All Episodes
Previous Next
Feb. 5, 2024 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
58:16
Mike Adams interviews David Steinman on toxic chemicals and their impact on health
| Copy link to current segment

Time Text
Welcome to my show!
And it's something that I practice every single day myself, avoiding all these toxins that can promote degenerative disease or loss of cognitive function or cancers or what have you.
So our guest today is author, activist, and father David Steinman.
His website is davidwilliamsteinman.com and his newest book coming out is called Raising Healthy Kids, Protecting Your Children from Hidden Chemical Toxins Every Day.
And you can find it on Amazon and other booksellers, and that's coming out shortly in just a couple of, well, weeks or a couple of months here, depending on, I guess, how quickly they get these shipped out.
But welcome, David.
It's great to have you on the show today.
Oh, Mike, it's great to be here.
I've been a big fan of your writing for years.
Have you really?
Oh, that's nice to hear.
You have been so informative.
And your stories get a lot of hits, too.
I've read a lot of your stories over the years.
Well, thank you so much.
I think you've taught me a lot, and I really appreciate it.
Wow.
Well, that means a lot coming from you.
But we have so much in common in terms of our interests.
I got into food science looking at heavy metals and nutritional supplements, for example, and then ended up building a lab and doing all kinds of testing.
And I want to ask you, what got you into this area that you've been writing about for many years?
You have another book.
Here it is, Diet for a Poisoned Planet.
Going back to 2006.
So you've been teaching this for quite some time as well.
What got you started?
Well, I grew up in Los Angeles, California.
I fished all of my teen and earlier years in the Santa Monica Bay.
And when I was an investigative journalist for LA Weekly, we did a study that measured the Levels of pesticides and industrial chemicals in people eating fish from the Santa Monica Bay.
Oh, wow.
And we discovered that people who ate the most locally caught fish had much higher levels of pesticide and industrial chemical residue, DDT and PCBs.
Not a surprise.
I was one of the people who had my own blood tested, and I had really high levels.
Even though I was in my 20s, I had levels like someone who had been exposed in an industrial accident.
So I learned that 2,000 tons of DDT had been dumped into the Santa Monica Bay by a chemical company called Montrose that manufactured DDT well into the 80s in Los Angeles.
That's how I got poisoned.
I testified before Congress.
We got the Santa Monica Bay designated as a Superfund site.
And everyone was asking me, well, what is safe to eat?
And this was before the internet, and there was very little information.
That's when I published Diet for a Poisoned Planet, which became a bestseller.
And it shared with people not only safe seafood, but what was safe to eat when it came to veggies and Grains, meats, dairy, etc.
Wow.
Well, and you and I both know, we've both been through this for many years, that the pesticide and herbicide manufacturers engage in all sorts of shenanigans from paying people to ghostwrite, quote, scientific articles or being in bed with regulators and so on.
All kinds of subterfuge in order to keep their toxins legal in the food supply.
Wow.
I mean, what have you seen in that area that stands out?
Well, you're right.
They write the laws.
I mean, the pesticide industry has written all the laws regulating pesticides.
The chemical industry has written the laws regulating chemicals.
That's why we're in such a bad situation now.
You know, for many years, one of the myths that I try to bust in the new book, Raising Healthy Kids, is the one that a little bit of a poison like atrazine is okay to drink every day in your water, for example.
We know from epidemiological studies that people who ingest chemicals like atrazine Or benzene develop excess cancers.
That's right.
A little bit is not okay.
The only attitude you can have as a parent is zero tolerance because a little bit of atrazine or benzene in your drinking water is not okay for your pregnancy, it's not okay for your child, and it's not okay for your adult body as a parent.
And people are willing to accept that they're going to be drinking atrazine or another chemical in their water because public officials will say, well, it's only two parts per billion.
Do you know how small that is?
That's like a drop of water in a swimming pool.
But when they're hormone disruptors, that's a huge dose.
Well, yeah, and it's not just a drop because we're being exposed to so many different ways.
That's right.
And we know, Mike, we know from the studies, for example, that everyday exposure to chemicals like phthalates will cause learning difficulties, cognitive difficulties, attention deficit disorder, modify gender behavior, increase risk for cancer.
And these risks come when kids are exposed at everyday levels.
That's right.
And it's a combination, like you said.
But, you know, it's heavy metals, pesticides, herbicides, the plasticizer chemicals, the phthalates, all of these things together.
And, I mean, our audience understands this, that, of course, nobody in industry ever tests the combination of these and what kind of negative effects that might have on physiology.
Right.
Well, you're right.
But, you know, it's just that this isn't okay.
You know, I want to kind of put a face on what I'm talking about.
A lot of the work that my nonprofit is doing right now is in Cancer Alley, Louisiana.
That's the stretch of the Mississippi River from Baton Rouge to New Orleans.
It's about 85 miles of around 200 chemical factories.
So, when we say, let me just give you an example of how insidious this is and how bad it is.
Say you want to buy a, say you're shopping for a wetsuit, right?
Or a jump rope or something.
You know what that's made from?
It's made from neoprene, right?
Most wetsuits still are made from neoprene.
The handle in your jump rope might be made from neoprene.
