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Dec. 13, 2023 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Col Tony Shaffer tells Mike Adams that NATO and the USA have LOST the war...
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Welcome to today's interview on Bratian.com.
We're joined by an extraordinary guest today, Colonel Tony Schaefer, who I think has offered some of the very best analysis of geopolitical events, including Russia, Ukraine, as well as the situation in the Middle East.
And he joins us today, a first-time guest here, but I'm a longtime fan of his work.
Welcome, sir.
It's an honor to have you on the show today.
Look, thank you for having me.
It's always great to join folks who want to discuss facts rather than fiction or the reality rather than emotion.
So thanks for having me.
Good to be on with you.
Absolutely, and I do want to preface this discussion just by saying or repeating something that you have said recently, that you're not a fan of Putin, and neither am I, and nothing that we say here should be interpreted in that manner.
But I think right now, at this time in history, it's very clear, and we're starting to see admissions from the West, that NATO has been defeated by Russia in Ukraine.
Is that sort of where we're at now?
Yeah, it kind of is.
I mean...
I'm a big believer in accountability as well, and the $113 billion, I think, was largely misspent.
Where we got the idea of funding community theater and the civil service of Ukraine would help the Ukrainians beat the Russians is beyond me, but that was wasted.
And then just the graft and corruption, which has yet to be looked at, is another drain on those resources.
And ultimately, I called some of the strategies put forth by Victoria Nuland, who's not a military strategist, Jake Sullivan, who's not a Mark Milley, who I think is better at wearing high heels and forcing people to look at gender norms versus being a strategist.
And people like Dave Petraeus, who have always put a really...
And General Hodges, Ben Hodges, I think, they all put this really rosy picture.
Oh, everything's fine.
We're training people in the four wins and hoping for the best.
And it's been a travesty.
I feel horrible.
For the Ukrainian people, the Ukrainian military who's had to suffer this outrageous tapestry of incompetence.
And so, yeah, at this point, it's very clear that what our side put forward, to include NATO, NATO was a wingman of the United States on this, it's just not worked.
And many of us said, by the way, that it wasn't going to work.
Right.
This could have been avoided.
Well, it could have been.
It should have been.
That's the issue.
It's like, If you look just at history, history does not repeat, but it likes to rhyme, and you look at the numbers.
And my job as someone who's, you know, I'm retired, but I'm not, I do feel obligated, based on my oath, especially as a public citizen, as a public figure, to tell the American people the truth is best I understand it.
Yes.
And I said from day one, No matter what happens, the numbers aren't there.
Zelensky finally admitted, I think, within the last 24 hours the actual number of Ukrainian forces Which was a tick under 600,000.
Oh, my.
Okay.
So, in other words, this whole time when people like you and others, like I'll say Scott Ritter and other analysts, have been talking about 300,000, 400,000, 500,000 Ukrainians killed or injured, and the Western media would say, no, that's absurd.
It's only 60,000 or 80,000 or whatever.
So that's now a confirmed giant lie by the Western media.
Yeah.
Precisely.
And so it's kind of like we've been saying they've been lying about the numbers.
And by the way, Western media, especially the British media, have been co-conspirators to cover up the reality.
I mean, the BBC in particular was hyper-focused on every Russian loss.
Oh my God, a Russian general stubbed his toe today.
It's the end of the world.
End of the Russians.
It's going to collapse.
Like, I don't think so.
And it was like this over...
for the Ukrainian inability to tell the truth or get the word out.
So it's kind of like, and I was, I said early on, because a lot of US media then were certain sensory rushes, like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Even propaganda means something.
Let the information be available to all so people can make their own assessment.
And I learned from the Cold War that even the lies that are being told will tell you something about the reality of what that country is trying to say.
True.
And it's like the more you try to basically make everybody look at everything through a little straw, the more you contort and distort the reality which is going on.
And that's what happened.
Let's cover the big lie, which is we've been told this whole time that we need to support Ukraine because Ukraine is a democracy, that Ukraine has a free press.
I mean, come on.
The free press was banned, was outlawed.
There.
And elections have been canceled.
I mean, Zelensky is an authoritarian.
And so this whole lie from the get-go is, look, if we're going to support a country, shouldn't they actually support the ideals that we once believed in?
But then again, America has lost a lot of those principles as well.
So, go ahead.
Let's break that down.
So first off, Ukraine went from being the second most corrupt country in Europe behind Russia to Oh, we've got to be with them.
They're our friends.
Okay, well, that's kind of weird, but okay, we'll try to open that up to a conversation.
