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April 18, 2024 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Utah Governor candidate Phil Lyman talks with Mike Adams about Thorium, Uranium...
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Welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com, coming to you from the great state of Texas.
And I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon, and today we have a really amazing guest joining us.
He's running for governor of the state of Utah, another great state in our United States of America.
His name is Phil Lyman, and he's an America First candidate, and he's done a lot of amazing things already, and he wants to lead Utah into an era of abundance and liberty.
Welcome, Mr.
Lyman, to the show today.
It's great to have you on.
Thanks, Mike.
Great to be here.
Well, this is the first time we've had a chance to speak.
I'm really honored to have you on.
I've followed some of your work in the past and some of your background and so on.
Let me give out your website first.
It's lyman4utah.com.
There it is.
And you've got a donate button there as well.
And, you know, all about you and so on.
So welcome to the show.
How would you like to start out here, Mr.
Lyman?
You know, we could start out talking about what it means to be a state.
I think that's really an important thing that seems to be lost in the United States quite often.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, let's begin with that.
I guess we get into 10th Amendment issues.
But, you know, Utah has a very vibrant identity as a state of resilient, hands-on, capable people.
Kind of like Texas, I would say.
So what does it mean to you, then, to be a state?
Yeah, so, I mean...
Texas is a great example.
I'm glad you mentioned that.
I start a lot of my talks with God Bless Texas, mainly God Bless Texas for standing up to the federal government on their border issue.
Under Article 4 of the Constitution, it says that the federal government is required to provide defense against invasion.
And if they don't do that, then the states can take that in their own hands.
And I say whether it's an invasion of your southern borders or your second-grade classrooms with You know, foreign ideology.
States have not only a right, but an obligation to stand up.
And most states are not doing that.
You see the ones that are, you know, Ron DeSantis and Christy Newman and some of these governors that are strong governors.
And what a difference it makes for the citizens in their states.
Yeah, absolutely.
And is that...
How would you bring that to the state of Utah if you are elected governor?
What kinds of policies would you change?
Well, you know, the governor does so much to kind of signal where he's at on these things, and our governor goes to the gridiron luncheon with Joe Biden and toasts, and he's the guest of honor, and he's the chairman of the National Governors Association.
The Democrats really love our governor in Utah, and he signals constantly that he's going to support School districts and suing parents who is going to support the health department and shutting down businesses or finding businesses that don't comply with an arbitrary mask mandate or he or he uses his pronouns Publicly or he vetoes the bills that prohibit boys from competing in girls high school sports There's there's so many so many opportunities to do one thing and instead he
goes the other direction and And, you know, during the COVID thing, it was really phenomenal that anytime Joe Biden came out with an announcement, Governor Cox was the first one out in front of it.
And hiring, you know, hundreds of people to help with that effort.
When he was the lieutenant governor, he was the COVID czar.
And czar is a good word for it.
Right.
Yeah, exactly.
So, but how is it that...
He even got elected by the people of Utah then, or did he change once he got into power?
What happened?
Yeah, so he was selected by the governor to be the lieutenant governor and was in that position.
Then when the governor decided that he wasn't running again, then Spencer was the heir apparent to the throne.
And so he came on and...
It was in 2020, as soon as people put in to run for office, they came out with the COVID pandemic, and nobody could go to meetings, nobody could visit their neighbors, nobody could have conventions.
The only person on the air was Spencer Cox, as the COVID czar, pushing his agenda, and very, very visible.
Yeah, absolutely.
Now, Utah has...
Please educate myself and my audience about the composition of Utah's GDP, so to speak.
I know energy is a big part of it.
I know agriculture is a big part of it, but what's the pie chart basically look like for Utah?
Yeah, I mean, energy should be a huge part of it, but we're shutting down energy production so rapidly.
I was a county commissioner For eight years in San Juan County, which has got the only processing mill for uranium, for raw uranium.
So energy was a big part of Utah, a big part of my growing up.
We have copper, so copper is on the extractive side of things.
Yes.
It's still pretty big, but increasingly the energy is being shut down.
The coal-fired power plants that are a big deal in Utah are slated for being dismantled, and they're trying to shift over to hydrogen or wind energy or solar energy.
But increasingly, what's kind of coming on is technology.
They've got silicon slopes.
Utah seems to be enamored with billion-dollar, multi-billion-dollar companies, and they do everything they can to attract these big tech companies.
And so that all comes to the Los Hatch Front, which then spurs a lot more growth, kind of urban development and urban, you know, concentration in Utah.
