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May 19, 2023 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Jason Crowe reveals revolutionary Qortal tech for distributed, censorship-PROOF content...
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Welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
And as a tech guy myself, you know, I used to own a software company.
I ran a lot of R&D projects and I helped oversee the construction of both our content management system and also Brighteon.com.
There's a special place in my heart for other people who run big tech projects and actually bring them to fruition because it's much more difficult than it first seems.
And we're about to, well, we are in the process of a major paradigm shift for human civilization.
We're moving away from centralized control over everything, speech, money, government, food, you name it, to decentralization.
And decentralization is, in fact, the concept that I think will guarantee humanity's liberty and even survival for the next few millennia or however long we make it before we blow ourselves up or build Terminator AIs or whatever.
So...
The decentralized applications environment or ecosystem has a very promising, relatively new organization, and we have the founder joining us today, and we're going to talk about this.
I want to give credit to Sayer G, who introduced me to this.
He's from GreenMedInfo, of course, and the project is called Cordal, which is just like portal with a P, except the P is backwards, so it's a Q. There's no U in it.
Okay, so it's Cordal.
Q-O-R-T-A-L. I have it on my screen.
You can just go to Cordal.org if you want to find out about this.
And we are joined now by the principal creator of Cordal, Jason Crow, who is quite an innovator.
And welcome to the show, Jason.
It's great to have you on.
Yeah, thanks.
It is awesome to be here.
Yeah, I want to thank Sarah as well.
It was really cool of him to hook us up and I was really excited when I first started talking with you because you got it.
You understood what we were doing, and that's really rare.
It's odd how rare that is, but it was refreshing to talk to you.
So yeah, it's been cool.
Thank you for that, and thank you, by the way, for taking the time.
You and I have spoken some on the phone privately where you helped bring me up to speed because like a lot of people, It took me a while to get my mind around this concept of decentralized apps.
They don't have a central server.
So can we start with the basics?
I know you've probably done this a thousand times, but please, for the sake of anybody new to this concept, tell us, what are decentralized applications?
So the idea of Quartal is to take what you use on your computer on a regular basis and remove any unnecessary middleman from the equation in every regard.
Right.
So things like Facebook, YouTube, Twitter.
Right.
All of those things, they run on a server and that server is owned and controlled by a company.
And now we're at the point on the Internet where basically the entire Internet is owned by a few large corporations.
Right.
Yeah.
There are a few little caveats, but.
The majority of the internet is owned and controlled, and we see how many issues come up because of that.
I've had multiple friends who have been removed and deplatformed from different platforms, right?
So they can no longer run their business or do the things that they do and get their word out, right?
And that's not how things are supposed to be.
So what a decentralized application is, is it takes that centralized component and completely removes it.
So when you run an application on Quartal, You as the user are downloading a copy of the application and running it locally on your computer.
You have the portal blockchain to handle the decentralized authentication and security.
And we do all the things differently than pretty much every other blockchain that you've ever seen.
Well, hold on.
We'll get into that.
You're about to get super tech on us here in a second, but we'll get into that.
But let's stick with the topography of it, because you mentioned something really critical there, that this is censorship proof.
There's no central server to take down.
There's no web domain to seize.
There's no corporation even to seize.
If there's a website or an app that's on Cordal, there are thousands of nodes running it all over the world, and every one of those nodes can replicate it again to anybody like a hologram.
So it's unseizable.
Is that accurate?
Yes, that is accurate.
And so the way that you have the domain system on the Internet right now, right?
You are essentially renting the domain from a company that just decided that they are the ones who own them all and they will rent them out to everybody, right?
So if you don't pay your domain fee every whatever year or whatever you set it up to, right, you no longer own that domain.
So that's not real ownership.
On Quartal, you do what's called a name registration.
You register that name and you own it.
And you then can publish anything on it That you own, that you actually own, right?
So it's a completely different concept, yeah.
Now, I just want to be clear for the audience.
We, here at Brighteon and Natural News, we intend to publish our content through Cordal.
that's accessible through Cordal.
But just to be clear, the way someone would access that website is through Cordal.
They would download all the static website files, and then they could view those on their local computer using any browser.
Is that correct?
Yeah.
So essentially the Cordal UI is a browser.
We are going to do a lot of improvements on that and make it a lot prettier and nicer.
But what it is right now is essentially a browser.
So you authenticate with it, your account is authenticated then with anything that you view inside of Cordal.
Whether it's our wallets, the trade portal, anything hosted on top of Cordal, your account is authenticated automatically.
So that also removes Username, password combinations for a bunch of different services and things like that.
Yeah, that's really critical because the Cordle ecosystem handles security, which you were about to get into.
I'm sorry for interrupting you.
No worries.
But as a result, I mean, even my own developers, they've only begun to really look at your environment.
But one comment I had from one of my developers was, wow, you mean we don't have to worry about authentication of logins?
Yeah.
And I said, yeah.
You know, what's so cool is so one of the main developers who's been building the two main demo queue apps that we have right now, right?
Because we just launched the queue app functionality, the underlying ability for applications to be published not that long ago.
So the main developer who's been doing the majority of the demos right now, he is just impressed.
He's like, I don't have to focus on any of the difficult parts.
He's like, all I have to do is just literally build the application.
I don't have to worry about authentication or any of the security type stuff.
I literally just write the app that I want and publish it.
He said it was 10 times easier to build on Cordal Than it was to build on the traditional internet, which is obviously really awesome.
So, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's really important.
And just for those watching who are developers, I believe React is one of the languages.
Node.js, is that...
I mean, what can people build apps using?
What kind of...
So, yeah, pretty much any language that is client-side.
So a language that runs on the client's machine when it is used, right?
So nothing like PHP or anything like that.
So it's going to be mostly right now JavaScript.
React is basically a JavaScript framework.
That's totally possible.
That's what most of the QApps right now are being developed with, which is like the primary one that pretty much all interface developers are using.
So it's really straightforward.
It's actually pretty straightforward to build with too.
So that and TypeScript, Anything client-side will work.
Okay.
All right.
Makes sense.
And then does the local client environment have to have, you know, obviously JavaScript just installed?
Well, yeah.
It's all just browser-based, basically.
So we've already got all that built into the UI. And we also, you can access this stuff from the Internet, but we try to limit that, right?
We actually want everyone to be doing this in a completely decentralized fashion.
It is possible to do what I have set up called a gateway node and that can be on a traditional domain and you can access things that are hosted on Quartal in that fashion.
