, and I made a spreadsheet of his passport.
He had traveled a lot, right?
He had traveled to a lot, about 70 exits and entries of different countries like Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Thailand, Sri Lanka, India, of course, Nepal, a few other places.
And so I made a spreadsheet of all of his travels.
And keep in mind, I was making audio of our conversations and sending them back to the United States, getting them transcribed and sent right back to me so I could really track on what he had actually told me.
So I memorized all of his travels, right?
So I memorized all the dates of the place that he traveled.
I said, Gary, You're a very interesting man.
He's like, don't call me Gary.
My name's Kapal Nath.
And I'm like, okay, Gary.
I mean, I'm sorry, Kapal Nath, right?
He's like, you're just a redneck from Florida.
I'm like, you're just a redneck from Houston.
You think you're an Indian, you know?
It's like, I was the only one that would talk with him like that, just really direct, you know?
Everybody else is like afraid of him and stuff.
And so, and Gary, but so we had a rapport, you know what I mean?
And so, and at one point I said, Gary, And he had looked me up.
He knew I was a writer because I went under my real name and all that stuff.
And he looked up.
He said, Michael, you didn't tell me you worked for Michael.
Michael.
He loved Michael Jackson.
He would play Mike.
He found online that I did security for Michael Jackson.
Right.
So he's like, Michael, you should have told me you work for Michael.
Michael.
So, so that gave me creds with him.
He goes, Oh, you read, you wrote this book, Danger Close and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.
So he was doing his research on me.
And so everything I had told him about me was truthful.
So as he was checking it out, it was, I didn't have to remember anything.
I told him the truth.
Right.
So, but at one point I said, Gary, you want me to write a book about you, don't you?
And you're kind of narcissistic.
He's like, You know, do you just think stuff and it just comes right out of your mouth?
Don't you know that that's hurtful?
That's hurtful to call people narcissistic.
And I'm like, and you're manipulative.
And so we got along because I was just so direct with him.
And I said, Gary, And then he gets angry.
Kapal not, Michael.
All right.
All right.
So anyway, you want me to write a book about you.
But you know what?
You found online that some of my background and my reputation is very important to me.
You know, all those special forces guys you saw online.
If I write a book, they're going to read it.
And if I write something that's untrue, guess what?
They're going to look at me like dirt.
You know what I mean?
And their opinion of me is important to me, right?
You know what I mean?
That's my buddies.
You know what I mean?
And so you tell me some wild stories and I don't know if they're true or not.
And you know something I'm famous for, Gary?
What I'm famous for is being able to read people in a really very serious way.
I'm famous for that, right?
And I said, you love to tell travel stories.
I love to tell travel stories.
I love to listen to travel stories.
And I love to read people.
I'll tell you what, You've told me all these places you've traveled.
Why don't you do this?
You tell me about your travels some more, and I'll tell you if you're lying or if you're not lying.
And just start off, you know, when you left Hawaii and where did you go next, right?
So I'm setting him up.
I had memorized his passport, right?
Oh yeah, I memorized it backwards and forwards, right?
And it was like 70 or 80 entries and exits.
I've still got that spreadsheet.
And so, so he starts, you know, well, you know, then I went, you know, I left Hawaii.
I was like, what year did you leave Hawaii?
He goes, you know, 1997.
I'm like, you're lying.
And no, I'm not.
He goes, no, you're right!
It was 1994.
And so he got, I'm like, what year did you say you got your passport?
And then he told me it was 1993, right?
So anyway, and so then he starts, you know, going through and we go through this for a couple of hours.
And finally, he's like, I can't lie in front of you.
You're unbelievable.
I mean, you catch me in every single lie.
I'm like, Gary, I'm really good at it.
Well, you might have been concerned that he thought you had real high energy now, like magical powers, and he wanted to eat you.
He tried to kill me later, but that was much, much later.
But what ultimately happened to this guy?
He's dead.
