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Aug. 15, 2024 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams

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DCTV interviews Aaron Day on DEFEATING CBDCs, achieving mass human freedom...

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	Thank you.
	Welcome to today's Decentralized TV interview and episode here on BrightTown.com, the free speech video platform.
	And wow, we have a great guest for you today coming up, Aaron Day of the Daylight Freedom Foundation, who's got some really important things for you to hear about the future of crypto.
	But first, of course, my co-host today, Todd Pitner.
	Welcome to the show, Todd.
	Great to see you.
	Hola!
	Always, always a blast.
	My favorite time of the week, Mike.
	Oh, me too.
	I love doing this show with you.
	Are you ready for today's guest?
	I am.
	You know that we have had circumstances to where this has been delayed twice.
	So I've been ready.
	This will be my third time.
	Oh, like you're triple ready.
	Yeah, I'm triple ready.
	You better watch out.
	Well, then let's not keep our guests waiting.
	Let's bring him in.
	Aaron Day, without any hesitation, the website is daylightfreedom.org.
	Welcome, Aaron Day.
	It's great to see you here.
	Great to see you.
	Thank you for having me.
	It's an honor to have you on and thank you for your patience as we did reschedule before.
	But let's begin with a quick intro to our audience.
	You've been very influential in this space.
	You've got a lot to share with us today.
	Give us a quick background, if you would, please, about what brought you to who you are and what you're doing today.
	Sure.
	I'm a serial entrepreneur.
	I started my first company almost 30 years ago, sold that, became an investor for a little while.
	Then I started a healthcare company, which was destroyed by Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, and the DOJ. I wasn't specifically targeted.
	I was just collateral damage.
	So that kind of radicalized me and turned me into a hardcore liberty activist.
	So I moved to New Hampshire.
	As part of the Free State Project, I eventually became the chair of the Free State Project.
	So the Free State Project is a movement to get 20,000 people to the live free or die state of New Hampshire and to make it the beacon of liberty on earth.
	I got involved in a lot of political activism, helped to get 100 candidates or so elected.
	I've run for political office myself.
	I exited politics, kind of gave up on it.
	Completely and decided to move, work and focus on alternative solutions outside of the political system, really focused on crypto.
	I learned about crypto in 2012 through the Free State Project and had been using it.
	And then in 2019, I exited the banking system entirely.
	So I've been living on crypto now.
	Since 2019.
	So I exited politics, working fully on crypto, then COVID hits, and then all of a sudden I see that some of my friends here in New Hampshire are being targeted by the federal government.
	Jeremy Kaufman, who started a company called Library.com, had his company destroyed by the SEC. Ian Freeman, who I learned about Bitcoin from, actually went to his sentencing hearing with my wife.
	He was sentenced to eight years in federal prison.
	We're selling Bitcoin.
	And so I wanted to look into that and figure out, well, what's going on?
	Why are we having COVID tyranny?
	Why are they going after all these crypto people?
	I'm sorry to interrupt, but your audio is getting a little bit muffled when you're off the access of the mic.
	Can you maybe position that mic more directly in front of your mouth?
	Did you hear that, Todd?
	I did, yes.
	It was getting really muffled for whatever reason?
	Okay.
	All right, are we better now?
	Oh, wait.
	That's much better.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	So, anyway, my friends were either having their businesses destroyed or were being thrown in prison, and I looked at, well, what is the root cause of this?
	And on the crypto side, what I found is that there's actually been a huge effort to implement CBDCs globally and in the United States.
	And this is actually started in 2015, but it really kicked off in 2019.
	And essentially, they are going after using a whole of government approach to shut down crypto because they've essentially already built a CBDC.
	So once I realized how far along and mature these things were, I realized that this is the single biggest threat to human liberty.
	Once the government can program, monitor and censor your money, it basically is the end of free will.
	They can basically drive and determine your behavior.
	So I wrote a book about this called The Final Countdown.
	And I even ran for president because not because I thought I could win, but because I wanted to bring awareness to this issue because I believe this issue is that important.
	I didn't win, as you may or may not know, but I was able to talk to many of the other presidential candidates.
	I've visited 22 states, and now I'm doing workshops across the country where I'm not only teaching people about the threat of CBDCs and the imminent failure of the dollar, but I'm empowering them by teaching them how to use crypto, gold, and silver on a day-to-day basis, because that's the way out of the system.
	We're not going to beat the system at the ballot box.
	We're going to beat the system by using alternatives.
	Wow, so our audience is going to love your message here, and I can already tell there's no way we have enough time to talk to you about all the things we want to ask you.
	Todd, I'm going to let you chime in and field the first question, but my goodness, I love Aaron's message here.
	Where do you want to begin, Todd?
	Yeah, the final countdown.
	So it's crypto, gold, silver, and the people's last stand against tyranny by central bank digital currencies.
	So I want to unpack CBDCs, Aaron.
	To the average NPC, it seems there's really nothing to see here.
	I mean, gosh darn it, Aaron.
	You know, the government is just benevolently trying to help us simplify our financial lives with CBDCs, are they not?
	Well, there are actually kind of two parts to that.
	The first is what people, if they're aware of CBDCs at all, what they're worried about is they don't like the idea of the government being able to track their transactions, to be able to censor them based on political speech, or to cancel their account.
	And the reality is we already have that with the existing financial system.
	If you do an analysis of the terms and conditions of your bank, you will find that they can cancel your account without cause.
	They can change fees.
	They can and do share and sell your information.
	They're currently working with the IRS using AI to track what we spend to make sure we're paying our taxes.
	And then they can change the terms and conditions at any point in time.
	So I want to set that apart because most of what people are worried about With CBDCs we already have.
	And so in reality, the real issue isn't the threat of CBDCs in the future.
	It's the current threat of the existing system.
	But CBDCs go to the next level.
	CBDCs add a level of programmability where they can program in and determine what it is you can and cannot buy.
	When you can buy and sell things, how you can use your money.
	And the intention is to tie the central bank digital currency to social credit systems and digital IDs.
	And in fact, the longer term view of this is actually a movement to create one global digital currency and have that currency backed by energy credits, which I can go into whatever level of detail you want on that, but it's provably true.
	This is basically the The end goal of the technocratic movement, which they've been working on this very diligently for about 50 years.
	So people should be horrified about CBDCs because regardless of what your issue is, if your issue is food freedom, if your issue is vaccines, whatever political issue you have, you're going to have a hard time expressing yourself or making any changes if the government can actually control your behavior by shutting off Your money.
	But it actually goes even worse than that.
	It's not even just about money itself.
	They're building a system Where not only will you have central bank digital currencies, but they're going to do what's called tokenizing your assets.
	They're going to create tokens that represent your ownership in stocks, bonds, your car, your house.
	And they're going to put that on the same system, on the same ledger as CBDCs, which means that all of your assets, including your money, will be able to be monitored, programmed, and censored by multiple third parties.
	And confiscated.
	And confiscated.
	There you go.
	I'm sorry for interrupting.
	I was just going to say I used the term to the average NPC non-playing character on purpose just because I wonder, and I'd love your opinion, I am very, very cynical that there are more than maybe 10% of the world population who That may even give a crap about a CBDC. And that's what really concerns me is people are just looking for the convenience and it's just like,
	this is great!
	You mean my house is going to be tokenized?
	That's great!
	And then the controlled media is not going to be speaking truth to power.
	So what do we do about that?
	I mean, that's a tough question, I know, but...
	Todd, these are the same people who just lost access to their refrigerators when the CrowdStrike bug happened.
	Or they lost access to their front door when AWS had an outage or Google had an outage.
	They've overly invested in technology without any understanding of where it's going.
	Sorry to interrupt.
	Aaron, feel free to chime in.
	I think I saw a Cato survey on this.
	Half Americans don't even know what a CBDC is.
	But I think like everything else, like any new idea or new technology, the key is to start off with the innovators and then move to the early adopters and then move to the early majority.
	So there's a process to this.
	So you're not going to wake everybody up.
	It wants by by hitting the masses.
	You've got to find the early adopters.
	But what I will say, and this is why I'm actually part of the Brownstone Institute.
	I'm a fellow at the Brownstone Institute.
	What I found is when I do these workshops and we're now scheduling 17 workshops across the United States, I do four hour workshops.
	And I educate people on CBDCs, on fiat, and on the great taking, and then I teach them how to use these alternatives.
	And there are tens of millions of people that have been radicalized by COVID. And then not only were they radicalized by COVID, but they have experienced directly the impacts of inflation, and now they're starting to ask questions about the Federal Reserve.
	So what's interesting is you might think, well, this guy's talking about crypto, and he's talking about some of these other things.
	I was in Silicon Valley, and I would say that the average demographic that I was speaking to are boomers that had never had crypto before.
	But they certainly recognize the problem, and they understand the threat.
	So does the majority know what's going on?
	No, but I think maybe 15 to 20%.
	And that 15 to 20%, if we can get to them, educate them, and empower them, Then when they try to roll out CBDCs in an emergency, we will not only have an alternative, but we'll already have kind of an army of people that have been empowered to do something about it.