And it was universally accepted that Ukraine was corrupt, every element of Ukraine.
That's why they were never making any headway to join the EU. The EU would not accept them because they're corrupt.
And then the other thing then, you just take that and set that aside then, I've argued that we are involving ourselves in what essentially is a civil war.
Ukraine as an area has been part of the Russian, greater Russian Republic, Empire, whatever you want to call it, forever.
During the Soviet Union days, obviously it was a key component of the Soviet Union regarding essentially everything that was going on in Russia.
Chernobyl was in Ukraine.
Many of the things that were produced are Ukrainian.
Yeah, regarding military equipment during the Cold War.
And so what I believe is going on is a civil war.
And I've said this publicly and I'll say it over and over.
Russia and Ukraine are cut from the same bolt of cloth.
They're both cut from, they're both the same.
They're just, the only distinctive difference is you have two competing sets of governance that were created at the end of the Cold War.
And there are elements of the West Who have been pushing, especially Obama and the Bidens, to remove Ukraine from the sphere of influence from Russia.
I think it's because of energy.
Doug McGregor and others don't agree with me on this, but I believe what really prompted a great deal of the...
I'm showing you, I didn't mean to interrupt, but I'm showing you a headline from the gray zone.
The Ukrainian trial demonstrates the 2014 Maidan massacre was a false flag.
This is kind of what you're talking about.
Yeah, exactly.
And so there was a prompting of a separation of Ukraine from the Russian sphere of influence.
I think it was done with the color revolution.
Victoria Nuland and others were involved.
All sorts of shenanigans were going on.
And I believe that it was more Ukraine's breaking of agreements than Russia breaking of agreements that resulted in the war.
I'm not blaming Ukraine.
I'm blaming the government and Western forces who were creating conditions To almost encourage Putin to move in.
I'm going to say this, and I may get in trouble for it.
When the Cold War ended, when the Dayton Accords were signed, I think in 94, which created the conditions for Ukraine to return nuclear weapons to Russia with an agreement that Ukraine would be given territorial integrity.
That is to say, Ukraine would be Ukraine.
And one of the other agreements in that in that time frame was NATO would not move east.
So NATO moved east, moved east a lot.
It took up a number.
It took Poland.
It took a number of formerly Warsaw Pact nations to include the Baltic states, which is right on the Russian.
And the Russians have always been paranoid.
The Russians have always sought to have what they consider a sphere of security influence that essentially if it's not pro-Russian, at least it's neutral.
And that's what the West started incurring into, incurred.
And so Putin Tried to make the best of it in the early days.
I think he tried to do outreach and try to engage.
Could I offer that what you just said, Russia wanting a buffer zone, this is justified by history.
This is not irrational on Putin's part, and not just World War II, but long before that.
Look at the history of Russia and the wars.
If anything, Russia knows that its survival depends on protecting its own borders.
It does.
And it goes back to before Napoleon.
Napoleon was one of the great examples of a Western army going east.
The Germans, the Nazis, that was another episode.
Before that, the Tsars, I think it was Tsar Alexander, had to face off against a number of things going back to the Mongols.
This is not without reason.
The Russians are paranoid because of their experience.
And no amount of explaining it away or us trying to kowtow them is going to change the culture.
The culture is the culture.
And this is one of the things I find most frustrating about the current administration, as well as others who pretend to not understand history.
The Russians have a paranoia that is informed by their experience, and you're not going to change it.
Putin has been successful because he recognizes what his culture calls for.
That's why his approval rates are high.
That's why the current war is supported by the Russian people, because they understand more deeply than I think even Putin, this paranoia and paranoia.
And Putin has understood it.
That's why he's still in power and he will continue to be in power.
And this whole idea that these minor incursions that somehow this conflict was going to end Putin was insane.
You had people literally believing that somehow if they could just keep the Ukraine conflict going long enough, Putin would fall.
It's never going to happen.
I want to ask you about that in particular.
You mentioned the suffering of the Ukrainian people, and I completely agree with you.
My heart goes out.
It is it's an atrocity that so many young Ukrainian men in particular now, apparently women on the battlefield, have lost their lives in a way that was utterly unnecessary.
And in a way that's also been an extension of the arrogance of the State Department of the United States.
But Ukrainians are not the only victims here.
The German people look at Germany's economy.
Look at all of Western Europe, you know, with the destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines and the cutoff of energy.
And also, by the way, the lack of trade now between Russia and Western European economies.
This has caused these European economies to be unable to export and trade goods, which has caused economic devastation in Germany and other nations as well.
