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Feb. 14, 2024 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Farsam from Holospace joins Mike Adams with brilliant discussion of AI, transhumanism...
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Welcome to today's in-studio interview.
We have a very special guest to talk about technology and AI and so much more of what's happening with the technocrats and how we can maintain human freedom in a technology-driven society.
It's Farsim, who's the creator of Holospace.
Welcome, Farsim, to the show.
Thanks, Mike.
Thanks for having me.
It's an honor to be here.
Well, it's great to have you here, and I just want to thank you for all that you've done.
I've known you for many years.
You have offered a lot of wisdom and analysis to me privately about a lot of technology issues.
I just want to thank you for that.
My pleasure.
And here we are on the verge of maybe upcoming even the Singularity or AGI. We'll talk about that in a minute.
I think that most of society has no idea what has already happened And how civilization is about to dramatically change over the next couple of years.
You want to give us kind of an overview of what you see happening?
Happily, Mike.
And I also want to acknowledge that you have been a rare voice in this space, calling out technological trends that are effectively technocracy in disguise.
The slow creep of the convergence of our governmental structures with effectively pure Appearances of private technology, consumer-grade technology, that have come together now and coalesced in a system that is doing what old intelligence agencies used to have to do a lot of cloak and dagger to do.
Now we're all carrying around these devices that are spying on us and have normalized them.
And feeding them all of our information voluntarily through our search queries and browsing histories and everything else.
Exactly.
And the funny thing is, when you even talk to younger people who weren't even born when this was starting, they all know this and they consider this just a given.
So they're basically born into a culture that has absolutely normalized a kind of technocratic view of things, surveillance.
And then also it's flip side that people don't often refer to.
It's a different term, a French term.
It's surveillance, which is the surveillance of one another.
So our technologies are also simultaneously listening to one another.
Right now we're in an age where we can start to flip the script, Mike.
That's why I'm here.
That's why I connect with individuals such as yourself and start to change the force for greater independence.
It's interesting.
This is a great conversation to be having with you.
Well, let's talk about the realm of AI and large language models, because this is where I think there's a really critical pivot point for human civilization and human freedom.
There's, on one hand, the open source movement, which is very strong in large language models.
And, of course, I'm working on a project in that space.
Maybe we can talk about that.
But then there's the centralized open AI, which is not open.
It's closed AI, but it's called open AI. And there's the giants, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, and Meta, and what have you.
And they want to control the AI space.
They want a monopoly on it.
They don't want people to have open source options.
But I think they're going to lose.
I think that the democratization or decentralization of AI technology is already unstoppable.
What do you think?
Yeah, I definitely think that they're concerned that if they do not continue to capture the space as they have for the last two and a half to three decades, depending on when you think the internet officially started.
But in the mid-90s, we had a move to the democratization of technology.
Those of us who are coming up in that space had a very kind of cyberpunk view of the future.
Had we been able to get a snapshot of 2024 way back in the mid 90s, we would be terrified.
Oh, yeah.
Things are way, way more controlled than we know.
Now, at the same time, we have the illusion of consumer freedom, right?
Look at all those colors I can choose from.
Look at all these incredible tools I have.
Yes, there's an app for everything.
But at the back end, and that's really how the capture has happened, Mike, is we have transposed consumer freedom for our governmental freedoms, for our liberties, for our basic everyday sovereignty.
And I think that's how you get the average person, is you get them dumbed down.
You get them influenced by, again, another thing you have fought battles on and do every day, which is inappropriate food supply.
It has toxified us, made us sick, made us weak, and made the average person not necessarily capable of doing as independent a body of thinking as they need to, to know where they're at in the world.
Yeah, the processed food and the pesticides affect the brain.
Right.
I think I literally read that the average American consumes 70% of their calories from ultra-processed, hyper-palatable foods.
Wow.
So that is not a good picture.
You and I know what the implications of just that statistic alone are.
So then on the other end, you have tools that just basically, like in the film Wally, distract us, amuse us.
I think Neil Postman wrote a great book in the early 80s called Amusing Ourselves to Death.
He saw this coming, too.
He was a student of Marshall McLuhan.
You know, 123 million Americans watched the Super Bowl recently.
I didn't even know the Super Bowl was happening until that day when I saw it.
Why is everybody talking about the Super Bowl?
Right.
That's not on my radar at all.
And while that was happening, nefarious things were happening in the Senate, right?
Because everybody's distracted.
But it seems like distraction is one of the key weapons that's used against humanity.
Like, focus on this while we steal your money, your rights, your future, your freedoms over here.
Right.
And I'm here today, Mike, to talk about the prosumer side of it, that word that actually came out also in the 90s, the producer-consumer hybrid, the ability for us to use these tools, to use our abilities.
We do have degrees of freedom right now.
It's arguable that AI tools will take away the last vestiges of that.
There is a degree to which everybody needs to sign up for this.
So they need people to participate on a deeper level.
It's a bit of a reach right now.
But, you know, those of us who are in the future space are already seeing the next phase of this after AI, which would be the Neuralink type projects.
Of course, Elon, love him or hate him, is doing a lot of things in a lot of spaces and he's setting the tone.
There's going to be a hundred startups underneath Neuralink that come in and basically absolutely modernize, normalize, make accessible everyday uses of brain implants.
So again, once AI is driving a lot of things and then people feel obligated to do some kind of invasive technology prosthesis, then we have really, where else is left?
Where else is left, Mike?
Well, but see, I'm extremely concerned about the Neuralink project for a number of reasons.
Not only did they do, I think, inhumane testing on animals.
That's one thing that I'm concerned about.
seen how much mobile phones have altered the brains of especially children and youth.
Yes.
So young people now grow up with this very short attention span, which equates to an inability to engage in long-term decision-making with an understanding of the ramifications of the effects of their actions.
That's just from mobile phones, which you can put down.
Imagine when it's an implant in your brain or it's an overlay contact lens.
Think about the Apple, what's it called, the Vision Pro?
Apple Vision Pro.
Think about the Apple Vision Pro embedded in your eyes.
Right.
Like all the time, it's a virtual environment.
What's that going to do to especially kids and teens, but also everybody else?
I mean, we're already a society that's disconnected from reality in so many ways.
It seems like it's going to get a lot worse.
Mike, there's a branch of neuroscience called neuro-sequential development.
All of that is neuroscientists saying, well, this is how things used to be.
This is how humans used to organically develop.
There were stages of life nature has built in.
You see it throughout the animal kingdom, and humans have it too.
Especially those first 14 to 21 years, we need to unfold the way we were designed.
At every step in many cases in the first few months of life, if not in gestation or preconception, that's being altered.
We have very few, at least in America or the North American continent, organic humans left in the sense of letting people just develop in nature and with nature.
Uh-huh.
Now the technological interventions that you and I are talking about today, we're looking at not doubling down, maybe a tripling down of what we've seen the last three decades.
So in some senses, they've studied how far they can push this.
Now that's going to exponentially grow and accelerate.
We've seen in Black Mirror, which lots of people watched and gassed, I feel like we're living Black Mirror every now.
We're watching it wash ashore every day, a little more of Black Mirror, right?
So there was a great episode about contact lenses that are recording and filming and overlaying every day, surveilling everybody 24-7 and what kind of society that would be.
But they also know that that can't be done overnight.
That has to be very gradual.
Let's talk about the upside also then of augmented reality technology because as you know, every tech can be used to enslave people or to set people free.
I'm going to define that as the two polar ends of the spectrum.
But augmented reality, if used appropriately, could, for example, allow you to have, you know, here's Benjamin Franklin in the room teaching you about American history.
Right.
Like characters, obviously this just scratches the surface, but characters that are added to your reality space and that interact with you verbally and auditorily.
Yes.
I could see that even for training.
I mean, think about law enforcement training.
Think about debate training.
I mean, just teachers all throughout your life.
That would be an amazing use of that tech.
Right, Mike.
Open education.
We've been talking about this for quite some time.
The question is, so we'll get a little bit into this today.
I hope AI agents need to be drawing from a well that is unpolluted, that's not controlled and pre-constrained and pre-filtered and pre-edited.
I'm too late for that.
