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March 12, 2024 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Former CIA analyst Larry Johnson joins Mike Adams for uncensored discussion...
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Welcome, everybody, to today's episode of Decentralized TV, a special episode here hosted on Brighteon.com, the platform that my company built so that we can engage in free speech.
And today we have an incredible guest who will help demonstrate the power of free speech and free thinking.
But first, let me introduce my co-host, Todd Pitner.
Welcome, Todd, to the show today.
Are you looking forward to this one or what?
Thank you.
I thought you were talking about me when you were talking about an incredible...
But I guess, as co-host, I'm not the guest.
You're an incredible co-host, but we have an incredible guest on top of the co-host.
Yes, we do.
I am very much looking forward to today, and I think everybody will click their heels and not realize, wow, an hour just went by.
Yeah, probably so.
Well, let's go ahead and bring him in right now.
It is Larry Johnson, a former CIA analyst, worked with the State Department, worked with Special Forces.
Welcome to the show, sir.
It's an honor to have you on today.
Thank you for having me.
Pleased to be here.
Well, we are happy to have you on.
And I just want to say, for the record here, we all are Americans.
We love America.
We want our country to succeed with its original founding vision.
We want freedom and liberty and a justice system that works.
And yet what you have spoken about so much in many of your interviews and what our audience is concerned about, since this is about decentralization, is really a you've commented on a very strong centralization of power into the hands of people who are incompetent and corrupt.
And they're harming our country, which means we're all harmed.
Can you give us a 50,000 foot view of where you think we are in history right now with America?
Well, yeah.
And let me tell you where I come from.
I have 28 ancestors that fought in the American Revolution in 1776.
One of them, my uncle, Charles Thompson, was the secretary of the Continental Congress.
He had been an apprentice to Benjamin Franklin, and he held the Declaration of Independence in his possession until the U.S. government was really fully stood up and functioning in 1798.
So my family's got some skin in this game.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
We go back into the 17th century.
So I think if you're here for more than 400 years, you get to be a Native American.
So I'm a Native American.
Good point.
And what I've watched unfold is with this attempt to concentrate power in Washington, D.C., it has really crossed party lines.
I don't even like the terms left and right anymore.
The terms Republican and Democrat are particularly meaningless.
I boil it down to this very, very simply.
The Declaration of Independence stated that all men are created equal, endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, and those rights are gifts from God.
And therefore, it's not granted to you by government.
It's your natural-born right.
And everyone, every living man, woman, child has that right.
And so what I look at is, do we have a government right?
Intent on protecting those rights or violating those rights.
And I would argue right now we're in an era where we've got a government that's violating those rights at will.
And it's time to push back.
It's a very dangerous situation.
Thank you for that introduction.
We have a lot of questions for you, both Todd and I, but one of the things I want to start with is, from what you just mentioned, Larry, the corruption leads to incompetence, and the incompetence is projected around the world where we end up in War situations, even provoking Russia right now, which seems to be a very dangerous game of nuclear chicken, we might say.
And yet, our side, the current people in charge, vastly overestimate the strength of our position.
Would you agree or disagree with that?
Oh, I absolutely agree.
In fact, we're like the guy who maybe thought he was a star athlete in high school, but we're now 30 years later.
70 pounds heavier.
Haven't been exercising much.
Donuts are like our favorite food.
And we decide we're going to go down to a nearby bar and get into a bar fight.
Now, we don't know who owns the bar.
We don't know who's inside the bar.
And we don't realize that the bar owner and the people inside the bar are all related.
So does it make sense to go in there and pick that kind of fight?
Well, absolutely not.
Because you're going to get thumped.
And so when we look at what's happened to the United States, to the military, you know, I've heard people like President Trump say, well, we've got the greatest military, the strongest military in the world.
No, we don't.
And we need to stop kidding ourselves.
We've got the most expensive military in the world.
And we have a military that is armed and equipped, not according to a national strategic plan.
You know, let's say, for example, you decided that, hey, I'm going to build me a cabin in the mountains of Montana.
So what kind of vehicle do I need to plan to live out there?
Oh, I know.
I'm going to get a Lamborghini.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, you're going to drive over four-wheel drive territory in a Lamborghini that sits about six inches off the ground.
So, you know, that would be stupid.
But that's exactly what we're doing in terms of how we determine what to staff and put in the U.S. military.
So right now we're spending upwards of $12 billion building aircraft carriers that frankly are as outmoded as the U.S. cavalry was going into World War II. Yeah, extraordinary.
And the Red Sea situation with the Hooties has really demonstrated that.
Yeah.
Look, you know, here's the Houthis with, you know, or the Yemenis, to be more precise, with, you know, I think the term that's been described as a, quote, shithole country.
They are nowhere near anywhere of first world military power.
And yet they've demonstrated what are the limits of U.S. military power.
We're running in airstrikes day after day.
Well, the problem is we don't have magic eyes.
And they're using mobile missile systems to keep moving.
And so they keep moving.
They keep shooting up ships.
They keep shooting down our Predator drones.
These Predator drones run $30 million, $38 million a pop.
The Houthis are shooting them down with missile technology that maybe costs $500,000.
You know, do the math!
That's an economic downer for us.
Exactly.
And this goes back to the corruption part of what you're talking about.
And I've got first-hand knowledge of this.
When I was in Bethesda, Maryland, my next-door neighbor was the number one defense lobbyist in town.
His company had all the, you know, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, all signed up.
And the way the game's played is his job was to go get from them money.
They would fund him.
Then every month he had to arrange at least one or two fundraising dinners a week.
And those fundraising dinners would be for various key members of Congress, Republicans and Democrats alike, who would gather.