So it's like the United States from afar says, oh, we don't care if we leave your country a mess as long as we think we're going to hurt Putin, which didn't really happen anyway.
The only people that got hurt here are the Ukrainians and the Western Europeans, it seems.
I agree with you.
So ultimately, I think in 2014, 2013, 2014, I think the straw that kind of pushed Putin to do something was the solidification of an understanding of the massive gas and oil reserves in the Donbass and in the Black Sea. I think the straw that kind of pushed Putin to
There's no doubt in my mind, even practically speaking, that Putin would want to see a West dominating Ukraine, basically bringing Ukraine into their sphere and having those gas resources as a competitor against Russia.
It's a practical thing.
He does not want that.
So I think that was a key factor.
With that said, the Russians have massive amounts of resources.
They want to maintain those resources, and they want to have markets to sell those resources.
And so I think the Europeans had established what I thought to be a practical way of dealing with Russia.
Obviously, Nord Stream 1 and 2 were providing a great deal of important natural gas.
And let me cover this real quick.
I've got a degree in environmental studies.
The current movement to essentially remove fossil fuels from use is insane.
You and I are speaking.
The material we have around us, anything that's made from petrochemicals, you know, polyester, polyurethane, nylon, it's all from But petroleum.
That's right.
And the idea that somehow we're going to remove petroleum.
COP28. We should have another show about COP28. Yeah, I'd love to have a show about that.
Oh, my God.
That is just so, like, insane.
They're now debating.
I was listening to NPR this morning.
By the way, I don't know if you do this.
I listen to NPR, and I almost drive off the road because I'm rolling my eyes so often from everything they're saying.
It's like, oh, my God.
I can't even listen to NPR for more than about five seconds.
I know.
Beat my face with a hammer or something.
But it's...
It's such torture.
Well, let me get back.
So I don't want to distract, but they were talking about COP28 and wanting to get rid of fossil fuels.
And the Germans have been big on this.
Like, you know, we want to defund our economy.
We want to end our economy.
It's like, really?
You're going to have a really hard time convincing your people to not grow food, grow food without using nitrates, to eat bugs and avoid having meat.
Because Germans, I'm part German and I love meat.
I love raw food.
So the very issues relating to energy, which are necessary for any Western economy, especially Western Europe, to be prosperous, It's being essentially sacrificed on the altar of Joe Biden's wish to crash Putin.
I mean, that's what it is.
The Nord Stream destruction, I don't know who did it, but I don't think it was the Ukrainians.
I don't think it was two men in a rowboat, to quote, get smart.
I think it was done with design.
To do an attack like that, you have to have a sophisticated naval submarine capability that limits the suspects greatly.
And I think that Biden has done things to essentially damage our European allies in ways the European allies are just now starting to figure out.
Poland's figured it out.
Poland's backing off supporting Ukraine.
I think the Germans are going to go through another awakening about how badly they've been deceived by the United States.
And I think everybody's backing out of supporting Ukraine because the support for Ukraine It's not only damaged the Ukrainian people, it's damaged essentially the global order of things that I think was working very effectively under Trump.
And by the way, you know, I worked for Trump.
I was the National Security Advisor to Trump 2020.
And I do believe that this would not have happened under Trump.
I think Trump would have forced both sides to do something other than go to war to see this massive loss of life.
I agree with your assessment.
And Trump is good at de-escalation.
Absolutely.
Despite the fact that he gets right in people's face, yes, he's a master of de-escalation.
But, you know, internationally, you have to be the guy that carries a big stick.
Absolutely.
Because otherwise, everybody calls her bluff.
I mean, Joe Biden says something.
All the other countries say, yeah, we don't think you mean it.
But if Trump says something, they will take that seriously.
Now, also, by the way, to Trump's credit, and I voted for Trump twice, and I'm pretty sure Trump's going to have his third victory coming up here soon in another year or so.
And I do mean third.
Yeah.
And Trump, I mean, he had us domestically, energy self-sufficient.
And that matters because of right now what's happening in the Middle East.
But, yeah, your comments on that.
So, as an environmental studies guy, CO2 is a plant food.
The idea somehow of us trying to remove petroleum from the global stage is beyond insane.
As a matter of fact, there's been several hearings on this there that if the left...
Is able to remove CO2 from the environment.
They basically have said we want to, you know, lower the global temperature by removing CO2. The linkage of the two is not there, but they pretend it is.
The sun is the biggest dominant factor of climate, of temperature.
CO2 has nothing to do with it.