But what we have done is made it so that all of our users actually run full nodes because we want our network to actually be decentralized.
That's where I think a lot of the other crypto projects and blockchain based things have kind of failed.
They've not made it really easy to run full nodes.
People are reliant upon some other centralized component.
We want to remove that.
We want everyone to be utilizing this in a truly decentralized fashion because that's the only way it's actually legitimate.
That's one of the reasons why I'm really attracted to your project and why we will be supporting it and building for it.
And also, by the way, whatever we build, we will contribute in an open source manner to your community because that's, I mean, we better be.
I mean, we all better share our knowledge if we hope to have a chance against the Borg system, you know.
I agree with you because a lot of cryptos have really become strongly centralized.
Bitcoin is one example.
So almost everybody that runs or, let's say, interacts with Bitcoin does it through a centralized exchange.
Many people don't hold their own keys.
A lot of people don't even know what that means.
And as a result, I mean, who's running a full Bitcoin node these days?
Who's even doing Bitcoin mining these days?
And when they are mining, they're mining to a pool.
So they're not running their own node to mine with.
It's completely the opposite of anything that's actually decentralized.
And I think, honestly, that this was kind of done with intent by some people who want to basically re-centralize it, right?
So that they can control it again.
It's back to the ones who already control everything now have figured out a way to do this as well, right?
So that's what I kind of feel personally.
But your project, I see what you are building as, and this is not hyperbole, but I see this as one of the key critical pieces of technology for a free humanity because this escapes centralized control.
It gives power back to the people.
It lets anyone publish without censorship, right?
So let me ask you a technical question.
Let's say that I publish something on Cordell and you hate it, Jason.
You hate it.
You absolutely hate it.
I don't know, it's a recipe for cherry pie and you hate cherries or whatever.
Can you ban it?
No.
I mean, can you destroy it from your network?
My node doesn't show it to me, but as the lead of the developer team, no.
We cannot do it.
It's not possible.
That's the thing.
It's not censorship resistant, guys.
It's literally censorship proof.
Now, this doesn't mean that each individual user on their own node cannot block the content for themselves.
Right.
That's just like blocking channels you don't want to hear.
Right, exactly.
So you, as the user, you have full control over what's on your note or what you want to be able to see on your note, right?
But as anyone else trying to control what anyone else is doing, no, it's just not possible.
Can't be done.
And also importantly, so you are not representing a central corporation that is publishing all of this content in any way.
So that's the thing, right?
The future has to be built in this fashion.
Something like Quartal cannot be owned.
If it's owned, then we're going to get right back into the same nonsense we're dealing with now.
It has to be completely community run and community developed.
And to give a good example of this already functioning right now, the developers who are currently the most active working on Quartal, they were not part of the original team that I tried to put together to get this built, right?
So it's already working as intended.
And it's going to continue working in that fashion.
There is no company on top of it.
Yes, I do have a company, a hardware company, and that's dedicated to building hardware for people to run Quartal, but it is not on top of Quartal, right?
Quartal is way too big to have a company on top of it.
Yeah, you know, that's fascinating.
And just in full disclosure, I have become one of your customers, although I'm awaiting whatever you're building for me.
It's done.
I just need to get it shipped out to you.
I've been so busy.
Sorry about that.
No, it's great.
I can't wait.
I'm really looking forward to that.
I like to immerse myself in everything that you're doing.
I want to see what you're up to with the hardware.
But while I was waiting for that, I went online and I purchased a little stick computer.
It's like the size of an ice cream sandwich, and it runs Windows 11, which I know is not our favorite operating system.
But it's common.
This stick computer, I think it has 8 gigs of RAM on it and some small SSD storage.
And I just want to see, will Cordell run on this thing?
And it does.
Yeah, it does.
It does run on it.
So that was one of the key things, right?
So the very original idea of a blockchain-based system, Bitcoin, right?
Yeah.
It was supposed to be able to run on normal computers.
It was supposed to empower the people to run on their own computer, help to run the network, right?
That was the whole idea.
But it got centralized because of proof of work, and it got on other hardware that runs it more quickly and so forth.
And so now it's like you have to buy a bunch of these machines and fill a warehouse with them.
And that's another issue with proof of work, and that's why we don't use proof of work either.
But the whole idea is the person is supposed to be able to run on any normal computer that they have and run the entirety of the network.
And this goes down to we have made it possible on even a Raspberry Pi 4, which is a semi open source device.
But we are going to build the next one off of the RockPi, which is actually fully open source hardware as well.
So we really want to open source everything and make it possible to run for everyone.
Right.
Yeah.
So also see that opens it up to a lot of developing countries where incomes may be very low.
So that hardware you were just talking about, I think people can acquire that for, what, like $20 in some cases?
I mean, it's gone.
So that's another thing where they, like, have now...
Chip shortages caused from things that have gone on.
But it's still, you can pick one up around $100.
And the Rock Pie is a little bit less expensive.
So we're going to try to get it out there as low as we can.
And obviously everything that Croetic Hardware builds...
We make all of the stuff, how to do it, you know, videos, walkthrough guides.
We even give the 3D printer file if you want to print the case for the devices yourself, right?
So we do not have any intellectual property.
We run our company the same way that the philosophies of Cordal, right?
So yeah, we allow everyone to build their own or if they would like to, pick one up from us, right?
Yeah, exactly.
That's fantastic.
And again, you can download and run Cordal on a lot of different pieces of hardware right now.
And I encourage you to do so, by the way, folks, for you watching.
Just go to cordal.org, download it, and it will then download the bootstrap for the full node.
How many gigabytes is the full node right now?
So this is something that I wanted to talk about, too.
So actually, this weekend, We are rolling out a little bit of a scary update for the development team, but it should be just fine for the rest of you.
We are rolling out an update that's actually going to make the full node database 4 gigabytes.
Whoa!
Which other blockchain do you know that actually got smaller in size as it ran for a longer period of time?
Well, how did you do that?
Yeah, our developers are absolutely incredible, right?
So we have right now a method that we call Archive V1. And now Archive V1 takes a lot of the data and archives it and stores it in archive files.
Now, these archive files are still accessible via the API, so you can still use them as if they were not archived, right?
Now, Archive V2 goes a step further and makes it 4 gigabytes.
It's incredible.
So we're doing that update this weekend.
So if anyone waits until Monday or whatever to install, they'll only have to download a very small bootstrap, which will be even smaller than 4 gigs, then extract it to 4 gigs, and that's the total size of the full node database, which will be crazy.
