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June 21, 2024 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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John Petersen of the Arlington Institute talks with Mike Adams about the COSMIC FUTURE of humanity..
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Welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
And this is really going to be an interesting one for you because we have a first-time guest here, John Peterson, who's the founder of the Arlington Institute.
And this institute, which you can find at arlingtoninstitute.org, has donated a massive quantity of books about UFOs and UFO research and contact to our AI language model project.
We have these books now.
It's about 1,400 books, something like that, in PDF form.
We're processing them into our AI system.
So we're going to be releasing, on behalf of the Arlington Institute, the world's first free downloadable An open-source UFO large-language model AI chatbot.
And the person we have to thank for that is our guest today.
So welcome, Mr.
Peterson.
Thank you for your donation, and I really look forward to doing this with you.
Yeah, well, it's nice to be here, and my name is John, please.
Okay.
Yeah, it's great, and I really appreciate what you're doing in this regard.
We're futurists here at the Arlington Institute.
Time ago, I got started in this business and ended up, you know, we figured out there were maybe about 200 professional futurists in the world that were full time doing this kind of work.
And I ended up being kind of the de facto futurist for the Department of Defense.
I started the Arlington Institute in 1989.
And we worked with the leadership of many of the services to try to expand their horizons on what the future might hold for national security and to get them out of just the narrow kind of area of just kinetic warfare, killing people and breaking things and Although they excel at that, they're very good at that part, but you're right.
I mean, it seems like if we want to have a future, we have to think about the future because we have so many destructive paths right now.
Yeah, and there are very systematic ways to do that that most people don't understand.
I've written three books all about the mechanisms and the processes about thinking about the future.
The second one was about surprise events, potential surprise events.
It's called Wild Cards.
It's about wild cards.
The whole notion is that you can, in fact, kind of get early indications of potential surprises if you think about them in a systematic way.
But if you don't do that, then you get surprised and that in this context just drives you into fear because the surprises are bigger and bigger.
And we really don't need that in the coming months and years because This is an extraordinary, unprecedented kind of transition to what we think of as being a new human in a new world that desperately needs us to be engaged and active in terms of building a new vision for where we're all going to be and where we're going to go.
So let me ask you then right up front, because this is the first time that we've spoken, by the way, and I'm not that familiar with the work of your institute, although I see from your website that you have an event coming up in September and you have guest speakers like Greg Braden, whose work I really admire, and Dr.
David Martin, who I really admire as well.
But let me ask you just a couple of things straight out here.
The future vision of our world, as projected by what I would call the globalists, Is not a very good future for humanity because they want to achieve, it seems, a much lower human population, really tyrannical control over thoughts and speech and the food supply and everything, and altering the atmosphere to remove carbon dioxide, which will hurt photosynthesis.
That's a future that we don't want.
What does the Arlington Institute focus on in terms of the big issues and how to create a future that benefits humanity?
Thanks, yeah.
Two big trends, two big directions going forward, and one of them, you might say, going up this way, is essentially a technocracy future.
It is using an increasingly invasive technology to control and essentially dominate It's a Matrix movie kind of scenario is what it is.
They've been putting it in place for a very long time.
The reason why you see so relatively few people responding with, I don't know that we need outrage, but at least the action to the kind of things that are going on in the world today is because they've been conditioned.
There's been glyphosate in the food, you know, there's stuff in the air, in the chemtrails, there's Well, fluoride and water, and there's 5G. There's all kinds of things that have essentially surrounded you in terms of the environment that we live in.
And it's all about to kind of dampen and suppress the ability of people to think, you know, compounded by the education system that never figured, hasn't taught anybody for decades about how to do creative thinking at all.
And so that's...
So you got this one kind of dystopian future that's headed kind of warp speed into a really dark kind of environment.
On the other side, though, this is about literally the evolution of humanity, of the species.
There's energy, waves of energy coming out of the center of the galaxy, and it's influencing the sun, which is...
Generating different kind of cosmic energy that it's ever done before.
And all of that is influencing our DNA. And as you know, science seems to think that something like 92% of all of our DNA is junk DNA because they can't figure it out, which is really arrogant.
As it turns out, the best sources that I can find suggest that very, very early on When humans were first kind of put together on this planet, however that happened, we had 12 strands of DNA and at some point those who were the Kind of the husbands of the process back then looked at that and said, after a while, they said, these guys are getting smarter than anybody, and they're going to be a threat to us downstream.
So they shut down 10 strands of the DNA. And so we're operating on, you know, two cylinders instead of 12, I guess, like a Merlin engine and a P-51.
But anyway, they...
And what's happening now, what multiple sources say, unconventional for sure, but nevertheless you get a lot of corroboration from different sources.
They're saying that what these ways of energy are doing are in engaging and activating different strands of different aspects of your DNA and activating capabilities that were kind of intrinsic but not activated.
There's all kinds of things.
You've certainly noticed a lot of interest in kind of manifestation and telepathy.
You know, there's a whole variety of these kinds of new capabilities that seem to be coming together and being activated.
