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March 1, 2024 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Roger Stone joins Mike Adams with fresh analysis on Trump, Israel, Ukraine, Russia...
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Welcome to today's interview on Brighton.com.
I'm Mike Adams, and we are joined once again by Roger Stone, who we spoke with several weeks ago, a very popular interview, had a really great response.
Roger loves America.
He's done a tremendous amount of work for America.
His website is StoneZone.com, and he joins us today to give us the latest updates on Donald Trump's presidential campaign, the weaponization of the judicial system, and other world events.
Welcome to the show, Roger.
It's great to have you back on.
Mike, it is great to be back with you again.
God bless you.
God bless you too, Roger, and I really appreciate you taking the time.
We had a wonderful conversation, you know, a month ago, whatever it was, and people wanted you back.
You're very gracious to come back and spend time with us.
So let's start with now the weaponization of the judicial system.
It's clear that every measure is being taken to unfairly persecute Donald Trump, to target him financially and through lawfare, even at the expense of perverting the entire judicial foundation upon which this country is based.
Where do you think this is going?
I'm talking about the New York case in particular.
And Trump is obviously filing for appeal on that, but he had to put up hundreds of millions of dollars just to do that.
Where do you think that's going and what does it mean for America if the left can weaponize every institution against us?
Well, Mike, let me first say that as a veteran of 13 national presidential campaigns and 45 years in the American political arena, I really have never seen anything like this before.
This is a new development.
So it is absolutely clear that the judicial system at both the state and federal level has been completely politicized and completely weaponized against Donald Trump.
I don't really think he is guilty of any crimes.
In the New York case, which is particularly egregious, he borrowed money from banks.
He put up collateral to secure those loans.
Those banks conducted their own appraisal of the value of that collateral.
They made loans on the basis of their own appraisal.
They were paid an enormous amount in interest.
They made $40 million in interest.
And none of them are unhappy.
By the way, they're all paid either on time or in some cases a little early.
So there's no victims in this crime.
The complaint wasn't brought by somebody who was victimized.
There was no complaint.
This is a complaint that was cooked up by a politicized attorney general.
And Letitia James, who, as you know, ran for office before she was even Attorney General, saying that she was going to get Donald Trump.
She was going to put Donald Trump on trial, despite the fact that she still wasn't in office and had no evidence in hand of any crimes by Donald Trump.
Now, to make things even worse, the judge basically convicted Trump before the trial even began.
He declared him victory.
No, there was not a mistake by Trump's lawyers who failed to check a box.
That's false.
The specific law that the attorney general brought this case under does not provide under any circumstances for a jury trial.
Although there's no guarantee that in Manhattan, the most liberal enclave perhaps in the country, that the result would have been any different.
But it would have only taken at least one juror to be sane.
So, and as you correctly point out, just the cost of appealing this to the appeals court, which, by the way, is also an elected court that is done on a partisan basis, so completely wrong.
Staffed and peopled by elected left-wing Democrats.
Just appealing costs a half-billion-dollar bond.
So Trump has to come up with the cash, even though he doesn't have to forfeit all of it.
My guess is that he won't actually get justice until he gets to the New York State Supreme Court, and even then it's not guaranteed.
Now, this is happening simultaneously with his appeal of two defamation cases where a woman, E. Jean Carroll, who seems like a pretty zany character to me, claims that Trump raped her in the dressing room of a very expensive, upscale department store.
Trump continues to deny that.
In the defamation case, the first one, the jury did not find, pardon me, the judge did not find that Trump had raped her, but he did find that Trump had sexually assaulted her and had warded the woman, I think it was $85 million.
Then Trump went out publicly and said, I'd never rape this woman.
She filed yet another defamation suit.
And there was a second finding against Trump for simply saying that he didn't know the woman and he didn't rape her for another, I think it was, $58 million.
These awards are outrageous.
There's no precedent for this.
And it's clear that if you're Donald Trump, any Any woman, I'm not speaking about this case in particular, but leftist operatives can find any woman just out of the woodwork to claim anything against Donald Trump, and then when Donald Trump says, no, I didn't do that, then she sues for defamation, and the jury, which has been programmed to hate Trump by the liberal media, awards tens of millions of dollars, or the judge does that.
I mean, it is such a rigged system.
Well, it's even worse than that, Mike, because in this particular case, they changed the state law specifically to extend the statute of limitations so that Trump could be sued over these claims.
And then additionally, what you say is exactly right.
This woman, E. Jean Carroll, according to a piece I wrote in Red in Vanity Fair, met George Conway, the left wing attorney at a cocktail party.
And he said, well, why don't you sue?
She said, I can't because it's time barred.
He said, well, we can fix that.
