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April 25, 2023 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Theo Farmer from Helios Farms unlocks the secret to food abundance...
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Welcome to today's interview.
I'm Mike Adams here on brighttown.com and you know food is critical to our survival and our liberty and we have two very special guests joining us today.
It's Theo Farmer and his wife Kira and they are the Wadmans and they have a farm called HeliosFarms.com and it's known as an orthomolecular restorative farming operation.
HeliosFarms.com.
Well welcome Theo and Kira.
It's a pleasure to have you on.
We've got a lot to talk about.
Welcome to the show.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Mike.
It's a pleasure to be here.
You've been a fan for a long time, and we really are excited about being on the show.
Well, that's awesome.
I really welcome you here because, you know, I recognize that food and food decentralization, self-reliance, clean food, local food, all of these things are critical to our survival, you know, as a civilization.
Let's talk about first, can you introduce yourself and Helios Farms and what is it that you actually do?
Since this is the first time we've had you on.
Yes.
We started...
I was raised on a small farm in Silverton, and I worked for farmers at the time.
We had a lot of farming in the area.
I drove a lot of equipment.
My parents used to ask me what I was learning out there in the field, and I used to say, well, I'm learning.
I don't want to be a farmer.
Part of the reason was I was working for these commercial farmers that What I could see was that they didn't have control over what they put on their fields.
They were working for corporations that were dictating, you know, what they planned, when they planned it, things like that.
And that didn't interest me at the time.
So I went into technology.
I had a software localization company in the 80s and 90s, and I sold that.
And during that time, my children had serious health issues.
And I had a son of cancer.
I had a disabled son.
So I was thrown into this medical industry that we just had to try to keep the children alive and figure out ways to heal them.
And over time, in the early 2000s, I came to the realization that things were pretty messed up and there was a lot of deception.
By the time I was in my 50s, I had traced the issues that they had mostly to vaccines and pharmaceuticals that they got in the early, when they were born in the 80s and 90s.
Wow.
So we came at farming with a few principles.
One is that we don't want to use any pharmaceuticals with anything.
Yeah.
The little farmers that are born here on the farm, our grandchildren, are completely unvaccinated.
They've been raised under microbiome science, which is true health science, and nutrient science, which is orthomolecular science.
So that's what we focus on with our farm, but we also took the radical position in about 2010 that no livestock should get any pharmaceuticals either.
And that we should be focused on microbiome science and nutrient science.
So we learned, you know, Linus, we came at it with Linus Pauling's information about vitamin C. And we implemented, he started orthomolecular science.
So we started raising our own food.
We got our own cow early on.
What animals do you have, and sort of what are you producing on the farm, plants and animals?
Right.
So the centerpiece of our farm is a raw dairy, and we deliver raw milk to 250 families in Oregon, from Roseburg to Portland.
And then we raise hogs, and we raise chickens, so both laying chickens and meat chickens.
Everything is on pasture.
We use regenerative farming techniques.
But because of our focus on the microbiome, we call it restorative because we're really restoring an Edenic Garden of Eden balance to the microbiome.
Okay, that's great.
So people who are in the Oregon area, is that northeast of Portland, or where are you talking about?
We're south of Portland in about three hours, yeah.
Oh, okay.
Like the Eugene area, that kind of area?
Yeah.
Right, right.
When people ask us where our farm is, and we say Oregon, A lot of people just automatically think Portland, and we're like, no, we're not in Portland.
But we do serve it.
We do serve Portland, and there are a lot of really good people there.
A lot of craziness going on there, but we just run up out of our canyon, deliver their good food, you know, and run back.
And then get out of there before you get carjacked?
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Okay, well this is really cool.
Okay, so I love the fact that you are dedicated to not using pharmaceuticals with your animals.
Now, for those others who are listening who may be ranchers, That can be very difficult unless you have the right knowledge.
So there's such a heavy push for vaccines and pharmaceuticals and also just deworming, for example.
A lot of ranch animals will get worms.
It's very common.
I deal with that with goats, and I have to have this herb concoction, like black walnut holes and everything, and convince the goats to eat that.
I don't treat any of my chickens with any pharmaceuticals whatsoever, even my donkeys.
I use holistic methods with them as well.
But it's hard for a regular person who doesn't know this stuff to do this.
I mean, how did you even manage to bridge that?
You had to get your animals off all those injections and into holistic practices.
How did you do that?
So we started with One cow.
We lived in Corvallis, Oregon.
We bought that cow because we found out that Kira could drink raw milk.
She had been what they call lactose intolerant, but we now call it processed milk intolerant all of her life.
And then we got some raw milk in Oregon at a small farm nearby, and we tried to get on their list for a...
To get raw milk steadily, but it was a waiting list.
So raw milk in Oregon is illegal to sell in stores, at that time especially, and small farms could sell it, but you were allowed to own three cows, milk only two cows at once.
Those were the statutes of Oregon.
So it was really...