What happened was I went, that first 18 days, that was when I memorized his passport and all that stuff.
I went back to America.
I went back to Florida.
I told the FBI, Susan Pruitt in Lakeland, Florida.
Then I went out and infiltrated that cult in Sonoma and I did some other things.
And finally, Susan Pruitt calls me up, the FBI agent.
She goes, hey, that guy just got arrested.
And I'm like, arrested, huh?
For what?
And she said, visa violation.
And I'm like, visa violation?
Well, his visa was expired.
I mean, because I knew it was in my head, right?
And I said, visa violation.
And she said, yeah, he's about to be sent back to the United States.
And we have looked into him and we think he is quite dangerous.
And do you have anything else on him?
Because you mentioned you thought that he killed somebody in San Francisco and maybe Hawaii.
And I'm like, Well, the San Francisco PD was not very helpful.
And she said, let me call him up.
And anyway, I went back down to San Francisco.
Long story short.
So I go back to I go back to India.
Right.
And he's in jail at that point.
He wasn't in jail for a visa violation.
He was in jail for trying to kill somebody.
He tried to kill somebody named Boom Boom Baba.
He tried to Boom Boom Baba.
He tried to stab him with a knife.
Right.
And so they locked him up in the jail.
And I show up to the jail and And he's like, Michael, you found me.
And I'm like, why are you in jail?
And he goes, oh, it's a long story.
And I said, well, why are you in isolation?
He goes, oh, that's a long story.
I bet I had just talked with the warden, right?
Because I was just in his office.
He's like, he's dangerous.
He tried to kill somebody in Varanasi, and then he tried to kill somebody in my jail.
And so I go up.
He was probably trying to eat their fingers.
I don't know about that.
I think he was just being violent.
And so anyway, I go up and I'm like...
So I asked the embassy what's going on, I asked the warden, I asked the police chief, his name was Dr. Kumar, he was actually a medical doctor, he became the police chief, and so I'm in his office, I'm in all these, I talk to the judge, so long story short, I start to say, you know, he's going to get released, because he actually is being held for a visa violation.
He's not being held for attempted murder, he's being held for a visa violation, and our embassy had literally asked the Indians, according to the Indians, to hold him.
I was like, that's interesting.
So our government actually asked a foreign government to hold a U.S. citizen because they don't want him back in the United States, which was just anyway.
So at one point I said, so what's going to happen to him?
They're like, well, you know, it's just a visa violation.
They're going to, you know, at some point we're just going to send him back to the United States.
And and your your government is just ask us to keep him here as long as we'll keep them.
And we'll go through the thing and then he'll be deported.
And I'm like, why don't you just give him to me?
And they're like, what?
They're like, who are you?
Are you the FBI?
Are you his family?
I'm like, no, I'm just a writer.
I told him the truth, the whole truth.
I'm just a writer.
I'm researching his life, which is quite interesting.
And I've told his dad and I've told the FBI and I've talked, I told him, I already contacted the embassy and the warden's like, yeah, just talk with the embassy.
He said, you called up?
I'm like, yeah, I'm just a writer.
And I think he killed somebody in San Francisco.
I think he, he was like, why would you want to get him released to you?
He just tried to kill somebody downtown, you know, a couple of months ago.
And he tried to kill somebody in my prison.
I said, I think I can control him.
Anyway, it's that, you know, dangerous confidence.
And so it took me a while.
It took maybe three weeks.
And then Alex Perry showed up from Time Magazine.
And Alex Perry, he became a famous work correspondent.
We ended up getting the same work correspondent award, actually, the Joe Galloway one.
And so, so Alex says, And Alex says, how did you find him?
People have been looking for him for years, for Gary, you know, and I said, if I knew how hard it was, I wouldn't have been looking for him.
That was the hardest manhunt and I ever did.
And it was really dangerous, you know, and he goes, well, how did you find him?
I said, I found him in a restaurant.
I found him just by, you know.
How do you find stuff?
