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May 12, 2023 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams

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BBN, May 12, 2023 - Bank failures have only just begun... feat. David Morgan

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	All right, welcome to Brighton Broadcast News for Friday, welcome to Brighton Broadcast News for Friday, May 12th, 2023.
	That's Rody, my dog, there.
	Hey, Rody, how you doing?
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	Welcome to the broadcast.
	He's paying attention all the time.
	I'm Mike Adams of BrightTown.com.
	We've got a great show for you today.
	We have two bombshell interviews.
	First, we have David Morgan coming up about, of course, gold and silver and money and the collapse of the banks and how you can protect your assets, if that's even possible in this collapse scenario.
	And then we have Dr.
	Deborah Mash from a company that is working on getting FDA approval for the, quote, drug rendition of a natural molecule that is known worldwide to treat addiction of fentanyl and heroin and other substances, and it can help save a lot of lives.
	And Dr.
	Mash is working on getting that approved by the FDA so that it can go throughout the entire medical system and maybe, just maybe, we could treat the millions of addicts in a way that actually works and doesn't just re-addict them to methadone or something else.
	So that's going to be a fascinating interview.
	That's a first-time guest for us here on the show.
	I've got some other things to cover as well, some other breaking news in many areas.
	But I just want to say thank you for your support and for watching and sharing these episodes of Brighton Broadcast News.
	We work really hard here to bring you, I think, really compelling guests and interviews.
	And we have a lot of great guests coming up for you.
	Wait until you see what we have in store.
	Now, we interviewed Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
	earlier in the week, and since then, I forgot to ask him this question during the interview, but I was meaning to ask him, hey, would you join with Donald Trump on a joint ticket?
	Because I mentioned before, I think that would be the dream team.
	Can you imagine Trump and Kennedy on the same ticket?
	Well, Robert F. Kennedy responded, and he said, that will never happen.
	That under no circumstances, he said, will he join Trump on a joint ticket.
	So, okay, well, you know, we can hope, but they're too far apart on a lot of issues.
	I also, I think that, you know, Trump was talking about maybe bringing in Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
	early on the whole vaccine issue and having RFK part of some kind of decision board involving vaccines, and then that fell apart, and then Trump kind of went all in with Pfizer on Operation Warp Speed.
	So, I don't have any inside information on that.
	I'm just saying I'm guessing that Robert F. Kennedy Jr., knowing that Pfizer and Big Pharma, in my opinion, well, it's not even my opinion.
	According to the court record, they have engaged in criminal felonious activity year after year.
	I think that RFK... Doesn't want to be partnered up with anybody who is still in bed with Pfizer.
	And I don't blame him.
	And then I redirect my question to Donald J. Trump.
	When, Trump, when are you going to come out and tell the truth about Operation Warp Speed and Pfizer and the vaccines?
	You know, when are you going to perhaps apologize to the American?
	Is that possible for pushing all these vaccines on them?
	Is that ever going to happen?
	I don't know.
	But I think it needs to happen.
	I think if Trump is going to be viable in the 2024 campaign, he needs to come clean about vaccines and his support for these vaccines that have now either killed, maimed, or injured literally millions of Americans.
	And it's very easy for Trump to just tell the truth and come out and say, guess what?
	They lied to him.
	You know, they deceived, and he didn't know at the time, he didn't have the information then that he has now, and since then, he's come to realize that that vaccine has caused a lot of harm, suffering, and death across America, and that if he's president, he will make an effort to compensate the American people for those who have been injured or killed by these vaccines.
	And that he will come clean about that and in fact launch an investigation into the fraud and the medical violence that's been carried out through those vaccines against the American people.
	Will Trump do that?
	I don't know.
	I can't speak for him.
	I hope he does.
	If he doesn't, then he will lose a tremendous amount of support among conservatives.
	And that support may go to RFK Jr.
	So we'll see.
	Personally, I love what RFK is talking about when it comes to pharma and the NIH and holding those people accountable and launching criminal investigations and prosecuting those who lied.
	Trump has not even said that.
	Trump has not said that he's willing to prosecute those who lied to the American people.
	And so I'm wondering if that will happen.
	So I guess we'll just stay tuned and see where this goes.
	But it's going to get interesting no matter what.
	Okay, so with that said, let's go to censored.news.
	This is a site where I post story headlines that are breaking stories that I intend to cover here on the show.
	Oh, here's one right here.
	This is from GreenMedInfo.
	Sayer G sent this over to me earlier.
	Well, the cancer industry wants to start mammography at age 40.
	Because they know that mammograms irradiate women's breasts and actually cause cancer because mammograms emit ionizing radiation.
	So they're pushing these new recommendations to try to irradiate younger and younger women with more cancer-causing radiation in order to have more long-term cancer patients because that's what benefits the cancer industry.
	It's kind of like the vaccine industry.
	Their revenue model depends on harming people and then profiting from the treatment of those people, doesn't it?
	So Sayer G. at Green Med Info says, new recommendations fail to warn women of the real risks of mammography.
	And those risks are, in fact, very real.
	And there's also a risk of over-diagnosis.
	So we've written this up before on Natural News where for every 10 women who are harmed by mammography, there might be one woman whose cancer is actually caught early.
	So again, 10 women irradiated and given higher risk of cancer versus one woman that might be saved from cancer by, quote, early detection.
	That's a lot of harm for just a little bit of gain.
	And now they want to harm even more women by lowering the age of mammography.
	A better recommendation, in my opinion, is found in this article from Study Finds, and this is based on a scientific study that's been published out of Germany.
	Taking vitamin D supplements daily may help keep cancer patients alive longer.
	Now, what's interesting to me is that how the medical research industry, they never dare say that vitamin D prevents cancer.
	They only say, they talk around the edges.
	Like if you have cancer and you take vitamin D, you might live longer.
	Which is another way of saying that cancer won't kill you as quickly if you have vitamin D nutrition, according to this study.
	And this study, which looked at 105,000 participants, by the way, found a couple of very critical things.
	One was that cancer mortality was reduced by 12%.
	That's a significant number.
	But they also found that more frequent vitamin D usage was far more effective.
	So of the groups that just took vitamin D every once in a while, like once a month or something, it didn't really have that much of an effect.
	But if they took it daily...
	400 to 4000 IU per day, which by the way in my opinion is a relatively low dose.
	I know people taking significantly more than that, but you should do your own research, make your own decision.
	But when they took it more frequently, then they had significantly reduced rates of cancer.
	And then taking vitamin D before cancer develops is the best strategy.
	That's also what they found in their study.
	So yeah, vitamin D after you have cancer, sure, the study shows that it reduces mortality by 12%.
	But if you take vitamin D before you have cancer, it can, quote, presumably inhibit tumor growth.
	That's right here from the study.
	Show that on my screen.
	When researchers conducted an even more detailed analysis, The effect was most prominent when vitamin D intake was started before cancer diagnosis, and it shows that the great potential of vitamin D3 administration in the prevention of cancer deaths.
	Regular intake at low doses is associated with negligible risk, being almost no risk, and very low cost.
	And that's by Herman Brenner.
	And this was published in Aging Research Reviews.
	So there you go.
	Hey, instead of irradiating your breasts and giving yourself cancer, look at the research about preventing cancer.
	Because, well, I prevent cancer every day with the foods and the nutrients and the sunshine and all the things that I get.
	And all of our bodies are actually built and programmed to stop cancer.
	They just have to be given, I think, the right resources.
	Now, moving on to another shocking story, and this is for the Center for Immigration Studies, has found that Biden's DHS is coordinating illegal immigration inflows with Mexico, that the Biden regime is using an encrypted online chat room to tell Mexico when to let migrants swim across.
	So basically, the criminal cartel Biden administration, with the treasonous Alejandro Mayorkas, Is basically telling Mexico, hey, the coast is clear, send the illegals across now, do it now, so that they can make it into the United States.
	This is collusion.
	This is a conspiracy to invade and occupy the United States of America with an illegal force of mostly military-age males, by the way.
	And this is being carried out by the Biden regime.
	In cahoots, as we say in the South, in cahoots with DHS and Mexico.
	So whenever Mallorca stands up there and lies like the treasonous traitor that he is, and he lies and says there's no problem on the border, everything's fine, it's all good, nobody's coming across, don't worry about it, he's lying because his own agency is coordinating with Mexico to tell people when it's okay to rush across and get into the United States where they can be bused to different cities all over the country and dropped off wherever Democrats need more votes.
	So that is happening.
	And we've had Michael Jan as a frequent guest covering this and showing you video footage from the San Vicente camp near the Darien Gap in Panama where a lot of the staging for this mass invasion is actually taking place.
	So yes...
	Our national leaders are engaged in a real criminal conspiracy to overrun and overthrow the United States of America through the use of illegal aliens as kind of humanized weapon migration or mass human trafficking being carried out by the DHS. We can't arrest Mayorkas soon enough in my opinion.
	And I would hope that if Mayorkas or anybody from his department ever stepped foot in Texas, I would hope that Governor Abbott and the Texas State Guard would arrest them and imprison them and charge them with treason.
	For their actions to carry out an invasion against the state of Texas and the United States of America.
	But yes, that is happening.
	Now, by the way, do you believe in science?
	Do you believe in the medical papers?
	I mean, some papers are good, some papers are not.
	But here we find from this science.org publication, fake science papers are alarmingly common.
	And it turns out that about one-third of science papers are complete fiction.
	It's just too hard to believe at first.
	Here, let me blow this up for you here.
	This is from the estimates of how many fake papers are out there.
	Up to 54% of neuroscience papers in 2020 were made up or plagiarized.
	And in medicine, the number is 24%.
	It's just too hard to believe, says Sable of Otto von whatever university, An editor-in-chief of restorative neurology and neuroscience.
	It's as if somebody tells you 30% of what you eat is toxic.
	Well, if you believe all the scientific literature that's published out there, about one-third of it is completely made-up fake fiction.
	And, of course, you and I probably have a pretty good idea of which third that is.
	It's the third that's pushing vaccines.
	You know, it's the third that's pushing more statin drugs and more diabetes drugs and psychiatric drugs that only create more dependence on those pills for a lot of people.
	So, you know, we have to exercise discernment.
	Not everything that's published in a science journal is true.
	Clearly, that's the case.
	And now even the science establishment is sounding the alarm on fake science papers.
	All right, interesting situation there.
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	Alright, with that said, I want to get into our first interview here.
	Well, actually, hold on.
	I want to have a little commentary about something first before we get to the interview with David Morgan.
	Now, David Morgan is an expert in metals, gold and silver, and I'm going to ask him about bank crashes and lots of things like that.
	But I've also recorded a separate podcast with a point that I want to make here before we jump into that interview.
	And I had a kind of aha moment about the question of what is money?
	And I've been doing a lot of research.
	I've been talking to a lot of really smart people.
	I've been observing what's happening in the world.
	And when you look at the question, what is money?
	The answer is much more broad than what even I previously understood.
	I've always known that gold and silver are money, by the way.
	And we use dollars as if they're money.
	I've got my pile of expired fake currency over there, by the way, from Venezuela and what have you.
	Trillions of dollars sitting over there that are worth nothing.
	But gold and silver have value.
	They are intrinsic.
	They are real.
	But a question came to my mind the other day that shocked me, actually, that I'll share with you.
	When I was kind of asking myself, like, what is it about gold and silver that makes it money?