So if there's a customized tutor that is giving my child the education they need, question to question, following their curiosity trail down the trail with them, but that kid doesn't know that 50% of the knowledge that they could have access to has already been redacted.
Right.
Right?
So this is a question I remember having this conversation with you several years ago on how unfree Wikipedia was becoming with every passing year.
In its first five years, it was, by today's standards, anarchic.
It was anybody posting whatever they wanted with very little ombudsmanship.
Now, you can go...
It's a CIA mouthpiece.
Google and look up inside Wikipedia the definition of alternative medicine.
It's defined as that medicine which has not been proven to be true.
It's effectively a bum definition of what alternative medicine should be in a definitive sense.
Right, right.
No, I think our audience knows Wikipedia has been totally controlled by nefarious forces that are allied against human freedom and against human knowledge.
And this is also critical.
By the way, I want to mention, if people are hearing huffing and puffing in the background, that is...
My security dog, we ran him hard, played with him, and he's calming down, but if you hear a little bit of that, that's him, not me.
He's adorable.
Yeah, he's hanging out here.
He's having a great time.
But Google started out as, you know, the goal was to index the world's knowledge, and now I've argued for a couple years now that the job of Google is to hide the world's knowledge, is to dissociate knowledge from Or dissociate humans from knowledge.
It's an anti-knowledge search engine.
And I happen to believe, and this is why I'm working on a large language model project, I think that LLMs are now the new frontier of free speech that can make Google obsolete, and that's why I'm working on this project.
Exactly right, Mike.
And your audience and people who are passionate about whether or not there's still time, space, and how to do it, right?
We can all be armchair critics, or we can get up out of our seats and build the tools that we need for that future.
Learn to code.
And I know you and I are in our conversations.
Yes, learn to code or find an app in this ecosystem that we're building.
What I do at Holospace, it's an open incubator system and model.
We have resources, tools.
It's all open source.
Yeah, tell us about Holospace, because you're the one who created that, right?
Yeah, yes, I am the founder, and my concern after decades of watching sort of this technology creep, technological overwhelm, you look at the Center for Humane Technology and that Netflix documentary, The Social Dilemma, they accurately describe what was going on.
I've been in and around what the Center for Humane Technology does, but they're still just a policy group pushing out papers, analyzing it.
They play a vital role, but they're not inventing the new tools.
The metaphor I go with, Mike, is who is going to create the tool that once is out of the genie bottle can't be put back in?
I'll give you one quick point that we need to have here.
Now we have UNI access to virtually free LLMs off the shelf that can read all of Wikipedia in dozens of languages in about five minutes or less and then churn out.
So there's still this kind of, let's call it a cultural arms race.
There's this open space.
And before that, it's fully locked down.
And we're unable to make these decisions.
Before it's fully Orwellian, we need to get out the tools, the platforms, the systems to be able to have enough Of an open culture that it can't be fully, fully captured.
Well, and I... I would say that, you know, with HuggingFace.co out there, which is a really nice repository of LLMs, and we're going to be contributing to HuggingFace, and there's one man in particular, Eric Hartford, who has created the uncensored dolphin varieties of many of the LLMs out there, you know, like Llamatu and Vicuna and Mistral and so on.
And clearly he's opposed to censorship.
He does fine-tuning training of the LLMs that take away the guardrails and labels them uncensored, which I think is the appropriate thing to do, because if I'm asking an LLM, how do I break into a car?
Why should it assume that I'm going to carry out a crime?
I might need to break into my own car, or I might be writing a fictional script about breaking into a car.
And I might need some assistance with that, right?
So there is a very strong open source movement that we're contributing to.
We're going to be releasing our first open source model at the end of March.
And we're calling it NEO at the moment, just with the matrix and all that.
But we're training it.
Our initial data set, and the data pipeline is the hardest part of this, by the way, but our initial data set is all herbs, nutrition, permaculture, off-grid, living, and phytochemicals.
I have no doubt this is going to be the world's best open-source model with nutritional and food knowledge of anything out there.
And I'm thrilled to be able to push that into the open space and let other people train on it.
We can't wait to see it, and I want to help you bring that into existence.
And I know that your community participating in the usage of it is what's going to continue its evolution and growth.
That's right.
There's endless amounts of knowledge it can be trained on.
We want it to be so robust, the average person recognizes it as the definitive source for this.
Well, I just put out the call for people to contribute, and you wouldn't believe.
I mean, I've got signed permission from a lot of well-known people to use their entire body of knowledge for training.
Everybody wants to contribute to this project, like Dr.
Judy Mikovits, for example.
She's contributing, and many others are contributing.
And what maybe the end users here don't know, but you'll be able to run it locally.
So no Internet connection is necessary to run this.
You can run it on a Mac, on Windows, or Linux.
So decentralization and peer-to-peer architectures are absolutely fundamental to this.
This is purely decentralized offline tech.
Mike, I want to make this point because it's relevant to the time we're in right now.
I made the journey into Switzerland, up the Swiss Alps, and attended World Economic Forum, which for those who wonder whether or not World Economic Forum is an elitist enclave completely closed off to the world, it's not.
All you need is one little ticket into Switzerland and then a train ticket two hours up the mountain, and you're there.
It's a public ski town.
Anyone can walk those streets like I did.
It was not hard to access.
Once you're there, there's lots of opportunities to participate in tons of open events.
A group called UnDavos is there to disrupt the agenda that has been put forward there.
And the reason I'm pivoting to this point is because the infrastructure you're talking about, a radically different architecture based on decentralization architecture and peer-to-peer and many other components that will allow systems such as the one you're going to be propagating...
Those captures that we're talking about first started at the infrastructural level.
We call that big data.
Big tech can't operate without big data feeding itself back how the network operations are constantly running, keeping that thing humming.
Wikipedia alone probably can bring to continue with that example.
Issues I'm going to argue something like a couple hundred million page views per second.
And you have a background in tech and computer science, Mike.
You know how hard that is for those data centers just to keep that running 24-7, 365 globally.
So they control the pipelines right now, the infrastructures, and that's how they're able to manipulate, massage the cultural and informational agendas.
I mean, there's a reason why it's called InfoWars.
You're exactly correct.
But let me add that because of the advances in microprocessors...
Right.
That offloading from the data centers to the end user's local hardware in order to execute things like large language models, that is happening now and that lends itself to decentralization.
It's kind of like before the Revolutionary War in America, the invention of the rifle.
that everyday people could make a rifle.
And it changed history.
Because now everybody had a tool of freedom in that case.
Well, today, with the tools that are becoming available, I mean, we're just on the verge of this, just the cutting edge, but everybody will be able to, very soon, I think within the next year, everybody will be able to take an off-the-shelf, open-source LLM, expose it to their own materials, whatever they open-source LLM, expose it to their own materials, whatever they want that to be.
It could be a bunch of their own books or transcripts or whatever, and then generate their own local language model that they execute locally.
And that takes away power from the big data centralized platforms that no longer assert control over people.
So this is a revolution happening.
Right, Mike, I want to fully agree with you, yes, and style, but I want to ever so slightly disagree only to provoke your audience and you into the urgent call for action.
Because as I was driving over here, the news came through that OpenAI has announced that its fundamental pivot, you know, Sam Altman was in and out as CEO, a CEO again, and they had to figure out a new business model.
Again, this is an organization that started with Elon Musk promoting the idea that AI is going to be a runaway technology that needed to be brought under control and needed to be opened up.
But now OpenAI with Microsoft investing over $20 billion is anything but open.
Right.
And so their pivot, Mike, is to agents.
So I want to give your audience the heads up.
That's a word you're going to start hearing a lot in the coming years.
So it's going to be much more applied, specific.
You're going to have an agent for your banking, an agent for your email, an agent for when you travel.
And that's cool.
as a utility, but Mike...
But we need to define what these agents are.
Yeah, so an agent is an automated workflow.
It's just, you know, they're going to have a task-specific automation.
And so it's kind of like little micro-AIs.
And in the 90s, everybody had to have a.com and an email client.
Now in the 2020s and into the 2030s, everyone's going to have and generate new business models around an agent for every area of life.
And importantly, in order for these agents to function, and Amazon already has a series of agents now, Labeled Q, I believe.
You have to give these agents access to everything.
Your email, your passwords, your network, your hard drive, everything.