Wow.
Wow.
I mean, by comparison, how big is the Bitcoin blockchain right now?
I think the last time I checked, it was over 700 gigabytes.
So you need basically a terabyte drive dedicated to just the database.
And Bitcoin is just a coin.
Yeah, it's just a coin.
We have over 43 transaction types.
We are not just a coin.
We can do a ton of things, and our database is four gigabytes after over three years.
So, yeah, it's crazy.
Well, okay, yeah, that's extraordinary.
And it is worth mentioning, yeah, this is not about a coin, although there is a wallet inside your cordial system.
And I noticed, I think you prefer Litecoin in that environment.
Is that...
So it's not that I prefer it.
It's really that the Trade Portal prefers it.
So the Trade Portal is a layer one to layer one truly cross-chain trade platform.
There's no wrapping coins.
There's nothing in the middle at all, right?
So you're actually trading directly from one blockchain to another, right?
So we have six supported coins.
We initially started with Bitcoin because, yeah, Bitcoin, first coin, whatever, right?
So we wanted to start with Bitcoin.
But the problem with Bitcoin is...
There's a couple of things.
Bitcoin transaction fees, right?
Oh my gosh, through the roof lately.
Yeah, especially lately, people have been publishing all kinds of pictures on the chain, which is just going to hurt the chain.
Don't even get me started.
I call that blockchain graffiti.
Okay, that's graffiti.
That's insane.
So the transaction fees are insane.
And also the chain being a 10-minute block...
And you need to have multiple transactions on both chains involved in order to do a real cross-chain trade.
So for Bitcoin, you're looking at at least three confirmations, which means at least 30 minutes for a trade to take place, right?
So Litecoin is much faster and fractions of a penny for the transaction fee.
So it's a better coin to trade with for cross-chain trades.
Same thing goes with Digibyte, Ravencoin, and Piratechain.
All of them are, and those are even faster block times, so those trades happen even more quickly.
But yeah, so it's really, Litecoin is our primary market.
It was the second coin we supported, and it's the one that gets the most use.
So it's really the market, yeah.
Okay, let's talk about the economics here in a second.
Let me just summarize something before we get there.
The coin of your realm is called Quart, Q-O-R-T, correct?
Correct.
Now, for disclosure, I have purchased some Quart because I'm checking it all out.
I'm trying everything.
I'm buying and selling and withdrawing and moving and transferring.
I've installed Quartal on, I think, five computers at this point.
Awesome.
Yeah, and so far everything's working great.
But Quart is the coin, and then people can use Litecoin in order to trade for Quartz.
Is that correct?
Yes.
So you can use any of the supported coins.
We have a trade pair on the trade portal for every supported coin.
Bitcoin, Litecoin, Digibyte, Ravencoin, Pirate Chain, and Dogecoin, right?
Yeah.
And yes, we support Dogecoin just because it's hilarious.
I know.
It's like I'm thinking that's a joke coin, right?
Right, it is.
And it's just funny that a joke coin actually became so popular.
But yeah, so you can use any of the six supported foreign coins is what we call them in the system, right?
You can use any of those, and we have a local wallet that you control, that you can dump the private keys for, for each of those that's tied to your one portal backup file.
That's one other thing.
So I've dealt with so many different crypto projects in the past, and I had a whole virtual machine that was just dedicated to storing different wallet files, right?
So the idea is I wanted one backup file that I could store that would back up all of my wallets for me.
And so that's the idea of the Quartal backup file.
You have that, and of course it takes care of your Quart wallet, but it also takes care of all of the other wallets and gives you accounts on all of these other chains automatically, right?
So we have all of those.
So all you have to do is if you want to trade on the most popular market, which is Litecoin, you just go to your wallet section, get your Litecoin address, copy it, send Litecoin there, and then you can trade.
And we also have a function called AutoBuy, Okay, so cross-chain trades are a lot different than centralized trades, right?
Yeah, but our audience may not be aware of what does a cross-chain trade actually mean.
I don't want to get too technical, but you're not going into fiat first.
You're trading one blockchain asset for another blockchain asset.
Yes, exactly.
So we do not touch anything centralized at all.
So that means we cannot do direct fiat trades because that requires a bank account.
It requires something centralized.
So Portal does not do anything centralized at all.
So the only way that we can have a market is to have a cross-chain market.
So we have the support for Litecoin and the other supported coins.
And you can go and see listed sells.
Right now, we only have listed sells, so you'll see people selling court.
But we also have the ability to do basically a buy order with auto buy, wherein the buy order doesn't show up publicly.
It's just for you to know.
But you can use that to buy court automatically from the trade portal so you don't have to sit there and wait for the trade to complete and then do another one.
Because there's a lot of little complexities that come along with cross-chain trades.
We've tried to make it as straightforward as possible, and that'll keep getting easier over time, too.
Okay.
All right.
Makes sense.
But I want to get across the point to the audience that this is not about a coin.
I mean, that's just sort of the, I don't know, can I call it the gas of the ecosystem?
Pretty much, yeah.
The coin of the realm.
But the big point of Cordell is about content and apps that are distributed, correct?
Correct.
Yes, exactly.
So you could almost call the coin an afterthought, but there is some necessary components that without the coin we wouldn't be able to do, such as the cross-chain trades and what we call ATs, which are the ability to automate certain transactions and stuff like that.
Quark has the technology for that.
There is a need for the coin to exist, but it's really not the focus of the platform.
We do have also a much better model for the distribution and an ability for anyone to take part in it.
So we do have a lot built around the coin, but it's not ever focused on the coin.
The entire platform, the idea is to decentralize literally everything that you deal with on a regular basis on your computer.
Yeah, exactly.
And that's why I'm interested in this project because I really don't have much interest in, let's say, just another coin if that's all it was.
I want to be able, as a publisher who has been specifically named by the White House and targeted for deplatforming.
Yes, that's on my resume.
Yeah.
Of course, I'm concerned as this tyranny grows in our world, not just the United States, but around the world, I'm concerned that rogue governments are going to, of course, seize people's domain names, especially if they start World War III and then they say everything's an emergency and we can do whatever the hell especially if they start World War III and then they say everything's an emergency and we can do whatever the hell They'll do it again and they'll just start seizing everybody's domain.
main names and and by the way in ukraine zelensky shut down all independent media and consolidated control over the press so uh the only press that are allowed to exist in ukraine are pro zelensky press think about that wow that's all supported by nato and the united states by the way So this is not some wild theory.