Like I say, there are wave after wave after wave.
You can watch it on Spotify.
You know, places like suspicious observers.
Waves of energy coming out of multiple sources in the galaxy.
And this is all affecting us.
And then the solar system is moving into a different area in space that's got all different kind of characteristics, kind of magnetic as well as chemical kind of characteristics.
And that then affects the planets.
And the outlying planets that have moved into this space are all doing the, you know, significant kind of changes to their environment.
And so their weather systems and such are all changing.
And so what we're seeing is not being caused by humans.
It's being caused by the sun and by the larger kind of cosmic environment that we're in.
And so all of this is, you know, it's a There are other aspects of this.
This happens about every 12,000 years.
And that there are these, we transit essentially the plane of the galaxy, and there's a great deal of energy, a high amplitude of energy there.
And so it affects us all.
And so it affects us both in biology, it affects the Earth in terms of Earth changes, It affects earthquakes and volcanoes and things like that.
It affects sociology.
Absolutely.
People get all excited and have wars and don't get along and so on.
All this stuff is cyclical.
So if I could, allow me to help kind of summarize some of what you've just said.
It seems like we are moving into an era of mass human awakening.
And when I say human, I mean at multiple levels, not just the physical level, but the consciousness level.
Sure.
Beyond mind-body, but I'm talking about conscious creation, the observer effect of the cosmos around us.
So as this mass awakening is taking place, What goes along with that automatically is the desire for human freedom.
People want to be able to think freely, to create freely, to contribute freely, to associate freely.
And then the technocracy that you mentioned is realizing that this mass awakening is happening.
They've known about it for a long time.
And so they're trying to destroy it or suppress it or enslave humanity to say, you can't think these thoughts.
You're not allowed to say these things.
We even saw, I forgot which country in Europe, some politician there was saying, we have to control what people think because the freedom to think is dangerous.
So these are these two factions.
But I think that some of your contributing guests like Greg Braden and others would absolutely agree that That human consciousness wins, right?
Yes, absolutely.
And it's more than just opinions by guys like Greg, who, by the way, participates regularly on some of our programs and we can talk about it.
What you've got here is a really kind of interesting situation because there are...
There's giant kind of trends in place, whether it is very sophisticated computer modeling, which I follow very closely with Martin Armstrong down in Florida.
Oh, wow.
That's great.
And Marty's machine, which he calls Socrates, has all built upon these cyclical characteristics of reality.
And there's big...
Cycles and small cycles and it has everything from climate to geopolitics to finance to economics and on and on and on.
72, I think it is, different kind of modules.
It's the most sophisticated capability of its kind.
And what it says is, by the way, happily, that this globalization thing does not succeed.
But getting from here to there is a different kind of issue because what it...
What it suggests quite explicitly is that World War III starts this year, if it hasn't started already, that between 2025, that is next year to 2027, is a global civil war, which is this broad-based, planet-wide uprising of people against their governments across the planet.
After 2027 what happens is that many of the geopolitical structures including countries like the United States break up and come apart and decompose and then there is over between 2027 and 2032 there is a rapid reconfiguration and in North America you end up with about five different countries in North America By about 2032.
There's no European Union by then and so on.
There's a whole lot of big, huge change.
Now, this is interesting at face value, but let me remind you that this is a conventional kind of projection, sophisticated as it is, unprecedented as it is, but it's nevertheless kind of conventional kind of Of linear kind of thinking,
because on top of this, there are any number of other kind of big surprise events or things that come into the middle of this thing, including this whole business of extraterrestrial life.
I mean, that's it.
Depending upon how that shows up, that could just drive this whole system into a whole different direction.
And that's not considered in any of these kind of models or most of the people in the futures business.
Yeah, talk about so-called black swat events or unexpected events, but I would say, I don't know what your background is in terms of whether you studied in mathematics or what have you, but just mathematically...
The idea that we are alone in this cosmos, that we are the only sentient beings is utterly absurd.
And I've always said that.
It's always been obvious to me.
And even when sometimes people mock it, like, oh, you believe in little green men.
Actually, I believe there are all kinds of different colors on all kinds of different planets all over the place.
I mean, just if you look on Earth, it's hard to find a place that doesn't have life.
Even in extreme environments.
And we're not the only planet that has atmospheric pressure, liquid water, you know, a sun that's just the right distance.
We're not the only ones, you know?
Yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right.
It's absurd to make those cases.
And, you know, Edgar Mitchell, who was the astronaut who went to the second flight to the moon, He was kind of famous in saying it's absolutely certain that there are other life forms.
He wouldn't kind of expound on that very much for maybe obvious reasons, but there are all kinds of sources.
My background, by the way, is in electrical engineering.
Interesting, okay.
Yeah, I flew airplanes off aircraft carriers for the Navy in Vietnam and then stayed associated with the Navy for 25 more years and worked in the White House at the National Security Council staff and some other kinds of things.