They went to a friendly state legislator.
They got the law adjusted so that Trump was subject to sue.
And then he helped find her the financing from this fellow, Reid Hoffman, who's a major donor to left wing causes.
And also, we know, visited Epstein's Island numerous times who funded the lawsuit.
Then you have, of course, the upcoming business records case in which it is alleged that Donald Trump paid hush money to a woman.
He denies it.
The government's chief witness has denied it on multiple occasions.
He keeps changing his story.
At best, this would be a business records case, a civil case, but the Soros-funded prosecutor in that case has bumped that up to a criminal felony.
That's probably the next legal action.
All of this is designed, of course, to do three things.
One, to distract Donald Trump's time.
So the time he should be out campaigning, because he's the frontrunner for President of the United States in the Republican Party, the time he should be out campaigning is distracted for these courtroom antics.
Secondarily, it drains his money.
The cost of his lawyers is astronomical.
And lastly, it's of course meant to sully his name, further blacken his name.
He's a rapist.
He's a thief.
Of course, he's neither one.
So that is the designed goal of the tsunami of lawfare.
And we haven't even gotten into the federal cases yet.
I mean, there, it's even more egregious.
It's pretty clear to me.
That under the 1997 Presidential Records Act, that Donald Trump, as a former President of the United States, or as President of the United States, has the authority to dispose of his documents in any way he wishes.
He can decide what to keep, he can decide what to return for the government.
It's actually a decision in D.C., in the D.C. Circuit, by Judge Amy Berman Jackson, the same judge who sat on my case, in which she ruled that former President Bill Clinton I'm sorry to interrupt, but what you're saying is really critical here.
A Democrat can do anything they want with their records, or as happened recently, the DOJ refused to prosecute Joe Biden for mishandling classified documents, claiming that he was too old and senile to prosecute.
Yeah, exactly right.
But Trump can't do anything without being accused of being a criminal, even if it's the exact same actions that a Democrat took.
Well, and it's actually more egregious than that in the sense that I think that the deep state brought this documents case in Florida with the expectation that that would be enough to destroy and perhaps even incarcerate Trump.
Until the luck of the draw brought them an honest judge, Judge Eileen Cannon.
Yes, she's a Trump appointee.
They didn't complain when Obama appointees oversaw Paul Manafort's trial or General Flynn's trial or my trial.
That's perfectly all right.
But now you will hear the talking heads on MSNBC, Andrew Weissman and Neil Keitel.
She's incompetent.
She's a right.
No, she's an honest judge.
That's your problem.
She's an honest judge and you can't stand that.
So that is why they engineered this further prosecution of Trump in Washington, D.C., Where he's essentially accused of questioning the outcome of an election, which I believe he has a First Amendment right to do.
And, of course, their argument is, well, wait a minute.
He was told by the attorney general that he lost.
He was told by the head of the FBI that he lost.
He was told by the national security apparatus that he lost.
None of which matters, of course, because what only matters is what he believed.
Exactly.
Mens rea, as the lawyers say.
What was in his mind?
I know this, Donald Trump does not believe today, did not believe then, will never believe We're good to go.
Look, it's obvious to our audience and to myself as well.
Let me adjust this so we can see you better.
It was rigged.
Obviously it was rigged.
They just kept running ballot stuffing, running ballots over and over again.
They did mail-in ballots and then they just harvested the ballots and ran them through mules like D'Souza's movie talks about.
We know that.
But I need to ask you this question.
About New York and about Letitia James there and her persecution of Donald Trump.
The lengths that they're willing to go to to get Trump, isn't it putting the entire real estate economy of New York, the state of New York, in jeopardy?
Because any investor now looking at New York would have to say, well, wait a minute.
Why would I put money into New York?
Why would I get financing in New York?
Why would I build a hotel or homes or apartments in New York if years later...
If they don't like me, they can come back and claim that I misvalued my properties for that loan from 15 years earlier, and they can throw me in jail and confiscate my property and fine me hundreds of millions of dollars.
I mean, isn't every investor now thinking that?
Haven't the Democrats once again committed a kind of self-immolation, destroying their own local real estate economy just to get Trump?
I think that's precisely correct.
And you have seen, if you've watched on a number of the financial shows, people, businessmen and women, who are not Trump supporters, who are not Republicans, who don't think as you and I do, saying, well, why would I make any investments in New York?
I would go to someplace that is safer, someplace where the system will not be rigged against me.
But here's a larger and more expansive example of this.
Trump has argued in D.C., That he's entitled to presidential immunity.
As a former president, the acts that he performed during his time as president should afford him legal immunity.
Special Counsel Jack Smith, when that was rejected by the trial court judge, wanted to leapfrog the appeals court and go directly to the Supreme Court.
