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Jan. 26, 2024 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon, and today we are joined by a returning guest, Tony Schaefer with ProjectSentinel.com.
Mr.
Schaefer, it's an honor to have you back on today, sir.
You're doing incredible work.
Welcome back to the program.
Mike, thank you for this opportunity.
I appreciate the feedback, and I enjoyed our conversation last time, so I'm sure it'll be fun again this time.
Well, you know, people kept telling me that you're the kind of guy we really need Like, running the DOD, you know?
I mean, you know, people want you in positions of power and influence in our government.
You just have a, you got a solid head on your shoulders, a good experience and common sense about what needs to be done.
Thank you.
Look, I've advised some of those folks.
I mean, I worked with Lloyd Austin when he was in Afghanistan as a Brigadier General.
I worked, I was his clandestine guy.
I advised chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Joe Dunford.
As a matter of fact, I'd recommended to President Trump that he retain Joe Dunford as chairman because Obama, believe it or not, had picked Joe Dunford, not Biden.
And so I am very proud of that.
And I advised Mike Pompeo when he was director of CIA. So I appreciate being able to advise folks.
Those folks listen.
Others don't.
So my big issue, Mike, is First off, if you're going to ask me a question, you need to pay attention to my answer because I'm not giving it to you because I want to blow smoke and be your friend.
It's like, no, I have enough friends, thanks.
And secondly, if I'm asked to do something, I'm going to do it.
And give me the charter, but also give me the top cover to give me political ability to get it done and enough resources to accomplish it.
And I'll do it.
And I think that's what scares a lot of folks because Trump I appreciate your confidence.
I appreciate your audience feedback.
But I can tell you the permanent bureaucracy doesn't like people like me because we represent change, and they don't like change.
Well, that's exactly right.
And since we spoke last, of course, we've had the Iowa caucus and the New Hampshire caucus, Trump victorious in both.
We had DeSantis drop out, Vivek Ramaswamy drop out.
Nikki Haley is done, as far as I can tell.
So Trump is the nominee.
That's great news, I think, for America.
We're seeing a lot of people rallying around Trump.
And now the Democrats are absolutely terrified at this point.
What do you think their play is going to be?
Well, first off, they're going to continue to use Nikki Haley as a spoiler.
Let's be honest here.
I've been watching the coverage of that.
Like, are you a Republican?
No, I'm a Democrat, but I voted for her.
Oh, yeah.
So it's like, okay, there's a clue.
You know, we intelligence officers call those indicators.
Like, that's an indicator that that's not really someone who's going to be representing the conservative interests that I think need to be exemplified in the coming administration.
So that's a thing.
So I think she's going to continue to be funded heavily by the left and the Never Trumpers.
And Mike, what I find shameful, and look, I deal with folks on the left who are traditional lefties.
That is to say they believe in free speech.
They believe in rule of law.
They're appalled by the left basically doing everything they can to upend, break rules, and not live up to the basic principles of the republic, let alone the idea that the Democrats, Republicans need to find a path forward.
What he is, a mono party, because, again, I have friends who are Green Party folks who they don't like Trump necessarily, but they hate what he's being put through and recognize how dangerous that is to try to keep another party's candidate from being able to run.
And so it's a dangerous time, and those interests in the middle – by the way, the same interests who tried to bribe Kerry Lake.
I thought that was great.
People in Washington don't want you to run.
It's kind of like...
Dude, yeah.
It's kind of obvious that there's a lot of people, and I think a lot of this money is coming from Soros on the left.
Trying to fund and maintain all of these things which essentially are trying to prevent Trump from becoming president again.
Well, and it's interesting because for every one Carrie Lake type of person who says, you can't buy me off for even a billion dollars, who knows how many people took the money and we never heard about it.
Exactly.
Exactly.
This is not a rarity, Mike.
I think this happens far more than people want to acknowledge.
I think that's one of the things people are most frightened about.
No question about it.
But, you know, if anything, this really cements Carrie Lake's credibility and dedication to her mission.
And I know she's focused on the Arizona Senate campaign, I believe, but she sure would make a great vice president pick for Trump.
I'm just throwing that out there.
So I think Trump has got Dr.
Ben Carson in mind.
I think he's looking at a few other folks.
I know Ben.
I mean, my vote would be for Ben.
I think Ben has got...
I don't take this as an insult to President Trump, but I think Ben would be a good kind of counterbalance to his high energies, like someone who can be a bit more focused on policy and a good wingman.
I don't think...
He's had the best wingman, that is Trump.
So I think Ben Carson, having been in the last administration, and I know Ben, I think he'd be a good guy to help really work on the deeper policy issues that need to be examined.
And with this said, Carrie Lake's great too.
I think that she's a firecracker, someone who would actually also bring change.
And I think it's why they want her out, that they know, Mike, that she would not be a wilting lily.
She wouldn't just show up and get a nice office and be quiet.
So I think it frightens them.
Well, if we could get Kerry Lake into the Senate, that would be a game changer.
And also, I don't know if you know Jonathan E. Moore running for Senate in Virginia.
He's a fantastic patriot, brilliant mind, you know, attorney, fought the FDA and won, and he's running in Virginia as well.
