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July 15, 2024 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Mike Adams interviews “HiCap” security detail and firearms expert...
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Alright, welcome everybody to this Emergency Weekend interview following the assassination attempt of our President Donald J. Trump.
This is Mike Adams of brighttown.com and I'm joined today by one of my contacts, sources, his codename is HICAP. And I've interviewed him before.
He has worked with border operations teams.
He's very well experienced in terms of tactical ballistics and security protocols and much more.
Welcome to the show today.
Hi, Cap.
It's great to have you back.
Hey, Mike.
It's good to be on.
What interesting circumstances that we are set in today.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think the consensus right now is that, I mean, literally Trump dodged a bullet.
I mean, to graze somebody's ear, to puncture their ear, but yet that person can walk away is so incredibly unusual.
Can you just talk about that for a moment in terms of combat and the one in a million odds of something like this happening?
Absolutely.
Well, you know, based on what I saw in the video and what I heard as far as, you know, firing report versus the Secret Service doing their thing as well, you know, I personally, my own opinion from my experiences, believe that, you know, maybe the first shot was not as rushed, but the follow-up shots absolutely were.
Yeah.
And then, of course, there was a, you know, a volley from the, you know, from the Secret Service.
But, you know, the chances of at that distance, you know, missing a target's pretty low.
Pretty interesting as far as not being able to hit a man-sized target, much less shooting at the head.
You know, he was extremely lucky to not have been hit where the mark was probably set.
Seeing the follow-up pictures where they show actually a bullet path behind his head, I believe that would have been a follow-up.
It could have been the one that went through his ear.
Everything just leads to the fact that They haven't said whether or not it was a.223 or.556.
They haven't said if it was a.222, which I don't believe it was a.222.
I believe it was probably a.556 or a.223, based on the gentleman, which was terrible, the gentleman who lost his life, had a...
Either a face shot, head shot, but they were talking about the exposure of brain matter, which I just don't think at that distance a 22 would create that kind of a...
A scenario at the velocities that they normally shoot.
Well, it's being reported that an AR-15 was recovered.
And so, you know, you and I can both probably safely assume it's, you know, it's a 16 inch barrel.
It's probably a, you know, a 5.56 round, you know, 62 grain or 55 grain, right?
Right.
Very, very capable of penetrating a human skull and killing somebody on impact.
Correct.
But speak to, you know, a lot of people observing this don't have any firearms experience.
I've seen stories out of Bild, Germany, where they say, well, the wind blew the bullet off course.
And, you know, it's absurd given that short distance.
Talk to us about, you know, why this is actually a very short range for, you know, any kind of experienced shooter and why wind was not a factor here.
Yeah, you're looking at just an average, at that distance that we're talking, you're talking a muzzle velocity, the most common grain weight, you know, 5.56 or 223 bullets, 55 grain, just go off of that alone, which we don't know.
All the animals.
We're just using a swag.
The drop is anywhere from, you know, 1.5, maybe, you know, 2.3-ish at 100 yards.
That's not much of a drop at all, which is averagely around 1.5 inches.
And the wind pushing that bullet would be extremely, you'd have to have an extremely high wind, in which they did not.
Right.
So you would not see a little to no wind shift at that distance based on what I observed through the video that was being shown looking at flags and posters people were having.
They weren't having a hard time holding them up.
There just wasn't a lot of wind.
Right.
And confirm, if you would, that if you and I were out target shooting steel plates, let's say, at 150 yards, which is a little bit farther than what this was, we wouldn't even bother for wind compensation at that range.
Yeah, that's correct.
Yeah.
And I actually calculated the flight time of that round based on a 2,500 feet per second muzzle velocity.
Flight time is 0.167 seconds.
So there's no time for wind to affect it.
And also, as you well know, the wind would have to be a crosswind, not a 12 o'clock or a 6 o'clock wind.
No, it'd have to be a direct crosswind.
Right, like a 3 o'clock wind.