You look, you know?
But I mean, hold on a second.
You're not giving yourself enough credit.
You statistically knew where he would be, and because you knew who he was, you had studied him and his patterns, you took a pretty educated guess about where he would end up.
You're like a professional tracker.
I mean, I would hate to have somebody like me tracking me.
Yeah, exactly.
Remind me not to piss you off one day.
You know what I mean?
It's like, but during different times when I've had to track things out, sometimes I'd be like, man, I, I better be a good man because eventually they might send somebody like me after me and there ain't no escape in that.
Cause you know, cause they'll look for you for 10 years, you know, they'll just wait by Sooner or later, he'll come visit this friend because he was here four years ago.
You know what I mean?
Right.
And so anyway, so they released him to me.
Now, there's a photo of this.
That just seems crazy.
I'm sorry.
I have a hard time, like, buying that.
Why would they release a guy to a civilian that, I mean, like, you're not law enforcement, you know?
I mean, that just seems like a hard sell.
It was a hard sell.
It was difficult.
And actually, Alex Perry, I told Alex, and Alex was actually quite famous in India.
We would sit down at a restaurant and people would be like, oh, Mr. Alex Perry.
And if you look up Alex Perry, and if you were able to find him, he would confirm this story.
So I said to Alex, I said, he worked for Time Magazine at the time, but he's an author now.
So I said to Alex, I said, you know what?
They're going to send him back to the United States.
I think he's going to kill his father.
And I think he's going to kill young girls as well.
And I have reason to say that.
And I think he's really going to do it.
I really think he's going to do it.
I'm going to see if they'll release him to me, and I'm going to keep questioning him and see if I get enough that U.S.
law enforcement will just lock him up, right?
So he's like, your chances of getting him, you know, released from prison are like one in a million.
He was the South Asian bureau chief of Time Magazine, Alex Perry, and I was like, Alex, you don't know me.
I'll give myself a 1 in 10 chance or even a 30% chance.
One in 10 chance won't stop me, right?
Or one in 30.
He's like, you're never going to get him released.
And I went back and I was like, whatever, man.
That wasn't a big vote of confidence.
So I went back and I went to the police, right?
I said, what do I need to do to get this guy out of your prison?
You guys don't want him.
They're like, well, you have to go talk with the warden.
So I went to talk with the warden and the warden's like, again, now I'm back in the warden again.
He's like, why would you want to, he might hurt you.
And I'm like, he might, but What are you going to do?
You're just going to end up releasing him, right?
You just want to keep him here?
You need that cell, right?
I mean...
Why don't you just give him to me?" He's like, oh, this is very extraordinary.
And I'm like, he goes, um, you need to talk with the police chief.
And I'm like, who's the police chief?
He goes, that's Dr. something Kumar, right?
So I'm like, um, can you introduce me?
He's like, yeah.
He calls up Dr. Kumar.
And so, so I researched Dr. Kumar before I go down there.
I go down to his office.
So I'm in his office and that was epic experience in and of itself.
So I'm talking with Dr. Kumar and he's like, Who are you?
Are you intelligence or law enforcement?
Are you FBI?
I'm like, no, sir.
If I was intelligence or law enforcement, I mean, we're allies with India.
I mean, I would tell you.
The embassy would have told you, right?
I am actually just a writer.
And I think he killed somebody.
And you're going to end up releasing him.
Why don't you just give him to me?
He's like, I can't do that.
Literally, while I'm sitting in his office, and his English is perfect, it's as good as, you know, he might end up seeing this interview, right?
So, Dr. Kumar, he's sitting there, he's signing these papers, and, you know, one paper after another, whatever, and there's this phone between me and him, and the lights kept going out, it's India, and this guy keeps flipping the papers, he's signing papers, signing the papers, signing the papers, and the guy, he's not even looking at the guy, the guy's flipping the papers, and he's talking to me over here, and there's the phone here, And the lights keep going out.