We're one of the most urban states and people don't think of Utah as an urban state, but 90% of our population lives in the cities and, uh, and basically in Salt Lake City and, uh, and the surrounding area.
And that's really a big push and people are, uh, they're not doing it so much by choice.
They're doing it because of policy that favors those things, favors those big developers, favors the The concentration of wealth in the capital city and the rest of the states looking at this saying this doesn't seem like an intelligent growth pattern for us.
Maybe we don't want to use tax payer dollars to build a billion dollar baseball stadium or a hockey stadium or to get the Olympics again or even the presidential debates.
It's like Utah just trips over itself to get any attention it can get.
And the net result is this growth pattern.
On the Wasatch Front that creates more congestion and more problems.
At the same time, you've got the universities that are growing, you've got healthcare that's growing, very much the tourism and outdoor industry, the skiing, the boating, the ATVing, the hunting.
Those are the things typically that people, you know, want to be doing in Utah is getting out and seeing the sights.
But increasingly, it's going to the billion-dollar tech companies.
Well, that's fascinating because, I mean, yeah, tech is clearly important to our economic growth, but I think you would agree with me that energy, you know, no state can actually be abundant.
No nation can be abundant without affordable energy.
I think energy is the key driver of GDP. It's the key driver of successful small businesses, manufacturing, affordable food and transportation, all of that.
And, you know, here in Texas, we share that.
Obviously, we're a big energy state, and our governor is very much pro-energy.
Thank goodness.
What's going to make Texas, you know, very successful, especially if this nation starts to break apart, which I hope doesn't happen.
But what would you do as governor to help Utah expand its own energy resources to make energy affordable for all the other industries like tech?
Well, and you hit the nail on the head.
Energy, affordable, dispatchable, clean energy is the basis for, you know, a healthy community.
And I think it was President Reagan that said, if you want to help the lower end of the economic spectrum, give them cheap energy because it really pushes the economy.
In Utah, and this is interesting.
So when I got in the legislature, I started a caucus.
I called it the Yellow Cake Caucus.
Yellow cake, for those who don't know, is the enriched uranium, processed uranium before it goes off to be turned into enriched uranium for nuclear power plants.
Anyway, all about energy, all about that stuff.
So thorium, nuclear energy production.
Thorium is one of the most abundant resources on the planet.
Utah has enough thorium to planet the United States for 10,000 years.
The byproduct of thorium is medical isotopes.
So talking with some of my consultants and the professors from BYU and University of Utah about thorium, we said, well, if you said you're just going to be making medical isotopes, which you only get from spent thorium, by the way, it's kind of a miraculous process.
And these medical isotopes are miraculous cancer treatment elements.
To say, well, let's produce medical isotopes and a byproduct would be abundant, free energy.
And we honestly have the potential to do that.
So one of the challenges was that they needed to build a small testing facility.
We talked to Idaho National Labs and they said, yeah, we can build it for you up here.
They looked at the cost.
The cost of building the facility was about $12,000 in materials.
There was no radioactive material in that testing part of it, but it would take 20 years and $80 million to permit it.
Wow.
It tells you, does the United States want clean energy?
Do they want affordable energy?
And the answer is, maybe the United States does, maybe the people do, but the leaders, the ones who are calling the shots, are doing everything they can to shut down energy in Utah.
We have some of the best coal in the world.
We ship it all over the world.
But in Utah, they want us to shut down our coal-fired power plants.
And I gave a speech on the House floor in the legislature, and I said, this isn't a war on coal.
This is a war on America, because the countries that are pushing this the hardest, China and Russia, are building coal-fired power plants one a week.
In China and in Russia, they're building natural gas plants.
Oil and natural gas power plants that they're trying to get us to shut down in the United States.
So we're 100% being played in America, and the states go along with it.
You know, the Paris Climate Accord, when it rolls out and says, you know, we've got to get rid of cows because they produce too much methane, and they're destroying the planet with all of their gas, and people just go along with it as if it were...
As if it wasn't the fantasy and the cartoon that it should be.
And that's where I get really, really frustrated with Utah because we just buy right into that.
We start up.
We form our own climate corps, our youth climate corps.
We start hiring people to go out and indoctrinate citizens on the benefits of the Biden Energy Plan.
It makes my head spin.
We're not going to do this.
This is not what we're about in Utah.
Let me jump in on that, Mr.
Mr. Lyman, because if if the people of Utah want to eat, they need to not follow the suicide, the climate suicide pact that Western Europe is following.