If we could get both of those in the Senate, along with Rand Paul and a few others, wow, things could really change.
Yeah, so Mike, I guess I can say I'd lean libertarian.
I mean, I'm running for a local office.
I'm running for county commissioner here.
And, you know, I told him, it's like, you know, I lean libertarian, right?
I mean, it's like I've never hidden the fact that, you know, I like a lot of things.
And they said, no, no, we feel the same.
It's kind of a Reagan Republican thing and Trump thing.
There's a certain brand of conservatism that I think is much more pragmatic and realistic than the old days.
And as a matter of fact, it's closer to the original principles than a lot of the folks I dealt with growing up.
And I very proudly voted when I turned 18.
I turned 18 in October of 1980.
And I very proudly voted for President Reagan.
And it was completely independent.
It's like my parents weren't political at all.
I just watched the debates.
And somehow, Mike, when Jimmy Carter was asked the question about nuclear proliferation, I'll never forget this.
And he said, well, I turned to my daughter, Amy, and asked her about it.
It's like, what?
Yeah, she's my age, and I don't think I would be able to give good advice on nuclear preparation, so I'm not going to vote for that guy.
Well, Reagan was an excellent choice, and we sure miss Ronald Reagan these days, I'll tell you that.
Let's turn our attention to the flare-up in Texas, where, of course, we have the U.S. Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision essentially declared that Texas must allow an ongoing unlimited invasion of illegals to cross its border and that Texas is not allowed to defend itself.
This violates Article 4, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution, which requires the federal government to literally protect the states from invasion.
I mean, it's right there in the Constitution.
Governor Abbott has invoked that.
I know you have the letter there.
I do.
He says the federal government broke compact with the states.
We now have, I think, six states that have expressed support for Texas.
How do you think this is going to go from here forward?
So...
I appreciate the way you framed it, Mike.
And I think I agree with how you just said it, that essentially that compact between the federal government and the state of Texas or the states in general has been broken.
And by the way, this isn't the first time the Supreme Court's got something wrong.
I mean, they just recently corrected Roe versus Wade after How many years?
30-some years of that bad decision.
So the Supreme Court is not the be-all and end-all of matters of law and the Constitution, obviously.
So in this case, I'm appalled that the Supreme Court – and I was listening to an interview with Greg Abbott where he correctly points out They didn't even issue an opinion.
They just said, yeah, we don't agree with this ruling.
We disagree with the ruling saying that you guys can keep the feds out, but they didn't actually rule on the law or on the Constitution.
So I think Abbott coming back and saying, I'm sorry, dude, the Constitution says X, Y, Z. We're going to live by X, Y, and Z. And I think DeSantis has come online strong, saying he's going to support it.
I think Oklahoma, I think there's several other states that's a pretty good chance to come in.
So there's a set of authorities, Mike, called, I think it's Title 32.
I think it's the laws which govern the National Guard.
And the Democrats in Texas...
You probably saw this.
They're all screaming, oh, President Biden needs to activate the Guard.
It's like, yeah, no, that would create a civil war.
And plus, I think it would be embarrassing because I don't think the Guard would respond to the federal government at this point.
I think the Guard would basically say...
We are members of the Texas Guard.
Our job is to take and fulfill the oath we took to protect the people of Texas.
And so I think it would be embarrassing.
I don't think any Guard units would show up for federal service at this point.
And I think more states need to sign up.
I'd like to see at least 20 states sign up to help Governor Abbott and what he's doing.
Well, I'm really glad to hear you say that, and you bring up an interesting point.
If the federal government under Biden tries to assert federal control over state guard units, and then if that is rejected, it would really expose the weakness of central authority over the states.
I mean, that would backfire in a spectacular fashion.
And yet...
Mr.
Schaefer, we have an administration that is incompetent, that is overconfident in the way that it is waging war against Russia, for example, has made many, many tactical errors and has overstretched its resources to a tremendous degree.
And if it comes to the United States government under Biden and under Lloyd Austin, for example, saying something crazy like, oh, we're going to go to war against Texas, I would be asking, and Iran, and Russia, and China, and Texas?
I mean, how many wars do you think you can fight?
And your comments.
Go ahead.
So, no, this is the thing.
There's an old adage that's not even left or right.
It's like, pick your battles.
Pick your battles.
And they pick poorly.
It's like that scene in Indiana Jones and the last real one with Harrison Ford and they're looking for the goblin.
Oh my goodness, I'm getting old here and I'm forgetting my movies.
Indiana Jones and the...
It's one where they have the knight.
The Temple of Doom?
No, no, no.
The one after that.
I don't know.
The one with Sean Connery.
Sean Connery.
Oh, okay.
And with the knight.
And basically there's a scene in there where this guy picks up what he thinks is Jesus' cup and it's wrong and he drinks from it and he turns into a zombie.
He picked poorly.
Right.
So this administration is one long bad scene of a bad movie because they pick poorly constantly.
Yes.
And, you know, and by the way, a quick side, let me frame my answer to Tony Blinken.
Tony Blinken at the World Economic Forum laid out how we just don't understand how good the Biden administration is doing globally.
Everybody loves us, Mike.
Don't you understand?
And all these countries are looking to us for help.
They're begging us to come in and help them.