Well, I was just down in Reserve, Louisiana, at the Fifth Ward Elementary School, and there's about 400 kids and staff there through fourth grade.
The school is right next to the Danka plastic plant, which is emitting a chemical called chloroprene at levels up to 70 times above what the EPA allows.
These kids are breathing it every day.
The teachers are breathing it every day.
Oroprene causes cancer.
So, you know, when I go shopping now, I try to avoid neoprene.
In this case, because I really have a lot of friends in reserve, Louisiana, and I know they're getting hurt by my shopping decisions.
So, I'm really trying to put a face on the damage we're doing to kids.
That area of Louisiana, by the way, has among the highest cancer rates in the country.
Yes.
Yes, and I should also point out your book, Raising Healthy Kids, which is coming out.
It looks like the official published date is March 5th, but I guess people can pre-order it right now on Amazon or other booksellers.
But kids, especially because they're in the developmental stages, they are highly, highly susceptible to exposure to these toxins where the brains are developing, hormones are developing, body organs and tissues are being created.
And the disruptive capabilities of even small exposures is magnified in children, is it not?
It is, and particularly during pregnancy.
That's why in Raising Healthy Kids I talk a lot about what to do during pregnancy, what chemicals to avoid.
You know, you go to the doctor as a couple who are pregnant, and the physician will tell you, well, get enough folic acid, don't smoke, don't drink.
But they don't tell you that that Johnson's baby shampoo that you're using is riddled with phthalates.
And they don't tell you that the hairspray you're using has phthalates.
And that if you continue using these during pregnancy, you're going to affect your child's mental abilities.
Maybe they will lose a point or two off their IQ. But you know, I've just been helping my kids get through college apps.
And a point or two of IQ is a big deal.
And when we spread it across the nation, you wonder why there's so much societal dysfunction and everyone's looking at the symptoms.
But Mike, I really believe that if we take a deeper biological look, we'll see a lot of the societal dysfunction is because kids' brains have been damaged and they're not as able to reason and deal with factual life because they don't have the case.
You just nailed it.
Yeah.
I think that we are living in a poisoned world.
And as you just said, I believe as a food scientist myself, you know, I've developed methods for quantitation of herbicides, for example, glyphosate in our lab and so on.
I believe that these exposures, not just herbicides, but the other toxins in food and personal care products, I believe they lead to violent behavior.
They lead to more criminal type of violence.
They lead to infertility.
They lead to an inhibition of social developmental skills because of the neurological interference.
And so our kids are growing up less able to get along with other kids, more prone to violence, more prone to emotional outbursts.
Does this resonate with some of your own research?
Oh, it's definitely.
You know, we...
The more kids that are given good food, toxin reduction during pregnancy, the better society we'll get.
And it's – we both agree on that.
We're just – But people really haven't begun to see that.
That's why we don't have zero tolerance.
You know, we allow so many different chemicals.
You know, back to Cancer Alley, the folks there are drinking water with hexachlorocyclopentagene, atrazine, simazine, benzene, phallic.
It's in their drinking water.
Wow.
So, you know, you can't do that to kids.
They're going to get sick.
I mean, I interviewed people there, you know, whose children were born with cancer.
Listen, in the book, I interview people whose children went to daycare and they didn't know their daycare center water was contaminated with chemicals called PFAS, poly and perfluoroalkyl substances.
Those are the chemicals 3M invented for stain-resistant water repellent firefighting.
And they have their uses, but they're extremely toxic and they're showing up everywhere in the drinking water.
So, you know, in the book, I share stories about parents who didn't check their preschool drinking water and their kids got poisoned with PFAS. What are you going to tell a kid with a hundred parts per trillion of PFAS in their blood and they're two years old and they've already got immune disease or kidney disease?
Well, yeah, and it's shocking to me that anybody would drink tap water, but people do.
People do because there's not a strong national message that, hey, you should never drink just straight municipal water.
I mean, I can't even imagine that.
But to the average person, they're told, oh, it's perfectly safe.
And why is it safe?
Because we dumped all these extra chemicals in it to kill the microbiology.
That's pretty much what water treatment is.
It's just, let's just blast it.
Let's nuke it with chlorine and whatever.
Let's kill the microbiology.
Now it's safe.
But it's not, because they don't look at all these other things that are in the water.
They're not even testing for most of them.
You know, one of the things I tell folks, because I wrote Raising Healthy Kids for anyone who's on a budget, because I'm an activist, I'm always on a budget.
And I pointed out to folks, you can filter your water.
You don't need to test.
And let me tell you why I'm saying that.
We know, like you said, Mike, the water is at least going to be contaminated with disinfectant byproducts that cause cancer.
Those are the trihalomethases.
The chloramines and so on, yeah.
Yes, and those cause cancer.
And it's very well documented that they cause bladder and other cancers.
But if you have...
You can buy a faucet filter that will remove about 80 to 95% of contaminants for about $25.
You can buy a filter pitcher like Zero Water that you can pour your water through again and again remove a lot of the contaminants.
And you can do this for less than $50.
Now, if you're rich, you can go buy a $300 reverse osmosis system for under your sink, which is great and an even better way of removing them.
But the point we have to Teach and share with people is that you do need to filter your water.
