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April 18, 2023 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams

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Brian Berletic from New Atlas talks Russia, Ukraine, China and Taiwan with Mike Adams

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	Alright, welcome to today's interview on Brighteon.com.
	I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon, and we are joined by a very special guest, a first-time guest, but I'm a long-time fan of this individual and his, I think, really excellent analysis of world events.
	His name is Brian Berletic, and his channel on YouTube is called The New Atlas.
	And we're going to see if we can get a channel going on bright in the meantime.
	But, Brian, it's an honor to have you on.
	I really love your work.
	I love the meticulous nature of your research and your presentation.
	Welcome to the show.
	Thank you so much for having me.
	It's an honor to be here.
	Well, it's an honor to have you on, and I understand.
	You're halfway around the world, and you're in the early hours of the morning.
	So if you need to grab a coffee or hit yourself a couple times, it's all good.
	We understand.
	The world is crazy, and the craziness never sleeps.
	So what's your take on sort of where...
	Where we are right now, you focus a lot on Ukraine and Russia, but also about China, but kind of big picture.
	How would you like to get into this?
	Well, I think it's kind of important to see this through the eyes of the current U.S. government and their ambitions all around the globe.
	So we see this conflict taking place in Ukraine.
	It is essentially a U.S. proxy war with Russia.
	We see other conflicts along Russia's periphery, and these are all, again, the U.S. engineering these to overextend Russia, to distract Russia.
	The U.S. is also committed to an encirclement and containment policy against China, and they do the exact same thing.
	They target China directly, and then they target nations all along China's periphery.
	I'm based here in Bangkok, Thailand.
	Thailand is a nation that is being interfered by the U.S. government through organizations like the National Endowment for Democracy.
	It's a lot to keep track of, but luckily for us, it's one single playbook that they're using.
	If you can figure it out in one place, then you can find the people and follow the money elsewhere.
	It becomes easier and easier to figure out.
	Well, I'm glad you pointed that out.
	It's the same playbook over and over again.
	The problem for the empire, though, is that that playbook is beginning to really fail.
	I'm sure you would agree with that, but following World War II, U.S. dominance at the time, the U.S. was the industrial might of the world, could manufacture the most of almost everything, including munitions and steel and tanks, and, of course, monopolistic control over the money supply.
	But now, after generations of wielding that control as a weapon against other countries, it seems like that's all falling apart.
	Would you agree with that assessment?
	Absolutely.
	And it was a huge missed opportunity for the United States.
	They had a window of opportunity where they could have demonstrated real and responsible leadership, and instead they abused it.
	A lot of the people running the United States right now, these are people who came into power, they did not earn it, and they're not qualified to be in the positions that they're in.
	That's for sure.
	They have no grasp on reality, and they're beginning at a starting point that is irrational.
	So everything that they try to build on top of that is likewise irrational.
	It diverges further and further from reality, and now it's starting to...
	It's starting to come back, and it's kind of exploding in their face right now.
	You make a really good point, and this divergence from reality can become extremely dangerous when they're playing with nuclear weapons, because what I've noticed too, and I've watched your channel quite a lot, and many other channels as well, a lot of analysis.
	I've interviewed people like Scott Ritter as well.
	But what I'm noticing is that the irrational response to the reality of what's happening on the ground, let's say in Ukraine, or what's happening geopolitically, or what's happening financially with de-dollarization, this irrationality is leading an entire nation, the United States of America, this irrationality is leading an entire nation, the United States of America, into almost like suicidal pathways that can only end badly, not just for the U.S., but even for all of Western Europe, like we saw with the destruction of the Nord
	I mean, this is a suicide mission, it seems.
	It's interesting that you bring up Nord Stream.
	It demonstrates that the U.S. isn't just waging essentially proxy wars against Russia and China, but it also...
	uses its own supposed allies.
	Before they blew up the Nord Stream pipelines, they were putting sanctions on Germany for building the Nord Stream 2 pipeline with Russia.
	That was a project that wasn't only going to benefit Russia, it was also going to benefit Germany, other companies from Europe involved in the project, and also the rest of Europe that would have benefited from cheap energy in And now that's all gone.
	And it was a bid by the US to prevent Europe from sliding out from under that shadow of hegemony.
	The US has cast over Europe since the end of World War II. And now it's basically a hostage situation.
	And we can see the leadership in Europe going along with it because the European Union, the respective governments in each European country, the They're not making decisions that represent the best interests of the European people.
	They're making decisions that represent Washington's best interests.
	Yeah, you know, a clear, direct connection of that.
	I'm glad you offered that description.
	But when the U.S. destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines, which, I mean, I don't even think there's a debate among informed people about the fact that the U.S. did that.
	They took away the affordable energy supply that's necessary for countries like Germany to manufacture munitions in order to potentially defend itself against, let's say, a war with Russia.