That's according to Tony Blanket.
And so we know the reality is opposite.
Nobody wants us to help.
The Ukrainians only want our money, and the advice we've given them have gotten them into the hole they're in.
And it's interesting that this administration Who's supposed to be anti-war and have gotten us on the precipice of multiple wars and engaged in several war where they're working as a proxy and other things, it's completely insane.
And I don't believe it's by accident.
I think that they know what they're doing.
I think they're doing this for purposes of power, that somehow it's the Barron von Munchausen syndrome at the international level.
If you create enough problems, we have to come in and solve them, and we're going to be always there trying to do something and have influence.
So I think it's For purposes of political power, it seems the left wants power for power's sake not to actually do anything positive with it.
And I think that's what we're seeing right now at the international level.
Well, I'm glad you mentioned that because a lot of people are watching this open border invasion.
And they're asking a lot of questions about why could this possibly be going on?
You know, that letter from Governor Abbott or his declaration that he issued said that there have been six million illegals that have crossed into America under the Biden administration.
It doesn't even count what happened also under Trump because he was trying to deal with that, wasn't able to stop it either.
So we're probably talking about more than 10 million illegals here.
Now, and I have other guests and experts who come on here and say, you know, like Michael Yan, for example, who's documenting the invasion camps in Panama, says, you know, maybe one out of 10 of those people are truly enemy combatants, ready to take orders, ready to carry out sabotage ops domestically.
So, you know, I mean, if we're looking at 10 million people, 10% is obviously a million.
Maybe he's wrong.
Maybe it's 5%.
But that's half a million enemy combatants inside the United States right now.
How can any person in our federal government look at that and say, we need more invasion?
How is that possible?
Well, it's not rational.
It's possible because the progressive left, Mike, have decided as a matter of long-term investment, They want a permanent underclass.
I mean, just recently, that congressman from New York that looks like Jabba the Hutt, what's his name?
He basically said, we need...
I love your movie references, by the way.
I'm terrible with some of these names.
I'm trying to think about who this is.
I'll think of it in a second.
Anyway, so he basically said on the floor of the House, well, if we don't have illegal aliens, who's going to pick our crops?
Now, first off, it's racist for him to say that.
He said it.
And secondly, he doesn't understand modern farming.
Modern farming is high tech.
I live on an active farm.
Here where I live in North Carolina, I am surrounded literally by farmland.
You have people who have to come in to measure the contents of the soil.
You have then people coming in to make sure they get enough nutrients.
And then in the end, after it grows, after you do all the flying the airplanes over to put pesticide on them, you have high-tech equipment with high-tech people who understand how to run it to do the harvesting.
You don't have people out with their hands.
So for that level of detachment to have that level of racism, that's who they are.
And it's all about, in their view, trying to create a permanent underclass that will permanently vote them into power and maintain them.
Remember where these people are going.
They're going to a lot of urban centers.
They're going to places where they want to have more members of Congress who are basically tied to the progressive failed policies, by the way, I might add.
But they're tied to these progressive centers of gravity.
And so that's why they're doing it.
They think that any danger in the short term will be outweighed by the long-term gains of constituency.
That's what's going on.
But how can they be so short-sighted?
Because this is clearly – this is a replacement policy, replacing Americans with people who – they're no longer trying to assimilate into America.
They are trying to overwrite our culture, our societies.
And I lived in South America for two years, by the way.
I was a resident of Ecuador.
And I've toured extensively throughout Central and South America.
I think I know their cultures better than most Americans do.
And there are great people there, absolutely wonderful people, but if you look at the vast majority of those coming from South America, crossing the border illegally, are from Venezuela.
Right.
And they don't understand, nothing against them morally, but they don't understand American culture, they don't understand capitalism, they came out of a communist society, and they expect government handouts, and that's why they want to come here and just get freebies.
Yeah.
So, look, I grew up in Lisbon.
I went to high school in Lisbon, and I love the Portuguese, but I want to be Portuguese.
I love being an American.
Right.
And there's a difference.
So, you know, it's the same in many places.
I think most Americans, if you ask them, and you may laugh at this, I attended the NAACP banquet this last Saturday here.
And I serve the president of the local chapter is also on the social services board, which I'm on.
So it was very...
They love being Americans.
They started off with some gospel songs.
They talked about God and how much they love the country.
And it's kind of like, that's American culture.
And by the way, they recognize that it's being threatened.
They're upset.
They are upset about their own party giving deference to these illegal aliens who don't have our values, who basically are taking resources that they don't get.
We have a very poor community here, and they see all this money going to all these illegal causes.
And by the way, I remind them, it's like, it's your party.
It's your party doing this.
I'm really glad you brought that up, because I completely agree, and I would add to that.
Not only is black America concerned about the illegal immigration policy, but I would say, because I'm in Texas, Hispanic Americans are also just as concerned about illegal immigration.
I know so many Hispanic Americans who are amazing, wonderful Americans, by the way.
And they contribute so much to our society.
Texas wouldn't be Texas without Hispanic Americans being here.
But even they say, we've got to stop the illegal invasion.
We don't want MS-13 gangs overrunning our communities and our churches.
Come on!
I don't know if you knew this.
I supported Sergio de la Pena for governor in Virginia.