But they want to basically remove from 0.03% That's how small it is,.03% of the atmosphere is CO2,.02.
At.02, photosynthesis stops.
Plants don't have enough CO2 to function.
Then if they can't produce oxygen, we start dying.
That's how insane this all is.
So this is a long way of saying the very target of what the left's trying to achieve by removing CO2, by stopping the use of petrochemicals, would end the human race.
That's how stupid it is.
You're absolutely correct in that conclusion.
I completely agree with you.
I do just want to say, though, I believe the current CO2 levels in parts per million are about 417 parts per million.
I know the percentage is different than the parts per million, but the parts per million are trying to say is what's driving all this, and I don't believe it.
Right, right.
But you're absolutely right.
And this carbon sequestration, this would kill photosynthesis on the planet if they pull CO2 out of the atmosphere.
And I don't know about you, Colonel, but I learned photosynthesis, I think, in 10th grade science class.
And you know the inputs are sunlight, Right?
And water and carbon dioxide.
Right.
And if you don't have those three things, and by the way, they're trying to block the sun, and they're trying to reduce carbon dioxide.
So if you don't have two out of the three things that make plants grow, then you don't have food.
Right.
It's obvious.
No, and so before I get back to petroleum, let me just divert for one second to trees.
So right now, the moment we're speaking, at this very moment in time, according to Princeton, there's 3.04 trillion trees.
Trillion!
Trillion!
And each one of those trees, on average, uses about 48 pounds of CO2. Now, if you multiply...
Is that in its lifetime or per year?
No, per year.
Per year, okay.
So if you multiply 3.04 trillion...
We don't have a CO2 problem.
We have a problem with the left trying to frighten people to believe somehow that the basic photosynthesis that you learned in middle school is dangerous to mankind.
It's insane.
It is insane.
It's literally insane.
So going back then to the primary producer of man-made carbon is us burning coal Fuel.
Well, you know, it's plant food.
As a matter of fact, back during the Reagan years, they did a survey of the effects of CO2 being produced by catalytic converters.
Catalytic converters really do basically produce water and CO2. That's it.
And so they did a survey to find out what the effects of CO2 is on the interstate system, what happens to the plant life.
It grows.
There's more green next to interstate highways than there is other places because of more CO2. So if you want to combat CO2, grow more trees.
It's insane.
Anyway, but my point is to what Trump was doing.
Trump, I think, fundamentally knows this whole green movement is nonsense.
And I and others, I work with Steve Moore of his economic team, and it's like, no, we need to produce as much petrochemical, as much petroleum as we can, because it's not just about gas, it's not about cars.
It's about manufacturing.
Again, most phones contain elements of, you know, this cover.
It's made of petrochemicals.
So it's not only about energy.
It's about what can be produced from petrochemicals.
It's a very useful resource.
And so the idea was we should go back to being the net exporter globally.
And then two things happen real quick, and I just want to hit this real quick.
If you want to hurt Putin, defund Putin's war by going to mass production, outspending.
Outproduce Russia.
You will take out about 40% of his ability to make money by dropping the bottom out of oil.
Period.
That's right.
And then you massively increase the ability of the U.S. economy to prosper.
Two big things.
but they will never happen because the left, especially Joe Biden and the progressives, have turned this climate crisis into their religion, and they will never go against their religion.
You're exactly right.
Well, I would call it even a cult, a climate cult.
I was being polite.
Okay.
Well, thank you for that.
But just to summarize what you said, which I think is brilliant, if the U.S. were to produce...
massive amounts of energy and to export that onto the world, not only would domestic energy prices in the United States go down substantially, which is associated with strong GDP growth domestically, which would make Americans more wealthy and more prosperous, and more competitive, by the way, in terms of global manufacturing.
But at the same time, you would deprive Russia of the current premium that it is obtaining from heightened energy prices.
Absolutely.
Russia's been selling oil way over $60 a barrel.
Yes.
Russia's selling natural gas.
Russia is selling diesel, refined fuels as well.
But, see, you make too much economic sense.
That's the problem.
You're not a fit for the Biden administration, obviously, thank God.
No, as a matter of fact, you might find this funny.
I've advised every administration, and I've worked for every president in some form.
As a matter of fact, I just hung my certificate up on the wall from when I was a very young high school student working for the Carter White House.
No kidding!
No, I'm not.
I actually went to high school in Lisbon And I was assigned to the Carter entourage to go out and buy a sweater, a Portuguese sweater for Amy and a vase for Zygmunt Brzezinski.
And I'm not joking.
No way.