	And so here's America taking away Europe's self-defense capabilities while also provoking the Russians into probably launching more missiles, maybe even nuclear missiles or nuclear artillery, if they can provoke that.
	It's almost like a plan to destroy Western Europe.
	I'm not saying for sure that it is, but it sure looks like one.
	It could be.
	It could also just be the folly of empire, which we've seen repeat itself over and over again all throughout history.
	You're absolutely right.
	They made this move to deny cheap energy to Europe, and then they also need Europe to produce more munitions to fuel their proxy war with Russia and Ukraine.
	So these decisions are self-defeating that they're making, and I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that they're out of time.
	They're out of time.
	They did not get things done that they wanted to get done, and now they're rushing.
	And we all know that when we try to rush things, we make a lot of mistakes, and that's What we're seeing, but on a geopolitical scale.
	I think the US, since the fall of the Soviet Union, they had this idea of asserting themselves over the entire planet.
	They had a time window.
	I think some people might remember General Wesley Clark talking about seven nations in seven years, but it didn't even come close to fulfilling that timeline.
	They're way behind, and other nations are now catching up.
	But even this whole idea...
	But the philosophy of the U.S. Empire, resorting to coercion, violence, the bombing of civilian targets, as we saw in Iraq and Syria, and threatening, assassinating leaders, all of this.
	The fact that this is what the U.S. Empire resorts to now, to exert global control, Frankly, it is incompatible with a peaceful world of nation-states that have the right to exist.
	I mean, this whole premise of how the U.S. chooses to interact with its neighbors is unsustainable, and frankly, it is evil.
	It is immoral.
	Your take?
	Absolutely.
	Empire always has been, and this is the cycle that empire goes through.
	It rises.
	It overextends itself.
	It becomes abusive and increasingly desperate to maintain its grip on its holdings.
	And then everything starts to unravel.
	And as it's unraveling, their adversaries are growing in strength and taking advantage of that weakness and that retreat.
	And then the empire collapses.
	So we're watching this on a very accelerated timeline because of technology.
	2,000 years ago, information traveled at the speed of a horse.
	Now it travels at the speed of light.
	So everything is going to unravel much quicker now.
	Now, anybody who offers an analysis like yours or Scott Ritter's or Gonzalo Lira or anyone in that space is, of course, routinely accused of working for the Russians.
	I mean, it's just a flippant accusation.
	Oh, if you don't go along with the regime in America, then you must be working for this regime in Russia.
	And since you're here, I'd like to ask you, can you share with us just a little bit of your background?
	Because I've never heard you talk about that.
	Where did you grow up?
	And how did you end up in Thailand, by the way?
	I mean, as much as you care to share, it's up to you.
	Sure.
	I was born in New York.
	I spent part of my childhood in Pennsylvania, very close by.
	And I joined the U.S. Marine Corps at a high school at the age of 17.
	I elected to go overseas.
	You can ask where to be sent, and since nobody wants to go overseas and I wanted to go, so they sent me to Japan, and I spent most of my time in Japan.
	I was a 2171, which is electro-optical ordinance repair, and I worked on, well, I was trained to work on things like the Javelin missile system, the tow missile, fire control on the LAV-25 and the M1 Abrams.
	Things like that.
	I worked in the armory on Okinawa, Japan.
	And I was a very patriotic person.
	I believed in America as a force of good around the world.
	But almost the moment I joined the military and I saw what was going on, it didn't add up.
	And I had to make a decision.
	Do I pretend that I'm not seeing this and go along with it?
	Or do I... Or do I stop what I'm doing and get out?
	So I decided to do that.
	I was still very gung ho on 9-11.
	I was ready to do anything that they told me.
	Luckily my unit was never sent anywhere.
	By the time the U.S. was getting ready to invade Iraq, I was totally disillusioned.
	And even other Marines around me, we all knew that there weren't going to be WMDs in Iraq.
	We knew it was a lie.
	And as I was getting out, I had a lot of even officers say to me, you know, I couldn't do what you're doing.
	You're young.
	You can start over.
	I understand why you're doing it, though, why you want to get out.
	And if they could, they would, but they're too old to start over.
	So anyway, I got out of the Marine Corps and I wanted to be out of the U.S. I mean, I was so repulsed by the lead up to the war with Iraq and then watching it unfold.
	I was so repulsed.
	I just wanted to wash my hands of everything.
	I went to Thailand because that's one of the places I went while a U.S. Marine on deployment.
	I've been there ever since.
	Basically, my whole adult life I've been living in Asia.
	I started getting into geopolitics simply because I was tired of watching the news and listening to them lie.
	You feel like you just want to shout at the TV, but then eventually you realize there's things like blogs and different platforms you can use.