Isn't it kind of like the king telling the peons how much you're allowed to eat and how much you have to starve?
I mean, that's crazy.
But isn't Oregon also the state where they made it illegal to collect rainwater and certain types of runoff?
Yes, sir.
Crazy.
All of it belongs to the state, apparently, that falls out of the sky.
So anyway, we started milking a cow.
We decided, because of our farming background at the time...
Well, if we want raw milk steadily, let's just get a cow.
And we had an acre in Corvallis.
We got a cow.
She had a calf.
We started milking her and then we were getting five gallons of milk a day.
And so we started sharing the milk and learning.
We started learning about this legal structure and things like that.
After two or three or a couple of years there, we had five cows on our property.
So we were Not compliant with the statutes.
And so we had contacted the Farm to Consumer Legal Defense Fund, which is a spin-off of...
Oh, yeah.
We covered them a lot, yeah.
Yeah.
And we worked with them, and we ended up writing contracts and working under herd share contracts, and that was legal.
And so there's a lot of just lawfulness work, you know, because in...
The way that we moved forward was more and more towards what are our God-given rights around owning a cow, milking a cow.
And when you start thinking in those terms, then you can make a lot of progress.
We now have 50 cows.
We're milking 15 and we're distributing milk to all these members of our farm.
And that's the way that we went about it.
Wow.
Okay.
Oh, do you want to say something, Kara?
Go ahead.
Yeah.
So one of the things that we did, because we'd never owned cows before, we'd grown up on small farms, but, you know, I didn't grow up raising cows.
So one of the things we did is we looked at, and we're pretty inspired by what Joel Salatin was doing back in, you know, 2010 when we learned about him.
And we have that same question about How do you worm your cows?
You're not using the wormers at the store.
We didn't want to do that.
And he had a real simple approach, and he uses a Shackley product or something, but I don't actually know what the ingredients are in that, but he tries it.
You put a little bit of that once a month into their water, and that's that.
And so we use, I think, Dr.
Bronner's or something super, super mild, and we put that in their water once a month.
And so there's no, we don't have any kind of overwhelm.
We do have, the only thing we use a vet for is to occasionally test our herd to see what kind of parasites and what level And we have almost zero over all these years.
That's amazing.
And everything's in perfect balance.
Well, and also, you don't have them in cramped, crazy conditions that predispose them to disease.
And I've noticed that with chickens.
Like, my chickens, they don't have any boundaries.
They go wherever they want.
And I told you, off-air, they also went into my vehicle and tracked chicken mud all over all my seats.
That was my fault for leaving it open.
But I have chicken tracks all in my car.
But they go everywhere, look for places to go, but as a result, even where they defecate is distributed, so it's cleaner per square foot, you could say.
Absolutely.
Right?
And if you give animals space, they will use that space.
Like, I burn wood in the winter for heat, and then I take the ashes and I dump them in an ash pile.
Well, Sure enough, find out the chickens love the ash pile because they get in it and they scoop the ash under their wings and this is a natural pest control.
Absolutely.
Right?
And I didn't know that.
I just saw it by accident.
Now I deliberately put the ashes there and all the animals use ash.
My donkeys find dirt.
They roll in the dirt to coat dirt all in their fur.
Animals are smarter than we give them credit for.
Right.
They do have an intrinsic...
Yeah, intelligence, and I'm sure that you don't have mites because of the ash.
No, we don't have mites at all.
But I will say the one, quote, pharmaceutical I use, which is just a molecule from soil, is ivermectin.
I do use ivermectin because, again, it's derived from soil microbes.
And so, you know, the drug companies just replicate that molecule, which is of natural origin.
And ivermectin is, you know...
Banished by the establishment.
They don't want you to use it because it's so effective.
So I use it with myself.
I use it with my goats and my dogs.
And then I also use, for my chicken water, I use chlorine dioxide.
They always get chlorine dioxide in their water.
I find that helps them a lot.
Yeah.
Sometimes we use vitamin C. We use vitamin C a lot.
With our chickens.
With our chickens.
With our little chicks.
And we use it to...
I mean, I write...
For the orthomolecular new service, sometimes the farming methods.
I've had really dramatic issues with cows that I've been able to turn around with high-dose vitamin C. And so there's a lot of...
The first thing, though, I think, is that we have to pull these interventions away.
And that was our approach.
We said, well, you know, our grandson at the time, he was named Helios, our daughter.
Our first grandson was born.
He was a vitamin C baby.
He was unvaccinated.
She had done all this research that made the birth experience she had dramatically different.
She had the baby in the bathtub at our house in Corvallis.
And so we realized, whoa, there's all this deception in the birthing industry and they start to try to get to the kids and Inject them.
Right.
And so when we had our first calf, I started thinking, well, why would I stick a needle in a calf right when it's born?
There's a natural process that that cow follows.
And we've developed that over the last decade into a science.
We use the most, like I say, the most advanced science, microbiome science.
When a calf is born...