You can't be naive and just trust that what's coming out of there is from the Garden of Eden.
Because as you point out, it's got disinfectant byproducts.
And as I pointed out, in many areas of the country, especially the Midwest, with the surface water from the Ohio and the Mississippi, atrazine, simazine, And so many other chemicals that are measured and that we've discovered in the drinking water through public source.
Oh, yeah.
Years ago, we put out the call for people to send us water samples from all across the country.
And I think we got 600 water samples and we ran, I don't know, I don't recall the exact number, but it was in the hundreds.
We ran that all through ICP-MS and I think we did some time-of-flight mass spec analysis on that.
And what we found was just mind-blowing.
Mind-blowing.
And that's why, to this day, I drink nothing but rainwater in a...
This is a stainless steel bottle.
Rainwater in stainless steel.
I don't drink out of plastic.
Even my smoothie, it's in glass, folks.
There's a reason it's in glass.
And I don't drink well water because well water is crazy polluted.
And I've heard people who live on farms are like, oh, I don't drink city water.
I drink well water.
Do you have any idea what's in well water?
It's every agricultural runoff chemical goes into the water table.
That's what's in your well water plus maybe arsenic on top of that too.
Some of these other metals or elements that leach in.
You might have lead in there.
Who knows?
Maybe crazy high iron.
Who knows?
But rainwater is the only water, or I would say heavily filtered water, is the only water that's safe to drink.
And you mentioned Zero Water.
That's a water filter company.
Every time we've tested water filters, and we've done several tests, Zero Water has every time proven to remove nearly 100% of the contaminants.
So they're doing a great job.
You know, one of the things we did in Reserve, or actually this was in St.
James, another city in Cancer Alley, is we brought them zero water pitchers to use because the first rule of being an activist is you have to be healthy.
It takes a lot of energy.
You're always fighting.
You have to have a lot of hope.
And these things really do require you to be healthy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We made sure that in the community we had left a number of pitcher filters.
And then I mentioned the Fifth Ward Elementary School.
We are shipping air filters down for every classroom.
Those will be there in the next month.
Nice.
So where are you getting the funding for donating filters?
I'm curious.
So this is a project with...
A really good cleaning company called Ecos.
Do you know Earth Friendly Products?
Oh, yeah.
Ecos, they make, like, fragrance-free laundry detergent, things like that, right?
Yeah, they're the leading green cleaning company.
Yeah.
I've recommended their detergent to a lot of people.
Yeah.
And they're...
It's virtually all plant-based.
It's a really good brand.
And ECOS is contributing, is helping with the funding for the air filters, plus contributing cleaning products to the school so that they can have cleaner indoor air.
We hope to put on, in for Earth Day, a green cleaning symposium at the school for the kids.
So they can go home and educate their parents and say, hey, mom and dad, we could be doing a better job at home and I'd be healthier and smarter.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Well, David, let me ask you this since you mentioned ECOS. And this is not an exaggeration.
There have been many times over the years where I have smelled someone's laundry detergent.
And, you know, they're using Tide or whatever, you know, off-the-shelf garbage to wash their clothes, and they're using dryer sheets, which are filled with all these incredible cancer-causing toxins, and I can smell it on them.
And I don't do this at social events, but maybe in a work environment or something, I would say, look, you need to just go buy some Ecos laundry detergent that's completely fragrance-free.
Stop soaking your clothes in toxic chemicals in your washing machine.
You need to get rid of that.
Go buy Ecos.
And usually people are taken aback by that.
They're like, you can smell my detergent?
Oh yeah, I can smell your detergent 20 feet away.
I know you're even in the building before I even see you.
I can smell it because you're like a walking bomb of toxic fragrance chemicals, right?
I'm pretty blunt about it.
It's a way to win friends and influence people, yeah.
But...
Do you find this as well?
I mean, talk about laundry.
That's another vector of toxic exposure.
I have a really good story.
We have a whole chapter called Homesick and Raising Healthy Kids.
And to do this chapter, I interviewed teenagers from the Shamacos Project in Salinas, California.
This is a really interesting joint project between UC Berkeley and the teenagers of Salinas, California, which has been one of the most pesticide inundated cities in the country.
But a group of teenagers did a study there with persons who cleaned homes, and they put backpacks on the people and measured the amount of toxins that they were being exposed to from the cleaning products, and they were really high.
Then they gave them non-toxic cleaning products, and the amount of exposure to the cleaning people themselves went way down.
Now, most of the people there that they studied were Latinx, and one of the kids in the study told me, you know, one of the things in our culture is that we think clean smells like fabuloso.
Ha, ha, ha, ha.
Right.
That's true.
And I live in South America, and I know that laundry and cleaning products in most of Latino culture is supposed to smell like very strong fragrance.
Yeah.
And so the teens are teaching their moms and dads themselves about, hey, mom and dad, we don't need to nuke the home because I have asthma and I want to be healthy.
So the kids are taking their moms and dads shopping for green cleaning products.
The interesting thing about this project is that it has spread throughout Salinas, and Salinas is a town that shows us when we make changes in our Shopping habits, they have profound effects.
Let me just tell you one little more story about Salinas.