And I'm like, sir, can I ask what are those papers?
He goes, oh, I have to sign every, you know, disposition of the prisoners or they're going to be released or whatever.
He's not even looking at the papers.
So he's like, so it's just a bureaucratic.
He's like India, you know.
So at one point, the phone rings.
And he's angry.
He's talking in Hindi, right?
And he hangs up the phone.
At one point he had said, do you understand my English?
I was like, your English is better than mine is.
It actually was.
You know, he's like Oxford guy or something like that.
And so he had already done my research before I went in.
He had a great reputation.
He was sent to Varanasi because he was known for being Very hard to corrupt, which is very difficult to find in India, right?
That's why they put him in India, in Varanasi.
And so he had asked me before, do you understand my English?
And I said, you know, I looked into you a little bit.
Your reputation is that I've heard you've been getting in gunfights and stuff, you know, and that you're very hard to corrupt.
He's like, yes, that's why they put me here.
And anyway, this phone rings and he picks up the phone and his mood changes.
He'd been very friendly to me.
and uh and i had heard he had been getting in these gunfights and he's like he's talking in hindi and he hangs up the phone and he goes does this ever happen in your country i'm like i don't speak hindi sir i mean what's up you know he goes somebody's telling me to release one of my prisoners i said Well, who is it?
He goes, it's an MP, you know, Member of Parliament.
I said, really?
He goes, uh... I said, well, are you gonna release him?
He goes, of course not!
That's what's the problem with my country!
And my country is so corrupt!
That's the problem with my country!
My country, India, is never going to be a good country, which it should be, because everybody's so easy to corrupt!
And I'm not gonna do it!
And I said, that's...
Incredible.
I mean, so what's going to happen to you?
Because I heard that's why you got assigned here, because you are hard to corrupt, and now here it's happening.
And he goes, well, I come from a very influential family.
They can't really do anything to me, because I'm kind of bulletproof, because of my family.
And he goes, what would happen if this happened in your country?
I was like, Well, if I were sitting in a major city and the police chief got a call from a senator or something like that saying you got to release somebody from prison or you're going to be fired or something.
And he said he was not going to release the guy from prison, by the way.
But if that phone call happened in front of me, and I'm a writer, you know what I mean?
I would leave the office, I would call the FBI, and I would publish it within the hour, right?
I mean, if a U.S.
senator or representative called a police chief demanding somebody be released, now it's probably happening every day in the United States.
Yeah, probably.
I said, that's really incredible, sir, and he goes, Well, why do you want this man from my prison?
And I'm like, because I think he tried to kill somebody.
He's like, you know, he's quite dangerous, I'm told.
And I'm like, I mean, OK.
And so so he goes, well.
OK, I think you've told me the truth.
I'm like, I have.
I mean, I'm just a writer.
And and so so he goes, well, OK, I'll sign off on it.
Come back in a couple of days and I'll call the warden.
And then if the warden signs off, which he already told me he would, if the police chief did, then you have to go to the judge.
That was the last step.
So I'm in front of the judge finally.
So this is I'm telling Alex Perry, I'm like, I'm getting closer.
He's like, that judge is never going to release.
I'm like, let me do some magic, man.
So I get in front of the judge and and there's all these people crowded around.
It's like an Indian train station ticket window.
You know, I'm like, is everybody always crowd around the judge like this?
And like, you know, and he's like, Oh, so Dr. Kumar signed off.
He's such a good man.
And the warden, I've forgotten his name, he goes, he signed off as well.
But first, you must pay a fine.
And he said some huge number.
I'm like, it was a big fine.
And I look around at the guys and everybody, you can see everybody's like, you know, what's he got?
Like, what am I gonna say?
And when the judge, I was like, Sir, I don't have that much money.
I'm just a friend of his, you know?
And I said, I said some ridiculously low number.
I was like, can you do this?
I mean, just let me get him out of here.
You don't want him in India.
This guy's trash.
He's dangerous.