It's compelled to go and nurse.
That's the first thing it does is grab onto its mother's udder and it gets basically a sampling of the microbiome of the herd when it does that.
The raw milk is actually intelligently designed to sort the microbes and implant them in the gut and that's what breastfeeding mammals is all about.
So when we start into the, you know, the human superorganism, microbiome science, and we apply it to farming, we end up over a couple generations easily tuning the microbiome to where you actually eliminate disease.
You know, in a decentralized setting where we have, you know, our goal with the model that we are pushing for our kind of farm is we have the raw dairy We have about 40 cows, 50 cows, and we're producing milk for about 1,000 families.
Once we hit that capacity, we are profitable enough to fund a new farm.
And so we bring young people in, we train them on all of this model that we are using, and then we're setting up new people on these 100 to 200-acre farms that deliver milk and eggs and meat.
We're feeling a real urgency because of everything you've been reporting on.
We can't do this fast enough because people are waking up and going, wow, there's mRNA in our food, and there has been, and where are we going to get our food?
And they're in a city, and they want their food, and they're listening to you, and they've got their gardens, and they've figured out the plant site.
What are they going to do about meat and milk?
Yeah.
Well, in fact, I was covering this news earlier, a cattle group to form task force related to mRNA vaccines.
This was in the news today, and it talks about how the Cattlemen's Association, they're trying to figure out what to do because they're pro-vaccine, of course, right?
Right.
But the word is getting out about mRNA vaccines now in pork products.
It's been used there for several years, I understand.
And it's currently not, as I understand it, not used in cattle, but it could be on the verge of being used on any given day.
So this cattleman's group is trying to decide, are they going to go in and go pro-mRNA vaccines for their beef, which would mean there'd be a nationwide rejection of beef, kind of like Bud Light.
I hope so.
Or everybody would say, I'm not going to buy grocery store beef anymore.
I'm only going to buy it from local farmers that don't use mRNA.
What are your thoughts on vaccines and the meat supply?
When we started, we said we're not using any pharmaceutical chemicals, and we recognized that vaccines are pharmaceutical chemicals.
And so...
But a lot of people didn't recognize that.
They knew they didn't want antibiotics in their food.
They knew they didn't want hormones in their food.
But vaccines are such like a sacred cow.
They were when we started.
People that were associated with our farm would discourage us from even talking about our anti-vaccine stance.
But the fact is that livestock in this environment, in And really in any environment, they do not need vaccines.
The diseases are largely created diseases.
So if you, for example, look at a small amount of glyphosate in the feed, so many cattle are fed grain.
If it's conventional grain, there's glyphosate.
Glyphosate in very minute amounts acts as an antibiotic.
It happens to target Particular organisms, it creates gut inflammation, and what it does is it sets up microbiome disruption that causes disease.
So if you look at a common vaccine for cattle, one of them is called the seven-way vaccine, and it's a group of clostridial organisms that are overgrowth diseases.
So Those clostridial organisms are actually what glyphosate targets a microbe that controls clostridials.
And so if glyphosate's killing off that microbe in their gut microbiome, then those clostridial diseases can grow and can thrive.
If you remove...
So glyphosate is part of the problem.
Other pesticides, we have these organisms Already in the food system.
And so those diseases are, you can really look at them as created diseases.
If you have Monsanto making glyphosate and then all the same folks who, you know, run and are financially bound to those companies are making the vaccines for the diseases caused by eating cattle glyphosate, then there's a problem.
And if we remove all those interventions and we just start working with a Sound microbiome tuning over several generations, those diseases just disappear.
You can address them in other ways.
Yeah, isn't that interesting that the more you use the chemicals of the industry, then the more you have to become dependent on other chemicals, and they trap you in this cycle of death and suffering of the animals and contaminated food at the same time.
But you mentioned, Kira, that there's a kind of urgency among people, or Theo, you mentioned this, about people learning to farm and produce milk and eggs and cheese and so on.
I completely agree.
I think right now, more than ever, a lot of people are awakening to the fact that the food supply is not reliable, it's not clean, and it's not safe.
And as a result, so many people are consciously leaving the cities, seeking to get out into the country and to get hands-on, learning how to grow food, even at a basic level.
Now, maybe they start with plants, which is fine.
Plants don't walk away and require fencing, like cows and goats.
So maybe that's easier to start with.
But people are trying all kinds of things.
So I'd like to hear from you Number one, are you getting that kind of story from people leaving the cities and wanting to get into farming?
And then secondly, do you have some success stories of people who you've taught who are doing this now on their own?
Well, we have profound...
We have stories of profound reversal in disease in people that have been with us a long time that are only eating reference.
A lot of folks are expanding wherever they are.
So if they have a backyard, they're growing food because they don't trust what's even coming labeled organic or non-GMO anymore.
I mean, Bill Gates is all about getting mRNA into plants.
He wants to change.
It's demonic what's going on.