No, I've got the certificate.
I just put it up today.
So I'm saying that I have worked in some form for every president except for this one.
Yes.
But no, they don't want to hear any of this stuff.
I've advised chairmen of the Joint Chiefs.
I advised Mike Pompeo when he was both Secretary of State at CIA, both.
And I try to give people, and Joe Dunford, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, because I asked him one time, I said, you know, Joe, why do you have me in?
Why do you allow me to be one of your advisors?
And he says, because you see things differently.
And I don't know if it's differently.
I'd like to believe it's just I will look at the facts for what they are and not allow myself the luxury of tainting them for purposes of political gain.
So I think that's part of the problem with our system right now.
Well, but people with your philosophy that you've just described are rare species in Washington, D.C. True.
Right?
So for whatever reason, you have a survival instinct that is extremely uncommon.
But let me ask you about your project, Sentinel, by the way.
Yeah.
As a segue to that, the website, folks, is ProjectSentinel.com, and this is your project.
You founded it.
Can you tell us about this and what the goals are?
So we believe, the small group of board members, myself, and some of the folks who are leaving the London Center for Policy Research, which I ran up until this month, and we're in the process of disbanding that because it just never came back from COVID. There's nothing wrong with it.
It's just the funding dried up, and we've got to move on to other things.
Many of the principles of Dr.
Herb London, who was the founder of the London Center, have been moved over, and those were very much focused on constitutional governance.
And I mean governance based on what George Washington prescribed as the commander-in-chief of the Continental Army.
He had a very, I think, very realistic view of warfare.
I think we need to start looking at how Washington as our first general, first commander-in-chief saw things, and then also how the founding fathers established warfare.
A series of philosophies, laws, and policies which essentially have sustained our nation, the Republic, for what it is.
And I think we are straying away from those things too often.
For the military, I think Washington would be really horrified by what we're doing in Ukraine.
He advised to stay out of foreign entanglements.
I think it's a foreign entanglement.
We do not want to be in the middle of it.
We are.
We are looking at the federal government essentially absorbing authorities beyond the 10th Amendment.
It's charter.
I don't understand how the government can tell me or incentivize me to buy an electric car when I know electric cars are wasteful, harmful to the environment.
The dictate that the Biden administration said to move to a certain percentage of electric cars by 2030 is insane.
To meet the goals would require they find three times more sources of nickel than exist right now to known resources.
And that's not even mentioning lithium, which are rare earths, and cobalt.
And it's these sorts of things I don't believe the federal government should be in the middle of.
The things like economic development, transportation, those things should be left to industry, and the states should be the primary regulator of how things work within their own geographic boundary, not the federal government.
I don't see how the federal government can tell us what lights to buy.
It's like, really?
I like what lights I like, and I think the market will bear out that LEDs are probably better, more efficient.
Let the market determine that, not by government.
And then the bureaucracy.
We have a bureaucracy now, which I think has become a third party.
You've got the Democrats, Republicans, and the bureaucracy.
And it's a very dangerous thing to have unelected people, such as ATF and other organizations, IRS agencies, I think our audience will resonate with everything that
you just said there.
So let me encourage our audience, again, go to ProjectSentinel.com And there's also a donate button there if you want to help support Colonel Schaeffer's organization and the mission and what they are working on.
So be sure to check that out.
I'll give it a more detailed look here as well after the show.
I'm really glad to learn about this.
And, you know, a great example of the overreach of the bureaucracy would be the ATF and its arm brace rule.
Oh my goodness, yes.
Right, so I'd like you to talk about that for a second here.
You mentioned before the show, Sig Sauer is, I think, one of your sponsors for another project that you do.
I'm a huge fan of Sig.
As I said, I own their MCX rifles, you know, multiple versions, and also some arm-based MCX pistols, by the way, which I had to, you know, I had to be worried that the ATF was going to come confiscate my firearms during that, but, you know, thankfully a judge pushed back on that for now, but...
How could the ATF suddenly decide to write new laws and 5 million Americans are suddenly felons?
Because they can.
And I think this was pointed out by Thomas Massey and others during hearings on this.
Like, this is a common use weapon.
And literally, there's probably 30 million, 30 million weapons that have some form of brace.
I've got one within arm's reach.
I prefer a brace.
Because I have about three acres and I want a medium range weapon.
I don't need something that's going to give me a reach out to a mile.
I don't need that.
And I need something more than a pistol.
So a brace gives me the ultimate ability to do what I need for my defense.
I got that right.
Last time I checked, Second Amendment.