Let me take him.
And the judge is like, oh, you know, he's dangerous.
I'm like, yeah.
And so.
So we reduced we got a reasonable number and he signs off and and I got in I think the next day and this is where it gets interesting.
So they release him to me.
So there's these three policemen there's photos of this and I've put them on my ex before it just like a few weeks ago.
So Gary knew a lot about weapons.
Now, keep in mind, I was a special forces weapons specialist, and I had studied weapons the way I study the border and cannibals and stuff, you know what I mean?
I go into it, right?
And so, I'm quite familiar with weapons myself.
And so, and most people that think they know something about weapons, as you know, Michael, because you know a lot about weapons, most people that think they know a lot about weapons really don't know anything.
Right?
They know a .30-06 or something, you know what I mean?
And so, but Gary really did.
So, we have two policemen, and they both have infield rifles, and one police, like a captain or lieutenant, right?
And there's photos of these guys.
And Gary could talk I mean, he was unbelievable.
So he's talking with the two rifled guys.
So we'd taken the train from Varanasi to Delhi.
I had agreed with the judge that I would take him right from the jail, on the train, on the airplane, and we're out of India, and Gary shall never return.
But actually, he did return.
But anyway, so we're on the We're off the train now, and we're with a photographer from Time Magazine called Prashant.
Anyway, Prashant was from Time, because I told Alex, I'm like, I got my man, I won the bet, right?
And he's like, that's unbelievable.
And let me send my photographer, right?
So he sends this guy Prashant.
Anyway, so he sends Prashant, and Prashant's there.
Gary starts looking at the police rifles and stuff, and he goes, that's a nice uniform you got there.
Oh man, you keep that, look at your shoes, they're in such good order.
You're amazing.
And he's looking at him, he's complimenting the policeman.
The policeman's like, yes, you know.
He's going, you know, you're going to get promoted.
I can tell, you're always watching me.
You're keeping your eyes on me at all times, and you're very alert.
Look at that rifle.
It's so clean.
That's an infield.
Oh, look at the serial number.
That means such and such.
I'm like, I don't know.
Maybe it's true.
Maybe it's not.
I don't know.
I don't know that much about guns.
And Gary goes, that's a fine rifle.
Look how clean that thing is.
He goes, here, let me have that.
Gary now has the rifle, right?
And I'm like, whoa, Gary's got the rifle.
And so I get right beside him.
So you see the photo that Prashant shot, which is now on my ex, and I got my hands on my hips.
I got right next to Gary.
I'm about to knock him out.
I'm like, because Gary starts to aim the rifle.
I'm looking at the cop.
I'm like, you know, he's got your rifle.
You know what I mean?
I mean, this just seems unbelievable.
Why would a cop hand over his rifle to the guy he's supposed to be guarding?
And Prashant's taking photos.
And I said, Prashant, you know, and Prashant says something in Hindi.
And he takes his rifle back.
And I was like...
That wasn't too hard.
I mean, that was amazing what Gary could do.
I saw him do stuff like that over and over and over as time before that and after this would unfold.
So the policeman took his rifle back, and I was like, Gary, please don't do that again.
And don't call me Gary, Michael.
And there's a photo, it's on my ex, where Gary had grabbed the rifle.
He's got the rifle in his hands, and I'll send it to you.
And Prashant shot a photo, and that was when I was like, you know... Anyway, then I flew him out, and we went to Nepal, not the United States, and da-da-da-da-da-da, and then later I had him in Thailand, and then I had him in Massachusetts, right?
I literally had him in Massachusetts, in North Dartmouth, I think it was.
And actually he registered to vote and he's gonna vote Democrat of all things.
I got it all in my notes.
And at one point he's like, I'm gonna go back to India.
And I'm just like, I'm telling the FBI, I'm like, you need to, why am I doing your job?
You know what I'm saying?
Now I've got this guy in America and now if he kills somebody, everybody's gonna look at me.