	I'm sorry, my last question, Mike, and then it's all yours.
	Can you describe to people then...
	Describe a future where authorities hold unparalleled power to surveil, control, and manipulate the financial system.
	What's that look like, Aaron?
	Well, I mean, it looks like China, although we kind of already are living in it, and we're not even aware of it to a certain degree.
	But, you know, essentially the way that it looks is, if you imagine the UN 17 Sustainable Development Goals, look at those as elements of a social credit system.
	Basically, everything you do, what food you eat, where you work, where you live, your education, healthcare, all of that is programmed into a social credit system.
	The social credit system is tied to your carbon usage.
	The currency itself is based on carbon.
	This is how you get into a situation where We're good to go.
	Picking scientists and engineers to make decisions for us.
	So at a really high level, what this means is this is a system that doesn't recognize individual rights and doesn't recognize property rights.
	This is truly how these people think.
	They think that unless we have the best scientists and engineers applying technology to the human condition, Humanity is going to destroy itself.
	And so therefore, they have to come in to save everyone and basically put in place all these systems for us.
	This is literally what their ideology is.
	Aaron, and by the way, your mic was kind of getting muffled again there for whatever reason.
	You mentioned that one of the triggering factors that might push people into CBDCs would be some kind of a financial crisis.
	Many of us, especially our viewers, believe that such a crisis may be deliberately engineered or just pushed over the edge on purpose in order to achieve that.
	And also notably, under a CBDC, of course, the powers that be can create an unlimited number of new coins or tokens or whatever they call it, right?
	So it's not an honest ledger.
	They can create, quote, money, and they can devalue whatever tokens you already have.
	What do you think would be the kind of event that might occur either deliberately or inadvertently that would be used to try to motivate people to move over into a CBDC?
	Well, first of all, they'll bring it in an emergency.
	I don't think this is going to be something that's rolled out piecemeal, and I don't think it's going to be something that's rolled out voluntarily.
	It's going to be like the Patriot Act.
	Which I think passed in like 45 days, or TARP, which passed in 18 days, or the CARES Act, which passed 16 days after COVID was declared a pandemic on a voice vote.
	So they will use an emergency.
	As to the type of emergency, it could be literally anything.
	And frankly, there's enough stuff going on in the world right now that it could happen at any point in time.
	But I think that where you're going to get the easiest kind of bipartisan support is going to be around terrorism.
	Even right now, because a lot of people will say, oh, the Republicans are great on this.
	We need to pick one way or another politically.
	If you look at all of the bills that have gone through...
	The Republicans in the Congress, all of them have either given more power to the banks or they're putting in language around terrorism and money laundering, which basically make it so that there are more reporting requirements and more what's known as know your customer anti-money laundering laws, more hurdles to being able to access and use crypto.
	This is actually being led by the Republicans.
	So, I mean, it could be some combination of a terrorist attack, a cyber attack, some issue regarding the border, but I think it would get bipartisan support in an emergency just based on the legislation that people are already putting through Congress on the Republican side of things.
	And certainly the Democrats are already on board with this, so there's no convincing there.
	It is current government policy.
	Under President Biden's Executive Order 14067 for the U.S. government to explore a CBDC and to use a whole-of-government approach to regulating all digital assets.
	And they've been doing that.
	They've been going after people all over the place.
	My friend Ian Freeman is in federal prison, which I mentioned.
	Roger Ver is in Spain.
	They're trying to extradite him on a 10-year-old situation related to taxes.
	There are people that do coin mixing services that are in prison.
	The SEC, CFTC, Treasury have all been going after people extremely aggressively, and it's ramped up in the last 120 days.
	The reason that they're doing that is they want to make sure that when they roll out CBDCs, there's no alternative that people can use.
	Really important point that you just made there.
	The know your customer rules obviously are very tight and there's a lot of crackdowns on Monero or privacy coins, trying to get those out of the centralized exchanges.
	I've seen more and more banks asking questions if people are trying to wire money to buy gold or silver, right?
	So somebody's trying to wire $50,000 and the banker's like, what is it for?
	What is it for?
	And if they say gold, then the banker gets all paranoid.
	Oh, you can't use your money to buy gold, things like that.
	But is Bitcoin going in the right direction itself?
	Because from what you mentioned to me earlier, before we started recording, you also have some concerns about what's happening with Bitcoin.
	Speak to us about that, if you would, please.
	So Bitcoin, I got my first Bitcoin in 2012, and it was a magical experience because with my previous startups, I'd always had issues with either payment processors or some kind of issue.
	So the ability...
	To use digital cash and have it sent instantly for a fraction of a penny with no state involvement or bank.
	It was a magical experience.
	And that experience was intentionally hijacked over a period of years.
	And I'm going to hold up another book.
	I don't know if you'll be able to see it very well.
	But anyway, it's called Hijacking Bitcoin by Roger Veer.
	And Roger, who's been involved in Bitcoin since 2010, he earned the nickname Bitcoin Jesus because he gave so many people Bitcoin.
	He was the first company to take Bitcoin.
	He was the first investor in a Bitcoin company.
	He wrote this book and published it in April explaining how Bitcoin had been hijacked by entities that want to keep Bitcoin deliberately slow and expensive and to basically change the narrative of Bitcoin from being P2P digital cash that people can use for payments to this now new.
	it's digital gold and it's something that you buy through BlackRock or through Fidelity.
	And he outlines in incredible detail what happened, who was involved, what their motivations were.
	And so it seems very clear not only were they successful in doing that because now there's this conference going on right now in Nashville where people are celebrating political candidates and BlackRock and all of these institutional investors and things that Bitcoin was actually designed to replace.
	That's what these people are celebrating.
	But the most onerous thing that I found about this is that the very same people that funded the changes in Bitcoin to make it slow, expensive digital gold funded all three U.S. CBDC pilots.
	So what I'm suggesting is not only is Bitcoin not the solution to CBDCs, it was intentionally hobbled by the very same people that have created CBDCs in the United States.
	Wow.
	Todd.
	Your reaction?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, that segues into another question I have nicely.
	You know, in economics, Gresham's law observes that bad money drives out good.
	And for freedom-minded individuals like us, I submit that privacy coins like Monero, Firo, and Epic Cash are good crypto money.
	But if you take a look at the charts for privacy coins, they haven't performed very well.
	And it seems that the surveillance crypto...
	Anything that can be surveyed, you know, Bitcoin is a surveillance coin, is by far preferred by the masses.
	Is that just Gresham's Law at play, Aaron, or is it just because they've orchestrated it this way?
	Yeah, it's propaganda and censorship.
	I don't think that it's a market-based force.
	It is what is driving Bitcoin's price at all.
	I mean, again, at this point in time, it's actually pretty absurd if you think about something that was meant to be peer-to-peer cash.
	And what are people doing?
	They're buying shares in a WEF company like BlackRock into a financial instrument.
	BlackRock doesn't even hold the crypto.
	Coinbase is who BlackRock supports.
	So at no point in time are people that are buying Bitcoin ever going to touch, see, or use a Bitcoin.
	And when they sell their ETF, they get fiat back.
	I actually submit that they allow the ETFs because it's going to make it easier to confiscate Bitcoin.
	It will be easier to confiscate Bitcoin through an ETF than it was for FDR to confiscate gold back in the 1930s.
	So there's a lot, you know, most of the noise.
	So when I do these workshops across the country, I ask people a number of questions.
	And there's something that's really important to note.
	Only.4% of Americans used crypto to make a purchase in the last 30 days.
	And this is down.
	A couple of years ago, 2% of Americans used crypto.
	So the actual use of crypto as currency has absolutely plummeted.
	So when I travel around the country and I meet with these groups of people, most of them have never, not only have they never used crypto to buy something, they're not even aware that crypto can be used as a currency, that that's even a possible use case.
	And then I ask people a question.
	I do kind of some informal polling as I go through the different sections.
	More people in the general public are familiar with Sam Bankman Freed than with Satoshi Nakamoto, the anonymous creator of Bitcoin.
	Most people don't know it's a currency at all.
	Most people think it's a speculative asset and most people actually have a negative opinion about it as a speculative asset.
	So in the broader scale here, we're talking about a situation where only 0.4% of the population is even using this and most people have a completely warped And Aaron, when you just mentioned that BlackRock, they aren't even taking custody.
	Where do they hold it?
	Coinbase.
	Coinbase.
	So you cannot tell me when we see Satoshi's white paper and we read that the supply is $21 million and it's capped, there will only be $21 million.
	What are your thoughts on fractional reserve and rehypothecation of Because I guarantee you the supply is 2 to 3x 21 million.
	What say you?
	Fractional reserve crypto.
	I agree with that entirely.
	I mean, I think that's actually probably already before Black Rocket got involved.
	That was probably already the case with exchanges.
	Yes.
	Because it's not as though exchanges were required to or there was any validation of whether or not they even had the reserve.
	So I think you've actually had some fractional reserve stuff going on with Bitcoin anyway.