	You can get your message out and have your say.
	I've just been doing that ever since, really.
	What I really appreciate about your presentation is that, number one, you do a lot of research and you portray the information in a calm, meticulous, thoughtful manner.
	And if there's something that is clearly just straight-up opinion, you'll often offer that description.
	Like, this is my opinion.
	You may disagree, but here's my analysis.
	And then over here, these are the facts of the situation.
	And more often than not, People can't argue with you on the facts, so they just try to change the subject or character assassination or make up something or whatever.
	I mean, we all experience that.
	But your style is actually very compelling.
	One of the things that I make sure I do is I cite only the Western media.
	I don't cite Russian or Chinese or Thai media when I'm trying to make a point.
	I always cite the Western media because always buried deep in their articles, they will bring something up that is popular.
	More aligned with the truth.
	And it'll even contradict the premise of the entire article that they're writing or previous articles that they've written.
	So I make a point to do that.
	And I list all of my sources in the video description of every single video so people can see it for themselves.
	And I often show it on the screen as I'm doing it.
	It is a lot of extra work, but I think it's worthwhile.
	I know a lot of people out there...
	Think the way we think.
	I'm not really trying to convince them.
	I'm trying to convince people that still don't get it, and especially people that still tune into the Western media.
	When they can see the BBC saying the things that I'm trying to wake them up to, it becomes very hard.
	Just like you say, it's very hard for them to argue, and usually their reaction is very irrational.
	But also sometimes people respond to it and do wake up, and that's why I do it.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	There are those people right on the in-betweens or the margins that are ready to wake up.
	And like they've known it, as they say in the matrix, a splinter in your mind.
	They've had this splinter in their mind the whole time.
	They know something's wrong with the world around them.
	They just don't know what it is.
	And then sometimes you might say something or...
	I might say something.
	Or people in alt media can bring something up.
	In fact, let me bring this point up here.
	Here's an article from the conservative treehouse.com.
	And this is regarding that recent so-called leak from the Pentagon.
	Here it is.
	The leak was the op.
	White House and Congress demand new powers, think Restrict Act, in aftermath of classified intel leaks.
	So I'd like to ask you, Brian, and it's been, you know, a while, a week or so, maybe, since that leak came out.
	I'd like to ask your analysis of, first, the material that was contained within the leak, because there's some pretty shocking things there.
	But then secondly, from a meta level, Do you think that this leak was an operation?
	Because a lot of questions have been raised about how this low-level guy could have access to this high-level CIA document.
	What's your take on this?
	Well, it's very hard to tell at this point because, again, the way America's leadership is acting right now is extremely irrational.
	The way they are organizing things are equally irrational.
	So I would say almost anything is possible at this point.
	But when you actually look at the contents, at least the contents of material that I saw presented by the Western media, I wasn't really shocked by any of the revelations because these are things that have been apparent and also mentioned obliquely or dishonestly, but mentioned nonetheless, even in the Western media.
	So I honestly, I don't know what What the story is behind this.
	And it could very well be an op.
	And of course, they're going to use it, whether it was or it wasn't, to grab more powers because that's something that they constantly try to do anyway.
	And if there's some sort of perceivable justification, then they'll definitely take it.
	Yeah, okay, good point.
	It's almost as if they're screaming, well, our security is so bad that we need more power to have more bad security.
	Because, I mean, if a low-level guy like that, relatively low-level, can get his hands on such an extremely, seemingly an extremely important document, then what does that say about the leakiness of if, like, a Chinese agent...
	Or a Russian agent is trying to get their hands on something.
	How easy would that be if just some gamer boy is able to get his hands on this stuff, right?
	It's crazy.
	Yeah, it is.
	The whole story is very odd.
	The motivations of this...
	Service member who got them.
	He was basically trying to show off in front of his friends, allegedly, in the speed by which he was found.
	And the way it wasn't even the FBI who found him, it was the so-called open source intelligence networks online, Bellingcat, which is actually funded by the U.S. government and the British government.
	So they actually are serving as a function of their intelligence apparatus.
	The whole thing is odd.
	Bellingcat itself is solely for spreading disinformation.
	So the fact that they were involved, because they don't do real intelligence, they just do disinformation, the fact that they were involved, it's all extremely suspicious.
	I've heard other people speculate that it could be them making this overly elaborate off-ramp from Ukraine, kind of easing the public into the reality that things are not going as well as they have been saying in Ukraine and giving them the ability to kind of work their way out of this proxy kind of easing the public into the reality that things are So I'm going to keep my mind open to all possibilities, because at this point, I think anything is possible.
	Okay, yeah, fair enough.
	And I do want to ask you about the Ukraine off-ramp question here in a minute.
	But first, I just want to direct people, if they want to follow you, your channel on YouTube is, is it New Atlas or The New Atlas?