Yeah.
That's true.
So those who are saying that wind caused the mist, I don't think they understand marksmanship at all.
I agree.
I agree with you.
And I think he got up on top of that roof and then realized his vulnerability being up there and panicked, rushed, shot, and...
Because, I mean, it was pretty ridiculous, the whole scenario.
Yeah, talk to us about that.
Just the fact that that roof could be left open and exposed.
I mean, you have a lot of experience with security.
How big of a lapse was that?
That was a huge, huge mistake.
Yeah.
You know, working with 18 Bravos in an SF unit.
You know, I've been in that unit for almost 10 years.
There's no way that you would allow that footprint to be so small when you have...
You don't have a lot of things around that area, so why would you not cover them all?
And on top of that, you had interview after interview of people saying they walked up to police officers and said, hey, there's a dude climbing up on the roof.
Whether that dude had any intention of harm or not, you would have investigated it immediately.
Yes.
He would have ran to find out where this was at.
And to not have reacted to that was a failure on many levels.
But having that opportunity for him to be able to climb up on top of that building was absolutely ridiculous in itself.
I have some friends that are in Secret Service, and I have high respect for a lot of them, but they're also human too.
I've watched some of them during training, like, not even want to lay down and get dirty.
So, yeah, you know, you have all kinds and stuff, and I'm not, you know, taking a punch at the Secret Service.
I'm really not, but it is, you know, there's always those in amongst the group.
But there's no excuse for the availability of people that were there, the tactical units, the law enforcement, to not have covered that area.
possible avenue and never even made it an option for that to happen.
Yeah.
Now, this is, of course, an outdoor event.
And in an outdoor event, I mean, they had a close-in security perimeter where everybody that was allowed close up had gone through a metal detector.
Sure.
But, I mean, again, you have a lot of experience with security.
Every security person knows that there's also always the possibility of rifle fire from outside 100 yards plus.
Anything outside that perimeter that I could see, I don't have their pace plan, I don't have their I don't have their operational planning and their backup plans for that matter.
I don't have that information in front of me, so obviously I'm just taking a swag on what I would have done and how I would have reacted.
So taking that into account from what I see operationally that happened in the videos that have been posted and from people who are close by to President Trump and that I communicate with and others that, you know, it was a small bubble and they were not taken into account.
Well, they were not allowed to or they were not taking into account purposefully or, you know, unpurposefully.
That's a nice word.
That further out distance for security.
You know?
And why is the question.
There is the question.
Why was that not done?
Okay, so let me ask you this.
What distance would normally be considered for a president in an outdoor event?
Like, if you were running that security, what range would you be concerned out to?
I would have, you know, local law enforcement, you know, doing patrol and guidance of crowds and such and, you know, human control measures as far as people and stuff.
And then I would have my tactical units definitely, you know, high up on every point available and Have some sort of tactical observation going on that they could see further out.
But that would be a minimum of a 300-yard perimeter as a medium line and then a further maybe just observation out to 500 yards, you know, to be able to see if anybody's you know, to be able to see if anybody's out.
Because, you know, there are people out there that are capable of shooting in 500 yards very, very reasonably.
Yes.
So this security perimeter, I mean, this shooter was less than...
Less than half of the medium range that you just mentioned.
Yeah.
He walked up there, got up on the building, people watched him do it.
He I believe that he knew that he would not, you know.
He had already come to grips with what his outcome would be.
And and his intent was to do exactly what it was.
Now, you know, there's speculation that he was who he's tied to and all of those things.
But I'm definitely waiting to hear some inside reporting intel wise on some of that.
Just out of curiosity myself to my groups.
But yeah, yeah, but that there's obviously everybody's involved in a lot of investigation right now.
And it is too early to reach conclusions about that.
Absolutely.
Let me ask you now about the Secret Service response.
There's been a lot of criticism today from across Twitter and former Secret Service like Dan Bongino, who is ripping the Secret Service today, calling for resignations.