	But I will say, I don't actually think that the $21 million supply cap will even hold.
	If you look at the history of Bitcoin and how it was hijacked, the changes that have been made to Bitcoin should never have been made.
	They completely violated the entire economic system and the structure of Bitcoin in a way that really killed the utility of it.
	But they could just as easily decide to vote to create more than 21 million coins.
	And there are some Bitcoin core developers that have already called for that.
	So I believe that the million cap is a myth in two different ways.
	It's a myth already because...
	It's true.
	BlackRock, they're not reporting all of this stuff on chain.
	So there's already shenanigans going on with BlackRock.
	There's shenanigans going on with the exchanges.
	But I also don't even think that the intent is there.
	And it's very possible that if the price dropped...
	Because the whole point...
	I want to take a step back.
	The whole point of miners, the people that process these transactions for Bitcoin, getting these mining rewards was as a subsidy.
	Until such time as there were enough people using the Bitcoin network to generate transaction fees for the miners.
	So the long-term goal of Bitcoin was not for people to make money speculating on the coin itself.
	The long-term value of this for the miner was to be processing millions of transaction fees every 10 minutes and making very small amounts of money on those millions of transactions that go through the system.
	But now that's all completely lopsided.
	Now that it's digital gold, there aren't many transactions.
	It only does at most seven transactions per second.
	And so when the price drops, the only thing that's pumping up the price is speculation.
	When the price drops, you're going to have people with billions of dollars of computer equipment all over the world.
	They're going to start losing money because there aren't enough transaction fees to justify the energy and effort that they're putting into mining these coins.
	All right.
	Wow.
	A very important observation there.
	I think you're right on the money with that.
	Let me pivot just slightly and ask you about the, even if the powers that be try to roll out a CBDC, we've just seen recently with the CrowdStrike problem, the Microsoft problem, that I think 8.5 million servers or high-end workstations were bricked, essentially.
	Many of those in government, by the way.
	Is our government today, let's say the U.S. government, do they even have the technical expertise to roll out a CBDC that would work?
	I mean, given the food stamp SNAP program fails routinely, the FBI background check for buying firearms, the NICS system fails routinely, the snail mail vanishes routinely.
	Could they even roll out a system like that?
	And wouldn't it only take one big failure or For people to say, wait a second, I have a wallet, I can't access it, can't use it, the money's gone, I'm not going to trust the system.
	What's your take on that?
	This is a very important point.
	The CBDCs are not being created by the government.
	This is not like the Obamacare website.
	The CBDC pilots in the United States were funded by the largest banks and the wealthiest banks in the United States, funding the best technical talent in the world, including people out of MIT and including developers that worked on Bitcoin itself.
	So the only involvement the government has in rolling out a CBDC is Congress passing a bill written by bankers that they don't even read.
	That's actually the only requirement for government in all of this process.
	The actual development of it is being done by people that are actually competent and that are already running the system.
	And another thing that I would say about this, a lot of people will say, well, don't ever roll out of CBDC because that will put the banks out of business.
	Now all of a sudden people will have accounts at the Central Bank and the Federal Reserve and people won't be using J.P. Morgan anymore.
	But that's not true.
	That's not how these have been rolled out.
	The way these have been rolled out is similar to the current system.
	The Federal Reserve will issue CBDCs to the banks, and then the banks will continue doing their same business in the same way.
	It's just that we'll have all of this new programmability and this new surveillance on top of that.
	Aaron, I'm sorry to interrupt, but also, your mic's getting a little bit muffled again, but...
	I just want to ask you this, because right now when banks fail, because banks, even JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, Bank of America, whatever, they suffer all kinds of process failures.
	One day you can't take money out of an ATM. You can't send a wire.
	But people have a fallback position, which is cash, right?
	So at a grocery store, if their transactional infrastructure goes down because it doesn't work with the banks that day or the e-commerce provider, Then they say, well we'll take cash.
	But if cash is outlawed, which I assume would be part of the CBDC transition, and the CBDCs go down, wouldn't that be a panic moment for the American people?
	It would be a panic moment for the American people, but the truth of the matter is that in 2020 there were 35 countries at the exploration stage of looking at CBDCs.
	Only China had really done any development.
	Today, 134 countries representing 98% of the global GDP are working on various phases of CBDCs.
	11 countries have already rolled out CBDCs.
	There are more CBDC accounts now than crypto accounts.
	So, yes, is there a risk of centralization?
	Is there a risk that the thing could fail?
	Absolutely there is, but that doesn't mean they're not going to do it.
	I see.
	Furthermore, what they're developing as a system is...
	It's not quite like the CloudStrike situation.
	It's not a centralized database.
	It's not like Bitcoin in the sense that it's not a permissionless system, but it is using technology that is more resilient than any of these centralized systems.
	This isn't a Microsoft situation that's underlying this technology.
	It is using some blockchain technology and some decentralization, and they have put in plans for significant redundancy, which isn't to say that It won't fail, but remember, the same people that are funding this are the same people that are running the current system, so they do have some experience.
	And the overwhelming majority of financial transactions that go on every day in America are digital transactions.
	Right.
	Aaron, you mentioned that Bitcoin has been hijacked to make way for CBDCs.
	As Mike and our viewing audience know, I have an absolute obsession for understanding who are they when guests speak about the elusive they.
	So who specifically are they who have hijacked Bitcoin, Aaron?
	So Bitcoin...
	Up until about 2015, the development was funded by a nonprofit called the Bitcoin Foundation, which was a community-based project.
	It had some of the developers, people like Roger Ver, and that's how they were funding development.
	That organization ran into some financial difficulties, and the group that came in and picked up the slack was MIT. Specifically, the person involved in this that was spearheading this is a guy by the name of Joy Ito.
	Joy Ito was the head of the MIT Multimedia Lab.
	He also created a venture capital firm called Digital Garage that invested in a number of private blockchain companies.
	Ito did a couple of things that were interesting.
	He funded some of the changes to Bitcoin through his venture capital arm.
	So he funded some of what's called SegWit and Lightning Network, and I won't go into all the details on that.
	But he also funded all three U.S. CBDC pilots.
	So MIT was involved in all three of the pilots through Joy Ito's group.
	And interestingly, one of the funders of Joy Ito, both at the MIT Media Lab and some of his private funds, is none other than Jeffrey Epstein.
	So this situation gets worse the more you dig into it.
	So that is one branch of who they are, but then there's another branch, and Roger doesn't talk about this in his book, there's a group called Blockstream, Which is a group of some of the core developers of Bitcoin that started a for-profit company.
	This for-profit company raised money from a number of sources, people, you know, MasterCard, venture capital firms.
	Their largest initial investor was AXA Financial.
	The CEO of AXA was also the president of the Bilderberg Group at the time.
	So this was the lead investor in Blockstream.
	And what Blockstream builds are what are called second layer solutions.
	So basically Blockstream benefits By Bitcoin being slow and expensive so that they can build for-profit second layer solutions on top of it.
	So you have a combination of interesting things going on.
	So you have this big finance, Bilderberg-funded group that's paying core devs to keep it slow, and then you have This Joy Ito guy funding some of the changes that cement Bitcoin being slow and expensive at the base layer, all while simultaneously funding all three of these U.S. CBC pilots.
	That just gets you up to 2019.
	From there, you still have Blockstream as one of the primary funding sources, but now you have BlackRock and Michael Saylor getting involved, and you have Jack Dorsey from Twitter now heavily involved as well.
	Jack Dorsey, as I'm sure your audience knows, was one of the leading participants in the censorship industrial complex working with multiple three-letter agencies to hand over our information and censor our content on social media.
	Now he's one of the main players in this.
	At this point in time, at this moment in time, The leading voices in Bitcoin are Michael Saylor, kind of Larry Fink, and Jack Dorsey.
	So I look at this as there have been three different hijackings at various points in time, but it started in 2015 and was ongoing.
	And for our audience, you should know that Blockstream, if you're thinking that you're doing anything private with Bitcoin, Blockstream generated $100 million to their bottom line last year, 2023, by selling information about Bitcoin transactions.
	That's why Bitcoin is a surveillance coin.
	There's nothing private about it, folks.
	No, and I want to say something else.
	I've shifted.
	I live on crypto, as I said, and I onboard people in these workshops.
	What I'm actually recommending now for people is Monero and Zeno, which is something that I've gotten incredibly interested in.
	In fact, I think it's the single most important technology for stopping CBDCs in something called the great taking, which I'd like to talk about in a little bit more detail.
	I think I touched on briefly, but these two are both Privacy coins.
	Zeno allows you to create privacy tokens.
	So you can tokenize assets and trade assets with anyone anywhere in the world, and that information is kept private and confidential.
	So as I mentioned before, there's this idea that they're building the CBDC and regulated liability network where they're going to tokenize all of our assets, but they're going to be able to control them centrally.
	Zeno is the opposite of that.
	Zeno is you tokenize and own your own assets, you trade those assets, and nobody knows Who owns what asset?
	So it's basically Monero for tokens.