He took on Yonkin in the primary.
And Sergio was eight years old when he came over from Mexico.
He worked the fields.
You talk about cotton picking?
He picked cotton.
He hated it.
And he worked his way through the system.
He became a full colonel in the U.S. Army.
And then, on top of that, he did all these great things.
Was the Trump...
He's a proxy for Mexico.
He actually spent time in Mexico during the 2016 run.
And then he became assistant undersecretary for Western Hemisphere in the Pentagon.
And it's like he is one of the most adamant about trying to stop illegal immigration.
He's proud of being American.
He's proud of our nation.
And other people who come here from Latin America, from Mexico, legally agree.
It's like we don't want unmitigated, unrestrained immigration.
And let me say one other thing real quick.
I'm a big fan of New Zealand.
I used to love New Zealand back in the old days.
I spent some time there.
I've worked with their military several times.
If you want to become a New Zealand citizen, They'll take you for two conditions.
First, you have to have a usable skill that they feel would add to their society.
That is to say, you can't just show up and be a guy who basically serves lattes at a Starbucks.
Like, no, dude.
Can you build an airplane?
Can you do something of worth?
And then secondly, you have to have enough money to not go on welfare.
It's like you need to have it.
At the time, I think last time I checked, it was like $100,000.
So you had to sustain yourself at least for a year to get in.
Is that racist?
And they're a pretty lefty country.
No, it's a meritocracy.
At least that policy is based on merit.
Right.
Yeah, but these days, New Zealand has gone so evil, the skills they want are people who can build quarantine camps.
That's right.
Times have changed.
Yeah, times have changed.
But you may not know this about me, but I'm married to an immigrant from Taiwan.
And I had been for over 30 years.
And, you know, look, I got to tell you, the Taiwan people, and I lived in Taiwan also, I mean, I speak a fair amount of Mandarin as well as Espanol and so on.
I'm a pretty international version of America.
But the people of Taiwan are so innovative.
They're so entrepreneurial.
They compete.
They work hard.
I've never seen any culture work harder than the Taiwanese people.
And when they come to America, they make some of the best Americans.
I know people who immigrated from Iraq.
To America, and they are some of the best Americans I've ever met.
And you know why?
Because they know what it's like to live under tyranny or to live in a war zone.
And they came to America for the American dream, and they contributed, and they've become some of the best people I know.
So you just described the true definition of American exceptionalism.
It's not that we're better than everybody else.
You can come here and be American and be the best you can be.
That's exceptional.
That's what's exceptional.
Good point.
And this is where the left always gets it wrong.
Oh, people think we're better.
No, no, no, no, no.
You can come here.
Anybody can come here from anywhere.
And be American and be exceptional.
That's what's exceptional because those other nations you just mentioned, Taiwan's great.
They have opportunity there.
Iraq, you know, not so much probably.
I think there's other nations which do not provide the opportunity and potential gain, potential favorable outcome to these people.
And that's what's so great about America.
By the way, people still want to come here.
People still want to come here.
Well, that's right.
I mean, think about...
Let's say even a Palestinian today.
The Palestinian people as an ethnic group are really bright people.
Yes.
And when given the opportunities of, let's say, a more free nation, they can come to America and they can thrive in America.
And the same thing is true with Lebanese people or Jordanian people.
You know, America, when it provides that opportunity, when we have...
The lack of tyranny, let's say, small limited government, free markets that function, which they're not functioning that well because of government control, but when they do function, like Reagan era, we thrive.
That's all we need is to just let people get back to doing what they want to do in terms of business and productivity, innovation and creativity.
Well, that's a problem.
Many of the nations you mentioned don't have governments which provide that safe space.
Governments tend to interfere.
You mentioned Venezuela.
Venezuelans?
Yeah.
You're not going to get an opportunity there.
Communist China.
So unlike the CCP, PRC, Taiwan actually has a functioning democracy.
People are thriving.
As a matter of fact, they just had the same party, not the same guy, but the same party reelected for the third time.
First time ever in their history, apparently, that the same party won.
And of course, notably, They are anti-CCPRC. They want to be Taiwanese.
They don't want to be Chinese.
No, by the way, a guy named Joe Biden says, well, I don't support Taiwanese democracy.
Imagine that.
Well, he doesn't even support democracy in America.
But let's talk about Taiwan and China for a moment because you mentioned to me earlier you have a new intel report, I believe, of the threat of China.
So what are some of the highlights that come to mind?
I don't think it's new.
It's just I think we continue to try to educate people on the scope of what's going on.
So to your point, Taiwan has done an amazing job of amassing massive amounts of high-tech Basically, they are the foundry of microchips on the planet, bar none.
I mean, you're talking something like 80-plus percent of chips going into cars.
One-third of all high-tech, high-performance chips are coming from Taiwan.
And this is significant, and I think it's great.
It shows the resilience of that democracy.
Democracy.
They are a democracy.
And they continue to thrive, and they don't want...
They don't want socialism.
They don't want communism.
They're pretty happy going in the direction they are, which is great.
I think we should be supportive.
I think we should have formal treaties with them.
That's just my judgment.
It's supporting them.