People are really focused on doing what they can and then finding farms that can do what they can't do.
And I would just say that for a lot of the homesteaders, we have people come in, they learn butchery here, they learn how to milk cows here, they learn how to manage chickens and move all the animals across the pastures and learn how to Be there when a calf is being born.
But I will tell you that a farm that really focuses just on that experience is Mark Baker's farm, Baker's Green Acres.
And I just want to say that because that is accessible to anyone, even if they can't go get hands-on.
He has the videos.
He's really doing a lot in that area.
And like I said, we do that too, but it's not our...
Total focus.
And so the training that we're doing for people who come to the farm is just...
It's phenomenal.
They learn how to make cheese.
They learn how to...
They learn all about raw milk.
It's not anything that's going to go bad.
It just transforms into something else and restores their microbiome.
Restores their gut health.
Yeah.
And we have an internship program, Mike, where young people come in.
We just had...
Two people that came two years ago, and they went through our internship program, went through our apprentice program, and then headed out to their home in North Carolina.
Got married here, actually.
Had a baby.
The husband delivered it himself because they built all his confidence about, you know, Birthing and health and understood that that's such a natural process.
And they're starting their own farm.
They have several cows now back there.
We sent them.
We smuggled them some cows.
And the overall model that we've put together is to finish this farm in a way where we're serving a thousand families.
And then that's the cap.
That we think is a good cap for a farm where you maintain the connection to the animals.
We don't stick name tags in any of our cows.
We have names for all the cows.
Everybody connects.
There's an energetic thing that's really beautiful about a small farm.
So when we started, we said the solution is to decentralize the food system back to local Family-run or team-run farms.
And our model is to build that, have a thousand-member community that's getting food that people are coming to our on-farm butchery and learning and butchering their own animals and packaging the meat and taking it home with them.
And so that kind of engagement, we can have a model where, you know, if you look at like the food, Jim Gale's model, food forest abundance, That's a beautiful way to, like, take lawns and convert them to the food for us.
But the meat and the milk, the dairy aspect, needs to be run at a little bit larger scale, but not a huge scale.
It should be capped.
And that's where we've done a lot of thought and analysis and said you never want to have, you know, They have 40,000 cow dairies and it's insane.
Let me ask you about big picture questions about the food supply in general and the resilience of society.
So, you know, we saw during the COVID lockdowns, we saw a lot of the meat facilities were locked down.
Some of it was just malicious.
They would come in and say, oh, we swabbed this, and we tested positive on this PCR that we made up, and now you've got to shut down the whole thing.
This was obviously all being done on purpose.
They wanted to create food scarcity, and you've seen all the sabotage of the food facilities that apparently is continuing to this day.
But it seems like the government regulators...
In Oregon and California, you know, especially these kind of blue states as they are, sadly, the regulators want to drive all the small farmers out of business.
They want everything centrally controlled by big powerful corporations that pay kickbacks to the campaign finance of the Democrats that are pushing all the regulations and they claim this is about public safety.
But in reality, the food that they're pushing out is the most toxic, worst, disease-promoting food that you can imagine.
Which is good for them.
Which is good for them, yeah, because then they get kickbacks from pharma, too, right?
And the cancer industry.
So it's this whole...
It's a racket, right?
It's a racket of toxic food and trying to regulate small farmers out of business.
But my question to you is...
As a nation, if we're going to survive, if we're going to be resilient, if we're going to be redundant, especially given all the stuff that's happening, maybe war with Russia, maybe war with China, maybe financial collapse, who knows what, isn't it true that we need thousands of small farms across the country operating?
You got it.
That's exactly right.
And we need to roll them out as quickly as possible.
And I want to mention just real quick that that couple he was talking about Neither one of them had ever been on a farm.
This is really important.
One of them, the husband, was raised in Shanghai and then went from there to New York.
And then COVID happened, didn't know what was going on, but he knew he didn't want to be there.
Ended up on our farm through a woofing program.
And same thing with Sarah, came from North Carolina, had never been on a farm.
So yes, it can be done.
Young people are waking up at a really, really fast pace, and we are just churning out these, training these folks, and they are going to go out in the world and make a difference.
How can we do that as quickly as possible?
People with land need to do this.
People who are willing to put together a On farm butchery, that's not so easy.
There's a lot that goes into that.
A little on farm lab like we have.
And do it by private membership.
You've got to get out of the centralization of asking permission when it's not only God given, it's constitutionally protected for us to be able to Yeah, the right to engage in contract, right?
The right to own a portion of a cow or a portion of a cow's output.
By the way, what's the best place where people can get information about how to form these private membership groups?
So I've actually helped two farms, Project Farmstand in Michigan form a ministry and private membership association.
So we put together the documents that form the jurisdiction.
You're essentially setting up a jurisdiction and so the public domain really has no oversight of what you're doing when you set the jurisdiction up properly.
It's similar to setting up like a corporation or an LLC. And so I've been working on that since we did it for our farm.