	I think The New Atlas.
	And I think if you type either one in the search bar in YouTube, it should be one of the first ones that pop up.
	Okay, okay.
	All right, great.
	And then how many videos do you normally put out?
	I mean, it seems like it's daily or most days.
	Is that right?
	I try to put out at least three a week, and then sometimes more if there's a lot going on, but usually three per week.
	Okay, great.
	And how has the response been on YouTube?
	Because YouTube isn't necessarily an alt video site.
	It's more of a mainstream type of platform.
	Well, you can never tell because the algorithm is manipulated for all kinds of different reasons.
	Being deplatformed off of YouTube is a concern that I have.
	Obviously, I've diversified.
	Everything is automatically backed up onto Odyssey and Rumble.
	I also am on Telegram.
	I had been deleted off of Facebook and Twitter several years ago as part of, I guess, an alternative media sweep, and they were deleting a whole bunch of people.
	They actually investigated me and deleted me for some fabricated reason.
	Of course, yeah.
	So only very recently have I gotten back on Twitter, and that was after Elon Musk bought it and now That seems to be getting better, so I don't know, but I try to diversify as much as possible, because you're right, especially YouTube and other mainstream social media platforms based in the U.S. I mean, it is rigged, and we know it's rigged.
	After Elon Musk took over Twitter and he was exposing some of the business going on behind the scenes, these were all things that we all knew anyway, but it was just confirming it.
	Yeah, another good point there.
	And by the way, Elon Musk hasn't turned my account back on yet.
	And Brighttown links are banned on Twitter at the moment.
	So, by the way, you're welcome to come to brighttown.com and have your content there.
	We are going to roll out a tipping system, a monetization system, that will apply even to videos you've previously uploaded.
	So all your assets that end up on Brighteon can receive some tips that you can translate into fiat currency.
	That's coming soon, so we're really working to try to monetize it for content creators, but it'll never be the ad revenue that YouTube generates because of the reach of Google.
	Nevertheless, I think you're wise to be on as many platforms as possible.
	Can I shift gears and ask you a little bit about China and Taiwan with a little bit of prelude here?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	I want your take on this, but I need to set this up so that you and the audience understand.
	My wife is from Taiwan.
	Her family fled the Communists in China with Chiang Kai-shek.
	And I've lived in Taiwan for a couple of years.
	I speak a fair amount of Mandarin Chinese.
	And I'm very, very favorable to...
	Taiwan, because I live there.
	I know the people there.
	I know this nation.
	Which is why I am so concerned that the United States is going to exploit the people of Taiwan in the same way they've exploited the people of Ukraine.
	I feel like Taiwan is next to be used as a proxy nation to provoke China into a war in exactly the same pattern that we're seeing in Ukraine.
	So that's my background.
	Just so you know, I feel very friendly about Taiwan.
	But my God, I don't want those people to suffer.
	What's your analysis of how the U.S. might be exploiting that situation to try to punish China?
	Well, you're 100 percent right.
	That's exactly what they're doing.
	They're doing it openly.
	They write entire articles in the media about how Taiwan is the next Ukraine, essentially.
	And Taiwan has been a proxy of U.S. power in the region since the end of the Chinese Civil War.
	The U.S. military was actually stationed there until they adopted their One China policy.
	But after adopting the One China policy, they still played this double game where they recognized Taiwan as part of China.
	They recognized the People's Republic of China and Beijing as the sole legitimate government, but they have been promoting essentially separatism in Taiwan ever since.
	And they're not doing it out of any sort of interest for the people living there.
	They're doing it solely for this desire to encircle and contain all of China and actually all of Asia.
	They don't want a prosperous Asia to collectively surpass the U.S. any more than they want China individually to surpass the U.S., This is what they have been working on for decades.
	And what they have been talking about more recently as the disparity between the Chinese military and the US military, as that diminishes, they're realizing that if they do provoke some sort of war with China, There will be total devastation and the US military most likely won't be able to defend Taiwan, but that's not even their interest.
	And they admit in their policy papers that the goal is to simply humiliate China at Taiwan's cost.
	And they admit infrastructure and industry will be destroyed.
	And they even admit that if China doesn't destroy the infrastructure and industry, the US will step in and do it, deny it.
	To the rest of China.
	So this is what they're openly planning to do.
	Are you talking about Taiwan's infrastructure?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yes.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, especially Taiwan's infrastructure and industry.
	They've war games, blowing up the semiconductor facilities, airports and ports.
	So where does that leave the people living on Taiwan if they have no infrastructure?
	Obviously, just absolute devastation.
	So we're watching it unfold in Ukraine.
	And that is exactly what they have planned for Taiwan.
	And I think it really only has been because China is patient and they understand that time is working in their favor.
	They understand that reacting to the United States plays into Washington's hands.