And so I can tell you definitively that there are craft and vehicles and materials and other kinds of things that are on this planet that have been studied for a very, very long time that nobody has yet kind of figured out or seemingly very long time that nobody has yet kind of figured out or seemingly yet kind of fully figured out what they were and But this is a very real thing.
And the thing that you just got to keep in mind is that if if another group shows up in another community here and you start a conversation and they've been around, say, at a minimum, a thousand, let's say 500,000 say, at a minimum, a thousand, let's say 500,000 years longer than we have, They're going to come and talk to you about science being different and they're going to have technology that you cannot even wrap your head around.
And they're going to talk to you about cosmology and theology and any number of other kind of things that are just very, very different than what we're all familiar with.
And that's kind of the...
I guess the way you evolve, that you get bigger and bigger.
I talk about it in terms of expanded awareness, that this whole process is a rapid period of expanded awareness.
And those of us who want to play in this new world and be part of it have to get out in front of it.
And that's what we do at the Arlington Institute.
We're in the business of...
Facilitating the transition to the new world.
And we try to do that with a number of programs and technologies and other kinds of things.
Let me just mention your website.
I'm sorry to interrupt.
But for people who want to join, you have memberships available, as I understand it.
Sure.
And so that's ArlingtonInstitute.org.
And I guess, I don't know where people join.
Oh, here it is.
Get membership.
Okay.
So you can join.
What do people get as members, by the way?
Well, we produce a lot of content, like you, from a lot of perspectives.
And one of the things that we have is a newsletter, a free newsletter that we've been producing now for 27 years called Future Edition.
It comes out every two weeks.
And it has a very large kind of...
Search across the horizon about emerging things in all different areas and sectors that are, we think, important and defining in terms of what the future might show.
We also have a program called Transition Talks, which you're alluding to, because...
We have a speaker.
We're located in Berkeley Springs, West Virginia, which is a little resort town about 100 miles from Washington and Baltimore.
It takes about an hour and 40 minutes to get to the big city from here.
But we're out in, you know, two mountain ranges away from the coast and away from the Beltway and so on, and it's a marvelous little place.
We used to be in Arlington across the river from Berkeley from Washington, hence the name.
But now we're out where the sky's a little clearer and it's certainly less traffic.
And so what we have is transition talks and we have a speaker that comes in every month from somewhere.
And Greg comes, Greg Braden comes every week.
Every year, Penny Kelly comes every year, Dave Martin comes every year, and we have a wonderful kind of time here locally, but then we live stream in other places as well.
And then, quickly, we've got a couple of other programs.
One of them is called Quartet, and I facilitated, I moderated, and Greg is on there, and Penny Kelly, and And Kingsley Dennis from the UK is there.
And this is a very deep intellectual kind of dive into major kind of issues or questions that are associated with this transition of moving into a new world.
Then we have another program called What's Up?
Greg and I, it's an unstructured half an hour and it happens every two weeks again.
Greg and I just have a conversation and I started off by saying, so what's up?
What's on your mind?
And it always turns out to be very interesting and useful, as you might imagine.
I'm sure it is.
And I want to invite you.
I don't know if you've been posting any of this on our platform here, brighteon.com, but you're certainly invited and welcome to do so.
And we now have live streaming capabilities that we can activate for your account.
If you ever want to do a live and it shows up on the homepage, it might attract more audience to your institute.
So you're very much welcome to do that.
So, I have so many questions for you.
Obviously, I hope this is the first of many conversations.
Because I often felt like I wish I had the discipline to focus on topics like what you're talking about.
And often I get dragged into today's crisis political thing.
It's very easy to do that when it's a distraction from what we should be looking at.
But one of the big questions I have, of course, you know, the Drake Equation.
Which puts in place the the probability that a civilization will destroy itself and What are your thoughts on whether our civilization will survive its own destructive tendencies and one day then you know join the the cosmic international community of other advanced civilizations well it certainly is a distinct possibility as a matter of fact the Kind of the history,
unconventional as it is, that I follow, suggest that at least five times in the past, whether it's Atlantis or Lemuria or whatever the other times is, that the civilization rose to a certain height and then they weren't successful and kind of...
Punching through, if you will, or they were incapable of dealing, in the case of Atlantis, with the technology they had developed.
The social development had not kept up with the technology.
It occurs, though, which is very encouraging, that sometime around 2012 or something, I don't know when it is for sure, but that humanity got to the point where there's a critical mass of some of us who...
We start to see ourselves and see the world in a different way, and it's gotten to the place where it is going to be successful.
Absent some really big aberrational thing, like we allow the leadership of our countries to blow the place up, which hopefully, and I'm encouraged that that's not going to happen, regardless of how close to it we become.
And so this is a really structurally, fundamentally different time than there's ever been in the past, and we're about to make a giant kind of evolutionary jump into a new space that has kind of spiritual and conscious and all kinds of Overtones that take you away from all of the encumbrances.
You know, this human experience, and certainly in the modern world, is nothing but...