This shit's happening right now, and people need to understand it's happening.
So the reason I'm interested in Cordell, Jason, and why I'm so happy that you're here is because I want to be able to...
Number one, tell all our audience and fans that if they take down Brighteon.com, guess what?
You can download Cordal and you can find Brighteon eventually on Cordal.
And they can't take that down.
That's my goal.
Yeah, no, that's perfect.
I mean, it's literally the ideal use case, especially, you know, for someone like yourself.
Like you said, you were targeted for takedowns and pulled off of all the platforms.
You are the ideal use case for publishing on Quartal, right?
Yes.
And now that we have Qblog, we have the ability to just go on, publish videos, publish pictures, publish even files now.
now.
We also have QMail, which allows you to send encrypted messages back and forth.
We are about to do encrypted group messaging with that.
And you can tie an encrypted attachment to that too.
So that's also going to keep getting more and more functionality and so forth.
But yeah, we've got this ability now to do this.
Yeah, I forgot to mention QBlogs.
So I haven't used it much yet.
I've just played around with it.
But as I understand it, Qblogs, it could be a replacement for, let's say, like a Telegram or a Twitter or something where you post your content there.
People can follow you if they choose to and they get all your content.
Yep, that's it.
I call QBlog the future of what a blog is going to be because it's actually going to end up becoming almost like a drag-and-drop web builder.
You'll be able to build an entire presence with it.
For now, people don't seem to realize that basically any social media platform is just a blog at the base level.
It allows people to make posts.
It allows people to comment.
It allows people to potentially message each other.
So, Qblog is going to leverage that and be able to make basically any type of social media platform built on top of Quartal's distributed infrastructure.
Okay, all right, cool.
So let me do this.
Let me give my audience some homework because they love it when I do that.
Homework item number one is to download Cordel at cordel.org.
Download it, install it, start running it.
Secondly, then, and I probably better register this name before this interview goes live, but I need to register the name Brighteon, which I haven't done yet, but I'll do that tonight.
And then Natural News and so on, you know, I'll register a few names, which cost a little bit of court coin, correct?
I've registered one name already.
And then, folks, if bad things happen in terms of censorship where our sites are taken down, you will find us on Cordal.
So that's something you can install right now.
And in doing so, you can strengthen the network of nodes that are replicating content.
Because, Jason, one criticism I have right now is that I noticed that the content sharing of entire websites can be kind of slow.
But that's just a function of how many nodes are running, right?
Right, exactly.
So, I mean, it's literally the exact opposite of anything centralized, right?
So, with something centralized, you've got a server and you've got millions of people or whatever accessing that server.
It's going to get slower as more people use it.
Now, with us, each new person that accesses the data becomes another piece of data, the same data in different locations, right?
So, it duplicates that data and gives the next person another location to download it from, too.
So, it gets faster, right?
As more people use it.
So yes, absolutely.
Like if you were having any sort of slowness accessing certain sites, it could be that, you know, there are only a couple nodes that have that data and you have to actually be connected to a peer that has the data or connected to a peer that is connected to a peer that has the data.
So yeah, so it's, you know, the more people that have it, the faster it's going to be.
And how well do you think this is going to work for videos?
Because, as you know, my vision for this is to build a Brighteon app, which, you know, that's a lot of videos.
We might have to start just with one channel as a test, like this channel as a test, and then expand it over time.
But we're talking about, you know, video files at 720p that, you know, the bitrate on those, you know, 6 megabits per second times however many seconds, there's some pretty sizable chunks to be passing around.
Yeah, so we have been testing this already.
I have personally probably published the largest videos that are there right now.
There is currently the 500 megabyte single publish limit.
That is imposed on purpose because we are testing things and we don't want things to be super large right now until we make sure we improve things, right?
So we have already improved the loading times of videos by a massive margin.
And the videos that I've been publishing, so I recently was able to get a two hour long video down to about 170 megabytes.
And it was able to load very, very quickly.
A person tested it.
He said the longest it took him to load on one of his nodes that had less peers was about two minutes, which is not bad, but in normal times, it was about 30 seconds on most nodes that I had people test it with.
So 30 seconds to get the video and start playing it, right?
And now this is going to keep improving as more people have it, more nodes have copies of it, and so forth.
Then we improve more on the back end to make things transfer a little better and so forth.
It's already been working surprisingly well for video.
And also, the way you encode the video is going to play a little bit of a part, especially while the single publish limit is in place.
So encoding the video to make it a little smaller and so forth is probably a decent plan.
But yeah, I've been playing around with all that kind of stuff too.
But it's been actually surprisingly good.
Yeah, that's great.
I'm glad to hear that, and we're going to continue to experiment with this and work.
But even my devs, this is a whole new thing for them, too.
So there's a learning curve.
Although a lot of aspects of development are easier, there's almost the aha factor of like, whoa, wait a minute.
I have to rethink as a developer, what am I doing here in order to build this stuff?
But in essence, apps or dApps, distributed apps, are things that interact with the Cordal blockchain in one way or another, typically.
That's pretty much the encompassing structure of it, right?
Yeah, they will use the blockchain for the authentication to get a logged-in user.
And anything else they can basically build into the application.
They can publish data on QDN or grab data from QDN or get authentication from the blockchain.
Yeah, you have a bunch of interactivity that you have that's possible via an API that you can just call, right?
It's actually really simple for a developer to do this.
It's really not difficult.
Once they start understanding it, they're going to be like, oh, wow, I can build app after app after app in no time now because they don't have to worry about all the security and all the authentication and the difficulty that comes along with that and maintaining the user database and all of that kind of stuff, right?
So all that goes out the window.
They can just focus on literally the app and what they want it to do.
So it's actually really cool.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Very good.
Let me ask you a couple of tough questions.
I know you've addressed these because I've listened to a lot of your updates, by the way, that you've posted out there, quite a few.
You've already addressed these, but I'll ask you here.
So one of the concerns that I think a lot of people would ask is, well, okay, what about...
Is your network going to be used for porn?
Is it going to be used for illegal videos, snuff films or whatever?
And this gets to the core question of censorship and decentralization.
So I've heard your answers on this before, but you go ahead and address that because this is key to the principle of distributed information.
But go ahead.
Right, yeah.
So we are, for one, again, there's no company on top of Quartal.
We're not a hosting company, right?
