Mike Adams interviewed by Uncle Vigilante about Epic Cash, DeFi...
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Greetings!
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Greetings, everyone.
I am so excited about today.
You know, uh...
You know you are a highly respected voice when the likes of Robert Kennedy Jr., Donald Trump, when their teams are calling you asking you permission to come on your show.
Let me tell you, that's who we have today.
We have Mike Adams.
He is a major alternative influencer with a massive audience, and he has a powerful media platform, Brideon.com, and he is an all-natural health entrepreneur, HealthRangerStore.com, HealthRangerStore.com.
Mike Adams, it is a pleasure.
Thank you for coming on little old me, my show.
It is just a pleasure.
I can't wait to dig in.
Well, thank you, Uncle V. It's an honor to join you.
I have to thank you because I've learned so much from watching your channel.
I've been doing this deep dive into privacy-oriented technology.
Decentralized Finance.
And I've learned a lot from you.
Thank you.
And we've had a chance to talk personally, and I've learned even more in that.
So thank you so much.
I really appreciate you having me on.
My pleasure.
My pleasure.
And by the way, we do, Mike, have to give a proper shout-out to Josh Sigurdsson, who is the one who, during an interview with you, Josh mentioned Epic Cash.
That's right.
And that's where it all started, isn't it?
Yeah, Josh was just texting me this morning.
He's in Europe right now, and he was telling me about how crazy these 15-minute cities are, where there's like drones and cameras watching everybody.
Anyway, Josh deserves credit.
Actually, frankly, two or three people kept kind of pestering me about Epic Cash for years.
For some time, I kept seeing in the comments on my videos, like, you need to look at Epic Cash, but of course, you know, I hear that all the time, and only when I started to look into it did I realize, oh my goodness, you know, these people are actually on to something.
Yes, yes.
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So, I want to set the table, Mike.
And just before the show, I kind of wrote down, we of course, I named this A Better Bitcoin Than Bitcoin with Mike Adams.
And I give you all the credit for that title because yesterday, for those of you who didn't listen, please go to my last video that I uploaded.
And it is Mike.
Mike, on his podcast from yesterday to where he was riffing on Bitcoin and other privacy coins, including Epic Cash.
That is literally must-listen audio podcast.
Oh, really?
You like that one?
You know what?
Somebody, I saw it in our Epic Cash community, they call you Mike GPT. It's like you've absorbed all of this and you just so eloquently articulate it.
I'm jealous.
I mean, I've been doing this for two and a half years and I can't articulate the positive attributes.
Yes, you can.
No, I learned from you.
You distill it down to help the rest of us learn.
But I've been doing a deep dive for several months.
And just as a background, I used to mine Bitcoin on ant miner machines that were powered by solar machines.
When we had an office in Arizona, this was years ago, and we had excess kilowatt hours off our solar installation because the federal government paid a big part of the solar, and so we had extra solar.
So I bought ant miners, and I mined Bitcoin back in the day.
But yeah, and then I didn't like all the Bitcoin hype about, you know, it's going to go to a million dollars and everything.
And all this hype really turned me off from a lot of the crypto community.
And so I ended up selling that Bitcoin for physical gold.
So I turned sunlight into gold through Bitcoin.
That's great.
Back in the day, yeah.
And then now in the post FTX era, I see actually a lot more maturity and level headedness.
Even RFK Jr. talking about Bitcoin.
And now...
For me, this feels like a new renaissance in cryptocurrency.
Like, finally, a lot of more adult voices are in the room to say, hey, this is utility-driven.
We have to have some kind of money that the governments can't confiscate like Trudeau did in Canada.
But I'm getting ahead of myself.
Go ahead.
Well, you know what?
Speaking of background, for those in my community who may not be familiar with you, who've been living under a rock over the last, you know, 20 years, could you give us a little background on yourself and your different initiatives and platforms?
Yeah, sure, sure.
I'm one of the most censored people in the world, other than maybe Donald Trump.
I'm a holistic health nutritionist and food scientist.
I'm actually a published food scientist.
I run mass spec instruments in a food science lab.
We have six mass specs now.
We're ISO accredited and audited, inspected.
And using food testing then, I built a We have a pretty large online retail operation, healthrangerstore.com, for lab-tested clean foods, superfoods, nutrition, storable foods, almost everything certified organic, meticulously sourced, no artificial fragrance, no GMOs, no garbage.
Most of it's from the USA, not all of it, but we support American farmers, and then we make massive donations.
We just, actually, with the help of another individual, Who helped us fund this.
We literally, last week, we wrote checks to the independent media Of different donors for half a million dollars.
And I was just starting to get thank yous today from those people because they finally got the checks and they're like, whoa, this is saving my life to get this money.
It gives me goosebumps.
I'm telling you.
We're very blessed.
We have a big support base.
We do honest business.
And now I see, but I hope you don't mind me.
I mean, interrupt me anytime, Uncle V. Sure.
We just covered a story about New York City where Mayor Eric Adams is monitoring the food purchases of the residents of New York, and his goal is to reduce meat purchases by 33%.
The only way they're going to do that is by food rationing.
And the only way they're going to carry out rationing is by monitoring how much food people are purchasing, specifically how much meat are you buying.
Well, I think we should live in a world where the government can't tell you not to buy hamburgers if you want to eat hamburgers or whatever.
Or bacon or whatever.
So privacy-oriented money is going to be the key to outmaneuver the food rationing that's coming.
And I'll turn it back to you on that.
Well, you know, on that, I just want to share my screen real quick, just because, again, if people don't think this is coming, here's an example.
European lawmakers' draft reports include taxes on investor capital gain, transactions, and mining.
The draft, which was published on January 16th for the Parliament's Budget Committee, speaks about various taxes for investors' capital gains, transactions, and mining.
The draft report suggests the implementation of European attacks on cryptocurrencies where the revenue would flow into the European budget.
Regulating and taxing crypto assets at the EU level is more efficient than at the national level, given their high mobility and cross-border dimension, said the report.
So I read that to you.
I think it kind of marries with what you're saying.
And the key word there that you had mentioned is private.
So if they cannot surveil, they cannot...
Do this nonsense.
This is all about a mechanism of control.
And with that, I would like to set the table for the rest of this show.
And you're going to do most of the talking.
Believe it or not, community, I'm going to let my guests talk more than me.
It's all good.
Go for it.
And I think it's, you know, I'm always trying to distill things down to a level that all understand it, and in a way that succinctly we could communicate it to others.
We've found a better Bitcoin than Bitcoin.
Epic Cash is everything Bitcoin hoped to be, but isn't.
Private, unconfiscatable property.