	And I realized that animals don't recognize gold and silver as money.
	That it's only actually humans, and even only some humans.
	Because a lot of people are so stupid that they will take the chocolate bar instead of the silver coin when Mark Dice offers them a choice, right?
	And I got to thinking, well, how is it that humans can see a piece of silver as having value, but my goat can't?
	Because my goat will choose a potato chip over a silver coin.
	Because the potato chip is tasty and salty, and the silver coin, not really edible.
	The goat's like, I don't need that, right?
	So what's the difference?
	How is it that humans assign value to gold and silver, but animals don't?
	Well, clearly then, the value of it is not as intrinsic as I thought.
	Now, water is valuable to animals and to humans because, well, we both need water to survive.
	Certain types of food are valuable to animals and humans, but not gold and silver.
	What is it that gives gold and silver its value?
	It's the utility of it, especially with silver.
	It's that silver is used in so many manufacturing processes.
	It has built-in demand for industrial use in even making solar panels, making electronics, making circuit boards.
	It's used in dentistry.
	It's used in all kinds of semiconductors, electronics, whatever.
	And to some extent, gold is as well.
	And in fact, without silver, you don't have green energy.
	You can't actually build a green energy infrastructure without loads and loads of silver because it has specific properties that are inherent to its atomic structure and its molecular structure when it's combined with other atoms to make compounds and such and alloys.
	So what gives it value is its utility, right?
	And once I realized that, it opened up my understanding even more about cryptocurrency.
	And I've come to realize that cryptocurrency's properties give it value even though it's not backed by something physical.
	And this was also driven home to me because of the banking collapse that we've really undergone this year.
	But cryptocurrency, and this is just general across the board, cryptocurrencies have properties.
	For example, they can be sent and received globally usually in a very small amount of time.
	Sometimes in seconds.
	Cryptocurrencies are protected by cryptography, so they are secure if you have good practices about protecting your own passwords and your seed phrases and so on.
	Some cryptocurrencies have privacy features that are inherently extremely valuable because it means they can't be tracked, they can't be surveilled like CBDCs.
	And also they can't be confiscated.
	Now, that is an extraordinarily valuable property.
	Now, you could say that crypto is backed by nothing, but it also can't be seized by government because it's backed by nothing.
	There are no central servers where it can be confiscated.
	There's no central corporation.
	It's DeFi.
	It's decentralized finance.
	And what I've come to understand is that decentralized finance has inherent intrinsic value, even though there's physically nothing there.
	And it's value that's based on the utility of it.
	It's not speculative value.
	It's value of utility.
	It's the ability to send and receive, the ability to transfer, the ability to pay, the ability to exchange, the ability to just save it and not have it confiscated.
	These properties themselves equate to intrinsic value.
	And so I am here to say publicly right here today on my show, Brighton Broadcast News, that I now completely get it and I completely agree that cryptocurrency is money.
	you Cryptocurrency is money.
	Now, it doesn't mean there aren't a bunch of crap coins out there and a bunch of, you know, fake meme scams and whatever.
	Yeah, there's a lot of garbage out there.
	But that's true with currencies around the world, too, like government currencies.
	There's a lot of garbage even in the gold and silver industry.
	But when a property is structured and secure, and especially if it has privacy properties, cryptocurrency is money.
	It's money because we humans, we recognize it as having intrinsic value of, let's say, security or privacy or exchangeability or transmissibility.
	Is that a word?
	The ability to send and receive it quickly.
	It has these properties that nothing else has.
	Dollars don't have that property because dollars will be confiscated.
	Dollars can be taken from you.
	Dollars can be seized.
	If you have dollars in anything, an investment account, a bank, maybe under your mattress, I don't know, but those can be easily seized by governments, especially if they're in electronic accounts, you know, bank accounts.
	Boom, it's tied to your social security number.
	They just lock it down.
	They say, we're taking it, even if you're not guilty of anything, even if you've done nothing.
	And even the FBI raided some safe deposit boxes.
	I forgot where that happened.
	Was it like in Nevada somewhere?
	And they just seized hundreds of people's safe deposit boxes because the FBI was trying to find a couple of drug dealers that were using this place to stash cash or something.
	And they just took everybody's boxes.
	So the FBI could just roll into a bank and say, just give me everything in everybody's boxes.
	So anything can be confiscated if it's physical.
	And we go to great lengths to try to, let's say, if you have something of value like gold, and people bury that gold to make it hard to find, hard to confiscate.
	But what if it wasn't physical?
	What if it was protected by privacy?
	Then it's non-confiscatable because there's no place for it.
	There's no location where it exists.
	No one can come and take it.
	Because, in fact, in a sense, you can download and install a crypto wallet on your device that the entire wallet can be restored on any computing system by simply reentering like a 20-word you can download and install a crypto wallet on your device that And it will give you the words.
	And this is common now in cryptocurrency.
	So the wallet is actually a sequence of 20 words.
	And that can be in your head.
	And the government can't come along and confiscate those 20 words out of your head.
	They can never take it.
	As long as you remember those words, or you have them written down somewhere that can't be taken, which is pretty easy to accomplish, or you could write down some version of it, you could mix up the words in a certain way that only you know, so it's kind of like a secret code involving those words, then that's your wallet.
	Those can be your assets.
	That can be money.
	Now, cryptocurrency suffers from a lot of volatility.
	I understand that.
	And there are Some drawbacks to...
	Like right now, the Bitcoin blockchain is getting all polluted by ordinals and people are basically using it as a giant graffiti wall to put all their images and garbage in the Bitcoin blockchain.
	So Bitcoin's getting really bloated and expensive.
	The other day, it was running $29 or $30 per transaction, which is crazy.
	Now it's come down from that.
	There are problems with scalability.
	There are problems here and there across the board.
	But overall...
	I recognize this, and it's been a profound understanding for me.
	I want to share it with you.
	Cryptocurrency can absolutely be money.
	Because we recognize it as a representation of value, and it has that value not because of speculation, but it has value because of its utility, because of its special properties.
	And I'm not telling you to go out and load up on crypto.
	I'm not telling you to buy Bitcoin or any coin.
	I'm just saying that in your portfolio of things to consider, when we're going off-grid, off the banking system, we're trying to protect our assets from the banks, I have for a long time said that you should consider crypto because of its mobility, its portability.
	If you're fleeing a country, like people fleeing Venezuela, they can take crypto with them, but just by memorizing their password, the seed phrase.
	And that makes it mobile that can't be stolen from you.
	You can't be robbed.
	With a gun on the street.
	Give me all your money.
	Oh, here's my dollar.
	Well, give me your wallet password.
	What are you talking about?
	I don't have a wallet password.
	I mean, you can't be robbed of this.
	You can take it with you wherever you go and then you can restore that cryptocurrency by entering that seed phrase when you get to your destination.
	Every person should have, I believe, some backup plan involving mobile decentralized finance.
	I am at that point right now because of the rapid failures of the banking system, because of the government tyranny involving confiscation of money, locking down money, the bank bail-ins that are coming.
	And by the way, the collapsing value of the dollar, sometimes cryptocurrency is just a way to achieve insurance against inflation.
	If there's a crypto that just holds its value, that's insurance against inflation.
	Of course, so is gold and silver.
	And I'm a strong advocate of gold and silver, don't get me wrong.
	But gold and silver are, if you have to be mobile or if you have to send some money to somebody else or pay for something or transfer, you can't just send gold across the internet.
	And you can't take a hundred grand worth of silver in your pockets and walk across the countryside escaping like a gang war or something.
	That silver is going to load you down.
	You won't even be able to carry it.
	But you can carry cryptocurrency in your mind by memorizing the password.
	So everything has its place.
	And as we are trying to diversify our risk and be insulated against the threats against us, the threats of government tyranny, the threats of money confiscation, the threats of currency erosion, the threats of banking failures, the threats of de-dollarization on a global scale, we have the threats of de-dollarization on a global scale, we have to think about every option.
	We have to be open-minded and we have to even correct ourselves like I have done if we weren't fully realizing the potential of these things in the past.
	I believe in gold and silver because they're real.
	Here's the silver bullet that John Bush gave me, 7.62x51.
	I can hold this in my hand.
	This is real.
	It's in the shape of a full cartridge round and it's almost pure silver.
	I don't have to have a lot of faith because I can touch it.
	I can feel it.
	I can carry this.
	But you can't carry 5,000 of these.
	So if you have assets that need protection, you can't trust the banks.
	You can't trust the dollar.
	You can't even trust many brokerage accounts, I believe, not in the long term.
	And you can't trust the big stock market.
	What can you trust?
	I think increasingly the answer, honestly, is decentralized finance.
	DeFi is the answer for privacy, for security, and for asset protection that offers mobility and scalability.
	And I'm going to increasingly keep digging.
	I'm going to try to bring you solutions that I think are worthy.
	You know, I mentioned yesterday, I'm going to be interviewing a couple people about one project that's also distributed applications, dApps, distributed computing, distributed publishing, peer-to-peer systems, distributed money is also part of that ecosystem.
	I think, actually, that it's going to be a very strong pillar of the future of human freedom on our planet.
	And I know a lot of people saw this before I did, and that's okay.
	I was really turned off by all the hypesters and all the hucksters and all the crazy promises that everybody would get rich if you just mortgage your house and bought Bitcoin.
	Which, of course, that whole thing fell apart as I knew it would.
	But the tech is now maturing.
	And the collapse of FTX has actually caused a maturing across the entire industry.
	and the solutions that are now emerging, which are far better than Bitcoin, in my opinion, I do believe represent the future of money freedom, financial freedom, and human freedom for our world.
	So we're going to have an interesting time looking at these things and talking to experts in all these areas.
	In fact, coming up with David Morgan, we're going to jump to that next.
	I pre-recorded that interview just a bit ago.
	I asked him about cryptocurrency and he sees what I see, by the way.
	So here we have two guys who are gold and silver guys.
	Who have been advocating gold and silver for the right reasons for many years, also now expanding our view to understand that there are many other forms of money that have different properties that are going to be recognized as value by at least the free humans, however many of us are remaining as free people who don't want to go into the You know, the globalist, mark of the beast, central bank digital currency system.
	We're going to have options.
	Decentralized finance is where many of those options will be found.
	So with that said, thank you for listening.
	And we're going to jump into the interview with David Morgan, which I think you'll find fascinating.
	And then after that, the interview with Dr.
	Deborah Mash.
	Enjoy the rest of the show right here on Brighteon Broadcast News.
	And thank you for all your support.
	Welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com.
	I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
	And today joining me is one of my favorite people, David Morgan.
	His website is themorganreport.com.
	He's an expert in silver and money and metals and other interesting things we'll talk about.
	Welcome, David Morgan.
	It's great to have you on today.
	Well, thank you, Mike.
	It's great to be here.
	Well, we love having you on because your analysis, I think, is very insightful.
	You have a lot of experience.
	You keep your finger on the pulse of what's happening in terms of money and medals around the world.
	You were just telling me before the show you attended the money show in Vegas.
	What was going on there?
	It was interesting, Mike.
	You know, I didn't get a head count from the promoter, but my eyes are pretty good.
	And I'd say that the general audience was about half as many people as I saw the previous year.
	And I was there, you know, a year ago.
	Same exact show, the Monday show in Las Vegas.