	And so those are the two things that I'm the most excited about, but you brought up a very good point.
	Who operates or who controls Zeno?
	Was that fair launched or is there a company or something that has created that?
	Is there a centralized control?
	Todd, didn't we do an interview with somebody from Zeno?
	I don't recall.
	I was trying to think.
	Zeno doesn't ring a bell to me, but I'm old, Mike.
	Well, if we haven't, we should.
	I think you guys did.
	So the lead developer behind Zeno was one of the lead developers behind CryptoNote, which was the technology behind Minero.
	Yes, we did.
	There you go.
	Yes, thank you.
	And so Zeno itself is an open source project.
	It did do a pre-mine.
	And there's a lot, you know, this kind of gets into the weeds.
	And, you know, three years ago, I would have been, oh, I don't like this coin because it did a pre-mine.
	But I've been involved with projects that didn't do a pre-mine.
	And a pre-mine just means just so people know that...
	Before they announce to the public that you can mine a coin where everybody can have a shot at it, they mine some for themselves.
	But in the case of Zeno, they mine some for themselves and they put it in what's called an auditable wallet so that you can actually track the use of the funds.
	And I will say I've seen many crypto projects fail.
	Because they had no funding.
	And one thing that people say is, well, because everybody refers to Bitcoin as the reference standard.
	And what I say is Bitcoin failed because it didn't have money.
	And because it didn't have money, outside forces There's a myth in open source software.
	It's almost become a religion where people have this expectation that there are these white hat developers who write code for free and there are other developers out there who audit and check code for free.
	That's not how reality works.
	So when you have an open source project, somebody's paying for those developers.
	So in this case with Zeno, we know who the developers are, and we know what the funding is, and we can actually track through their own system the funds.
	And so the project's been around for five years, and they've only spent, I think, half of whatever the pre-mine is.
	But that was one of my early concerns, and when I kicked the tires on all these projects, I really go deep.
	Roger Veer actually introduced me to Zeno, and so I... I'm like, okay, if he says this is important, then I know he's highly committed to liberty.
	So I went and did the deep dive, and I actually think it is the answer on tokenization.
	The tokenization of assets, I find that really fascinating because that would mean that somebody who has a stack of metal, let's say silver or gold, can tokenize that metal, and then they can have high divisibility in assets.
	You know, using that or transferring that or sharing ownership with others or what have you.
	Or even property, right?
	You could tokenize ownership of a piece of land or a vehicle or what have you.
	But what I don't understand is how does this alternative system compete with whatever CBDC is going to be pushed by governments and corporations and the media?
	How do we build this alternative economy successfully?
	Well, we have to start immediately.
	So we start now, and like any technological development, we have to go for the innovators.
	The first 2.5% are innovators, and then you have early adopters, which are 13.5%.
	So this isn't going to start out immediately.
	Mass market.
	It's going to start out with early adopters.
	The way that I've found that we do that is I'm traveling all over the country doing four-hour workshops, educating people on this, giving them a wallet, setting them up with tools, teaching them how to use it, and starting to get the economy going that way.
	And then hope that they actually pass it forward.
	That, to me, is the best way to do it, is to lead by example, to use it, and to start one step at a time.
	I've been doing this since 2019, but now even...
	What I've done has radically changed.
	I mean, what I use in terms of how I live on crypto today is different than it was 90 days ago and completely different than it was two years ago.
	So one of the things that I'm trying to do, and it's on the daylightfreedom.org site, is to build some tools, easy-to-use wallets and easy-to-use point-of-sale systems for merchants that can accept multiple digital assets because that's the key.
	The key to this is we have to get rid of this idea of It's my token versus this token.
	Because people in crypto fight each other.
	And then people in precious metals are like, crypto's bad.
	And so what I'm saying is I use crypto gold and silver.
	I give people gold backs.
	Whenever I go anywhere, if I go to get my hair cut, I tip people with a gold back.
	I have an online account for gold backs.
	But I want to build something where there's a point of sale system where a merchant can accept multiple currencies and then decide, well, let's say I want to get paid in only one currency.
	I get paid in a gold token.
	And so they get a gold token and they can take that gold token on a card and go to a gold back ATM and withdraw physical gold backs.
	So what I'm saying here is there's a possibility to merge and blend the best of crypto and the best of precious metals to give one solution that combines the two.
	And that's what I've been spending a lot of time in the last six weeks trying to put together those partnerships and to get people to understand that CBDCs are an existential threat to all of crypto and all precious metals.
	And precious metals, as much as, you know, I've even been involved.
	I'm an advisor to Citizens for Sound Money.
	And there are all of these initiatives to make gold and silver legal tender.
	And in Utah, gold and silver have been legal tender since 2011.
	But there's no mass adoption.
	Unless we can make this easy for people to use, having a law change doesn't help.
	You actually have to implement the solution built on the law or, if need be, work outside of the law.
	And we have to get people to actually start using these alternative currencies for day-to-day transactions.
	And it is possible.
	Yeah.
	You're speaking my language on that.
	Sorry to interrupt.
	But we as a merchant with my online store, HealthRangerStore.com, we have been trying to implement crypto solutions just to accept payment in crypto with our shopping cart.
	And it has been incredibly complex.
	We had the motivation and the intention to put it in place a year and a half ago.
	And by the way, here's a stack of goldbacks that I have, and I hand these out to everybody who shows up in my studio.
	I'm just giving them goldbacks.
	I'm like, here, use these things.
	This is real gold in here.
	I'm like you.
	I want to show people other ways to engage in transactions, but the technical difficulties are very real right now for online merchants, even when we want to do it.
	They are.
	That's why I'm working on building that.
	It wasn't my intention.
	I've got a lot on my plate already, but the truth is, just in my own experience, the point-of-sale systems that existed, a lot of them went out of business.
	And here's the issue if you're creating a point-of-sale system.
	Usually the point of sale system is it has to be open source or otherwise it becomes a centralized point of failure.
	The point of sale system also has to be something that doesn't require use of the app store.
	You can't have Google or Apple having control over the point of sale system.
	So what you have to build is something that's open source so that you can't just take out one entity and it also needs to integrate all these different assets.
	So I actually have the core technology I want to make sure that gold and silver are part of it, and I want to make sure that we have the right set of coins, because I will add something else.
	This has frustrated me hugely about the crypto space.
	When I first got crypto, it was better, faster, cheaper money, but that was in 2012.
	Venmo, Zelle, Apple Pay, Google Pay, all of these other things have been created that are faster and cheaper to use.
	So Bitcoin lost its lead as a better product.
	We have to focus on usability because right now, the people that are using crypto and using these alternatives because they want to take a stand and they understand that money needs to be separate from state and all of those other things, all of those people are already in.
	The only way to get the new people in is if the product that you're offering is as good or better.
	That is an absolute requirement.
	So that's what I'm focused on.
	Now, I've been using recently what I've been recommending is something called Cake Wallet to people as I do these workshops because Cake Wallet It has privacy coins.
	It has Monero.
	So within one wallet, I can buy gift cards, I can buy crypto, I can buy debit cards, I can use these privacy coins, and they're integrating Zeno.
	So after talking to those guys, I'm now no longer going to build a wallet.
	I actually think that what they have built is It's an open source project and they're willing to actually, I think, extend beyond and start integrating tokenized gold and silver.
	The next piece is the point of sale system.
	And a lot of that is getting the guys at gold back.
	Let me tell you.
	I'll give you an example of what some of the issues are here.
	So you just showed your stack of goldbacks, right?
	So you can go down the street.
	You can go to a restaurant.
	You can go to the barbershop or whatever.
	You can give somebody that goldback, and nobody knows that that person has a goldback.
	It's actually private money.
	But they have these online systems.
	So if I go online to use my online system, because you can pay with things through the goldback system online.
	You can set up what's called a UPMA account.
	And there are like 2,000 merchants that participate in this, and you can send people money.
	But all of that information is tracked, and all of it is in a centralized database.
	So here's the kicker.
	If you take Zeno, and you tokenize the goldbacks, and you tokenize gold and silver, you now have private tokens.
	So you could actually redeem these tokens, for instance, at a goldback ATM, and there's no KYC AML. It's actually a private token just as the physical bill itself is private.
	That is possible.
	That's what I have been very excited about.
	I actually just tokenized and sold the first goldback last week just as a trial.
	Not that, you know, doing what off is the...
	But I want to show people the use case because people say to me, well, who cares about tokens?
	Here's why you should care about tokens.
	Every asset on the planet is going to be tokenized one way or another, whether you like it or not.
	Everything that you buy today is in a database, whether it's on a blockchain or not.
	Most things are not on a blockchain.
	Most things are in centralized databases that can be hacked where there's all kinds of corruption and other issues.
	The blockchain could be either freedom or tyranny depending on how you implement it.
	If you implement it the way that the CBDC people are doing it, then you're going to have a situation where multiple third parties and regulators can seize and freeze all of your transactions and seize all your transactions and you really don't have self-custody.
	Or you could do the Zeno type of approach where you have self-custody of your own assets, which you can trade and nobody knows what your asset is or what the transactions are.