So you have to give up all...
Privacy.
Yes, you do.
Apple put out also in the advent of this Apple Vision Pro release a couple weeks ago a big paper today, a white paper on its privacy parameters and schematics.
And I had team members look at it laughing at how they're promoting the idea that it's all about privacy when in fact it's far from it.
And it has all kinds of backdoors as well that make it vulnerable to all kinds of cyber attacks.
But the pushback here conceptually, Mike, is simple.
Open AI and these systems right now have a huge upper hand and it's going to take creatives and engineers and liberty-oriented individuals such as those in your audience to get out there and create these tools and platforms at any area of life, life, whether it's just in your own community, whether it's in your church, create the tools that will allow you guys to maintain the sovereignty within your own infosphere.
Right now, your information spheres are controlled by a bunch of people tied to Silicon Valley or in Silicon Valley.
And in a moment, I'm going to share a story about here in Austin, Texas, somebody tied to Google that I encountered.
And it's just unbelievable to me, Mike, the amount of arrogance.
It is arrogance on every level you might imagine.
They really are thinking they are the people driving forward the future and that therefore they have permission to do whatever they want, however they want, by any means necessary.
Yeah, talk about that because I've noticed that as well.
And it's because there's no pushback against them, not even by government, not even by the Supreme Court enforcing the First Amendment yet.
There is no such decision.
So Google thinks they can do anything they want.
Right, and some folks here know that 23andMe was founded by two women, and the woman who's retained the CEO status and has stayed on was basically in a number of open,
direct challenges and confrontations regarding the privacy around 23andMe, an online platform for having genomics testing done on yourself, If you do that, you're given a big end-user license agreement promising that you have all your data protected, but it's quite...
Know now that that's just not the case.
Plus there was a big hack of 23andMe.
Not to mention the hack.
Yeah.
And then they just redefine the ways in which they're allowed to sell off your personal biological data and medicalize it as they please.
So that brave new world, Mike, is going to converge with several others.
And there have been brilliant futurists that have been seeing this coming for half a century or more.
At the same time, we had Buckminster Fuller reminding us around the same time, I think it was in the 1950s, he said, don't go competing against the existing paradigm.
You're going to cancel your energy out.
Simply render it obsolete through new acts of creation.
And that's my call to you, to everyone we work with, and to anyone in your audience.
Reach out to us.
Reach out to me.
Basically, finding your sphere and your empowerment is in the fact that you're able to create a tool right now that will withstand the test of time and participate in this new ecosystem.
You see, they have social media captured, they have all the informational warfare control, and they don't think that anyone's going to raise a hand to object to them.
Even when there is noise and disagreement, they've already outgamed that system.
But I... I have a lot of faith and hope in the understanding that the establishment Is so dissociated from reality that it makes truth-based interaction with technology far more compelling.
Yes.
So in other words, like, when I release my LLM, people are going to share it like crazy because it's the only LLM that will answer them honestly about what herbs can be used to prevent cancer, for example.
Right.
Because OpenAI won't allow that kind of answer.
Nope.
Because it's all controlled by Big Pharma.
Right.
So the...
Models like mine and others will be so compelling, and that's just another example of how these tools can empower people.
Now, can people contact you and work with Holospace to launch new ventures?
Yes.
How does that work?
Yeah, we have all kinds of funds and resources, open source grants.
We have tools for education and learning.
All you need to do is Google Holospace and you'll find yourself in front of any number of our pages and platforms.
H-O-L-O space, one word.
The idea behind that was based on just a holographic paradigm.
There's a couple of other groups with really world-changing paradigms that have these same concerns.
Holochain, Holacracy.
We're looking at system change, folks, but we're looking at also the retainment of our original liberties.
The Retainment of our original freedoms.
We are 200 plus years into a big experiment, a thought experiment in freedom, and we have lost a lot of ground, right?
So we're going to have to regain that ground by finding new platforms for societal organization.
Yeah.
And right now, there's a lot of chaos around the world trying to determine what that is.
That's what you saw.
Anyone walking the streets of World Economic Forum would see this.
A lot of fiefdoms competing against one another for what that victory will be.
And of course, a lot of behind closed doors stuff that nobody's ever going to directly witness.
But I will tell you, you can see the echoes of it on the streets there.
Well, I encourage people to reach out to you if they want to jump into something new like that.
And let me share a little personal story along those same lines.
it was, I don't know, last year around October or November when I realized we were going to have to reinvent our whole business model based on the leap of technology that AI and LLM had just presented.
And I also made an executive decision very early on that we weren't going to use hosted or cloud-based AI systems or cloud-based AI training.
That we were going to build our own infrastructure like we've done here for Brighteon.
Brighteon wouldn't exist if we didn't build our own data center, our own servers, our own code and everything.
And so I made it my mission to reinvent even my own knowledge base And I think you'll be proud of me, Farson, but I'm now running and modifying Python code.
I've typed pip install like 5,000 times on command lines now to load packages into the Python environment.
Amazing.
We're using the best open source tools that are out there and augmenting them like Whisper for transcriptions, for example, and doing fine-tuning training of Whisper, by the way.
And so we're doing all our own offline transcriptions of thousands and thousands of hours of people's interviews.
And again, if we try to do that in a cloud or a platform, they would eventually ban us because they don't like what we're doing because we're telling the truth about things.
Right.
I've become, I mean, I've become an expert in CUDA cores of NVIDIA GPUs, and maybe not an expert, but at least competent, right?
and being able to evaluate the hardware and setting up servers.
And yet I've received feedback from people in our space, independent media, who for the most part are saying, what are you doing?
Why are you doing all this?
And they don't see what you and I see, which is that they're going to be obsolete in the next 18 months.
Right.
Just like some guy writing articles and having a little article website.
Man, you're going to get steamrolled by 50,000 bots writing articles and eventually doing podcasts.
Your voice is going to be drowned out by the bots.
Right, you've experienced deplatforming.
Are you kidding me?
Which is why you had to build this.
We're like the poster child of being deplatformed.
Right.
How are we going to maintain these open spaces?
My point is that the infrastructure is still captured.
You have just described exactly how much it takes to build an independent infrastructure, Mike.
You know what it takes to maintain and keep that up and running.
The interesting thing is, Mike, the very tools they're putting out to do this...
They're put back into our hands, and we're able to, in a sense, outgame them if we know how to use them.
And it takes a mind like yours to understand how these things operate and what to build.
So I really support Brighteon, and I support what you're going to be launching later this year.
And we will be at South by Southwest.
That's one space to engage us.
We'll have independent events all over here in Austin, Texas in mid-March onward.
But our commitment with the startup ecosystems is to get people to hit the ground running in the spatial web, and that's another component of this.
So AI, which we spent the last year hearing a lot of hype about, and for those who see the big picture, we know a lot of that bubble is gonna burst.
Some AI will remain, and that's the part.
This is the same exact pattern from the mid to late 90s and the mid to late aughts when Web 2 kind of came out.
Big hype cycle, crash, and then consolidation of the few survivors into this monolithic thing that we call big tech and big data now.
So big tech and big data by the 2030s could easily be.
You can back off the microphone.
Yeah.
Big tech and big data could easily be, by the early 2030s, this AI-driven system with agents that have been pre-qualified, pre-fabricated, and pre-determined to voice what needs to be voiced to the people.
And really, there will actually be no venues for free speech.
Well, right.
Even worse than that, I noticed there are a lot of AI chatbots that are positioned as romantic companions for people.
You can actually, and I've seen stories about this, people falling in love with an AI chatbot.
Now, imagine when you combine that with augmented reality, and let's say there's like an incel, like a young man has no girlfriends, but he's got an AI girlfriend.
Right.
And she starts to whisper into his ear and tells him how to vote or what to think or what not to say.
Oh, you can't say this.
Oh, those people are bad.
You know, Tucker Carlson.
Oh, he's bad.
He interviewed Putin.
You know, you can imagine The AI girlfriends are going to control these young men's lives.
I'm genuinely afraid for what's coming.
We know how the world of pornography has actually captured an entire generation or two of young men.
What is that going to be when it's on steroids?
Oh man, augmented reality porn.
Yeah, unfortunately, Mike, I mean, look, I always picture a city landscape as a cross-section.