That's because he urgently wants to have a trial before the election.
This is all about the election.
And to their credit, the Supreme Court would not allow that.
They wouldn't hear it.
They insisted that it go first to the DC Court of Appeals.
Now, Trump's defeat in the DC Court of Appeals was guaranteed.
He was not going to win there.
Either it's the most politicized left-wing court in the country, and indeed, he lost his appeal there, and now that will move to the U.S. Supreme Court.
But the question, we don't know two things.
One, we don't know whether the Supreme Court will hear it, and then secondarily, if they do hear it, Yes.
Yes.
The deep state could be prosecuted for surveilling Tucker Carlson prior to his going to Russia and back when he was considering going to Russia to conduct an interview.
Those in the deep state could be prosecuted for enacting the entire Russian collusion hoax, which was born in an Oval Office meeting with Barack Obama and Joe Biden and National Security Advisor Susan Rice and the FBI Director James Comey and the CIA Director John Brennan and others.
So will they really sacrifice presidential immunity, recognizing the extraordinary vulnerability of their own incumbents?
We don't know the answer to that yet.
But you know, Roger, they never mean...
For anything to apply equally across the board.
It's never based on principles.
It's only about selective prosecution of Donald Trump or any other conservative, let's say.
They will never apply the laws to themselves.
We know that.
We've seen that with the DOJ and with Biden and many other examples of that.
But Steve Bannon recently at CPAC gave a speech where he said that all those names that you just mentioned, that all those people should be arrested.
But that's under existing law, right?
And we're not even talking about former President Obama, but the names that you mentioned, the people who created the Russia collusion hoax, the people who were actively involved in rigging the 2020 election, that those people should be prosecuted and potentially incarcerated if found guilty.
Do you agree with that statement by Bannon?
Let's take it in two parts.
Those who perpetrated the Russian collusion hoax...
Which even Special Counsel John Durham, whose operation really was a cover-up operation rather than an exposure operation, he very painstakingly took more than five years to reach his conclusions.
That's to make sure that the statute of limitations had run so that people like Jake Sullivan and John Podesta and Hillary Clinton and the rest of the Barack Obama administration alum, who I just enumerated, would not be prosecuted.
By the way, he never even addressed the false narrative that the Democratic National Committee was the target of an online hack by Russian intelligence.
It wasn't.
That's not true.
The so-called CrowdStrikes report, which remains to this day classified, which was denied to my lawyers in my defense, But the testimony of Sean Henry, the president of CrowdStrikes, who just happens to be a former assistant to FBI Director Robert Mueller, testified under oath before the House Intelligence Committee that his report actually contains no proof that the DNC was the target of a Russian hack.
There is no evidence to that effect because it wasn't.
In my own trial, Mike, the judge would not allow us to introduce forensic evidence and expert testimony in which we could have proved definitively that there was no hack of the DNC, that the information that was acquired by WikiLeaks was downloaded based on the speed of the download times.
According to Bill Binney, the foremost expert in terms of counterintelligence technology, To some kind of hard drive and taken out the back door.
But here's the thing about the radical left.
It doesn't matter how discredited, how disproved, how debunked any of their crazy claims are.
If you just wait a few weeks, they will just come back and recycle it all again as if they never heard the first response.
And they'll point to their original assertion as proof that they were right.
We're living this right now.
We're right back to it.
Donald Trump is soft on Putin.
No, he isn't.
The Russians are going to interfere in the 2024 election the same way they interfered in the 2020 election.
People keep pointing to me.
They're pushing that narrative because they know that Trump is likely to win.
They're setting up the answer to why Trump won.
No question.
And they point endlessly to the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee report, which is pure bunk.
Every single reference to me in that is a cut and paste out of the Huffington Post or some other crazy left-wing news outlet.
Not a single word in that report regarding me specifically is accurate or true.
It is a paste up.
Now, and they say, oh, but it was a bipartisan report.
You're absolutely right.
The Republicans on the panel probably hated Donald Trump more than the Democrats on the panel.
There's not a single patriot on that panel.
So the fact that it's bipartisan is meaningless.
It was produced by the Uniparty.
It contains no proof of Russian collusion with the Trump campaign.
It's just a paste-up.
It's all false.
Okay, Roger, let's move forward.
There's a couple of burning questions I need to ask you.
Number one, I mean, thank you for that explanation.
You're exactly right.
How long will New World Order Nikki stay in the race, in your view?
I think she'll stay in as long as there's money in the bank.
Her job is not to be elected president.
There's no prospect of that whatsoever.
Her job is to do as much damage as she possibly can do to Donald Trump as a battering ram.
