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March 7, 2023 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Kristen Meghan and Tammy Clark join Mike Adams for interview on EPA deception in Ohio
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Welcome to the Health Ranger Report here on Brighteon.tv.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
And today we've got a very important conversation with two industrial hygienists.
We're going to be talking about the pollution in the toxic bomb fallout from East Palestine or whatever you want to call it.
We've got Tammy Clark, who's an industrial hygienist and also an expert in environmental health.
She's a safety professional.
She's the VP of Stand Up Michigan.
And also, Kristen Megan joins us.
She's on the advisory board to Stand Up Michigan, which you can find at StandUpMichigan.com.
And they both joined me today to talk about what's happening in Ohio and also the rest of America.
So welcome to the show, both Tammy and Kristen.
It's great to have you here.
Thank you.
Thanks for having us.
Absolutely.
Well, let's begin with this.
How about just a couple of quick introductions?
Our audience has, you know, I've interviewed Kristen before, but I haven't interviewed you before, Tammy.
So could you give us a quick background of Stand Up Michigan and what you're doing with that organization?
Okay, yeah.
So I got involved with Stand Up Michigan when they were looking for a vice president.
Stand Up Michigan was born out of a sense of righteous anger over the excessive quarantines and lockdowns.
Garrett Saldano started a Facebook group.
He's a chiropractor from Michigan who eventually ran for governor.
He just felt like I can't be the only one feeling like this is not right, this is excessive.
He was a business owner who stood up.
I was a business owner running a consulting firm and I started following this Facebook group and within just a very short time they realized that they needed to turn this Facebook group into an organization and so that's when I was hired.
As the vice president to help grow a very large organization quickly to be very influential at both the state and national levels.
So we've been very busy and very involved helping to solidify not only our counties, but our state and national freedoms for the state of Michigan.
My background is very similar to Kristen's as an industrial hygienist and environmental health and safety professional.
And that's when I stood up and blew the whistle on OSHA and the government for their revisionism, violating their own standards, regulations, and protocols for handling a pandemic, PPE control measures, and things like that.
So three years ago, I was just busy minding my own business, and here I am today.
Here you are.
That kind of describes a lot of America.
We were all just trying to mind our own business, raise kids, grow food, earn an income, and then wham.
Okay, Kristen, our audience may be more familiar with you because we've spoken before this way, but could you give us a quick introduction?
And you've had a major impact, Kristen, on this whole debate.
You've been vindicated again and again.
So give us your background, if you would, please.
Yeah, so I kind of was propelled into the health freedom movement.
I believe Natural News was the first site to cover my whistleblowing from the Air Force regarding geoengineering and weather modification.
And then I've been standing up Holding those that took an oath accountable from health freedom, our politicians, police accountability, just promoting peace.
But, you know, I've been doing so in a nonviolent manner, and I've been lending my expertise to many different court cases around the country where rights are being infringed.
That focuses on my profession.
And then, of course, we had, you know, the scandemic occur.
And then that's how I met Tammy.
She saw me doing an interview.
Found out we live 20 miles from each other, and we have been known as the dynamic duo, and we have traveled around the country in our own time for the past three years, shutting down mandates, thought we could get a break, and then the EPA decided to drop the ball in Ohio.
Indeed.
We'll talk about that in a second, but I want to give a shout-out to you, Kristen, because you're a veteran, and you have a podcast with We the Patriots, and isn't that called Vets and Visionaries?
Is that it?
Yes, it is.
Vets and Visionaries with me, Kristen Megan.
And my shows air 8 a.m.
Eastern every Monday.
Okay, that's awesome.
And that's with WeThePatriots.org?
Is that where people find that or where do people get there?
WeThePatriotsUSA.org.
I'm sorry, WeThePatriots, yeah.
But the podcast in video format premieres on the Rumble channel of WeThePatriotsUSA and then everywhere it's audio version where you find your favorite podcasts.
Okay, awesome.
We've got to simulcast your podcast over on Brighton Radio, too.
We should talk after the show.