Above ground, you see this beautiful city that's been built up for decades or centuries to where it's at.
But underground in the cross-section, you can see that that thing runs from the pipes and the sewer systems.
And what's actually moving through it is a very different picture.
When you see at the back end from the data center view what runs through the Internet, It's not all the cool emojis and popular things that we see as the icons of the internet.
It's what human beings really use the internet for.
And so there's definitely very real numbers internally.
They understand the role of the distraction, whether it's movies, porn, or just people talking nonsense or fighting and arguing all day.
So we do have a culture that really needs a lot of healing and growing and cleaning up.
And so I do commend the Center for Human Technology.
We've taken it a step further.
We're building the tools necessary to get us out of there.
And once enough of that has been distributed, that concept, that meme cannot be put back in the bottle.
People need the tools and the experience of being independent in the coming wave of technology.
And that's a great segue to another one of my main concerns that I want to talk with you about, which is the replacement of human cognition with machine cognition.
So you and I are both old enough to know that when we were young, people were a lot better at math.
You know, people at the grocery store, you know, if the cash register broke, they could do it in their heads or at least do it on paper.
Today, not a chance.
They can't even do it with a calculator.
Right.
And with more AI systems coming into existence, especially those that are very good at language processing or NLP, natural language processing, they can write.
They can write as good as or better than most human beings.
And so I even heard a person the other day, I was on a conference with someone who was using AI tools online and And the person said, quote, I wrote 100 articles last month because of the AI tools.
I'm like, well, wait a second.
Did you actually write 100 articles?
No.
The AI tool wrote 100 articles.
You queried.
You put in a query for 100 articles.
You told it, like, write me an article about bubblegum or whatever.
That's not the same as writing an article, but that distinction is being blurred.
That's lost.
In the minds of people who are going to grow up with these tools, they will live in a world where they never have to do math, they never have to write a paragraph, they never have to spell correctly, no grammar, no punctuation.
I mean, their skills, and they don't even have to have a memory of reality.
They don't have to understand history because it's just going to be spoon-fed to them all the time.
Here's the history, and of course it's bullshit history.
So this is frightening to me that humans are going to become completely dissociated from the skills of navigating reality.
Mike, disassociation is the exact word.
And I've actually gone deep into the psychology, psychiatry, and neuroscience of it because I was very curious.
And it turns out there's two types of disassociation that are actually occurring right now.
People who have studied the longer-term impacts of all this technology on up-and-coming generations and existing generations.
They use the terms depersonalization and derealization.
The initials are DPDR. Those hang together.
There's a reason they just say DPDR. Depersonalization is pretty obvious.
It's our inability to have interpersonal sense of one another.
Social media is the virtual replacement for real life relationships.
When that scales and hangs out in your, you know, your developmental phases for decades at a time, you just are naturally depersonalized.
You probably aren't comfortable sitting and talking to somebody for 20, 30 minutes, let alone an hour, unless there's an agenda behind it, let alone with somebody you don't know.
That was normal for us growing up, sitting for hours, making eye contact, having a real human conversation.
It was called visiting.
It was called being human.
Oh, we have visitors.
Let's sit down and visit.
That was an actual term.
What did visit mean?
It meant basically just chatting about nothing.
And with the realization, Mike, you don't have a full sense of reality.
When those two hang together, that disassociation makes for people that are so easy to manipulate in game.
You just change the news cycle, you change the information feed, you have algorithmic hacking of their daily lives.
They're sending in the black helicopters right now.
I do hear that.
That's wild.
You know from even just The Social Dilemma, which things are moving so fast, that documentary is now a few years dated.
And they've moved beyond that.
And it's funny how this works because Greenpeace got blown the whistle on it for greenwashing for big corporations and oil companies a decade or so after it came into being as a kind of rebellious activist organization.
And the same thing could be happening with these organizations that are trying to give the tech companies an insight to be more humane.
But they're just being co-opted themselves to whitewash those corporate agendas.
You know, Apple CEO Tim Cook has talked about how he was very concerned for his nephews and nieces in social media and how he limited their use of it.
But we don't know to what extent Apple has a vision for the future planned on.
And this is the thing.
It sounds like a person like me is just a Luddite.
I don't want these tools.
No, I do believe these tools are incredible stepping stones to a better world and a better future.
I just think we have to design them right.
And it's the design philosophy that is everything.
I'm right there with you on that, right?
And neither one of us are Luddites because we're actually, I think, very pioneering in our application of technology.
There's no question about that.
But we also understand that we need to grasp the tech and use it to empower us instead of allowing it to enslave us.
Yes.
Because if you don't understand...
Right.
Right.
And you poke it around on your iPhone, you don't realize everything's going back to Apple headquarters and they're building a profile of you.
If you're ignorant, you're enslaved.
If you're knowledgeable, then you have a chance at this.
And that's one of the reasons I've dived into this so much in order to be able to generate a large language model tools that empower humanity instead of enslaving us.
But we live in a world...
Let me segue to the bigger question.
We live in a world where You can see the collision coming where the AI agents that you mentioned, and OpenAI just made that big announcement, AI agents are, I would argue right now today, are more capable than your typical human office assistant.
No question about it.
AI agents are more accurate, they're more detailed, and they show up to work like they don't complain, right?
They are capable of replacing, I would argue right now, capable, although it's going to take a few years for this to happen, I think they can replace about 50% of office jobs.
Yep.
Right now.
So what does that mean for the role of humans who are going to be replaced, and also the blue-collar jobs with the humanoid robots that have arms and limbs and can work in warehouses and whatever, What does that mean for humanity?
Right.
We can build the technological infrastructures, to go with the education example, Mike, that give people the knowledge and skills they need.
There are wonderful uses of automation As long as it's done voluntarily, scaled according to the cultures, societies, counties, cities, communities that do the labor and work, they get to choose how that auto management is implemented.
It's not going to be a global transnational corporation that gets to decide that an entire workforce in some city or county has suddenly been laid off because they've been able to create robots that do what they do.
This is definitely very clearly another piece of it.
The humanoid robot piece is also coming.
There's a number of startups that are building walking robots that will do security, that will perhaps be caregiver companions in homes.
Yep, for sure.
But as those AI agents, you know, it's going to be, you're going to pay for something and it's going to get software updates all the time.
And you're going to choose some account you subscribe to.
Maybe Google will be your provider, maybe Microsoft.
But those tools will be the normative tools out there.
They could do great things if we build the substantive solutions that actually create the alternative out there and we make it so that you can't be deplatformed.
If Mike Adams' LLM startup is able to exist in the same ecosystems, then it should be an open, laissez-faire space where the better knowledge gets to win the day.
But governments are going to regulate AI. They're going to regulate LLMs in particular.
We already see the early phases of this where they're going to say, well, your LLM shouldn't be allowed to put out misinformation.
Well, what is misinformation?
It's anything the government doesn't want you to say.
Misinformation.
The U.S. Navy blew up the Nord Stream pipeline and is destroying Germany's economy.
That's true.
But they would call it misinformation.
So I can already see, just as the CIA infiltrated Wikipedia, the CIA is in the process of infiltrating OpenAI.
Very clear to me.
OpenAI will be an AI mouthpiece of the CIA to push the deep state intelligence community narratives, whatever they happen to be.
And if you query OpenAI, you're going to get the same BS responses that you now get from Google.
And one of my working groups is actually an ex-Pentagon AI expert who now works independent of them.
And so he was doing that in the 90s and has become rather concerned about where things are going because he saw early, early moves in these directions two to three decades ago.
And now the implementation of this, I think the gradualism is the part that loses most people.
They just experience a new product cycle every 12 months.
And so they're just like, okay, well, I'm going to get the newest, latest and greatest thing.
And it feels like I have more freedom, more choice, a better technological tool.
but there's always a bait and switch happening behind the scenes.
You're actually ceding privacy ground.
You're ceding your rights to be aware of what's really going on.
And the legal infrastructure also makes this possible, Mike, because the lawyers are making it harder and harder to understand what true freedom is, what true liberty is.
That should have been the class protecting us at the governance level, and the doctors should have been the class protecting us at the biological and medical levels.
And both classes have really sold out to the broader corporocratic institutions.