We're not saying, like, come publish your stuff on our stuff.
We're saying publish something on your computer that then gets distributed out to the rest of the network that accesses or follows your content or is set up as what's called a data supernode, which synchronizes all of the data, right?
So there are a couple fundamental things about QDN, right?
So all of the data...
That gets published on QDN becomes encrypted and chunked so that if you were not accessing the data from a portal node, so say like an ISP trying to see data going by or whatever, they cannot do that, right?
It would just look like garbage to the portal node, you can't see it.
It's encrypted chunks nonsense.
So as far as like whether you have this data on your machine or not, it's really up to you.
If you viewed the data Then you would have it on your machine, unless you decided to delete it, right?
Or if you follow a name that you know is putting out content like this, then you would have it on your node too, right?
So it's totally up to you.
Whether someone publishes something is not really relevant, right?
Unless you are seeking it out and trying to find it, you will not find it.
You will not have it on your computer.
You don't have to worry about it.
It's like the same thing as like, you have to think of it as the internet itself, right?
So just because there are some things that could potentially be like that on the internet, that does not necessarily mean that you are seeking it out and looking for it, right?
Right.
So you can't blame the internet itself for what it gets used for.
It's the same kind of concept there, but we have a lot more underlying protections that are in place.
So yeah, you can obviously block any content that you find that you don't like.
We will down the line have ability for a group to control this kind of thing so people will be able to point out stuff.
And you'll be able to throw your account into a group that will then block this content automatically on your node or things like, you know, child safety to be able to do for like my son, my nine-year-old and say, you know, child controls.
Well, okay, so wait a second.
Let me clarify that because you may have just raised some red flags in some people's minds.
You're saying that you as a user, you could voluntarily join a group, a group that has certain content standards.
And those content standards would apply to what is filtered or allowed to come through to you.
But of course, joining that group is entirely voluntary.
Right, of course.
Everything's voluntary.
You have full control over every aspect of anything that I mention, right?
So that's always just a given.
And sorry, I should point that out probably a little bit more.
But yeah, anything I say that is possible, you have to opt in.
No matter what it is, you opt in.
You choose to do it, right?
Yeah.
Right, okay, good.
That's clear, because there is a case to be made for, like, parents with children, obviously.
You want to have child-friendly content, or people of a certain religious persuasion may want to have content that's friendly to their beliefs, and so on.
And so that makes perfect sense, as long as it's voluntary.
Because, obviously, if it's not voluntary, if some group has...
Then we're back to, like, Elon Musk moderators deciding what is a fact.
Right.
No, you have to put yourself in the group to begin with.
So if you don't do that, then nothing's going to happen unless you decide for it to happen, right?
So it's the same idea.
But yeah, nothing at the base level is controlled by anyone else.
It's all controlled only by you, right?
So if you decide that you put yourself in this group that does this...
Then that's on you, right?
So you can always pull yourself back out too, right?
It's not like anything that you're stuck in forever.
Wouldn't it be wild if we could live in a society where all of our decisions, I mean, everything was voluntary instead of things being forced upon us constantly?
I know.
You know, licensing and conformity and you must obey.
I've had some interesting experiences with banks recently and trying to have credit cards charged.
The most recent thing was a shipping fee from a gun store.
I just needed to pay a $25 shipping fee.
It wasn't even a purchase for a firearm.
And my JPMorgan Chase credit card declined it because the name of the merchant contained G-U-N as part of the name.
Oh, wow.
Yes.
So I immediately was thinking, well, here we go again.
If they can block gun store or whatever, or gun magazines or ammo stores or whatever, because I'm a Texan.
I mean, I go through ammo.
We have to maintain proficiency.
So if they can do that, they can block anything, and that's exactly where it's all headed.
Right, and that's the thing, too.
If we put all of the power back into the hands of the people, then that's not possible.
If I send a payment out on Quartal, it's going out.
There's nobody that can do anything in the middle.
The payment is going out.
It's a push system as opposed to a pull system that exists now on the banking side of things, which is always going to be controlled.
Well, yeah, and the controls keep getting a lot worse in the traditional banking system.
I mean, really, really bad since COVID. Let's talk about mining versus minting, because you have a really unique model that does not burn electricity to do proof of work, but also, I think, doesn't have built-in scarcity either.
It does, yeah.
Limit.
To a certain degree, but the model is completely different.
Okay, yeah.
Explain it because it's new to a lot of people.
We wanted, like I said a little earlier, we wanted everyone to be able to do it, right?
That's the whole idea.
We want anyone, no matter where you live, with a tiny little computer, it doesn't matter, right?
We want them all to be able to do this.
And so we can't have it based on proof of work because proof of work just means you're going to end up having to buy a bunch of hardware and whoever has the most hardware wins, right?
That's basically it.
Then the same idea applies in a more direct way to proof of stake, where it's like, you have more money, you get more money for having more money.
The rich get richer, yeah.
So we wanted both of those out the window, and a new consensus model that does not reward based on either of those things.
It rewards based on your contribution being a full node for a longer period of time, right?
So all you have to do is get your node running, Then yes, you do get a key given to you from another mentor who's level 5 or higher, who's already been in the system long enough to reach level 5.
You talk to them, say, hello, I would like to be a mentor.
They give you a key.
You use that key for 7,200 blocks.
That's your, like, prove yourself period, right?
You get to 70, 200 blocks.
You become level one.
The person who gave you that key gets nothing.
It's not any sort of pyramid or any nonsense like that.
They're just helping you.
We have to limit minting account creation because if we don't, it just gets right back to the same exact thing where whoever has more nodes gets more power and more influence.
So it has to have a limit of some kind.
We've made it a human limit where the human gets to decide which new human comes in as a minter.
That's it.
You run your full node, you have that key assigned, that's all you have to do.
The longer you do that, the more blocks minted you get, the more influence you get in the voting system, which then is going to decide a lot of the future of the platform, and the more you earn over time, right?
So it's all about how much time you contribute and measuring that time.
Okay, so it's proof of time running a full node, or proof of contribution over time, let's say.
Yep, yeah.
And 7,200 blocks, you said, to become level one mentor.
What's your block time?
It's set at 60 seconds, but the consensus still needs a little bit more tweaking.
It's been running between 70 and 75 seconds, so it takes about a week for you to get to level one.
So you run this key given to you by your sponsor for...
One week, essentially.
Then you become level one.
Then you create your own minting key.
You're back on your own again.
Assign that key.
This is all done with a click of a button, by the way.