	And so this is why they're very hesitant to do that.
	And I don't think that they want to do it.
	As a matter of fact, I mean, Taiwan and the mainland have a lot of trade going on, essential trade for everyone on both sides of the strait.
	There's a huge number of people from Taiwan living and working on the mainland.
	So this is not something that anyone on either side of the strait wants, except for a small political elite in Taipei who is working with the United States, just like the regime in Kiev is working with Washington.
	But it seems like a lot of the leadership in Taiwan is lashing its fate to the shipwreck of the U.S. empire, in a sense, to the U.S. currency and to U.S. policies, especially Of course, the U.S. has bases in Japan and a lot in South Korea and many other places there.
	And actual U.S. troops training in Taiwan, by the way, that's been reported in the mainstream media.
	I think you've probably covered that.
	But is this really wise for a nation like Taiwan to put all its eggs in the U.S. basket when...
	Global de-dollarization could lead to something like, I mean, this is just my analysis, but something like a 1991 Soviet Union breakup event where the U.S. just, in one day, ceases to have control over its empire.
	Like, that's kind of what happened in Russia.
	Maybe it wasn't one day, but it was a compressed timeline.
	Is there a risk of that happening to countries like Taiwan?
	Well, I think that is a risk.
	And I think Taiwan, the current governments in Taipei, they have irrationally tried to create distance between themselves and the rest of China that has hurt the economy there.
	And I think that if they continue doing that, that will cause damage.
	But still, my greatest fear is an actual conflict.
	And I think if both sides of the strait can prevent that from happening, and as the US fades from the region, and I would say, real legitimate sovereignty restored to Asia, I think they'll eventually be able to work out their differences in a mutually beneficial way.
	I know there's a lot of skepticism, but I have been to China and I live in a region where China has a lot of influence.
	I can easily compare and contrast their approach to doing business in the region to the United States's approach to doing business in the region.
	And I think the U.S. right now is Taiwan's biggest threat.
	Wow, wow, that's a major statement right there.
	The U.S. needs Taiwan's semiconductors, but also the U.S. needs access to Taiwan's Chiang Kai-shek Airport, the military runways that are present there, and also the ability to recruit the Taiwanese people.
	To wage a war with China, which is what the US is really good at doing, is getting other people's young men to die.
	I mean, they're doing that in spades in Ukraine right now.
	And I don't know, Brian, it's very disturbing to me that it seems like the US has become an incredible tyrant on the world stage.
	But, you know, the CCP is also another form of tyranny, right?
	So there's no good guys in this conflict, it seems.
	I don't know.
	You have to kind of think about your understanding of China and where it's coming from.
	Like I say, I have been to China and I live in this region and I see it quite different.
	I can understand why people might see it differently.
	We have to ask ourselves, where is this information coming from?
	And are these things that we're saying or thinking about China Coincidentally, the same things the U.S. State Department is saying about China.
	We have to ask ourselves, why is that?
	We have to really interrogate that line of thinking.
	And it's not to say that the government in Beijing is perfect or that China is perfect, but I would say, having been there and living in this region, I would say that the government more or less is looking out for the best interests of its own people.
	And I would say most countries around the world are doing that.
	It's the United States that is not only harming other nations, but they're doing it at the expense of their own people.
	And I don't think that we can compare what you see when you travel throughout China.
	You cannot compare that to what we see unfolding, and I would say unraveling, in the United States.
	It is so different.
	There's so much disparity between these two societies.
	I mean, of course, you have certain bad things that are shared, but You don't see the homelessness or the drug addiction or the violence across China that you see in the United States.
	And that is a problem that is getting worse and worse in the US. And it's something that when you travel through Asia, I mean, I have felt safe pretty much everywhere I've traveled through Asia, Japan, China, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore.
	And I don't understand why Yeah, I felt so much safer.
	I've traveled through Singapore and Malaysia and Hong Kong and, of course, Taiwan and parts of Japan and so on, but I never felt danger there like I would feel in East St.
	Louis.
	Or downtown Chicago, or Los Angeles, or frankly, Austin, Texas, which is not far from me.
	You go down to 6th Street on Austin, Texas, and it's total lawless chaos.
	But, you know, the hypocrisy that you pointed out, it is stunning.
	For example, a couple weeks ago, we saw U.S. members of Congress grilling the TikTok campaign.
	The TikTok CEO, who I believe is from Singapore, by the way, the TikTok CEO, grilling him and saying, well, you know, we can't go on TikTok and search for news about the Uyghur populations.
	As if the United States government didn't order big tech to censor me and you and all of us about everything from vaccines and Ukraine and the Federal Reserve and you name it.
	I mean, what is wrong with these American politicians?
	Do they have no clue that they represent the tyranny?
	Right here at home?