And there's one particular video.
I don't know if you've seen it, but it was a female Secret Service agent who was left-handed, her left-handed pistol, who struggled for seemingly 10 seconds just to try to reholster her weapon.
Could not holster it.
And in the middle of the scramble to try to load Trump into a vehicle.
And any of us watching that are just horrified at the lack of muscle memory.
What's your reaction to something like that?
I mean, have you ever seen a Secret Service agent who could not holster their weapon?
Yes.
I just saw one recently.
I'm sorry, but you have to throw into the fact, just to be fair, to be the devil's advocate here, I hate using that term, everything is happening and your primary I
think?
Who you're supposed to be protecting has got blood on his head and he is going down.
Your training should be to the lowest level of muscle memory training, which means you need to train high in those levels to keep them as a primal reaction.
And you can see multiple people in that scene that were not responding in that manner, like as if they are either newer or they've been somewhere else where they're not training that.
So yeah, there was a lot of failure there.
I'm not making excuses for them.
I'm just speaking the reality of what is happening.
Even up on top of the roof, the sniper set up.
That engaged the guy was like he looked and then he got on his gun and shot.
And I was like, wow, you know, I would not have even been leaving my scope.
I'd be scanning constantly the area and my spotter would be doing the same.
And we'd be looking at people individually, how their personality is, what are they doing?
And as soon as I pop...
I'm looking for my spotter to, you know, back me up and push me in the direction I need to trigger, right?
Right, right.
Yeah, he stopped, looked up, and then immediately got on the gun and shot.
Thank goodness, you know, that part of his reaction was very good, and he was able to...
You know, to engage that, which, you know, I haven't heard the distance from where he shot to the shooter himself.
It was a little bit less than the distance between Trump and the shooter.
Yeah, it was like it was a no-brainer.
It should have been, you know, what we call a recce shot, which is, you know, a rapid engagement type shooting.
He should be very confident in that.
And guess what?
He was.
Yeah.
He pulled it out of the hat.
But there's something...
I have to ask you, you're talking about the sniper that had the tripod set up, right?
That's correct.
There was, from one angle, there was a moment where he seemed to reset his rifle.
Like, he almost pulled the rifle up and set it back down.
And that's not...
Recoil from the shot, because recoil from the shot does not lift your rifle up like that.
No, it does not.
Are you familiar with what I'm describing?
Do you remember seeing that?
Yeah, and it looks to me like he actually pulled back or hit his tripod as he was trying to re-engage, trying to get up on his scope better.
And I'd have to look back at it again, but yeah, I agree that there was definitely an odd scenario there.
Yeah, I found it strange.
A lot of people thought that was recoil, but I'm trying to tell them, no, recoil pushes back.
I mean, number one, he's on a tripod.
If he knows what he's doing, he's got his shoulder pressed against the buttstock, and he's highly experienced.
He knows how to absorb recoil and stay on target for a follow-up shot, right?
Yeah, I agree, and I will be looking back at that a little harder on that video to see See more on that.
It just looked like he was caught off guard and literally, and of course they were.
They were not looking in the direction that things were going.
Think about this.
Move, shoot, communicate, medicate.
All right?
That's the key things you have to have in place in your security element.
They need to be able to talk to each other.
And that includes law enforcement on the ground needs to be monitoring a channel that the Secret Service can relay that information So why was an officer not on his radio calling in that there's a gentleman on top of the roof at such and such building direction from the president at 3 o'clock, you know, whatever?
I mean, that would be instantaneous.
And if I'm on my earpiece and I'm hearing this and I'm on a sniper rifle, I mean, it would be, you know, immediately shift in direction, right?
Yeah, you would think.
But that brings up the question about whether...
Rules of engagement.
Do you think these, like the sniper on top, the counter sniper on the barn roof, do you think he was given rules of engagement to engage at his own discretion, or do you think that he would have to call it in and get permission?