And it takes care of it for you, assigns that key to your node, and that's it, right?
We also have a memory-based proof of work that's part of this.
But that memory-based proof of work is just to limit how many minting keys can be assigned to a single node.
So that we don't get someone trying to assign a ton of them to a single computer, right?
So, yeah.
Okay, so, and then the economics actually make a lot of sense in the sense that when you're running a full node, you are contributing to the network because you are moving traffic.
You're sharing content and, you know, you're...
Well, you're running the consensus for the blockchain itself, but you may also be sharing content with other nodes that are requesting content from you.
So you're functioning as a relay, which is...
You're helping to expand the network into simple things, yeah.
And then you're receiving some kind of reward, which would be in courts.
Yes.
Okay, and those quartz, then some people can purchase them through the trading system that we talked about earlier.
Right.
Okay, and so the supply of quartz, how is the supply limited in the long run?
Right, okay.
So yeah, that's another thing where...
Okay, so Bitcoin is all about being digital gold, right?
It's all about, like, just being an asset that's going to go up in value because there's a limited supply.
Now, this has a lot of other issues that come along with it, right?
Like, what happens when, which plenty of times this has happened, people lose wallets with however many coins in it.
That's gone forever, right?
True.
What happens when that happens so many times, how many coins are even going to be in circulation anymore, right?
It gets to a point where it's kind of crazy, right?
So what we did instead is put a limit on the block reward.
So there's a limit on the block reward, and there's an absolute max and an absolute minimum of the block reward.
But there's not a max on the total supply of coins that will exist.
So we've limited, essentially, the inflation, right?
So you have, it starts at 5, and it goes down by.25 every six months in blocks until it gets to 2.
Once it gets to 2, it stays there.
Unless a specific type of vote that can happen once per year in blocks takes place and it can be increased or decreased by up to one in either direction in 0.25 increments with an absolute minimum of one and an absolute maximum of five, right?
So it'll never be more than five court per block ever and it'll never be less than one court per block.
Wow, okay.
Community deciding.
Yeah, right.
So this is actually fascinating.
It's the first time I really understood that better.
So every roughly one minute, there could be anywhere from one to five courts created.
It follows an initial schedule, and right now it's at four, I believe, or 3.75.
I can't remember off the top of my head, but I think it's at four.
Okay.
Yeah.
But that's across the entire ecosystem.
Right.
So all the people who are participating in the proof of time share in that reward.
Yeah, that's another thing.
So Bitcoin is all about competition.
We're all about sharing, right?
So every single mentor shares the reward every block.
So you're not just worried about who can sign the block and who can win that block.
It's all about sharing and working together to grow the network, right?
And then at the same time, no one has a $1,000 electric bill because they're running miners in their basement and heating their home in the summer with proof-of-work algorithms.
You can do it literally with a tiny Raspberry Pi that's a 5-volt computer that you can run on a small fold-out solar panel if you want to.
What about running this?
I have not installed Cordal on any kind of mobile device yet.
I haven't done that.
So, it's possible, but we don't have, like, direct mobile applications built quite yet.
So that's not yet a focus.
It will be, of course, and that will open up the doors for a lot of other things to take place.
But you will be able to run Cordal on a phone.
We need to get our light nodes a little bit more functional so that they have more transaction types and things that they can do.
But the whole idea, ultimately, is that you will be able to run Cordal.
On a phone with a light node and have all of the functionality except for minting.
And then if you want to, you will be able to turn your phone into a full node and mint on it if you feel like it, right?
It's not gonna make it super hot.
It runs fine.
I've actually run it on a phone already.
It does work.
But we are not quite to the mobile compatibility front quite yet.
Okay.
Well, that was one of my questions was because with your blockchain being so small, it can fit on a lot of mobile devices, which is quite amazing.
And then if the nodes can run on mobiles and minting can be done on mobile devices, then that opens up, we're talking now billions of people with the potential to run this.
Yep.
Without sapping, you know, battery power and without taking up all the storage.
Of course, it'll take a little bit because it is a piece of software running all the time.
But yeah, it's not like going to peg your CPU and run it and make it super hot or anything like that.
Yeah.
Right.
So, okay, that's truly fascinating.
So is it fair for me to describe Cordell as still kind of early stage?
Because, you know, it's not fully mature yet, but you've proven a lot of things already.
Yeah.
It's just a really, really, really big focus, right?
Like, we've got a massive platform.
Like, it's not just one little coin that does one little thing and allows you to send money, right?
Like, no, it's way more than that, right?
So, yeah, we've had to put focus on development on one thing and then move it to the next and move it to the next and then sometimes have to go back and fix little things or whatever, right?
So, yeah, three years in now and...
It's now very stable and very good, and we're about to get to the point where the database is 4 gigs on desktops.
Now, from this point on, we're going to be doing a bunch of QApp development.
There are people who are working on mobile apps, but I personally don't want to see an official Cordell mobile app, and we're using that term very loosely, right, that doesn't have...
Full decentralization.
So we need to have light nodes first before I'll be happy with a mobile app, right?
But yeah, we have light nodes now, but they can only do a couple of transaction types.
So we need to get a little bit further with that.
And yeah, it won't be that far, I don't think.
But yeah, we are, you know, very well established on the desktop side is what I can say right now.
And of course, we're just now opening the door to QApps.
So yeah, it's still relatively early on for sure because this platform is going to run indefinitely, right?
It's not...
We're not ever going to be reliant on one thing that could potentially fail and cause it to be a problem, like Bitcoin and SHA-256.
We are able to manipulate whatever and continue on.
It's supposed to be able to outlive all of us.
Yeah, really good point there as well.
Let me ask you another technical question though.
So how are you and the developers compensated?
I understand that this is being done for passion primarily because you want to live in a world that's free.
I get that.
And I do too.
And that's why we're going to contribute to this.
And I know you and others are contributors as well, but everybody also has to pay for food.
Right?
Yeah.
At some point.
Right now, that is not a simple thing for me and a couple others to do at the moment because I have dedicated my life to this platform.
But, you know, the original idea that I had was to build a large Bitcoin mining operation and to have that fund The early stages of the development of the project.
However, the Canadian power company had something else to say about that and shut down my $600,000 operation I was building up there.
So that put me in a difficult spot from the very beginning.
If it weren't for the developers just loving the platform and wanting to build it, it would have never become a thing.
It was just incredible that this platform was actually able to be launched in the first place.
