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Nov. 11, 2023 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter interviewed by Mike Adams on the Israeli-Hamas war
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Alright, welcome back.
Mike Adams here, joining you from the Brighton Studios in Central Texas.
And this is the Alex Jones Show, third hour today.
And we're joined by former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter, who has done an enormous quantity of interviews analyzing the current situation.
And I've probably listened to most of them, frankly.
And Scott Ritter, he definitely ruffles some feathers, but it's refreshing to hear somebody who isn't self-censoring about his views and analysis, and his history makes him extremely well-qualified to comment on this situation.
I mean, extremely qualified.
So, welcome to the show, Mr.
Ritter.
It's an honor to have you on today.
Well, thank you very much for having me on.
Well, thank you for joining us.
And you, I mean, how many interviews do you do each day?
I'm just curious because it seems like a lot.
I've actually been trying to cut back because I earned my living from writing.
And when I'm doing interviews, I'm not writing.
But today, I think you are the fourth interview today.
And I have two more interviews.
No, apparently not.
But you are getting some feather ruffling done, for sure, with some of your analysis.
But let's start with that.
I heard you say yesterday, I believe, with Redacted, the show on YouTube with Clayton, I think I heard you say that Israel is carrying out the largest-scale wholesale slaughter Well,
first of all, we need to understand that Gaza is a...
Some people have likened it to a prison, but the problem with that analogy is that prisoners have committed a crime.
The only crime that the Palestinians of Gaza have committed is apparently being born in Gaza.
The more accurate term would be concentration camp, and it's been an open-air concentration camp run by Israel on behalf of Israel since 1948.
The current campaign that's being run by Israel has three aspects to it.
The first aspect is the forcible relocation of over a million Palestinians from northern Gaza, the northern Gaza Strip, to the southern Gaza Strip.
This is a war crime, first of all.
Israel has no authority to do this.
Let's just preface this entire conversation by noting that under international law, Israel is an occupier.
The Palestinians are occupied and the occupier has no inherent right of self-defense against Israel.
The occupied do in opposition to the occupier.
So everything Israel is doing is a war crime, just by definition, given their stance.
But even if we...
You don't buy into that.
The forcible relocation of a million people under the threat of death, because that's what the Israelis have said.
If you remain here, you will die.
You will be treated as the enemy.
This is collective punishment.
This is indiscriminate targeting of civilians.
It's a war crime.
If the Israeli generals were ever put before a court of proper jurisdiction, They could spend the rest of their lives in jail for the crimes they are committing today because they know they're committing crimes.
They just operate as if they are above the law.
So the forcible relocation of over a million people is the foundation of this crime.
The second part of it is, of course, the...
The indiscriminate bombardment of civilians, the collective punishment of the citizens of Gaza, the Palestinian civilians.
The Israelis have a policy that they've been implementing since 2006.
In 2006, Israel fought a short and ultimately losing war against Hezbollah.
Part of the frustration that Israel manifested because they weren't able to defeat Hezbollah was to hold the Lebanese population accountable for Israel's inability to prevail on the battlefield.
And they did so by indiscriminately bombing, leveling, destroying, annihilating entire neighborhoods.
The name is of a suburb of West Beirut, which was flattened by Israel.
Collective punishment.
They didn't disguise it.
They said, we're punishing the citizens of Lebanon for allowing Hezbollah to exist.
Collective punishment.
And they've been doing it ever since.
Let me jump in.
Sorry to interrupt.
May I call you, Scott, for the remainder of this interview?
Is that okay?
Yeah, that's my name.
Oh, yeah, I mean, just to be a little less formal, but what, in your view, what would Israel's response, what could have Israel done in response to the October 7th Hamas attacks that would have been consistent with international humanitarian law and the Geneva Convention and so on?
What should they or could they have done that would not be indiscriminate bombing and war crimes?
Well, the first thing is, Israel should have been smart enough to know that they are walking into a Hamas trap, that Hamas was luring them into Gaza.
War is an extension of politics by other means.
And, you know, what Hamas was doing was setting Israel up for failure, knowing that Israel would implement the Dahiwa Doctrine, begin the indiscriminate bombing.