	I mean, geez.
	I mean, that's a really good point.
	And we watched the United States kill a million Iraqis right in front of the entire world.
	That's right.
	Deliberately lying.
	Now, it's interesting you bring up the situation with the Uyghurs.
	That is something that if you try to look into and find actual evidence for, none of it exists.
	And you will see all of the papers produced I think we're good to go.
	And so you're talking about a million Uyghurs locked up somewhere.
	You'd have no evidence of it.
	And you're talking about coerced labor, but you admit there's no evidence of it, that there's only the possibility of it.
	Of course, there's the possibility of mistreatment anywhere you go in the world.
	But if you can't find evidence of it, then it's probably not systemic.
	It most certainly isn't, and it's to China what WMDs were to Iraq.
	This is what the U.S. does to absolutely everyone.
	They do it to Russia, China, Iraq, yes.
	That is absolutely fascinating that you mention that, because even in my own memory of weapons of mass destruction and 9-11, you were talking about 9-11 earlier.
	When I saw 9-11 take place at that time, 2001, the narrative was controlled by the news media.
	I was outraged.
	Oh my gosh, America's under attack.
	Look at this.
	And now, here we are, years later looking back, and I know that was an op.
	That was allowed to happen.
	It was real.
	I'm not saying it was holograms.
	It did happen.
	People died, but it was allowed to happen.
	In order to have the reaction.
	And we know that about the U.S. We know that about the, what was it, the yellow cake, uranium, the weapons of mass destruction, WMDs.
	I've interviewed Scott Ritter who says they ordered him to go in and say he found something and he refused to do it.
	You're right, Brian.
	The U.S. State Department fabricates evidence to start wars that get millions of people killed potentially.
	And I believed some of that until I got informed.
	I think we've all been guilty of that.
	I mean, we're born and raised in the U.S. We're basting in it from cradle to grave.
	And I think it's remarkable that I somehow woke up.
	I mean, there were people out there planting the seeds of doubt, and eventually they grew, luckily.
	I'm very fortunate that that happened.
	But going back to China, the things being said about China, The people we know are verified liars and have lied about everything else.
	What are the chances that this is the first thing that they're telling the truth about?
	But beyond that, we can actually just look at the sources that they're citing and we can see that there's no evidence.
	We also have to understand that the imperative for them to lie about China, to vilify and dehumanize the Chinese people and the government, It's a top priority.
	No nation on earth threatens the U.S. empire more than both Russia and China.
	China has a population four times the size of the U.S., a larger industrial base.
	They graduate millions more engineers every single year than the U.S. does.
	They are going to surpass the United States.
	And when you really think about it, It's almost irrational to think that they shouldn't.
	Just more people have access to plenty of resources.
	Why wouldn't they be able to?
	I guess as an American having lived overseas for so long and seeing other nations, I mean, if America was always number one, all of these other nations have learned to live with being number two or three or four or wherever they are in the ranking,
	and their people are still able to Well, we have major problems even beyond that in the United States.
	We don't have a culture that's willing to work, for one thing, especially the younger generations I'm referring to, just apathy across the board.
	But back to your point about the Chinese people, I mean, obviously I'm married to an ethnic Chinese person who grew up in Taiwan.
	And the Chinese people as an ethnic group are incredibly impressive.
	In fact, I would say some of the smartest people that I've really ever met tend to be Chinese, Ukrainian, and Russian.
	I mean, Ukrainians and Russians are really, really bright people.
	They really are.
	And so are the Chinese.
	They're incredibly bright.
	And occasionally, you know, like an India person would come out on top.
	But there's a whole lot of people in India, even I think now more than China, who I've met a few of the cream of the crop there in the science realms and so on.
	But these people are bright.
	That's for sure.
	The question is, your channel name is The New Atlas.
	Can we ever get to a new geopolitical structure of the world where the tyrants stop murdering us?
	Well, I think we see that emerging, and we can see how desperately the incumbent world power is fighting against it.
	Something that China is doing and being here in Thailand, Thailand is a partner nation in this project, the Belt and Road Initiative.
	This is China investing in infrastructure all around the globe, and this is infrastructure that once it's built, I've traveled through it.
	And so when I traveled through it, it was before China built any highways or any railway, and you were going through windy mountain roads, extremely dangerous.
	It took over three days to go from Kuomintang, China, to Vianchang, the capital of Lao on the border with Thailand.
	They built the highway, cutting it down to 24 hours.
	Then they built the high-speed rail that cut it down to just a few hours.
	And the people in Lao now have access.
	Yes, they have access to China's entire economy and rail network.
	They also have access to Thailand and the rest of Southeast Asia.
	And that is the type of thing that China is doing.
	They're doing it.
	And, you know, my biggest fear is that, OK, China and Russia, they're building a multipolar world where there's a better balance of power around the globe.