Western Europe is shutting down food farms all over the Netherlands and many other countries and Ireland and Scotland as well.
And it's all because of, quote, the climate.
And the question becomes, how are these people going to eat?
I mean, you're looking at the collapse of German industry, by the way.
Massive industrial manufacturers like BASF, B-A-S-F, moving out of Germany and moving to China.
Why?
Well, because Germany doesn't have energy anymore.
China's got cheap, affordable energy, so they can do it there.
And by the way, one of the byproducts of that is fertilizer.
So if you're going to make fertilizer affordable, you need cheap energy in order to grow affordable food so that your people don't end up having food inflation and poverty.
So we're right there with you.
I hope the people of Utah are wise enough to realize that they can't go down the climate cult destruction path.
But let me go back to thorium for a second.
I brought up on my screen the thorium isotope pattern.
It looks like most of it is naturally occurring at Mass 232.
Here are some of the radioisotopes.
Some of these, I would imagine, is what you're talking about.
They have short half-lives, so they'd be very good at medical tracing and imaging.
I recall that isn't there a design of a nuclear power plant that runs on thorium that is so much safer than the current uranium-based designs?
Is my memory correct on that?
Yeah, 100%.
You can't make a nuclear bomb out of thorium.
It doesn't have the potency.
And as you mentioned, the half-life.
I'm glad you pulled that up because thorium is designed to produce energy.
And it does it so well.
And the reactors that they built, the small form modular reactors that we've looked into, you could literally turn the lights off when you go home at night.
I mean, you could shut the thing down, you can turn it back on in the morning.
It's not like our nuclear plants now where you have to maintain it 24-7.
Thorium is a...
Just a miracle.
A miracle mineral.
It's not new.
Back when they were having the nuclear development, people knew about thorium.
It's been around for a very, very long time.
They just realized that if they're going down the nuclear path, that one could also be used in defense, and that was uranium.
So uranium won because we were very interested in nuclear weapons.
And so thorium took second place.
But for energy production, yeah, it beats it.
This is a really critical conversation.
I'm so glad that we can have this talk.
So let me just restate.
You're saying that the state of Utah has enough thorium.
That with properly constructed, very safe thorium-based nuclear power plants, which my understanding is that they can be self-regulating and self-shutting down.
They cannot go into a criticality explosion event like Fukushima or Chernobyl.
There's enough thorium in Utah to power the whole country for maybe centuries.
It's just that there's no byproduct of nuclear fuel for the weapons industry out of that.
But if you want to talk about clean, zero emissions.
This would even make the carbon people happy.
Zero emissions, right, out of this.
It's clean.
It's sustainable.
It lasts a long time.
It has almost no waste.
I mean, what's not to love about nuclear power from thorium?
Yeah, yeah.
And not to mention the isotopes, the medical isotopes that come off, that you cannot get anywhere besides spent thorium.
So it's truly, yeah, it's truly a great product.
And as far as, you know, statehood, getting back to that question, I brought up in my LK caucus with some of the legislators and things.
I said, couldn't Utah Pass legislation that says we can build this testing facility, save the $80 million in the 20 years, and just say we're not going interstate with this.
We're just doing it here in Utah for Utah.
Come to find out that, of all places, Texas already has a similar process that they're proposing, which is to generate or to create nuclear energy, small-form nuclear energy, Right, I would say, you know, don't mess with Texas.
And I wish we had something that said don't mess with Utah.
I just didn't have the same ring to it.
Right.
But this is just one of many topics where I'm really glad that you are on top of all the details of what this involves.
I mean, this may not be a comparison that the people of Utah want to hear, but I'll say it anyway.
Utah could be the Saudi Arabia of North America in terms of energy.
You know what I mean?
It could be the energy focus of the continent.
And not just with thorium.
I mean, thorium to me is exciting, but we have, in the U.N.A. basin, we have oil reserves that are the Saudi Arabia of the United States.
We've got coal reserves all locked up in the Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument that would make us the Saudi Arabia of coal.
And anything that comes along, you know, uranium starts to take off and immediately the federal government starts shutting things down.
And that's what got me into politics in the first place, was seeing how the Bureau of Land Management It was being used as a weapon in the hands of environmentalists to come in and lock up the strategic uranium reserves of the United States.
And I don't believe it had conservation at the core of it.
I think it had basically acquiring all of those reserves because that's exactly what Hillary Clinton was doing for Vladimir Putin when she bought Uranium One.
Uranium One, yeah.