What Israel should have done is secure the border, And then turn to the United Nations through inciting Article 51 and begin a debate in the United Nations.
This would have been a very difficult debate for the United Nations to have because there would have been those in the United Nations who would have said, like Russia has already argued, that Israel has no inherent right to self-defense because they are the occupiers, the Palestinians are the occupied.
This is derived from a 2004 opinion of the International Justice Court which I've dealt with the status of Israel vis-a-vis Gaza.
But Israel would have had the moral strength with them of saying, we were just attacked.
1,400 Israelis are killed, many of them civilians.
Don't play niceties with me, the United Nations.
Don't sit here and play word games.
What are you collectively going to do about this problem and throw the issue onto the United Nations and create a debate that Hamas didn't want?
Because remember, this is a political war.
It's not a military war.
This is not a war that's going to be won by scoring more deaths.
In fact, Israel's insistence On punishing the Palestinian people have caused them to lose this political war because the world has turned against them.
In the United States, the streets are filled not with protesters saying we are with Israel, but protesters saying we are with Palestine.
If Israel had done what I just said, turn to the United Nations, cite Article 51, say how are you collectively going to defend us from this attack, the streets today would be filled with protesters On the side of Israel, because Israel would have deserved to have been supported in that event.
But that's not what they did.
They chose the sword.
You live by the sword, you die by the sword.
So you believe that Hamas had calculated that Israel's response would be overwhelmingly driven by rage and that Israel would target intentionally civilians, which means that at some level Hamas also predicted that their brothers and sisters, their Palestinian brothers and sisters, would be killed.
As part of this, and that that would make the case of Israel's brutality, do you think that that level of awareness was pre-calculated by Hamas?
100%.
Look, Hamas carried out one of the most effective, well-planned military operations in modern history.
You can call it an act of terror.
I wouldn't.
It was a military operation.
They took on the IDF, the Israeli Defense Force, in a stand-up fight and beat them.
They beat the 13th Battalion of the Golani Brigade.
They beat the 51st Battalion of the Golani Brigade.
They beat the 7th Armored Brigade.
They beat the Special Forces of Israel.
On October 7th, Hamas won a decisive military victory against Israel.
It was a military victory, not an act of terrorism.
Now, when we speak of the goal of luring Israel, and of course they did, why do you take hostages and bring them back into Gaza and put them underground?
Because you're challenging the Israelis to come in and go for them.
When Israel has no plan, they knew Israel has no plan because Israel never, ever...
We've considered the possibility of a military attack from Hamas out of Gaza of this scope and scale.
Israel had no contingency planning.
Everything they're doing right now is being made up on the spot, and it's revenge-oriented, and Hamas knew that.
Hamas knew that the Dahiwa doctrine would be implemented in full.
Now, you can say that that's very callous, but I'll offer this from history.
The early 1944, as the United States, Great Britain, Canada were planning the invasion of Normandy, D-Day, they went to Charles de Gaulle, who's the head of the Free French Forces, and said, you know, we're going to liberate France.
But when we do so, the French population of Normandy is going to be caught in the middle and there will be casualties.
And de Gaulle said, how many?
They said tens of thousands.
And he said, do what you need to do.
These will be losses that have to be occurred.
We have to suffer these losses to get our liberty.
60,000 French civilians were killed by the Allies during the Normandy invasion, 60%.
60,000.
That was done in the name of liberty.
Now, if you're a Palestinian civilian, if you're a Palestinian politician, and your goal and objective is a Palestinian state, how many Palestinians are you willing to lose in that cause, knowing that if you don't engage in this battle, there will never be a free Palestine?
So those people who sit there and say, Hamas is this, Hamas is that, Hamas is no different than Charles de Gaulle when it comes to understanding that there has to be a price paid by the civilian population if you're going to achieve your objective of an independent state.
Well, that's definitely going to get some reaction to what you just said, but let me redirect and ask you this.
Clearly, some of the casualties of the Hamas attacks on October 7th were civilian, not military.
You're correct, I believe, in mentioning that many of them were military targets, but clearly there was a mix, right?
Some military, some civilian.