	So that's the continuum that we're looking at, but it is possible.
	It is possible to put together the right combination of partnerships and technologies to actually have something easy to use for people so that they can exit the system.
	Okay, but Aaron...
	Let me jump in here, Todd, real quick.
	But as you said earlier, the SEC and the FTC and the DOJ, they're going crazy in trying to prosecute people.
	And even one of my favorite online resources, Z Library, is being taken down.
	And I like to contribute as an author.
	I'm an author.
	I contact Z Library, like, please distribute my next book.
	I want to make sure I can get my book to you so everybody can have it for free, right?
	And they're being shut down.
	Their domains are being seized by the State Department.
	All it takes is one allegation of one criminal using one coin, and then the DOJ jumps in and says, well, now you're a money laundering operation.
	And you notice this recent attempted assassination of Trump, you heard reports that the supposed shooter guy, Crooks, that he had three overseas encrypted accounts.
	How much you want to bet those were Bitcoin, Monero, and something else that were set up probably for him so they can blame crypto for these kinds of things.
	It's so easy for them to blame crypto and then arrest everybody who's involved.
	So this is why you have to use technology that's actually decentralized privacy technology that can't be shut down.
	This is why when I mentioned doing a point-of-sale system, it's not a corporation.
	It's not a for-profit thing.
	You could come after me.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's open-source technology.
	But what I will say is you're right.
	They're going to do all of those things.
	At some point, this is why I have to do four-hour workshops and write books to go into the details about this.
	They'll paint it as, oh, you must want to traffic in children and sell drugs and you must be a terrorist.
	It's like, no, that's not it at all.
	I want to be able to buy red meat, I want to be able to buy raw milk, and I want to be able to travel.
	The privacy elements of this aren't to do things that are illegal today.
	It's as a safeguard against the fact that we know, as they've continued their march of stripping us of all of our rights, they're going to outlaw all of the things that we today take for granted and buy and trade freely.
	But this is going to require...
	We're not going to comply our way out of tyranny.
	At some point in time...
	We're going to have to decide if we want to be able to engage in voluntary trade and have free will, or if we want to live in pods and basically have all of our behavior dictated to us by scientists and engineers picked by elites.
	It's a choice.
	Right now, I'm not proposing anything that's illegal, but even still, I'd say let's get this stuff out there and get people to start using it.
	Because, you know, nobody wants what's coming down the line.
	This is why I have to do these workshops, because it's very clear what they're doing with CBDCs, because they've already implemented CBDCs.
	China already has CBDCs.
	They had 230 million accounts last year.
	We know how this works tied to social credit systems.
	We know how they're engineering them.
	All of this information is publicly available.
	We know, and I don't know if you guys have seen this.
	Have you seen the Doeconomy MasterCard?
	No, no.
	This exists in the marketplace.
	It is a mastercard co-branded with the United Nations.
	It actually has the 13 on it for the 13th Sustainable Development Goal, which is climate action.
	This is a credit card that will stop working when you use too much carbon.
	Mastercard has already inked relationships with 136 companies.
	They are already tracking carbon, they are already tying carbon to financial transactions, and they are already censoring transactions when you use too much carbon.
	And all of this is available on Mastercard's website, on Deconomy's website.
	This isn't a secret plan that I'm revealing.
	This is actually out in the open.
	This is a product.
	But MasterCard is on this.
	And this is why when you buy an airline ticket now, it tells you how much CO2. You're starting to see them integrate this piece by piece.
	Sometimes you'll even see this on receipts when you go to restaurants.
	Depending on where you are, different point of sale systems are already starting to integrate and track this.
	That is where they are going.
	And yet the whole...
	As you probably know, the whole carbon climate cult is a lie.
	I mean, carbon is not bad for Earth.
	Carbon dioxide helps plants grow.
	It's better than Brondo, actually.
	We need carbon dioxide to have food and crops and rainforests and flowers for pollinators and everything.
	And yet, they've declared war on carbon as an excuse to create a carbon police state through the mechanisms that you're describing.
	That's what we're really facing here.
	Yes, and all the while they're doing this, BlackRock and all these companies are going out and they're buying up land.
	They're buying up forests.
	Why?
	Because they're going to be able to monetize those carbon credits.
	You basically have a whole pool of multinational corporations, WEF partner companies, that are getting involved behind the scenes to front run and to have an advantage in this artificially constructed cap-and-trade economy.
	that they are creating from the top down, all based on fear and a scarcity mindset that isn't in any way tied to science or reality, but it certainly gives them power and control.
	Well, there goes my plan to charge my next private jet flight on MasterCard and have steak on the plane.
	Just blow out all the carbon credits right there.
	But I assume you can have some credits put back into your account if you say the correct things.
	So your speech will be monitored.
	You'll be forgiven for carbon sins if you vote for the right people and say the right things.
	They get your jabbed.
	You get a vaccine, you get like a thousand carbon credits, and then you're allowed to drive your car, you know, 50 miles or something.
	Yeah, I mean, so when you look at what China has implemented, they have the surveillance in AI is to the point where they can determine whether or not you attempted to put some, say you were going to put two bottles of alcohol instead of one alcohol bottle into your shopping cart, they can actually punish you based on that.
	They actually punish people for cheating on video games.
	The level of surveillance and tracking, but it's not – but then people will say, well, yeah, but that's communist China.
	Well, we get half of our AI surveillance technology from China.
	The average American has their picture taken 85 times a day from surveillance cameras.
	This is not including whatever we voluntarily take and upload ourselves.
	We have been rolling out and increasing the surveillance infrastructure.
	COVID was – people don't talk a lot about COVID and contact tracing and all of the surveillance infrastructure that was put in place.
	None of that was removed.
	So every time we get an emergency – Whatever it is, they put in place more surveillance.
	And so we're already heavily surveilled.
	So what you're talking about in terms of what it would take to roll out a social credit system on top of a CBDC isn't that much because they've been building this slice by slice over the last two decades.
	And we're one crisis away from everybody in Congress supporting whatever crazy thing.
	I mean, one crisis away.
	It's like you said before, Aaron.
	And they say never let a crisis go to waste, right?
	Now, just in the interest of time here, I want to be respectful to your time, Aaron.
	We're almost out of time.
	So, Todd, I know you've got a couple more questions.
	Where do you want to take this?
	I do, but I want to make a comment here.
	And this is to lower the...
	The intellect of this interview because I'm saying it, but just hearing everything makes me want to say, bruh, this is effed up.
	I mean, everything is nuts that I'm hearing, but I love that you're passionate about the solutions.
	You know, one of my favorite lines is, you know, in a time of crisis or whatever, sometimes it's urgent to But other times, it's urgent to do something.
	And you're a to-do-something individual, I can tell.
	And you're also one of these people that, you know, just put a line in the sand and say, no, you know, you move.
	So thank you for that.
	Thank you for your service.
	I want to take this away.
	My final question is, I'm interested in politics.
	As a presidential candidate, you've personally engaged with the highest levels politically, as you shared.
	Tell me, is it possible at all for a politician to serve in office without becoming compromised, Aaron, at all?
	No.
	And I will tell you, my connection to politics is more than my own activism.
	My stepmother started out in politics in Florida as a precinct captain in Broward County, and then she ended up the co-chair of the RNC from 2012 to 2016, and she was Trump's ambassador to Costa Rica.
	So I have seen politics for three decades up close.
	And then I've run PACs and done all this other stuff.
	There's a reason I dropped out of politics in 2018.
	And so only to come back and run for president.
	But again, I ran for president knowing that I wasn't going to be able to fix it, but I wanted to use that as a platform.
	You cannot fix where we're at.
	This would be a whole separate conversation, but I've been trying to stimulate this conversation about America 2.0 from first principles because we really need to go back and look at our foundational principles and reevaluate over 250 years and really start thinking about this because you can't unwind this.
	Part of the reason why people will say to me, well, Trump's going to win and all this other stuff.
	I'm like, listen, you're not understanding Trump.
	And once you get inside and you're directly involved in this, it'll make you sick.
	Here's the reality.
	Two-thirds of Americans can't identify the three branches of government.
	So most voters, this is a true story, are no to low information voters.
	So what actually determines the elections isn't the debates, isn't policy.
	It's the get out the vote campaign driven by the political parties.
	The Democrats have had a huge advantage since 2008.
	They have systems, they have like, I don't even remember what it is, 500 data points on every voter.
	So they know the week before the election, we've got to go to this nursing home.
	We've got to give them this flyer that says, unless you vote for this person or that person, you're going to get kicked out in the street.
	Because most people are not engaged, but those people vote.
	The Democrats have a massive advantage.
	The reason Trump did well in 2016 wasn't so much Trump, but the fact that he used Palantir to level the playing field somewhat.
	And when that was taken away, people were like, oh, well, it couldn't possibly be that Biden got all these votes.
	I'm not saying that there isn't any issues with election integrity, but I am saying people are unaware of the gap in Between the get out the vote data and AI apparatus that the Democrats have versus the Republicans and what that actually means with respect to elections.