I used to go there in the 90s and early 2000s, and the schools there are carved out of the farm fields.
They grow lettuce and strawberries and other fruits and vegetables.
It's called the salad bowl of America.
The fields were being sprayed with diazinon, chlorpyriferos, and other really toxic pesticides right by the schools.
I went back to Salinas during the pandemic when I was writing Raising Healthy Kids, and I went to the same schools.
And it was a miracle.
They were all surrounded by organic strawberry and lettuce fields.
The kids were playing in such a much safer environment.
And I called one of the teachers, whom I know, and he said, well, you know, the reason why this is happening is because of people like you, David, who are buying all those organic strawberries and all that organic lettuce and other foods.
You're motivating the farmers here to plant their fields with more organic crops.
And as a result, the kids in the schools are also getting the benefit because they're no longer being exposed on a Regular basis to the organophosphates that would otherwise be sprayed on the field.
That's right.
And I was really emotionally charged by that, Mike.
I stayed there for a while and just cried a little bit because, you know, for years, people like you and me, you know, we've been buying the organic strawberries and the lettuce, and people have been telling us we're dumb, we're fools, we're paying too much for our food.
But we were doing it for just this very reason.
I had never seen the faces of the kids that I was helping, but being in Salinas and seeing how the fields had changed around the schools, I did see the faces of the kids we were helping.
You make a really great point.
Thank you for sharing that.
And it's not only about what we are exposed to as the end consumer.
It's about upstream.
It's about what goes into the farm fields and what goes into the air there, what goes into the streams, obviously.
And pesticide and herbicide runoff is extremely toxic.
That's why we have dead zones in the oceans.
And it's astonishing to me.
I've said before, David, but hold on.
I want to show your website.
HealthyLivingMagazine.us is also your publication?
Correct.
Yeah.
And then your main website again, DavidWilliamSteinman.com.
Dot com.
Dot com.
Okay, great.
I've said before that the human race is the only species on planet Earth that deliberately poisons the food for its offspring.
I can find no other example of that.
And I'm a strong observer of nature.
I live closer to nature.
I live out in the country and observe animals, all kinds of life.
Nobody poisons their children except human beings at the grocery store and in the laundry aisle and the personal care aisle and the deodorants and the shampoos and all that garbage.
How can we humans be so foolish to keep doing this?
How can we as humans be so foolish just to keep doing that?
Is that a rhetorical question?
Well, no.
No, it's a serious question.
And we're supposed to be smarter than all the animals on planet Earth, but yet I have field mice that have better health habits than the typical consumer at the grocery store.
I think people are largely uneducated about the topic.
You know, our movement, Mike, the antitoxic movement, is probably the youngest environmental movement in the world.
We only began in the 60s with Rachel Carson's book.
We didn't even have the vocabulary to be antitoxic.
Who had ever spoken about a part per million, part per billion, much less a part per trillion, or an environmental impact report?
Or heard names like Chlordane, Dildrin, Heptichlor.
This is all a new vocabulary.
True.
So when you ask how could we allow this, we didn't even have the words to describe it until the 60s.
So in some ways, our movement has made huge progress in the last, you know, it's 50 years old.
It's just starting.
Well, yeah, but David, I mean, Silent Spring...
When she wrote that, the media was open to talking about toxins in the environment.
Today, I would argue the corporate media is all in bed with the chemical manufacturers.
The media, they attack the things that you and I are saying.
The media is out there saying, oh, you can eat unlimited amounts of organophosphates or glyphosate.
It's all perfectly safe.
See, this paper says so.
You know, Rachel had a much more open-minded audience at the time that her book came out.
Don't you think?
No, I respectfully disagree.
I think that the media...
of what's going on.
And I think that's really bad.
For example, when they talk about endocrine disruptors, they'll go right into gender.
You know, they'll go right in from endocrine disruption to fish and drag or blurred sexual organs, which is all important.
But the implication there is that gender deviance from the, you know, norm from the, you know, what used to be is somehow weird or bad Robert F. Kennedy does that, you know?
When he talks about atrazine, he talks about sex change and stuff.
And these are effects, but they're not the ones that we need so much to be...
The ones that we should be focused on are cancer...
And infertility.
Infertility and the fate of our planet.
So I think that there's a lot of sensationalism.
I think the media is...
Like, I get a lot of my news from The Guardian, the UK publication.
Yeah.
So I think there's a good job of coverage.
Oh, well, that's good to hear.
Yeah, I think the New York Times has been a little bit behind...
They finally got around this last year to saying that PFAS, those forever chemicals, are everywhere.
But they don't really go into the whole intersection.
You know, what we need to explain to people and what we're trying to do now, for example, in Cancer Alley with a publication we're doing there, is point out that those Chemicals like phthalates that you're buying in your Johnson's baby products, though they claim there are none, we've discovered them in those products, and filed litigation.
But what we're trying to point out is that these chemicals that you're buying are not only harming you, your health, but they're also causing hastening global boiling.
So I went down to the southern...
Edge of Louisiana, as we've been talking about, Cancer Alley, down past Huma.
And you can go there, and we're losing parts of the United States now to sea rise.
I visited an island called Isle de Jean Charles that used to be 32,000 acres, and now it's about 300.