Several years ago, even before COVID, we set up a private membership association.
And I learned more and more.
We actually founded a church, which is called the Orthomolecular Garden Church.
And that's under the 508C1A code, U.S. code, which makes it a A correct church.
It's not a corporate church.
Churches have been deceived in some ways to become corporations and ask permission from the state.
So the organization that I was certified through is called GetYourPMA.org and that's the group that I work with in forming these private membership associations.
So far, I've helped two farms create those, one in California and one in Michigan.
So when you said getyourpma.org?
Yeah.
Or.com.
Yeah,.org isn't coming up.
Let me try.com.
Getyourpma.com.
Yeah, that's coming up.
PMA Power?
Yeah, pmapower.org is the other one.
Oh, okay, pmapower.org.
You can always email us if you have questions, and Theo can point you to the right place.
But is that a service that you offer to people to help them get set up as well?
Yes, we do.
There's a group of people through that organization that are working with farms and food establishments to create private membership associations.
In Texas, you have the famous, you know, kind of Dry counties where people aren't allowed to drink.
And then they set up private membership associations, which are essentially drinking clubs.
So you create a private jurisdiction that's outside the jurisdiction of the state and the federal governance.
And I have a lot of background in that.
I actually ended up I had a lawsuit in the 90s where I sued Blue Cross Blue Shield of Oregon, and jurisdiction was one of the big lessons that I learned about there, so it's interesting.
Yeah, this is fascinating, and I'm really glad you brought up this element of all of this because people need to start with the right legal structure, the right entity, which really sets the tone for how you're going to interact with regulators.
Right.
Exactly.
Which we don't.
Right, exactly.
You keep them off your property.
You need to have the structure in place to say, oh, guess what?
We are not a commercial enterprise selling retail products to the retail public through a grocery store.
Exactly.
Right.
Exactly.
And there's so much power in that.
In fact, I think when you interviewed Mark Baker, I mean, that was the turning point for him.
They were all over that guy.
Yeah.
Just a hero in my book for the way he stood up.
But what really kind of ended it all is when they said, well, we're here to, you know, basically enforce your licenses and this.
And he said, well, I don't have one.
I didn't renew it.
I think was what happened there.
And then they're like, oh, oh, okay.
Well, I guess we have no power here.
So that's your kryptonite.
Yeah, yeah.
A lot of these regulators work by you volunteering slavery and Absolutely.
It's like, okay, you fill out this form.
They say you have to fill out this form.
Once you fill it out, you're admitting to being a criminal enterprise or something in their eyes, or you're admitting to being subject to their unconstitutional orders and demands, which is insane.
Right.
But as soon as you agree to it, then you're part of their system.
Don't agree to that That crazy stuff.
Why would you?
Well, the benefit is commerce.
So commerce is controlled by the public domain.
So if you want to sell your cheese in stores, then those stores are licensed.
And everybody has this kind of mafia control system that says, yeah, if you don't follow our rules, then we'll shut you down.
But at the same time, the trade-off is, oh, you know, I've got this broader exposure.
But Small farms need to say, hey, nowadays, you know, we started marketing somewhat, you know, and word of mouth.
Word of mouth is mostly the way that we've grown.
And so everybody who's part of our farm community is part of our association.
They sign our contracts.
They join.
They agree to our jurisdiction.
They agree to run by our jurisdiction.
And so any dispute that you have, it's already written in our documents about how that dispute is going to be resolved.
We have a tribunal.
All those kinds of things are very clearly set up.
And those are our God-given rights and our rights in the U.S. to put those kinds of organizations together.
And I even see on your website that you have a currency called Moola coin.
That's really funny.
Yes, we do.
I love that.
So tell us, I mean, because I'm all about decentralized money as well.
Tell us about MoolaCoin.
I've never heard of that.
Sounds fun.
So MoolaCoin is a currency that our cows can almost pronounce.
And they...
It was our concept.
Along the way, we were like, well, this dollar is ridiculous.
One day, gas can be $4 a gallon.
The next day, for farmers, the amount of stress that's put under us by changing the fuel prices or by changing the hay prices is just kind of insane.
So we said, well, there's got to be a standard for currency that would be great.
And I thought a while about Well, we should have a grass standard, you know, where a bale of hay is the standard of a dollar.
But then I came up with the idea of, well, maybe we should just sell a coin, and that coin is always worth a half gallon of single, we call it single moo milk.
Wow, wait, so this is a commodities-backed coin.
Exactly.
That's so cool.
I call it a sustenance.
Right.
Human sustenance.
Because our birthright is raw milk.
I mean, we're all born breastfeeding.
We're all raw milk drinkers.
So people can turn in the coins in exchange for the milk?
For anything that the farm produces now or will produce in the future.
That is so cool.
I love that idea because, see, people want to pre-purchase food.
This is the way to do it without losing money on the collapsing dollar.
Exactly.