She's not been very successful at that.
Those who say, well, she's going to bolt like John Anderson did in 1980 to run as an independent candidate for president.
We have something in this country called sore loser laws.
That essentially say that if you ran in the primary in a given state, regardless of whether you won or whether you lost, you're not eligible to be on the ballot in a general election in that state.
So once we get through Super Tuesday here in early March, more than half the states will have selected their delegates, and her name is locked on the ballot in those places now.
So I think an independent candidacy on her part is really virtually impossible.
Could she flip over to the so-called no labels group, which is really a big neocon front?
Yes, she could, but only if she ran for vice president, because I think the sore loser laws prevent her from an independent candidacy, which she couldn't sustain anyways.
So you think her main mission is to try to spoil a Trump victory?
There's no question about that.
And perhaps her reward when this is over, if she were to be successful, would be a cabinet in the next Democratic administration or perhaps some more defense contractor corporate boards.
She's finished in elective office.
She got humiliated in her home state.
That's right.
She has no credibility as a candidate.
I was very happy to see on primary night in South Carolina, the president essentially ignoring her, keeping his fire focused on Joe Biden and the current administration and not giving her the time of day.
I think that is the best way to address her.
Her campaign at this juncture is a sideshow.
She has no prospect of victory.
And I point out to you, Mike, the states that allowed crossover voting, like New Hampshire, which may have been the only chance she had to damage Donald Trump, she failed, despite the fact that thousands of Democrats, or pardon me, thousands of non-Republicans and some Democrats crossed into the Republican primary there, Trump still won handily.
In South Carolina, where anybody of any party can vote in any party primary, she did get probably thousands of Democrats who will go back and vote Democratic in the fall, but she still fell short.
I think that's because many independents in South Carolina lean right.
Some Democrats still lean right.
Trump not only won South Carolina, Mike, but he won by the single largest number of votes of any candidate for president, Republican or Democrat, in the history of the state primary.
Alright, outstanding.
Let's jump into the deep end of the pool here now.
Let's talk about Israel, Muslims, and the Middle East because a couple of dynamics I'd like your thoughts on.
Number one, the Muslim America vote is moving away from the Democrats.
For every U.S.-made bomb that Israel drops on Gaza, more and more Muslims in America are saying, we won't support Biden.
So Biden's in a tough spot there, especially in certain swing states like Minnesota with a strong Muslim population there.
That's a big deal.
In fact, last week I had a Muslim, a Texas Muslim here in studio that I interviewed.
I didn't ask him who he was planning on voting for, but I have no doubt.
He's pro-America, pro-Liberty, pro-Texas, pro-Second Amendment.
I mean, he would vote for Trump.
There are a lot of Muslims who would vote for Trump in America, and yet...
Well, and let me say one more thing.
Sorry for the strong preamble here.
I don't think any person can become elected as president in the United States unless, from a practical standpoint, unless they go all in with support for Israel because of the power of AIPAC and the Israel lobby.
And Trump has said that he strongly supports Israel.
But that seems to me, and this is where I'd like your opinion, seems to me that's becoming increasingly morally hazardous, given that Israel is clearly engaged in acts that are widely characterized as genocide.
Even the International Court of Justice has said that the case of genocide against Israel can perceive that it has merit, that it is a plausible accusation.
How do you suppose Trump might either, number one, benefit from the Muslim vote, but is that possible if he's strongly pro-Israel?
Or how would Trump possibly navigate this quagmire?
Any ideas?
Well, first of all, rather than look at strictly the political interest, first let's look at the national interest.
I'll tell you what I think Trump would not do.
He would not be arming Hamas and Hezbollah.
He would not be unfreezing $100 billion, according to the Wall Street Journal, in assets for Iran.
He's not naive enough to think that that money will not be used to expedite their nuclear weapons development program, that that money will not be used to subsidize Hamas and Hezbollah.
The problem with this administration is, in truth, we're on both sides of the war.
We are supposedly supporting our traditional ally, Israel.
We give them, I believe, $1.4 billion a year.
At the same time, we're subsidizing radical Muslims, trusting them not to use that money for anything other than humanitarian purposes, which is a great naivete.
So Trump would not be on both sides of the war.
I think that's a good place to start.
And while he is a supporter of Israel, I also recognize what you say.
Now, I don't speak for him, that's for sure.
It's a complicated issue.
I do believe the Israelis are allowed to defend themselves.
They were attacked.
On the other thing, I think Trump's highest priority, Mike, would be to stop the killing, stop all the killing.
The same priority he would have in the Russia-Ukrainian conflict, where we know that there were at least two hopeful strains of peace negotiations that could have ended that conflict, scuttled not by the Ukrainians, but scuttled by our own State Department.