Truly peer-to-peer.
Decentralized.
Scarce.
Fungible.
Scalable.
Permissionless.
Trustless.
Censorship-free.
Surveillance-proof.
With Epic Cash, I can privately send money anywhere, anytime, to anyone for any amount, in less than a minute for under a penny.
Nobody, and I mean nobody, can stop my transaction or confiscate my money.
This is true, undiscovered financial freedom for the masses.
Mike, what say you?
I think that's a very accurate statement.
Yeah, that's very accurate, and it's part of what I value in Epic Cash.
I want to be clear.
There are some other contenders that have some privacy orientation features, such as Monero, for example.
In fact, I have a rating chart here.
I have a weighted rating system.
I shared it with you before the show.
We can talk about it.
Tell me the header.
Well, so in my system, which I value privacy and being confiscation proof, and having what I call permissionless portability.
Now, I don't know that anybody's really talked about that, but this is the ability to take it with you without anyone's permission.
And in this day of refugees fleeing Venezuela, and, you know, understand that through my correspondence, like Michael Yan, we did a full tour.
Of the San Vicente Camp near the Darien Gap in Panama, and we actually interviewed people fleeing Venezuela, okay, families.
I talked to a 14-year-old girl and her family that were desperate.
With Epic Cash, you can take your money with you, whether you're a refugee from Venezuela or Los Angeles, by the way, or New York City, and Which is going to happen with, you know, the food rationing.
I mean, you know, I want bacon, I'm leaving New York City, right?
That's going to happen.
Or you just want to be able to drive a combustion engine vehicle at some point.
With Epic Cash, you can take all of your assets with you by simply memorizing the seed phrase of your wallet.
So it's portable because it's in your mind.
And, of course, with a lot of coins, you can do that.
With a lot of wallets, you can do that as well.
But you can't do that with a bank account.
You can't do that with physical cash because it gets bulky pretty quickly.
You can't do that with gold or silver because it also gets bulky.
If you try to take gold coins out of Venezuela and trek through the Darien Gap, you're going to get robbed and probably killed, and they're going to take your gold.
But they can't rob you of something that's in your mind, which is why what I call permissionless portability is absolutely key.
And Epic shines in that.
Epic on my chart scores 90 out of 100, which is the highest score of any asset, including gold or cash or anything.
Monero scores 83.
Monero has some limitations.
For example, the wallet ID is actually stored on the Monero blockchain.
It's simply obfuscated by other, maybe 15 or 16 other sort of fake wallet IDs, which means that one day that wallet ID could be potentially discoverable.
That's right.
Whereas with the MimbleWimble blockchain, as you know, I think I learned this from you, there are no wallet IDs stored on the blockchain.
So no matter what happens with quantum computers or breaking code or whatever, no one can ever know the ID of your wallet, which means that no one can find your wallet.
No one can take it from you.
It's money that you control.
May I just insert just an entrepreneurial idea here?
Yeah.
Maybe within your store, And I'm serious here.
Maybe within your store, there could even be a free download of PDF. I don't know.
But just something that would help people be able to memorize 20 words, 24 words.
You know what I mean?
Give them some tutorial.
Because I think when you say that, people are like, I can remember Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
That's about the extent of it.
I do think there's a there there, and maybe folks in the chat can do a little bit of research, and if there is a way to be able to help people, I would be interested in that.
Yeah, yeah.
I brought a big book on it, and it sat over there on my desk, and I have not consumed it, but I did memorize my words.
Oh, good for you.
I did.
It's 24 words.
I memorized them.
It took me from Tampa, Florida to Los Angeles to be able to do it.
But I did, and I nailed it.
And that was about three months ago.
And if you ask me what they are now, I couldn't tell you.
I need the pressure.
Well, human memory is sometimes fallible, so there are a multitude of ways that people can do this.
I've even talked about this on my podcast, but first you can memorize it.
And by the way, you know this, I'm a speedcuber, or I attempt to do it quickly.
My solves are about a minute right now.
Wow.
But I've memorized like 41 algorithms in order to do that.
And those are hard because they're all so similar.
With the seed birds, they're easy because they're so different.
Usually it's like tiger and sunflower and waterfall, whatever.
But the other thing is if you can't trust your memory, you can tattoo it in your pubic region.
And you can just like make sure nobody or if somebody's there and they're asking, what is this?
You know, like, well, I can't tell you.
My girlfriends.
They had weird names.
Right.
But, you know, you might want to mix up the words a little bit in case someone gets curious and starts writing those down.
You might want to maybe not let everybody into your pants is the other idea.
It's another form of security.
Yeah, I thought of a really good idea that then I realized is a really horrible idea.
I thought if somebody offered a service to where they'll create a custom book for you, and you could literally choose, you know, let's say every fifth word on a page, you would be the one who would control which one it is.
You could populate it and it would go through and then it would be impossible.
But if you gave that, it's the fifth word to the manufacturer, they, of course, would know.
And so it's a bad idea.
Yeah, but it's still tied to a physical object that you may not have with you if you're That's a good point.
It needs to be on your person or in your mind, ideally.
Note to self, shave your head, tattoo it on the back of your skull, let the hair grow back, you're all good.
But hey, before we get carried away, let me announce something here on your show.
I've kind of been saving it for this.
We are going to integrate Epic Cash Payments in not only our stores, which will be healthrangerstore.com and also varietyonstore.com.
And that integration is happening as soon as the Change Now integration goes live, because I watched your interview with, was it Bassam?
Bassam, amazing.
I loved that interview, and it taught me a lot about what's coming.
I mean, frankly, it's going to be amazing, all the integrations and the portability, but once Change Now goes live, My devs, they kick into gear.
They're ready to go to integrate with our online stores.
So everybody who has Epic Cash will know that they can always redeem it for storable food, organics, nutritional supplements, high-end supplements, turmeric extract, whatever, black cumin seed oil, all these things.
Have you seen my smoothie?
This is my life.
I drink smoothies.
I'm the health ranger, and this is what I do.
I'm all about nutrition.
There's turmeric in there.
And chlorella, by the way, blue-green algae, single-celled algae, also spirulina, but whatever.
In addition, because I do so many interviews, like you, Uncle V, I interview people.
I've interviewed probably 300 people in the last year.
Right.
And I started talking to some of the people that I know who run online retail stores.
Right.
And these are some pretty major players.
I can't name them yet, but I'm talking about, like, one of them is $100 million a year in online retail.
And others are in the tens of millions.
And it's very common for the people that I know to do this.
And every single one that I've spoken with, I said, hey, look, we're about to integrate this crypto payment system in our shopping cart.