And lo and behold, the executives from Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics and Raytheon and BAE Systems and SAIC, they all show up and put in their contributions to that member of Congress.
And then when it comes to appropriation time, boy, that member of Congress votes thumbs up.
We're going to send the money to you.
So it's really that corrupt circle that's going around.
And when they decide on weapons systems, again, it's not based upon a plan that says, okay, look, We are going to be facing the increased likelihood of drone and missile technology.
So the very last thing we want to have are aircraft carriers who are extremely vulnerable to hypersonic missiles, which the Russians and Chinese happen to have ample supply of, and we don't have, because we haven't developed it yet.
We failed in our development efforts.
So we end up spending, what is it, 70 plus million dollars on F-35 fighters.
And then when you start getting into, they become so prohibitively expensive.
That you then get really worried about, gosh, can we even deploy it here or could it get shot down?
So, I mean, it's ridiculous.
And so we're right now, if we had to go toe-to-toe with the Russians, they would beat us and beat us badly.
I think your assessment is spot on.
Todd, I know you've got a series of questions you want to lead off with.
Go for it.
Thank you.
Thank you, Larry, for being here.
Larry Johnson, sonar21.com.
Before I get to the big question that I'd like to ask, which is how big is the risk of a third world war, I'd like to talk about Operation Extermination.
I just read Right before we got on this, JapanToday.com, Trump endorses the Gaza cost.
I see Trump backs Israel's war in Gaza.
He was asked if he supported Israel and their war in Gaza.
And he said yes, that he was in Israel's camp.
And he stated this, which just stunned me.
You've got to finish the problem.
Oh my God.
That's what he said.
Yeah, I look at this and I'm like, first, you know, two-part question.
Is combating alleged terrorism a valid excuse, Larry, to commit genocide?
That's question one.
The second question, I'll ask it now, is what's really going on in Gaza?
Because I can't reconcile it.
I just cannot reconcile it.
Yeah, we've always used the threat of terrorism as an excuse to commit crimes.
We saw that in the so-called war on terror in the aftermath of 9-11, where they decided it was a good thing.
The CIA had no training or experience.
They didn't train any of their case officers in interrogation.
And, naturally so, because the role of a CIA case officer, someone who goes overseas to recruit spies, it's like a seduction process.
You know, trying to get a date with a man or a woman, depending on who you're after.
So, they went outside, and they started engaging in torture.
And we justified using the torture because, well, Kiefer Sutherland did it on 24, and Vince Flynn wrote about it in his books.
I just put a piece up last night that I was friends with Vince until he became so famous that he got rid of his old friends.
But early on in one of his early books, he credited me as being, quote, I want you as my technical advisor when they make this book into a movie.
And yet, you know, Vince went down this rabbit hole of, well, you know, the end justifies the means.
No, it doesn't.
You know, that's point number one, because once you lower yourself to behaving like the terrorists, then you become the very thing which you claim that you're trying to stop.
And, you know, I've had experience training Israeli police officers, and this goes back in, say, probably 2002.
And they were in Washington, D.C. for a senior crisis management seminar.
And I asked them at the time, I said, what was Israel's most effective counterterrorism operation?
And most of them said, oh, it was on Tevi.
And I said, no, you're wrong.
And they looked at me and said, well, what do you think it is?
I said, it was the capture of Adolf Eichmann.
Who played a key role in the Holocaust in exterminating over 450,000 Jews in Hungary, sending them to Auschwitz.
I said, because what you guys did is you captured him, but then you put him on trial.
You subjected him to Israeli law.
You gave him the presumption of innocence.
You allowed him to have defense counsel.
You allowed him to confront the witnesses.
But in the end, he was found guilty.
But you treated him fairly.
You showed that you were not like the Nazis.
You showed that you were different, that you abided by a rule of law.
Now, we've lived long enough, and this brings me to the second part of your question, that Israel has forgotten those roots.
It's now behaving exactly like the Nazis.
It is doing the same sort of extermination and genocide That the Nazis used.
They haven't gotten to gas chambers yet.
But Gaza itself was one big concentration camp, or at least a ghetto.
Oh, that's not fair.
Oh, really?
So go back and look at the Warsaw Ghetto where the Jews were incarcerated, starting, I think, in 1940.
They could not enter or leave at will.
They were guarded by Nazi guards at every entrance to it.
Food that entered into the facility was controlled.
Just like Gaza.
Just like Gaza.
No citizen of Gaza can freely leave or enter at will.
Israel guards the borders, and now they're controlling the arrival of food and humanitarian aid.
The weaponization of food scarcity, that's a weapon of mass destruction, you could say, targeting the civilian population.
Clearly it's a violation of numerous international treaties, if not just moral code.
We don't even get to treat prisoners of war that way.
Right.
You know, the Geneva Convention requires that with combatants, you know, you've got to make sure they have adequate food and that they're treated well.
And so what we've witnessed is, and this is the other reason I claim that Israel now is acting like Nazis.
The essence of the Nazi philosophy, and even the fascist philosophy, is that It assumes that there is one race or one group of people that are superior to others.
So they don't subscribe to the belief that all men, women, children are created equal by God.
They enter a system where there are some who are more equal than others, and therefore as long as the others are untermensch, that they're less than human, you can do whatever you want to them.
You can kill them.
You can rape them.
You can torture them.
You can starve them to death.
It doesn't matter because they're not the same as you.
They're not entitled to the same rights as you.
Well, you're allowed to use the term Zionism on this show, by the way.
We don't have to censor ourselves.
But, Todd, I'm really glad you brought that up from Trump.
I was not aware of that quote.