Because of that, I have personally invested every single dollar and every single amount of time that I can over the last, what, 10 years now I've been doing this?
And yeah, so right now, yeah, we get compensated the same way as pretty much anyone else.
By minting, right?
So right now, with the coin price being ridiculously undervalued, our total market cap at 1.6 million, which if you look at any other...
Wow!
That's it?
Yeah, that's crazy, right?
We have more functionality than any of these other joker platforms in the top 20 or whatever, and they have hundreds of billions of market cap.
We are at 1.6 million with five point something million coins.
So it's ridiculous, man.
But yeah, so like right now, we are not really getting compensated nearly what any of the developers are actually worth.
Yeah, it's really going to come down to we do need some people to realize the value of the platform and assist that value in at least starting to get more realistic, right?
Yeah, and that's why I invited you here.
That's why I want to help with this project, and we want to contribute in lots of different ways.
But the first way is just with this interview, and that's why I appreciate your time so much.
But I also want to be clear to the audience, you know, folks, this is all free to download, free to run.
There's no charge for this.
Huh?
Yeah.
Not only is it free, but you can earn from it by just from your computer.
Yeah, exactly.
That's true, just by doing minting over time.
But, you know, there's no membership fee, there's no upfront fee, there's nothing.
Just download it.
Download it, install it, run the node, and start playing with it, because we're going to be on it.
You know, Brighttown and Natural News and I'm sure a lot of other publishers will see this video and they will say, oh my gosh, well, we should be on it too.
Yeah, we all should be on it.
Yeah, and one single name registration, you can publish a website or any content that you want that will be there indefinitely as long as there's at least one node that has a copy of the data, right?
Right.
That's it.
It's really that simple.
If you just have 10 followers, right, 10 followers and 10 nodes, That's it, right?
You publish your content and immediately it goes out to at least those 10.
But we've already got 15 or 20 data super nodes on the network.
So basically, you publish something, it will be there indefinitely.
There's no continual fee.
In fact, you can publish the data for free.
You can literally publish the data with a free transaction, which most blockchains don't do that at all.
That's true, yeah.
We have our memory-based proof of work tied into multiple different transaction types so we can make those completely fee-less, which is awesome.
Yeah.
And then the more of you watching this, the more of you who run it, then, of course, the faster it gets, the more resilient it gets.
And I would say, you know, good luck to the State Department if you want to issue confiscation subpoenas to 157 countries and, you know, 50,000 users all over the planet.
Good luck.
It's not going to happen.
No.
I mean...
They can make any sort of laws and legislation that they want.
Like, okay, go ahead and try to enforce this.
Like, yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Makes you wonder how the centralized, because we've been living throughout human history under central control this entire time, you know, under kings and kingdoms, and then now under, well, big tech control and government control, media control, education control.
They really aren't ready for rapid adoption of decentralization across all these areas.
They don't really know how to answer that.
No, they don't.
And you can see that even by the legislation that they've been trying to put out now focused on existing projects like Bitcoin and so forth.
Some of them were trying to say that they were going to try to regulate every P2P transaction.
But if you're using your own node, it's impossible, right?
But that's the thing with Bitcoin, though, is that most people are not using their own nodes.
So they will be able to get away with this to some degree because they're going to just regulate the exchanges and any sort of hosted services, right?
Right.
It's not a thing.
Every single one of our users runs their own full node, which is something you can't really say about any other blockchain project, which is crazy to me because that's really the whole idea behind it all, but none of them do it.
Well...
I'm looking at a couple of projects in addition to Cordal that also share that, by the way, but they're not well known.
And so I agree with you.
And the other people I'm talking to also agree with you that this has to be about decentralization.
So another thing, too, is if we do find projects like that, we can build support for them.
Cordal is not just one coin.
It's an entire ecosystem.
So if we find another project that's totally in line, great.
Let's support them.
Let's build support for them, too.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, there's no downside to what you're doing.
I mean, it answers so many issues.
It is pro-freedom.
It's pro-humanity.
It's pro-free speech.
It allows you to self-publish.
It is censorship-proof.
You know, a lot of people use that term censorship-resistant.
I heard you talking about this on one of your podcasts.
It's like, no, this isn't censorship-resistant.
It's censorship-proof.
There's no such thing as censorship-resistant.
What does that even mean?
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, they can't shut it down.
What does that mean?
The only way to shut this down is to maybe end the entire global power grid, in which case you have far worse problems.
Right, yeah.
We will get to the point, too, where we will not need internet service providers either, right?
So the longer-term goals of Cordal are to have a global mesh network, too, and hopefully a wireless technology that's not harmful and a beneficial one, right?
So I see longer-term, like, really, you know...
We want to have mesh network connectivity so that you can just directly connect to other nodes that are nearby.
We've got this on mobile and half as many people that use Facebook right now were to switch to using Cordal.
We wouldn't need the internet at all.
Yeah, and I'm not sure everybody tracks what you just said, but I know there are some brand new chips that can broadcast and receive some pretty substantial distances, and if a number of people run those locally, that creates a mesh network, which is relay nodes for content, and then you don't even need an ISP. You don't need Internet services.
You don't need Comcast.
Yeah.
You use these mesh devices as your TCP IP carrier, in essence.
Yep.
That's it.
And it won't even be TCP IP because I found another project called Reticulum, and they have built a mesh communication protocol that gets rid of the need for IP addresses as well.
And it's automatically establishing with any wireless thing you have connected to your computer, automatically establishes the network based on all of them, and automatically fixes itself.
It's absolutely ideal.
So that's what I would like to see built into Quartal as a connection method.
So yeah, then that's all we'd need.
Wow.
Wow.
Then I can see people driving around cities like the rebels in their Mad Max vehicles running mesh network broadcast devices to free the citizens.
Got a big antenna on the car?
Right.
Like, tune in!
You can get the truth here!
Who knows?
It may come to that.
But, Jason, before we wrap this up, and thank you for the time you spent with us so far, what are the action items that people can do to help support your project?
I've already mentioned everybody should download this and install it, just run it, play with it.
But beyond that, what can people do?
So, yeah, we do need some, you know, and I hate to even talk about it, but we do need the financial support as well.
So, And this is just more like supporting yourself in the future because if you pick up Cort, it's a long-term investment wherein you are now going to have a coin that you can use for any vendor built on top of Corto, which we already have a couple.
There are going to be a lot more.
You'll be able to use this Cort for your daily needs, right?
So it's an investment in your future at the same time.