So they seem to have An investment in both of these theaters in war.
I think Trump's goal is not war, but peace.
I think his goal in the Middle East would be to end the conflict and stop the killing.
I agree with you.
And I think also with Russia and Ukraine, I know that Trump would work to extricate us and find a diplomatic solution, which is absolutely necessary, to save the lives of the Ukrainian soldiers, by the way, and if Ukraine hopes to exist.
But let me bring it back to Netanyahu, who is clearly a very bullheaded person.
He has said publicly that he will not respect any decision of the International Court of Justice or the ICC, that Israel will not be held back by anyone, including the United States.
And as we're seeing, the Biden administration is having no luck whatsoever, you know, in You know, Anthony Blinken is laughed at by every nation in the Middle East.
I almost feel sorry for the guy at this point.
He goes over there to visit with them, and they just make him wait eight hours or whatever.
But Netanyahu is not going to listen to Biden.
Do you think, Roger, that...
Given that Trump has a more dominant personality, for sure, and Trump is more unpredictable, which I think is a very strong asset when it comes to international diplomacy, do you think that Trump could convince Netanyahu to take actions that Biden cannot?
I think it is conceivable.
I think he has a better track record.
First of all, he, as you know, he forged the historic...
Abraham Accords, which nobody thought was possible.
He also kept his commitment to move the Capitol, which every Republican president in my lifetime promised to do, and none of them actually did.
So I think he has greater credibility, but he also has, as you point out, greater unpredictability.
The politics of this is a little bit more complicated.
Strangely enough, you're absolutely right, among those Muslim American voters, there's a huge drop-off of support for Joe Biden because of his administration's actions in the region, yet...
I don't think...
Anyone who wants to be president should be viewing this conflict strictly through a political lens.
They should be looking through the lens of what's best for America, number one, and then secondarily, what is best for our allies.
But above all, how do we stop the killing?
I think his highest priority would be to stop the killing.
And I think he would do whatever is necessary in that case.
If that turns out to be tough love towards the Israelis, I'm not qualified to say I'm not a foreign policy expert.
But the stories and the things I see out of the region from both sides are horrific.
And as a non-interventionist, I would like to just see a stop to the wholesale murder that we will see going on.
Yeah, absolutely.
You and I both, we want to see less bloodshed and more international cooperation.
Because people benefit, obviously, from peace and abundance and trade, right?
We would love to trade with more of these countries, including Russia.
The fact that we're no longer trading with Russia means that prices of metals and other raw materials are skyrocketing for the West.
And this is actually devastating the economy of Germany also that lacks energy because of the Nord Stream pipeline situation.
So it's really harming not only America, but America's allies.
Not only that, but you know this better than I do.
The current energy policies of this administration towards oil and gas, liquefied gas, All this is doing is making Russia stronger and giving them greater leverage.
So we can say we're anti-Russia all we want, but these policies of limiting fossil fuels in this country...
Not allowing drilling permits and so on, forcing us back to relying once again on foreign sources of oil is extraordinarily dangerous and is only playing into the strength of both Iran, whose energy shipments and energy exports had trickled off to nothing because of the sanctions that Trump had put into place, Biden removed those sanctions.
We are strengthening Iran, and we're strengthening the Russians, who have a great source of these things.
That's right.
Absolutely.
Our policies are enriching Russia's economy.
So it's having exactly the opposite effect that was intended, I think, by the U.S. State Department.
Let's talk about the border situation now, because, of course, it's a total disaster.
Almost 300,000 illegals crossing the border every month.
It's approaching that number.
And of course, the Biden administration is encouraging.
They have been since day one.
We've reached the point now where even Democrat mayors, mayor of Chicago, mayor of New York and so on, of New York City, are completely alarmed, freaking out, saying that their cities can't survive this and so on.
This obviously, I think, plays in favor of Trump's election because Trump is perceived correctly as the one person who will actually insist on doing something to stop the border and build the wall.
But what do you suppose, again, I know you don't speak, certainly not for the Biden administration, but you do have a lot of experience in politics.
What do you suppose that the Biden handlers will do between now and Election Day to try to regain control over this issue and make it less damaging for Biden's re-election?
Mike, I read a very detailed piece in Axios several weeks ago, which kind of detailed internal turmoil and bickering within the Biden administration that led us to this point.
So essentially, we've had no policy, or I should say a policy of open borders.
Largely because this administration could not really decide what it wanted to do.
Immediately upon becoming president, Biden canceled the stay in Mexico policy of Donald Trump, which had been very effective.
And essentially he threw open the borders.
It is the informal position of this administration that we have an open border.