And since we believe in open source, we'll share the code with you, whatever code it takes, a few lines of code, whatever.
Would you want to integrate Epic Cash into your stores?
Every single one of them has said yes.
I haven't heard a no yet.
So after we go live, it's going to have a domino effect of these other – Yeah, all these other retailers.
Plus, I'm launching another partnership with another major business guru.
Oh, tell us about that.
No, I can't tell you about that.
Oh, you can't.
Okay, never mind.
But it's about prepping supplies.
So it's going to have custom American-made knives and swords with a special metal alloy called MagnaCut that is corrosion-resistant, by the way.
So you can use confiscation-resistant money to buy corrosion-resistant knives.
LAUGHTER That will be a thing.
Think about it, Mike.
Epic Cash, backed by food.
Exactly.
Astonishing.
Now, is it okay to share that you have also had some productive conversations and one day we may be able to say epic cash backed by gold?
Oh, yes.
I have spoken to now two gold precious metals retailers.
One of them was right away because they used to take Bitcoin.
He actually mentioned to me that he had problems with Bitcoin because of tainted Bitcoins.
Shoot now.
Let's talk about that.
Everybody in the Epic community should already know that you've educated people about this.
Oh, by the way, as a disclaimer, I do want to mention I hold Epic coins, okay?
I also hold Monero.
I've bought Zcash.
Of course, I hold Bitcoin.
I bought a lot of stuff, and I'm running a lot of wallets.
I have way too many passwords to tattoo on my private parts, let me tell you.
There's just not enough room, I'm sorry.
That's why you need a harem.
Yeah.
But I'm running way too many wallets, and I've also destroyed wallets, and then I've restored them on other computers using seed phrases to make sure that that process worked.
And I was very happy with Epic Cash when I did that, that it came up and it said, okay, scanning the blockchain to restore your coins.
And I just waited a few minutes.
It didn't even take very long.
And then shazam, boom, the full balance was there on this other wallet.
Isn't it amazing?
And I had only entered the seed phrases.
I mean, I know theoretically it should always work, but you always want to try these things just to be sure.
That's right.
Well, I have noted over the last two months of your due diligence, you do like to try to break things.
Oh, and I successfully break things a lot.
And I did mining, by the way.
I did Epic Cache Mining, which pays you nothing, almost.
It's like, this is, if you really are good at Linux and command line interfaces, you're going to love mining, but Otherwise, the payoff is not really a big payoff, but it is important for the decentralization of the community.
So I'm glad lots of other people are doing mining, and maybe perhaps one day if those coins go up, that mining will pay off.
But for what it's worth right now, the mining is a big headache in my view.
So I'm not advocating people mine Bitcoin or mine Epic or mine anything.
I'm just saying use it.
Just use it.
Use the value of it, the properties of it, the privacy.
Yeah.
I want to talk to you about use cases.
Just from the beginning, you were just adamant to focus on use case, not store of value.
We'll unpack that.
But you recently did an expose on Bitcoin yesterday.
Everybody, go watch that.
I command you, go watch that after this show.
Yeah.
I don't know if expose is the right word.
I mean, I see Bitcoin and Epic Cash coexisting in a very friendly, sympathetic way, actually.
I think Bitcoin is the universal crypto that you can translate into anything else.
It's kind of like a common translator.
Can you please share what you shared with me last night regarding the invisible man?
Oh, yeah.
Okay, that was about Bitcoin being fully visible, that everybody knows your wallet ID and how much you have and so on.
So let's say you're a guy walking around a city, and if you're using Bitcoin, if you're holding Bitcoin, there's like a giant flashing Bitcoin dollar sign above your head that everybody can see.
A big orange coin.
Yeah, a big orange coin over your head.
You're walking around the city and everybody's like, oh, he has that much Bitcoin, that much.
Oh, he just spent Bitcoin over there at that cafe, at that Starbucks or whatever.
And then the minute you translate Bitcoin into epic cash, it's like you become the invisible man.
You vanish and you can walk around the city and nobody knows how much cash you have, where you spent it, where you got it, what you're doing with it.
No one knows, which is the way it should be, because it's like if you're in your apartment or your house at night, and let's say you're changing your clothes, you're taking off your clothes, I don't know, you're going to bed, taking a shower, whatever.
Don't you pull down the window shade?
You do.
I mean, don't you close the shade?
Because you don't want everybody in the world walking up and just watching you undress.
It's none of their business, right?
Yeah, it's kind of a right.
And it doesn't mean that when you draw your curtains, if you will, or your shades, that you're doing something nefarious, right?
No, you're not in there cooking meth.
You're just taking a shower.
But it's nobody's business.
You're not feeding puppies.
No, right, right.
The thing is that RFK Jr.
spoke about this very point.
It's never the government's business how much...
for what you're doing with them, as long as you're not buying illegal things like grenades or whatever.
But if your purchases are ethical, moral, legal, you wanna buy garden seeds, you wanna buy bacon, which will probably be a crime soon in New York.
You wanna buy CBD oil, right? - Yeah. - Because it's anti-seizure and it helps people with pain, right?
Or even you want to buy THC capsules that are usable in various forms of medicine, by the way.
We don't sell that just for the record.
We don't sell any cannabis-derived products.
But if you want to buy that stuff, that's your business as far as I'm concerned.
And the government shouldn't be monitoring or limiting or controlling what you do with your money, nor even knowing how much you have.
And by the way, I'm not in any way, I'm not saying, I'm not advocating tax evasion here.
You know, for most people, they earn money in the fiat world, they pay taxes on it, okay?
They already pay taxes, and then they take the after-tax money, whatever the mercy of the government allows you to keep of your own earnings, right?
That's right.
And then you put that into crypto.
You put that into Epic Cash, then poof, it vanishes from the surveillance grid of the government and the banks, and now you have instant control and privacy.
That's what I'm talking about.
You haven't evaded taxes.
You just now have private money.
That's right.
And you know, they say never meet your heroes.
This last week, I was interviewed by Leah Halpern down in Miami and decided to stick around and just walk around.
They were having the Bitcoin conference down there.
And so it was amazing.
There was a lot of people, and interestingly enough, the restrooms in the main area, they were having an issue with, but they had these porta-potties outside.
And I went out there, and I met Michael Saylor.
I have a picture of this.
And I could see his Bitcoin address.
It was amazing.
But it was pretty cool because Epic Cash showed up and Epic Cash is the...
The outhouse on the left that has the door closed.
But this is all in fun.
Private by default is what cash is.
And BTC is full transparency.
So again, I have to speak, uncle.
I have to see, uncle.