But yeah, we need some people to pick up some Litecoin, put it in their wallets, and help trade and keep the value of Core ticking upward.
Because that also allows us to then have more flexibility with what we can offer to more developers to get them involved and things like that.
So that kind of thing is definitely necessary.
Other than that, it's really just we need people to pay attention.
Just look at what we're doing, guys.
That's really it.
We want people to run this software because...
We personally believe that this is the only way that we're going to be able to have any sort of freedom in the future on the digital side of things, right?
And that ties into everything that we do on a regular basis, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
And so just to be clear, if I could summarize that, people, when you buy Cort, which is the coin of this ecosystem, in essence, you are funding the development of the project because that's how the people who are writing the code are able to feed themselves.
And pay rent or whatever is necessary.
But I do want to be clear, though, by the way, you're not recommending this in a speculative manner.
I'm not either.
We can't guarantee any future price, and I strongly encourage people...
In fact, I think it's better just to think of it as you're never going to come back to USD because you won't need to.
Right, right.
You'll be able to use court.
It's just literally an investment in your future.
And in the future, we're going to be using court for things.
So I don't even like...
Thinking of it as an investment at all, other than it's just an investment in the future because you're going to be able to use this directly for the things that you need.
You will not be going back to a failing currency, guys.
Like, that's the thing, right?
Well, actually, I think you're more right than perhaps our audience realizes because more bank failures are happening.
And I think that's only going to accelerate.
And people are looking for off-ramps of where to put value in a way that can't be confiscated or destroyed.
Did you know, Jason, that Silicon Valley Bank collapsed and, of course, the FDIC stepped in and bailed out The U.S. citizen depositors, but they did not bail out the foreign depositors who are not U.S. citizens.
So the foreign depositors just got their chain yanked.
I mean, they lost 100%.
Wow.
No, I didn't know that now.
Yeah, I didn't know that until recently either.
But what it means is that every foreign depositor in every American bank, the minute they become aware of that, what are they going to do?
They're going to withdraw 100% of their deposits.
I mean, you'd be crazy not to.
Right.
Yeah.
Right.
And also Janet Yellen says they will only save certain banks and she won't tell us which ones in advance.
Right.
I mean, I just, the banks are probably one of the worst ones and that's why Bitcoin was established in the first place in theory, right?
I'm not so sure that I really believe all that, but I have a lot of different ways of thinking if you haven't noticed, right?
But I mean, getting into something That cannot be stopped, that cannot be taken away from you by anyone else is just a good idea to begin with, right?
But then you add in the fact that all of the people that build on top of Quartal will most likely be taking court as payment.
That means you will be able to buy all the things that you want and need directly in court.
So we're not looking at, oh, buy this and it's going to be worth, you know, $100,000 in the future.
No, we don't care about dollars in the future.
Right, right.
Well, everything will be worth billions of dollars because the dollar is going to zero.
I mean, I've got this stack of Zimbabwe currency over here.
I've got a $10 trillion bill.
Yeah, it's like, okay, whatever.
You can't even, you can't buy a sandwich with that.
Right.
So, yeah, the dollars don't even matter.
Okay, well, Jason, have I left anything out that you want to get across here?
I mean, no.
I'm also, you know, my website on Quartal, just, you know, Proetic, right, on Quartal, I'm going to be putting up, you know, all kinds of different videos there, like walkthroughs on how to do all these things, like how to build your own site, also how to use the Q apps and stuff like that.
So, That's going to be like a nice database for people to watch videos of me explaining how to do things and stuff like that.
And I'll keep people updated in that fashion as well.
I mean, just jump into our communities, right?
We have Telegram groups.
We have a Discord server.
We will eventually not need either of those things.
But of course, for now...
We have those.
So if you are interested in any of the stuff that we've mentioned here, but you don't really know what to do, that's fine too, right?
We will walk you through it.
Like, it's literally just jump into one of our communities and ask questions.
You would be surprised.
Like, we've got people who had no idea at all what they were doing, and they got bin back when it was harder, when you had to do two installations and things were a lot more difficult.
And now they're teaching others how to do it, right?
So it's really just get into our community, guys, and come and join us.
Yeah.
Well, absolutely.
And I would like to present to your community, maybe like a paper or a little PowerPoint, for your community's consideration at some point, I think once you get the next round of voting squared away, for consideration of another coin to go into the wallet.
But I'd just like the opportunity to present that, because I've been digging and doing a lot of due diligence, and I'm finding a few really interesting things, like talking to you, Jason.
The people that you run with are so open-minded.
They're high IQ. They're liberty-minded.
You just want to live as a free human being in a free future.
And so you're building the infrastructure to actually make that happen.
Right.
You would think it was simple, right?
But yeah, it's surprisingly difficult for some people to grasp what it is.
Yeah.
Well, it's interesting.
I mean, technology can enslave people, but technology can also set people free.
It just depends on the topology of it.
Yeah, we're totally open to, like I said, any project, as long as, you know, it's got the same foundational principles and they're not like, oh yeah, we've got the same principles, but we made, you know, five billion in an ICO. Right, exactly.
I'm going to vote no on something like that.
Oh, totally.
It's not up to me, right?
It's up to the community to decide these things.
So yeah, that's the whole idea.
You've got a proposal for another project you would like to see, Quartal support?
Absolutely.
Present it, right?
We don't have the voting system quite there in the UI yet, but that's, like, really close, next month or two, hopefully.
And you'll be able to make those proposals directly to the community, and then the vote wait is the blocks minted to start with, until we get other leveling methods in the future, but yeah.
The other thing I'd like to ask you, too, is, and we can continue this conversation off camera, but we'd like to figure out how we can accept courts as a means of payment for our online stores.
Yeah, that's totally possible.
We would just have to build a plug-in to make that happen.
Okay.
Not difficult, yeah.
All right.
Well, I'd like to connect maybe your devs with my devs, and they can speak together in their secret dev language, and they can figure out how that might happen, but I would love to do that.
We're actually trying to embrace many different decentralized projects that are headed by really visionary people like yourself, Jason, who we believe Are paving the way for a free future for humanity.
And we're putting our money where our mouth is on this.
We're getting behind these projects and just trying to show people why this matters.
I love it.
That's great.
That's what I want everybody to do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, thank you so much, Jason.
It's awesome to have you on.
I hope we get a chance to talk again.
And we appreciate all your contributions to the world.
Well, thank you.
Yeah, it was great.
Anytime.
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