Or 22,000 acres.
Many thousands of acres.
And now it's just a few hundred because of sea rise.
This is happening in America.
And this is being caused because of all the chemicals we're using that are being manufactured at places like Cancer Alley or in, you know, Houston and Beaumont, Texas.
Wait, you're saying sea rise is caused by these industrial chemicals?
What are you saying?
Yeah, well, with global warming...
These are the chemicals of global warming.
These are chemicals that are emitting CO2 emissions, emitting CO2, and consequently hastening global warming, which is causing sea rise throughout the world, and we're seeing it here in Louisiana.
You go down to southern Louisiana to Huma there, and some of the islands that were there, as I mentioned, Well, you and I would definitely differ on this particular topic, which is fine because I love higher CO2 for the photosynthesis and the forests and the plants that use it, but...
That's not the focus of our conversation.
You and I might differ on that, but where we absolutely agree is that these toxic chemicals are harming not only human life, but also ecosystems.
They're harming animal life, and they are causing long-term transgenerational effects for the human race.
So, in fact, I want to ask you this about...
Someone, a child born today, may have difficulty conceiving because of her mother's exposure to these chemicals during gestation, but many of these effects are known to persist for multiple generations.
So aren't we looking at an even worse situation three or four generations down the road if we don't stop this exposure?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I agree with you 100%.
Our kids today are among the first generations to have their genetics completely chemically modified.
Yeah.
Whoa.
What's going on?
What is that, guys?
Wow, that was like a bonus special effect right there.
Keep recording.
What was that?
Okay.
You never know.
Every single day there's a surprise.
I thought we were all getting exposed to toxins there for a moment, and we were hallucinating.
But no, it was just Skype.
All right, see if we can get him back, but keep rolling.
So, folks, this is a fascinating conversation.
We're going to see if we can get David back.
I don't know why that disconnect happened.
But even though, as you just heard, David and I probably disagree about carbon dioxide and carbon dioxide, The whole global warming issue, we strongly agree on the role of these toxins, harming human beings, destroying children, destroying fertility, and causing cancer, causing ecological destruction.
And many of these chemicals, which we didn't really get to this, they're incredibly persistent in the environment.
Some of them that he mentioned are called, for example, forever chemicals, because they stick around essentially forever.
They're almost impossible to destroy.
Unless you subject them to very high heat.
And so these are not natural chemicals.
These are synthetic.
These are things that humans were never exposed to until, let's say the last, I don't know, 75 years, I guess depending on the chemical.
Some are more recent than that.
So the human body doesn't know how to handle these.
It can't process them.
It doesn't know how to detox.
And that's why I believe that avoiding exposure is absolutely critical to being able to navigate and survive this era of incredible contamination.
And that's where David's book, I think, can be very valuable, Raising Healthy Kids, Protecting Your Children from Hidden Chemical Toxins Every Day.
Okay, David, I think we have you back.
I'm not sure if we have your video yet, but I think it's coming in.
Yeah, welcome back.
There we go.
You're back.
I got those gremlins.
Okay.
Yeah.
That was the most entertaining and fascinating disconnect that we've ever seen on this show.
We got some interesting hallucinogenic patterns that actually happened as you were being disconnected.
Oh, how interesting.
I would have liked to have seen those.
But the kids today are genetically, chemically altered.
You know, My father was born prior to World War II. So his genes that I inherited were completely different.
That's right.
And what my kids are getting from me being born well after World War II, when I've been very exposed, and my kids' kids will have even more genetically modified genes.
And I guess what we mean by that is the expression changes.
The body may produce a little more estrogen because of the past generational exposures, for example, or may not utilize testosterone as efficiently as needed.
Yeah, absolutely.
And genetic integrity for the next generation.
So we would expect to see more deformities, developmental deformities in children, as well as inherited infertility problems because of...
Well, I mean, there's also epigenetics on top of just straight genetic alterations and chromosomal alterations.
There's epigenetics that, frankly, modern scientists don't fully understand.
I think, you know, we talk about kids and raising healthy kids, but one of the points to keep in mind is that we adults also need to take care of our health.
And you were mentioning epigenetics, and we develop in the context of an environment, sexually, gender-wise, all of that is within inputs from the environment.
And The difference today, though, is that never before has the body been exposed to so many synthetic toxins.
So even adults are being exposed, and we need to take care of our health in order to take care of our kids.
So part of raising healthy kids is also about what you need to do as a parent and how to be an example to them, to your own kids, in what you do.
That's right.
Well said.
Yeah, exactly.
And this is, you know, we don't see any advocacy by our federal government in teaching people how to avoid toxic exposure, like zero.
You know, where's the Surgeon General on this?
Why isn't the surgeon general who's supposed to be commenting on public health saying, hey, by the way, especially if you're pregnant, I mean, you already know maybe don't drink alcohol and don't eat fish with mercury in it, but what about all these other toxins that affect neurodevelopmental processes?
There's no messaging from so-called authorities, not from the FDA, not from the CDC, not from the NIH, nothing.
Oh, you know, early on in this conversation of ours, we talked about when you're pregnant and you go to the doctor's office, they tell you not to smoke, take your folic acid, you know, don't drink.