So you see these Policies that get made, and I bring this up quite often, that the corruption that we see in government is not sacks of cash and smoke-filled rooms, although there's probably that too, but even worse than that is policy.
Policy that favors those who are willing to play the game and excludes all of the honest brokers, all of the honest citizens who are out there trying to just live an honest life, feed their families, have a living in And they don't realize when these policies are made at the top with ulterior motives that those trickle down and basically destroy people's happiness.
I mean, the national debt is an example of that.
There's no reason why the United States should have $35 trillion in debt.
Yet we do, and it's by design, same as our climate change nonsense.
And so much of what we do is really – it's like a hostile takeover of – Of America.
And we can get back to what America really is, which is, you know, families that can afford a house and afford a job and have, you know, turn on the lights and the lights come on, their kids are playing soccer, whatever.
And somehow there's just other people who have much bigger ideas for what the American dream is.
And it includes, you know, taking control of millions and millions of people's lives.
And that's what our government was set up to prevent.
That's a Well, you make a really important point here that America has the resources that it needs to succeed and to restore its greatness as the world leader in freedom, in economics, in manufacturing, innovation, exporting, and so on.
It's far from that now because of the destructive policies that you've just been talking about.
There does seem to be a concerted effort to destroy Western civilization.
There's no question about it.
Western countries of energy, of even food resources, the rule of law is now, I mean, look at what they're doing to Trump in New York right now, absolutely destroying his campaign on purpose.
That's election interference right there.
100% election interference.
And if they don't do it through the political and the media, they'll do it directly with the ballots and the machines and the clerks.
Yes.
Yeah.
Alright, so let's talk about a different topic here.
Let's talk about the Second Amendment for a minute.
Because Colorado, I believe, the Colorado House, if I'm remembering correctly, I think just passed a law that would ban semi-automatic firearms of all kinds, all semi-automatics.
I'm like, are you kidding me?
As a Texan, I'm thinking, that's insane.
There might be more than one bad guy, or he might be moving really fast as he's breaking into my home.
Of course I need a semi-automatic.
I can't have a bolt action.
What's your take on the Second Amendment for Utah?
Well...
I mean, the Second Amendment is so clear.
It's one of the clearest, you know, pieces of language in our whole lexicon of policy and constitutional law, and it's that the right to keep and bear arms will not be infringed.
So, semi-automatic, it sounds like assault rifle.
You know, they throw these terms out.
It's like, Semi-automatic just means you don't have to do a bolt-action, single-action shot every time.
You can get out there and shoot a gun.
It's bizarre that you would ban a semi-automatic weapon, and it's unconstitutional.
I passed a bill in 2021 that said, If the president issues an executive order that's not constitutional, the state is forbidden, the agencies are forbidden from implementing that.
So they couldn't go out and implement that once the Attorney General had said, yeah, it's unconstitutional.
We passed another bill this last session called the State Sovereignty Act, which basically did the same thing, but just reiterates that.
And someone said, well, doesn't that do exactly what your bill does?
And I said, yeah, we should pass three of those every year, telling the federal government that we are not going to follow ridiculous, unconstitutional mandates like banning semi-automatic weapons.
And it's funny when we see other states that go down that path.
I always tell people You know, I understand if you don't want guns, don't want other people to have guns.
I mean, that's why we have countries like France.
But in America, we put it right in the contract that we're not going to mess with people's right to bear arms.
So we should not mess with people's right to bear arms.
And if the federal government wants to do something, then states absolutely have to step in.
And that's where, you know, you'd be a Second Amendment section where states say whatever laws they pass at the federal level, That go against the Second Amendment.
We are not going to stand up.
We're not going to stand those laws up in Utah.
See, you just used the term sanctuary state.
I'm glad you brought that up because we are seeing, of course, during the Trump administration, you had the blue, the left-wing cities and states declare sanctuary status about illegal immigration.
And now aren't those cities suffering, by the way, under their sanctuary status?
You know, a New York City mayor says the city is going to collapse.
Well, hey, maybe you shouldn't have been a sanctuary state for illegal immigration.
Same thing with Denver now happening.
Same thing with Chicago.
But what you mentioned, you know, a Second Amendment sanctuary state, which Texas has that attitude as well.
Doesn't this really speak to the fact that our nation is dividing?
It's dividing among state lines.
Some states like California, they want to tax their citizens to death.
They want to let criminals onto the streets, streets which are filthy with feces and needles, by the way, often.
They want to not allow their citizens to have firearms, but the criminals can have firearms.