And so with that said, China said back in November to Joe Biden's face, In California during that summit where they actually took all the homeless folks and PCs off the streets of San Francisco for Z's meeting.
Z said to Biden's face, we're going to take back Taiwan no matter what.
That is a policy statement.
He said it right to Biden's face.
And of course, Biden blew it off.
It's like, oh yeah, whatever.
No, the Chinese are completely serious.
The Chinese have decided, CCP have decided, and they're mostly Han.
Han people think that they're literally the gift of heaven to the world and that they, as a racist, as a racial group, have the right to basically dominate the world.
And I'm not joking about this.
This is their view of the world.
This is what justifies their returning to a nationalistic, aggressive state.
And by the way, the Chinese military is becoming very aggressive.
They're amalgamating and accumulating all sorts of powers and authorities over global economics, global trade, and global production.
Right now, they control something like 80% of lithium production.
80%.
And they process it and make batteries.
And cobalt.
Cobalt is necessary for all lithium.
They control, they virtually control the entire market.
So literally.
And other rare earth metals they control as well.
Some that are critical for military manufacturing and aerospace.
Right.
And so I'm an intelligence officer.
I've literally started warning people on this 10 years ago.
It's like, dude, we're going in a path that's not going to be helpful.
I have sat in the chairman of the joint chief's office and talked about this with the chairman.
And I don't know how...
It's like we've got to recognize that long-term...
Mark Milley, I've talked to Mark Milley about this before he was chairman.
It's like, you know...
And Milley acknowledged that the Chinese and their doctrine have stipulated, even to his face, that they intend to dominate the Pacific Rim.
Then why don't we do anything about it?
This is insanity because we know that they have gained control of these rare earths.
They are gaining control of the entire plethora of batteries necessary for this green economy.
By the way, the whole green economy, I've got a degree in environmental studies.
There's no climate crisis.
All this stuff about OCO2, it's nonsense.
It's all a canard that's designed to repackage socialism for the kids today, for the next generation.
And China knows it.
They know that that's the threat.
And so they're going to be there with all the material necessary for our green economy.
It's literally insane.
At the same time that we recognize this, China's becoming more bellicose.
They state it as a matter of policy.
They're going to take back Taiwan no matter what.
It is what it is.
And somehow nobody wants to acknowledge that the Chinese should be taken at their word and examined as a group of communists who have said, as a matter of policy, we're going to dominate the Pacific Rim to begin with, and we think we're going to go on from there.
What should the U.S. do about that?
But let me provide some background also because, you know, China has suffered a very serious market crash in the last week.
I think they're called snowball derivatives have been collapsing.
They have the, what's it called, the Evergrande property development Ponzi scheme, essentially.
What a train wreck.
Right, right.
Because, you know, China doesn't have really a pension system, so most of its people just invest in real estate and they have entire ghost cities of real estate.
Literally.
Nobody lives there.
It's really incredible.
But China has a lot of weaknesses, financial being one of them.
As you just mentioned, Taiwan, the DPP party just had a major, major victory, even though China tried to interfere in that election.
They did.
The Taiwan people clearly voted for a path to stay independent.
Right.
And Taiwan is its own nation.
It has its own elections, its own currency, its own culture, its own media, its own economy, everything.
By every definition, it is a nation.
In fact, Taiwan has its own borders and the U.S. doesn't.
So, you know, Taiwan actually, by some measure, has better...
I mean, it's an island nation, so of course it's easier to control those borders, but it's got its own borders.
Right.
China is an economic powerhouse, no question about it.
The U.S. dollar is weak, and because of all the money printing, there's the de-dollarization phenomenon, I know you're familiar with it, that's happening around the world, and there's more trade happening in the Chinese Yuan.
What should America do, in your view?
Well, so China, as a matter of policy, is the, I think, fourth, third largest economy They rightly have raised, they say this, it's like we've raised 600 million people out of poverty.
Yeah, they did.
But what a cost.
Because the Chinese don't do it out of altruism.
They do it because they see people as a resource.
And by the way, this is one of the lessons I learned from this thing.
The Chinese, for the most part, have gone from dynasty to dynasty.
The Communist Party is just the latest dynasty.
They like having an authoritarian monarchy that essentially runs everything.
So basically, like many things in life, the current CCP, Xi is the emperor, and he's taken on the trappings of every other emperor in the history of China.
So that's why they feel that they can be nationalistic, and they're very much going to be more aggressive because they feel...
You know, the heavens have smiled on us and we can do this.
And we have all these resources and nobody's challenging us.
So that's the first thing we have to do is challenge us.
Like, no.
We have to create, like we did regarding the Soviet Union and Reagan, a series of credible deterrents.
Let me be very clear on this, Mike.
The best use of military force is not having to use military force.
That is the grand lesson.
And trust me, I've seen this.
I've been mentored by the Reagan folks.
And that was the ultimate lesson of the Cold War.
The best use of military force is not using military force.
It is having it available and using it as a tool.
But the moment you have to use it, you get Ukraine.
Trust me, we don't want to go to war.
But the Chinese are not going to be deterred.
And they believe they can win a war.
So what do you do to deter them?
You create a series of credible events relating to the military.
Right now, because of Joe Biden's ineffective management of the military, there's no confidence in us that we can do anything.
And that's dangerous.