But you're right, they never mention chemical toxins.
And in fact, you know, it's like when you want, so many couples I interviewed were having difficulty with pregnancy, just getting pregnant.
And I interviewed a number of hairdressers.
And what I learned was during the pandemic, when most of them were out of work, there was a big baby boom.
And the reason why there was a big baby boom, and one of the hairdressers told me this, frankly, is because we're not being exposed to all the chemical toxins in these products anymore.
That's true.
So we were able to have kids.
But what about mom who is pregnant now?
Who is getting her hair done or putting on the fragrance.
Those phthalates are going right to the baby.
And that's nanoplastic going into your baby's brain.
And the two biggest sexual organs in the human body are the human brain and the genitalia.
And they both need the right dose of sex hormones in order to develop in what we would call a quote, normal, unquote pattern.
And we don't tell parents to cut down on the cosmetics.
To cut down on some of the polluted foods that they're eating and to buy more organic.
But if they did, they would have safer pregnancies, fewer complications.
The kids would be born healthier with less risk of obesity, cancer, and attention deficit disorder.
And this isn't me speaking.
These are the studies, the peer-reviewed studies, telling us that these kinds of simple changes, and you're right, they're not discussed by the doctor.
But if they were, they would bring so many more healthy pregnancies to the forefront.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And here's the other thing.
Let's just talk about economics here for a second, David, because something like 20 to 22%, I think, of our GDP is spent on so-called health care, medical costs, or as I call it, typically sick care, right?
That's extraordinary.
It's one of the highest percentages in the world of any developed nation.
Now, you and I both know this, that if we had good information out there to teach people how to reduce exposure to toxic chemicals in food And home products and personal care products, we could dramatically reduce health care expenditures, not only for the children on things like asthma and allergies and so on, but for adults on things like infertility and cancer.
The payback on this is enormous.
I mean, I can't cite a particular figure, but we could save, I believe as a nation, we could save many tens of billions of dollars every year by not making ourselves sick.
So what's wrong?
Why can't we as a nation...
Just come to our senses and start teaching this.
Well, I guess I know the answer.
Procter& Gamble.
You know, I mean, I know the answer.
But the rhetorical question goes to you.
What do you think?
We need to...
People are not educated.
I find that when...
Again, I'm going to come back to this.
We are a young movement.
Mike, we're a young movement.
Who knows about the anti-toxic movement?
And we're very powerful.
As I said, we've made the markets for organic cosmetics, organic foods.
We've changed this country for the better.
Maybe it's hard not to notice because we're slowing down the damage, you know, we're slowing down the rate of destruction, which is a hard thing to measure.
But we are making a difference.
We just need to be out there educating more people.
It's why I wrote Raising Healthy Kids And I wrote it in a way that anyone could read it and enjoy it and find that the issue is manageable, because it is manageable, but we need to teach.
As you said, there's no education.
But when we do teach, we get the results.
For example, one of the reasons why heart disease rates are going down in America is because of education, not because of bypasses, not because of more cholesterol drugs.
It's going down because people are eating healthier for their heart.
And that's from public education.
So when you suggest that we need to educate folks on toxics, yeah, we should.
And then when you bring up Procter & Gamble, well, you know, heart disease doesn't have all the enemies that healthy living has.
And you're right.
You're right.
You know, in Louisiana, we wanted to talk to folks at this school about the chemical pollution there.
But the chemical plants give money to the schools.
Of course they do.
They fund their extracurricular activities and educational programs.
And so people are scared to talk out because they're afraid they'll be ostracized.
So when you say P&G, there is a Big damper on people feeling like they can speak out, whether in government...
And academia, universities, they take money from the pesticide companies.
I'm sorry to interrupt, but I just want to throw that in there.
Look, we're almost out of time, but I want to make one final point and get your reaction on it.
And folks, the book here is called Raising Healthy Kids, Protecting Your Children from Hidden Chemical Toxins Every Day.
Be sure to get it.
It's coming out March.
You can pre-order it right now online.
But look, this movement, as you call it, the anti-toxin movement, this movement transcends political parties, which...
I find really invigorating because I think it had its foundations more in what we would consider left-wing politics, like pro-environmental, more left-wing politics.
But today...
I mean, conservatives and Christians care as much about healthy eating and even organics.
And maybe I've been part of this push as well, but Alex Jones was saying, you need to get water filters.
And the media attacked Alex Jones for pushing water filters.
They said it was a conspiracy that you needed to filter your water because Alex Jones is pushing a water filter.
I was laughing so hard.
I'm like...
We have really crossed the Rubicon here.
I mean, Alex Jones gets it that you've got to have clean water, and now the media are anti-water filter because they want to attack Alex.
But isn't this a universal thing?
It doesn't matter what your politics are.
We should all want to live in a less toxic world or a toxin-free world, right?
Oh, Mike, thank you.
You know, I don't want to get...
There's no politics in this.
It's pure health.
You and I know that.
It's pure health.
And there's not that many people who are able to talk about it and communicate it.
You do it.
You've been doing it for years.
I've been doing it for years.
But I want to say with hope, because that's what motivates us, we are making a difference.
Just look at the markets that we've created.