	Also, what's interesting is since I'm, you know, a specialist in the resource sector, primarily precious metals, but we look at the whole sector, rare earth elements, cobalt, battery metals, then papers, white papers, interviews on all those things.
	And my attendance was probably double or triple what I normally get.
	So my conclusion is...
	That the general investing public, which is the money show, is not participating as much for whatever reason, and people that were there were more interested than ever in hearing the metal story.
	My talk, just so you know, was specific.
	Sorry to interrupt you there, David.
	You're saying that in the investment community show in Vegas, the attendance was a lot lower, but the interest in silver appears to be really skyrocketing.
	Is that a fair summary?
	Yes, because the talk was very specific.
	The talk was, is silver an asymmetric trade?
	As we all know, asymmetric means very limited downside and almost unlimited upside.
	I made the argument.
	In fact, there was a group there in the precious metals community from Ireland that attended that show.
	They're friends of mine.
	I actually have an account with them, full disclosure.
	Well, as you know, and I'd like to hear comments on this, but with the bank collapse, starting with Silicon Valley Bank was the big one, you know, a couple of months back.
	Then after that, I'm sure you experienced the most insane surge of interest and demand in metals, perhaps, of your career.
	You tell us, what was that like?
	Yeah, I would say it was similar to the 2008 bottom, the crisis.
	I mean, the mainstream calls it a crisis.
	At that time, I had a few that would call, and one I always like to brag about, but I have to keep the anonymity.
	But this gentleman was way up the banking sector, not like BIS level, but not far from it.
	And he wanted a quantity of silver that was substantial.
	And he purchased it.
	It was interesting to ask if he wanted foreign or domestic.
	He wanted domestic.
	I gave him the phone number to somebody that's started...
	It's actually a warehouse, a certified warehouse for the COMEX. I mean, it's at that level.
	But it was interesting.
	He said, I don't want to see it.
	I don't want to touch it.
	I just want to know it's there.
	I want it where I can get it or ship it out if I want it.
	And I... Connected them for that.
	So I said all that to say this, now what's happened recently, and the same similar things have happened, you know, someone with a business or, you know, a lot of money, and regular people too, but I mean, you're asking me specifically, and the run to gold that I predicted a few months ago or so, maybe six, seven months ago, is here, and a lot of people are moving into silver, as they have.
	And the question is, I have got a million dollars in the bank, I've never bought gold in my life.
	What do I do?
	Oh, wow.
	Two million dollars in the bank.
	Not that they put all of that money into the metals, but I could reframe it, Mike, to say, I've got a substantial net worth.
	It's all in the bank.
	That scares the holy living heck out of me.
	I need to move into metals.
	Can you help me?
	But yes, I have had those companies.
	Well, see, that's fascinating to me that people are understanding the risk of just leaving fiat dollars in a bank because those bank collapses really brought that point home to a lot of people that, whoa, your money is not necessarily safe in certain institutions or perhaps in the currency, the fiat currency itself.
	Now, but here's something that I experienced.
	Let me run this past you, David.
	When I went online recently, established an investment account with a brokerage, and I decided to buy some vaulted gold and silver funds, right?
	So every share I buy just represents a physical amount of gold and silver that's held in a vault somewhere.
	And these are ETFs, so it's pretty easy for me to buy and sell.
	I noticed that when I wanted to buy the first trade, It pops up and says, oh, you have to elevate your acceptance of super crazy risk levels in order to buy this gold or silver ETF because it might be crazy dangerous.
	You might lose everything.
	And so you click agree, agree, agree.
	But if you go to a bank and you put dollars in a bank that it's going to fail next week, there's no warnings.
	Nothing.
	I mean, how crazy is that?
	Well, it's crazy.
	I just have to add on to that, Mike.
	I mean, one of the most heavily watched videos I've ever done was with Stansberry Research talking about the bail-ins, where I explained, and many people have tagged on, and I'm not saying I was the first, but I certainly won the first.
	I said, when you deposit your quote-unquote money at a bank, it is actually their money at law.
	You are an unsecured creditor in the bank.
	That's how they look at it.
	So not only do they not tell you that our bank may fail, But if their bank may fail, they may take their money from you because you deposited it in their bank.
	And yet, if you want to buy silver and gold, you have to go around the mulberry bush three or four times.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's bonkers.
	And even, I've also heard of some people attempting, I mean, I'm sure you've heard this, attempting to wire money to purchase gold or silver, and the bank asking them, you know, almost hounding them, are you sure?
	Are you sure?
	Do you know where you're sending your money?
	Are you sure it's not a scam?
	You know, it's just all these endless questions.
	This happened to people I know.
	Because the banks just don't want to let go of that money if people are using it to buy gold or silver in particular.
	It's almost like you're being hounded by a pack of wolves to try to make it as difficult as possible for you to wire money out of their bank.
	Well, let's go a step beyond that.
	All that you said is true.
	In fact, I'll just add a little more.
	I've had instances where people overseas, because my publication is worldwide, it's translated into German and has been for years, And people that were in the UK wanted to wire me money.
	And the bank said the same thing.
	Well, how do you know this?
	Because I had a relationship with David for 10 years.
	I did it last year.
	Why can't I do it this year?
	But I also wanted to connect what you just said, because this is something that is not very well discussed in my view.
	And I listen to a lot of People in my peer group, not only do they make it hard to wire money for metals, but they make it difficult, especially in the silver arena.
	And what do I mean?
	Value added tax.
	If you want to buy gold in the UK, for example, there may be a slight VAT, I'm not sure, but it's minimal.
	But to buy silver, it's onerous.
	And in almost all the European countries, it's onerous to buy silver.
	So you can buy silver, but all I have to do is pay.
	You talk about the high premiums in the US. Think about a high premium and a value-added tax, like 20%.
	So there's a very, very big discouragement outside of North America.
	To buy silver and not so much on the gold market.
	Wow.
	Japan's the same thing.
	So if it was a free and fair market, free and fair, And let's say a precious metal is a precious metal, or it's, you know, platinum, palladium, silver, or gold.
	And they were treated the same.
	In other words, there was, let's say, a 2% VAT across the board.
	I think you'd see a hell of a lot more silver investment than you see now.
	When you're a friendly local dealer and you say, hey, you can buy gold, but you're only going to be hit by this much.
	But if you buy silver, you're going to be hit 10 times harder.
	Well, I'll buy the gold.
	And this is a subtlety that, again, is very seldom voiced in our community.
	But I want to bring that point to the fore, Mike, because not only do you let people speak their mind on your program, which I admire you for, but we got to get real about why these type of things take place.
	And I think the real why is silver is more valuable from the context of what it can do as a performance basis.
	Gold makes great jewelry, and it's probably the best money.
	I might put the best in quotes.
	But silver is an absolute essential to modern society.
	Without silver, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
	We couldn't have a computer.
	Green energy, solar panels.
	Right.
	I mean, there are many ounces of silver, I believe, in every large solar panel, or at least some portion of silver.
	Let me just remind people, themorganreport.com is your website.
	Let me bring it up here.
	Folks, you can go in.
	You can sign up here.
	You get the free newsletter.
	Or the free email, but I know you have a paid...
	Yeah, I do free and paid both.
	Right, right.
	And then some videos and so on.
	And I just want to encourage people to sign up there.
	And also, just to let people know that, David, either your video is still frozen, which is okay, or you are the world's greatest ventriloquist.
	And you have a very promising career in that area.
	But we shall just continue.
	Let me show you this.
	Another guest I had on here gave me this silver.
	It's two ounces of 999 silver.
	And this is a 7.62x51 bullet plus cartridge.
	But it's all silver.
	Obviously, you can't fire it.
	There's no primer.
	There's no powder.
	It's silver!
	So, oh, there we go.
	Pretty cool, huh?
	Very cool.
	In fact, I have one of my friends in the UK is the one that actually thought up that idea, and the first person that actually did it was Ross Hansen of Northwest Territorial Mint.
	Is that right?
	Many of those, yes.
	Well, maybe this is from his mint.
	I don't know.
	Probably is.
	I don't know of anyone else that manufactured them.
	I think he was the only one.
	Well, I'm really liking these, and I know it's a novelty, but it's also representative of two things that I love as stores of value, silver and ammo, combined into one.
	It's amazing.
	Well, I wish my screen wasn't frozen, because I wanted to show you these goldbacks that I took to Las Vegas.
	Oh, you took some goldbacks!
	Nice!
	Yeah, and I gave them out to a lot of people that just came to my Presentation and other vendors there.
	And also, on the way in to the valet, the bellhop, you know, all the courtesy people.
	And it's interesting, Mike, to see what the reaction is.
	Because the first thing I say is, this is 24 karat gold.
	And it's not like people are real happy about it.
	Most of them.
	What, they don't quite get it?
	Not only is it pure gold, but it's going to be a collector's item.
	Once I say that, then they're like, okay, but they'd much rather have that piece of fiat that can be printed into infinity than something of real value.
	And I do that often for an experiment.
	Now, on the show floor...
	It's a different story because these are, you know, people at the money show, people who want to speak to me or whatever, and they're much more familiar with real value.
	But you go out on the street and you say, hey, would you want this or would you want that?
	It's like way back in the day of, you know, Mark Dice.
	I mean, do you want a Hershey's bar or do you want a silver bar?
	I'll take the candy, right?
	Right.
	It's crazy.
	It's wild.
	But it just tells you how far people's perceptions have moved from reality.
	But here's the contrast I want to ask you about that, David, although thanks for bringing up that example.
	But people are distanced.
	Through media, propaganda, and so on, they're distanced from what is real money, and yet at the same time, the central banks of the world are buying record amounts of gold.
	And that is continuing, and you might have better, I mean, I know you follow this, David, so share numbers with us if you can, but isn't it true that China and banks all over the world are just loading up on gold right now?
	No, you have it absolutely correct.
	World Gold Council, I think, put out that there have been more gold purchase in 2022 than in the past 50 years.
	Then they did a slight retraction, and I don't remember exactly what it was, but the general idea is correct.
	And the first quarter of this year, 2023, they're on basically the same trajectory of how much gold is being purchased by central banks.
	Central banks, from my strong, steady view, know that gold is the money of last resort.
	I don't think they're going to use it unless they have to.
	My position at this time is they want to continue the fiasco in a new manner, meaning a CBDC, unbacked by anything.
	Just trust us.
	Maybe they'll be able to flush out some of the debt one way or another, create an entity that just swallows up this worthless debt.
	I don't know.
	But I don't think they're going to play the gold card unless they have to.
	That's my take.
	Well, that's interesting.
	But it seems like they're going to be forced into a position where they may have to back their currency with some percentage of gold.
	Not 100%, let's say, but 15%, 20%, something like that.
	I mean, look at Venezuela, for example.
	I think they've already started that process of trying to have some kind of gold backing.
	Aren't they going to all have to do this at some point?
	Well, I think they will, because of shows like yours, you know, that educate people and let them know, why would I want a completely worthless system that's failed to be superseded by a system that has the same exact parameters, except it's more onerous?
	Any thinking person would say, I rejected your first one, I sure as heck am going to reject the second one.
	And the only way around that that I know of What history has taught us.
	We're going to give you something of value.
	We're going to back it by 40% gold is the norm, but there isn't a norm in this world.
	Your idea is right.
	It doesn't have to be a 100% backed currency, although it could be.