So first off, we have to go back and look at the Cold War and create, like Reagan did, a very credible military that they dare not challenge.
And will it be expensive?
No, no, not really.
I think we waste a lot of money now.
It's just a matter of reprogramming.
I could go into the Pentagon and create a credible deterrent within two years using the current budget, probably less.
I would get rid of a lot of legacy things that we just don't need, just saying.
And then secondly, you have to show the political will that you're going to do something.
Mr.
Gorbachev, tear down this wall.
Basically doing things which are necessary to show political resolve.
Reagan was a master at this.
And, you know, one of the things that really upset the Soviets during the Cold War that made them understand that Reagan was not going to be trifled with is when Reagan fired the air traffic controllers.
Like, oh my God, he did something that no other president would do.
He's serious.
And that scared the bejesus out of the Soviets.
So I'm just saying...
There's ways of dealing with the Chinese, but the way we're doing it now will not have any deterrent effect.
As a matter of fact, the more weakness we show, the more we're likely to have a conflict that we're going to have to fight.
I think we'd win eventually, but let's do the Cold War thing.
Let's win without a war and do it that way.
Well, let's go down this rabbit hole a little bit more because I appreciate what you just said, but I want to query you on this.
I read a report a couple of months ago that said that China's capacity or bandwidth for naval vessel construction is currently, now I almost couldn't believe this number, is currently 200 times larger than the United States.
I mean, it seems impossible to me, but let's just take it on a matter of faith at the moment.
That means that China has the ability to build or repair 200 times the number of naval vessels that we do.
Now, I know it's not apples and apples.
I mean, a Chinese aircraft carrier is not the same as the USS Gerald R. Ford.
Well, they're going in that direction.
They and us are the only ones that have the special rail guns that actually launch aircraft because they stole it from us.
Well, exactly.
And I think there's been a lot of treason of technology transfer to China over the years by certain administrations and people.
But it seems like China would do well to just delay and wait and then outbuild the U.S. Navy.
And another factor, let me mention this before you answer, please.
China has...
Many times greater numbers of graduates in the sciences, including, you know, physics and material science and engineering and so on.
China is currently engineering some of the best drones in the world, some of the best weapon systems, and also AI. So artificial intelligence, China is really very far ahead in that race.
No doubt.
What do you think this means in terms of China's strategy and how can America compete with that if we're not graduating more people who are capable engineers?
Well, that's part of the problem.
We have abandoned the hard sciences in most of our universities.
I mean, literally, you have people...
Learning about underwater basket weaving or, you know, lesbian studies, and there's nothing wrong with that.
It's like, yeah, but it's like it's not – you're not going to have Carl Sagan's coming out of school these days with hard sciences, and it's a shame.
And that's something we have to change at the cultural level.
We have to go back and actually engage in trying to get – I think we're good to go.
So I think it's something we have to rethink regarding that.
But a lot of the stuff you're talking about, China has had to steal the technology.
And you point out correctly, there's a book by Bill Gertz called Betrayal where it points out that the Clinton administration gave tons of high-tech information to China to include the technology for multiple reentry vehicles, MIRVs for nuclear weapons.
Yep, yep.
And stealth technology.
So all these things happened, and so we can't pretend it didn't happen, but we have to find a way to overcome that and be stronger.
One of the things, and also, I don't know if you know this, this is something I learned today.
The Chinese, the CCP, had the largest coast guard on the planet, 600 ships.
And those ships are designed to not save lives.
They've actually got reinforced bows to ram other Coast Guard ships.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
It's like, holy cow.
So these people are basically showing that they're going to be very aggressive and instituting a policy of reclaiming.
This is them, not us.
They're saying they're reclaiming territories that were traditionally under Chinese control.
That's what they're saying.
It's a fiction, but that's what they're doing.
And building artificial islands and then claiming the territory around those as well.
Right.
So we have to examine these things point by point and establish a policy to counter each one.
We could probably go through it and talk about it here for the next 20 minutes.
But I think suffice it to say that you'd have to go through and look at diplomatic, economic, cultural, military and technology issues and come up with a solution or a set of solutions, each one of those.
And it's doable.
It's not a question of doing it.
It's a question of political will.
At this point, the Biden administration and most people who are not Donald Trump don't want to do it.
Yeah, well, one more reason why we got to get Trump back in the White House and help him achieve his third election victory.
But let me, I don't know if you want to call this pushing back or what, but let me mention something about China that I've noticed as someone, you know, again, I'm steeped in the culture of Taiwan and China and speak Mandarin and I've noticed that for many decades, China was great at pirating technology.
They were transferred technology.
They stole technology.
And if you go back into the history of even Taiwan, back in the 1970s and even the early 1980s, Taiwan was known as, I'm sorry to say, back in those days, a manufacturer of junk.
Japan, even back in the 1960s and 1970s, was also seen as a manufacturer of mostly junk foreign imports.
That is no longer true.
It has not been true for decades.
Japan is a leading, obviously, world innovator of technology.
Same thing with Taiwan, as you mentioned, with the microchips.
the most advanced microchip systems in the world, and also many other areas, advanced materials manufacturing in Taiwan.
And I would argue that China has also moved past that phase where they need to steal technology.