The fact that the average shopper can buy organic foods now for about the same price as conventionally sourced.
Didn't happen by chance.
It happened because you and I spoke out.
We put our money where our mouths are.
We bought the foods.
People called us, you know, fools.
They said there was no difference.
There is.
And so I'm filled with hope, but...
We have to keep getting out there and spreading our message.
Yes, yes.
You know what else is amazing?
First of all, I just want to thank you, David, for taking the time with me today.
This has really been fascinating.
We'll have to do this again.
We are also seeing the decentralization of the ability to do laboratory testing.
Even my lab is an example of this.
We do mass spec testing.
I've got a GC triple quad that's just come online.
We're going to be testing for dioxins.
Real soon here, I'm actually getting trained on that instrument coming up.
Imagine, dioxin testing in the hands of independent laboratories, which years ago, that was unthinkable.
You would have had to go to a mainstream lab or a university, and there are some things they would just say, no, we don't want to be part of this testing because it's too sensitive, or we don't want to ruffle any feathers.
Well, now...
Because a lot of this equipment is becoming more affordable.
It's smaller scale.
You can fit a triple quad mass spec in, well, something like this now.
And it means that more and more people are going to have access to this.
So I think the truth is going to continue to come out.
We're going to keep talking about it, you and I. And our movement is growing.
Like you said, it's not political.
It's just about having healthy babies, raising healthy kids, and just helping them to be smart enough to cope in today's complex world.
I just consider this to be part of the pro-human movement.
We love humanity.
We want people to be well, healthy, purposeful in their lives, to live without pain and suffering, to live in a way that they can pass on a better world to their children.
I mean that's it.
That's the pro-human movement.
Oh, yeah.
And, you know, like I said in the beginning of the show, for years I've read your articles.
I know all the hard work you have done to spread that message.
Absolutely.
You've been writing, and I've, you know, picked them up, and I'm just so happy to have met you here because you're another fellow anti-toxic.
And, you know, our movement is very powerful.
It's at an intersection for environmental justice, climate change, It's just where everything comes together because what you buy personally does have a ripple effect.
And I hope in this show, by sharing my stories about Louisiana and Salinas, California, that I put some faces on the people that your smart shopping decisions are helping.
I know these folks.
They're so cool.
I mean, I go down to Louisiana.
I play guitar with one of my friends who lives in reserve.
You know, I drink tea with another friend or I'm in Salinas talking to the teenagers or meeting with the teachers.
These are just our fellow citizens.
And our shopping choices not only help us But they're helping them, too.
And they appreciate it.
They know it.
Absolutely.
Well said.
All right, David, we're going to have to end it there, but I hope we get a chance to talk again soon because we have so much to share with people and we can help spread knowledge that makes a positive difference in people's lives.
Thank you so much, David.
It's been a pleasure to speak with you today.
Oh, let's do it again.
Thank you, Mike.
We shall.
We'll do it again soon.
I'll have my producer reach out to you.
Thank you so much.
The book, folks, again, is Raising Healthy Kids.
Again, that's available at booksellers everywhere.
Also, a previous book from David is Diet for a Poisoned Planet.
And then his publication website is healthylivingmagazine.us.
Right there.
Avail yourself of his information.
And thank you for watching today.
I'm Mike Adams, the Health Ranger here.
Brighteon.com, the uncensored platform so we can have these conversations without censorship.
And thank you for your support.
Take care, everybody.
Talk again soon.
Well, as you can see, folks, we're headed into some very difficult times.
And it's critical that we have the backup supplies that we need in order to make it through, navigate what's coming.
And I'm really proud to be able to partner with suppliers of certain types of products and solutions that are sponsors or affiliates of ours.
And I want to make you aware of one now, in case you don't already know, this company called Goldbacks.
And this is, oh, there it is in focus.
This is the box that the Goldbacks come in.
And if you open it up, this is a whole stack of goldbacks.
These are the one notes.
They have one one thousandth of a troy ounce of gold embedded into each note.
And it's a beautiful design.
There's what the backs look like, and you're actually looking at the gold, and there's the front design, and they have these for different states.
You can find out more information about these, their utility, their usability, the divisibility, and also the lab testing that we have done on these to verify the gold content and the gold purity.
Just go to verifiedgoldbacks.com.
That's an affiliate site.
We earn a small commission on the sale of these, but it doesn't cost you anything extra, and it helps support our platform.
What I love about these is that even when the grid goes down, you have gold in a form that is instantly spendable.
And these come in different notes.
This is a 1, but they have 5s, 10s, 25s, and 50s.
And, of course, the 50 is 51,000th of a troy ounce of gold.
And that's a much larger bill, and it's very thick, it's pretty heavy, it's pretty dense, because, you know, gold weighs a lot.
So with those bills, you have something that's storable and spendable and that contains real gold.
You don't have to have faith in a government or a fiat currency that they can counterfeit and keep printing endlessly, which is destroying the value of the dollar and the euro and the yen.
With these, they can't be counterfeited because they contain gold.
You would have to somehow counterfeit gold, which is impossible.
If you could counterfeit gold, the government would be doing it already.
I mean, they just can't create gold out of nothing.
I'm sure they've tried, but it's impossible to do that because of the laws of physics.