And this is seeing, uncle.
This is what it is.
Bitcoin is a surveillance chain.
And so there are companies out there, Chainalysis, etc., that's a $20 billion industry to be able to surveil that blockchain.
Think about that, Mike.
$20 billion.
Uncle V, on my chart, where is that?
Bitcoin scores 49 out of 100 on my current chart.
It's just my own scoring system.
Interesting.
Epic scores 90 out of 100.
Monero scores 83 out of 100.
The reason Bitcoin scores so low is because, of course, it doesn't have privacy.
It's not confiscation proof per se.
Mm-hmm.
Governments can order centralized exchanges to block specific wallet IDs, and they have done that.
Although the government can't necessarily take it, they can sort of make it a hassle to use it, which is almost the same thing.
It's kind of like the way in the SWIFT system they cut off Russia from its holdings in Western Central Banks.
There were like $300 billion that Russia held in Western Central Banks, and then after Russia invaded Ukraine...
The SWIFT system just said, oh hey Russia, we're deplatforming you from our system and you can't access your $300 billion that you have.
And what they did with SWIFT, they can do to us.
Think about it.
I have a saying actually I've used in a podcast.
Everything that the Western financial systems have done to Russia, they will do to you.
That's good.
That's great.
Not that we're in the same, you know, we're not in bed with Russia or Putin or anything like that.
I'm just saying that they have proven that they will weaponize financial systems to use them against us if they don't like what we are doing.
And so, yeah.
Go ahead.
I was just going to insert, say, so you're telling me that Bitcoin is not fungible?
No.
Well, no, seriously, let's talk about fungibility.
In your analysis, give us some examples of why Bitcoin is not fungible, why 1BTC does not equal 1BTC. Well, this gets back to my conversation with the precious metals retailer owner that I was talking to.
Thanks for bringing me back to that.
But he said he had problems taking Bitcoin before because those Bitcoins turned out to be tainted Bitcoins.
And he actually had Bitcoins that were, I don't know how many hops away from having previously been used by somebody else on Silk Road transactions or something.
And so he could not offload those Bitcoins and get them back into cash.
And in the precious metals industry, they operate on very thin margins, if they're honest dealers.
It might be a 2% margin, actually.
Wow, so he couldn't take those Bitcoins to any exchange?
He didn't tell me all the details, but he indicated he had problems getting those.
That's horrible.
That Bitcoin, he couldn't get it back into fiat.
So somebody was buying gold probably to wash tainted Bitcoin is really what happened.
So they spent the Bitcoin with him, gave him the tainted Bitcoin.
He shipped them physical gold, and then that person now has clean gold because gold is fully fungible, unlike Bitcoin.
Yes.
That's right.
So, if anybody watching doesn't follow that, you know, and I think Michael Saylor should be more upfront about this, but Look, Bitcoin has a lot of advantages.
It's got the most on-ramps and the most off-ramps.
It's the universal crypto.
And I think the best thing about Bitcoin is that it gives you options to get into things like Epic or other privacy coins.
But if you end up with coins in your wallet or just three or four hops away from somebody using those coins for something that the DOJ, let's say, considers to be illegal or some other international anti-money laundering group, Then they can actually target your wallet and they can say, well, your wallet's now tainted and they can demand confiscation of your wallet and create a lot of legal hassles for you.
They can block your wallet from being usable by centralized exchanges, which is part of the problem with Bitcoin.
Too much of the use is very centralized.
You know, most people really don't run their own nodes.
Most people...
You know how many people don't?
I don't know, 90 plus percent, 95 plus?
99%.
Yeah, that's a lot.
But also the blockchain is so large, right, for Bitcoin.
And that's another problem that Epic solves.
Because of MembleWimble, it's about 10% of the size for the same number of transactions.
It's just a more efficient way to stack data in a blockchain, which actually has huge implications for long-term portability and being able to run full nodes on mobile devices, by the way.
Think about that.
That's right.
So what you're talking about there, the blockchain being large, has to do with scalability, right?
Absolutely.
That's one of the attributes.
So talk to us about scalability as you understand it.
And it's really been interesting over the last...
Gosh, a couple of months since the notion of ordinals came into our atmosphere, right?
I just can't believe that.
I mean, look, I might take some heat for this, but I call ordinals graffiti on the blockchain.
It's like spray painting your art all over the walls.
Of a really fat streaker.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like, why would you use the blockchain as a data storage device for images?
Can you see my screen?
Oh, my gosh.
I'm sorry I did.
Yes.
I just saw that.
That's inordinal, everyone.
Yeah.
It's a streaker that's really fat, not very mobile, with tattoos all over because that's what ordinals are.
It's basically tattoos of, you know, it's NFTs on the Bitcoin blockchain.
But the very real effect is that it is further bloating it to the point to where two weeks ago to send a transaction from one wallet to another, if you actually wanted it to go through, You had to pay the premium.
You know how you can pay just the normal and then you can speed it up or you get the guaranteed?
$94!
What?
So if you had $100 and you just had to have it go, you'd be left with $6 on the other side.
Okay.
I thought it was only $30, which was still crazy.
$30 was the actual if you're just normal whatever, but if you had to move that money...
It was $94 premium.
Well, that's just not acceptable.
You know, cryptocurrency, it's got to cost just pennies to move.
That's right.
And it's got to be faster than, you know, three blocks of 10 minutes each.
It's got to be faster than that.
In your research with Epic Cash, Can you share with everyone approximately how much is a transaction, and in your experience, trying to beat things up, about how quickly does it take to actually go through?
And based upon that, can you see that being a medium of exchange in your shopping carts?
Can you wait long enough for somebody to send their Epic?
Well, yes, but...
I don't think that even if it takes five minutes, although it takes a lot less than that with Epic, even if it took five minutes, that wouldn't be a barrier for people to use it to make online purchases.
People want to use a privacy-oriented cryptocurrency for other reasons other than speed of purchase.
For example, like we talked about, they don't want their food purchases tracked by a government that's leaning towards probably food rationing.
So I do want to say, though, you know, in your situation, online, right?
But if...
Starbucks implemented it.
You know, they don't want it to be five minutes.
That's true.
Right.
So I'm thinking, ultimately, if you're going to bet on a horse that has a shot of being able to be, you know, implemented at retail, you know, obviously I'm biased.
I think Epic Cash is the strong frontrunner.
Well, I mean, that's to be seen in terms of can it be done in 30 seconds or less?
Will someone stand there at the Starbucks counter for 30 seconds and wait for the transaction to go through?
I don't know the answer to that.
Maybe it'll be faster than 30 seconds.