China is inventing tech.
China is innovating now because just the Chinese people, I would say Asian people in general are very high IQ people.
I don't disagree with your premise, but this is the thing.
Our side has kind of taken down focus.
So right before Thanksgiving last year, the Five Eyes Nations met.
That is the British, Canadians, New Zealand, Australia, United States – And I don't know if you know this, 60% of all intellectual theft that's conducted annually is done by the Chinese, by the CCP. So I don't think...
They're taking that and not innovating.
I'm saying that they are stealing other people's information continuously to try to feed their innovation.
Okay, yeah, good point.
I think you've nailed it right there.
Exactly.
They steal and then they innovate on top of that or they iterate that.
I agree.
Yeah, exactly.
All right.
So then, I don't know, we have maybe 10 minutes left, something like that.
So let's talk about domestic politics for a minute.
Trump is the clear leader for the GOP. There's been speculation that the Democrats or the powers that be would be desperate enough to try to stop the election.
That's a pretty big thing if they were to do that.
Do you think that's a possibility?
Do you think we can even have a fair and free election in America?
So let me give you some examples.
Observation.
So one of the things I did recently is I had my friend Matt Ho on my radio show, on A Hard Truth.
And Matt and I, you can laugh at this, Matt and I used to be on MSNBC in the old days.
Matt was with Brett McGurk.
No, Brett McGurk.
Brett McGurk, and who's now the guy in charge of Biden's policy for Iraq.
Brett McGurk.
Matt, Ho, and I were on with Dylan Radigan.
Dylan was kind of a Wall Street guy who had his own show on MSNBC. And Dylan was nonpartisan.
Dylan liked having people from different points of view come in and discuss.
And our focus back then was Afghanistan.
But we stayed in touch.
And so we haven't talked to each other for about 10 years.
That is Matt and I. Matt's a Green Party guy.
And Matt...
Was trying to run against some congressional...
Oh, he ran for Senate last year.
And guess who opposed him?
The Democrats.
The Democrats got him in court and they stopped anything to do with the Green Party.
I mean, oh my gosh, it was like litigation.
It's like the Democrats are anti-Democrat.
They don't want democracy.
And then right now, as we speak...
The North Carolina Democrat Party, the same group that went after my friend Matt, for daring to actually have his name on the ballot as running for Senate, is now saying that, oh, Marianne Williamson and I don't know that other dean, whatever his name is, congressmen who are nationally recognized Democrat candidates, you can't be on the ballot.
Even though the Democrat Party of North Carolina says, even if they don't campaign here, they have to be on the ballot if they're nationally recognized.
No, they're just going to break the rules and say, no, we're only going to have Joe Biden on the ballot.
That's it.
Wow.
And they're not doing it just here.
They're doing it in Florida.
They're doing it in a number of places where they literally are breaking their own rules.
Literally.
Well, of course.
And then now you see Colorado and Maine.
Same party trying to deprive the Republican voters of the right to vote for the candidate they want.
And between you and me, look, this whole 14th Amendment thing, it's nonsense.
There's a number of credible documentaries out there that go through the whole 6th January thing.
Trump You cannot have run an insurrection against his own government.
It's not possible.
The man who was president in charge of the federal government, which you would have to have an insurrection against, was the president.
It's not possible.
It's like saying, hey, I'm going to go rob my own house tonight.
I'm going to take all my TV, but it belongs to you.
I know, but I'm going to do it anyway.
You can't do it.
It's not possible.
You're not going to get in trouble for taking your own stuff.
And President Trump was president on the 6th of January.
No matter how they try to frame this, oh, he encouraged...
At best, he would have interfered with a government process because that's the only thing anybody's ever been prosecuted for.
There's no...
You did not have an insurrection.
Well, and plus, there is a process to question ballots from states.
That process is part of the government.
Right, right.
And so anyway, part two of this, this is a long way of answering your question, but no, I think the Democrats are looking at anything because they are so desperate.
Because I'm like, there wasn't 81 million votes.
Come on.
There's no way that 81 million people voted for Sleepy Joe.
No, absolutely no way.
And do I believe there is cheating?
I personally investigated some of the cheating.
So no, I have no doubt that President Trump won that election.
With that said, they are not going to make the same mistakes again.
I think they recognize we're onto them regarding the Dominion voting machines.
A lot of people are looking at that.
I think I investigated ballots, pallets of ballots, and UPS trucks being moved.
I think people are going to be on more of an alert for that.
The whole 5,000 mules, whatever it is, The D'Souza movie where they had all the dumps of ballots.
People are going to be more aware of that.
So they're going to have to come up with a different cheating scheme.
I mean, will they still do those?
Do they think they can get away with them?
Absolutely.
But it's not going to be as easy because I think a lot of the groups who they counted on, minorities, both minorities, That Latin Americans and black Americans are not going to be turning up in numbers for Joe Biden because Biden literally has made their lives worse.
And therefore, I think the Democrats are going to be much more desperate and much more willing to do things that were unimaginable just four years ago.
Well, that's a really good point because the cheating happened locally.
It was at the local counting in California.
in certain swing states.
That's where the cheating happened, and they had to have sort of willing, complicit people.
And I think you make a really great point there, Tony, that those people are probably rethinking this.