Your voice is really critical for this debate, so let's see what we can do to help get you more distribution.
I think that'd be great.
Okay, now, getting to Ohio.
Yeah, I mean, the American people get it.
It's a massive cover-up.
The EPA is just as bad as the FDA and the CDC and the USDA and so on.
Starting with you, Tammy, what's your summary of what happened in East Palestine?
Didn't you just come back from there?
Yes, so Kristen and I were actually asked to speak at the national press conference that We the Patriots USA put on announcing the lawsuit against the EPA and Where we will both be expert witnesses.
So we went to Akron, Ohio at the federal courthouse to announce this lawsuit.
And from there, we knew we needed to go to East Palestine, which was only about 45 minutes from Akron, to see for ourselves really what was happening on the ground.
And it was a good thing we did because what we realized when we saw the lack of testing, improper sampling methods, improper sampling media being used, We realize that this is much worse than even we anticipated.
And Kristen can get into a little bit of that as well.
But basically, they're making things worse by doing improper remediation controls, not using the proper sampling media, and trying to remediate before we even know what it is we're dealing with yet.
Yeah, that definitely confirms what I'm getting from other experts as well.
I'm going to be interviewing also an EPA whistleblower that will join us about this at some point, I think, later this week.
But, Kristen, yeah, tell us what you saw, because you're trained to understand the flow of contaminants, especially airborne toxins, contaminants, workplace hazards, and so on.
So what did you observe that alarmed you?
Well, first I want to say I am an industrial hygienist, but I'm one of the few industrial hygienists that's also worked in sea burning events, chemical, biological, radiation, nuclear, and explosives.
So I worked in bio-environmental engineering in the Air Force.
So I trained and responded to railroad incidents of fuel spills, haz material spills.
So I have used some of the equipment that I noted was not being utilized.
So aside from symptoms that we felt, which was burning throats, coughs, our tongue tingling, going numb, My eyes kind of itchy burning is that I saw they were using SUMA samplers.
They were using real-time area multi-rays made by Honeywell, which are great for certain situations, but that's for establishing a cordon or an evacuation zone or hot zone.
That is not going to provide data because what happens is the equipment that they're using Let me just say that they are kind of pulling the hood over everyone's head here because they're making it look like they're doing things, but the things that they're doing aren't going to properly identify hazards and ignores cumulative dose and synergistic toxicity.
So, for example, they sit and they use PIDs, the photoionizing detectors, and it's not going to pick up It's not going to pick up the wide array of contaminants that we have here.
It's just looking at a group of chemicals rather than specific chemicals.
And again, a lot of these chemicals are more harmful when you combine them.
That's the cumulative dose.
But the main thing that Tammy was referring to is that they're doing, air quote, remediation efforts.
That are creating greater hazards.
So they're doing aeration of the water, and then what is happening?
Whenever you agitate or aerate water that has hydrocarbons, VOCs, or inorganic or organic compounds, these things can create gases and vapors that are then again introduced into the breathing zone.
So why are we doing these remediation efforts when people are right there?
There's no taping off of things, there's no cordons, there's absolutely, there's no, Mike, no one is saying don't go in the water.
That's incredible.
Go ahead.
Well, and yeah, you mentioned the bioaccumulation of these toxins.
Now, the EPA, of course, classifies dioxins, which I want to ask you both about dioxins.
Dioxins are known as persistent bioaccumulative toxins, or PBTs.
And persistent, just for our viewers, I know that you know this, but for our viewers, persistent means they stick around in the environment, in this case, for centuries.
Bioaccumulative means that they accumulate up the food chain.
So if you're consuming meat or dairy, eggs, anything like that, from these areas where those animals graze on contaminated grasses or grains, then you're getting a much higher concentration in your fat-soluble tissues.
And then the tea toxins, of course, these are toxic.
And dioxins are toxic at extremely low concentrations.
We're talking about either picograms or femtograms of exposure.
That's known to cause biological effects and hormone disruption in people.
So I want to ask you both, why do you both think that the EPA, I should say, neither the EPA nor the state of Ohio is testing for dioxins that we know of, that they're telling us?