The rule of law is collapsing in a lot of these blue states, whereas states like Utah, Texas, Florida, Tennessee, Missouri, Oklahoma, and so on, they're holding the line.
How much do you think the division between the states is going to continue to be exacerbated?
Well, yeah, the rule of law is collapsing, but there's a group of people that are deliberately trying to collapse the rule of law by overwhelming the system with non-citizen immigrants.
And who is the group that's doing that?
Well, it's the Biden administration.
They are opening up the borders.
I was down at the border in December down in Arizona, and I expected to see a wall, and I did.
It was a big, beautiful wall.
You know, wall, but every quarter of a mile, they remove a section.
And this is our own contractors that are building the wall.
We're also removing these sections.
And I said, why are we taking the sections out?
I said, well, it's for convenience for people crossing.
So it's not a wall.
And then you send the National Guard.
Arizona deployed the National Guard, you know, patting themselves on the back.
We're sending our National Guard.
Well, they didn't send them down there with any weapons.
They sent them down there to do paperwork to process Illegal aliens coming into the country and send them off to places like Utah, New York, wherever else.
And then they say that they're, you know, Deploying the National Guard.
Governor Cox here in Utah, he's taking a victory lap now, saying that he deployed the National Guard.
He sent five people to Texas.
Five people?
Yeah, they'd asked me a couple of weeks earlier, and I said, yeah, I would deploy the National Guard.
I would send 2,000 people if they would go.
We've got 7,500 in Utah.
I think they would go if Governor Abbott wanted that many.
Kristi Noom sent, you know, 200 or 300, which I think is a huge issue.
Um, effort and show of support for, for Texas, but five people, that's not deploying the national guard.
Um, but getting back to your, to your point about sanctuary states, you know, Utah doesn't want to be called the sanctuary state, unlike California where they want to be called the sanctuary state.
Utah is labeled the sanctuary state by ICE, the immigration and customs enforcement, um, because we don't detain, uh, Non-citizens for longer than 72 hours.
That's according to the federal law, that if you're not an ICE-designated facility, you can't hold them longer than 72 hours.
Well, we can't get the ICE-designated facilities because the compliance requirements are so high that none of the counties will want to do it, so we don't meet their requirements.
And then we say we're going to follow the law in...
And let them out after 72 hours.
And with that, ICE comes back and says, well, you're a sanctuary state.
So it's like this contradictory order from the federal government.
You must do this, but you must not do this.
And the two are conflicting.
And in Utah, what they should do, what would fix this problem, in my mind, would be to say, if our jails are good enough for our citizens who break the law, they're good enough for our non-citizens who break the law, and they can sit in jail contrary to federal laws.
And if ICE has a problem with it, they're welcome to come and get them and deport them or do whatever.
But right now, our policies message to, not just to non-citizens, but non-citizens with criminal intent, that Utah is a really sweet place to go if you want to engage in human trafficking or drug smuggling or any of those criminal activities, because we don't Take the hardline stance on detainment.
And it's not our sheriffs who are falling down on that job.
It's our governor.
It's our executive branch that won't back them up if they are willing to nullify that ridiculous federal mandate that you have to release Criminals after 72 hours if they're non-citizens.
Well, that's interesting that you bring that up because even in Texas, as you know, Texas passed a law where law enforcement can arrest illegals for trespassing.
And the law says that Texas can even deport them.
Of course, the DOJ then sues Texas and says, oh, you can't arrest illegals.
I mean, total violation of 10th Amendment states' rights right there.
But let me ask you a bigger question about states' rights.
And you may or may not agree with, I think, what most of our audience believes, which is that there's a day coming that the dollar is in real trouble.
The dollar is going to collapse because of all the money printing, the debt, a trillion dollars every hundred days.
And we've seen throughout history when the central currency collapses, then there's a vacuum of power.
Like in the Soviet Union in 1991, you know, of course, the Soviet Union stopped becoming the Soviet Union, and you had the breakaway nations, you know, including Georgia and Ukraine and so on.
Could something like that happen in America if the dollar collapses?
And if so, how well positioned would Utah be to get back on its feet if that were to happen?
Yeah, I love that.
I love that question.
And it's a topic near and dear to my heart.
So I'm a CPA. I work with people with their taxes, with the businesses.
So I follow finance and economics, and I'm a big...
I'm a big follower of Ron Paul, and he's been saying this since 1971, when America went off the gold standard, is we lost our anchor on this currency.
And really, there's only one ultimate conclusion to this, and that's that the dollar becomes valueless.