Now, I voted for Trump just a couple of days ago here in the primaries in Texas because I've been very public about this.
I don't agree with everything Trump's doing, but the alternatives are far worse.
And, Larry, my question to you is...
I believe, I think many Americans believe that the CIA, which had run a lot of color revolutions and so on in other countries around the world, was heavily involved in the rigging of the 2020 election.
Whether or not you agree with that assessment, do you think that the CIA or other intelligence agencies will be involved in trying to rig this year's election in order to stop Trump?
Well, in fact, I was one of the first ones to blow the whistle on the CIA's involvement in the 2016 election in particular.
In fact, Matt Taibbi recently wrote a piece with Michael Schellenberger, and they credited me with having been one of the first ones out there with that story.
Because starting in 2015, John Brennan, who was then the head of the CIA, put together a task force At the Central Intelligence Agency, and what a task force is, it's where you bring together analysts, operations personnel, admin personnel, the science and technology personnel, as well as people from other agencies, from the FBI, from the Department of Defense, from the Department of State.
You bring them together to work on a focused task.
The task started off as they were collecting intelligence from On all the candidates that were running against Hillary Clinton, both Republican and Democrat.
So they were collecting on Bernie Sanders.
They were collecting on Ted Cruz.
They were collecting on Marco Rubio.
They were collecting on Donald Trump.
And that started in the summer of 2015.
Because remember, in the summer of 2015, it wasn't clear yet who the new Republican nominee would be.
That's right.
There is one of the WikiLeaks cables that came out from the Hillary Clinton emails was an exchange between John Podesta, the campaign chairman, and a guy named Budowski.
And Mr.
Budowski, Brent Budowski is his name, and he was a Democratic operative.
And they were talking about how what they needed to do with Donald Trump was paint him as with a bromance with Vladimir Putin.
They were going they're going to use the Russia strategy to discredit Trump.
They made that decision in December and CIA was rapidly on board with it.
CIA was working with British intelligence.
British intelligence was actively involved in identifying George Papadopoulos, for example, who was then targeted and used as you know, he was set up.
And they used him to try to create evidence to prove the lie that Donald Trump was under the control or being influenced by the Russians, by Vladimir Putin and.
or that the Russians were interfering in the election.
The ones who interfered in the election were British intelligence, US intelligence, including both the CIA and the FBI. And I don't think they're done at all.
I think they remain active in trying to sabotage Donald Trump.
But Larry, why?
I mean, is the CIA an overtly corrupt arm of the government?
Are there any decent people left?
Or is leadership just in it for the brown paper bag, lollipops, and fancy pants?
Right.
Well, there are still good people of integrity at the CIA, but they're not running the place.
That's number one.
And the reason Trump is a threat, I agree with what you were saying earlier about criticizing his policy towards Israel, but he's not alone in that.
That's sort of a bipartisan failure in this country.
Both Republicans and Democrats are beholden to the Israeli Political Action Committee.
So there's this heavy support for the Zionist movement among the upper echelon of both the Democrat and Republican parties.
But what Trump represents is a threat to the deep state, to the corruption, to this revolving door that goes on where people that go into one, you know, where this Department of Defense or CIA, they get out, they go, they work maybe up on the hill.
They then work with defense contractors.
And a lot of money is being made.
I just have to insert myself here.
Is it or is it just kabuki theater?
Because when President Trump was in his first term, and I don't believe his first term didn't result in a second term, but it was like he was an empty suit.
I mean, I... There were all of these things, whether it's lock her up or in his position on the vaccines and everything.
I feel sometimes when people start talking about his support of the Gaza cost right now and giving him kind of a pass that, oh, well, that's kind of the same, the leadership of both sides.
At what point in time do we stop and say, no, this is wrong?
Well, he was naive.
He was naive when he started.
In fact, a good friend of mine He held a job that was very sensitive in the intelligence community, which meant that he had regular contact with not only Trump, he'd had contact previously with Obama and before that, George W. Bush.
And he told Trump at the start of his term that, hey, you need to get rid of these people, particularly at the top of the CIA and the Director of National Intelligence.
And Trump just said, oh, no, no, I've got this under control.
Well, two years later, Trump saw him at a Christmas party at the White House and went over to him and said, I should have listened to you.
You were right.
So Trump was naive.
He thought, you know, hey, I made all these deals with real estate that people in New York with mobsters, you know, I can handle these guys.
This is like organized crime on a different scale.
And it requires, and that's why they view Trump as a threat.
Because Trump's not one that's going to come to Washington, D.C. and get wealthy.
He started off wealthy.
So he doesn't need to make his money as Joe Biden has, as Barack Obama has, as George W. Bush has, as Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton have.
It's not just them.
Nancy Pelosi.
Go down the list.
Mitch McConnell.
Zelensky.
It would be unfair to call it a whorehouse.
Because at a house of ill repute, you at least pay your money and get satisfaction.
Here in Washington, D.C., you pay your money and just get screwed.
Larry, I want to shift gears here and ask you about this, and to my producers, run my screen here, if you would, please, for a moment, because what I'm showing here is now, in New York City, Governor Hochul, of course, has deployed 1,000 troops, a combination of National Guard and, I think, state troopers and others, that are now, I mean, you've got armed troops.
You know, camo-wearing military troops and law enforcement officers in the subways, blatantly violating Fourth Amendment rights of the citizens, just saying, hey, we want to search your bags.
And for the most part, those citizens are saying, sure, here, search my bags.
Make me feel safe.
How crazy is that?
What's your take on what the hell is going on in New York City that requires 1,000 troops in the subway right now?
Well, you've had a complete loss of control.