I've seen it happen in, I'm just guessing, roughly about a minute.
I don't know.
Does that sound right?
Is that what you're seeing?
Yeah, it depends.
I mean, if we're right there together, I think you and I, we did a test.
We did the test exchange when we were together, and it was...
But it was like, it was unconfirmed, though, but it was in the wallet, but unconfirmed for a couple more blocks.
So you know it's on the way, like you know the transaction worked, but you just need to wait...
But I think any retailer would probably, once it hits their wallet, they'd say, okay, two confirmations is enough.
And so that's where it can become literally seconds.
Good point.
But certainly, and again, not here to build ourselves up by bashing Bitcoin, but really, Bitcoin, kind of the hat...
Where they hang their hat is on store of value, right?
Well, yeah.
Let me throw this metaphor at you here.
You're familiar with, of course, international cargo shipping.
You have these massive ships that are loaded up with massive numbers of containers, 20-foot or 40-foot shipping containers.
Mm-hmm.
Some of these cargo ships hold tens of thousands of containers.
On these containers are pallets, pallets of products that are moved around with forklifts.
In my facility, we have truckloads coming in and out all day long of all the food and all the pallets and forklifts and everything.
Bitcoin is the cargo ship.
Bitcoin is slow, but it can hold a lot.
It's got massive volume.
So when you launch a Bitcoin ship, you can carry a lot on it.
There's a lot of cargo on there.
It's going to get to its destination.
Eventually, you'll be able to unload it, but you better not be in a hurry, right?
Right.
Epic Cash is more like the pallets.
The pallets can be moved around in a more nimble way.
You can put a pallet on a pickup truck, drive it around.
It's more nimble.
It's faster to deal with that.
Or maybe even you break it down and you have the cases of the boxes on the pallet.
And in my mind, you're moving assets around.
You're moving money.
Bitcoin is expensive and slow to get into and out of at the moment.
Epic is nimble and fast.
Nimble, nimble, wimble.
Yeah, nimble, nimble, wimble.
Yeah, exactly.
Right.
So that's my metaphor for that.
But the bottom line is we have to be able to engage in transactions.
And if you don't have privacy, you're really at risk of just...
Losing your ability to use your funds.
Yes.
I had an issue the other day.
I talked about this publicly where I was paying a shipping fee from an online retailer that has the name gun in it.
Okay, so it's something gun store or whatever.
And I had to pay a $25 shipping fee.
I wasn't even buying a gun, you know, for $25, right?
And I tried to put that fee on my credit card, which was with JPMorgan Chase.
Ooh.
Which I keep this because JPMorgan Chase is one of the banks that will probably be bailed out, and I still have to have some fiat to meet payroll.
That's true.
That's so funny.
Right.
So JPMorgan Chase denied the charge to the retailer multiple times, and I got the manager on and they checked the codes, and it was that JPMorgan rejects all purchases from retailers that have the word gun.
That's just nuts.
Yes.
Yes, exactly.
Right?
Because I'm pretty sure there are lots of other words that contain G-U-N that don't refer to firearms, by the way.
Right, right.
Like Gunite or whatever.
Yes.
Or Gunther, right?
Gunther's flowers, you know?
So your digits on your credit card, right?
Right.
That's not fungible digits.
Yeah, right.
That money's not usable.
So even though, of course, I have perfectly good credit, but Jamie Dimon doesn't want you to be able to use your money in your JPMorgan Chase Bank.
Well, if this retailer had just accepted Epic, we could have saved a half an hour and just, boom, it's done.
Here's $25 worth of Epic, or here, have some extra.
Yeah, that's right.
You know, go have a night on the town with Epic or whatever.
And I would have sent them extra.
I mean, just to avoid the hassle of the credit card.
Sure.
That's right.
I have a question, Mike.
You've gone through your analysis.
You have your specific system.
Would you mind sharing with the group here what the attributes are that are important to you and kind of the ranking and why you weight some heavier than others?
Yeah, and just understand, this is evolving.
I might upgrade this, and I'm looking for feedback on it, too.
But I weighted privacy as 20 points, 20%, 20 out of 100.
Confiscation proof also weighted at 20.
Those two things are 40% of my algorithm because...
If your money can be confiscated and if it's not private, it's just not that useful, period.
Right.
In this age of government confiscation.
After that, I have transaction transmissibility at 15%, which means the ability to send and receive it borderless internationally in an efficient way.
And gold gets dinged on that one because gold is a great store of value, by the way, but gold is very hard to send through email, obviously.
Right.
The next one, 10%, is permissionless portability, where you don't need anybody's permission to take it with you, and you can successfully take it with you.
Store of value is also 10%.
Scalability, the rest of these are all 5%.
Scalability, censorship-proof, meaning no one can block you from using your money, even if they...
Don't know that you have the wallet, but we don't want to be able...
We don't want them to block us.
Accessibility, which means the ease of acquiring it.
And right there, by the way, Epic gets dinged on some points because Epic is not yet...
It doesn't have as many on-ramps and off-ramps, obviously, as Bitcoin or even Monero for that.
Will that change in your mind?
Will our score change once we are integrated with ChangeNow?
Yeah, all these are dynamic.
So once ChangeNow goes live...
will be adjusted accordingly.
But of course, I need to test change now, make sure it's all working.
Of course.
Yeah.
Fungibility is five points.
And then recognizability is also five points.
So right now, pretty much everybody's heard of Bitcoin, which is why it's the universal crypto.
Not everybody's heard of Epic.
In fact, most people haven't, right?
Exactly.
We're undiscovered.
It's kind of shocking to me, frankly.
I really couldn't believe that Epic had so much really cutting-edge technology But that even I hadn't heard of it before now.
Actually, someone tried to tell me about it a year ago, and I blew them off, sadly, and it had to come back around.
But the fact that almost no one's heard of Epic Cash means that it is really undiscovered and has a lot of room to expand into utility.
Yes.
Why is utility so important to you versus win-moon, you know?
Yeah.
Well, because, I mean, a currency that people are just speculating on to make something go up and then sell it, you know, buy low, sell high, I have zero interest in the speculative side.
In fact, that's what turned me off from crypto.
I was very critical of a lot of the Bitcoin promoters.
I took a lot of heat for that, too, by the way, over the years.
But it was because of the hype, not the tech.
I've always supported peer-to-peer stores of value.
I've always supported decentralization, and I believe in that.
And I'm putting my money where my mouth is by working to accept crypto.
In our stores and also advocating for people to off-grid their money from the banking system to the extent that it makes sense for them and look at decentralized finance.
Suddenly, it makes a lot more sense than it ever did.