	I doubt it.
	But the idea that we've got to regain your trust.
	You don't trust us.
	You trust gold.
	We're going to tie it to gold.
	I think that probably will eventually happen, but I'm still of the idea that they'll try their...
	Phony baloney system into digital space without any tidical initially.
	And if that doesn't work, then I'll come back.
	Thank you for that analysis.
	And let's talk about the digital space.
	You just brought it up.
	So it seems that all of us are going to be forced, or at least corralled, an attempt to push us into central bank digital currency systems.
	Digital money, the FedNow payment system might be the precursor to that, and it's launching soon, within a couple of months.
	And as they try to push us into central bank digital currencies, it really brings up the question, especially in light of the bank collapse, And I've come to this realization, I would rather trust, frankly, a private peer-to-peer cryptocurrency than a central bank digital currency.
	I mean, I'm literally at that crossroads where I'm like, if I'm going to go digital, I want decentralized digital.
	I don't want central-controlled government-surveiled digital, right?
	So are you hearing that or thinking that as well or something...
	Yes, I am.
	I'll qualify it.
	First of all, I don't listen to everything that you put out, but I do listen to quite a bit, and I happen to catch that one.
	And, you know, you always speak from the head and the heart.
	You're a smart guy, and you've helped a ton of people, and you continue to do so.
	Yeah, I would say, if there was a choice, you know, I definitely would rather do a peer-to-peer system.
	Definitely, we need to decentralize.
	I think that's the key.
	The bankers have run us to the ground.
	I mean, I have a good life.
	You have a good life.
	That's not my point.
	The point is we're all enslaved at one level or another because of the current system.
	So we need a system where we take the power back, and that's peer-to-peer.
	So if it's peer-to-peer with a crypto, peer-to-peer with a silver coin, peer-to-peer With precious metals on the blockchain, if it's a bartering club, if it's making your own Ithaca dollars like was done in New York years ago, or wooden nickels like in the Great Depression.
	Any of those things, in my opinion, are fine as long as it comes to the exact root of the problem.
	We control our own interactions with other people.
	We don't need a counterparty that tells us everything that we have to do, think and say.
	And if we don't do what we're told to think, do and say, we're punished.
	This is where we're going, and this is probably the most onerous thing I can think of in my entire life's work, because I've been an advocate to put power back into people's hands through an honest system.
	Absolutely.
	100%.
	I've shared this publicly on the show, and I'll repeat it to you.
	Something else that's driving me into these realizations is the fact that myself and my company have been put on a financial blacklist.
	My account.
	That happened a while ago.
	And they've done that to lots of people just based solely on viewpoint discrimination.
	But we know that J.P. Morgan has canceled accounts of people just because they were conservatives or Christians.
	We know the IRS audits non-profits solely because they are Christian-based.
	We know that anybody who's close to Trump gets audited and often arrested for merely being a Trump associate.
	And, you know, I've come to the realization...
	I mean, I can't even use mainstream financial service providers of any kind because of this blacklist.
	And it's like, well, guess what?
	I have no choice.
	I'm going to embrace decentralized finance because it's the only thing that restores...
	What money is supposed to be when you're dealing with, you know, international transactions, buying and selling, paying vendors, all the things you have to do to run a business.
	I can't do it in dollars much longer because they've weaponized it.
	I sympathize.
	I've had my issues as well.
	If you look at someone of the stature of Catherine Austin Fitz of Solari.com, I don't know if it's still true, but I subscribe to her service and...
	To the best of my knowledge, Mike, she said, you know, we've got those type of issues.
	The only way you subscribe is send a check.
	Yeah.
	And we're not able to process any other way.
	That's right.
	So, of course, I sent her a check and I also closed a little silver with it.
	Good for you.
	But, you know, this is...
	But it's so unfair.
	And it's just plain wrong.
	I mean, the whole...
	And I'm going to get on a tangent.
	You can bring me back.
	But the whole premise...
	We have God-given rights.
	We have inalienable rights that are ours because we are born.
	And the government was only created for one purpose, one purpose only, and that was to secure those God-given rights.
	And how far we've come from that time till now.
	Well, absolutely.
	And think about the definition of money.
	It has to be, you know, fungible.
	You know, every dollar has to be as good as every other dollar.
	But what we're actually being told, those of us who hold conservative views, we're being told something that actually smacks of, you know, anti-black racism in the plantation days.
	We're being told, your money's no good because of who you are.
	It's filthy money.
	We don't want to touch it.
	Which is insane.
	And that means that the dollar is no longer fungible, which means it is not useful long term as a currency because a currency has to be fungible, it has to be trusted, it has to be universal, it has to come without judgment.
	Otherwise it doesn't function as money.
	Right.
	And that's, I think, a tangent I want to take because I think that, you know, when history looks back and says when, and it's pretty easy to do with 2020 hindsight, this is my guess.
	The historians on the monetary sphere are going to say what happened was when the United States weaponized the U.S. dollar and told Russia that their account was frozen.
	That was the point in history.
	That's probably the point in history, monetary history, where the whole system went kapooey.
	Yeah, we're still trading back and forth, but from a longer-term perspective, the history books will probably say that was the beginning of the end.
	And they're scrambling, in my view.
	I don't think these bankers are all – they're very clever, they're very shrewd, but they're not really that smart.
	They hire smart people.
	But they're really not that smart.
	Their ethics don't exist.
	Right.
	So it's hard to get a solid base of anything in life if you're unethical.
	If you don't have the understanding of how the world really works and you try to make it work the way you want to and create the play with your own actors and etc.
	and control everything.
	That never works.
	That's why...
	When these banks collapse, and I'll ask you if you think more bank collapses are coming, but when these banks collapse, I feel sorry for the depositors, but I don't feel sorry for the banksters and the bank principals and the shareholders because they're crooks.
	They're crooks.
	I mean, they took people's money.
	They threw it into instruments that lost a lot of money.
	They made bad decisions.
	In the case of a lot of these banks, they were holding woke parties all day and night, cross-dressing bonanza in the lobby, whatever, but not doing the business of bankers, which is supposed to be paying attention to risk and watching the money that you're supposed to be holding on to and maybe not losing.
	I don't feel sorry for them at all, David.
	I think as they collapse, they get exactly what they deserve.
	Yeah, I agree.
	The whole idea of a real, true free market capitalism, and of course capitalism is blamed continually, but people that write that either know or most don't, what real capitalism is.
	It's the right to succeed or the right to fail.
	So if you put up a bank that doesn't perform and you're a shareholder in the bank and it fails, that's the way the system is supposed to work.
	That's right.
	I don't feel far for them either.
	You're supposed to do due diligence before you invest in a bank.
	That's right.
	Or any investment.
	Exactly.
	And the whole system has been rigged, what we call now crony capitalism, where People like you and I can't get access to, let's say, some exchanges off of a payment platform because of our belief system, as you just outlined.
	And others can't.
	Totally unfair.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And let me just lay this out for you here, how crazy this is.
	If I were a surgeon who mutilated children's genitals for profit, those financial institutions would be thrilled to work with me.
	But if I'm someone teaching, you know, the Word of God, let's say, or if I'm teaching liberty, if I'm teaching people how to grow food, oh, no, no, no, you're bad.
	You're not allowed.
	You should be mutilating children's genitals.
	That would be okay.
	Like, that's where we are.
	Yeah, it is.
	And it's just, really, I don't have the right word.
	Upset is not strong enough.
	But, you know, if you go back, I don't want to make this too much about me.
	If you take me back 10 years and ask me, Would I think it be where we are?
	I would say no.
	I would have said that the financial system probably would have collapsed before it has, but also that we had enough moral Value left in this country that it wouldn't get to where it's gone.
	I was wrong.
	It's more evil than I could ever imagine.
	And it's promoted.
	That's what really boggles my mind.
	I shouldn't say boggles because I fully understand the fact that the six networks are basically owned by a small handful.
	And all they do is propagandize the public all the time.
	And yet, 80% of the population doesn't even know That it's all propaganda.
	There isn't a modicum of truth in hardly anything that comes out.
	And a few things that might be quote-unquote truthful are distorted or used in a way to persuade you for some idea that is off base.
	And this is our reality.
	And when someone like you and I meet someone from the general public, we automatically grow tinfoil hats because they've been programmed so strongly.
	That anything that we say that's contradictory to their programming puts them over the top.
	And they choose the Hershey bar over the silver coin, too, by the way.
	Yeah.
	Chocolate over silver.
	There's an IQ test that we should give to everybody, but...
	What's weird is how global finance is actually intertwined with culture and the culture wars.
	For example, I'm going to have a guest coming on soon who's a journalist in Japan.
	And she's going to talk about how the United States, through the banking cartels, which is the SWIFT system and Japan's central bank and so on, is putting pressure on Japan's government to accept transgenderism being pushed in the culture.
	So there's an implied threat, kind of like how they cut Russia off from SWIFT.
	They can go to Japan and they can say, well, if you don't allow more transgenderism in the schools to turn young Japanese boys into little girls, then we might make sure that SWIFT doesn't work for your banks.
	You see, it's intertwined.
	And it's a kind of, it's a cultural bullying on a global scale that ultimately I think it just makes more enemies, not friends.
	It does.
	Now the truth is the most, you know, I've made the quote many times.
	There's nothing more powerful than that.
	And the truth is, when you talk about, and not you, Mike, but the general populace talks about transgenderism or, you know, what used to be called queer, and there's so many other names.
	I don't know the LBQ, RSTB. You know, I don't know all the letters.
	What I do know is it's about 1%, 1.5% of the population.
	And when you think about the truth, that it's that small of a population, and that's based on what I've read, it may be slightly higher or lower.
	The point is, it's very small.
	And yet when you're spending 90% of the time just pushing this idea over and over again, you've got to ask why.
	Why is this happening?
	Because the 1%, I mean, for me, leave me alone.
	You know, I'm not going to bother you.
	You don't bother me.
	That's the way you are.
	It's none of my business.
	Right.
	But it is my business when I can't turn any channel on in the mainstream or even in some of the alt stuff that doesn't push this agenda.
	And I think it's to not only morally destroy what's left of the natural ethics that people are born with.
	I mean, we all have kind of an internal knower of what's right and wrong.
	But now, if you're young and you're confused and you look up to the pier, which is any adult, and they're telling you, well, you don't know who you are.
	You can be whatever you want to be.
	I mean, how sick is that?
	It can't get more sick than Yeah, well, I was joking on the show the other day, you know, thank goodness that we don't take kids who say they want to be a pirate and gouge out their eye and cut off their leg and say, okay, you're a pirate now.
	I mean, because that would be insane.
	But they do that when they say they want to be a girl.
	I mean, it's completely crazy.
	But let me bring up something else.
	In the corporate world, Corporations run on credit.
	And the larger your organization, the more credit you need in order to function.
	But through ESG, Environmental Social Governance Score Systems, if you don't embrace everything that is demanded, which goes beyond transgenderism, but also the climate narrative, which is scientifically false, And other things, you know, maybe about elections, maybe about war, whatever.
	If you don't embrace an even virtue signal as a corporation, then you have to pay higher rates for credit.
	So they're costing corporations...
	On their bottom line, like if you don't go along with this, there's going to be a financial penalty which may put you out of business because your competitor who just hired a cross-dressing man to be a spokesperson for a beer brand, let's say, well, they're going to get cheaper credit because they're virtue signaling in a proper way.