But that loss of control has been caused by people like Alvin Bragg.
And by the own laws that they passed, where basically they got rid of bail.
And so the policies that Rudy Giuliani enacted back in 1999 going into 2000-2001, where they got zero tolerance.
So if you were jumping the toll at the subway, you got arrested and incarcerated.
People, they could stop and search people.
They did violate the Fourth Amendment, but they caught a lot of drugs and guns, got them off the streets.
So New York City actually went through quite a renaissance where it was not this filthy, dirty place, dangerous.
Well, it's gotten dirty, dangerous, and filthy again.
And then it's all because of the lack of leadership, both by the current mayor and the previous mayor and the previous governor of Cuomo and now the Hochul.
Finally, things have gotten so bad that when they have to activate the National Guard, I can understand New Yorkers being happy to see them because you've got people being pushed under subway trains.
And robbed and assaulted and attacked.
I mean, it happens.
Even the two cops a few weeks ago were, you know, pummeled by a group of Venezuelan immigrants.
You know, they got ganged up on.
Yeah, exactly.
Go ahead, Todd.
I was going to say, isn't this all controlled demolition, though?
I mean, the leadership of this country right now and of the major cities are nothing but a bunch of, I mean, communists.
Yeah, well...
Again, I'm not sure what we mean anymore when we call people communists.
What I look at is, do they enforce the laws or not?
Do they enforce the laws fairly or not?
Do they hold people accountable for their actions?
If that's anti-communism, then I'm all in favor of that.
And if doing the opposite of that is communism, I'm opposed to that.
But what we've had is this...
And again, it's...
I don't like to necessarily label it as communists because we've seen it on both sides of the political aisle with both Republican and Democrat, not holding people accountable.
Go back to 9-11, 2001.
Who in the George W. Bush administration Was held accountable for that intelligence failure.
Who?
Nobody.
They gave excuses.
They gave everybody a pass.
Some of them got promoted.
And then you get the failures and judgment of, oh yeah, weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
That didn't exist.
But we got over 4,000 American boys and girls killed in a fruitless, feckless adventure there.
And then look at the latest with what's happened to Ukraine.
Nobody in the intelligence community stood up and provided the president or anybody or any member of Congress with any intelligence to suggest that, hey, putting sanctions on Russia is a bad idea and Because Russia controls so many natural resources, it's not going to affect them.
And in fact, it's going to probably incentivize Russia to stop using the U.S. dollar and working with other countries to stop using the U.S. dollar that it may actually hurt us a lot more than it's going to hurt Russia.
That's exactly what happened.
I'm so glad you brought that up.
And it has utterly obliterated the economy of Germany.
Not to mention the rest of Western Europe.
And I almost laughed the other day when I saw a headline that some leader in the EU wants to put the EU on a wartime economy track.
Now, I'm like, with what energy?
You know, you don't have energy.
You can't build tanks.
Are you kidding yourself?
Remember, Germany's being run by the Green Party with this whole climate change nonsense.
You know, another scam.
That'll end well.
Yeah, we live in an era of lies.
You know, we're told the lies about, oh, if we don't stop using petroleum, that the world's going to end in eight years, and all the oceanfront properties owned by the Clintons and the Obamas are going to get swallowed up by the sea, which is why they're spending millions of dollars to build oceanfront properties.
Okay?
So you stick with that.
Oh, you know what?
Men can get pregnant and can breastfeed.
And so we're going to, you know, just because you say you're a potato, you get to be a potato.
And not only can men get pregnant, Larry, but Ukraine has just announced they're going to have another counteroffensive that's going to work this time.
They're really going to kick Russia's butt.
Yeah, don't hold your breath on that.
Hey, Larry, I have a really important question.
This was based upon listening to you during another interview.
But speaking of Zelensky, how tall would a Ukrainian president have to be to join NATO, Larry?
How what?
How tall?
It's like six flags over Texas.
You've got to be this high to get on this ride.
I think the idea ought to be that Macron and Zelensky can stand on each other's shoulders and maybe reach the height requirement.
It is remarkable We've got so many people in the administration, like the Victoria Nuland, thankfully she's on her way out, Tony Blinken, and then many of the other neocons.
One of the reasons they always identify Russia as the bad guy is because of Russia's imperial history of being anti-Semitic and persecuting Jews and the pogroms.
And then when you ask, hey, so where were your relatives from?
So, Anthony Blinken's great-grandfather who was a victim of these pogroms, where was he from?
Just outside of Kiev.
That's Ukraine.
That's not Russia.
And so what you find is that this concentration of anti-Semitic activity And prosecution, persecution of Jews took place in what we call present-day Ukraine.
Now, Ukraine didn't begin to exist as a country on a map until after 1904.
But the point is that now we're back in a country that is largely inspired by neo-Nazi beliefs.
And people just try to pretend that, oh, they can't be Nazi.
They got a Jew as a president.
Well, Sorry, go back to look at what the Nazis did in World War II. They set up in all of the ghettos Judenrat.
The Judenrat were governing councils headed by the local, by Jews, by prominent Jews.
And many of them were corrupt.
Many of them colluded with the Nazis, and all of them wound up dead in the gas chambers in Auschwitz.
They thought they could buy their way out, and it turned out they couldn't.
So here's Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
Who grew up speaking Russian, not Ukrainian, claiming now to be the ultra-Ukrainian, and they can't be Nazis because he's Jewish.
Well, excuse me, that's exactly what's going on in Ukraine.
And the refusal to admit that is just shameful.
But it's part of this whole Truman Show reality that the West is living under, and they only get their information from their own bubble, so the delusions are reinforced.