	But my fear is that one of these nations might just replace the U.S. and what they're doing now, what the U.S. is doing now, just become the next U.S.
	That is the biggest fear of Biden.
	But the way they are setting this up, multipolarism and the Belt and Road Initiative, is that they're distributing this economic power by building this infrastructure globally.
	I don't remember the United States doing this.
	They may have done it initially right after World War II, but they soon stopped.
	I don't know anything.
	The U.S. doesn't even build rail and roads in their own country now.
	No, the U.S. goes in and bombs infrastructure and then creates indebtedness in the nation to have U.S. military contractors rebuild something that doesn't work.
	Like, that's the model.
	Exactly.
	That's what they did in Afghanistan.
	Trillions.
	And it was worse than when they arrived.
	That really is the model.
	And so when you see multipolarism and you see...
	How it is working and almost the exact opposite And you can see the results on the ground.
	I mean, I'm in Southeast Asia, and I'm benefiting from this development that's taking place.
	I'm also watching how the U.S. was manipulating the region, causing unrest.
	I think everyone's familiar with the concept of color revolutions and the National Endowment for Democracy.
	They are involved in virtually every country on Earth, and you could go to their website and see the programs they fund everywhere.
	Here in Bangkok in 2009 and 2010, It was so violent.
	They had around 300 militants out on the street with war weapons.
	They were burning the city down and killing people.
	That was backed by the U.S. They do this absolutely everywhere.
	Well, they've done it in the U.S. They did it in the U.S. against Trump and in the 2020 election.
	We are the victims of a CIA color revolution.
	Absolutely.
	And in the U.S. there's the added component of a very deliberate and thorough...
	of the country.
	They tried to divide Americans, not just left and right, but along as many fault lines as possible.
	And if it's not enough fault lines, they'll just start creating new ones, because that's how a small handful of people can control a much larger group of peoples, by dividing them all against each other.
	It's, It's imperialism 101.
	You're exactly right.
	They tried to turn blacks against whites and vice versa during the Obama years.
	They couldn't really foment a national color war.
	So now they're trying to push it on trans versus non-trans.
	They're trying to get non-trans people to provoke violence against trans people, while some trans people are becoming militants and shooting up Christian schools.
	It's like, okay, this is obviously another blueprint, just another chasm that they're trying to push out there, and who knows what's next, but they'll find another way to divide people, for sure.
	Absolutely.
	It's easy to tell people you should try to resist as well.
	When you're living in the middle of it and you're a victim of it, it's very hard to ignore your emotions and try to appeal to your more rational nature.
	It's very sad, and what I worry about For the United States is that the U.S. is going to just have to have, I think, like a top-level collapse.
	And then hopefully, just like what the Soviet Union went through, hopefully there are circles of interests who have a more constructive vision for America's role around the world that can step in and revitalize the country.
	I mean, the most important resource is human resources, and America has plenty of that.
	Yeah, can you imagine, Brian, the universal abundance and wealth at every level, cultural wealth, spiritual wealth, and also financial wealth, material wealth, that could be experienced by all of us if it wasn't being constantly destroyed or confiscated by these rogue governments?
	I mean, we would all be doing well.
	Every family would be doing well if they even worked a little.
	I mean, it's incredible.
	Yes.
	Yes, and I think if we look at what the rest of the world is trying to do, we look at the Middle East, for example, as the U.S. is kind of being displaced out of the region, What do we see?
	We see Russia and China coming in and they're making peace between what we were told were implacable enemies that could never be at peace with one another, and we see that happening.
	Because in reality, the U.S. was doing to the Middle East what they're doing to their own people at home.
	They were creating these divisions and they were fueling them very deliberately.
	And then the...
	in the middle of these type of conflicts, you end up depending on the U.S. for defense, for weapons, for support of all kinds.
	And so as the U.S. is displaced in this role around the globe, I think you're going to see nations pursuing their own best interests and their own best interest is peace and stability internally and regionally.
	And then hopefully eventually America can benefit from that process as well.
	Well, and for those Americans watching this, let it be known that what Brian just described, this is going to translate into vastly more expensive goods because America has been ripping off the world by printing currency and trading it for goods.
	Basically printing debt and trading it for physical stuff.
	You're going to be paying ten times more for a lot of things, you know, a few years from now compared to what you are now.
	That's just my take on it, Brian.
	But in the few minutes we have left, I'd like to ask you about the off-ramp in Ukraine.
	You've studied this extensively.
	It's very clear that the U.S. can't even run the munitions necessary to engage Russia in a land war.
	I mean, and the UK doesn't have an army that could last more than a week.
	The Germans don't really have an army anymore.
	You know, on and on.
	How does this end, you think, with Ukraine?