From the time that we're born, increasing constraints, whether they're social or familiar or government or education or military or whatever they turn out to be, every one of them kind of piles on and builds reasons what you can't do and who you can't become and what, you know, and it suppresses this innate kind of capability.
Well, I have a question for you along those lines, actually, which is about suppression of technology and the suppression of the advancement of the human condition and the human mind.
I mean, you know, my background is focused on natural medicine and nutrition.
That's how I got started.
And we've seen so much suppression in that area.
Even, by the way, the eradication of indigenous human knowledge about natural medicine.
So, you know, most of the world used natural medicine.
Up until the early 20th century when Rockefeller, Western medicine came in and said, oh no, don't trust the plants.
You have to use these synthetic things that are also toxic.
And we've seen this, even Google.
Google is not a search engine of human knowledge.
It is designed to displace human knowledge and replace it with artificial information.
Certainly.
And so...
My question to you is, how much of the suppression of this is now sort of failing?
They haven't taken us off the air.
They haven't silenced you.
They haven't silenced your speakers.
It seems like as much as they try to suppress us, we are still overcoming it anyway.
What are your thoughts?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we're making progress here.
There's wonderful people that are coming up.
I'll give you an example.
Our little town.
We have 600 people.
The population of the county only has 15, 16,000 people in the whole county.
But this is a marvelous little place.
And we have tried to be proactive about this.
So we're thinking about food security.
And so we're building a community, a really quite significant community garden.
We're thinking about all kinds of things about food and water and such.
But we're also interested in community, and we don't believe that you can do this and get to where we need to go without others.
You can't do this on your own.
And so in the last, I don't know, three, four years, we've had a dozen people that have moved into our community just to be a part of this whole process.
As a matter of fact, we've had one, two, three maybe in the last three or four months, and they keep coming because You know, my sense of it is you raise a flag and if enough people can see it and they say, ah, I like that, and they come.
It's kind of like build it and they will come.
And we're finding that to be the case because we're trying to build a very active and a sophisticated kind of program.
I mean, it's not a program per se, but I mean, we do.
Supper clubs and all kinds of different events and things, all designed to bring the folks who are like-minded, who want to be kind of active participants in this whole process, bring them together and make a place.
And so, you know, you've got that and you've got to then do the technology.
And that's why I'm so kind of excited about what you're doing in your AI program, because I don't think you can If you follow the chronology again, if you can't get from 2027 to 2032 and the reconfiguration of the whole space, you can't get from here to there without using some advanced capability that increases the metabolism of the whole process.
I agree with you, and we believe in using technology to expand the human experience, the human ingenuity and innovation and so on, rather than the technocracy, as you mentioned earlier, which uses technology to enslave and surveil people.
We believe in technology-assisted human freedom.
Right.
I mean, I would even say, by the way, if anybody believes that there are extraterrestrials in our universe, then they must have mastered faster-than-light travel, F2L, right?
Of course.
I've said before, I think F2L technology is as commonplace in the cosmos as bicycles on our planet.
Of course, it requires an enormous amount of energy, but guess what?
There's so much energy out there that can be harnessed or whatever, but...
Well, it requires a whole lot of energy, if you believe the Einsteinian kind of notions.
And there's a whole bunch of new guys who are coming along saying Einstein was wrong.
And so it doesn't require quite the amount of energy, you know, enough to boil the oceans or something in order to go to the speed of light.
As a matter of fact, one of our speakers who's coming up here in two months is an interesting woman who...
Her name is Dolly Safran, and from the time that she was 14, it was earlier than that, but they started letting her remember it.
From the time of 14, about twice or three times a week, they'd take her up at night into a craft and run her around different places in the galaxy and so on, and they essentially took her to school, a parallel school at night,
and That made her very, very bright, and so much so that she found conventional school just boring as can be, and so she'd get straight A's, and her teachers finally said, just go to the library, and so she read every book in the library.
Interesting part is that she was so engaged in a part of the community up there that it became obvious that at some point she had to make a contribution.
She had to get a job, right?
And so at about 20 years old, she says, well, I want to be a pilot.
I want to drive the craft.
And they said, well, okay.
And to hear, describe it, it's like me going through flight training for the Navy.
You know, they go through all aptitude tests and physical stuff and whatever to see if you're okay.
And then they spent 20...
Two years trying to walk on her through and very systematically through the process of how you meld your mind with the ship, because that's how you fly these things, if you know anything about it.
And the ship, by the way, is alive.
And I know that from other sources as well.
And so you have this engagement.
It's a partnership.
Yeah, and then you just think about where you want to go, boom, and that's the way you...
So it's not a function of huge amounts of energy.
I see.
It's a function of different kinds of understanding of physics, and the assumption that we kind of have got it all figured out in terms of physics is...
Yeah, we're millions of years behind the state of the art, right?
So let me ask you this question.
How much is there a sense that the other intelligent species that are watching us or observing us, are they treating us like...
Yeah, some are.
Like a preserve?
Because we're not mature, okay?
Our species is not overall very mature, and one of my concerns is that if we got, let's say, very effective free energy technology, based on the lack of ethics that we see and the concentration of power in the hands of evil people...