I'm telling you, I think he's gonna kill little girls.
They're like, well, there's no proof of it.
I'm like, Are you out of your mind?
The guy's a straight-up cannibal.
Everybody knows it, right?
Here's a photo of him.
He took the rifle from the policeman.
You know what I mean?
It's just like, it goes on and on and on.
And they don't do anything, right?
So at one point, Gary goes, you know, I'm tired of this.
He hated Massachusetts because Massachusetts, as blue-blooded and Democrat as it is, it just doesn't get along with a cannibal from Texas, right?
And Gary's like, Gary's like, I'm going back to India.
I'm like, you can't go back to India.
How are you going to go back to India?
They just deported you, man.
And he's like, that was like six months ago or whatever.
I said, they just deported you and you're never going to get back.
He goes, Michael, you always say you can do anything if you put your mind to it.
He goes, watch this.
He goes, think about it.
Think about it.
They didn't deport me for anything other than a visa violation.
I just overstayed my visa.
That's nothing for them.
So he said, I've already mailed my visa off to the Indian embassy down in Washington.
And he got it back and it had a visa.
I was like, unbelievable.
So I took him to the airport, Logan Airport, and he flew back to India.
A couple of my friends got killed in Iraq, so I... What?
You know, my two friends got killed in Iraq, so I went off to the wars, and I never got to complete that.
And then he died in India.
I sent somebody over to check it out later.
I've got his autopsy, but... Okay, but wasn't it your job to keep him out of India?
They gave him the visa.
I'm like, you...
They gave him a visa, he ended up back in India.
So actually... I think Kumar is disappointed that you took him to the airport.
I mean, what am I supposed to do?
I mean, I'm thinking, what have I gotten myself into?
You know what I mean?
Of course, back then I still thought law enforcement were serious people like me.
You know, I'm deadly serious, right?
And I was still in the mindset that these people are serious.
If they're the FBI, they're the best, right?
And I'm just like, what's going on here?
And law enforcement, I'm like, look, he drinks from a skull.
You know, it's like, look at the photos that he's got.
You know, he's making stew out of people.
And literally, so he ends up back in India.
So if you read that in 2005, he would have been back in India.
Somebody had to have been in India.
His name in the interview was exactly as you said, it was Kapal Nath.
Yeah, so in 2005, I was in combat.
That was when Bruce Willis was reaching out to me to do that movie about the Iraq War, right?
So I had gone off to the war, and he would message me sometimes.
He'd be like, hey, I just saw you on television and stuff like that.
When are you coming back to India?
And I'm like, approximately never, you know?
But anyway, and I think he ended up, I think he got poisoned.
I'm unclear about that, but I have reason to believe that.
Well, he said in this interview, he said that he went back to America.
He said they had heard about me being a cannibal.
They put me in some mental institution, tried to medicate me.
He said he was really pissed off because they took all his skulls and bones that were thrown away by the guards.
He had a skull with fangs that he said was priceless.
He said it was from a retarded person.
I mean, this, you know, Michael, to a person listening to this, they're like, if If we didn't know you, the average person would think you're making it all up.
But I know you're not, because I've known you.
All these names, Alex Perry, Prashant, it's all there, man.
It's all there.
I know.
These are easy people to find.
That's what's extraordinary.
But look, there's something I've been wanting to ask you.
Thank you for sharing all of that.
By the way, your ability to remember the details of this is just extraordinary.
Absolutely extraordinary.
Now I understand why you're such an avid reader.
See, that's what I am known for, is my memory.
I'm not the expert at reading people, but I did memorize his passport.
Well, yep, exactly.
So I want to ask you about vampirism.
Because there are many credible, even mainstream media stories about people today that are vampires.
And they're not, you know, they don't pretend to be Dracula.
They're people who literally They describe themselves as having a medical condition where they need to consume human blood in order to be okay.
It's like a metabolic disorder, in their view, and they source out and routinely consume human blood.