But one question I've been burning to ask you, and this is an earnest, honest question, Because many of my other sources have said they believe that the IDF, at least portions of it, were intentionally ordered to stand down in order to allow this attack to occur.
I'm curious about your thoughts on that analysis because I've heard you say that Hamas defeated Israel or IDF forces on that day, which clearly they did in some degree.
But is it also possible that some elements of IDF were ordered to stand down because the political benefits to Netanyahu of this attack have been the justification of this war on Gaza that is a goal towards a greater Israel?
What are your thoughts on that?
Look, I have worked with the Israeli Defense Forces in a very intimate way.
From 1994 to 1998, I worked with Israeli intelligence, Amman, on the Iraq weapons of mass destruction issue.
I spent a lot of time in Israel with these soldiers, shoulder to shoulder, going over the intelligence planning operations and such.
I will just say this.
The idea that an Israeli politician or an Israeli general would sacrifice in such a callous manner the lives of an Israeli soldier is absurd in the extreme.
No responsible person would ever think that the case.
The Israelis treasure Israeli life so much.
This is why they're in the fix they are because their military has an over-reliance upon technology.
Because they don't want their boys and girls to die in combat.
They make an overuse of air power to keep the enemy suppressed so they don't have to engage in this kind of fight.
The idea that an Israeli politician, even one as cynical as Benjamin Netanyahu, say what you want about him and I despise him openly.
He openly despised the man.
He served in the IDF. He served in the Sarayat Matkal.
His brother died at Entebbe.
And if you think Benjamin Netanyahu is going to stand by and let Israeli boys and girls be killed deliberately by Hamas, then you don't know Benjamin Netanyahu.
You don't know the IDF. You don't know Israel.
No, it's impossible.
Impossible that this could be the case.
I'm a big believer in the theory of incompetence.
I believe that the Israelis were incompetent.
I believe that the Israelis were asleep at the wheel.
I believe that they disregarded intelligence about the attack.
I believe they made a number of mistakes.
But the one thing they didn't do, and I will never accuse them of doing, is callously allowing Hamas to carry out an attack Of this scope and scale for political gain.
No, I reject that 100%.
Thank you for answering that, and I strongly respect your views on this and your analysis.
So that means, as I've heard you say in other interviews, that then Hamas defeated, they militarily defeated the IDF on that day, which shows, and I believe I've heard you say this, that, you know, the Zionists are not superhuman, right?
That they can be, I don't even want to say the word, I mean, they can be defeated as well as any other human being on this planet, and that some of what the Zionists tell themselves or tell the soldiers is, And I'm not saying that all Israelis are Zionists by any means, but they tell themselves that they are superior.
And is that giving them a false sense of competence that is perhaps not actually deserved?
And are we seeing some of that in Gaza right now with the casualties of IDF soldiers and some of the armor that's being taken out point-blank range by Hamas fighters with very few weapons?
Just a couple things.
First, let me back up just a second and talk about civilian casualties real quick.
On October 7th, there were three distinct civilian casually producing events.
The first is the military assault carried out by Hamas against the Gaza barrier, military barrier.
The military barrier around Gaza consists of a wall, other barriers, and then a series of military installations Interposed with kibbutz, the civilian.
But the civilian neighborhoods are militarized.
Please don't view them as Ma and Pa's little village in Iowa where they go out and they milk the cows every morning.
These are militarized facilities manned by settlers who are armed.
They are an integral part of the barrier around Gaza.
They provide basing infrastructure, logistical infrastructure, for the military bases.
So when Hamas launches attack, piercing the fence in, I believe, 17 to 24 distinct locations They pushed in and when they move into a kibbutz, they view the kibbutz as a military object.
And so, remember, there are defense forces in each kibbutz.
Some of these defense forces mobilized and were able to repel the Hamas attack.
So to pretend that these are innocent, defenseless civilians is absurd because the evidence shows that when the civilians had a chance to get their weapons, go to their duty positions, they repelled the Hamas attack.
So you're assaulting a kibbutz knowing there's a defense force there.
You have to come in hard.
And you have to carry out your objectives of suppressing that.