	But with all of that said, given the apathy and the lack of knowledge of the voter and the way that the system is structured from a funding perspective, I don't see any political way out of this, which is why I exited politics to begin with and why I'm so out of it now about teaching people.
	You know, people like, well, who are you going to choose in November?
	We make thirty five thousand choices every day.
	So what choices are you going to make today?
	What are your actions going to be?
	What are your thoughts?
	What are your emotions going to be?
	How are you going to control those thirty five thousand today?
	Not just one choice in a rigged polarity contest in November.
	Right, right.
	Have you come across any politician, in your estimation, who did not become compromised, that held their values at all?
	Yeah, and they don't ascend.
	So somebody like Ron Paul, right?
	So there are people that stick to their values, and they don't climb the ranks.
	They don't get the...
	Committee chairs.
	They don't get the brass ring.
	They don't end up in a position where they can affect any power.
	So you'll have a handful of ideological people there, but in a Congress of 535 people, it's enough to give people hope in the system, but not enough to actually get anything done.
	Okay, thank you.
	I was thinking Ron Paul, too.
	He came to mind instantly.
	And you're right.
	They kept him out of power because he was known as Dr.
	No.
	Anytime the government wanted to expand and take more power, Ron Paul would say no.
	Consistently.
	A principled man.
	Okay, so Aaron, you spent a generous amount of time with us.
	We're totally impressed with what you've got going on.
	How can people follow your work and help you in your effort?
	The best way it follows me is on my website, daylightfreedom.org.
	And on that site, you can actually...
	Sign up for workshops, or if you want to help put together a workshop, there are forms there that you can fill out.
	There's a link to my book, a link to a lot of my other interviews, articles that I've written at the Brownstone Institute.
	And I will say the big thing that we need, and we talked about this at the beginning, the one thing that was fascinating, because I've been a political activist for a long time, and I've usually been able to generate some press.
	And I actually had a database with 3,000 press contacts and everything else.
	And I actually filed to run for president in February.
	And I put out a press release.
	And I've been in New Hampshire, and I'm in the first of the nation state and everything else.
	Not a single person from the press would pick up my story.
	And it's because my platform was exit banks, exit public health, exit big tech, turn off the TV and pull your kids out of public school.
	That is the basis of my campaign was I don't want your vote.
	I want you to vote for yourself by exiting the system.
	And I couldn't get a single pickup.
	And I think the most threatening part of it is actually exiting the banks because I know people are very sensitive to, frankly, The over-leveraged house of cards nature of our financial system.
	So once you realize 1% or 2% of the people pulling their money out of the bank and the system collapses, that's cause for concern for a lot of people.
	So I appreciate being on this and actually for your audience because the way we were hooked up is one of your viewers who I had never met before.
	I went to my form on the daylightfreedom.org site and said, look, we need help.
	The best way for me to get in front of an audience is for you to go to the people, your respected sources of information, and that's how this thing got hooked up.
	So if anybody out there is listening to this, that's the best way for this to go, is to go organically.
	This is not a big operation.
	This is me and my wife part-time and a good friend of mine.
	Shout out Sub Sovereign, who messaged me in Telegram and worked hard to set this up.
	A couple of people did, actually.
	There will be other opportunities stemming from this too.
	Some people will see this and then reach out to you, Aaron, and want to have you on.
	But in particular, I want to talk to you off camera about your e-commerce solution so that we really, really want an e-commerce solution to plug into our system that we're using right now.
	And we've got such a huge customer base who want to use crypto for all the right reasons in order to purchase products.
	And so...
	Hey, if you've got a system like that, we're all in.
	Great.
	Well, I'll talk to you about it offline.
	I may have an interim solution for you anyway that can help now while I'm building my thing.
	So I have some ideas for you I'll share.
	Okay.
	Well, I'll have my producer reach out to you.
	So we're going to wrap this portion up.
	Aaron, thank you for your time.
	Really appreciate you and what you're doing.
	And I'd love to connect with you and help support your efforts.
	And you just made some friends here on this channel and with Todd and myself as well.
	Great, thank you.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	You are a very, very impressive man, and thank you for your service.
	I mean, I hate saying that to all of these different people that not necessarily have earned it, but man, you've been leading with your chin versus your handout, obviously, and it's much appreciated.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate that.
	I really do.
	I second that.
	Okay, Aaron, well, have a great rest of your day, and Todd and I will continue with a little bit of additional commentary, but have a great day.
	Great.
	You too.
	Thanks.
	Bye.
	All right.
	Take care.
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	Welcome back to the after-party discussion.
	Todd, we've had a lot of impressive people on this show.
	I would say Aaron Day is right there at the very top.
	I'm so impressed with his knowledge base and his passion for what he's doing.
	Top three for sure.
	I mean, man, he's a force of nature in all the right ways, and you can just tell he's very, very serious about what he does.
	I mean, he is what I would consider, you know, the proverbial white hat, Mike.
	Yeah, and I think he understands the pivot points, or I should say the pressure points, of where we need to act now in order to preserve our future, or our liberty for our future.
	I was impressed he answered the who are they very specifically, one of my favorite questions, Mike.
	Yeah, true, true.
	But don't you also get the sense that we are being steamrolled by the globalists in a way that very few people fully realize?
	And all these plans to control us and imprison us and tokenize all our assets, I mean these are already well underway.
	Well, they've been underway.
	They play long ball.
	I mean, I believe this, I submit that this has been underway for literal centuries, Mike, because you know me, I believe there's a spiritual war, and I believe that these bad actors have been at it for eons.
	So they're really good at what they do.
	They are not afraid to play long ball.
	They have all the time in the world, these evil entities.
	But it does beg the question, Mike, how in the heck do we survive the digital age? - Yeah, well, good question.
	I mean, that's why we interview people on this show.
	We encourage people to learn about decentralized solutions.
	And even Aaron was talking about Xano and some other solutions, gold and silver and goldbacks and what have you.
	And also privacy crypto that you and I are fans of privacy coins.
	I mean, but number one is to be aware of what's going on.
	Otherwise, you can't maneuver.
	Yeah, that's 100% correct.
	And I really liked his message, too, that enough of the A team, B team, red team, blue team.
	We all, no matter what privacy coin you are or whether you're a gold dude or silver guy or whatever, You know, let's all roll up our sleeves together and figure this out together.
	That's the only way that we have a chance.
	Because they're very together, right?
	When you think about it, he was talking about the 2008 where they started getting all organized with their get out the vote.
	I mean, they are really organized.
	And I don't think we are, necessarily.
	Well, also, I would add that There is some catastrophic financial collapse coming.
	Aaron sort of insinuated that as well.
	The dollar is going to collapse.
	Just like every world reserve currency that has come before us, eventually it lost that status.
	Doesn't mean it went to zero, but Our dollar is, I mean, the rise of the BRICS currencies right now is going to be threatening the dollar.
	And with all the money printing and the de-dollarization that's happening globally, I mean, come on, the future of the dollar does not look very good.
	And that's true whether it's Biden or Kamala or Trump in the White House.
	I mean, I've said this, Trump can't stop the collapse of the dollar.
	No, no.
	Inflation is real, man.
	You know, I have to share with you, Mike, I love me a Reuben sandwich, and somebody recommended this restaurant recently, and my wife went to it, and I had me a Reuben sandwich.
	Do you know what the Reuben sandwich, that wasn't anything so special, with fries, and I had iced tea, do you know what that cost in total?
	I don't know.
	Ten bucks?
	Fifty-five bucks.
	What?
	Oh, there was a salad that came with it.
	Yeah.
	Fifty-five bucks.
	Fifty-five dollars?
	And it was kind of a whole...
	It tasted good, but that shocked me so much that I was like, whoa, honey.
	What?
	What kind of restaurant?
	Are they paying royalties to Ruben himself?
	I mean, what's going on?
	How did it cost fifty-five dollars?
	I did ask for extra cheese, you know?
	I did ask for extra cheese, but no, it was so expensive, you know?
	And that's not with a drink or anything.
	So, to me, that was just crystallizing the fact, yeah, this inflation thing, I mean, it's just nuts.
	It's stupid, really.
	I mean, a double cheeseburger at, I know you don't eat five guys, but that's almost 20 bucks.
	Just a cheeseburger, double.
	Well, take heart, Todd.
	Soon you will have the more affordable option of the Cricut McNuggets with the grasshopper dipping sauce or whatever.
	Yes, you know, we did enjoy that Daniel Vitalis episode, and I learned a lot.
	And one thing, if people go back and watch it, he was counseling me on, I think it was how to catch crickets or how to shoe off bobcats.
	I don't know, but Mike, I just wanted to give you, you know, I figured out how to catch crickets, and I just wanted your approval if you think I bought the right model.
	Okay, let's...
	That's your cricket gun?
	What?
	Yeah, that's my cricket gun, Mike.
	Let me sight that in.
	Okay, so that looks like there's a big air canister there.
	That's an air rifle, huh?
	This is a Brokock Atomic XR. Atomic?