They might be asking, is my life worse or better today than it was four years ago?
And I think for most Americans, and especially black Americans, the answer is it's worse now, actually.
So I used to drive around I used to live in Washington and Springfield, just south of Washington.
I was always fascinated, Mike, by all the Obama stickers on vehicles.
When he first came into office, all the different...
Propaganda.
And then, sure enough, eight years later, those knuckleheads were still driving the same car with the same stickers.
Like, I guess, you know, he didn't measure up the hope.
That hope didn't materialize for you.
And I think that's the case for most of these folks who are constituents of the left.
There's no benefit.
They just become robots who are told, oh, we're going to take care of you, and it never happens.
And yet they somehow vote for it over and over.
Amazing.
All right, you're with Project Sentinel.
The website is ProjectSentinel.com.
Would you like to tell us a little bit about that project here in our last few minutes?
So much of what we've talked about today, Mike, relates to Project Sentinel.
So Project Sentinel is an effort to reexamine from the 21st century lens what the Founding Fathers got right.
And they got most things right.
And the idea here is that we need to return to the basic principles that were established by the Founding Fathers.
And so when I see things like Greg Abbott taking and citing the Constitution down to the specific sections to do something, we're all for that.
I think it's the right way to go.
But beyond that, there's some big areas that our government's failing us on.
First off, Every time I hear Joe Biden say, reduce the deficit, it drives me nuts.
The fact that we are spending our children's money, this deficit spending, is dangerous.
It's stupid.
And by the way, China is one of our banks that's loaning us all this money.
And there is literally, there's been no link between appropriation of money, that is to say the taxes you and I pay, appropriated dollars, there's no link between appropriated dollars and government spending, none.
Right.
Now, you and I try that, see what happens, you know?
Yeah.
States can't do that.
But somehow the federal government, because it has this fiat currency that they seem to think that, oh, we'll spend our way out of it, is literally going to lead to, I believe, catastrophic failure of our financial system within 10 years because the debt on our deficit is going to be so great that we're not going to be able to generate enough income to even pay the interest on the debt.
Well, I mean, we're talking a trillion dollars a year in interest.
Yeah, right.
Who's going to have that?
And I don't think you can print money fast enough without collapsing your economy.
Well, we're about to find out.
I think we're going to find out.
Okay, Project Sentinels.
So what people can find there is obviously videos, articles.
What else?
Well, we actually have one of our founding...
The principles of my former boss, Dr.
Herb London is the foundation for this.
Herb London, I love Herb.
You know, I still run the London Center for Policy Research.
We're in the process of shutting it down for any number of reasons.
It just didn't come back from COVID.
Herb London was a traditional liberal who saw the light and became a conservative.
And he's got a number of great works.
We try to use his teachings, his books as a great foundation and interpretation of practical conservatism for the 21st century.
All of it's linked to the Founding Fathers.
So we're basically trying to convince people, Mike, to take a step back.
Don't accept at face value the federal government's It's encroachment into everything.
And I mean everything.
I mean, there's no way the federal government should be telling us what kind of light bulbs to buy.
Or when I hear about the federal government jumping in to help fund programs for homeless on the streets of San Francisco, it's like, really?
I don't think that's in the Constitution.
That's a city and state responsibility.
The federal government should be doing nothing in that.
And I hear Joe Biden going to all these places, oh, this whole thing is being built with federal dollars.
No, it's not.
It's being built by dollars that you've taken from citizens at the local level, processed through, taken a cut, and sent it back down.
Exactly.
It's wasteful.
It's wasteful.
And so we're saying, let's stop that nonsense.
The federal government should be cut back to those things which are only clearly articulated within the Constitution.
That's like a 90% cut.
I think it is.
That sounds good to me.
Mike, that's why they don't want Kerry Lake.
They don't want Donald Trump.
They don't want me.
Because it's like, you know, I'd go into the Pentagon and I've literally said I would cut the intelligence community's budget in half and cut the people by two-thirds and it would run five times better and far more efficiently because it's too much bloat and too many bureaucrats who don't want to do any of the work anyway.
Yeah.
Well, well said.
All right.
The website, folks, is ProjectSentinel.com.
And, Tony, I want to thank you for being with us today, spending your time and also your analysis, which I think is spot on.
And I'm really enthused by the fact that people like you are active.
It gives me hope.
I mean, there are days I lose hope for the future of this republic.
Seriously.
And then I get to interview people like you and, you know, Colonel Douglas McGregor, for example, and others.
And I feel like maybe we do have a chance, you know.
But then the next day something horrible happens.
I'm not sure.
But you give me hope, Tony.
So thank you for all that you do.
Well, I appreciate people like you saying we need to drive on.
I appreciate your energy and enthusiasm.
We can't give up.
And I know it's tough sometimes.
And look, I appreciate the fact that My 30-plus years of being someone who enjoyed breaking the law on our side, I was always pushing the edge.
I appreciate all of my experience now being used to help educate folks and try to help people understand what needs to be done next.
So I appreciate the opportunity to talk to you and your audience.
So thanks again for having me.
Absolutely.
An honor to have you on, and I hope we get to do this again soon, sir.
Sure.
Thank you so much.
Enjoy your day.
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