So you assault the homes where the armed people could leave, and some people got killed.
There's no doubt about that.
Were civilians caught up in the crossfire?
Absolutely.
But this is not targeted assassination.
This is a military assault against a military position where civilians were caught in the middle.
Now, the second kind of assault, once Hamas pierced these I mean, you're looking at the robotic cannons there.
Once Hamas pierced this defense line and moved on to their objectives, the holes in the fence were still there.
And what came through that is a second wave and a third wave of non-Hamas armed militants.
These are other Palestinian groups who were not part of the Hamas planning.
These were other Palestinians who had weapons, who had a grudge against the Israelis, and they came through.
These people I believe carried out the majority of the crimes against civilians.
These people came in with revenge in mind.
These people were the ones who shot the civilians indiscriminately, etc.
So that's the second level of violence.
But the vast majority of the Israelis killed were from the third level of violence.
And that is the Israeli defense response, which was haphazard and heavy-handed.
We know for a fact that in one of the kibbutzes, a lady has said, I was with 20 people who were held hostage by eight Hamas fighters.
The IDF came in and Hamas wanted to negotiate the surrender of the hostages and them.
The IDF opened fire, killing eight hostages and 18 Israeli civilians.
One was left wounded, one survived.
The head of security of the kibbutz says the IDF came in and indiscriminately fired.
At the open-air concert, the majority of the people were killed by a crossfire between Hamas and Israeli security.
This is the third level of violence that Israel does not want to talk about, because to talk about it will further shine light on the incompetence of the Israeli Defense Forces.
But that's consistent with the way Israel is treating Palestinian civilians, and we've seen Israeli officials say that there are no real Palestinian civilians.
They're all treated as enemy combatants, even if they're cancer patients in a cancer hospital, or a pregnant woman, or a child, or a refugee, you know, a wounded refugee.
They're all treated as combatants.
But to think that Israel would do that to its own citizens in order to increase the body count of the number of Israelis killed on that day, that's a horrifying thought.
But how does that...
Yes?
I'm not saying they did it to increase the body count.
I'm not saying that an Israeli general said, oh, there's only 600 dead people.
Let's kill another 800 so we have a big number.
What I'm saying is the Israelis were panicked that day.
Literally, if you look at the stories of the response, a brigade commander's at home because it was Yom Kippur.
He gets a phone call that the Hamas is over the wire.
He gets in his vehicle.
He drives towards the front line.
He stops at a truck stop, picks up two soldiers.
He stops at a base.
It's chaos.
He grabs people, puts them in a truck, and he rushes to the sound of gunfire, and he's panicked.
He sees People moving.
He doesn't understand what's going on.
He doesn't have normal command and control.
And so when there's a problem, they address it with gunfire, and there's no care for sussing out the problem.
They didn't say, who's in that building?
What's going on?
They simply said, Hamas, fire taken.
And many of the people they killed weren't Hamas.
The majority of the casualties were these Bumbling idiot Gazans with their guns running around having a party and suddenly the IDF shows up and they get in a firefight with these guys, but they're the ones that are intermingled with the Israeli civilians.
They slaughtered hundreds of Israelis that day.
The IDF slaughtered them.
Okay.
This is horrifying.
All of this violence.
I know that you would like to see a de-escalation of this as I would.
None of us want to see this violence taking place.
Scott, before we go to break here, give us your website or how people can follow your interviews and writings.
I put it all under ScottRitterExtra.com.
So if you go to ScottRitterExtra.com, that's my substack.
And there's also up there, you can find links to the various podcasts that I do, my own.
And then if I'm invited by other people, I always put a link up there.
And so ScottRitterExtra.com is the best place to go to.
Okay, got it.
ScottRitterExtra.com.
We've got about a minute left, and I want to get your take on the fact that a high-level Israeli official, the cultural minister, recently suggested the possibility of nuking Gaza.
He was then suspended by Netanyahu.
But, quickly, is this a confirmation in your view that Israel absolutely does have nukes?
I mean, I think the world knows that, but what do you make from that comment?
Well, I've read that comment.
I've looked at it very closely.
It's a...
He said nuclear-like.