And we have banks collapsing now in the U.S., which hadn't happened before this year.
I mean, not recently.
But I would say that...
See, everybody talks about, well, what's the price of Epic going to go to?
I don't pay attention to that.
I pay attention to the utility of it.
All I know is when we accept it, more people will want to use it to buy the things that we sell.
And when I can convince more of the people that I know to accept it, I can buy stuff from them that I want to buy, like extra magazines for my SIG pistol or whatever, without going through JP freaking Morgan.
If I can convince my suppliers, which are a lot of American farmers and so on, organic farmers, if I can talk to my suppliers and say, hey, I want to buy 50,000 pounds of organic whatever, then Which is very typical for us, by the way.
And will you just take epic cash and you'll have the transaction like right now and the banks won't get involved and have all their fraud flags and halt everything and calling, oh, is this real?
Is this check real?
You know what?
Screw you.
I wrote the check.
Just honor the damn check.
I'm tired of banks telling me they won't honor the money that we're sending to other vendors, by the way.
about that.
Yeah, of course.
And also we lost $30,000 in the Silicon Valley bank collapse just because we paid money to a vendor through a service that, and that service was using Silicon Valley bank and freaking 30 grand vanished.
And I'm like, if I had just used Epic or even Bitcoin for that matter, the money would have made it.
Right.
But $30,000 got lost for a long time.
They finally found it, which is like, you're just proving to me that your whole fiat currency banking system is a piece of garbage that doesn't work anymore.
You know what, Mike?
I'm really happy that I came late to the party with crypto.
Just because...
I just think about it and I would kick myself, you know, long term, like let's say 2028 and we're looking in the rearview mirror.
I'd kick myself if I looked at Epic Cash as just a $25 million market cap coin when you have Bitcoin that's a $500 billion blockchain.
Is it?
$500 billion, yeah.
And if I was just so set in my ways that orange corn good, Bitcoin or shitcoin, and I didn't think through that historically, usually advanced tech wins.
Have you ever, have you read the Bitcoin white paper, Mike?
The Bitcoin white paper?
I don't recall one single white paper.
But the Bitcoin white paper, it's worth a read, Satoshi's white paper.
It's like eight pages.
But when you read it, you know, it's all about peer-to-peer.
He mentions trust 12 times, you know, never mentions store of value and any of that.
And so when I say that, you know, Epic Cash is really what Bitcoin intended to be, but just didn't have the tech at the time.
Yeah, that makes sense to me, yeah.
Right, right.
And so I've always said, and maybe for your viewers who end up watching this, the way I like to describe Epic Cash to people who are a little bit crypto-savvy is that if Satoshi Nakamoto, who was founder of Epic Cash, I mean, I'm sorry, founder of Bitcoin, he's anonymous.
We don't know who Satoshi is or who they are, if it's a group.
But if Satoshi Nakamoto today...
Had access to today's technology and all of the learnings of the last 12 years, and he could rewind in time, bring that technology with him, he certainly would have wanted private Bitcoin.
He certainly would have wanted scalable Bitcoin.
He would have known all of the issues of ordinals, etc.
And he would have launched...
Ladies and gentlemen, Epic Cash with Mimblewimble technology, with Cutthrough technology, with Dandelion, all of these things that make Epic Cash so special.
Now we're $25 million market cap, so what I like to share with people I like that a lot.
I had, for the Leah Heilpern interview, I had Enrique.
He's a wonderful numbers person in our community.
I had him go back, and from the Black Thursday in 2020, it was March 13th, 2020, when there was that crypto crash, when the world was going to hell in a handbasket because of the boogie virus, right?
So that was the worst day.
You know, that was like 1929 in the stock market.
And so that...
As the starting point, because I think that's fair, I had them go up to today and take a look when you look at store of value, and I had them compare gold.
You know, if you did, goodness, if you did, well, let me do percentages first.
Gold from three years ago to today is up 33%.
33%.
Now, Bitcoin kicks some butt.
It's up 425%.
Okay?
What?
Wait.
Bitcoin's up 425% from when?
400 from March 13, 2020.
I'll send you all of the information.
Are you sure?
Are you sure it's up 400%?
I'm totally sure.
As of the day that I had my interview with last Monday.
Okay, because I don't think Bitcoin's back up that high unless it hit some low that I wasn't aware of.
It hit a big low.
Oh, okay.
It hit a big low.
Epic Cash, now three years, Leah, she was saying, well, Epic Cash just hasn't stood the test of time.
So, well, Epic Cash in the last three years is up 14,250%.
And so, again, Bill Parcells, you are what your record says you are.
Yeah, but...
Okay.
But when you say stand the test of time, I look at Bitcoin and those, you know, dozen years versus gold, you know?
Okay, but I think the answer to that, though, is we have to look forward because we can always retroactively choose a time window that is favorable to whatever asset, you know, I don't mean to disrespect by that, but I think that if you look at the early days of Bitcoin, it had massive thousands of percents gain.
But then as it matured...
At certain points.
At certain points, right.
But we need to look at what it does from here forward.
And I strongly believe...
I don't like to talk Where it might go in terms of value, of dollar value, or even Bitcoin swap value, I like to talk to people about the utility value of it.
That more and more you'll be able to use Epic to buy the things you want to buy or to send money to people you want to support without government interference.
I think that establishes the value naturally, organically.
It does.
And whatever the price goes from that is organic and it's not, you know, manipulative.
I don't want to see speculators jump into Epic, frankly, and just, I agree.
But I think we can get there.
I think we both can play in this sandbox of discussion because kind of where I was wanting to go with this is people taking a look.
When I was saying, I'm glad I'm late to the party, is that when people look at Epic Cash and they just hand wave it and say, you know, oh, a $25 million market cap.
Well, what I look at is, yeah, but when you think about we are undiscovered and what happens when people actually start embracing the tech and embracing the utility of it, to your point, then what you, I think it is...
It is more probable that you're going to be in an appreciating asset within Epic Cash versus BTC, which is a half a billion versus 25 million.
I just think there's a greater opportunity when you're speaking to the farmers out there to, wouldn't it be great to be paid in an appreciating asset?
That's where I was going.
Yeah, but that's a maybe.
I mean, that's a speculative forward-looking statement that I don't want to count on.
From my point of view, and I've told you this, and I've said this publicly, I am personally in the process of transitioning my fiat bank savings completely out of fiat banking, especially out of J.P. Morgan.
Damn you, Jamie Dimon.
I'm taking it all out of there.
I'm putting it into two things.
I'm putting it into gold and crypto.
And of course, in crypto, I prefer Epic, but it's not the only coin that I'm holding.