Gold is an element on the table of elements.
So these will maintain value and scarcity because they contain the physical element gold.
These are higher price per ounce than just a gold coin.
You know, a gold coin, one ounce gold, costs a certain amount, I don't know, $2,100 or $2,200, whatever it is right now.
Goldbacks have a premium over the price of gold because of the format that it's in.
It costs money to print this, to create this, the polymers, the designs.
And...
The utility of this is, in my mind, far more useful than just raw gold itself.
I mean, gold is great when you want to make large purchases.
You know, if you're in an off-grid situation and you want to buy somebody's farm or vehicle or business or something, you could do that in gold coins.
But you can't take a gold coin to the farmer's market And easily say, I want to buy a loaf of bread or a dozen eggs or a pound of beef or whatever.
How are you going to make change for an ounce of gold that's worth a couple of grand?
Well, the answer is here.
Goldbacks.
This goldback right now is recognized as being worth a little bit more than $4.
The amount of gold in it on a per ounce basis is a little bit over $2 of gold.
And even if you melt it down, you can extract the gold and get the $2 of gold out.
But as an intact goldback, it's recognized, and you can see that at the goldback website, as having over $4 value.
And many merchants accept these at that value, including, you'll find out if you go to your farmer's market and talk about these, you'll find that more and more people are willing to accept these because of the intrinsic value they have, because of the gold they contain.
Whereas it would be difficult for those people to accept a gold coin or even silver.
A one-ounce silver coin might be too much.
What is that, $35 or whatever the price is currently?
Where this is more divisible at about $4.
So check these out at verifiedgoldbacks.com.
I've been giving these away like crazy to people...
Everywhere.
I've been giving them to waiters and waitresses.
I've been giving them to friends and family members.
I gave them as Christmas gifts at Thanksgiving get-together last year.
Everybody loves these.
They go crazy over them because they're beautiful and they're pieces of art.
And people recognize the intrinsic value of these.
And frankly, they don't want to spend them.
They don't want to give them away.
They want to hold on to them because they're really, really beautiful and really durable as well.
We had to melt these at, I think it was over 1,100 Celsius in order to melt the gold out of them and burn off the polymers, by the way.
It was not easy to destroy them.
I destroyed easily over $1,000 worth of these in doing the lab testing, by the way.
And the lab testing results are posted on the website, verifiedgoldbacks.com.
So if you want to get a whole stack of these, I think this stack is...
I think it's 100 units.
So just order 100 ones at a time if you wish, or you can order a smaller volume if you just want to check them out.
And you can get 5s, 10s, 25s, and 50s.
And just consider this as part of your preparedness.
It's got a completely different function and role compared to whole gold coins or silver coins or crypto, for that matter, or land or ammunition.
I mean, this is very liquid.
It's very divisible.
It has high utility, high recognizability, and high beauty factors that makes people really want to have these.
So goldbacks, I think, should be part of our answer for preparing for unknown events.
Well, they can't digitally steal this.
You have custody.
You have it in your possession.
You have it in your home or your safe or wherever you keep it, your super secret underground bunker location, whatever.
It's going to be very difficult for any government or any corporation or any bank to just take it from you because it's under your control.
It's in your possession.
And that's why having physical goldbacks is such a good strategy, I believe.
Now, as a disclaimer, I'm not your financial advisor, obviously.
There's risk in, I guess, any vehicle.
Asset prices can go up or down depending on what happens.
I would say that gold is going to go down if the world finds peace.
Like, if all the wars end tomorrow and everything's cool in the Middle East and everything's great in Ukraine...
And there's no more strife in the world, then gold will go down.
So if you think that peace will break out tomorrow, don't buy gold.
That's for sure.
If more wars happen and oil prices go up and there are energy supply problems and more bombings of ships in the Red Sea, you know, and drone strikes from Yemen and things like that, you would tend to think that gold's going to go up compared to dollars.
But I don't encourage speculation.
Information about assets that I believe will hold value and not lose value.
I'm not even trying to gain any value.
I'm just trying to not lose value.
That's where goldbacks really play a role.
And also gold and silver coins for that matter.
Gold and silver will tend to hold value as they have for generations.
And I believe that these will also hold value too because they contain physical gold at very precise amounts.
So check it all out.
At verifiedgoldbacks.com, I'm Mike Adams, brighteon.com, naturalnews.com.
I'm a big fan of Goldbacks, and it was Robert Scott Bell that gave me one of these one time at an event with, well, we were part of a movie that was being filmed, and By Dr.
Andrew Wakefield.
So that's where I got the first gold back.
And now I'm helping thousands of people get turned on to these as well.
So thank you, Robert Scott Bell.
I didn't know about these until you gave me one.
Now I'm handing them out everywhere too.
So pay it forward, folks.
Thanks for watching.
God bless you all.
Take care.
A global reset is coming.
And that's why I've recorded a new nine-hour audiobook.
It's called The Global Reset Survival Guide.
You can download it for free by subscribing to the naturalnews.com email newsletter, which is also free.
I'll describe how the monetary system fails.
I also cover emergency medicine and first aid and what to buy to help you avoid infections.
So download this guide.
It's free.
▲
Export Selection