And we're seeing it happen slowly over time, but I think we're close to seeing a serious collapse of our currency.
And a lot of other people are seeing it too.
You're seeing gold prices kind of reflect that.
What does a state do if this whole system comes collapsing down?
Do we just wring our hands and say, well, we saw it coming.
Well, we knew this was going to happen.
We told you this.
Or do we actually get in and create a...
An environment, a business environment where businesses will still be able to function.
Utah's doing some good things along those lines, not because of the governor, but because of our state treasurer, Marlo Oakes, who's been a leader in trying to get some gold back to currency.
Things passed for Utah.
But more importantly, it's really just getting down to saying, how is your family going to be when the currency collapses?
Will we have food?
Will we have energy?
Will we have food?
You know, law enforcement, you know, that tolerable administration of justice, or are we going to treat people like cattle and herd them into, you know, rail cars and ship them off to someplace like we've seen happen historically?
You know, this is funny.
You reminded me when you said gold-backed currency, and I want to pursue this more with you.
I didn't mean to make this as a plug, but there's a company called Goldback, and they have a Utah-issued goldback.
This is 51 thousandths of an ounce of gold, and it's Utah.
And the reason they issued it for Utah is because Utah recognizes gold and silver as legal tender.
Yeah, I've got a couple of those that came out during the legislation.
Yeah, they're really cool.
I mean, whether that's the solution to have that kind of a currency, I'm not sure, but to have state law that accepts payment of taxes, for example, in gold is a big step forward and something that other states don't have, at least not too many other states.
Utah's leading out to that.
I think it's going to be an important piece of And again, it's signaling.
It's telling people, hey, we're not just going to go quietly into the night as everything just collapses around us.
And especially when we see that it's not being done organically, it's being done deliberately by our worst adversaries.
And to just go along with that as a state, I don't know, to me it's un-American.
Well, I believe that the states that, like, if there is a breakup of the U.S. or if there is a collapse of the dollar currency, even if it's only temporary, the states that are prepared to have their own statewide honest money system, you know, to quote Ron Paul and Austrian economics, honest money will make a state incredibly abundant.
I mean, just imagine having an honest currency that isn't hyperinflated by the Treasury or the Fed printing and imagine how quickly Utah or Texas or any other state can get back on its feet.
I want to suggest the following.
BRICS. You know, the BRICS currencies, they're going to launch a digital, blockchain-based international settlement currency that's partially backed by commodities.
One of those commodities will be gold, for sure.
That's why you see all the gold buying by the central banks around the world, especially China.
In Texas, we have the gold depository that has billions of dollars of physical gold and silver in it, and that was set up by the state.
I have information from insiders in Texas, people in high places, who say, yes, Texas is prepared to launch its own Texas gold-backed currency if necessary.
Not 100% gold-backed, but maybe 20% gold-backed.
Is Utah in a position to ever do something like that?
Or is that consistent with the philosophy that you would bring to Utah if it were necessary?
Utah doesn't have the gold reserves that Texas does, but we have some gold reserves.
And just correcting course, I guess, and saying that we are going to start accumulating more of a reserve of gold.
And that was one of the bills that we passed.
I don't know if it passed, honestly, this last session, but It said that people could pay their taxes with gold and that Utah would basically start to accumulate gold, actual physical gold, if the people were willing to do that.
So I think we're moving in that direction with Utah and looking at places like Texas and And, you know, other states that have a large gold reserve and say that's probably not an unwise move to make.
Yeah, for sure.
Now, with your CPA background, how's the state budget in Utah right now?
Is it running a surplus or is it a deficit?
I don't know.
We consistently run a surplus, and it's kind of a red-hot economy.
The state budget's gone from $22 billion to $30 billion in the last three years, so a huge increase.
Large dependence on federal funds, nearly 30%.
We're seeing the public sector expand.
The government keeps expanding.
We came into a session a couple of years ago, and we had a $2.3 billion surplus coming into session.
And rather than doing a big tax cut and giving that back to the people, we gave a $175 million tax cut.
And now you've got, again, politicians that are breaking their arms trying to pat themselves on the back for this large tax cut.
When in the meantime, you know, we've collected, you know, $8 billion more a year than we were collecting just three years ago and nearly double what we were 10 years ago.
So, yeah, I watched the budget.
People don't want government to do more with less.
They want government to do less with less.
And to say, we've got enough to run a really good government.
We don't need to be...
Right now, we're looking at building a Major League Baseball stadium because we've got this surplus, you know, downtown Salt Lake and a hockey stadium, all these things that I mentioned before.