I don't think the number is 10 million.
I think it is, based on people I know who are experts that I respect, it could be closer to 25 million illegals in the country.
Yet, last night, I saw Joy Reid saying that the 10 million dollar number is completely unrealistic.
But then, you know what, she's culturally appropriated my hair, so...
Who cares what she thinks?
It is now you can see graphically that the Democrats realize that they have made an egregious error.
They realize that this is likely to be the dominant issue of the campaign because open borders is what has caused the fentanyl crisis in the country.
Open borders is what is causing the crime spike in the country.
Open borders are causing states and counties and cities across the country to go broke as they're required by law to pay for social services for illegal migrants, in most cases over the needs of U.S. citizens.
This is a political fiasco.
So suddenly the administration went from insisting falsely that the border was secure, Which Secretary Mayorkas and the president's two spokeswomen insisted repeatedly to Biden suddenly blurting out, no, it's not secure.
I've been saying that all along, which he hasn't been.
And then trying completely ridiculously to blame Donald Trump.
It's all Trump's fault that the border is open now.
They keep pointing to the Schumer-Lankford border security bill, which should be called the Schumer-Lankford open borders bill, because it did several things.
First of all, tucked in there was another $95 million for Ukraine, another $64 million for Israel, another $24 million for, I think it was Taiwan, and another $24 million that I believe and another $24 million that I believe was to process illegals.
Under that legislation, we would have allowed 5,000 illegals to cross per day.
That's 155,000 per month.
That's roughly just under 2 million a year.
So the next president would be locked in to allowing at least 2 million illegals into the country rather than say, oh, I don't know, zero.
Which is almost where you got to under Donald Trump.
Illegal crossings had trickled to almost nothing.
This idea that we need a new law, we need more money, those things are just not so.
There's a current law in place, it just needs to be enforced, and that takes will.
And then, of course, as a second part, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 1.3 million illegals.
Yes, the illegals here can be found and deported.
It's a massive job, but we have a massive government.
It's a question of having the will.
Donald Trump has that will.
This administration has no intention of doing it because they have a larger plan, which is to change the face of the country.
You saw in Blinken's remarks after he met with the president of Mexico, you saw it in the remarks of the mayor of Chicago not long ago, where they say, well, maybe the answer to this problem is to make everybody a citizen.
No, that is not the answer, but that is the way to make sure they can all vote and we know how they would vote.
A worst problem, Mike, is the criminal element that we're letting in the country, the terrorist element we're letting in the country, the weapons we are letting into the country.
We're opening this country to criminal gangs.
We're opening this country to terrorists.
We're opening this country to criminals.
And this is for a purpose.
There's a disproportionate number of military-age men coming into the hemisphere through Panama, coming up from Panama to our southern border and into the United States.
It's not the only way they're getting in.
They're getting in other ways as well.
And many of them from communist China.
Many from China and many from the Middle East.
So if you have the perception that all of these illegals are from Central or South America, that's incorrect.
A very large number of them from China and also from Middle Eastern countries.
Now, Trump recently said that if Biden wins this election, and of course I'm paraphrasing, but I believe Trump said that it would be absolutely catastrophic for the United States.
He seems to be implying that America might not survive another Biden administration.
I think most of our audience would agree with that assessment.
I recently spoke with high-level law enforcement in Texas, where I have some contacts.
Actually, on the weekend last Saturday, told me much the same thing.
He said that if we don't get Trump into the White House and start deporting these illegals, then the law enforcement resources will buckle.
They will crater.
And Trump was talking about how social services will crater under the costs of dealing with all of these illegals, which you already alluded to at the local level.
This seems to me like kind of what Letitia James is doing in New York City.
In order to get Trump, they are willing to destroy the integrity of New York real estate investing activities.
In order to destroy Trump, they're willing to destroy America in terms of illegals coming across the border whom they hope to somehow give the right to vote so that they have a permanent supermajority of Democrat voters.
Is there...
Any lengths to which the Democrats won't go to try to defeat Trump, even if it means setting their own country on fire, Clearly the answer is no.
And I guess the biggest problem here is that there are those who think, well, their policies are misguided or they're just mistaken.
No, I think this is a willful policy.
They are so hellbent on destroying Donald Trump and reasserting globalist control of the country so they can proceed essentially to cancel the U.S. Constitution and to turn us into a nation of serfs.
That is the plan.
That's precisely what they have in mind.
It's important, Mike, to always keep in mind their constant use of Alinsky's rules for radicals.
So anything they accuse Trump of or the Republicans, for that matter, the America First Republicans, is always exactly what they themselves are doing.
So when they say Trump will be a dictator, he'll cancel the next election.