He would not have to call it in and get permission.
He would be able to engage.
If a gentleman was on top of the roof and he had a firearm, that right there gives you your ROE. Yeah.
Okay, and you're pretty confident that there's no way that some nefarious person at the top of Secret Service may have altered the rules of engagement?
If they did, there's your answer, right?
If it comes back and says, I got...
Well, there's your answer.
That's a nefarious act because their job is to observe any element that they find to be a threat and have the permission already to use up to lethal force.
Okay, so let me ask you this question, and I don't mean to be splitting hairs here, but you have a lot of experience.
I just want your take.
So this shooter crawled up the backside of a sloped roof, and if he peered over that roof just showing his head at first, but not yet a rifle, because he could have easily sort of kept the rifle by his side until the very last minute, how suspicious would that have been?
To have, like, a guy on a roof looking over the edge of the roof, but you don't see a weapon at that point yet.
Yeah.
Where's his lawn chair, right?
Where's his folding lawn chair to kick back with his cooler to watch the event?
You know, even on a set of binos.
Yeah, that would immediately...
you know, garner a reaction, a security threat reaction.
And, you know, my understanding is, is so far that, you know, it wasn't presented that way.
He literally was up higher standing or kneeling or whatever with the rifle placed into his shoulder and shooting.
So he was able to be seen from where other Secret Service were set, you know, in a tactical position to observe, you know, from a higher up position themselves.
I see.
Okay.
All right.
So in the aftermath of this, what do you think is going to be different about the way Trump holds rallies or the way Secret Service covers them?
I think Trump's going to put his foot down, for one, because you saw his demeanor when he was leaving.
He was in shock.
He was, you know, and he was mad.
You know, he was upset.
And, you know, you saw him put his fist up and holler fight and And so I believe that he will...
Matter of fact, I heard, and I don't know if this is true, but this is just hearsay, that he went to the UFC fighting thing that night.
Now, whether or not that truly happened or not, that would be pretty amazing.
So I believe he's going to not allow his campaign to be halted or shortened because of this mentality.
Okay.
I agree with that assessment.
But what about outdoor events?
You know, if this were indoors, it's a far more controlled environment.
Do you think that he might avoid outdoor events or just have much better security at such events?
I think he'll either pay for his own added security out of his own pocket if they're not going to give it to him by the government, which is a conflict, right?
You know...
Who's in charge, the paid security or the assigned secret service?
There's going to be a change.
He'll make sure of it.
He'll put his foot down for that.
I think there will be some people who are going to be let go, and I believe that there's going to be repercussions for this across the board.
I believe that this gentleman is going to open up a can of worms that either was set in play on purpose as a sacrificial lamb or they'll start to find things that Most likely they're going to push it as a lone wolf scenario, so I don't think he's going to stop his outdoor events.
I really don't.
But I think he'll take into measure that he will make sure that people check his security element in the distance and how they operate that in the future, for sure.
And I would think also that the crowd that attends Trump's events, you know, number one, they're not going to be dissuaded by this.
I think, if anything, his rallies are going to get larger.
But the crowd's going to be, you know, working for security, in essence.
They're going to be looking at everybody, looking at all the buildings, all the trees, all the windows, all the vehicles, right, and calling out anything suspicious, wouldn't you think?
Yeah, yeah, I think it will be.
be, but you're always going to have those ones in the mega mentality that can get overzealous and it actually become a problem, even though they don't mean to be.
Their heart's in a good place, but you have some people show up and they're all armed because they're going to be security, whether Trump's security likes it or not.
That could be a problem.
That's a conflict.
Now you've got, and I'm just spitballing here on what...
What, you know, could happen.
And so that could get interesting.
leaves an open window for somebody nefarious to fall into a group like that.
Yeah.
And we've seen that over and over and over again.
Um, the Republican side, mega right wing, whatever you want to call it, being infiltrated by, uh, nefarious actors, including governmental actors or agency actors that have been blatantly put out there.