We'll start with you, Tammy.
What's your take on that?
Well, that's a really good question, and that's what we've been asking ourselves and trying to connect all the dots with everything that we know from a bigger worldview perspective.
With things that we have seen that the World Economic Forum has put out and some of those types of conversations.
And then you also look at the fact that we know that the trains moving through are moving through every 10 minutes.
They're very, very long trains carrying a lot of cargo.
In my opinion, what I saw, I actually said to Kristen, this is like standing in a Chicago rail yard.
This is unbelievable, the amount of traffic on these train tracks.
The trains are too long.
They're too heavy loaded.
And I think there's a lot of financial incentive and push behind this, which, you know, part of that I understand, but you don't put human lives and the environment at risk because of money.
You just can't do that.
That's very unethical.
So there are a lot of different moving parts and pieces to this.
The government does not like to admit that they're wrong.
They do not want to step anything back, walk anything back, admit they were wrong.
Now there's liability issues and there's going to be big payouts and lawsuits.
And I think there's some of that going on.
And I think, you know, part of it, too, is They just want to sweep this under the rug.
They know that 99% of Americans cannot talk the talk that we are all talking right now.
The chemistry, the acronyms, the industrial hygiene language, most Americans have no idea.
So when they do sampling to obtain a number that they want to obtain, and if you do sampling improperly, or if you intentionally don't test for some things, you're not going to find those things.
I think that they're doing that on purpose because then they can just quickly move on, get the trains running again.
Nothing to see here, folks.
But there's a part of me, kind of in the back of my mind, there's a little bit of nagging, like there's something more nefarious going on here.
And I was talking with Daniel Horowitz about this today because he said, don't you kind of feel like this is COVID 2.0?
Like we're dealing with the COVID situation all over again, just with a different aspect of our lives, transportation and the environment.
And I said, I do.
I have that same nagging feeling that something is not right that I had in the beginning of COVID. Well, and so let me direct this then to Kristen, but let me add that the EPA, last week a spokesperson from the EPA said that the reason they cannot test, and I can't wait for you to tear this apart, Kristen, but the reason they cannot test is because they don't have a baseline of what the level of dioxins were before the accident.
So what would you say to that?
That's about as dumb as saying, I'm not going to check the status of your cancer because I wasn't your original doctor to know the size of your original tumor.
Just like you said, dioxins are very hazardous at low detection limits.
But their excuse for why they didn't want a sample was, we might have an issue with backyard grilling interfering with the actual quality of the test.
Any scientist that studies this knows you need a chlorine To create the dioxins.
So I'm sorry, just grilling your burgers isn't going to really contribute to dioxins.
People burning their trash can, but let's not insult the American people.
But to answer the question that you first asked Tammy, it's obvious.
I mean, I'm not trying to be a conspiracy theorist.
I'm a conspiracy realist.
It is very obvious that they are doing improper sampling, not conveying proper risk communication.
And like Tammy said, they throw these samples that are actually incorrect samples onto the EPA website.
And even, I think, a low-level IH technician starting out their career would have a hard time analyzing this.
They have CAS numbers instead of chemical names.
They're making it really hard for the average layperson to understand this.
And this is a key aspect of all of my training of emergency response, hazardous material response, and how you convey this technical information to non-technical personnel.
But I actually just spent, and this is why I'm tongue-tied.
Tammy just peer-reviewed my affidavit.
It's so long.
I really tore apart the EPA in exposing all of the wrong testing down to the detail.
I'll send you a copy for your reading if you want it, Mike.
Please do.
I'm embarrassed for them because, you know, I've been doing this for 20 years, and I know some of their employees have been doing it a lot longer.
And I'm so glad that you say there's a whistleblower because A lot of people, including people on the ground that we can't name, work in our profession that live there, have even noticed that they use the wrong sampling media.
This is egregious.
It's incredible, Kristen, what you're saying.
We need to collaborate, your group, with my lab, because our laboratory, we've already put out the purchase for a dioxin testing add-on, a GCP. To one of the triple quad mass spike instruments that we've had for many years.