No, actually, who is it that's trying to lock up the leading candidate for president of the opposition party?
Why, that would be the Democrats.
Who is it that is trying to cancel and censor and silence anyone on the Internet, anyone on social media, anyone in the public forum, in any public forum who disagrees with their approved narrative?
Why, that would be the Democrats.
Who is it that spied on 178,000 American citizens without warrants, surveilled them?
That's a number that comes from the government themselves.
Why, that would be the Democrats.
Who is it that dipped into the 702 database to collect information on over 4 million Americans?
That would be the Democrats.
Who is it who's trying to keep Donald Trump off the ballot based on some crazed legal theory that he's guilty of insurrection because we say he is?
Not because he was found guilty in a court of law, but just because that is our opinion.
Therefore, his name cannot appear on the ballot.
So it is interesting that the way they always appropriate the rhetorical high ground to say, you know, we're for he's a threat to democracy.
Right.
When first of all, we're not a democracy.
We're a republic.
We're a democratic republic.
Secondarily, if there is any threat to our constitutional freedoms, it is not Donald Trump or the America first Republicans.
It is the Democrats themselves.
I agree with you, Roger.
And, of course, we see this also in Europe where they say that Russia's actions are a threat to the rules-based order.
But the so-called rules-based order doesn't follow any rules.
They make an agreement and they abandon the agreement.
The West just makes it up as they go along.
They do the same thing internationally that they do domestically.
And frankly, they treat the American people like the way they treat Russia, as enemies of the state.
You know?
Yes?
Well, if you tell the truth about the conflict in Ukraine, you will be immediately called a stooge for Putin.
Here are the facts.
It's really very simple.
We signed two different agreements, both the Budapest Memorandum and the Minsk Accords, in which we agreed that if the Russians allowed the reunification of East and West Germany, we would not push Ukraine into NATO, not a single inch, Secretary of State James A. Baker, a Texan, said.
Now, we are seeking to put NATO-based missiles pointed at Russia on the ground in Ukraine in violation of both those agreements.
Now, the unicons would have us believe that this is about...
Putin's voracious appetite for territory that first he's going to take Ukraine, then he's going to take Poland, then he's going to take Germany, then he's going to take all of Europe.
I don't think that any of that is accurate.
First of all, I don't think he could afford to do that.
But secondarily, he's been very clear that what was unacceptable to him was the mounting of missiles and bioweapon labs in Ukraine to the detriment of Russia.
And we have violated that.
Now, if you say that, and I have said it, Tucker Carlson has said it, Alex Jones has said it, Robert F. Kennedy, who I disagree with on many things, has said it.
You're immediately branded as some kind of stooge for Putin, that you're pro-Russian.
Well, my Hungarian relatives were mowed down by Russian tanks in Budapest in 1956.
I have no great love for the Russians.
I have certainly no great love for any dictator of which Putin is most certainly one.
But I also understand that he's acting now in what he sees as the interests of his country.
And we are the ones who are pushing war.
The Ukrainians would have settled this.
They had two opportunities to settle this.
But those peace talks were scuttled, as I said earlier, not by the Ukrainians, not by the Russians, but by the US State Department.
Yeah, exactly.
It's such hypocrisy to hear U.S. authorities saying, you know, watch out for Putin.
He might censor his people.
He might jail political dissidents.
He might rig elections.
He might rig the court system.
I'm like, checkbox, checkbox.
That's what you do.
You are doing that, Democrats, right?
Because they're doing that every day.
They are acting like the worst Soviet KGB agents every single day.
But let me switch gears.
We're almost out of time.
I want to plug your site here coming up again shortly, but let me ask you this.
Who do you think the Democrats replaced Joe Biden with in August, if that's what happens?
First of all, I think that is what's going to happen.
I think that the combination of the impact of Biden's disastrous policies, his inability to perform on the big stage, this constant tendency to forget what he's saying in the middle of a Well, anyway.
And his inability to stay upright, to spout gibberish, he's clearly in no condition to go into a toe-to-toe debate with Donald Trump.
He's in no condition to wage a tough campaign.
Now you add to that We're good to go.
It is indisputable, based on what the House Republicans have found, that Hunter Biden was being paid tens of thousands of dollars, perhaps more, to work for the Burisma Energy Company, and Joe Biden leveraged federal dollars and the threat to withhold them to fire the prosecutor who was investigating the company that was employing his son.
Those are indisputable facts.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
There's additional corruption in in China, in Russia, in Romania, in Ukraine and so on.
So the combination of those three things means in the end, Joe Biden is in no condition to run for reelection.
I think that he will go through the nomination process and he will collect enough delegates to theoretically be nominated.