	So this is just screwing, pardon my language, but screwing with the free market principles of risk and reward and investment and debt and credit.
	They're messing up the whole system To where the best ideas cannot possibly succeed.
	Yeah, you're correct.
	And let's go back to what I said earlier.
	If you are the director of the play, as a metaphor, and you have to put this first, that second, this one doesn't count, this one counts more than the other, and all that that you're talking about, those things always fail.
	And the more they're failing, the harder they push.
	It's one of the hardest things to do in my business, Is to call a top.
	Because everybody's so exuberant.
	It can only go higher.
	Everybody's made money.
	It's a new high.
	And, you know, let's face it.
	You have to make a lot of new highs to go from $20 Tesla stock to 180 or wherever it went to.
	There's many new highs along that path.
	But at some point, it's at the top.
	And that's where people get taken.
	Because once there's no more buyers, And there's only sellers.
	Who are you going to sell to?
	I made that analogy, Mike, to say this.
	As hard and as difficult as it seems to be, I truly think that the peak nonsense has already passed us.
	Really?
	That's inspiring to hear.
	Say more.
	I think that there's enough behind-the-scenes thing that's going on to real ethics, morals, and Let's say, classic culture, that the pushback may be apparent.
	And I say pushback.
	It's not going to change overnight.
	But there'll be more and more things that come to the fore that people go, wow, that's really interesting.
	Why did that happen?
	Well, that's really interesting.
	Those guys won the lawsuit against that, you know, whatever.
	And those type of things.
	So I'm looking for that.
	I'm kind of sniffing it out at this point.
	I always try to look ahead.
	I've never tried to be a visionary.
	I just have been lucky in that department a few times.
	Just a quick example, I saw the cellular phone industry as just a massive change in humanity way before most people thought about it.
	It's like, you know, I remember my mom said, who would want a cell phone?
	What?
	Anyway.
	Well, to your point, while you were talking, I brought up this map.
	I saw the story on LifeSite News this morning.
	This map shows all the states that are taking action against gender transitions.
	And the color codes here are...
	Here we go.
	All the red states here have banned transgender surgeries.
	I mean, I know this is not a show about culture specifically, but I just thought I'd throw this in.
	And then you can see the color code blocked in court.
	And if you look at this map, you know...
	A fairly large number, it looks like almost a couple dozen states here, are taking some kind of action.
	So you may be right, David, that maybe we've already reached peak insanity and the tipping point or the turning point is here.
	But let me segue that back to dollars and the banking system.
	Have we reached yet peak insanity on the money printing?
	Because I have a feeling we haven't.
	I have a feeling they're going to keep printing more and more and...
	You know, at what point does that just stop working?
	Yeah, that is, you know, what I've struggled with for a long time.
	And not to be confrontational, but it could have already happened.
	Let me explain.
	If, you know, anything in the world culture, I'll call it, that there's a lot of doesn't have much value.
	So if there's a lot of dollars, they start losing value that we've all preached for, you know, 20, 30, 40, 50 years.
	I mean, you go back to some of my predecessors and, you know, they'll tell you that.
	And that's the truth.
	That's one of the ultimate truths in the monetary system.
	However, what has to take place is that the populace, not 50%, not even 10%, it could be as small as a couple percent, reject it.
	They quit using it.
	They look for an alternative.
	And that was what we talked about earlier.
	If it's a wooden nickel, if it's crypto peer-to-peer, whatever.
	And we're seeing that more and more, which is a strong indicator that we are at the tipping point or close to it, which means they will continue to print, but then the market itself rejects it.
	So let's just take that one step further and do a thought experiment.
	Let's say that the pivot happens, as so many of my peer group have talked about.
	The Fed's up against the wall.
	Things are going worse and worse.
	Inflation, they're going to pretend it's getting a little bit better, and employment's getting a little bit better, but we're going to lower interest rates and solve everybody's problems and print more.
	Well, as a thought experiment, what if that is the tip?
	What if that's when industry and And the credit markets understand that the United States is not ever going to be good on their promises.
	They'll pay you in dollars, but they're going to be as good as Venezuelan dollars.
	And that's when I don't want anything to do with it.
	I'm going to look for an alternative.
	I'm moving into crypto.
	I'm moving into precious metals.
	I'm going to settle with goods for goods.
	I'm going to ship all my wheat and I want plums in return, whatever it is.
	So I think we're pretty close to it, actually.
	I do believe the man on the street, the woman on the street, you've got to be so correct these days, goes into the grocery store and says, I'm just making it.
	I'm, you know, two or three paychecks ahead, but I know darn well if I buy this peanut butter now, it's going to save me money six months from now.
	When we hit that point and enough people start doing that type of a thought process, it's pretty much over.
	Well, I think we're really close to that as well because, you know, food inflation is something that affects everyone because everyone eats.
	And as a result, the more the Biden administration says that inflation is getting lower and that or there's hardly any real inflation, the more they do that, the more everyday people realize that they're full of bunk because they're at the grocery store the more everyday people realize that they're full of bunk because they're at the grocery They're buying food and it's crazy.
	And, you know, they're paying double what they were often 18 months ago or at restaurants.
	You know, sometimes it's prices can double in a year right now.
	I mean, I've seen that.
	I'm not saying it's across the board.
	I'm not saying that bread is double or milk is double, but it's getting there.
	So the more money printing that happens, it seems, the faster this is going to the food inflation is going to hit and the more people are going to get red pilled, as we say about this and realize that, gosh, you know, the dollars just aren't holding value, period.
	it.
	Yeah, it will be rejected, and it has been.
	I mean, that's why, at the end of all great inflations, you see alternatives.
	And, you know, Bitcoin, like it or leave it, and I'm not a big fan of it, but regardless, it was a precursor to This whole idea of making a decentralized financial system of some type.
	And I've got to digress for a moment, Mike, but at the Money Show, my friend from Ireland told me an old Irish saying.
	He says, there's three things you can't hide.
	You can't hide the sun, the moon, or the truth.
	And I think that's what we're really underlying this theme the whole talk.
	Is that more and more people are almost forced into seeing what's real.
	You know, this is just ridiculous.
	You know, whatever it is, they start to wake up.
	Because once they start to question the mainstream narrative, be it on any issue, be it on prices, be it on transgenderism, be it on whatever, that automatically Puts a seed into the thought process of, well, if that's not true, and I know it's not, then what else are they lying about?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And that realization is hitting home for millions of people.
	I mean, just look at Tucker Carlson, left Fox News, went over to Twitter, posted one video, and I think that video got 100 million views or some crazy number like that, which is more than he ever got on Fox.
	So it's like, wow, the rules are changing.
	And I think the rules are changing about money, they're changing about food, they're changing about, you know, well, currency, as well as technology and media and so on.
	And I get the sense that the powers that be are just, their desperation is really showing the rules, the oppressive tactics that they thought would be effective have not been as effective as they hoped.
	And they're losing control day by day.
	And it's driving them nuts.
	And they're becoming dangerous as a result.
	What do you think?
	Totally agree.
	I mean, what is it?
	Rule 42.
	I forget the term.
	It's 42 is the number.
	But these ideas that they keep making it more and more difficult to control the play, as I keep talking about.
	And that means they're actually fearful.
	And they've got to control it even more than they already think they have, and it's not working.
	I mean, you cannot really undo natural law.
	You can try, and you can maybe make it happen for a while, and you can have a cancel culture and make sure that you're detweeted or whatever the term is.
	And that can work for a while.
	But again, you can't hide the truth.
	And the truth is powerful, and people are waking up, and they've had enough.
	To your point, right now, if the government said that gold is illegal, and everybody has to turn in their gold, Almost no one would turn in their gold.
	Totally agree.
	The ATF has said that arm braces are illegal, and that everybody has to register their arm brace AR-15s, and there are estimated to be 10 million of them in America.
	They've only received maybe 100,000 registrations, which means that there are almost 10 million people who said, no, we're not going to register.
	Same thing with crypto also, by the way.
	Imagine if the Treasury, if Yellen comes out and says, oh, all crypto is illegal now, you can't use it.
	People are just going to keep using it because what are you going to do?
	What are you, the government, going to do?
	I mean, gold, silver, crypto, ammo, guns, what are you going to do?
	You're going to go door to door and take everything?
	You're going to dig it all up?
	You're going to break everybody's cryptography?
	You're going to hack everybody's passwords?
	I mean, seriously, what are you going to do?
	I think we've reached that point where the people are basically saying a big bleep you to the government at this point.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Now, again, that goes back to, you know, have we reached a tipping point?
	Have we seen peak craziness?
	Peak insanity, I think, is your word.
	I like that the best.
	Have we hit peak insanity?
	We may have.
	I don't know.
	I don't either.
	Every time I think we've hit peak insanity, more crazy comes out.
	So, like, my definition of crazy has had to be expanded every year.
	So, what do we do with all this?
	Well, we keep doing what we're doing.
	I think education is the key.
	And I think individualism.
	You know, I think the idea that the truth, well, I keep overusing the word, but the idea was that you had your rights protected even if the majority ruled against you.
	It's called the rule of law.
	So if you were lawful and yet your neighbors all said, well, you can't this, but lawfully you were correct, your rights were protected.
	But now you have to vote the way you're told to vote or your social credit score goes down and you can't get your bank account over.
	Right.
	So we stay on track.
	Keep doing what we're doing.
	I mean, I know a lot of people are stacking silver and gold.
	A lot of people are buying food in advance to beat the inflation.
	A lot of people are moving out to the country.
	Relocations are happening at an epic scale.
	So...
	Does that seem like the right plan?
	Yeah, the right plan.
	Power comes from A lot of places.
	But for my life, it comes from the head and the heart.
	And I think that people need to, again, what I said, educate.
	I mean, there's a few just really basic books.
	Most are from the Mises Institute.
	Maury Rothbard, What Has the Government Done to Our Money?
	There's ones on, you know, small, almost booklet-sized forms that can really teach people how the system and how a true, honest system can work.
	And if you have that knowledge, you can make pretty strong arguments.
	I like the Socratic method, where you don't argue, you just question.
	You know, well, cryptocurrencies don't work.
	Oh, they don't.
	Okay, why don't they work?
	That type of thing.
	Well, the government has to make the money.
	Well, why does the government have to make the money?
	You know, we have to have this Well, you know what?
	The U.S. did quite fine with an income tax up until 1913.
	How did that work?
	I mean, those type of things.
	And this is what I think can get a discussion, even between the red, blue, green, purple, and polka dot.
	I don't care.
	I care about people generally, and I care about this country.
	And as so often used to be said, and I'm sure many on your show have talked about it, but love of country is Right.
	That's right.
	And that's a lot more people realizing that right now.
	So, David, we're going to wrap this up.
	This has already been really fascinating, and I hope we get a chance to talk again soon.
	Let me give out your website, themorganreport.com, and I encourage people to go there, sign up for your newsletter, read this page.
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	David, what would you like to leave people with today as a practical item or an overview?
	I think it has to do with reconnecting with real value.
	I think this whole thing has been an idea that, especially in the West, that money solves all problems, or if you have enough money, you're free, or all those types of things.
	But the real value, and if you remember my, and I don't know if you've ever even watched the Four Horsemen film, but I was asked something, and I talked about what used to make America great.