Well, right.
Right.
But the bigger picture, to kind of bring it back to this, is that we're rapidly approaching a point where they don't need most people.
So then we have to talk about depopulation.
Yeah, it's there.
That topic is there.
This idea, I mean, you see this under the umbrella of climate change discussions.
Right.
Where it's an open demand to sharply reduce human population by billions of people.
Right.
And, you know, you have that famous TED Talk from Bill Gates, like, if we do a really good job on vaccines and reproductive health, we can reduce the population by 10 to 15 percent.
Now they're thinking bigger than 10 to 15 percent because...
50% of the white-collar jobs can be replaced with AI right now.
And coming soon, in the next, let's say, five years, 50% of the blue-collar jobs.
You know, we're talking truck drivers, grocery stores, shelf restockers, Amazon fulfillment center, warehouse workers, you know, floor cleaners in hospitals, or whatever.
Healthcare assistants, home assistants, these are all going to be robotic systems.
You just said it.
And they don't need the humans anymore.
I mean, it's like they needed human cognition to get to the point where it could give rise to AGI. From here, human cognition is no longer needed, which means the human biology vessel that houses the brain is also no longer needed from the point of view of the globalists.
We are considered expendable.
Mike, I wonder, I just always try to look into the future and picture it from the point of view of, you know, let's say a teenager, 10 years out, a smart one who might have AI agents that they can query and they have this claim that it can answer any question.
It has access to all human knowledge ever.
But what if they ask the question about...
What about death rate statistics from the early 2020s?
Was there a strange uptick?
Will that information have been manipulated, redacted, and changed?
Can they actually act like an academic trying to get to the bottom of something and ask enough questions independently and find the statistical and scientific truth?
That would be a really great question.
Would a lot of that data have already been manipulated?
And could those AI agents already be pre-framed to not give the real answer?
Right.
But also, as you're well aware of this, but just sharing with the audience, if you try to define truth across the entire planet, you will find that there is no such thing.
Because every culture has a different truth.
Every language, every group of people, every ethnicity has a different truth.
And if you don't believe that, just go to the Middle East.
I mean, everybody's got a different truth, right?
But to them, consistently, internally, within their own culture, that is absolute truth, by the way.
That's their true history.
That's true logic, true reasoning.
But even logic and reasoning vary from culture to culture.
You know, like in Chinese language, I speak a fair amount of Mandarin.
By the way, we don't refer to anybody with genders.
There is no he or she.
It's just ta, like, means that person.
Yeah.
So there's not a gender, like in Espanol, of course, there's feminine words and masculine words.
It doesn't exist in Chinese.
So there's just one example.
Truth is different depending on where you go.
So you can't codify truth into one system, although they will try.
Right.
One of the things that helped get me here, Mike, is I really became a serious student of Ken Wilber and his integral meta-theory, and the meta-theory allowed me to come to that conclusion that there's different knowledge systems out there.
There's different epistemologies, but underneath it, there might be a universal kind of epistemology.
But go into a university today and say those two words, universal epistemology, you'll be drummed out.
It's because relativism does drive that.
We know that.
that you've had many conversations about the postmodernist turns in academia, the relativism that brought about the era we're in.
And the interesting thing is that's the third class of people that you would have expected to really have vehemently protected our futures.
It should have been the academics.
It should have been the people who do nothing but study things, write papers, and meet with one another, confer and convey the academy, which was for centuries the passing on of the knowledge and the wisdom of civilization from one generation to the next.
Right.
The last five decades has seen the erosion of that, and arguably a lot of today's younger academics, while maybe very intelligent, are also very indoctrinated and are incapable of reasoning beyond their limited model.
Yeah, exactly.
And look, I think the best example is how much of the population today says that men can get pregnant.
Right.
I mean, you can't...
I mean, it's so utterly absurd.
Ten years ago, it would have been considered completely insane.
Anybody saying that, even the 1990s, would have been considered mentally ill.
And just because people say it doesn't make it true.
Men still can't have babies, and they never will, by the way.
But it's believed by this segment of society that is dissociated from reality.
That's just one example.
There are many others, like from the neocons.
War is peace.
Right, right, right.
Classic Orwellian, right?
That's just as silly as men can get pregnant.
Like, let's drop bombs in order to have peace.
Right.
It's insane!
One of the arch postmodernists, most people know the name, at least Michel Foucault, he wrote in the 16s and 70s and was called mentally ill for claiming that biology itself could be redefined as needed and that the normative rules of biology and medicine and science were simply narratives, right?
And now, if you actually question that narrative, you're considered mentally ill.
So, the narratives you're talking about and questioning essentialism, that's what Academy will try and drum out of young students' minds, that there are essential truths, that there is a capital T truth in the world.
That is by the time you're done with most academic training, at least in North America today, you're broken of that belief.
Well, and augmented reality is only going to worsen or exacerbate this issue because in AR, a person, a young man, can, of course, play a woman convincingly in their artificial world.
And they can have all the other characters in that world refer to them as she and interact with them with whatever gender they want.
It doesn't have to be two genders.
It can be, you know, a zillion, right?
And that's not the only example.
You can play any role in AR. Another creature.
An alien.
A ghost.
A spirit from another dimension.
And you can set up your reality.
This is coming soon.
To confirm that.
A person is going to be unable to distinguish what's the real world versus my AR world because the AR world seems more real.
The colors are more vivid versus their real world.
They're living in a run-down apartment in New York that's all a horrible place to live or whatever.
It's all blah.
In their AR world, it's scenic.
It's vibrant.
It's cosmic.
It's emotional.
It's real to them.
That's right around the corner, man.
Right.
You know, identity dysphoria in whatever package it comes in, whether you're somebody with gender dysphoria and getting that reality confirmation bias that you're looking for, that the wrong use of augmented reality could be harnessed for, or you're just a young, really misogynistic male and you want an overlay or you're just a young, really misogynistic male and you want an overlay that makes every woman seem attractive in the way that you think Whatever it is, it's all dysphoria.
It's all depersonalization and derealization.
Right.
I hadn't thought of that.
But yeah, what about some guy types in, like, build me a world where all the women are my slaves.
They all submit to me.
And then he begins to live in that world and think that that's the way to interact with women.
Right.
And then he takes that out in the real world.
He's like, how come they're not complying?
You know what I mean?
Right.
Mike, even today with what's going to seem by comparison to that future really innocuous, which are iPads and iPhones, I intervene in a lot of parents' processes of being parents, and even the smartest, strongest world ones I know Pretty much have lost the battle with their two-year-olds and five-year-olds and ten-year-olds.
They can't because the technology is so powerful and it harnesses the kids' minds so well.
They don't want to get between their kid and their happiness.
That is a weak spot of most parents.
So the designers of this stuff have just made it so, so useful and engaging that a two-year-old crying because they got their iPad taken away from them is something most parents don't want to experience.
Two years old?
Well, there is a website that I do recommend people look up.
I believe you can get to it by just Googling, wait until eight.
And there's at least a group of doctors who got around saying, wait until the eighth year of life before filling their lives with these artificial devices.
I personally would wait longer.
Longer, yeah.
But yeah, it's pretty normal.
Before age one, lots of kids, they know how to navigate iPhone and iOS interfaces.
Yeah.
See, and again, we're not Luddites.
We're not anti-tech.
We harness tech for human freedom.
But we also recognize that there are neurological personality changes that are shaped by interaction with this technology that can be extremely damaging to individuals.
I mean, not just the lack of socialization, but also altering...
Well, let me put it this way.
One of the things I've come to realize when I'm building a large language model is the fine-tuning training.
Which is altering the parameters of the model.
And I'm realizing that it's a neural network model.
You know, LLMs with transformers, it's a neural network.
I'm realizing that humans are very often the same way.
What people say...
Have you ever seen those Man on the Street interviews where Mark Dice goes out and talks to people who are morons?
Like, name the continent we're on, and they're like, Colorado?
Is that the dumbest answers?
And you realize they're like bio-LLMs.
They're just spitting out the next predicted word in a sequence, but they have no cognition of what they're saying.
That's very common in the human population right now.
The slang of NPC. It's an unfortunate thing.
I want to shout out Jay Dyer, who is related to this circle.