And that's what states do when they have huge surpluses in And instead of turning around and saying, you know, this isn't our money, this is your money, they start making plans.
And it gets really exciting.
You know, legislators that are just, they just can't understand why everyone's not on board with spending, you know, all this surplus money on entertainment.
Well, there's a lack of faith in the people.
You know, I mean, every government tends to want to concentrate power in the hands of the few.
They don't want to decentralize.
Well, I mean, that's back to, you know, Ron Paul's mantra is, you know, I trust the people to make better decisions than I do the government to make better decisions.
And to me, that really kind of cuts to the core of politicians.
You have to look at somebody and say, do you trust people or do you trust government?
And so this last session, Utah really went after water.
And the mantra was, we've got the experts.
We have the people who really know how to manage water.
So we need to centralize control of all of Utah's water resources.
And I made the contention, if people have water rights and they pay their water bill, you know, schools or whatever, then leave them alone.
It's their water.
And they probably will take care of it.
They're the ones that have a vested interest in managing their water.
The farmers, the alfalfa farmers that developed all this water resources over the years are now being denigrated by state legislators saying they're using all of our water.
It's like they're not using all of our water.
That alfalfa, when it actually, you know, leaves the state, if it's being shipped, is dry and the water stays here, whether it's, you know, aspirated into the air or whatever.
We keep our water, and yet the state wants total state control of all the water resources.
It's really scary to me, because that's also right in line with the United Nations measure every drop and have a water footprint for water.
Yes.
And we marched right along as if somehow that was a legitimate interest of government to control everything at a central level.
And Utah is going down that path in a really rapid pace.
Yeah, if you want to look at an example of centralized water rights gone bad, just look at California, right?
Yeah.
How they're devastating, the agricultural sector there.
Let's talk about nutritional supplements for a minute, because that's an area where I'm well known as a health ranger and we manufacture supplements.
Utah is famous for nutritional supplements.
It's got the perfect environment, low humidity for manufacturing and warehousing nutritional products, but yet you have the FDA that continues to wage war against the nutrition industry.
And the FDA will pull these crazy tricks where they will say, oh, well, this nutrient that's been sold for 100 years, now there's this drug company that's studying it as a candidate drug, therefore we're going to call that a drug now and ban it.
It's completely insane.
What do you say about protecting Utah's nutritional supplements industry?
Well, yeah, like you say, we do have a really robust supplements industry and some really great companies out of Utah.
It was interesting, not to go off point, but I went down to a new beef processing plant that was just open, and that's rare anywhere in the United States, but this was down in Richfield, Utah, Utah beef.
And as they were talking about the soil, they said, in Utah, because we have so little rainfall, really vital nutrients stay in the soil, whereas in high rainfall areas, Those soils are constantly being drained of those nutrients, being washed away.
So what we see is a negative, really low rainfall, turns into really healthy soil that grows really nutrient-rich alfalfa, nutrient-rich other things.
And that's what makes these supplement companies in Utah, one of the things that makes them Kind of unique is that they're dealing from the ground up with crops and organic matter that is super rich in nutrients.
It's exciting to see companies that can use their intellect, their intelligence to look at what they've got and say, hey, we could do something with this and that supplement companies need the protection.
When you see the FDA rolling in, again, That's not one of the delegated powers in Article I of the Constitution.
We didn't delegate food to the federal government.
We didn't delegate supplements to the federal government.
Nor did we delegate energy or education and all these things that the federal government has decided they're going to do.
step in and control.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
It's a state's job to step in and protect that.
Yeah.
And I would say if I were, let's say, a governor of any state looking at the state budget and I'm looking at how much the state is spending on health care for pensioners, then I'm thinking, wow, nutritional supplements, pennies on the dollar here.
If I could get these people onto some basic nutrition, even something as simple as vitamin D, which prevents so many degenerative diseases, then I could help the state save, depending on the size of the state, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars in health care costs just through simple prevention that might only cost a million dollars.
Even if you handed out vitamin D for free to every state pensioner, It would still be, you'd save a hundred times that in cost.
Isn't it funny that we have all of the solutions to our problems and the only reason we're not implementing them is because the government steps in between and says that you can't do that.
Whether it's energy or supplements, healthcare, it's such a pattern and it tells you that we're not dealing with people who have our best interests at heart.
You've got people that are really just scheming and trying to figure out how they can Well, I think Ayn Rand said, you know, there are people who want to dominate.
And then there's the rest of us who simply want not to be dominated.