We run glyphosate on that instrument.
But we're adding an atmospheric pressure gas chromatography interface, APGC. And we'll be able...
That instrument, by the way, you'll appreciate this.
It can detect two femtograms Of dioxin injected on the chromatography column.
So two femtograms found in a one microliter injection, which is pretty amazing.
That's the sensitivity of it.
We're going to be testing that here in a few months.
But we need someone like you who understands how to get samples correctly, chain of custody, proper sampling technique, documentation, GPS location, all of these things.
Is there some way that you could help advise or help us acquire some samples that we could test?
Yes, I actually have been working with somebody who I won't name at this time who's familiar with doing these type of legal improper chain of custody samples.
I've been advising them on the proper PPE to wear, and they're going there this week.
I am five hours away from the site, but I could go back.
My issue is I can no longer tolerate wearing respiratory protection due to medical issues, so a lot of my fieldwork I have to subcontract or refer out.
But I just want to point out In my affidavit, I also mentioned, the first thing they should have done is utilize a portable GCMS to identify targeted chemicals and then work their way out and gone, okay, we're going to sample for organic or inorganic.
We need different media.
Some things dissipate in air quickly.
Some things are in the sediment.
Some things float on the water.
It's like they didn't look at the hazard specific.
They just went, oh, this is a group of chemicals.
But they all can behave differently.
Yeah, they're trying not to find anything.
No, it's silly.
I mean, any of us who have any kind of scientific training, we look at the EPA, and it is embarrassing.
Tammy, do you think there's enough pressure being put on the EPA where they're going to be forced to do something?
Or would the state of Ohio maybe come around and start doing something here?
Well, I think some of that is going to depend on pressure from Congress.
And this is what I've been saying a lot.
I'm very disappointed in this new bill that just came out about, you know, focusing on rail safety.
Like, where's the, you know, concern about the EPA's mass criminal negligence in their handling of these situations?
I mean, who cares?
We have the Railroad Association.
We have the DOT and the Federal Railroad Administration.
And their job is to make sure they maintain the tracks, make sure things are safe.
They're just simply not doing their job.
We don't need new laws along those lines.
Now, I do think that it was really good that they did add that there is a requirement now with the new bill that had bipartisan support, so that's good, that they do have to now inform local fire departments and HAZMAT teams when they're bringing any sort of chemicals through town.
The Railroad Association through their lobbyists were able to get loopholes in that.
There is a DOT requirement.
A reporting requirement that, you know, when a train is bringing the hazardous materials through, they do need to report that.
But, of course, the railroads are the oldest and most powerful lobbyist organization in America.
They built America, so talk about power, right?
But they were able to close that loophole, so now the trains that are transporting hazardous materials, liquids, gases, whatever it might be, they do have to report To all the municipalities that they're moving those things through.
So they've closed that loophole.
That's good.
But I think the only way we're going to actually see any sort of change with the EPA, OSHA, the DOT, any of these regulatory agencies that have been weaponized against the American people and are now the biggest perpetrators of harm is through congressional oversight, through defunding them through the appropriations committees.
That's my big call to action.
And that's where I want to see pressure because these, you know, silly bills that Like I said today, I feel like it's like slapping lipstick on a pig.
That might make people feel a little better, but that is ultimately not going to change anything.
Okay, a quick reminder to those watching, the website is standupmichigan.com if you want to follow all of this.
And of course, Kristen is with We the Patriots with Brian Festa.
Is that dot org or dot com?
Yeah, WeThePatriotsUSA.org.
Oh, USA.org.
Okay, great.
Now, Kristen, let me ask your response to this.
The original responders to this disaster, they were reportedly told that they had to incinerate their own PPE, so the equipment that they wore in to respond.
That could not just be washed and ever used again.
It was too dangerous to ever touch human skin again.
What does that tell you about the nature of the chemicals that were released in this case?
Well, that's another issue, too, because it seems that, you know, I looked at a lot of drone footage and the day of the burn, you know, they should have been in full SCBA. And there are situations where certain PPE cannot be reused because it can really wear away at the masks and even corrode the tanks of oxygen.