So the idea that you would have unelected bureaucrats decide, oh yeah, we've changed our mind.
And despite the The comment period, which pointed out all the things that we're talking about right now, about common use, the actual practical use of braces for people who are disabled or otherwise.
A brace is a practical component of a weapon that makes it more accurate and stable.
Why would you want to remove something that makes a weapon accurate and stable?
I mean, think about it.
It's like, are you kidding me?
Oh, it may be used by a criminal.
A car may be used by a criminal.
You're not going to take cars off the road because some criminal may use it to assault somebody, which they do.
And the other thing...
Especially arm braces for women.
I found that a lot of female users that are training on either 9mm carbine-style pistols or AR-style pistols, they need an arm brace because they don't necessarily have the upper body strength to hold the full mass of a 16-inch rifle.
You know what I'm saying?
The closer you can hold it in, the easier it is.
Right.
And again, to your point and my point, it makes it more accurate.
If it's more comfortable, you can shoot it better.
It's just the way it works.
And so this is where I and others were mortified by the idea that they were all of a sudden just, oh, yeah, we've changed our mind, despite the fact that they had given all sorts of guidance on And approvals for the manufacturing of these things.
And then overnight, to actually try to turn people into felons is insane.
And I think it's going to come down to, is it a quote-unquote common use weapon?
Now, in my interview with Tom Taylor, who's the Executive Vice President for Commercial Activities and Marketing, The chief marketing officer, SIG has gone back to shipping them out.
As a matter of fact, Tom said publicly, yeah, no, we've resumed shipping arm braces as part of the SIG's manufacturing, which, God bless them, I'm glad they are.
And I think it's one of those things that most pragmatic people who understand the need for the effective use of firearms recognize the braces are just another thing you can use.
And I'd like to see this Maybe even push out the whole restriction on short-barreled rifles.
I'm still not understanding how a short-barreled rifle, which is less accurate than an AR, I worry about it just from the perspective of you're not going to win any competitions with it.
No, I mean, the whole NFA harkens back to, what, the 1930s or something, and it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
The 16-inch rule and now that whole point system that the ATF was talking about, I know you probably went through that, too.
I was looking at that thinking, This is insane.
I'm going to have to apply calculus to this thing to figure out how many points this, you know, this pistol is.
But anyway, I'm glad that you work with SIG because I think SIG provides a lot of really important solutions for Americans, for self-defense, and also for our soldiers as well.
So, speaking of that, yeah, they've just completed the initial and I guess complete contract for the manufacturing of the M17, M18, Versions of the P-220.
People can buy essentially slides, the military slides, what they have access of for a number of their weapons, great weapons.
And then so they've completed that.
Now they're selling the M-17 and M-18 platform to a number of foreign countries.
The Australians, I think, just bought it.
Canadians are buying it.
Any number of countries are buying this, but also now they've finalized and are going into full production of the M7, which is the military's version of the Sphere, basically the big old rifle that's going to be the new battle rifle.
And I've shot it.
It's an amazing weapon.
They've done some amazing things with both the ammunition and the system that allows for the absorption of a high caliber, higher grain bullet.
Plus, they have something called suppressors on them because it's not like the movie.
They're not silencers.
They actually make the weapon more shootable by the fact that they remove a great deal of the sound, which actually harms your hearing.
I wish I had those things, but they've actually incorporated those as a part of the weapon system, and they're about to go into full production of those coming this January of next year.
Wow.
Okay.
Outstanding.
All right.
Let's move back to Ukraine for a minute here, and then I want to ask you about the Middle East situation.
But in terms of the U.S. extricating itself from the loss, Russia has won on the battlefield, and Russia wasn't even trying full force.
They weren't waging a full-blown war.
But how does the U.S. actually pull itself out of this without the geopolitical damage that we anticipate?
Well, the damage is done, and it started with Joe Biden's wackadoodle withdrawal from Afghanistan.
It's that show of weakness and incompetence which has encouraged everyone else to act, and to include Putin.
That guy doesn't know what he's doing.
And this goes back to, I think, Bob Gates, former Secretary of Defense Gates, said, you know, Joe Biden has been on the wrong side of every decision.
That's been made regarding foreign policy.
And I think it's that Gates observation, which is true, and the feckless nature of the people that Biden picked to work for him.
And full disclosure, I worked for Lloyd Austin when he was a brigadier general.
And, you know, he signed off on my Bronze Star.
I granted that.
With that said, Lloyd Austin is out of his element as Secretary of Defense.
I think the recent comments he made in front of Congress saying, either you give us the money or we're going to send your kids to their death.