But I want to ask you about Victoria Nuland, because of course she announced her resignation That is a monumental event in the relations between Europe and the United States as well as Russia and the United States.
I want to ask your assessment of why she resigned.
I mean, it was out of the blue.
It was a surprise as far as any of us know, but was it tied to the fact that that The German audio leaked that there was going to be a German missile attack on a Crimean bridge.
Is there any indication that that was one of Newland's nasty surprises, or is that unrelated?
I think it's unrelated.
Let's understand who she was.
So she was a career Foreign Service officer.
That means she took the Foreign Service exam, passed and was accepted in, and then she rose through the ranks pretty quickly.
She became Chief of Staff to Strobe Talbot, who I think he was at one point Deputy Secretary of State or maybe in charge of what they call the Undersecretary for Political Affairs.
So ultimately, she came back into the Biden administration as the Undersecretary for Political Affairs.
From the standpoint of a Foreign Service officer, there are only two jobs at State Department ultimately worth having.
Well, really three.
Either to be called ambassador, you get that, once you get that title, you got that for life, or to be secretary of state, or to be the undersecretary for political affairs.
The reason for that is the undersecretary for political affairs sits atop all of the regional bureaus.
So that means the Latin America section, the section that deals with Africa, the section that deals with Europe, the section that deals with the Middle East, the section that deals with Southeast Asia and Southwest Asia, and then with Russia.
All of them report to that undersecretary.
Very powerful position, because that person then determines which cables goes out.
What's the policy positions?
What are our top four or five priorities?
So she was setting that.
They made her acting deputy secretary.
And I've heard some speculate that, oh, because she wasn't going to get full deputy secretary, that's why she left?
Yeah.
The deputy secretary is like being vice president.
Someone, I think it was a Garner who described it as it was like a cup of warm spit, or maybe that was Harry Truman.
It's not a great job to have, but the undersecretary for political affairs, important job.
I think part of what's going on is Newland realized that the Biden administration is shifting its policy away from Ukraine.
And that her efforts to try to stop that, to try to counter that, were rebuffed.
And so she's resigning in protest because she's no longer going to be a party to the sellout of Ukraine.
And I think the sellout of Ukraine is coming.
That was my next question, actually.
I'm glad you brought that up.
Is the Biden administration ready to just abandon Ukraine, shift to the Middle East or China even, and just hope the American people have really short memories, which they do, by the way, and just let Ukraine collapse under the weight of its own failed corruption or what?
What's the plan, you think?
Well, I don't think either of you are old enough to remember Captain Kangaroo, or maybe you do.
Yeah, I'm older than I look.
I do remember Captain Kangaroo.
So, right next to Mr.
Rogers on those mornings.
You remember the...
Trick, whatever he did, where he had all those plates, spinning plates and all these sticks.
You know, I had like 10 plates spinning and trying to keep them up so they don't fall down.
That's the Biden administration right now, except their hair is on fire.
The hair is on fire in the Middle East.
The hair is on fire with the Houthis.
The hair is on fire with Iran.
The hair is on fire with China.
And boy, they got a full-fledged conflagration going with Ukraine.
So where do you...
Great managers.
You only got a bucket of water now.
You only got one bucket.
Maybe two.
Which fire are you going to put out first?
Two years ago, the only fire in town really was Ukraine.
China was out there on the fringes, but there wasn't that much concern yet about China.
But that's not the case today.
So, at the top of the pyramid, the number one priority is what's going on in Israel and Palestine.
And Joe Biden, they're trying to walk a tightrope on this.
On the one hand, he does not want to alienate the American-Israeli Political Action Committee.
He wants to stand strong with Israel, back them up.
But they realize they've got a real political problem within the Democrat ranks, that the people up in Minnesota and Michigan, the Muslim populations, Arab and American populations, they're not having any of it.
Let me...
Go ahead.
No, I'm sorry, but...
To kind of aggregate what you're saying here, the incompetence and the arrogance of the current administration in the State Department has long-term consequences that will affect every American.
We're talking about the rise and fall of nations.
And I want to show something on my screen here.
This is from TASS, the Russian news agency.
Kremlin announces creation of blockchain-based payment system in BRICS. So the...
The economic sanctions against Russia, plus the current argument of the West wanting to steal the nearly $300 billion in Russian assets held in Western banks, essentially, held in Western currency, this has only, I would argue, accelerated the move of Russia, Iran, China, and other BRICS nations to find an alternative to dollar transactions.
And there was another headline just today, I think it's India, I'm pretty sure it's India announcing The dollar is no longer necessary for trading in any energy in and out of India.
You can pay in rupees now.
That's on top of the rubles in Russia and so on and the yuan.
Isn't it exactly this kind of thing that the Bidens and the Newlands and so on have pushed us toward which can end U.S. financial dominance and end the quality of life that we have known our entire lives?
Yeah, well, it is ending.
It's coming to an end.
We're witnessing the end of an era.
And it was so unnecessary.
You know, Russia today is not what the Soviet Union was.
And in fact, I've argued that in many aspects, the United States is becoming more like what the old Soviet Union was when they were ruled by a gerontocracy, a bunch of doddering old guys, you know, that probably had to wear adult depends like Joe Biden.
Mentally unfit.
Becoming sclerotic at the top.
And then having an economy that was not necessarily working well.
There's so much...
Russia and the United States really should be natural allies.
What Russia has become is a Christian nation.
A very strongly Christian nation.
With the Eastern Orthodox Church...
And they're very, very prominent.
There are the number of Americans and Australians and Canadians that are moving to Russia with large families because Russia is welcoming.
Russia rejects the whole woke ideology.