That's not conspiracy.
That's been fact proven.
Yes.
To instigate or escalate people's mentalities and to stir up the pot.
And I don't think that's going to stop anytime soon because we're headed into the election.
Yeah, absolutely.
I know we're almost out of time here, but I want to ask you a couple more questions about things that Trump's security team should watch out for.
In other words, the way snipers, if a typical sniper, let's say in a military setting, as you know very well, a sniper is not typically going to crawl onto a roof fully exposed.
They're going to sit inside a room, back away from the window, right?
In a dark room.
And they're going to have a narrow field of view of where their targets going to show up.
No one's going to see them.
I mean, and this can be done from a van as well.
Aren't there many other far more covert type of sniping positions that could be deployed against Trump in the future?
Well, sure there is.
There can be everything.
I mean, I'm not trying to put too many ideas in people's heads out there, but yeah, there's always something different.
This guy, for example, that did this, he had a direct line intent and he didn't care for the repercussions.
It was blatant in his motivation and the way he approached things was either directly stupidity or he didn't care.
And he was going to do what he was going to do and therefore he knew what could happen.
So if you take that into account, I mean, anybody could be attacked.
I have clients ask me all the time, you know, what is my, you know, because they know me and I'll be honest with them about it.
It's like, you know, hey, what is, you know, the chance, what is our risk management of my getting harmed in this arena?
Well, if we're outside, And we have 50 people to protect you, we can mitigate that pretty good.
But if we're outside and we have 15 people to protect you, it's going to be a whole lot lower.
So yeah, there's all kinds of ways that somebody can...
Engage a target, no matter who it is, you know, the scenario that just happened or any other scenario would be planned out days ahead and you would already have things in place and ready to go for that event.
You know, you would already be prepared.
And now we're talking about AI and drones and all of that.
I mean...
I watched videos of soldiers in another conflict right now just the other day walking along and a first-person drone, high-speed drone with explosives on it, came in out of nowhere and hit one of the soldiers square on.
And there was nothing to stop that.
It's so fast that you can't...
You can't stop it.
Even if you had anti-drone capability, it would be very difficult.
It did its job.
It was like getting hit with a grenade.
It makes me wonder if, because of drones, if outdoor events like this are going to be history soon, because the drone threat, especially high-speed kamikaze drones like we've seen deployed in Ukraine a lot, they can be quite deadly.
It doesn't take a very big explosive charge either.
No, it does not.
What you're going to start seeing is a stadium, a podium that has a roof on it, and it probably has a netting drop, like a mesh netting drop that will come down to where it will interfere with anything coming in, like a drone or anything like that.
So to use a small something like that, or even bullets, like somebody firing somebody, doesn't necessarily mean it's going to stop it, but it could deflect it enough To not serve its purpose.
You know what I mean?
Exactly.
Well, Hi Cap, I want to thank you for spending time with us here today and providing some, you know, expert analysis here.
We appreciate your time, and I think right now we have to thank the Lord that Trump is safe, because I really, it pains me to think of where we would be today if Trump had been assassinated.
I think this country would have erupted quite violently.
I'm glad that did not happen.
There is a pathway that's being laid before us all by the Lord, and Trump's was to survive that and be able to continue to fight.
So yes, I am glad and thankful that the Lord looks after us all, that reach to Him and accept our responsibility and the path we work to be good in.
Lovers of Jesus Christ.
I'm not trying to say religious or Christian.
I'm just saying lovers of Jesus Christ and wanting to be with the Father.
So that is the most important thing.
Well, thank you.
God bless you, High Cap, for all your efforts.
And if you notice anything else you think we need to know, keep me posted.
I'll pass it along to the audience.
All right.
Sounds good.
Thank you, Mike.
And it's always a pleasure to speak with you and catch up.
All right.
You as well.
Thank you so much.
Safe journeys.
Take care.
Yes, sir.
You too.
Bye-bye.
Bye.
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