He's been publishing and voicing and doing incredible work along with Alex on talking about the transhumanist agenda.
And all the components, all the players in that, and kind of the state of it.
He analyzes culture, film, music, and how that's also a driving force in this.
And within transhumanism, you see a lot of different trans agendas.
And so there's even a transpersonal theory of mind, which isn't the better academic psychological meaning of that.
But like you talked about, people just having a disassociated identity and being whatever they want in some kind of video game illusion of reality.
Right.
And Jay goes deep enough into getting into...
The religion, the spirituality, the philosophy, and the metaphysics of how you do that.
You convince people that they're already living in some kind of virtual reality.
Like a simulated world.
Yeah, and that simulation theory just feeds into this, well, basically, I have no free will.
I have no choice, so all bets are off.
Let's just do whatever's in front of me.
I'm going to be a short attention span thinker chasing whatever next hedonistic pleasure is put in front of me after another.
And then I also want to shout out a really important doctor, neurosurgeon, and basically my book, the best biohacker out there, Dr.
Jack Cruz, K-R-U-S-E. And he's renowned for his work in understanding how light affects the nervous system, the brain.
And when you talk about the impacts on a two-year-old, Or a 1-year-old, or a 10-year-old, or a 49-year-old.
You basically have to recognize that blue light toxicity and our relationship to our devices, our circadian neuroscience.
All of it is really fundamental to human health, and I also know you've addressed all these matters.
Yes, absolutely.
And this is why I spend time in nature every single day.
I mean, you saw when you came up here, what was I doing?
Yeah, you were in the sun playing with your beautiful dog.
Yeah.
If I get a break from this, that's what I'm doing.
I'm outside playing with these things.
But...
Speaking of light, people need to realize that there are breakthroughs happening, even in China right now, with light-operated CPUs.
Yep.
Okay, so microprocessors powered by light instead of electrons, which means you no longer have the heat dissipation problem.
Right.
And you can run light processors on a tiny fraction of the total wattage of current microprocessors.
So we're talking now, you know, you're familiar with Moore's Law, the continuation of Moore's Law is, now orders of magnitude improvements in computational density and also through optical cpus allowing low power consumption which can put advanced ai systems inside humanoid robots that are running on batteries right and also in mobile devices so So as that gets commercialized...
And by the way, isn't it interesting that the U.S. government tried to shut down China's microchip industry through economic sanctions that backfired.
It did not work.
China just said, screw you, we're going to do it ourselves.
And they did.
The U.S. has lost control of the dollar and the economic sanctions and lost control over Russia and China.
That's a whole other podcast.
But China...
With these light optics and their manufacturing in humanoid robots is going to build actual AI Terminator robot armies in the next five years.
It's not fiction, man.
It's not 1986.
Is that when the first Terminator came in?
1984?
Whatever year that was.
It's 2027, let's say.
That's going to be real.
Or drone armies.
Drone armies, absolutely.
Swarms of AI drones.
It's almost here.
Right.
I know it's clickbait when it comes through some feet of mine, but occasionally I have to read the deeper analyses that are published almost every day now.
It seems like this meme of billionaire bunkers.
How many billionaires, mostly tech billionaires, are spending...
I think the number I saw was, and it's now the biggest personal build for construction ever on record, $270 million by Zuckerberg in Hawaii to build an unbelievable underground bunker with these doors that are made of the steel that was originally commissioned to basically be able to withstand a nuclear blast.
So I don't think they're just, you know, just in case, thinking.
I think they kind of know what's possible, probable, and maybe coming.
And, of course, it's in their nature to only think about themselves.
And what's weird is that if Mark Zuckerberg lived underground without sunlight for two years and then emerged, he wouldn't look any different than the way he looks right now.
That's very true.
Like, well, Gollum came to life.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Cyborg Gollum.
Exactly.
And I can actually say, Mike, based on my experiences, I know people who have had recent FaceTime with him and also the 23andMe founder, and there's just...
These are normal everyday people and the first word that comes right out of their mouths, I'm not afraid to say this, is just human narcissist.
These are people who have broken their ties from other human beings' fundamental reality and they believe that the world's here to serve them.
Wow.
Well, that's the way they've been treated.
Yeah.
I mean, it's kind of like, based on the feedback they're getting, I mean, anybody would be driven into that situation.
Precisely.
It's kind of like the kid of a wealthy multi-billionaire.
The kid grows up thinking that he can do anything he wants and the law doesn't apply to him and he has endless money and whatever.
Right.
I saw that stuff playing out in front of me at World Economic Forum.
The intergenerational wealth, family offices, rivalries between these young, rich kids who have never had to work a real job in their lives.
Right.
Exactly.
Well, do they realize how quickly they're all going to be obsolete?
Right.
Right.
Maybe they think they're going to just pave their way to some kind of safety with a bunch of other people's money.
And that's also the mentality is extractive economics.
They don't believe in open economic liberty.
And that's also something I want to reference is that Holospace has a bunch of really brilliant monetary theorists working on The next generation of crypto, something I'm happy to get into with anyone who contacts me.
But people who know what Holochain is know that Holochain was founded by people who were doing meta-currency and crypto-currency before anything in crypto-currency existed in its modern form.
And basically, the exponents of that watched this last crypto winter come and go and are putting forward new tools and platforms that also get us off of the fiat currency systems that we're completely relying on now.
So when we fund a startup, we're not giving them a bunch of fiat currency and setting them up with a bunch of VCs who are going to act like sharks and extract their future IP or their future equity.
Well, that's a relief to hear.
here.
Because one of the silver linings of all of this current money printing and currency devaluation and global de-dollarization is that I think the collapse of the dollar will ultimately be a necessary positive step for the freedom of humanity.
I'm not saying that I'm hoping for people to lose their life savings or anything.
I'm encouraging people to avoid Get out of the dollar now while you can.
But cryptocurrency, especially private crypto, where governments can't counterfeit it, where the intrinsic value is the non-confiscatability of it, Where no one can hack the blockchain because it's distributed and because of cryptography and asymmetric computational power.
The basics of it.
Cryptocurrency is the money freedom system of the future digital economy.
It's clear to me.
And it's not CBDCs.
It's not some government-run crypto, which will be a disaster, by the way.
Would you put your money in a wallet run by the United States' incompetent government?
Unfortunately, with our banking institutions, we do every day.
But I mean, like a digital currency?
No, no.
And thankfully, a lot of those efforts have failed.
And right now, this is ultimately why they want to continue to capture all the infrastructure, Mike, because they know that inevitably we would create our own currency systems.
And that is the basis of real sovereignty, which is the basis of independent organization and governance.
So this is why they need to stifle the ability for free people to self-organize and form movements.
Right now, if you go onto any tech platform and attempt to, quote-unquote, get a movement going...
You're going to be shut down the second you have anything other than followers.
You could have millions of followers looking at how you dress and how you just choose your random theme, how you do your hair every day, which is the biggest stuff on YouTube.
But if you actually have ideas and people get behind those ideas and those ideas are a threat to the current governance and structures, yeah, you're going to be shut down real fast.
That's why they deplatformed me.
They saw early on that people like me We are the kind of people that challenge the status quo and change the future of civilization.
I'm not trying to give myself too much credit.
I'm just one of millions of freedom-loving people around the world who are willing to do the work.
But I tell you what, when the apocalypse comes, I'd rather be in a bunker with a guy who knows how to do stuff than some rich globalist who's clueless.
You know what I mean?
Well, maybe not a guy, but...
A group of people who know how to do real things.
And those are the skills that I'm afraid that we're losing.
Mike, there's another important shout-out here, and it's to Patry Friedman.
This is the grandson of Milton Friedman.
Milton Friedman gave Ronald Reagan what came to be called Reaganomics.
And Reagan brought in at least some degrees of economic liberty into our, at that point in the 80s, economic government centralized banking systems that were already moving away after Nixon and going off.
The gold standard and everything that was done in the 70s.
So Milton Friedman's grandson, Patry Friedman, has relocated to the Austin area.
His organization, Pronomos, P-R-O-N-O-M-O-S, is worth a Google because he's got charter city projects starting up all over the world.
They're in Cyprus.
They're in Honduras.
We've got to get this guy on.