We would see total destruction of the biosphere and destruction of other planets and star systems.
Until we gain more maturity, we probably haven't earned the right to have access to a lot of these technologies.
Is that a topic that you talk about?
Yeah, no, absolutely.
I think you've got it right.
There seem to be two factors here.
There's some who are almost like, have been husbanding us along, bringing us along from the beginning and the end, Engage every once in a while, and they're available in certain ways at certain times.
And then there's certainly a negative force that's behind, I would argue, behind all of this technocracy kinds of stuff and this oppression.
Of the innate kind of capabilities that we have as humans.
And so this is a big kind of biblical kind of almost issue, our time.
But there are all kinds of indicators that suggest that we are, you know, a handful of years maybe only away from Of being engaging with the positive ones.
This is not, what is it, Fourth of July, whatever that movie was, where they all come guns ablaze and blow the place up.
No, they don't want to do that.
They're interested in those who have kind of a less than positive impact.
From our perspective, interest in all of this or interested in our DNA because we're unique and we can do things and we have the capability to love and so on that is not generally available apparently across the country.
I'm sorry to interrupt, but it begs the question that this is something that I've asked and talked about, so I'm really curious to ask you this question.
So it's clear that from a cosmic perspective, our planet has intrinsic value.
Our location in one of the spiral arms of the Milky Way has very high value in and of itself.
Our distance from the sun, our axial tilt relative to the orbital plane has value.
Seasons, the orbiting moon has incredible value.
The biodiversity of life on our planet, which may be unique in some ways, also has value.
Obviously the rare earth elements, the table of elements exists everywhere in the universe.
Gold is gold, whatever.
It's all the same.
Although there may be more exotic elements that we haven't discovered.
But my point is that...
Earth has value.
Liquid water has high value in the cosmos.
But is there value from a cosmic perspective of the human race?
Because...
Big question, right?
Yeah, there is on both sides of the equation.
Because on one side...
Again, like the Matrix movie, if they can get you wired up and stacked up to where all they do is take off your energy and so on, then that certainly seems to have some value, like batteries.
Copper tops.
Just cells and a battery.
On the other hand, you know, this new...
Humans have...
First of all, you've got to start with the assumption, which I always do, is that we're not unique.
That is to say that this experience, this human kind of experience, that is to say life on this planet is not unique.
That has happened many, many times, many places.
There are groups, you can say, who are in the business of trying to seed other places and seed life different places.
And they've been involved on and off in here for an awfully long time.
And so they are actively engaged in trying to get us to where we want to go.
But in the end...
This is all about our own decisions.
We get to make our, you know, within the constraints of what we understand and so on.
We get to make our own mind, make up our own mind.
And so the kind of the human experience, as far as I'm concerned, is all about how you get to the place where you make good decisions.
A lot of people say the purpose of life is education.
Well, it's education in kind of rough kind of terms, but most specifically, it's about how you make better decisions on a kind of a day-to-day, moment-to-moment basis and how you get in touch with the little voice inside that kind of gives you directions.
And in the process, you...
Rise up to this higher level of awareness and consciousness.
I'm sorry to interrupt, John, but just pushing back a little bit on that question, if you're saying that the human race is not unique, And I agree with that assessment.
I didn't say the human race was not unique.
I said life on the planet.
Life on the planet.
Okay, right.
The human experience is something that many other beings on other planets throughout the cosmos have also experienced their version of that, which makes perfect sense to me.
Then why would a very advanced extraterrestrial civilization, millions of years more advanced or even more, why would they assign any value to the human race on this planet if there are so many other examples out there of similar biology, especially given that the planet itself may have more value to them as a place for them to colonize versus humans being here?
I think I agree with you where you're going there, and that is that there's something unique and particularly valuable about the human beings.
And I would say that not only in terms of our DNA, but then, you know, our engagement with our ability to love, like I said, to love and create.
There's ability to create that it seems to be unique.
And so those kinds of things are a particular value.
My friend, Penny Kelly, who has personal experience in these kind of spaces with other kind of groups that are off-planet, says that it's really a whole lot about DNA and that there are serious kind of efforts.
You know, if they kill us, then they don't get any DNA, I guess, more or less.
So they're really trying to just get it to the place where they can denominate, dominate, and they can kind of capture and use the DNA.
But that's on the negative side.
And the positive side is that, you know, there's a we're all a piece of God.
We're all a piece of the Creator, however you want to describe that.
And so we have this extraordinary potential to rise above all of this.
And as a matter of fact, every one of these things that comes into our life that we think of as being obstructions or problems or things are necessary because that's what If you've got no problems or anything, you've got no incentive to get any better or to do anything.
You just sit around and eat bonbons or something.
I like what you're saying here, but I'll share something kind of blunt and welcome your reaction.
But the longer I live, the more disappointed I am with the masses of humanity, although I continue to meet incredible individuals who are outshining the rest of the human race.
But what you said, like our capability to love...
To me, that sounds like sort of emotional anthropomorphism.