	I think it's going to end in a very similar way to the way we see the US proxy war unwinding in Syria.
	The US tried to overthrow the government in Syria.
	Russia intervened.
	First, they stopped the terrorist proxies the US was using.
	They kind of boxed America into eastern Syria so they couldn't expand their grip over the country any further.
	And so they just ground down the U.S. proxies there.
	And they started eliminating all of the options the U.S. had.
	And all at the same time, they were avoiding direct escalation with the U.S.
	So I think a very similar process, but just on a much larger and sadly more destructive scale is going to unfold in Ukraine.
	It's going to have to be settled on the battlefield.
	Russia is going to have to create the conditions on the ground that eliminate all the options for the U.S. except negotiating an exit out of this this proxy war.
	Unfortunately for the U.S., they have no motivation, no incentive to stop fighting because they're not paying for it in their blood and treasure.
	They're paying for it in Ukrainian blood and American treasure, the American people's treasure.
	So it's going to be...
	Or I would add America's printed currency, which has confiscated treasure from other countries around the world that hold the reserve currency.
	So, in fact, America's not even paying with its blood nor with its treasure.
	It's fabricating fake money, fake fiat, and getting other countries' young men killed.
	I mean, there's literally no cost to the decision-makers in the State Department who are making these horrific, irrational, even genocidal decisions, in my opinion.
	That's my take on it.
	I think you're right.
	And actually, that could play a big role in ending the conflict.
	The fact that the world is awake and aware that the US dollar is a pyramid scheme.
	And actually, they've been working for years on ways of exiting out of it.
	Hedging it and creating alternative systems of all kinds.
	The US has kind of burned bridges and painted themselves into the corner with all of their sanctions, thinking they're going to isolate all of these countries and ending up only isolating themselves in Europe in the process.
	And so I think that's actually going to play a big role in it, too.
	The transition away from the U.S. dollar is going to drastically reduce Washington's options.
	And again, like I said, I just hope that a more constructive circle of interest can take over in the U.S. and get things back on track.
	It's a shame.
	There's so much potential being wasted.
	No, well, it's the woke curse.
	I mean, they're completely irrational.
	All they focus on is being woke and virtue signaling even at the geopolitical level.
	But one more question before we go, Brian.
	You live in Thailand, and this is a question about whether the central banks of the world can convince people to move into digital wallet systems.
	Now my understanding, I haven't been to Thailand, but my understanding is that it's a very cash-focused type of country.
	Do you think that the people of Thailand would go for some kind of a digital wallet mandate?
	No, I don't think.
	If it was a mandate, no.
	What I think is Thai people, and I think people in Asia, from my experience, are very practical people.
	They like to have a multitude of options, and they always like to try to find a middle path through everything.
	So they would never want all cash or all digital currency.
	They want to have a multitude of options.
	Another thing that is huge here in Thailand and always has been is gold.
	It's a very liquid gold market.
	They have shops literally everywhere, almost everywhere you can find an ATM. There's some gold shop nearby.
	You can buy and sell gold on the same day if you wanted to.
	And so Thai people are aware of the benefits of all of this, and I don't think they would give that up, not easily.
	Yeah, well, that's interesting to hear because, you know, there are many other cultures around the world.
	Like, take a look at Mexico.
	Is Mexico going to convince everybody to go to digital cash?
	Not on your life.
	Most of the Mexican economy is a cash, or, I mean, a lot of it is a cash economy.
	And I've lived in South America, too.
	Cash, cash, cash, man.
	It's not, you're not using credit cards or writing checks.
	It's cash in the Middle East, in many areas.
	It's a cash economy as well, so...
	Good luck with that digital Mark of the Beast system, Globalist.
	I don't think it's going to fly.
	But, Brian, it's been a pleasure.
	Thank you for taking the time with us today.
	I really enjoy speaking with you.
	Thank you so much for having me.
	I would be very happy to come back and talk again.
	Well, we'd love to have you back as things escalate, especially get your analysis on what's happening.
	There's going to be more news, obviously, on Ukraine and also with China and Taiwan.
	And I just want to say, I pray for all the people of all these countries.
	And if I could apologize on behalf of America, not that I'm An official or anything, but if I could, I would apologize to the people of Ukraine and apologize to the people of Taiwan for being exploited by our careless, reckless, unethical, immoral, lunatic leaders who weren't even elected, by the way.
	We didn't elect those people.
	It's not our fault.
	Absolutely.
	They stole power.
	Anyway, okay, the channel, folks, is New Atlas.
	Look for it on YouTube.
	And also, I believe, Brian, you said you're on Rumble and Odyssey.
	What about BitChute?
	Got to get on BitChute, get on Brighton, get everywhere you can, and people will find you everywhere.
	Thank you.
	Yes, thank you.
	Okay, excellent.
	All right.
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