And already you've had people say, for instance, Eva Bartlett, who's a pro-Palestinian journalist, has likened the amount of bombs dropped by Israel on Gaza to a Hiroshima-like event.
You know, a 12-kiloton weapon, 12,000 tons of high-explosive.
Israel's already dropped over 20 tons, so nearly two atomic bomb equivalents.
So people have said that without alluding to the actual use of a nuclear weapon.
He is responding to a comment made by a reporter.
He didn't initiate the nuclear thing.
Sorry to cut you off, Scott.
We've got to go to break.
Stay with us.
We'll be right back with former U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter right after this quick break.
All right, welcome back, folks.
Mike Adams here joining you from the Brighton Studios in Central Texas here on the Alex Jones Show, the second half of the third hour.
And we continue with former U.N. Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter at ScottRitterExtra.com.
But we are continuing with our geopolitical analysis with Scott Ritter.
Now, Scott...
Here's a question that I pose to people.
A lot of people like to take sides on this.
Obviously, you hear people, oh, I'm pro-Israel.
And I ask them, what does that mean?
Do you support everything that Israel is doing?
Or other people say, I'm pro-Palestine.
What does that mean?
Does that mean you support everything Hamas is doing?
And I tend to ask people, hey, if...
If some Hamas fighters were found hiding out in New York City, would you support the mass carpet bombing of New York City?
And would you tell the people who died there, it's your fault you didn't evacuate, we dropped leaflets, we told you get out of New York City, we're going to bomb the hospitals, we're going to bomb the universities, we're going to bomb the residential apartments to get those Hamas people and any civilians, well it's their own fault for being there because that's exactly what we're hearing.
In defense of Israel's actions in Gaza.
Does that sound about right of what we're hearing, Scott?
Yeah, I mean, it's completely indiscriminate what's going on.
Look, we've had situations.
We've had the Symbionese Liberation Army.
We've had the Weathermen.
We've had Black Panthers.
We have a history of domestic terrorists.
This is a police action.
It's a law enforcement action in the United States.
We've never, though, had a problem like Hamas.
Hamas is...
First of all, Hamas wouldn't be hiding in New York City, if we want to make the analogy.
Hamas is New York City, meaning that what Hamas has done is they are the government of New York.
It's like the mayor.
The mayor of New York City is Hamas, and he has...
He considers New York City to be occupied by the United States.
And so he's at war with the United States.
And what he's done to protect his government and his police force is that he's put them underground in the subway system.
And they dug even deeper tunnels.
And they're underground.
And so now they're in the New York subway system.
They're underground.
And they're fed up.
So they sorty out into New Jersey.
And they go over the bridge.
They take out Fort Lee.
They take out some other places.
They go down to Atlantic City and mess up the casinos.
And they go up to, you know, Mahwah.
And they take hostages.
And they come back with a bunch of, you know, James Gandolfini-type New Jersey mafia types that they've taken hostage.
And they have them down in the subway system.
And they're telling everybody else, come and get them.
Come and get them.
And so now we come into New York City.
We know they're in the subway system.
But what we have to do...
We ought to take down the Empire State Building.
We take down Macy's.
We take down Times Square.
We take down anything that has nothing to do with the subway system and everything to do with just punishing the people of New York.
That would be a more accurate analogy.
I see.
Wow.
Wow.
And, you know, on top of that, don't forget, Mayor Eric Adams has said that New York City may not survive the influx of illegals that are coming.
And then we're seeing now many leftists in Congress saying that we should take on the Palestinian refugees that are fleeing Gaza, a million of them.
And people who are more conservative are saying, no way, we already have too much of a migrant crisis, especially in places like New York City right now.
But what's your assessment of the real risk of extremism of some of those illegals in the United States?
Or maybe they were stable before, but now, because of these current events, they are easily recruited into extremist acts in America.
Do you think that's a real risk?
Look, you always have to be...
First of all, every nation has to be in control of its borders and has to be in control of its immigration policy.
You can't Make a definitive statement about a risk assessment if you don't know what the problem is, if you don't know who you've allowed in.
In the past, my wife is an immigrant.