	This is way before the MAGA movement, way before.
	Yeah.
	I said it wasn't the greatest food or the best chef or the finest movie or the best book or the finest tailor.
	All these things that we put on at the end of these great inflations as being important.
	So what makes America great was integrity.
	When we did what we said we were going to do.
	When our word meant something, and that's the type of values we need to get back to.
	And there are leaders in the field, you're one of them, there's more than you, there's several, that are willing to do what needs to be done regardless of what people think or what might be popular at the time.
	Because the truth marches on majestically, whether you recognize it or not.
	Coming from the back end and looking from history, looking backwards, like we talked about earlier, it will prove itself out all by itself.
	Well said.
	Exactly.
	The truth will prevail.
	And I believe that future historians will look back at this time and they will call it the Age of Insanity.
	I mean, so many examples, and it's obvious.
	So don't go along with the insanity.
	Instead, think for yourself and be prepared, folks, for what's coming in terms of more bank collapse.
	Oh, I forgot to ask you to answer that question, David.
	One prediction.
	Will more banks collapse this year?
	Yeah, there's somewhere between 4,600 and 4,800 regional banks in the United States.
	Someone that I adhere to their thinking says he thinks that half of them will fail.
	I can't prove that.
	Who says that?
	What?
	I forget who it was, Hewitt or something.
	One of these guys on the internet that's got a pretty strong following.
	It's made a lot of sense to me over the years.
	And that's possible.
	They're all interconnected.
	The problem is that one bank is a counterparty to another bank is a counterparty to another bank is a counterparty to another bank.
	And that's where the risk is in your counterpart.
	I win.
	I made a bet against you, Mike, that blah, blah, blah, blah.
	But you're insolvent.
	You can't pay me.
	So who really loses?
	We both lose.
	You can't pay me and I can't get paid, so I'm out of business.
	Well, this is the one time when my prediction is more conservative than yours, David, because I publicly predicted there might be half a dozen more banks collapse by the end of the year.
	And you're saying it might be hundreds?
	Well, I want to qualify that.
	Yeah, qualify that if you want, yeah.
	Yeah, it would be in, I would say in theory only.
	It would be a mass consolidation.
	So let's say for an example that a big money center bank takes over this other bank.
	Well, those regional banks, there might be 300 of those banks, right?
	So that's in my statistic.
	But people think of it as one bank.
	The XYZ Bank was taken over by JP Morgan, okay?
	Well, they think of that bank took over that bank.
	No, they took over that bank's total holdings, which was 300 in whatever state.
	And they also took over the ABC bank, and they had 500 banks.
	So if you start looking at it from that perspective, you might see that the number I'm talking about could, and I didn't even say it.
	I'm not saying he's right or he's wrong, and I'm not trying to scare anyone.
	But there's a consolidation at hand that's very obvious.
	The powers that be want the regional banks to fail.
	They want to put it all into the money center banks, and they can consolidate their control into fewer and fewer, which means you've got your all-seeing eye looking over the entire world, and it's one entity that controls everything.
	That's their AI. That's what they're shooting for.
	You can take it out where you want.
	But thanks for letting me explain it.
	Yeah, fair enough.
	And I appreciate you doing that.
	And I just want to thank you for being here today.
	And also, I want to see if I can talk you into having the David Morgan line of silver ammo, which is also useful for gun battles with undead zombies, it turns out.
	This could be another business idea, David.
	Definitely.
	But functional, like actual silver bullets, but brass case with gunpowder.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Actual silver bullets, functional.
	How about that?
	The most expensive ammo in the world.
	Okay.
	All right, we're having a little fun, but thank you, David.
	I appreciate you and your time, and I think you're spot on, and I think the information you've offered here today is very valuable.
	So thank you for spending time with us.
	Always a pleasure, Mike.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Thank you.
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	Welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com.
	I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
	And as you know, we really care about the number of people in America who are suffering from serious drug addictions.
	And the solutions that have been offered out there so far are not very good, not very effective.
	And more and more lives are being lost to things like fentanyl and heroin and many others.
	In fact, as you know, I shared one of my relatives died from a fentanyl overdose a couple of years ago.
	Very sad.
	But there are people out there, I think, very intelligent, compassionate people who are looking for solutions that can potentially help the millions of Americans who suffer from addiction.
	And some of these solutions are in the process of being reviewed by the FDA.
	And approved for treatment for addiction.
	And we have with us today an extraordinary woman.
	She's a founder, a neuroscientist, and she is with a company called Demerex.
	D-E-M-E-R-X dot com is the website.
	Her name is Dr. Deborah Mash, and she is working on two molecular solutions that can help treat addictions and help save lives.
	And we want to welcome you, Dr.
	Deborah Mash, to the interview today.
	Thank you for taking time with us.
	Thank you for having me.
	It's our honor to have you on.
	And could you give us a little bit of a background of sort of who you are, what Demarex is about, and the two molecules that you're working on right now to treat addiction?
	I'm a...
	Founder and the CEO of Demarex, which is a company that I launched many years ago, actually, at the height of many different drug abuse epidemics that we've faced.
	I live in Miami, Florida, so you can recall that we were on the front-end loading of the cocaine epidemic.
	Yes.
	And for many years, I worked at an academic medical center at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine.
	And I held NIH funding to understand the effects of drugs that are abused on the brain and behavior.
	So I'm an NIH-funded investigator, and I spent many years in academia pursuing bench-to-bedside kind of research.
	And in the 1990s, I heard about a molecule that came from Africa, from Mother Nature, It's very interesting when you think about addiction and addicting alkaloids.
	They come from Mother Nature too.
	Yes.
	Pain, nicotine, opium.
	Mother Nature gives us those.
	That's right.
	Here's another molecule that comes from Western Equatorial Africa.
	That may be an antidote to addiction and indeed there is open label evidence that supports this idea that Ibogaine can be an addiction interrupter.
	So Ibogaine, this molecule, where is it normally found or is it extracted from certain types of plants right now?
	It is.
	It grows in the region, as I said, in western equatorial Africa in the part of the deep forests of Gabon and Cameroon.
	And it has over 100 years of ethnobotany, ethnopharmacology behind it.
	And before the pharmaceutical industry, before the synthesis of chemicals that became pharmaceuticals, Yes.
	And the Europeans were really sort of in the forefront of all of that, looking for, you know, different plants and different medicines that could be used to treat all manner of things.
	Yes.
	And I'm sorry, go ahead.
	Please.
	Well, I love what I'm hearing about this so far because Mother Nature does give us often answers.
	And yet, what you're attempting to do through the pharmaceutical FDA approval approach is, I think, one of the positive uses of the pharmaceutical approach to medicine, which is you want to have quality control, you want to standardize doses, you You want to have efficacy testing and then you want to be able to reach all the distribution that is recognized by the medical establishment to reach addicted people and also potentially maybe allow insurance to cover this because it's a
	good investment to get people off addictive drugs and bring them back to society.
	Are all those things, does that ring true with what you're attempting to do?
	150% rings true.
	Okay.
	You know, the...
	If you look at molecules that have been approved by the pharmaceutical industry, and keep in mind, big pharma does not put money into the development of addiction medicines.
	Really, most of the work was pioneered by the NIH. What have we got?
	We have methadone, which we know came from Germany and comes into the United States, and we have the methadone clinics.
	Which were substitution therapies to take people off of heroin and illicit opioids and put them on a medication that could substitute for, you know, going out and scoring heroin, you know, here, there, and everywhere.
	We then got buprenorphine, and buprenorphine was a pain medicine, Suboxone, Sublocade, Subutex, and that was repurposed because that was developed and advanced in France.
	For that purpose, and again, it's another opioid.
	So methadone and buprenorphine are substitution therapies.
	You can replace prescription opioids, which you may become addicted to, or heroin or fentanyl with long-term maintenance therapies.
	And this is where most of the money is being spent right now is to transition people from illicit drugs to On to prescription medication that's been approved by the FDA. And allow me to interject, the criticism that I hear of that is that you're simply shifting someone's addiction to now dependence on a pharmaceutical, but you haven't really allowed that person to be free from addiction, right?
	So that's the problem with methadone.
	That's what you are aware of as well?
	It is a kind of a definite issue for many patients because what are you treating?
	You're treating the symptoms and you're not treating the underlying disease of addiction.
	Why do people become addicted to drugs and alcohol?
	Some of us can go out and try a drug, try an opiate, try a prescription opiate, try a line of cocaine, smoke a cigarette, have a vodka martini and We don't escalate to dependence.
	Other people are vulnerable.
	They're at risk.
	And so there may be underlying traumas, self-medication, depression, anxiety, you know, the list goes on.
	So that person gets into a situation where they, you know, start using an opioid and they feel better.
	They feel normal.
	They feel better in social situations.
	They have anxiety relief.
	It helps to deal with the pain of trauma.
	And then you get into the cycle of abuse.
	How do you get off of drugs?
	The problem is that for many patients who become detoxified from opiates, in the early stages of recovery, they're at high risk for going back out and using heroin, prescription opioids, or fentanyl, and they overdose.
	Yes.
	So the medical community is really in a rock and a hard place because we want to save lives.
	And at the same time, we want something novel.
	Clinicians, doctors, addiction medicine specialists, pain medicine doctors, addiction psychiatrists want alternative approaches to break the cycle of addiction and to wean people off the opiates, get them off and transform the life of the person so that they can enter into a phase of sobriety.
	So then that brings us right to the question about Ibogaine.
	You're an expert in neurophysiology and neurochemistry, so I'm curious to hear about how does Ibogaine work?
	I honestly don't know anything about the molecule, but does it help rewire the brain into a way where the person no longer needs that addictive substance and doesn't even need a replacement?
	Please, please explain.
	In layperson's terms, A person's term.
	So, the mechanism.
	If Ibogaine was discovered, let me back up and say this, that the seminal discovery of Ibogaine was not made in an academic medical center.
	I didn't make the original discovery.
	This comes from an underground railroad of addicts helping addicts, and a person by the name of Howard Lutzoff is credited with making this seminal discovery.
	He took a dose of Ibogaine Like other psychedelic medicines that were in use at the time or being explored at the time.
	And he found that a single dose of Ibogaine would completely block the signed symptoms of withdrawal from opioids.
	But not only that, he didn't crave or desire to go back out and get high.
	Wow.
	But absolutely interrupted his addiction.
	And when I first learned about this, I thought...
	You know, no.
	Yeah, it sounds impossible.
	No.
	You know, no.
	And I didn't believe it, but his path and my path crossed, and he invited me to go to Amsterdam and to see it with my own eyes, and I did that.
	In 1992, the end of 1992, I got on an airplane.
	I brought a medical doctor with me, and we traveled there, and I saw three young men detoxify from opioids.
	And it was...
	Not short of remarkable.
	And what was remarkable to me as a person, as a neurochemist, neuropharmacologist, was how could one dose of this drug have all these lasting effects?
	I have that same question.
	They don't have to take it once a week or once a day.
	No.
	It's a single-dose administration, and in fact, indeed, with the company that I'm working with now in partnership with the Thai Life Sciences, we're developing it as a hospital-based intervention, single-dose administration for relapse prevention.
	But let me go on and tell you a little more about it.
	Okay, please.
	So right now, and also, Ibogaine is converted to an active metabolite, nor Ibogaine.