But I'm doing this personally.
I would be thrilled, Uncle V. I would be thrilled if Epic...
Didn't gain and didn't lose a penny either way and just stayed right where it is.
I would be thrilled because the dollar is losing value every day.
That's a valid point.
Yes.
But the nature of crypto is it is volatile, which means it does go up and it does go down.
But I get your point.
But, you know...
I wouldn't be thrilled if it just stayed the same because I know it's volatile and it could go down a little bit.
It's just the nature of crypto.
But I hear you.
And that's what I've learned a lot from you is focusing on the utility.
And all of us who've been in this a minute or two, we do suffer from looking at our apps and the price and all of that.
Let me share something else with you that I think will add a lot of value to the context.
So I have a non-profit organization and we had a very wealthy donor that gave us half a million dollars to fund grants to independent alternative media.
We just sent out those checks last week.
I think I've told you about this.
And by the way, a lot of people are receiving those checks right now, and we're going to make that list public.
But I can tell you, Sherry Tenpenny thanked me for that.
Oh, nice.
Yeah, so she was like, this is awesome.
Thank you so much.
And a lot of other people are receiving those checks.
We sent those out through the fiat currency system.
On the day that we issued those checks, think about it.
Half a million dollars in donations all in one day, grant money from a non-profit.
The bill payment service that we used froze all the money, like said, no, we're not going to issue these checks.
They froze it and tried to contact us.
Of course, we were busy in meetings and everything, but they wouldn't even honor the checks until they called us back because, of course, fraud control flags.
So just paying money, just giving money away in fiat flags their fraud algorithms, which is insane.
It's not like we're stealing money from it.
It's just giving it away.
That's right.
In the future, and I kid you not, I am so incensed about this.
In the future, when my non-profit gives away money from now on, this is on the record.
Hold me to this.
I am only donating money in Epic Cash because I want it to freaking get there.
I mean, I'm tired of these banks calling me up and saying, oh, it's too much money.
It's like...
What is wrong with you people?
The banks steal billions with bank bailouts and money printing.
They steal billions, but if I want to move just half a million in donations, they flag it like I'm some kind of criminal.
I'm done with that.
I'm done with it.
I'm going to use Epic Cash for every donation from here forward.
And here's what my conversation is going to be like.
Oh, hi.
Hey, we love what you're doing.
Would you like $25,000?
Because I have that grant money for you.
And they say, yes, okay, download the Epic wallet and tell me...
Yeah, download Epic Pay, tell me you receive, boom, I'll send it, it's done.
That's it.
That's it.
Yeah, but what about the...
I mean, with all due respect, I do have to show some of our Achilles heel.
What about Epic Pay's...
Sorry, let me shut that off.
What about Epic Pay's fraud control team?
Yeah.
No, it's just private money.
It's private money, peer-to-peer.
Right, it's peer-to-peer private money, which is what we need.
That's what it's supposed to be.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like, my goodness.
And then probably that person receiving the money would say, okay, well, what do I do?
Like, I need to pay some bills.
How do I get out of Epic?
And then guess what?
I get to educate them about, you know, Change Now or whatever services.
Yeah, you can trade Epic for other, you can trade for Bitcoin.
You can convert Bitcoin into fiat if you want.
Or check this out.
Here's all these other places you could spend Epic, you know.
Here's all these other places you could spend Epic.
Here's a strategy where you could take 20% of your Epic and just hold it in a wallet and save it for a rainy day.
It's beautiful.
Uncle, I have found the fiat banking system to be a collapsing building.
It's like you're trying to get out.
The building is collapsing behind you.
Or it's like Indiana Jones running out from the first movie and this giant boulder is rolling and there's arrows shooting through the air.
And he's running out of this cave with his treasure.
That's what the banking system is like.
They're always just trying to kill you.
It's true.
Or smash you.
I just so appreciate you, Mike, because you just got me thinking over the last 10 minutes or whatever.
You know, when you were saying, I'd be happy if it just stayed the same.
Because why?
Because you're comparing it to fiat.
Can you educate people what's happening to the purchasing power of their fiat year over year today?
By my analysis, you're losing 2% of the purchasing power of your dollar every month.
Every month.
Every month.
Compounding month to month.
And of course, I include food in that.
So everybody buys food and you've noticed it took long for food to double, right?
Also, a lot of other things.
I mean, a piddly-ass little steak, you know?
Yeah.
It used to be an inch and a half nice steak that would be like maybe 20 bucks.
Now it gets you just as...
I mean, it's...
It gets to the point where I just say, screw it.
Not going to have any steak tonight.
And I, as a major buyer of food, I've had suppliers triple the prices to me.
And I talk to restaurant owners that I know.
I know a lot of entrepreneurs.
And restaurant owners have told me certain things like crab meat, for example.
Bulk crab meat, if you buy it as a restaurant owner, that's gone up 400% in less than a year.
Even just chicken breasts and things like that.
So you notice the government's inflation numbers don't count food.
No.
That's on purpose.
If you don't count food, it doesn't look that bad.
If you count food, it's horrible.
So your dollars are losing so much value.
And that's why I have advocated people look at gold and silver for all these years.
Because gold and silver, they are assets against inflation.
But gold and silver, again, especially silver, if you have a lot of it, you can't take it with you because you can't carry 500 pounds of silver, whatever you have.
It's very bulky.
And also, you can't send it remotely, right?
So I think the perfect combination is to have some precious metals for local trade.
So that if you have a very bad collapse scenario or the banks totally freeze up for some period of time or the power grid even fails for some period of time, you know, it won't happen forever.
But, you know, whatever, a few days or something, you can trade with people.
You know, you've got some silver.
You can trade.
You're good.
But for doing business and for having transactions and sending money to people that you want to support, even donating – RFK Jr.
said he will accept donations in Bitcoin on the Lightning Network.
And, you know, I interviewed RFK here on the show.
I'm very sure that he himself and his staff would be very open to learning about Epic at some point and accepting donations in Epic, which would be perfect.
Perfect.
Another use case.
Another use case, if I want to make a political donation, and that candidate is someone that the establishment doesn't like, whether it's RFA or Trump or anybody, you want it to be private.
Yeah, you don't want them coming after you and freezing your bank account.
Yeah, yeah.
Exactly.
And that can happen.
And that's why you shouldn't use a surveillance coin to make donations.
You should not.
No, I don't know why.
We just need to get his team aware of Epic Cash.
He's a very bright man.
And I've interviewed him several times over the years.
And he's very sharp and he's very open-minded.
Mike, where can people find that interview?
Well, on my platform, Brighteon.com, which is the free speech platform there.