On the eve of the convention, he will either decide or they will threaten to remove him under the 25th Amendment if he does not agree that he's not standing for re-election.
That does not mean that he's resigning.
He'd fill out the term, but he would simply not run because they realize that it's not even plausible if they steal it, that he cannot beat Donald Trump.
At that point, he would legally release his delegates.
The convention would work its own free will.
And in that atmosphere, I still believe that they will insist upon, demand upon, the draft of the most popular woman today in the Democratic Party, and perhaps one of the most popular women in the country, Michelle Obama.
Now, the people who know her, like Obama, David Axelrod, the famous Democratic strategist, all say she doesn't want to run.
I'm sure that's accurate, by the way.
My guess is she doesn't want to run.
But what I'm saying not is that she will run, but that she will ultimately submit to a draft simply because she is potentially their strongest candidate to beat Donald Trump.
The Democrats know that if Biden remains in place, a major theme for Trump and the Republicans will be if you're voting for Biden, you're really voting for Kamala Harris.
Because Biden is not going to survive four years.
There's a high probability that he doesn't.
No, we don't wish that on him, but it's a reality.
And therefore, you're voting for her.
And nobody believes that she's capable of being president.
She doesn't have dementia, but she makes even less sense than Joe Biden.
And that's an electoral nightmare for the Democrats.
So I stick to my prediction, which is now two years old, Mike, that ultimately the Democrats will prevail upon Michelle Obama to run for president.
And then, having promised Kamala Harris a Supreme Court seat, if she graciously steps aside, they will let Gavin Newsom step in with the cash, which he has with unlimited supply for the vice presidency.
And that will be their new ticket.
Kamala on the Supreme Court would be a real-life idiocracy.
I mean, imagine an actual low-IQ Supreme Court justice.
It would just be a travesty.
Now, as far as Michelle Obama, my opinion is...
I feel sorry for her if she is forced into this position because it would be like living life as a political slave to a system of tyrants and authoritarians that would run you.
And she would be forced like Joe Biden is, in essence, he's a biological puppet for his handlers.
Can you imagine waking up every day and you have to be the theatrical face of an administration of tyrants?
I mean, it would be a living hell for Michelle Obama.
Well, except for Barack Obama himself said that in his famous interview with Stephen Colbert, who at one time was funny but no longer is, where he openly says, you know, I've often thought how great it would be if I could just hang out in my basement in my sweats and have a microphone connected to, you know, earphones born by some front man, his words, and essentially have my third term.
Isn't that essentially exactly what's going on today?
All of the top aides to current President Biden are alum of the Obama administration.
So she would basically be serving herself.
She'd be serving her husband, who I think is the single most influential Democrat and probably the single most influential person in the globalist galaxy today.
So in essence, she would be carrying out what was their fundamental mission from the time he became president to to completely and totally transform America and not in a good way.
Well, I would rather vote for Camacho for president than Michelle Obama, but that's that's just some movie trivia there.
Anyway, Roger, tell us about StoneZone.com.
Sure, Mike, I appreciate that.
StoneZone.com is where you can find all things Roger Stone.
I do a daily show on Rumble.com at Rumble.com slash Roger Stone, but you can also see it at StoneZone.com.
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Mike, I appreciate that opportunity.
A great, great domain name, too, Roger.
I mean, thank you for all that you're doing for America.
But also, I think you've really branded your site and your position and your focus.
I think you're very influential.
I think your analysis is really sharp and spot on.
And I hope that we can get Trump back into the White House and see you play a continued role in educating America about what we need to do to take this republic back from the tyrants.
So thank you for all that you do, Roger.
Well, I appreciate that, Mike.
Look, I spoke on this about this with our good friend Alex Jones on Sunday night.
What we need right now is divine intervention for a hard bitten political strategist.
For me to say that you can see there's been a huge evolution in my thinking.
But that is the one element that can save America and save Western civilization and save everything we hold dear.
I pray now twice a day, every day.
And I know that liberal elites laugh at me and think that's some kind of a joke or some kind of a trope or some kind of a bid for sympathy.
It's none of those things.
God never loses.
With God we can win.
And I'm absolutely convinced that the Lord will not let this, the last best hope of freedom in the world, be destroyed.
So prayer is a vital part of my political strategy, of my life strategy, and I ask everyone who's listening to join me in praying for the safety of President Donald Trump and for praying for our country.
Well, well said, and thank you so much, Roger.
Bless you, and yes, I pray for Trump's very safe third term as the elected president, because he would be the only president to be elected three times, but only serve two times in the White House.
What an interesting piece of history.
All right, well, thank you so much, Roger.
Have a wonderful day.
We appreciate you.
Mike, thank you, and God bless you again.
God bless.
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