Have you encountered anything about this in your travels?
Uh, no, but Gary and others would talk.
I mean, I've read about that stuff.
I mean, I do think it, it does exist.
Uh, and again, seriously, my Overton window is not like other people's Overton windows because I go to these places.
It's quite real that when I was warning about cannibalism, it will be here.
Like, that's not a question whether or not maybe there's going to be some cannibals.
I can assure you I've been down in the dairy and gap.
I see people coming through.
I've seen a couple come through.
I'm like, that guy might be in a gory actually.
I've actually asked a couple of them.
I've actually asked a couple of them.
But anyway, Gary the Cannibal, he would go, I hate vampires.
And I remember the first time he said that, I was like, why do you hate vampires?
You know, that was kind of an outburst.
And he goes, because they're competition.
Oh, my God.
He had a sense of humor like that.
It was quite dark, but it was also Kind of hilarious in a cannibal hunting sort of way but you know things like um and he would say all the time you know everybody's a cannibal Michael you know I mean when you cut your finger and you drink the blood out of your finger and you know that's cannibalism it's called you know not autophage like fasting but um Yeah, it means like autophagy.
No, there's auto-cannibalism, right?
He's like, you know, trees are cannibals.
When the leaves fall off and they go into mulch, they go back into the roots.
He's like, everything's accountable.
He had thought this through, you know what I'm saying?
Okay, that's pretty wild.
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Everybody knows that this is a season of high risk for terrorism attacks domestically, for sabotage against America internally, by different groups who have different motivations.
You know, some of them might be from the Middle East, and they hate America for America's support of Israel.
Others, they might be Antifa or radical left-wing groups, and they hate America because, well, they're Marxists and they're communists.
Or some people hate Trump.
Some groups just they just hate the American flag.
They hate freedom.
I don't know There are all kinds of psychos and mentally ill individuals out there and violent terrorists, and we need to be prepared with some basic, common sense, readiness items.
That's food.
Be prepared for a nuclear event.
You know, Iowa sat right here.
This is potassium iodide.
This is FDA approved for emergency use in a radiation fallout event.
We've got that.
And we've also got other forms of iodine available at the store right now.
We've got the things that can help you get through what's coming.
That's all.
Help you get through what's coming.
The whole world's not gonna come to an end, folks.
We can get through this together.
We just have to be ready, have some common sense, be wise.
You know, keep a level head.
Whatever happens, it's good to know.
You know, hey, we can handle that.
Grocery stores are shut down?
No problem.
We've got our own backup food.
Oh, electricity is down for a few days or a few weeks?
Guess what?
We've got backup water supplies.
We've got water filters, or we have a way to survive.
That's all.
That's what I'm saying, is just be ready with all kinds of different strategies for survival.
Right, Rhodey?
Yeah, come on up.
What do you have to say about survival?
Yeah, come on up.
Yeah, you're a good boy.
We got Rhodey here.
He's also all in for survival.
As long as it involves lots of ring toys, then he's gonna be okay.
You good?
Yeah?
Okay, that's what I thought.
Yeah.
He's all into survival, especially self-survival.
But folks, be ready for disruptions.
This is also the season of false flag operations.
So we're facing many threats from many different parties, most of whom really want to destroy America.
And we have to make sure that we don't let them do that.
We need to stand strong and defend this country, defend our communities, defend our rule of law.
And we can't do that if we're, you know, in line at a food bank or starving to death or suffering an infection.
We don't have medicine or natural medicine.
You know, we need to be able to defend ourselves.
And from that place of strength, then we can help defend our communities and defend our constitutional republic at the same time.
So food, healthy food, healthy supplements, superfoods, natural medicine, natural remedies, all of these have a very important role to play in making sure that you are strong and healthy and capable of helping to defend your nation against whatever threats come, whatever happens.
We're going to be tested.
This is an existential threat time for our constitutional republic.
And we're going to be very fortunate to get through this unscathed.
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