But Vladimir Putin is very upfront about, hey...
You know, if you're homosexual, what you do in the privacy of your bedroom, that's your business.
But we're not going to make that a policy of state.
We're going to encourage the marriage of men and women, the families of mothers and fathers.
In fact, he made that point at the youth conference just yesterday where he said everyone's born from a mother and a father.
And so, you know, they're very traditional in that regard.
They have fought and won a war against Islamic extremists.
They oppose Islamic extremists.
They are very much against the importation and use of drugs, things like fentanyl and other substances.
So we've got a lot of areas where we would be in agreement culturally or at least used to be in agreement culturally.
Right.
And that's part of the problem.
The United States is facing its own internal civil war where we're destroying ourselves with the drug trafficking, with the rising crime, with the embrace of these so-called alternative lifestyles, which have at the very heart of it is an attack on Christianity which have at the very heart of it is an attack Not just an attack on Christianity, because Muslims as well reject Christianity.
This notion that men can be women, women can be men.
It's the attack on the family.
Yeah, it's the attack on the family.
That's right, that's right.
Muslim families, Christian families, Jewish families, just all family values are under attack.
I would argue family values are human values.
This is the sustainability of the human race.
So those who are attacking it are anti-human, or promoting anti-human ideas, I should say.
Todd, I'll go to you next, but I just want to give Larry a chance to describe his website, sonar21.com.
Larry, you want to give us a quick overview of what people can find on your website?
It's sort of my psychotherapy, where I try to look at what's going on in the world and try to, because of my background, having worked at the CIA, Having worked at State Department in counterterrorism and in that job worked closely with both the FBI,
with transportation security, with U.S. military special operations, I bring a very unique view, understanding both how intelligence and policy come together, what are a lot of the factors that are unseen that people don't understand that could be helping produce a policy.
You know, for example, when the New York Times put out a piece over a week ago Monday describing all the CIA activities in Ukraine, my job was to help explain what that really means.
That was not just the result of some intrepid reporter getting his hands on a story.
This was a deliberate leak, and it had a very specific purpose.
And so my goal is to try to cut through the propaganda that is bombarding the American public And force them into looking at the alternatives and recognizing when they're being played, when they're being lied to.
Larry, I'm sorry to interrupt, but why put your neck on the line to do what you do?
What drives you?
Because you're doing a lot of interviews.
I've always been a contrarian.
You know, you can go back and look at my third grade report cards.
Talks too much.
Who knew?
It would come in handy.
I'm not making money off of it, that's for sure.
I was a Fox News analyst for a year, 2002, going into 2003.
And when I did the Hannity and Combs show back in November of 2002...
I was asked about, should we go into Iraq?
And I said at the time, invading Iraq would be a mistake, that the United States was not in a position to fight a two-front war, and that we should focus on Afghanistan and finish the job there.
Well, Roger Ailes took umbrage with that, sent down word that I wasn't to be allowed on air anymore.
Oh, wow.
To his credit, though, they paid out the contract.
It ended in January.
But they made sure that I was no longer on air.
I used to be interviewed frequently by CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, all of the various cable and broadcast news shows.
But when I became a critic of Barack Obama, boy!
I lost the line.
That's not allowed either.
So, you know, I've been alienating to both sides on the issues, both the so-called conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats.
I just, I feel, I've never liked bullies.
And that's been my thing.
I'm with you on that.
And so my speaking out is my effort to punch back against bullies.
Well, we are, on this show, we're not tied to any political tribe either, or any religious tribe, you might say.
And, of course, we take great issue with what the Zionists are doing right now in Gaza.
And I recently had a pro-America, pro-Texas Muslim in studio here the other day talking about freedom and what the Muslim community, what they admire about America and about Texas, pro-Second Amendment, pro-First Amendment, the whole deal.
So, you know, we are independent thinkers.
Our audience is, too.
Now, Todd, I know you've got a lot more questions, but I just wanted to put that out there, that we're with you, Larry.
Thank you.
This isn't about joining a tribe.
This is about we've got to use our brains and our moral compass if we're going to bring us back to what this country was founded on.
But, Todd, it's all yours.
Amen.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah, I mean, we talk a lot about NPCs, non-playing characters, and I submit that our job right now is to go out and find others like us.
And who are they like us?
It's those who possess the ability to critically think.
So thank you for being a leader in critical thinking.
You know, the movie Wag the Dog destroyed me forever because now I look at war a little bit differently and I know it's really good for big business.
It's good for business.
But what I can't reconcile that maybe you can help me out because I know from a fascism standpoint that, you know, big business is when you talk about deep state, I don't know who Deep State is.
Who are they?
Maybe you do.
But I have a sneaky suspicion it has something to do with the major, huge corporations that run the show, the Black Rocks, etc.
My question is this.
Illegal immigration is going to be the destruction of our country.
And my question is...
Who benefits?
Help me understand the money flow.
Who in this crazy country that's running the show are benefiting from all of these illegal immigrants coming in?
I just don't know.
Okay, so one of my good friends, Mark Thompson.
Mark was the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State in the Bureau of Counterterrorism.
He'd served in the Marine Corps, left the Marine Corps as a major, was one of the whistleblowers on Benghazi, caught a lot of pressure after that, was basically forced to resign.
He retired, lives in Iowa, Clarion, Iowa, and he's become an Iowa state legislator recently.
The reason I raise his name, he's been a leader now in Iowa going after the human trafficking, which all stems from these illegal immigrants.
And why is he worried about it in Iowa?
Well, these illegal immigrants are being funneled into turkey farms, pig farms, chicken farms, meat packers.