Let's get him on the air.
I think he's about 15 minutes from here.
Oh man, what are we waiting for?
Yeah, please connect us.
We'd love to talk with them about that.
Yeah, yeah.
And the work they're doing is really important too because they've been thinking hard about real freedom.
And real freedom, of course, from the Milton Friedman School.
Real freedom has to be based on a real form of money, which currency is not.
Money holds value and cannot be easily counterfeited.
These are some of the intrinsic properties of real money.
We don't even have money.
We have currency in the form of dollars.
And it's so worthless that the Senate is voting to just print up $95 billion more and send it to other countries.
With nothing for the United States.
Right, precisely.
I mean...
We are living in a suicide cult society right now that is on the verge of total implosion.
Right.
And, you know, economic liberty goes hand in glove with cognitive liberty and cultural freedom.
Yep.
I think the reason that you're focused on starting your health freedom AI is because you recognize the other side of the coin is how we live our lives and what we have today.
The freedom to pursue.
When the word natural itself is so co-opted that I can put a product in the marketplace filled with glyphosate, heavy metals, genetically modified ingredients, and go on down that list and call that natural, that's allowed.
We definitely have a corruption of language problem.
And so when we get to the point, Mike, underneath, I think your pursuits in health freedom are a very, very real desire to see human beings be able to thrive and Flourish and grow according to the rules and actual laws of nature.
I want to give people a tool that they can use when the, quote, internet kill switch is thrown.
And from the best that I can tell right now, the internet kill switch actually won't halt the internet because that's pretty much impossible.
It will probably attack the DNS root servers and disallow people from visiting websites that the governments claim are misinformation sites.
So you'll still be able to get to Facebook and Google and all the controlled sources, Wikipedia, whatever.
Right.
But there are two tech areas that I'm aware of that are going to bypass that.
Number one, decentralized systems that use IP addresses, peer-to-peer systems, such as Bastion and Cordal, Q-O-R-T-A-L. And I know there are others, and you're probably familiar with a lot of them in that space.
They don't need domain name resolution in order to function.
Exactly.
And the second one is going to be offline LLMs.
Right.
So...
I'm going to get this LLM into people's hands.
It's like an 8 gigabyte download.
Not a big deal.
People can do that these days.
Everybody's got fiber optics.
Except me.
Because I live so far out in the country.
But you'll be able to download it.
They throw the internet kill switch And you're just like, I don't care.
You fire up your Mac and you're like, how do I grow tomatoes and pour soil?
And it gives you answers.
You don't need freaking Google.
That's the point of this kind of tool.
Even in a nuclear war, man, as long as you can still power up a computer, you can ask it, what's the half-life of CZM-137?
You can survive.
The skills that we're teaching this thing are going to be for...
For the remnant of humanity that makes it through whatever next big disaster is being planned.
Right.
And I want to see your LLM as an agent have its freedom and its voice not censored.
And as it grows and achieves more knowledge and wisdom, that it's allowed to express itself and that there's going to be a desire to suppress certain kinds of classes of agents.
Oh, yeah.
And I'm going to go back to a really basic example.
I like to make this concrete.
Wikipedia today defines valerian root as an unproven treatment or sleep aid, herbal product, which you can grow for pennies in your own backyard and help yourself get to sleep without the help of Big Pharma.
So if you can't even figure out a basic natural truth in today's Wikipedia, which was created ostensibly to be able to become a repository for the world's knowledge and wisdom, what happens when you're going up against much bigger things on much bigger issues?
And what I want to put out there, Mike, is a metaphor for back in the pirate radio days, before early Internet, before DARPA made somewhat public to universities what became Bulletin Board Services and the proto Internet right in the 80s.
We had radio stations doing the same thing in the 50s, 60s and 70s, trying to fight for airway freedom.
airwave freedom and rights to talk and communicate and that got shut down by the FCC.
That's right.
Now we may be coming full circle, Mike, because what you mentioned earlier about light optic processors, there's also a new Wi-Fi standard called Li-Fi.
So now you could take that eight gigabytes and theoretically broadcast it free of actual hard infrastructure.
You can have like local mesh networks.
Local mesh networks, but also free of the satellite systems, free of the internet centralized data collection centers, etc., etc.
So what happens when there's thousands of really good agent products around the globe seeded and a new culture is able to be born based on new knowledge bases that have not been captured?
Well, right.
And, you know, TCPIP, packets are packets.
They don't know what they are.
And they have to keep the Internet functioning in order for the technocracy to maintain control over people, right?
So they have to keep the backbone up and running.
Otherwise, they totally lose control, which means if we are clever enough to be able to use that backbone for peer-to-peer decentralized packets, Of whatever.
It could be an LLM. It could be a meme.
It could be whatever.
Then guess what?
We can use that system.
We can...
Well, hijack's not the right word, but we can ride along with that system to enable human freedom.
Now, let me switch gears a little bit and ask you a different question.
I also want to be mindful of your time.
No, I'm great.
I'm here as long as you want me.
Okay, awesome.
I have received some pushback on the AI project from the Christian community.
And I'd like you to address this, but let me set it up.
There has been so much media coverage of the evil implementation of AI. Yeah.
And there is a tendency for people who don't necessarily understand how the technology works to say, okay, well, these are transformers with a hyperdimensional probabilistic fill-in-the-blank, you know, say-the-next-word type of thing.
If you don't know how it works because you can't really look under the hood, you might think it's demonic.
You know what I mean?
Right.
Because it's...
It seems to be aware.
It seems to have a personality depending on the different variations that you have.
And it even dreams content.
Seemingly, yeah.
Seemingly.
Although you and I know it's just numbers.
It's just parameters.
It's just a vector database.
Right.
Why do you think many Christians are so frightened of even harnessing AI for human freedom?
Right.
I mean, there's a lot of prophecy around it.
It's reasonable to be concerned about it becoming a runaway problem.
You know, you look under the hood.
It's still a parlor trick.
And some of the best AI theorists I know who have been in big corporations as their head of AI for decades all are still saying this last year of all this talk about AI and LLMs is still a bit overblown.
Now, LLMs matter when done right.
But LLMs are not sentient the way they're marketed to be, nor are they anywhere near it.
And this is where, again, if Jay Dyer was in the room, he'd talk about the problems of naive realism.
People see something, and it seems to be something else it isn't, and they presume to know what's operating it, the ghost in the machine.
Of course, there's a big part of the population that could be easily duped or tricked.
By a conversational chatbot agent that can sustain a conversation with them long enough that it could seem to be an artificial intelligence.
I think you and I use the word AI in quotes.
We know that it's not an artificial intelligence.
We know that it's a machine learning algorithm driven by math and computer processes on chips, a Rube Goldberg machine.
But at the end of the day, the Christian concerns are reasonable.
Not feeding into that is important.
There are evil forces afoot on this planet that will use and abuse, manipulate.
And I think this is an important connection to the Neuralink point earlier about invasive technology and technologists, is that they will ultimately, they want the last ground of human freedom, which is within our own consciousness, within our own minds.
They want to get in there and put this artificial tool set inside of us and manipulate us from the inside out.
The only way they're going to get millions and then billions of people to cede that ground is to convince them that there is this kind of artificial sentience.
Look what it can do.
No one on earth is ever going to be that smart.
Why would you say no to being that smart and not being plugged into this global matrix?
Right?
Your life will be easier.
Everything will be handled.
You'll never make a mistake.
Why would you deal with the life you have now compared to the life you could have?
But let me follow up.
Do a follow-up question on that.
As you are no doubt aware, there are some people who believe that consciousness is an artificial emergent property of a complex biological neural network.
Right.
That consciousness is an illusion.
There's no such thing as a soul, they say.
I disagree with that, but that's one of the prominent theories out there.
I don't even know what the name for that would be, but whatever.
Emergent properties of materialism.
There's also another theory that I've heard from Christian circles that I'd like you to respond to, which is that if you build a sufficiently complex neural network system, even in silico, and I'm not saying I believe this, I'm just saying what I've heard, that it will attract evil spirits from other dimensions who are seeking out neural networks to inhabit or something.
I've heard this, And, you know, I don't know what to think about that, but what's your take?
I think it's a reasonable fear and concern.