Yeah, so you take your dollars, you convert them to mula coin, and then you know, 20 years from now, you can go to Helios Farms wherever, because we're building a big network of these farms.
That's the vision.
It's going to be in your neighborhood.
So if you have a Helios Farms, you can take your mula coin that you purchased 20 years ago and go and buy a half gallon of single moo milk.
It has the name of the cow that produced it on it.
So that's the way that we do it.
And it It's about creating connection to the food supply, connection to the animals that provide the food.
But it's a sustenance-based currency.
See, it's funny.
We think very much alike on this because I was talking to one of my friends who's a finance guy like a year ago saying, you know, we should have some kind of a farm coin, something that is backed by the future promise of food.
Yeah.
Wow.
It was a public interview.
But I couldn't, you know, I didn't, Know how to deliver that because of the changing prices of food because we're not a farm, right?
You're actually producing the milk where what we do at Health Ranger stores, we buy from farmers and those prices can vary a lot, right?
So we never could figure out how to stabilize it, but you can calculate how many gallons of milk this cow is going to produce for how many years, how many days, whatever.
It's more stable.
Well, and it's good for anything the farm produces now and in the future, and that can include classes.
We'll be doing leatherworking because I'm a butcher, so...
And we pay our interns in mula coin.
We do.
So you have then a half-gallon milk equivalency of everything else, in essence.
Yes.
So our whole price list is priced in mula coin.
Yeah.
And...
Then all we have to do is change the exchange rate.
When field prices change, then we have a formula that we follow and we say, yeah, we've got to raise the exchange rate on MoolaCoin.
If the dollar collapses, then the MoolaCoin price is going to go way up.
But once you own MoolaCoin, you always can buy off of our price list.
And the price list, you know, for a half a hog, I think it's 60 MoolaCoin now.
Um, and, uh, and so that's the way that we do it.
So we have our, our, every product that our community buys from the farm, they first have to buy mula coin.
And then they, and part of the benefit of doing that is that we're not using dollars inside of our private.
Oh, I love it.
That's, that's amazing.
Separated the private domain, uh, and the public domain.
And we, we, we, It's kind of like Jesus had the money changer outside the temple, pushed him outside.
Inside the temple, we're using our humanity-based, sustenance-based currency.
Man, I love it.
That is so innovative.
In fact, I want to ask you...
If you ever got to a point where you could produce something that was shelf-stable like whey protein, we would want to buy from you.
That would be super exciting.
Look, I have cans right here on the desk.
I've got organic powdered milk, actually.
Oh, wow.
Really?
That we get from a U.S. supplier and we do all the lab testing and everything.
And a lot of people, they want it in the storable format.
But we actually sell a lot of whey protein.
So if you ever produce that, let me know.
We'd be interested.
That'd be fun.
We'll experiment with it.
Yeah.
We have a large vision of what we're doing.
And I think it's part of being plugged into this idea that we need to create a separate economy in the U.S.
We need to create a new.
There's an economy that dominates everybody and enslaves people, and that's run by criminals.
I mean, these guys are felons, and these guys are, we all, you know, spend way too much time, in my mind, looking at these creeps that have taken over.
We should abandon the whole thing, build the parallel economy, and just push those guys out.
Well, if you had something like whey protein or even, let's say, freeze-dried cheese or whatever, we would pre-purchase like a year of Moolah coin.
We would pre-purchase a bunch of Mula coin, we would sit on the Mula coin, and that would benefit us knowing, okay, we know that these coins represent a certain volume of whey protein that we're going to be able to get for sure.
And versus throwing money into a bank, you don't know if the bank's going to go, it's going to collapse next week, or the FDIC says, or they're just printing money, and the money's losing value every single day.
It's 2% per month, right?
By my math, it's 2% per month, very nearly 2%, but it's going to get a lot worse.
Of course, the government says it's far less than that, but they lie.
But we would buy MoolaCoin and sit on it and then just trade it for product.
It makes sense to us, too.
I love that.
Well, it'll stabilize the fiat currency you have right now.
Absolutely.
Part of what you find when you get into this farming arena, so we've been at it for 10 years.
We came out of the technology world, went back into farming, and we came into it with these principles like, whoa, one of my children was literally killed by the pharmaceutical industry and lived 26 years in a broken body.
And so it's like we had nothing to lose at that point, but we had a lot of A lot of just, I think, divine information that came at us.
What happens is it's striking the amount of abundance.
I think you've talked about this just from your farm.
We have eggs right now, this time of year, everywhere.
If you have an Easter egg hunt on Helios Farms, it's a pretty boring thing because you're tripping over eggs.
And so it's like the abundance that you plug into is stunning.
And I think that that's what the mainstream doesn't want you to understand.
Oh, you're so right.
We don't need them.
The entire system.
We don't need them.
You're 100% right.
We have to build our parallel economy, which will become the dominant, abundant economy.
Because we can all experience health and wealth if we don't let them keep stealing everything from us.
Exactly.