And a lot of those people that own those businesses tend to be Republican, not just Democrat, Republican.
And so there's money to be made because you can bring in these illegals.
You don't have to provide them with health care.
You don't have to provide them with a minimum wage.
You can basically, you've got slave labor.
And they take advantage and exploit these people.
Some of them are so desperate to get into the United States that they'll put up with that.
And then, you know, several of the young women and the young men, they're sex trafficked.
You know, they're forced to sell their bodies.
So there are people making money off of that, too.
Okay.
Okay, thank you.
Todd, that's a very important question.
You know, follow the money, you're absolutely correct.
But there's also, I mean, we've covered before how the corrupt Democrats in California get, you know, money under the table from the drug traffickers.
Cartels pay them off to look the other way.
And I'm sure it's not just Democrats that are involved in that, you know?
Guys, it's U.S. corporations.
So one of the things, me and my partners, I had two other partners, John Moynihan, Bobby Nieves.
When we started Berg Associates in 1998, Bob had been the chief of international ops at DEA. John Moynihan ran DEA's undercover money laundering operations in New York City.
One of our very first projects was to bring a civil racketeering case against the tobacco company.
We started with Philip Morris.
Our client in this was the European Union and the governors of Columbia.
It should have been a criminal case but it was a civil case.
Philip Morris settled Because what they were doing was they were working with the drug traffickers, with the Mexican cartel, with the Colombian cartel.
Knowingly, willingly, we had the evidence.
Doing what?
What were they doing with the cartels?
They were selling, they were laundering money.
Because what would happen is the cartels would pay a premium for a master case of cigarettes.
Huh.
And then the cartels would take those master cases of cigarettes.
Then they would sell them at a discount.
So, yeah, they'd lose $60, $70 a master case, with a master case normally costing around $250, $300.
But then the drug cartels could say, hey, this is where the money – this money came from the sell of cigarettes.
It didn't come from selling drug trafficking.
But we had evidence where Philip Morris executives would fly into Venezuela and then cross the border and go into a small town called Maical.
And Maical was the smuggling center for Colombia.
And the state senator for that was a guy named Santander Lope Sierra.
Well, We're good to go.
Third-party checks, U.S. postal money orders that are not supposed to be outside the United States.
And then they took them back, and a lot of the money was deposited into Russian banks.
They were laundering it through Russian banks.
We knew that because one of our other first jobs was on the Bank of New York Russian money laundering case, and we got the bank records for a bunch of Russian banks who were able to track their transactions.
But my point was...
And it's not just, look, it's not just Philip Morris.
John Deere.
We got called in by the security director for John Deere several years ago because they were getting these odd checks that were being drawn.
You know, the normal way is like if you're going to buy a $2 million tractor, will you draw up a check, $2 million in your name?
Hey, Mike Brown, here you go.
No, that's not what was happening.
They were getting what are called third-party checks.
And what was taking place is the Colombian drug traffickers set up a system called the Black Market Peso, which was a way that people could buy U.S. dollars on the black market and then pay for goods in the United States.
And when we informed John Deere about this, the CEO told the security director, never mind, it's not our problem, we're not going to worry about it.
So my point is, it's not just the politicians.
It's mainstream business.
And it cuts across.
It's liquor companies, it's tobacco companies, it's companies that sell shoes, electronics, because there's so much money to be made.
Well, let's follow the money to the tip of the spear.
And as I understand it, I may be off by 5% or so, but I think the number is 85%.
Of all business within the United States flows up through two companies, BlackRock and Vanguard.
Those are the two.
So you think about the leadership of those two organizations, and when you start talking about deep state, I can't help but to think that the money flows there and that they're pulling the strings.
Am I wrong?
You're talking about public companies that are held.
Yes.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
85%.
In the deep state, you're dealing with senior bureaucrats.
People who have risen to the level of GS-14, GS-15, or the first Senior Executive Service, SES, or an intelligence scientist called SIS, Senior Intelligence Service.
And, you know, they're careers, and they recognize we can outweigh any president.
But they got weaponized.
They got weaponized in 2016 in a way that we've never seen before.
Who weaponized them?
Well, they weaponized themselves because, you know, John Brennan, for example, he was counting on, you know, a better position with Hillary Clinton, counting on her winning the election.
I know for a fact that there were two of the generals who used to run the Joint Special Operations Command.
One was an Army general and one was a Navy admiral that they they were present with a with someone I know.
And they were arguing in the summer of 2015 over what job they were going to get in the Hillary Clinton administration.
Yep.
So they were pissed off when Trump won, and when you say weaponized, they decided that, okay, you guys have messed, you walked into the wrong saloon here, and we're going to destroy you.
They went after Mike Flynn.
They deliberately targeted and falsely accused him.
Absolutely.
Send in a message.
Larry, I want to be respectful of your time, and I can't believe the hour's already gone.
But one last question.
Do we make it to Election Day here this year?
Do you think we have proper presidential elections this year, or is the deep state so desperate that they'll find a way to stop it?
No, I think we'll make it to Election Day.
We've made it to elections during the Civil War.
We made it to elections during World War II, during World War I, so we'll make it.
The question is whether the Republicans will frankly get off their ass and do what's necessary in order to ensure the integrity of the electoral system.
We already saw that in places like Georgia where the governor, ostensibly a Republican, completely abdicated his role and that they did not even follow proper procedures in Georgia.
And Donald Trump only lost that state by 12,000 votes.
And yet they say that his claim that the election was stolen is absurd.
What's absurd is to accept the fact that that was a legitimate election.
That's what's absurd.
Yes, clearly.
All right.
Well, Larry, I really want to thank you for your time and your analysis and also your patriotism to this great republic.