	So You're getting the psychedelic effect of the ibogaine, but then when the ibogaine is cleared from the blood, there's a long-acting metabolite.
	So we're looking at both of those molecules and trying to understand how they're contributing to this abrupt addiction interruption and helping people to not feel sick When they withdraw from drugs and to have mood improvement so they're not depressed, they're not anxious, they're not craving, and they're not ready to go back out and score drugs again.
	So let me get this straight, and please correct me if I have any of this wrong, but let's say someone is addicted to opioids and they decide to check into an addiction center or whatever's appropriate, and they stop the opioids,
	and And they're about to go through hell, you know, withdrawal, and then they could take at that point a single administered dose, once it were approved, of course, of Ibogaine, and that that would allow them to Would it ameliorate the withdrawal symptoms or eliminate?
	It does.
	It blocks the signs and symptoms of withdrawal.
	And this was what I saw with my own eyes with my colleague when we went over to Amsterdam and saw it for the first time.
	And is this for opioids?
	What about heroin?
	What about...
	It's a very good question.
	So, backing up historically, when I saw this and I came back to my academic career, I wanted to tell everyone about this because I thought, this is important.
	We need to test this in a controlled environment.
	So I went to my colleagues at the university and the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine was very supportive of me.
	And we went up to the FDA at that time and we presented a protocol to the FDA. I also presented a grant application to the NIH to get funding for this.
	The good and the bad of that story is that I was able to get FDA permission in 1993 and again in 1995, and the FDA was extremely collaborative with us.
	They were providing real guidance and support, but they don't pay for clinical trials.
	The FDA approves your study, they don't pay for it.
	So now we had approval to test, but we didn't have the money.
	And I couldn't get the money.
	And I didn't control intellectual property.
	And you know that drug development costs hundreds of millions of dollars.
	That's right.
	To get from a molecule to, you know, to the patient bedside.
	So this was, we were, you know, all dressed up, ready to go.
	FDA approval.
	Wonderful team of collaborators and scientists and clinicians, doctors behind this.
	No funding.
	Can I interject something here?
	I'm sorry to interrupt, but this seems so short-sighted on society's level because the investment in halting addiction pays off in orders of magnitude in terms of reduced...
	Not just lives lost, but the economic implications of addiction and the health care, the stress on the health care system, beds being taken up by many addicts because of the emergencies they get into, first responders, paramedics, you name it.
	And also the chaos caused in society by people dealing with addictions, which feeds into crime sometimes, thefts and so on, to steal things, to get money, to buy drugs.
	This is an investment pennies on the dollar, it would seem.
	But we have, yes, but we have a regulatory pathway.
	And the other aspect of this is, keep in mind, this was the 1990s, and Ibogaine is part of the new renaissance of psychedelic medicines.
	You know that psilocybin...
	has breakthrough designation with the FDA for the treatment of depression.
	Yes, we've covered that.
	MAPS and their development program and the pioneering efforts of Rick Doblin is now very close to getting the full green light to be used.
	And as a medical treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder.
	Ibogaine enters this now, fast forward, you know, 30 years from when I was first talking to the FDA. Now we have more of a societal climate where we can look at these molecules.
	These molecules got blacklisted.
	They got scheduled and they got blacklisted.
	They were being tested by qualified clinicians and scientists, but they got taken away from being studied.
	And Big Pharma, their roadmap is to have a blockbuster drug.
	If they're going to invest hundreds of millions of dollars to get a drug to an approval, to get a label and an approval for use, they need to have intellectual property.
	And they need to have a business model, a commercialization scheme to get paid back for that investment.
	So Big Pharma never really put the money behind addiction.
	But exactly what you're saying, I mean, now we're at a point where nothing's working, where we have a chemical weapon attack on our country with fentanyl.
	Agreed.
	120 people dying a day.
	That's like a plane crash a day.
	Yes.
	In our country.
	So we need to, you know, Start to think outside the box and say, what are we doing wrong?
	What can we do different?
	If Ibogaine is an addiction interrupter and it helps to transition patients so that we can get a rate of return on the healthcare delivery, we can save a lot of money.
	And this, as you pointed out, is a trillion dollar cost, societal cost.
	Well, you know, I have so many questions for you.
	I live in the state of Texas, and I would think that even a large state like Texas or California or New York or Florida would themselves say, let's invest in this because it would save our state so much money in terms of treatment and dealing with addiction.
	I mean, there's a humanitarian side of this, obviously beyond the economic side, but both of them have merit.
	So let me ask you a couple of questions.
	This is the first time we've ever spoken, so I apologize.
	These are basic questions, but do you have enough money now?
	Do you have investors?
	Are you looking for investors?
	How do you fund this right now?
	Right.
	Thank you for that.
	So, you know, we...
	I founded Demarex, and in 2017, at the height of the opioid epidemic, at the end of that year, I stepped out of my academic job to work full-time on this, so I'm all in.
	I kind of had a crisis in my own conscience about Ibogaine and the metabolite and said, you know, people are dying.
	This is ridiculous already.
	I need to finish what I started.
	We raised funds.
	I've reorganized our company, Demarex, and in 2020, we were successful in getting a joint venture with Atai Life Sciences.
	Atai Life Sciences is a publicly traded company and they've made a commitment for advancing these types of molecules Through regulatory approval to make them available to patients who desperately need them.
	So we're working with ATAI, and ATAI is funding the clinical trials, and we're advancing Ibogaine that way.
	Now, do we have enough money going forward?
	What is going to be the development path to get this done?
	Are we looking for strategic public-private partnerships?
	I think all of these things would be a yes, because we need to go fast.
	I'm getting old.
	This is getting old.
	People are dying.
	I want to go fast.
	I'm tired of this.
	We also have the metabolite noribogaine, and we're looking to develop noribogaine as much more of a standard use.
	So in other words, ibogaine would be given as an addiction interrupter, relapse prevention for opioid use disorder under full medical monitor in a setting where you have doctors to ensure patient safety.
	Yes.
	Oribogaine could be developed in a pill, a patch, or a depot to help maintain long-term sobriety.
	It's not an addicting substance, nor Ibogaine.
	I see.
	So this, we wouldn't be replacing one addicting molecule with another one.
	We'd have an alternative.
	And what some new information that's coming out and what's really exciting about the psychedelic renaissance is that, you know, when you abuse drugs and alcohol, what do you do?
	You damage your heart, you damage your liver, but, oh yes, you damage your brain.
	There's new evidence coming out from psychedelic medicines, whether it's ketamine, psilocybin, MDMA, that they're actually turning on growth factors in the brain.
	Windows of neuroplasticity, which allow people to be able to really have, perhaps that's part of the mechanism of this long-term open-label efficacy.
	But again, it's got to be proved in the clinic.
	And there's some novel in a placebo-controlled, you know, proper FDA-approved study.
	But the open-label information, because people are so desperate...
	People are so desperate.
	They're going now to offshore XUS into Ibogaine clinics, and I'm not endorsing that.
	It's really buyer beware.
	You have to be very careful if you're going to go take a drug that's not approved for use in a setting.
	You really need to do your homework on this, and I want your listeners to understand that because Ibogaine has risks and has been associated with adverse events.
	So you need to take it under a medical monitor.
	The data, what we're hearing from people, and I get things in my internet almost every day where a mother or a father will write to me and say, my son or daughter went off and took Ibogaine in Mexico or elsewhere, and And this helped him or this helped her.
	And I'm glad you mentioned that there can be adverse effects of this.
	However, and I'm sure you're well aware of this, this is one of those cases where it's risk versus reward.
	And if we look at the math on that, it's very simple.
	What's the risk of not helping someone overcome addiction?
	That risk is catastrophic.
	And if we have an intervention, and by the way, even my own audience might be surprised to hear me saying this, because so often we're critical of what big pharma does with its business model that often doesn't necessarily help people, but rather just sort of exploits them.
	But when there are cases where a molecular intervention can save a life, Can restore humanity, can restore someone to society, even if there's a risk.
	Let's say there's a 1% chance that this person has a very serious adverse event.
	But there might be a 50% chance that if that person is not cured of addiction or treated for their addiction, that they're going to end up dead one day.
	I mean, I don't know what the exact number is, but it's a significant number.
	So we have to think about risk versus reward in these cases.
	This isn't just treating high blood pressure.
	This is treating somebody who is in a situation that very often leads to suicide or death.
	And aren't I correct to point that out?
	Does that make sense?
	Absolutely.
	Well stated.
	This is a life-threatening illness.
	We see it every day.
	It's a life-threatening condition.
	And I lost a loved one, someone very, very dear to me to an addiction at 56.
	And I wish that something like this was available for him.
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	Well, and I have the same wish, you know, for my family member now passed years ago, but we are all living in a society where there are many people who are addicted to substances, and sometimes no fault of their own.
	Maybe they underwent surgery, and they were put on opioids, and then they needed more opioids, and the prescription ran out, and so on.
	Life is difficult right now for a lot of people for a lot of reasons.
	But let me ask you on a practical note.
	If Ibogaine is a naturally occurring molecule, as you mentioned, how does Demarex establish intellectual property with this molecule and obtain some...
	Because an FDA approval is really an exclusivity arrangement, essentially.
	A license for exclusivity for some period of time.
	How does Demarex solve or deal with this if the molecule is also out there?
	Demarex and a tie...
	This is an important question for all of these classes of molecules.
	Noribogaine has robust intellectual property, and as we get in the clinic and we learn more about ibogaine, there will be new intellectual property that will be emerging.
	I mean, that comes with the clinical development plan.
	Okay.
	You can do different things.
	You can have IP around, you can have patents around synthesis, formulation, you know, methods of use, etc.
	So I think, you know, the more we learn, and that's why clinical trials are so important, because you do exactly what you said, which is to define the risk-benefit profile of the molecule.
	Yes.
	You optimize the Ibogaine as a method of care therapy, And, you know, you advance it to a point where it can be commercialized.
	Yes.
	And my other question then, because, you know, I'm a business owner too, so some of these business questions come to mind, but you mentioned that at least in one protocol it's a single dose.
	So, obviously, that single dose would have to be somewhat, let's say, high price, because it's the one dose that...
	Potentially solves the problem.
	So wouldn't that one dose have to be maybe $25,000 or something?
	And even if it were that level, seems worth it to me if it works, by the way.
	I'm not even saying that that's too much.
	But wouldn't that have to be somewhere in that range?
	And we're going to learn more about this.
	Again, with the psychedelic companies that are advancing these molecules, they're going to start to price them for use.
	And addiction is a chronic relapsing disease.
	We know this, all right?
	So even if you put someone into remission, which is what you're doing, it's an addiction interrupter, you're going to put it into remission.
	We don't know whether you take Ibogaine once a year, you take it every six months, maybe you need it three times in your life.
	Maybe you relapse, you go back and you get another treatment.
	So we don't know yet.
	I mean, that's why you must do the clinical trials to demonstrate what that window is.
	You put the disease of addiction into remission for how long?
	Is it 90 days?
	Is it six months?
	We know from the work that we did that When I established an offshore clinic, and we had 277 people who took Ibogaine in a government-approved facility in the Caribbean.
	And we followed them, and we studied them, and they participated in the research.
	And for some subjects, it had long-term effects, and for others, they needed more than one dose.
	So again, we've got to get into patients.
	We've got to have the real data.