She's from the former Soviet Union from Georgia.
She came here legally.
She was vetted.
They knew who she was, and there was a good reason to believe that she would assimilate into America, because we are a melting pot.
Not a single one of us, unless you're a Native American Indian, can say, "I'm from this area." We all came from someplace else.
And our grandparents, our great-grandparents, somewhere along the line, they came in and were absorbed and were expected to assimilate into what America is.
And we don't know how to define America because, I mean, if you go up to Minnesota, they have a different immigration base.
If you go down to Arizona, a different immigration base.
But they all call themselves Americans.
We believe in the Constitution, the rule of law, things of that nature.
So I'm not afraid of people who come in seeking to become part of America.
Right.
Me neither.
And even if your goal is done illegally.
I mean, I have sympathy for the illegal immigrant who says, I want a better life.
But the problem is, if you don't control this system, there are some very bad actors out there who will take advantage of the lack of certainty, the lack of security to infiltrate people in.
Now, do I want to condemn all illegal immigrants?
No.
But we do have to understand that there is the potential of this But see, these people would have been radicalized before they came in.
I'm not worried, to be honest, about the Palestinian-American community becoming radicalized by what's going on today.
In fact, I think the Palestinian-American community is becoming empowered by what's going on today because for the first time, they see the potential of the creation of a Palestinian state.
That's why they're in the streets.
Demonstrating.
Demonstrating the ultimate expression of American free speech, freedom of association, freedom to speak.
They're not blowing up buses.
They're not blowing up restaurants.
They're demonstrating, saying, we are advocating on behalf of this issue.
And whether you agree with them or not, it's the quintessential American way of doing business.
Okay, to add to that, and thank you for that answer, my wife is also an immigrant, by the way, legal immigrant, been an American citizen for 30 years at this point, but an immigrant from Taiwan, so I completely agree with you.
Many of the best Americans that I know are legal immigrants, by the way.
I mean, because they get it.
Many of them, I know people who came from, let's say, Iraq, and they lived through hell.
They lived through Christians being murdered, executed for their beliefs, and they came to America, and they understand the American spirit, and now they're Iraqi Americans who are, you know...
Mike, real quick, real quick.
Yes, go ahead.
You know what your wife and my wife have in common?
Tell me.
And it differentiates them from the majority of native-born Americans?
They had to take a test on the U.S. Constitution.
That's true.
They know the Constitution better than the vast majority of Americans who were born into the system but don't understand that which defines us.
So, God bless your wife.
God bless my wife.
God bless every immigrant who comes and becomes a naturalized citizen, and they know what it means to be an American more than many Americans born.
I see that.
The test your wife took.
I challenge your audience right now, the audience listening, be honest with yourself.
Go take the test, the constitutional test, to become an American citizen.
Take it.
Don't cheat.
Don't Google the answers.
Take it.
98% of you will fail.
98% of you will fail.
You're probably right about that.
And also, of course, you have to take the test in English, or at least my wife did, which means you have to have some mastery of the English language.
But...
Look, we're about to go to break.
Stay with us, Scott.
On the other side, I want to ask your detailed analysis of the risk of escalation into a much wider regional war.
I want to ask your opinion of can Iran be provoked because we see Senator Lindsey Graham clearly wants to provoke Iran to give justification for the U.S. to strike Iran and also Turkey.
Of course, we've got to talk about Turkey.
I'd like your bigger picture analysis of all of that when we return.
And I really appreciate your time here.
I know that a lot of what you say is controversial.
I want to remind the audience that this platform is a free speech platform and that our audience may or may not agree with everything you've said, but we believe in your right to say it.
And I think that you are operating in the interest of overall peace.
So please stay with us, Scott.
We'll be right back after this break with those questions straight ahead.
Alright, welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.
Mike Adams here, guest hosting today.
This is our final segment with UN Weapons Inspector, or former UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter.
And his website is ScottRitterExtra.com and he does a lot of interviews and he's also an author and of course geopolitical Analysts.
Now, Scott, I asked you before the break for your take.
I'll just turn it right over to you.
What is the risk of escalation that would bring this to a regional war that would provoke Iran or Turkey or Syria or other nations to get kinetically involved?