	It is just to shoo away certain predators that want to kill other...
	So wait a minute.
	If you blast crickets with that thing, there will be no cricket left.
	You'll just have a couple of legs.
	Look, it's a convenient excuse for animal control if they ever come knocking and saying, what are you doing with that?
	I mean, it's all about crickets.
	Go watch the Daniel Vitalis interview, bro.
	Okay.
	No, but thank you, Daniel.
	In all seriousness, I did go with his recommendation, and I'm enjoying the heck out of this.
	This has kind of opened up a whole new rabbit hole for me.
	You know, I have this problem, Mike.
	We interview guests, and then I just kind of do things.
	I'm not a talker.
	I'm a doer.
	No, that's what I love about you.
	You do implement so much of what we all learn here.
	And I implement as much as I can, but not as much as you.
	I mean, you launched the food forest and everything.
	Although, I should mention, a couple nights ago, I saw a big Texas spider With a big spider web.
	And these are, I don't know what kind of spider it is, but they're massive.
	They're really big, kind of a yellow, black and yellow body.
	And it had a grasshopper that it had caught in the web.
	The grasshopper leaped in there.
	And I was like, dang if Vitalis would approve, little spider.
	It's chewing up grasshoppers, and there's plenty of those around.
	Well, you know what?
	I, too, recently, I was walking through, you know, my backyard, and I found this spider web that was just an amazing spider web, and this spider that was in the center of it.
	And the old me probably would have said, and then got a twig and went like that and just tried to...
	But I just sat and admired it.
	You know, my live life locally.
	I want to take my own advice.
	And I just admired it, and I was like, wow.
	Wow, the engineering involved.
	Just how the heck did you get that strand over to that tree?
	You know, I just don't get it.
	It's amazing, Mike.
	No, it's crazy.
	I've seen, where I live in the country in Texas, I've seen spiderwebs That are almost like floating, just floating in space.
	And I'm like, where is there a tree or anything that they're even attached to?
	And sometimes it's like 25 feet away on either side.
	And what they do is they sit upstream from the wind.
	They climb a tree, they sit upstream, and then they throw out these wind strands.
	And then the wind strands...
	Do they do it like this?
	Yeah, just like that.
	Peter Parker style.
	And then this strand catches on another tree.
	And then they pull, and they make it tight.
	And this is a construction strand then.
	And then they climb out on that, and then they drop...
	They glue onto the middle of it.
	They know where the middle is.
	They can do geometry.
	They've got Pythagorean theorem spiders now or whatever, and then they drop down, and then they attach it to the grass or a shrub.
	Now they've got three points, and then they climb back up and start making the whole web.
	It's incredible.
	It's amazing.
	Nature's amazing.
	Yeah, and they don't need electronics to get that done.
	Right.
	All right.
	So, yeah, what a heck of a guest that we had.
	I'm really grateful.
	And, Mike, I tell you what I love most, and we talked about it at the end, is that we have viewers who are very invested in this show themselves.
	They're watching every minute of our shows, and they're communicating with us.
	Anybody wants to communicate?
	In Telegram, you know, my handle is Todd Pitner, T-O-D-D-P-I-T-N-E-R. Would love any suggestions that you might have as far as, you know, folks that we could interview and such.
	Absolutely.
	It's like our own operating realities are just our own operating realities.
	But through all of you, man, we can just make this show better and better.
	And I do want to say, Mike...
	We have gone past our one-year anniversary, so we talked about doing an upcoming show that's kind of special, disclosing what we've learned over the last year, so I can't wait until we lay down that track.
	Yeah, we need to do that show, but let me bring up, and I don't know when we're going to do that show.
	I don't either, but we may will that into existence, or if not, just know that we wanted to, everyone.
	Sure.
	But let me give out a couple of websites for people who want to track more of this show.
	So first is decentralized.tv.
	You can check out all the episodes there, including our interview with Zano.
	It's somewhere down in here.
	It's one of these episodes.
	And then, remember, these are easy to watch.
	And we're also building new landing pages for each video so that you can share a landing page for the video.
	And then your website...
	If I may comment on that, and the reason why is we would love to drive people to decentralized.tv, but if you just take the link of the video in DTV, then what happens is it connects to Brideon automatically, it auto-connects, and the problem there is if you share the link on Facebook or any of these other Druid Babylonian networks, they basically give the Heisman and they won't allow it to appear.
	It's just because...
	Yeah, we are censored even on X still.
	But remember, we've filed a lawsuit against X and Facebook and YouTube.
	Exactly.
	That might change.
	And so, now explain the landing page on DTV. What is that going to do, Mike?
	Well, each video will have its own landing page and you'll be able to give out just the URL for episode 34 or whatever you want.
	Perfect.
	And then that'll have the video links on that page.
	Okay, great, great.
	And then people will be able to share it.
	Yes.
	Yes, so thank you for doing this.
	Because decentralized.tv is not banned as a domain.
	Right.
	Not yet.
	And you were just pulling up something related to the Unincorporated Nonprofit Associations.
	And before you pull that up, I want you to pull up something else.
	Okay, what do you got?
	Because it's hot off the press.
	By the time this airs, it will be live, but it's close enough right now.
	But if you go to my575.com.
	I made the decision to launch.
	It's called a 575E. That's the designation given to this entity by the IRS. There are all kinds of powerful, powerful advantages to owning and operating one.
	So if you go to that, you'll be able to go to the process to where now, instead of a consultation with me for $500 centralized directory...
	You can get the majority of the information here, and it will allow you to be able to watch a 90-minute video that is unlisted video by providing your email information.
	Name and email address.
	You'll be given access to that.
	And then there is going to be a phone...
	Todd, you're breaking up.
	You must be having Florida storms again right now because I know they come in every single day.
	You're breaking up a little bit.
	Let me just see if I can repeat what you said.
	So this is your site, my575e.com.
	And I'm reading the headline.
	This is the first time I'm seeing it.
	Powerful tax advantage protection for your earnings, assets, and property.
	And you're saying there's a presentation on that site?
	Yeah, when you say, let's go, or get started, or whatever, you'll be able to go to a next level, you provide your contact information, and then you're going to get access to a 90-minute video that's going to be a presentation that I gave.
	And a 45-minute, is part of the 90 minutes, a 45-minute private Zoom call with a business person, a guy who owns lots of different medical locations.
	Oh, good.
	And it talks about how he's using the 575E with his LLC, how he has replaced himself as the managing member, operating member, whatever they call that.
	Anyway, lots of information there, but the best thing, Mike...
	I've created, it's like a 30-page, I call it a UNA bonus guide, that is going to give you 31 positive attributes in great detail to where when you study that, you can then make up your own mind if you want to move forward.
	And if you do, part of the process is you can access the available attributes.
	Already created UNAs that are available or if you want a custom, you'll be able to do that.
	It'll all make sense, but I wanted to create and launch my575e.com to make it easy for our viewing audience because, Mike, I'm one guy and there's just been such a demand on it that I needed to make it easier for all of us.
	Okay.
	Well, that's very cool.
	All right.
	I'm going to have to check this out and watch what you've got going there.
	Thank you for sharing that with us.
	I know our audience, they're always concerned about asset protection and keeping more of what they earn.
	All right.
	So I want to bring up AbovePhone.com, which is our official sponsor for the show, and just mention that they have now notebooks.
	That are Brighteon-branded notebooks, and they pre-ship with my AI language model.
	I shouldn't say my language model.
	I mean, it's an open-source language model.
	We're giving it out for free, but it's pre-installed on this, so you can have a local chatbot on the notebook, which is a privacy-protected Linux operating system called AboveOS.
	It's a special flavor of Linux.
	So it's not Windows, it's not Microsoft, it's not Bill Gates.
	And abovephone.com, if you go there, slash DTV for the show here, abovephone.com slash DTV, you can also save on their de-Googled phones so that your mobile phone is not reporting on you constantly back to Google.
	And also, of course, Apple iPhones do the same thing.
	So improve the privacy of your life, folks.
	Take advantage of these two sites.
	That we've just mentioned, Todd's site, again, my575e.com, right?
	That's correct.
	And then the sponsor of today's show, abovephone.com slash DTV, and check out their phones and their notebooks.
	And then, you know, practice safe computing.
	And Mike, since our guest brought it up, why don't you share with everybody how they can get their own goldbacks?
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, you can go to this website called Verified Goldbacks, which is a site that my company has published.
	Here it is, verifiedgoldbacks.com, and you can click here to get some goldbacks, or you can read...
	You can see all the lab tests that I did on goldbacks, and here's how I tested the amount of gold that's in the goldbacks.
	This is another test.
	This is an acid stone test.
	But this one is our mass spec test using our ICP-MS instruments.
	And then I use an analytical balance test.
	That's very precise.
	You can see, you know, what is that?
	1.6001 grams.
	That's very precise.
	And you can learn about goldbacks and what they are.
	And a lot of people really love these.
	Again, I hand them out to people.
	I use them when I'm tipping waiters and waitresses at restaurants.