	Well, I wonder, too, if there's something about the genetics of different individuals who are metabolizing the molecules more quickly.
	I mean, I'm a food scientist, and I know this about MSG, for example.
	People of Asian ethnicity are able to very easily metabolize MSG, and they don't suffer from headaches and flushing and things like a lot of Native Americans do.
	I mean, I'm sure you're going to be looking at all that.
	But I have another question for you.
	You're an expert in neurochemistry, but I want to ask you about the neurosocial triggers in this because, as I understand it, having interacted with my now past family member trying to help him, What happened to him or what happens to a lot of addicts is in isolation, they may be fine, but they go back to their social circle.
	And in that social circle, those people are users.
	And that pattern re-triggers the comfort zone in their brain.
	I want to be socially accepted, got to do drugs with these people over here.
	Is that not true?
	Absolutely.
	I mean, the social peer pressure...
	It's one of the big drivers.
	I have a slide that I show when I give talks where you talk about why do you get stuck in this cycle of abuse?
	Well, it could be that you're mood disordered and you're self-medicating depression or anxiety.
	I mentioned that.
	But also there's learned behavior.
	Drugs hijack the learning mechanism of the brain.
	So when you take a drug or alcohol and you feel good, You make an association.
	It's a learned association with that setting where you use the drug.
	And so when you go back into the setting, you trigger that memory of the high.
	So absolutely.
	But what's interesting about Ibogaine is, again, what I said about this neuroplasticity.
	I think when you become dependent, drug dependent, or alcohol dependent, what happens Basically, what's happening is this is plasticity in the brain, too.
	I've studied genetics and genomics of the brain, and many different markers turn on.
	You actually remodel the actual DNA in the cell, the cells that are part of the addiction loop.
	And doctors and neuroscientists and genomic scientists are looking for those pathways to try to repurpose molecules to kind of reset that.
	It looks like Ibogaine does reset that.
	So if it's doing that, then you can be in a surrounding where it's not going to trigger that memory of the high.
	And that's what we need to learn.
	We need to learn more about that.
	But people need to work a program.
	There's no simple miracle cure with Ibogaine.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, no.
	One of my patients, if you let me say this, one of my patients said it best.
	He said, Dr.
	Mash, Ibogaine is the high dive of recovery.
	You're going to get out further and farther in the pool, but you still need to swim when you hit the water.
	I completely agree, and I want to reinforce what you just said, that in no way are we saying that there's one magical dose that's going to take over the responsibility of the patient taking that journey of self-healing.
	And that they need a support network.
	They need proper oversight.
	They need care.
	This is a journey that needs tremendous support in order to be successful, but the rewards are quite great on the other side.
	I want to clarify, did you mention that Ibogaine, you called it a psychedelic itself, I believe.
	Yes.
	And by that, I mean, do you mean in the general sense that it has some psychedelic properties as well?
	It does.
	Okay, I'm curious.
	Ibogaine is dose-dependent, so when you get up to certain higher doses, it's Not LSD-like, it's not psilocybin-like, it's not MDMA-like.
	It seems to be, I've never taken it, but what the patients tell us is that it's different than these other classes of molecules.
	But what it does do is that the patients report about 35-45 minutes, an hour after they take an oral dose, that it's What we call an oneric experience.
	It's like a waking dream.
	If you've ever had a lucid dream where you wake up from a lucid dream and you're like, wow, I was right there in that dream.
	Well, they're experiencing this.
	And those visions often center on early life events, traumas, Bad things that happen when you use drugs and alcohol.
	And what the patients tell us, it's like a fourth step in the NAAA movement where you get a moral inventory.
	So some of the visionary, people are very excited about the visionary experience of Ibogaine, which lasts anywhere from about four to eight hours.
	And then it shuts off abruptly and there's a deep phase of cognitive introspection where you're kind of piecing the information that came to you while you were under the experience.
	And this is profoundly transformative.
	Wow.
	And that's why many in the medical field and the psychiatry field are looking at these classes of molecules, whether it's psilocybin or Or LSD, the old LSD therapy that was done, you know, many, many decades ago that all got shut down, that these molecules now may give us windows onto the brain and behavior.
	And you made a very important comment when you said, you know, people need to take back control of their lives.
	Ibogaine helps you to rewrite your own mythology.
	Yes.
	I was addicted to Yesterday, today I'm not.
	And now I have an opportunity to change it up.
	What's going to be different this time?
	To take back the locus of control.
	That's extraordinary.
	I'm really glad you brought that up because we live out our lives through internal narratives.
	And those narratives are influenced by a lot of external forces and sometimes they're false narratives and sometimes they're destructive.
	And although you probably don't use this term, but I would say in a general sense, Some people might describe what you're describing as kind of hacking your own neurology.
	Now, again, maybe that's a negative connotation with that term.
	I love it.
	Yes?
	I love it.
	You like that.
	You use it.
	Oh, you do?
	Okay.
	Here's what you just taught me, hacking your own neurology.
	It's well stated.
	Yeah, it's hacking your own neurology with positive intent.
	And...
	This term, you used the term neuroplasticity, which that's one of my favorite terms because human civilization would not exist without neuroplasticity, and yet that process can be hijacked through addictive molecules that rewire the brain in a destructive way, but we can also choose to rewire it in a positive way by harnessing molecules from nature, which is what you're doing.
	I wonder, was in the ethnobotanical use of this molecule, was it, I'm guessing, used ritualistically by shamans and so on?
	It was used, yes.
	It was an act of sacrament in the Bwiti religion, in the parts of Gabon, in the deep forest, and It was really given in the highest dose, maybe once or twice in a lifetime only, but it helped to bond people together and was very powerful and very sacred medicine.
	I would imagine so, yeah.
	And that, even from an anthropological point of view, throughout the history of the world and all the different ethnicities, they have turned to many local plants for such things.
	There's even a plant in Texas.
	That is, the Latin word for it is like vomicus, but it's actually, it's a very common shrub, and it's the only North American source of naturally occurring caffeine, and the Native Americans would overdose, you could say, on caffeine, and they would have caffeine-induced visions, and then they would vomit, but this was part of a ceremony right here in Texas.
	There you go.
	It's amazing when you look at the history of all this.
	So, can I ask you about FDA then?
	What's your roadmap look like for FDA consideration and approval and is it appropriate for grassroots people to help provide any kind of, I don't know, awareness about this?
	Thank you for that question.
	I'm with you on being a, you know, kind of citizen scientist.
	I am with you on that.
	I believe food is medicine.
	I think we need to take back the power of healing ourselves and become good consumers.
	And yes, the grassroots, the, you know, giving, you know, requesting that we go fast will help to put Pressure on stakeholders to help with the regulatory path for approval of Ibogaine.
	And I think there's a lot of people, you know, there's a whole network right now of Navy SEALs and some of our ex-military men and women who suffered blast trauma and became addicted and they suffered from PTSD. I get phone calls all the time from people who have served us and our country.
	I think we're good to go.
	Families who have lost loved ones, all of this comes together, and I don't think it can come together fast enough.
	So I really appreciate the message you're giving to your listeners.
	We need all the help we can get.
	Well, so what can listeners do, for example, on their social media?
	Would it make sense to hashtag Ibogaine?
	Like, we need solutions for addiction?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	And, you know, spread the word, talk to your doctors, talk to your clinicians.
	You know, we do have, we're going to go, I'm looking forward to having, it's been a long time since I've been in front of the FDA with Ibogaine more recently, with Nora Ibogaine, but we're going to be, we're preparing now to go back in and have conversations.
	We're doing, the Ibogaine research has been approved for For testing in the UK, and the FDA equivalent of the UK has been very collaborative.
	I know that the FDA will be very collaborative when we go and bring the safety information to them, and that they will help to guide us.
	And hopefully, you know, we'll be able to do something innovative with the FDA. FDA can give breakthrough designation.
	They can give fast-track designation.
	Yes, I was just thinking that.
	You know, the FDA, the men and women there want to help us.
	We want to help to advance, and I know that they want to help come up with novel mechanisms.
	You know, we just have the new naumethene, the new opion molecule that's going to be approved for use for fentanyl overdose.
	You saw how Narcan moved forward very quickly.
	So we're going to save people from overdoses.
	Let's give them an alternative to help take back their life.
	That's an interesting point you just brought up.
	What was that molecule you just mentioned?
	Nelmethene.
	Okay, you might have to spell that for me.
	I'm not familiar with that one.
	A longer acting opioid antagonist.
	So, you know, the fentanyl, you have to have multiple doses of Narcan in order to, you know, bring risk often to resuscitate someone from an opioid OD to fentanyl.
	So this molecule is going to show that it can save people that are overdosing on fentanyl.
	Well, I'm really glad that you mentioned our men and women in uniform, our veterans and active duty soldiers, but also first responders.
	So, you know, we, in my universe, we interact with a lot of law enforcement and a lot of Navy SEALs and Special Forces.
	And law enforcement deal with contact exposure to fentanyl or inhaling it during an arrest, for example.
	And I've seen, you know, I guess Narcan injections that have saved lives of law enforcement right there on the spot because they were going through an accidental exposure overdose during an arrest event.
	So these antagonist molecules are really critical for first responders.
	I think.
	Absolutely.
	And, you know, we all should carry them.
	Because you never know where you're going to be.
	You may see someone who, you know, is...
	Suffering from an opioid-related overdose.
	Wow.
	I carry it in my purse.
	Really?
	That's okay.
	I didn't know.
	Can people get that over the counter?
	Yeah, they can now.
	They can now.
	Oh, I didn't know that.
	Well, next time I go to Austin, I'll bring some because I don't know what kind of craziness is going on in downtown Austin these days.
	There are different parts in Colorado and whatnot.
	They're giving them away.
	They're distributing them.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Well, this is really critical information, and I want to thank you for taking the time to share this with us, and I hope you'll keep us informed.
	And, you know, I want to say to our audience, this is a positive use case.
	For the pharmaceutical approach and going to the FDA and making the argument and presenting the data and saying, look, we need this now.
	So I want to wish you the best in this, Dr.
	Mash.
	I think that the world needs the solution that you're bringing to us.
	We're very grateful.
	I'm very grateful to you and to my joint venture partner, Atai Life Sciences, because they've They're funding this, and with the support of people like yourself and others and families, we'll get this done.
	We'll make this available for patients.
	Any idea?
	Are we talking five years out?
	Is there any projection at all?
	I don't have long.
	Let's shorten it.
	Let's hope it's faster.
	I agree.
	This is an emergency.
	This is a national emergency.
	We're losing, what, 60,000 men a year in America alone, something just to fentanyl, I believe.
	Yes.
	This is, okay, a real crisis, but we've got solutions.
	Well, thank you, Dr.
	Debra Mash.
	It's been a pleasure speaking with you.
	Thank you very much.
	All right.
	And the website, folks, again, is demerex, D-E-M-E-R-X.com if you want to learn about this.
	Just to be clear, I'm not an investor.
	I haven't been paid for this.
	This just came up on my radar, and Dr.
	Debra Mash was kind enough to join us for this first-time interview today.
	And I think this is a very valuable solution that we need to really embrace as a society.
	So let your governors know about it.
	Let your congresspeople know about it.
	Let your senators know about it.
	And let's see if we can get the FDA to put this on emergency approval for something that can save lives.
	Thank you for watching.
	I'm Mike Adams here at Brighton.com.
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