It's like, okay, well, we feel it's so intense, and that's our experience of what love is like, but isn't love also universal?
Isn't it widely reflected probably across...
Yeah, but all you got to do is look around.
You would agree with this.
Everybody isn't at the same place in terms of their development.
True.
I mean, everybody isn't ready for this.
You know, I have wonderful people that I love dearly who just their eyes glaze over.
Right.
And so it's almost like at certain times you get kind of a critical mass that rises up to a level of consciousness and capability and development, and they are ready for all of this kind of transition and to move on to the next.
But if it wasn't that way, then if you...
Like you alluded to, if you get yourself extraordinary kind of technologies and you have the same mindset, all you're going to do is use it to kill more people or destroy the planet.
And so it's really this kind of combination.
Right.
Well, we've seen the technologies that have been either invented or transitioned into the human knowledge base, some of which I believe is reverse engineered alien technology.
And I think the transistor is one of those, by the way.
That's just my personal opinion.
But whatever it is, If you look at the way it's been used by the human race so far, it's mostly been used for commercial gain and also asserting power over others.
I mean, AI is a great example.
Yeah, but you're sitting here pitching an AI thing to help change the world and make it better.
So it's all fungible.
We can use this stuff...
For good, as well as bits like driving a car, you can rob a bank with it or not, you know, go to the grocery store.
I mean, it's our job, I think, to use it in the most intelligent way.
And that's why I think your AI program is so important, because what we're trying to do, we're trying to build a model of a new world.
But, you know, I really...
I really appreciate when you and many other kind of folks are working to kind of deal with current day kind of events.
But that's not our bailiwick.
We're in the business.
That's not our job.
We're in the business of trying to build a new world.
And so we've got programs like TransitionNet, which is a global collaboration platform that we're working on that will allow millions of people to all work together to build, literally, to build a new world.
How does the education work?
How does a legal system work?
How does transportation and other kinds of things all built around a new set of principles that look at the world and look at ourselves in a different kind of way?
And I think that one of the things that's really important in all of this, it would be very important.
very easy in the face of all of the efforts to control the narrative and all this technology and this suppression and all these things that are going on to really get disappointed and just get discouraged.
And so hope It's kind of the underlying thing that those of us who want to be part of this new world, we need to find a way to generate hope for all of the folks who are coming over to our side of the fence.
And that means that you've got to at least have a beginning of an image of something out on the horizon that says, there's another way we can go here.
We don't have to go the way they're all talking about.
Good point.
And yeah, I work to try to contribute to that brighter future.
Decentralization of technology is one of the things that I'm working on.
Let me ask you about the Arlington Institute and your views on money and currency for the future.
Let me just throw this out in advance because I thought about this a lot.
And I came to the conclusion that in the not-too-distant future that the real form of money would be energy with a very advanced portable energy-holding battery device you could put in your pocket, and it could hold gigawatt hours of energy, and you would trade energy with other people.
And that energy could be used to power a fan, power lights, power...
Money today is a representation of energy, but real energy is real money in a sense.
But that's just one idea that I had.
How do you and your speakers think about a cosmic currency?
What do civilizations trade with each other if indeed that's how it's structured?
Well, that's fascinating because we talked about that in our Quartet session with the four of us back just a month ago.
And when I set the topic up, I kind of built a case for the question of the day.
And in this particular case, I said there are two issues that are kind of the anchors of the present way in which we operate.
One is secrecy and one is money.
And the secrecy essentially tamps down all the creativity of humans.
You know, it's controlled by people that have the most power and so on.
And if you go out to the folks who are, you know, building...
And again, it's all unconventional kind of sources.
But if you go out 50 years...
And say, what's the world look like out there?
They all say, well, there's no money, and there are no secrets.
And so our topic of that day was, I can understand how 50 or 100 years from now, you can get to the place where there weren't any secrets, because if telepathy showed up and became broad-paced within telepathy, The new group of, you know, citizens of residents on this planet.
Then you'd be able to understand what everybody else is doing.
And so you wouldn't have secrecy.
But how do you do it with money?
I don't understand how that.
So we had a long kind of conversation about that.
And the problem with this, I mean, you're doing this rather creatively, thinking about a conversion to another country.
Something like energy or another metric for transferring value and so on.
But there is another kind of twist in there that I haven't figured out yet because if you go and read about these people who have hung around with other worldly groups and so on, they seem not to have any money in terms that we understand it.
And I don't quite understand.
I understand at the end how you get to that.
I mean, I can certainly see that we could go through a period of time in the mid-future where you'd use energy, like you've said.
But somewhere out in the end, I mean, a lot of it you could say 3D manufacturing.
You could see that you wouldn't have to...
You could, you know, then ideas or then, you know, information becomes a currency, perhaps.
I don't know.
Well, it's, I'd love to join you for a discussion, even just you and I privately sometime on this, but It's fascinating to me because energy seems to be a universal currency because energy can even, of course, transmute elements.