Well, this is a very dangerous situation.
And the reason is because Israel is panicked right now.
You know, Israel has for...
Several years now, considered this very scenario.
What would happen if all of our enemies attacked us at once?
Last year they did an exercise called Chariots of Fire.
This year they did an exercise called Firm Hand.
Both exercises were done with the support of the United States in terms of counter-Iran operations, because Israel learned from these exercises that they cannot take on Iran by themselves.
That if they're going to fight Iran, the United States must be involved.
Bad news for Israel is that neither Israel nor the United States, isolated or together, can provide the kind of immediate strategic defeat of Iran that would preclude an Iranian attack that would devastate Israel, destroy Israel.
And so Israel knows what the consequences are.
They also know that Hezbollah If they become engaged, it has 200,000 rockets.
200,000.
100,000 are unguided.
They'd saturate Israel in the first three or four days, exhausting the Iron Dome system, forcing them to use up all of their ammunition.
And then the final 100,000 are precision-guided rockets that would destroy every target in Israel.
Israel.
There's not 100,000 targets in Israel, but they would destroy the industrial, the military, the political infrastructure of Israel.
This is a reality.
Hamas troops, 50 to 80,000 of them are combat-hardened, well-trained.
They have tunnels that will take them into northern Israel.
And if Hamas engages decisively, there's a risk that Israel would lose northern Israel up to the Sea of Galilee.
Are you talking about Hezbollah?
Hezbollah, I'm sorry, Hezbollah, Hezbollah, yes, Hezbollah.
Okay, yes, I'm sorry, go ahead.
But here's the good news in all of this.
The good news is that Hamas did this by themselves.
Hamas did not plan with Hezbollah.
They did not plan with Iran.
That this took Hezbollah and Iran by surprise.
Hassan Nasrallah admits this.
He gave a major speech last Friday where he said, we had no clue that this was happening.
And it is, you know, we have been trying to come up with an adequate response.
We reached out to our Hamas brothers to say, what do you want from us?
And you know what Hamas told them?
Nothing.
Don't do anything.
We're in control.
We have a plan.
The plan is being implemented exactly the way we want it, because Hamas' goals and objectives in this are not the physical destruction of Israel, but the creation of the political opportunity for the creation of a Palestinian state.
For the first time in a long time, the world is talking about the potential of creating a Palestinian state.
This is because of what Hamas did.
Hamas wants 5,000 or more Palestinian prisoners who have been taken by the Israelis without due process, without charges, just put in prison, and they're held there indefinitely.
They want them released.
This is why they took the hostages, to exchange them for 5,000.
Israel's been taking Palestinian hostages on a daily basis.
There's over 130 kids, Palestinian kids in Israeli jail right now, for crime of what?
Throwing a rock?
Giving an Israeli soldier a dirty look?
You know, this is insane.
So that's what Hamas...
And then the last thing is Hamas wants...
And this should resonate with your audience, because I understand that your audience, many of them are fundamentalist Christians.
They're good Christians.
They believe in Christ, and they understand what a holy site is.
They understand what sites of religious importance are.
The third holiest site in Islam...
It's the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.
It's the third holiest site.
And Israel desecrates it on a daily basis.
Israel goes into the mosque and interferes with the worshipers.
Israel has gone into the women's section and beat up the female worshipers because they worship separately, the women and the men.
They've gone in and arrested men inside.
They've terrorized people.
They've thrown tear gas Tear gas into the third most holiest site in Islam.
Hamas wants that to end.
They want guarantees so that Al-Aqsa can be treated with the sanctity that a religious site of this level requires.
So Hamas did it on there.
And Hezbollah in Iran, they don't want this.
Remember, Hezbollah, Nasrallah, Hezbollah is a political party.
Lebanon is a nation recovering from a tremendous political and economic crisis.
Hezbollah is a political party that's dedicated to helping Lebanon rise up from the ashes.
They are politically committed to good governance in Lebanon.
The last thing they want is a war with Israel.
That would destroy everything because Israel once again bombed Lebanon.
Iran for generations now has been under American sanctions, strangling sanctions.