I think that was a counterproductive thing.
To say the least.
Yeah, you're being polite.
Thank you.
I am.
And then Tony Blinken...
I make fun of him when I talk about him, but he is completely out of his element.
Everybody blows him off.
He tried to make the initial rounds of talks to convince allies to support Ukraine.
Everybody blew him off, and to include the Europeans now.
The Europeans are fed up with him.
It's hard to even hate Tony Blinken because I feel so sorry for the man.
Yeah, and I think it's interesting that at the time he was...
He should have most been focused on trying to resolve the situation.
He's creating a band, a State Department band, to do rock and roll globally.
It's like, really?
Yeah.
No, I mean, there's videos of this he put together, and he's doing bass or something.
And I've said in other interviews, I said, yeah, it reminds me that his nickname in college was Spanky Banana.
You know, that was his rock and roll name.
I'm just joking about that.
I don't know that.
But it is funny.
You have to admit it is funny.
So anyway, I say I make fun of the guy.
And you've got Jake Sullivan, who looks like the character Beaker from The Muppets.
You know, he's got that long neck and he's kind of always surprised by everything.
And so these people do not invoke confidence.
I've compared them to being a high school debating team in charge of national security because that's what level they operate at.
Nobody takes them seriously.
So I know this is a long way to get to answer your question.
The damage is done.
They have done the damage.
The question becomes, how does the United States move forward with some ability to influence situations and world leaders going forward?
Because that is the question, and I don't think we have the capability.
Ukraine is done.
Here's who's running our State Department.
Here we go.
That's right, Beaker.
Always surprised.
Always surprised.
Always playing with dangerous chemicals too, by the way.
That's right.
That's what they do.
With explosions in the background.
But that's the point.
It's like they are always like the last to, oh, really?
We didn't know that.
So being reactive, being presumptively reactive rather than aggressively chartering things through, trying to basically be a chess player, it's not in the DNA of the current administration.
And I think people recognize that.
And at this point, I don't think the money's going to go to Ukraine.
I think Mike Johnson's going to, Speaker Johnson's going to hold the ground about the southwest border.
I don't think it's going.
I don't think they're going to give it to him.
Well, but, okay.
I mean, I'm glad to hear that.
I'm...
I'm still skeptical about that situation because it seems like my perspective on this is we are in a waning phase of the U.S. empire and all the people in power are just looting the treasury for everything they can get before it gets worse, it seems to me.
And a lot of these payouts to Ukraine are just forms of looting and kickbacks and money laundering.
I couldn't agree more with you.
I think one of the things, I'm not sure if your show covered, was Sam Bankman-Freed, SPF, and the whole debacle.
That whole thing, to me, was a big money laundering thing that they haven't got to yet.
But think about it.
Mind the Gap, this non-profit, and the Bankman-Freeds, the parents were political operatives for the Democrats.
This whole Ukraine thing, I guess at one point, FTX was going to be the bank for Ukraine or help the bank.
It's like, really?
Are you kidding me?
So, yeah, I think the whole funding thing through Congress, wiping out debt.
Remember, some of this was wiping out existing debts of loans during the war.
To me, it's like, okay, how does that help win the war?
That just basically pays people off.
That creates more unaccountability by basically having Ukraine take these loans out.
And you say, oh, yeah, don't worry about it.
It made no financial sense to me.
I'm not an economic guy, but I've been around enough to know this doesn't look right.
And so, yeah, I think it's been a massive money laundering scheme to include the Bidens.
Back when Joe Biden was making claims about Trump coming after him and all these other things that Trump was doing to benefit him, I think it was all projection.
It was all what Joe Biden and Hunter was doing.
I hope all of that comes out.
It seems like it is a little bit more each day.
Now, in the few minutes we have left, and by the way, thank you so much for taking the time.
Sure, I really enjoyed the conversation.
Absolutely.
So let's talk about Trump, because it seems to me like key decisions are being made by influential nodes inside the system, inside the military even.
That Trump is the answer here.
And I think there's a lot of regret of the anti-Trump crowd that they sure wish they could have Trump back right now and that the U.S. military...
You know, it's a pretty good gig to be a top person in the military or to be at the top of a military contractor.
There's a lot of money in it, you know, pretty good power.
You have the strongest navy in the world and so on.
And that the Bidens are putting that whole thing at risk, whereas Trump could bring it back.
Does that assessment make sense to you?
Or what's your perception of Trump and the coming election?
It does.
So one of the notable things last week, they had the Republican debates.