Why even fight to be part of their game?
Right.
Let's just take the game God's game.
You know, the land of milk and honey was not pasteurized, right?
Right.
Let's just take our game and say, you're all falling apart over here and you're not making good decisions.
We're not going to follow you.
You don't know what you're doing.
What you're doing appears to be evil.
Over here, we're going to follow you.
The good stuff.
God's design.
And we're going to bring in as many people as we can.
Well, think about the establishment system.
So the currency is a fraud.
The food is a fraud.
The food is a toxic fraud that is devoid of nutrients.
That's right.
The news system out there, conventional news, is a total fraud.
Nothing but lies and propaganda.
The government system is a complete nightmare mess of a bunch of power-hungry tyrants trying to lord over everybody else so they can get free stuff for themselves while enslaving the people.
Yes, it's time for a better system.
And I think what you're doing right now at your farm, Helios Farms, is pretty darn cool.
I love it.
Well, we can't wait to bring it in every way we can.
We are ready to bring it.
And we're teaching young people just what to do.
We can send them out on these farms.
It can be in a neighborhood near you, near wherever you are.
We've got good folks out there doing good things, and we need to teach them this because this is the model.
This really is the model from what we have surmised is not about just Not using glyphosate.
It's not about that anymore.
But I would add, too, that people who want to learn from you, they need to understand that they're going to have to work, right?
Yes.
Absolutely.
I know how hard you work, because I know how hard I work just managing a small fraction of what you manage.
Right.
But this is not a lazy sit in your basement, I'm going to collect crypto mining, whatever.
No, this is hands-on.
You're going to deal with stuff.
Right.
And then the young people love it.
They need to be challenged.
They love it.
And one of the things about building a new economy is that you have to build new jobs.
Right.
Because these jobs, like if you shut the pharmaceutical industry down, where are all those people who were, you know, zombified and brainwashed into becoming, you know, pharmaceutical technicians, where are they going to work?
You know?
And so...
In creating a new economy, you have to create new, meaningful jobs.
And it is what one of the things that we focus on is this is community.
There's a thousand people that get food from our farm.
There's a core group of people that are serving that thousand people.
And we're drawing out of those people new interns and new young people.
People that want to get up at 4.30 in the morning, milk cows, put the, you know, Our processing involves pouring it through a filter into a jar, putting the name of the cow on the label.
You know, we use these old milkers that allow us to separate each cow's milk.
And then within two or three days, that nice milk is on people's tables and they're drinking it.
That's, you know, that's counter to what happened in the dairy industry over the last century.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
You know, it's funny how every industry became centralized and then as it did so, it became toxic.
Absolutely.
What can go right with centralization?
Right.
No, we need decentralization.
We need more people to learn these skills.
We need more people to apply them locally all over the country.
And this is how we're going to actually sustain ourselves as a civilization.
You know, think about the oblivious zombie masses the day the grocery stores aren't open because the banks have shuttered because the currency collapsed.
And they're like, what am I going to eat?
Guess what?
You're going to eat each other.
It probably is what's going to happen.
And maybe you should have thought ahead.
Your plan helps people avoid the collapse.
Well, right.
And what you're doing is so important because you recognize and have recognized for a long time that people are going to wake up at some point and they're not going to be ready.
So you've been working since I don't know when I started listening to you in probably 2010 and Saying, okay, folks, this is going to happen.
Here's how to prepare.
And so I don't know how many people have gotten on that page and are preppers, preparers for that eventuality since then.
A lot.
A lot recently.
It's incredibly important what you're doing.
Yeah.
We also, we don't want to move forward in things.
This is about abundance.
This is about God's garden.
This is about working in community together in positive ways, restoring Eden, really.
That's what we teach, you know, these young children.
We point to scripture.
You know, when God in Genesis created man, he'd already created cattle.
So there was cow poo all over the place, scooped up a handful of dirt, Breathe the breath of life into it, and that's who we are, and that's what the most advanced science says.
Our bodies are a symbiosis of microbes, and if we can make that balance, the Garden of Eden balance that it was designed to be, we're long-living, super-healthy people.
Well, I'm right there with you, and we completely agree, but I would describe it as we don't need to live under a model of scarcity when the abundance is all around us.
I mean, sunlight, free, right?
Rainfall, free!
It falls out of the sky for free!
Photosynthesis, free!
Seeds, free!
Free, you know, the milk from the cow.
You don't have to pay the cow a royalty.
You just have to give it a healthy life experience, right?
You have to feed it.
You have to nourish it.
But with all the things that nature gives us for free, how could anybody on this planet be living in poverty?
It's only because the governments and the central banks, they create all the poverty and all the suffering.
That's right.
And they're creating that whole fear paradigm of Along with that, it's like we are so, people are so conditioned to ask permission for things that they already can do and can reach out for and can learn.
But they're very conditioned.
Oh, we need our medical.
We need our schools.
No, we don't.
No, we don't.
Definitely don't need their schools.