We go along, we're in good faith.
And I always say schemers are always 10 steps ahead of people in good faith.
And the truth is, they're probably 100 steps ahead and planning out ways to control people.
And they use government to do it.
And government has become, you know, an instrument in power.
Doing the very things it was designed to prevent.
Yeah, it's become a bludgeon against the people, really, these days.
Sad to say.
How can people help support your campaign?
Of course, we have LymanForUtah.com is your website.
Walk us through what people can do.
Are you looking for any volunteers there locally as well?
We've had such amazing grassroots volunteer effort, and I tell people all the time, if you want to help, just help spread the message.
This isn't This isn't about an election, you know, winning an election.
This is really about the state and preserving what's really important to us.
And Utah is in a...
Geographically, you know, we're out here in the West, and if Utah would step up, if we would say, you know, it's not right that the federal government controls and retains 67% of the state of Utah, I think...
Yeah, that's crazy.
It is crazy.
And I think Idaho would come along, Montana, Nevada...
Some of these Western states, I think, would get on board and say, and for me, it's not so much about the ownership as it is the jurisdiction.
The law is very clear that when Utah became a state, they gained jurisdiction over the land that is defined by that boundary that we know is Utah.
Over the years, we've given up the jurisdiction.
So whether it's ownership is a secondary question to me.
That's a federal problem.
They've got to decide...
How they square that with the Constitution that says they can't own the state.
But for the state itself, it's a jurisdiction question.
We have jurisdiction.
People say, well, how could Utah ever manage all of the public lands?
And I say, well, we've got these really nifty things called counties.
They were designed exactly for that purpose.
And, you know, to push that power out of the executive hands of the governor and down to the counties where people are closer to the effects of the decisions, it just makes for really good decision making.
And I think it's the heart of a Republican form of government.
That's what our founders really believed, is that the people will make better decisions.
And we're back to, you know, we're back to Ron Paul's statement about who do you trust.
Well, look, in my opinion, I agree with everything that you said, and it's been a real pleasure speaking with you today.
But in my opinion, it's even far worse than perhaps what you described there.
It's like the state of Utah has been colonized by the federal government that is preventing Utah from harnessing its natural resources that would make Utah so much stronger economically with energy and all the things that we've talked about.
harness that energy, making the U.S. dependent on energy from the Middle East, where the U.S. is involved in creating spiraling situations that may lead to World War III and horrible nuclear weapons outcomes.
And it's completely insane.
It's like, hey, here in America, through Texas and Utah and Colorado and Nevada and many other places, guess what?
We've got the resources that we need.
We just have to be brave enough and courageous enough to tap into it.
We can solve our own problems, but we're being restricted.
Well, and I always say strong states make for a strong United States.
If the United States wants a bunch of yes governors that will say yes to anything, we're not going to have a strong United States.
We're going to have a weak United States.
Again, I go back to the governors like Kristi Noem and Ron DeSantis, some of these governors that have stood up, and I just yearn for that for Utah.
I admire those other states, and I want to see Yeah, absolutely.
Well, we're right there with you.
So we wish you the best in your upcoming election.
In addition to just donating to your campaign, what else can people do to help support you?
You know, I would hope that people would go on social media, follow us on Twitter and Instagram and Facebook and be heard, weigh in on those things.
I feel like this is a movement and, you know, the woke culture is collapsing right under the feet of people like Spencer Cox and things that they've based their whole identity on is crumbling.
And I think that needs to continue.
And it's really just the truth, people telling the truth and sharing that on social media and keeping the movement going.
We've got some momentum and it's going to be a really interesting year between now and November.
Absolutely.
What's your Twitter handle?
Phil underscore Lyman.
Okay.
Phil underscore Lyman on X then.
And the website again is LymanForUtah.com.
And that's L-Y-M-A-N. I'm going to assume people can spell Utah.
All right.
So thank you, Governor Tobey, I hope.
Thank you for joining me today.
It's been a pleasure.
Thanks so much, Mike.
I really enjoyed it.
I have as well.
Okay, God bless you.
Take care.
We'll talk again.
You too.
All right, folks.
Hope you enjoyed that.
Just an amazing man there.
I think a great leader for not just Utah, but who knows beyond that for the nation as a whole.
But here in Texas, we are rooting for Phil Lyman to become the governor of Utah because we do need strong governors who believe in America first and that vision for America to recreate the abundance, the industry, the knowledge, the innovation for which it was once well known.
That time has faded, but we can bring it back if we're willing to work for it.
Thank you for watching today.
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