For the first time in a long time, Iran has the prospects of peaceful coexistence.
China just brokered a rapprochement between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
They're no longer enemies.
They're working together.
Iran joined BRICS. Iran joined the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
Iran is standing up and taking its own position in the world as an economic power.
The last thing they need is a war.
So Iran and Hezbollah do not want this escalation, but there is a danger Because Israel is so insecure that Israel may very well lash out against Hezbollah in a way that causes this problem to explode.
So Hassan, in his speech, has said his job is escalation management.
Yeah, right.
Escalation management.
Because, and I think you've spoken about this in other interviews, it seems like the BRICS nations are winning the long game anyway.
They're going to win the de-dollarization game because so many nations, you know, because the U.S. has weaponized the dollar, especially with cutting off Russia from the SWIFT system and then printing money and using money to send weapons to Ukraine and now to Israel— Seems like the BRICS nations know that if they can just hold out another year or two,
the dollar loses so much value that the Western nations are unable to meaningfully print enough value or even to keep up with munitions production that would be necessary to fight a war with the U.S. sending weapons to Israel.
Do you agree with that assessment?
Yeah, no, I mean, it's a sound assessment.
Let's put it this way also, to add to that.
Again, because Israel has gone in heavy-handed into Gaza, no one is speaking out in support of Israel besides the United States and a handful of European countries.
The entire world has spoken out against Israel.
The collective South, the BRICS nations, the developing nations, the G20 nations have spoken out.
This accelerates The economic demise of the United States because we are linked to Israel.
Israel is being further isolated.
We are being isolated with them.
We are becoming weaker every day we support Israel.
Now, I'm not saying that we abandon Israel.
There are many people out there who believe that we should be Israel's friend.
But, you know, You guys all know this.
You go to a bar on Friday night, and you got a really good friend out there, but he's drunk.
Friends don't let friends drive drunk.
You have to, if he gets in the car, turns on the engine, you have to reach in there and turn the keys off, take the keys away, and say, no, you don't get to behave in a suicidal manner.
If you're the friends of Israel, we have an obligation to do what's good for our friend and for us.
We don't let friends drive drunk.
Right now, Israel is a nation Drunk on arrogance, drunk on revenge.
We have to get the keys out of that ignition.
Are you saying we should cut off funding to Israel?
Well, first I'd start off by telling Israel that the United States can't support policy X, Y, and Z. And if Israel refuses, then I would tell them, then you won't get We have to start leveraging what we can.
Israel has taken America for granted too long.
They've controlled Congress too long.
Their policies have not been questioned by Americans for too long.
It's time that we start holding Israel accountable as being a separate sovereign state.
They are not an extension of the United States.
I mean, I think.
No, no, you're correct, but we could regain it simply by telling Israel that we provided you 2,000-pound JDAM bombs to protect yourself against Hezbollah and Iran.
If you drop another 2,000-pound JDAM bomb on Gaza, we will, A, demand all the weapons that we've given you to be returned, and if you don't return them, you'll never see another weapon again.
Not only that, we'll have...
We'll force AIPAC to register as foreign agents.
We'll start treating you as a hostile nation, however you want to play this, Israel.
Because I would remind the Israelis, A, you don't own us.
You know, Benjamin Netanyahu brags about how he owns the U.S. Congress.
And indeed, when the current Speaker of the House, the first thing he did, he didn't come out and say, I'm going to help the homeless, I'm going to help this, I'm going to help that, I'm going to help America.
No, he said he's going to help Israel.
What the heck is wrong with that picture?
If you're an American, that should disgust you.
And it disgusts me.
We have to tell the Israelis that while we're your friends, you are not of us.
You are not one of us.
You're not the 51st state.
We are not the same.
Scott, we've got to wrap it up there, Scott.
I apologize.
But the website for Scott Ritter, folks, is scottriterextra.com.
Scott, I want to thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with us today.
It's been a really intriguing conversation.
Well, thank you very much.
I hope you don't get in too much trouble.
Well, you as well, probably.
We'll see.
But thank you for joining us today here on the Alex Jones Show Free Speech Platform.
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