And your website, sonar21.com, that's where people can follow your work.
And we've really enjoyed this conversation.
And I'd love to have you back in the future.
I'd be happy to do so, guys.
Thank you for having me.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, Larry.
You rock.
You're awesome.
Yeah, thanks a lot.
Have mouth, we'll travel.
Love it.
All right.
I just want to see the video from your third grade class.
That's all.
I don't ask for much.
A nightmare.
We're all fortunate that we're old enough that there weren't videos of our childhood posted all over the internet.
Yeah, true.
Thank God for that.
Okay.
Thank you, Larry.
And Todd and I will be back after this short break with our after-party discussion.
So stay tuned with us here on Decentralized.tv.
Also, have you seen these?
These are gold backs, and we've got different denominations to show you there.
They come in 50, 25, 10, 5, and 1s.
That's a stack of 1s.
This is 1,000th of a troy ounce of gold, and it's embedded in the polymer layers in the gold backs, and you can get them, again, at those different denominations, so it's good divisibility of gold.
And since the gold is in the goldback itself, it's not some fiat currency.
It's actually a piece of gold that you can use for gifts or barter or trade.
Even in a local community, if the grid goes down, a lot of people might be using gold and silver or goldbacks.
Now, if you go to our website, verifiedgoldbacks.com, that's our affiliate site, we do earn a little bit off your purchase there, but what we've done is we've done the laboratory testing.
And on that site, you'll see my lab test results, how we tested them using a kiln, using an ICP-MS mass spec instrument, using an acid stone test here as well.
We verified the purity and the masses of the gold that are embedded in these different bills.
And in fact, I've got here in these vials in my hands right here, this is actually one of the pellets of gold.
I melted it down into like a BB shape.
I don't know if you can see it, but I've got gold in these three vials right here.
Yeah, there you can kind of see it moving around there.
You can hear them.
And we did the tests on these, and this is the gold that came out of these goldbacks.
So we were able to confirm the gold is real.
It's 24 karat plus, and it actually exceeds the mass that's required.
Our recovery ranged from 102% to about 100 and, what was it, typically 105%.
I've got the results here.
Check this out.
Look at these photos.
I did all this myself.
So if you melt them down, you get this, and then you keep melting, you get it into like a pellet, and then you use an analytical balance in the laboratory, and you do the math.
It's pretty amazing.
At first you get this gold foil, which is pretty cool, and then you can melt the foil into this BB pellet-looking thing.
Anyway, here's the recoveries we got.
From a low of 102.89%, or 101.96%, that's the lowest, to 107% recovery.
And the bottom line is, if you want real gold in your hands that's divisible, that is also incredibly beautiful, that people instantly love, they recognize this, they see, wow, that's gold, and they're actually looking at gold.
This isn't paint.
this is the gold just kind of made really thin and put into this format and then sandwiched between polymers.
Goldbacks are your answer.
So check out verifiedgoldbacks.com and there you can purchase goldbacks and you can help support this platform at the same time because we earn a small percentage.
And this is a really good form of off grid money.
And you might have gold coins or silver coins, And I strongly encourage gold and silver coins, but a gold coin is a pretty big piece of value to try to trade with, you know?
You're at a farmer's market, like, I want a loaf of bread.
What do you have?
I have a one-ounce gold coin.
Well, that's worth $2,200 now, or $2,200.
Gold's skyrocketing.
So, what are you going to do?
Like, buy a loaf of bread and then give me change for the one ounce of gold?
No.
But if you're trying to buy that loaf of bread with a goldback, you say, hey, how would you like one one thousandth of an ounce of gold for that loaf of bread in this format, goldbacks, which actually has a premium over just the raw price of gold because it's better than just one one thousandth of an ounce of gold.
I mean, it's in a format that's...
It's beautiful to look at.
It's durable.
You can carry it.
It fits in a wallet or a pocket or a purse.
A lot of merchants will say, absolutely, I'll take that gold.
And now you can buy a loaf of bread or you can buy a bag of potatoes or whatever, depending on what the economy looks like after the debt collapse.
I don't know what it's going to look like exactly, but I know I want gold and silver, and I want to have lots of different options of money that works off-grid.
So, yeah, our grid's not reliable.
Our monetary system is not reliable.
The currency is not reliable.
But you know what you can count on?
Physical gold and silver in your hands.
That's what you can count on.
It doesn't need a password.
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It doesn't need the bank's permission to have value.
It doesn't need the backing of a government.
You don't have to have faith in the treasury to confiscate money from people.
This has value all by itself.
And gold has had value for centuries.
I mean, come on, millennia, what am I saying?
And it will continue to have value long after the collapse of the dollar and probably the collapse of Western civilization itself.
So, there you go.
That's why the wealthy are buying gold like crazy.
That's why gold is spiking.
What is it now?
Let me actually bring it up.
Gold.
Here it is right now, gold at $2,128.
Silver at $23.67.
These are all skyrocketing.
Bitcoin is skyrocketing.
Gold is skyrocketing.
Monero is skyrocketing.
Why?
Because people who know what's about to happen, they are bailing out of the banks.
They're bailing out of the dollars.
They're getting out of the system.
They're going to off-grid forms of asset protection, and that's gold and silver and land and certain types of crypto and maybe food supplies or ammunition supplies.
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Look at that.
That's beautiful.
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This is so cool.
The 50 is thick.
It is very thick.
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It's thicker.
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So they've done a great job with this, the Goldback Company, and this is something that has really intrigued a lot of people, and it's another form of having stores of value that are highly divisible and have high utility, more utility than just a one-ounce coin itself.
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