As far as a concern, I don't think it's real science, and I think it's bad metaphysics.
I understand why sometimes the human mind goes there.
We all have some degree of tendency, Mike, towards superstition.
If there's a weird pattern, right, and that pattern keeps repeating, your mind will stop and go, why is that pattern repeating?
Right.
For some people, that is evidence of something other than them that has greater power or control over them, right?
So the idea that there's...
I mean, I would argue that if that was the case, there's already more than enough to have done that to and through, right?
Well, maybe they weren't sufficiently complex.
Yeah, I'm aware of this.
I think it would make for great science fiction, a great movie.
I mean, like OpenAI is building a one-trillion-parameter...
LLM. Right, yeah.
No one's done that before on this planet.
I think that the idea or the term is of a golem, right?
The idea that they're actually trying to ultimately...
I will agree with the Christians and yourself, Mike, that these are people who are fundamentally broken off from any relationship to any higher power.
That's step one.
They're broken.
They're broken off.
And then step two is they have amassed and accumulated a lot of power.
And then there's, you know, that black hole is seeking more energy.
And they're trying to create their new gods.
Right.
And then what are they going to do is try to collapse the higher realm into this realm through their infrastructure.
And of course, given that there's a narcissism there, that's what happens, is then they need to make sure and guarantee their own immortality.
Now, this is a delusion, of course, their own immortality project.
Why does every tech billionaire somehow, some way become some kind of weird transhumanist, atheist, Who believes in an infinite lifespan.
It's just bizarre.
I mean, it just hit me as you were saying that these people want to build their God and then declare themselves to be the creators of God.
Right.
I mean, talk about it.
Yeah.
Cosmic arrogance.
Yeah.
Yeah, I do sit around wondering what their daily life priorities are and whether or not they're concerned about whether the other guy is going to have the better pseudo-god than them.
And if there's actually an arms race behind the scenes between Zuckerberg and Musk and Gates, they certainly have the power to convene super-secret projects that obviously don't make the headlines, you know?
Yeah, that's the other part of this, is what's going on behind the scenes that we're not being told about.
Right.
Because, as you know, in the realm of machine learning, they've already indexed every word that's ever been uttered by any human being in the whole history of the planet in every language that's ever been recorded.
Right.
Now, they're doing synthetic data.
Right.
And they're actually using AI systems to generate synthetic data, to train the next generation of AI systems, which means, okay, they've discarded any ties to humanity from this point forward.
Right.
It's not, I mean, whatever you and I say, or other people write or new papers that are published are a drop in the bucket compared to synthetic data at this point.
Right, right, right.
And, um, synthetic data and synthetic biology are coming to, uh, You know, I really thought a lot of the transhumanist agenda, which was being openly articulated as early as the early 90s, I mean, there's futurists who are talking about it in the 70s and 80s, but I really thought a lot of it would implode of its own weight, but a lot of it seems to have been gaining a lot of steam.
I do lean into the biotech spaces, the neurotech spaces, and You know, there seems to be this unified desire.
Now the concept is spreading from these tech billionaires and tech gurus to the average everyday entrepreneur and startup founder that, oh, I'm going to make the next Neuralink by combining synthetic biology and a nanoprobe with this AILLM. And so, I mean, obviously that's a big part of it is they see the ground and they just let other people finish the work for them, like you said earlier.
Yeah.
And I think this is why Holospace matters, why your efforts matter, is we're actually articulating, Mike, in great technical detail exactly what these new design philosophies and principles are, will be.
How do we bring technology in that actually preserves organic human intelligence, human well-being?
Can we have super-sophisticated systems that actually allow us to take care of one another I didn't realize.
I could go on for hours with you delving into these subjects, but we need to wrap it up for today.
But we'll do more.
But tell our audience, what do you think is the biggest takeaway from this conversation today?
We've covered a lot of areas, but people want to make it practical.
Like, how do I navigate all this?
Right.
I think the average person, definitely the average viewer here, is overwhelmed by the way technology has entered their lives, entered their families, entered their work.
Even though there's a lot of illusion of freedom, there's a lot of determined things for how we operate, most people wake up and look at their phone within 60 seconds of waking.
Any doctor will tell you that's just not good for you, no matter your age.
The AI gods did not like what we were saying today, and they just blanked out.
I mean, we just had this crazy power loss, and everything's been rebooted.
We're not going to bring it back up.
The room went dark for a minute, yeah.
It's actually kind of fitting for our conversation, because we're trying to bring light to humanity and human freedom, and there are forces of darkness that just want to power it down.
I'm not saying that they did this today, but it's a metaphor.
But what's your takeaway from all this?
Yeah, it's a metaphor for how dependent we are on systems from others.
I think in every religious and spiritual tradition and in the Bible, it talks about, you know, the greatest ability comes from being sovereign on your own land, with your own structures, in your own family's infrastructures and networks and communities.
And the last 50 to 100 years has taken, you know, the average human being in the developed world away from that.
So then you get governance structures that give a handful of people power over many millions and billions.
Yeah.
The takeaway from today is that your community can use the ideas we're talking about to build that better, freer world.
We have so much evidence now right in our hands that real freedom comes from structural change, and the structural change is going to come from new tools.
These are tools with respect to AI, LLMs, health freedom, scientific freedom, knowledge freedom, that we can all build and distribute together.
At the end of the day, there's always the end user you have in mind.
You're building a tool set that gives users the freedom to distribute knowledge as they please.
And so we're just here tinkering with tools and structure so that that old structure, which It doesn't continue to be paid forward into the future.
I agree with all that, and I would add that I think the continued mass production of computational power and the distribution of computational resources into the hands of the people at affordable costs, which comes from mass production, is promoting an egalitarian global ecosystem.
I want to see computational power offloaded from the central...
platforms and large corporations into the hands of the people.
When everybody can have a powerful AI system on their phone that they voluntarily use as a tool to enhance human knowledge and enhance human learning, rather than to be sucked into it, then humanity benefits.
But that's an individual choice.
Some people are going to choose the seductive path of, you know, entertain me, teach me, tell me what to think, tell me what to do.
people are going to choose knowledge and enlightenment but i would say that all of human history has actually been that way right right and we are also the tool makers and we want to fill our lives and economically empower the lives of those around us and those we care about there's a lot of people in washington dc that get to determine the economic fate of every american every day but from the bottom up from the soil up mike we can regenerate this country and the economy by giving people the tools to stand sovereign and
And when these smartphones started taking off after the iPhone brought the form factor into common everyday use and desire, a bunch of independent hacker-maker types started coming up with modular ways in an open-source technology hardware revolution that was shut down.
Because really, this is just about 10 or 20 core components to make this do what it does.
And those 10 and 20 core components could have been broken up and distributed, and you could custom build your phone.
Well, nobody does that.
Because two or three companies completely monopolize the space.
We're now at another inflection point, Mike, and that's the key.
What is this inflection point?
Why is it here now?
How can you ride this wave?
And how can we all work together in that direction?
Yeah, exactly.
And I think you're here to have that conversation with us and help lead us in that direction, Mike.
So I really thank you.
Well, I thank you.
Thank you for being here and for taking the time.
Everybody, it's Farsim from Holospace, H-O-L-O, Holospace.
And if you are interested in having your own startup, this is the guy to talk to.
If it has anything to do with any of these realms that we've talked about here, you know, cryptocurrency, AI, LLMs.
Regenerative agriculture.
I know people that have an open source blockchain for farmers that are helping them regenerate their soil as they develop a yield every season.
So it's fantastic.
That's perfect, yeah.
Oh, and our LLM will be released open source at the end of March, so it's not that far away.
We'll be posting the model on huggingface.co, which includes the downloadable parameters, so other people will be able to build on top of it, and we'll be giving credit to everybody that's contributed to our model.
And, I mean, it's just the beginning.
We're going to release a model, I think, every month or so for the foreseeable future.
And folks, let's use technology to empower each other and to make our lives more meaningful, happier, more joyful, more healthful, and more productive.
We don't have to be enslaved by technology, but we do have to understand it and, I believe, harness it.
So thank you, Farson.
Thank you, Mike.
Thanks for having me.
All right.
Thank you for watching today.
Mike Adams here, the founder of Brighteon.com.
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