So one of the things I said earlier, the table of elements is commonplace and universal across the cosmos, as long as we're all operating under the same laws of physics.
And so you have...
The atomic elements, and the only way that you transmute them is through fusion or fission.
Both of those require enormous amounts of energy.
So you can either have a pile of copper over here which conducts electricity.
Here's a pile of copper.
That's got its own intrinsic value.
It's used in all kinds of things.
I would say even advanced extraterrestrial technologies, they use the table of elements to achieve the things they want to achieve, but they have more creative ways of using it.
But if you want to create copper...
You need a tremendous amount of energy to either fuse smaller elements or fission to break apart larger elements to create copper, right?
Unless you're a plant or a tree, because that's exactly what they do.
They start with a certain set of elements, and by the time it gets to the top and turns into a leaf, you've converted it all into other ones, and they haven't needed a huge amount of energy.
Well, I've read some research about chickens being able to create calcium without consuming the amount of calcium.
But I haven't pursued that, or I've never seen something that is irrefutable, that there's some sort of transmutation going on in chickens.
But that would be fascinating.
There's a new area that I first read about many years ago called computational chemistry, which essentially says we're getting to the place with advanced things like AI and so on, that you are going to be able to If you're going to build yourself a bridge,
for instance, instead of going to a book and saying what kind of steel is available, you could start off by saying, well, I'd like this thing to kind of turn a nice color, a nice blue color at night when the sun starts to go down, and I would like it to behave this way and that way.
And you could start with the characteristics that you wanted from the material.
Material science is going into way interesting, interesting places.
But in this particular case, you could spec the characteristics that you wanted.
The material needs a certain amount of kind of abrasion and so much strength and shear and so on.
And then the machine comes up and says, well, here's what you want.
And that then gives you the basis Or if you then understand, as you've suggested, the underlying forces and how you mix them and match them.
This is apropos to what kind of we were talking about, because the materials that they have saved or scavenged or whatever from down to extraterrestrial craft are It's very strange and impossible to manufacture in our own capabilities.
And they call them metamaterials.
And they have this marriage of different elements and molecules and other such things in ways that we have no idea how to do.
And so there clearly is a place downstream at some point where you're going to be able to do things like that.
Yeah, and that's fascinating to bring that up because, of course, that process is powered by energy.
So if you have energy plus technology, then you can create matter, or you can alter matter.
So you could take a pile of ash, like, oh, I burned a bunch of logs, here's a bunch of ash, and then you take that pile of ash and you put it in this magical chamber that is really just advanced technology, and you say, here's what I want.
Like a super special spring.
Zap, you know, 10 seconds later, boom, you have super memory steel.
I'm quite certain that technology exists somewhere to do that.
Just reconfiguring the elements.
Well, sure.
And you can...
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, it's obvious that we're...
There's a real shortcoming of science, frankly, in the philosophy of science, and that is that they always think that they've got it all figured out.
And all you've got to do is look over time, and they're always wrong.
All you've got to do is wait about 10 or 15 or 20 years.
And then they change their mind because they get smarter.
Well, I mean, unless you think that you've got it all wired and you've arrived, then, you know, that's going to continue for a while.
And we need to be very open and permeable for new ideas because that's the...
That's the key to riding this exponential wave into this futures that's arriving so quickly is because it's all going to be built on new ideas and new breakthroughs and other things.
And if you're sitting there holding on to the past, you're going to miss it.
And if you're afraid to change, you're not going to be able to adapt.
And so this is all about, like I say, becoming an entrepreneur.
Kind of a new human, rising to a new level of evolution.
Well, talking to you, it's given me a lot of enthusiasm, and it's a blessing that I feel like I was born at just the right time, because I'm an outside-the-box thinker, and what you described, like what humanity needs, this is what I do, is I challenge people's thinking and shatter their paradigms and their illusions.
At least that's what I attempt to do.
But let me give out your website again so people can join your organization.
It's the Arlington Institute.
The website is arlingtoninstitute.org.
And they have different membership levels there, and they have different videos and benefits.
And tell us about this upcoming event you have in September.
Oh, I see you have one in August and September.
Tell us about that.
Well, in August, Dolly Saffron, Olivia, that I mentioned to you, and she is now 60, and since she was 14, she's been driving these craft all over the universe, as a matter of fact.
You know, she's been like an airline pilot, if you will, hauling people and supplies and so on.
And she has an amazing...
I mean, there are apparently a couple of people around that have this whole lifetime of experience in these kind of spaces.
But there aren't many of them, and she has a very...
Extraordinary kind of comprehensive picture about how this all works and she's got some special messages that the extraterrestrials are trying to talk about and want us to be aware of in the next A year or two, and so that's really important.
Can I interrupt and just say, clearly, though, someone claiming that would set off all kinds of skepticism among people, right?
And they would typically, even I would typically say, well, how can you show us that what you're talking about is true?
Do you have any evidence or proof?
Obviously, those kind of questions are going to come up a lot with a speaker like that.