	I'm giving them goldbacks.
	What kind of reaction do you get from them?
	Because I just wrote down verified goldbacks.
	I'm...
	I have to apologize.
	I haven't gotten them yet.
	It's one of those things.
	I need to do that.
	I need to do that.
	But I wrote it down.
	After we get off, I will have an order in within one hour.
	Because I love the idea of being able to hand these to service people.
	Well, number one, Todd, if you ever make it to Texas, I'll give you a stack, so I'll just put your name on it.
	Perfect.
	People love them.
	I've never had anybody say, no, I don't want gold.
	Stop giving me gold.
	No.
	Yeah.
	They absolutely love it.
	It's a beautiful design, and then when they learn that there's real gold in it, they're...
	And sometimes I give them a choice, like, here, do you want a $5 bill, this green bill backed by government debt, or do you want this goldback currently valued about $5 with a thousandth of an ounce of gold in it?
	And they're like, I'll take the gold.
	Wow, that's so cool.
	Everybody wants the gold.
	Who wouldn't want more gold in their lives, you know?
	Right, right.
	Well, that's cool.
	Well, thank you for doing that and verifying, again, that the goldbacks have what you say, the value that you say it does.
	Because that's kind of the...
	The catch, right, is you don't necessarily know anywhere else.
	You've gone through and done the process, which is what you do, to be able to verify everything.
	Well, yeah, but let me hold up one of these.
	This is a wrinkled old dollar.
	I can tell you, this has zero gold in it.
	So this thing, I mean, this is garbage, man.
	It's going to be garbage.
	And actually, I've got this whole stack here of, you know, failed currencies.
	These are all failed currencies, including like the trillion dollar, you know, Zimbabwe, whatever.
	Yeah, there we go.
	Dude, that's $10 trillion right there, that one.
	$10 trillion.
	And it even says $10 trillion.
	Must be true.
	It must be true.
	I mean, it's official looking.
	They've got three boulders on the front.
	But it's worth zero.
	And that's what's going to happen to the dollar.
	I mean, Aaron was talking about that today.
	He knows there's going to be a dollar failure.
	And when that happens, they're going to use the emergency and shove everybody into CBDCs.
	And if you don't know what's happening, you're screwed.
	You're going to lose all your assets or you have to sign up for the CBDC system where you're a slave.
	I hate to say it, but so many people are going to just go along and get along and be happy slaves.
	Well, they will be enslaved and they won't know what's happening to them.
	They won't because they're NPCs and the viewers of this show are playing characters and that's why we love you if you are watching is you're one of us and our jobs the rest of our lives is to go out and find more people like us that we can relate to who can critically think.
	By the way, continuing that metaphor, NPC, non-player character, that comes out of the role-playing world like Dungeons& Dragons, and the label for the person that runs the world, that actually creates the world, is the DM or the Dungeon Master.
	So, Todd, are you a dungeon master?
	Are we dungeon masters instead of NPCs?
	Mike, I've not come out of the dungeon yet.
	Who knows what's in the dungeon?
	I don't self-identify as a dungeon master, but I'm getting there.
	Yeah, who knows what's in people's dungeons these days.
	But I did see, because in my podcast, I talk about weird cultural things, and I talk about two things that a lot of people said weren't real.
	One is this phenomenon known as furries.
	Where people dress up like animals and they have weird sexual interactions with wearing like dog masks or whatever.
	And the second one is people having sex with automobiles.
	What?
	Yeah, no, seriously.
	And so somebody sent me two videos of those two things.
	And I'm not going to play it because it's gross.
	So there's a guy, it looked like it was in South America.
	There was a guy, like an older guy, like walking around and sneaking around and he was looking real paranoid and he walks up to the back of his car.
	And, you know, he dropped a trowel and he's going at it with the tailpipe and he's looking around.
	I was like, dude, I mean, I'm telling you, this happens.
	There are people doing that.
	So the moral of the story is if you're walking through a parking lot and you hear someone behind you saying, you sure do have a pretty muffler, then you might want to quickly get in your car and get the heck out of there.
	As banjos start to play.
	I mean, if that happened, if I was in a car and that happened, I'm like, whoa, look back there, and it's like, a dude's humping the tailpipe.
	I'm like, oh, I thought you were trying to steal the catalytic converter.
	Oh, go ahead and proceed.
	You're fine.
	Whatever, man.
	I'm worried about the catalytic converter thieves.
	I'm not worried about the tailpipe pumpers that much, actually.
	And does this person then get charged more carbon credits in the CBDC system, Mike?
	He's putting the carbon back in the vehicle.
	He's paying it forward, man.
	He's blocking tailpipe emissions.
	Right, right.
	He gets more goodies for that.
	Yeah, no.
	No, but seriously, we're living in a world where there's a lot of mental illness out there, obviously.
	But what I haven't seen, Todd, is I haven't seen a furry humping a tailpipe of a vehicle.
	So that's the unicorn video right there.
	Okay.
	If anybody can catch a furry humping a tailpipe, then we know we've really gone into an alternate dimension.
	And I guarantee you, they leaned anyway.
	We're losing you, Todd.
	Bandwidth went bad.
	What were you saying?
	Oops.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	I'm pretty sure that the furry humping a tailpipe leans left.
	Oh, you think?
	Probably votes for Biden.
	Yeah.
	Well...
	I just wondered that if you were planning on humping tailpipes, wouldn't you want to wear a mask?
	I mean, even like a COVID mask.
	You could be a jabbed-up, COVID-obedient tailpipe humper.
	You know what I mean?
	That's a valid point, Mike.
	Yeah.
	It's not like they're thinking through this or something.
	We have finally found an effective use for a COVID mask.
	The COVID mask, yeah.
	Okay, I stand corrected, man.
	I'm not against him like I used to be.
	Next time you see somebody wearing a mask, you can ask them, are you planning on raping a vehicle today?
	I mean, should I protect something in the parking lot?
	Hey, hey, not my car.
	Not my car, fella.
	Or I'm going to turn around and back the car in so that there's no humping room between the back of my car and the front of the truck parked behind my car.
	Wedge yourself in between that, furry humper.
	Try that.
	We apologize.
	Your bandwidth's on the crap again.
	I don't know what's going on, Todd.
	Oh, can you hear me now?
	Yeah, yeah, you're back.
	I just said, Aaron Day, we apologize.
	Yeah, we have to apologize to Aaron Day because we did not mean for this conversation to go into this place.
	How do we even get onto that topic?
	This happens a lot, actually.
	This does happen.
	In the after party.
	Everybody loves it, though.
	I've had lots of people who commented that that's their favorite part.
	So, look, we're just us, and we hope people continue watching.
	That's all.
	Yeah, please do so.
	And by the way, I don't need a dog mask.
	I have the real dog right here.
	As you know, Rhodey is hanging out.
	He's not fond of tailpipes, right?
	He has not tried anything with tailpipes.
	I mean, he's smarter than the mentally ill people who are doing that stuff.
	But I'm not going to disturb him, actually.
	Okay, great.
	We've got the overhead cam.
	That's a cool cam.
	That's a cool overhead cam.
	Oh, good boy.
	Yeah, there he goes.
	Oh, yeah.
	He's paying attention, man.
	I need toys.
	I need toys.
	Okay, good boy.
	Good boy.
	Alright, so I think we've covered all the bases today.
	Again, apologies to Aaron Day for our bizarre diversions.
	Yes.
	The bottom line is, folks, look, we're living in a world where there's a lot of mental illness.
	That's true.
	We're living in a world where there's a lot of tyranny.
	That's for sure.
	And by the way, some of the tyrants are themselves, the mentally ill people, right?
	But they want to wield their tyranny against you as a weapon.
	So you've got to protect yourself.
	You've got to learn about decentralized solutions, decentralized money, asset protection strategies, gold and silver, privacy, crypto.
	All these things matter.
	And then, at the end of the day, you might be able to protect yourself and not lose everything when the great taking comes.
	Three cheers for that, Mike.
	All right.
	You hear that, Brody?
	Three cheers.
	Okay.
	Well, Todd, this has been great.
	Thank you for your time today.
	It's always fun to do this with you, and we'll do it again soon.
	Yeah, thank you.
	And thank you, Aaron, for being such a great guest.
	And we're really grateful.
	You were awesome.
	Yeah, he was awesome.
	Very cool guy.
	I think he gets it.
	All right, everybody.
	Thank you for watching today.
	Catch all the other episodes at decentralized.tv.
	And next time you start your car in a parking lot, check the rearview mirror for...
	Just to be sure, you know.
	And think of us.
	And think of us saying, I wonder what DTV episode is airing this week.
	Yeah, I wonder.
	Don't ever miss them.
	Don't miss them.
	You never know what you're going to get.
	Okay.
	Life is like a box of chocolates.
	Okay.
	Thank you for watching today.
	Again, Decentralized.TV. I'm Mike Adams with Todd Pitner, and I hope you enjoyed this episode.
	Take care, everybody.
	Cheers.
	Thanks, Mike.
	Thank you.

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