I think it's up behind me.
Brighteon.com.
You can go there.
My channel is called HR Report, which stands for Health Ranger Report.
Or you can just search for Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
You'll find it.
Hey Mike, one day when I grow up, I want to livestream to Brideon.com.
Is that possible in the near future?
It's funny you should ask because The live streaming is the feature that we will build after we finish the tipping system.
So we've been working on this tipping system for two years because we want to allow viewers to be able to tip the content creators because Brighttown.com is a video platform kind of like YouTube but without the censorship.
And there's over 100,000 users and we buy bandwidth by the petabytes.
Wow.
Because we have a lot of users and viewers.
So we want to give people the ability to tip the content creators.
And we actually built a very complex system to allow tipping in fiat where people come in and they use a credit card and they make a purchase and then they get like tokens or chips or whatever we ended up calling them.
And then they can donate the chips to other people.
And then those people can cash out the chips for fiat.
And then guess what?
We have to get their 1099 tax documents and we have to report to the IRS.
All of a sudden, we're the custodian of people's fiat currency, which we don't want to be.
And then secondly, suddenly we're working for the IRS accidentally because we have to do all these documents.
And then people complain, oh, I cashed out this much.
There's a penny missing or whatever.
Oh, my gosh.
And I think you're at risk of being a security guard.
No, it's just too much hassle.
So as I was digging into cryptocurrencies and especially privacy coins, I had a discussion with my dev team, which kind of frustrated them because I said, you know all that work you've been doing for two years?
There's a better way to do that where we're not custodians, where we just let people tip each other.
And so I'm happy to announce here, thanks for reminding me of this topic, we're going to allow all of our users to enter their Epic wallet receive address on Brighteon.
And then if they choose to enter that, then that Epic receive address will appear beneath their videos and a user can click an icon and get a QR code or they can just copy and paste and anybody can donate to that content creator via Epic.
Guess what?
Another use case.
Another use case, Mike.
Another use case.
Yeah.
And talk about a step and repeat use case.
Oh my gosh, that solves so many problems worldwide with content creators.
Well, yeah.
And also then think about this.
So content creators, they get tips in Epic and then they can turn around if they wish and they can purchase food with that same Epic in our store.
And they don't have to translate the Epic into anything else.
So they're not paying all these translation fees, which can be considerable.
And the other thing is, Uncle, then we're not custodians of their money, which we don't want to be.
Because I don't want to ever have anybody accuse me like, oh, you kept my money.
No, we didn't touch it, man.
It went peer-to-peer.
Right, right, right.
Gosh, that's amazing.
Yeah, it'll simplify our lives, too.
Well, Mike, I want to be sensitive because I know you have that next phone call.
I do.
But you have been amazing.
Gosh, we have over 53 watching.
For me, that's, I don't know, maybe a record.
Well, wait until we post this.
I'm going to post this on my channel, and then we'll cross-post it on other platforms, and it'll pick up a lot of views, ultimately, over the next few days.
That's great.
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There, I said it.
And Mike, it's just ever since I met you, since we first started talking and then I had the good fortune of receiving an invite from you to come see your amazing facility and your studios and everything, ever since then it just feels like you're my twin brother from a different mother and it's just been so fun and I'm so grateful that you've spent almost an hour and a half on this show.
You're so easy to talk to, Uncle V. Look, I owe you a lot of credit.
I've listened to a lot of your content.
I've learned a lot from your channel.
I would encourage people to check out your channel if they want to stay up to date on Epic in particular.
Uncle Vigilante is the channel name, right?
It is.
And yeah, we want to get you live streaming on Brighton as soon as we have that tech available.
But first, we want our tipping system to be available.
But first, before that, we need to see the Change Now system go live.
So that's kind of the order of things.
Which...
With that, I think I want to give our whole community an update, okay?
So we know that Change Now, the target date is to implement on May 31st, so right around the corner.
I want to let everybody know, though, because I want to level set expectations, because if not anything...
Uncle V tells the truth, even if it's not what you want to hear.
I sense that there are expectations out there that when we integrate with Change Now, that Shazam, the Epic Pay Wallet, is going to automatically go from send, receive, to send, receive, buy, sell, and swap.
No, that's not going to be the case.
That's going to take a lot of UI work, and frankly, it's going to take another raise from the community to be able to fund that because Diego Salazar has real costs to be able to do that.
But that's what we're all about, right?
So I just want to level set that expectation.
There may be a little button that'll say buy, and then it'll be in an iframe or something that will go to change now.
But you will be able to buy Epic Cash online.
On ChangeNow, that's ChangeNow.io, and you will be able to buy with credit card, debit card, if you go through KYC. If you don't and you have crypto assets, you're going to be able to swap those for Epic Cash.
And when you do, you simply put your receive address of your Epic Pay wallet or your GUI wallet.
So I just wanted to be crystal clear on that.
We're also, though, going to integrate some code into BuyEpicCash.com, where it will be like you are buying from ChangeNow, but it will be all nice within our website, I hope.
I'm probably overcommitting something, Spencer.
I'm sorry.
Uncle, I would just say, look.
You keep building it, you and your team, you keep building the infrastructure, and I'm going to keep applying it.
Okay?
I mean, that's my bottom line.
Whatever you build, I'm going to use.
And I'm going to show others what we're doing and even share code with them, whatever code we write, you know, to integrate.
I'll just open source that code and share it with others.
I'm so sick of the banking system, of the fiat system.
I just want money that just does what it's supposed to do, which is go.
Go to that person.
Not get confiscated.
Privacy.
It's critical.
I just want money that works.
That's all.
So Epic Cash, as far as I can tell, is the best system of digital money that I've ever seen.
It's the best system that exists today from all the research that I've done and we intend to apply it in every way you can.
So whatever you build, I don't know all the names that you just mentioned there, but whatever they can build, we'll use it.
That's great.
That's great.
Wow!
What a live stream, everyone in the chat.
What do you think, huh?
Maybe give some claps in there.
And I have recorded this, Mike, so I will get that to you and your team.
But gosh, this was fun.
I hope we can do it every once in a while as we move forward.
Give people maybe a monthly update.
You up for that?
Yeah, I'm totally up for that.
As long as change now happens, I just want to see these steps take place because we need that too in order to integrate these things.
You know what's funny?
It's like we were having a call today.
I'm nervous because we haven't really heard from their deaths.
Nobody else seems to be nervous except me.
Okay, Mike.
Well, thank you very much.
And, man, this was awesome.
Everyone in the chat, thank you.
And we will see you on Friday at noon, Epic Cash Live.
Cheers.
Bye-bye.
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