And Trump won.
And he wasn't there.
Yeah, right.
And the reason I've said this several times because I've asked about this is because his policies were correct.
No matter how you feel about the mean tweets or what he did or did not do in his personal life, his policies are correct.
And they're correct for two reasons.
First, he's not willing to accept the status quo.
He's like, yeah, I don't like this.
I'm going to change it.
And that's what scares the left and the rhinos.
Like, oh, my God.
And you mentioned this earlier.
World leaders looked at what he said and took it seriously because Trump says, yeah, I'm going to do it this way.
Sorry.
It's the way.
And so I recommended to senior Pentagon leaders back when Trump came in, use Trump and his strengths.
One of his strengths is if he tweets, use that to your advantage because he's going to be able to do and say things that other presidents were not willing to do.
And I think it resulted in very favorable things.
NATO was better funded.
We had a very strong, not only a military that was not only well funded, it was respected, not feared, respected.
There's a big difference.
And right now there's fear of the U.S. military because a miscalculation would result in the U.S. doing something stupid with its military.
And that's the Joe Biden way.
It was respected under Trump because Trump was very reticent to get the US military involved.
He wanted to use other options before we get to that point, which I agree with.
I was one of the advice like, yeah, let's exhaust all other options before we have to go with the military.
Right.
And Trump understood that.
He always led with diplomacy, with commercial potential agreements.
The Abraham Accords is one of the most brilliant, sustainable artifacts from his administration.
The Saudis and Egyptians continue to work that with the Israelis behind the scenes because that was the right answer and still, in my judgment, is.
And I did some talks over the weekend.
I talked to a federal law enforcement agency group.
Those officers are frustrated because they took an oath, and now one of the two political parties are trying to use them as the enemy.
And they know – and that would not have happened under Trump, or at least not to this level.
And I think that's part of what people recognize is that Trump was the right answer and that a lot of folks want to see him back.
But I think it's inevitable at this point if he maintains his health and they – I don't think they're going to prevail on any of the lawsuits or prosecutions of him.
I think he's going to be the next president.
Yeah.
I've reached the same conclusion just recently, by the way.
And I think that the left may go completely insane, but we're also seeing the tables turn on them with Elon Musk and X and Twitter and even bringing back Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson is making waves.
the tables are turning quite rapidly.
So, look, I know Tucker.
I think he's a good guy.
I think he's like many of us.
I wasn't fundamentally as conservative as I am growing up.
I consider myself in many ways still a libertarian, you know.
Right.
I think many of us recognize that you had to do something.
I'm friends with Tulsi Gabbard.
I was advising Tulsi when she was still a Democrat because it was the right thing to do.
She was concerned about Hawaii, you know.
So, yeah.
And Jim Woolsey, former director of CIA and I were in advising her.
And I think she's another person that recognized the direction of her party.
I don't believe Elon Musk is fundamentally a conservative.
I know that they brand him as a conservative now, but I see him as a guy who's a business guy who recognizes some of his political philosophies were flawed, and he decided to abandon them.
I don't think it makes him conservative.
It makes him practical.
But I think he ultimately, like others, recognized Trump is the ultimate solution to give all political sides the best possible shot at being prosperous.
And I think that's why people like Musk, like Tucker, like Tulsi, like others, have all recognized that Trump is the answer to give everybody the best shot at prosperity in the nation.
Well, I think that's well stated, and I think that's a great way to summarize this.
We didn't get to talk about the Middle East, but if you're okay, I'll invite you back.
Please.
We'll talk about the climate again, and we'll talk about the Middle East.
Yeah, and look, I'm with you.
If we want to have abundance for humanity, we have to have affordable energy and affordable food, and those two things go together.
Absolutely.
And you have to have carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
So that's why I tell people, if I'm idling my car in the driveway, they're like, oh, you're wasting fuel.
Yeah, but I'm feeding the trees.
I mean, this is good for the plants out there.
Just want to mention your website again, projectsentinel.com, the blessings of liberty.
Anything else you want to add here as we wrap this up today?
No, I appreciate being on the show with you.
I always enjoy having these discussions where I can be a little bit snarky but really try to help people understand that they've been lied to by the mainstream media and other folks.
And simply put, I appreciate having this opportunity to be on your platform and have this conversation.
So thanks for having me.
Absolutely.
Well, we appreciate your candor and also your sense of humor here today as well.
So thank you so much, sir.
It's been an honor.
Thank you.
All right.
That was Colonel Tony Schaefer, everyone.
And again, his website is ProjectSentinel.com.
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