More people who are homeschooling right now is just...
It's through the roof, and it's what needs to happen because you've got a lot of demonic stuff going up, and you cover it well.
Okay, do you have any cross-dressing cows?
We don't.
They're not confused about their gender either.
Drag queen cow hour?
Those girls, when they come into heat, they are very unladylike.
They go find that bull.
That's the way it works.
Okay, alright.
Good to know that there still is male-female reproduction happening somewhere in this country.
Very much so.
Alright, in terms of just, I mean, this is a great introduction.
I definitely want to have you back.
I know you have a thousand tasks that you need to deal with probably today.
And I'm serious about, at some point, if you could find a way to have a product that we can offer to the public through our store, Branded, Helios Farms brand.
Man, we would love to work with you and have you back on and talk about it, just to kind of introduce people to this concept.
But even without that, we want to have you back on and talk about food decentralization.
But any final thoughts?
Theo, you want to wrap it up for us?
Well, I think in wrapping it up, I think that we have a big job ahead of us.
I think there's the solutions, as the founder of the permaculture movement said, the solutions are embarrassingly simple.
And we just need to take charge.
We need to stop asking permission.
And we need to stop, you know, sticking needles in newborn anything.
Yeah.
And reject food that is...
Compromise.
Reject it.
Well, it's becoming a life and death issue now.
It absolutely is.
The way they're modifying the food supply.
I'm at the point where if they start injecting cows with mRNA, I'm putting out a nationwide alert, don't eat any store-bought beef, period, which probably is already a good idea right now.
But even more emphasis at that time, forget it.
You don't know what's in there.
Yeah.
So you can go to our website, heliosfarms.com, for more information and get in touch with us.
And, you know, let's just talk about how we can spread this network out there so that everyone can have access to this.
We can build this right now.
My daughter, Sonia, has a website.
It's called Oregon Liberty Network.
And she's going to make that a resource page where people can just land there and find out who's doing farms, who's taking mula coin, you know, who's doing local training.
There's a lot of gun safety training, things like that.
And she's really hooked into that through the Oregon Liberty Network dot.
Anyway, that's a good resource.
And more people to do that in every state, too.
Absolutely.
I love what you're doing.
I think it's a great model for people all over the country.
And I know that a lot of people are going to be inspired by this video.
What's the best way they can reach you, Theo?
I mean, I don't want to overload you, but if people want to come learn with you, how do they find you?
Yeah, so...
On our website, we have an internship section that you can look at, but people can just email me at Theo at HeliosFarms.com.
Or just through the website.
Okay, and what about your Moolah coin?
How do people actually buy that using fiat?
You just go to HeliosFarms.com and you can put an order in.
Oh, I see.
Buy Moolah coin.
Right now, we're not great web developers.
We're better farmers.
So the only option there is PayPal, which is people object to.
But if they order it, select offline payment.
We just send an invoice.
And then they have a lot of options or they can send a check or they can give us gold or whatever it is.
That's a good idea.
You know, so people who want to support, MoolaCoin right now is supporting what we do.
We take those dollars and we turn them into cows.
You know, I've been telling people, you know, I don't invest in stock, but I invest in livestock.
I've been investing in cows for the last...
I've grown 50, you know, pharmaceutical-free, microbiome-pure cows, and that takes time.
The doubling rate on cows is every two years, so it's a great investment, and so...
Yeah, so people can just buy MulaCoin, we'll invoice them, and then they can shop.
They have to join our private membership association.
But it's free.
We're shipping foods now, but we're doing it on a pretty small scale.
So we want to grow that opportunity to our association members.
Okay.
Well, you know, brace yourself.
We reach a very large audience, and the number one piece of feedback we get from people is, oh, we weren't prepared for that level of response.
We're overloaded.
So just folks, have patience.
If you contact Helios Farms here, just have patience.
They might be overloaded.
And those of you in Oregon, get down there and learn this stuff.
Get in there.
Get hands-on, and then you can set up your own farm, and you can teach others.
I mean, we've got to teach each other how to do this.
That's how we make it.
That's it.
Escape from Portland.
Yeah.
Escape from that paradigm.
Yeah, exactly.
Come to a farm-free farm and learn this because we've got, in my opinion, it's just there's no time to waste.
We've got to roll this model out so everybody can benefit from it as soon as we can.
And we're just, we're never going to give up.
We're going to continue working in this way.
There isn't anything more rewarding.
And to see people heal and then turn around and share this information and that healing and God's Word.
Yep, yep, exactly.
You really bring the whole solution here.
And God bless you both.
I want to thank you for what you do and taking the time to share this with our audience.
And just thank you so much.
So it's just a pleasure to speak with you today.
Thank you so much.
It's very much an honor to speak with you, Mike.
God bless you, Mike.
God bless you.
I really enjoyed this.
The website, folks, is heliosfarms.com and we'll invite Theo and Kira back here because what a fascinating couple with the work they do.
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