Well, this isn't for everybody, and if you want to use the past as a method for deciding what is true in the future, then this is going to go faster than you're going to be able to deal with.
And so this is about intuition.
This is about getting sensitive in your heart and looking at this critically, and how does the logic stack up?
And it's not so much as believing it is...
Grasping it is a possibility.
I see.
In my business, you know, I'm trying to look at worlds that have never happened before, and so you can't...
You can't just do a linear projection out from the past into this kind of space because it's going in someplace where it's never been.
And so what you've got to do is you've got to look at things like this and you say, now that's pretty interesting.
Does that hold together?
And you stick it in the back of your mind.
And then you sit around for a while and, you know, and three months later you're going to run into something else.
That says, oh, yeah, that's probably right.
And after a while, you get a kind of a critical mass of three or four or five little things together and you say there's something there.
And I really ought to start thinking about that.
And that's clearly the way.
I mean, that's what you do in terms of looking out for the next five or 10 years.
You kind of gather up information from different sources and Who knows what their ultimate objective is and what's their motivation, but you try to kind of bring it together in a way that kind of makes the most sense and gets a lot of consistency, and that's what we do here.
And by the way, that's what I'm going to do in September when I'm the presenter at Transition Talks.
A big picture of a Where the world's going and where we're going and what alternative scenarios are out of the back end here, the futures that might show up.
Well, your events, of course, I just want to encourage the audience to go to your website to check out the events coming up, arlingtoninstitute.org.
But I've said in the past, I've said that if you're one year ahead in terms of your predictions, you're called a genius.
If you're 10 years ahead, you're called a lunatic.
Well, you're looking 100 plus years ahead, right?
And that's got to be even more challenging in terms of...
Because, you know, people are just so stuck in the present.
Just the normalcy bias, tomorrow's going to be the same as yesterday, blah, blah, blah.
And that's not what you or I are focused on.
I have a hard enough time telling people what's coming in two years, you know?
Yeah.
Mike, Mike, you can't get out a hundred years.
I mean, that's a crazy difference than anything that...
I mean, we're going exponentially.
We're going straight up, and so...
What you really want is this mid-space, this next five years or something like that, so that people can adapt and get ready.
You're very much interested in that, and so are we.
How do you get ready in physical and emotional and spiritual terms to be able to play in this new space?
If you get too far out, it's science fiction.
Nobody can make sense out of that.
Last question for you, John, and I really appreciate you taking the time with us today.
I hope we can do this again, but how do you think that contact actually plays out?
It's probably a kind of an evolutionary process rather than revolutionary.
You've got to start with the assumption that These guys have been around a long time and they're pretty smart and they have ways and they can kind of read your mind and all because they know the state of the environment and the condition of humans down here.
And so what they're trying to do is in a historically rather short period of time, but nevertheless do this kind of evolutionary thing and feed more information and more information and there's sightings all over the place and there's movies and there's, There's, you know, people who dedicated their lives to doing nothing that opening up doesn't make any disclosure here.
And so it's it's and I know a little bit, not much about what the what the government's position is.
I've known a lot of the folks who are inside the government who have known about this stuff.
And have been responsible for the classified programs.
And, you know, they're all very worried about high states of disruption and people going nuts and crazy and whatever.
I never understood that, though.
If there's a disclosure day, I'm like, let's party.
This is awesome.
I mean, what's to fear?
Come on.
No, you're absolutely right, but you're not a bureaucrat, and so you're not trying to just protect the president and keep it going until you retire.
True, true.
I mean, like, thank God this happened, you know?
I mean, this is a whole new era here.
That's what I think of it is, is this is an amazing thing, and all these efforts at secrecy and other kind of things are just tamping down the kind of evolutionary Push for humanity to become more and more, you know, consciousness and so on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow.
Well, it's really fascinating to speak with you, and I can tell that, you know, you and I share a lot of the same analysis of where things are going.
And ultimately, I think we're both optimists about the future of humanity.
I mean, we recognize there can be turmoil, there can be chaos, dark times, whatever, but that's temporary.
Yeah.
Long-term, human consciousness overcomes so much of this, and the universe is far bigger than anything that we can imagine.
Yeah, that's for sure.
All right.
Well, John, thank you so much for joining me today, and I wish you the best, and we'll talk again soon.
Thank you so much for your donation, and we can talk more, whatever other materials you want us to incorporate into our AI training.
We would welcome that.
Thank you.
Thank you, Mike.
Thank you, John.
Take care.
All right, I thank all of you for watching today.
I hope you enjoyed this intriguing interview.
It gives you a lot to think about.
But I would hope that you really ponder this and realize we are not alone in the cosmos.
That is a certainty.
And which institutions are trying to convince you that we are alone, right?
Which institutions are trying to suppress science or knowledge or human understanding?
They're not working in the long-term interests of humanity, in my opinion.
The Arlington Institute is looking forward and thinking about how we actually transcend the current sort of slave state of the planet and become the fully expressed human existence and our place in the cosmos which is filled with life by the way.
So Believe what you want to believe, but don't limit your thinking.
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