Um, but that is something I I've been talking about in my, uh, kind of legal documentation is the people in the community looked at all of the contractors just days later after being in, you know, full PPE and all of a sudden all they have on is butyl gloves and a hard hat in like rain gear.
Wow.
I mean, how do you go from level A to just some butyl gloves and a raincoat?
You look like Paddington bear with a face shield.
I mean, it was ridiculous.
And this type of failure by these agencies, again, improper risk communication, you have people that are outside in their yard and are like, oh, these people cleaning it up that are at the source are fine.
But they're not fine.
I'm seeing lots of articles come out that these people have migraines, blurry vision, burning throats.
Actually, today, I'll keep this person nameless, but someone that we talked to while we were there sent me pictures.
They have clear evidence of chloracne.
On their face.
Really?
And all they've done is shower in their home.
Okay, wait a second, because I talked about this, that we would begin to see chloracne.
And by the way, I know from previous research that chloracne can sometimes take up to 12 months to emerge after exposure, which is quite shocking.
Can you explain chloracne to the audience in case people aren't familiar with it?
Yeah, it's very similar to contact dermatitis.
It's your body's immune response to being exposed to a hazardous chemical And there's certain chemicals that can cause this, like dioxins, volatile organic compounds, certain inorganic compounds can, but it can cause blistering of the skin.
It can look like teenage acne without kind of, not to be gross, but like whiteheads.
They're like pustules, or they can look like a rash, but it will almost look like chicken pox.
And sometimes steroids can help this, but then people can get addicted to those steroids.
But my problem is this person who communicated this to me is someone who has been going in and out of the area, told me they've used no new detergent, no new products or makeup, and they've just been showering in their home.
And that's another issue.
I want to give a shout out to, I don't know this person's name, but he had a shirt on at a press conference three days ago in East Palestine from AquaTech.
And boy, did he call out all the improper sampling of the EPA. And he talked about how these are very shallow aquifers and it's going to be sooner rather than later that this is in the groundwater.
So this does not shock me.
And the fact that there's data online I've seen move, and it talks about water tables and distances, and those numbers keep changing.
And I'm not fabricating that because I'm the one that was looking it up three days ago for my affidavit.
And then I look again this morning and the distance changes.
Why is data changing?
It's just fudging the numbers or retroactively altering them.
But about the chloracne, you know, and we've covered this at Natural News, but you can suffer chloracne from airborne contact.
In other words, you don't have to touch a liquid or anything.
It can just be airborne.
Tammy, what...
Are you familiar with the, gosh, I think I have it right here, the history of Monsanto and Dow and Basif and the industrial accidents they had which caused chloracne.
I've got all the paperwork here.
Are you familiar with all that?
Oh yeah.
Chloracne and many other different things.
In fact, our colleague Steven Petty is the lead exposure scientist on those cases and is really doing a great job exposing them And we're hoping that we can see the same kind of accountability with the EPA and other government agencies who have been the greatest perpetrators of harm to the American people.
The agencies that were created to protect people and protect the environment are now the ones causing the greater hazards that they're supposed to be, you know, avoiding.
And so we've followed these court cases.
Kristen and I have testified in many court cases in front of many different legislative bodies around the country the past few years.
And we're very close with Steven Petty, like who I said, is the lead exposure scientist for the Monsanto Roundup cases.
And so we're really hoping that our team, now that's come together over the past few years, can really put enough pressure on Congress to begin to do investigations.
And then hopefully, you know, through the Appropriations Committee, defunding And then privatizing these organizations because, you know, ultimately they've proven that they cannot handle the power that they've been given.
They're not doing what they're supposed to do.
They're causing great harm.
So why in the world would we give them more money to continue to harm the American people and our environment?
I can't think of a three-letter or a four-letter government agency that isn't now weaponized against the people at this point.
I mean, I can't think of one.
I mean, Kristen, you've been in this space for quite some time.
You saw all the scientific fraud with COVID, and now you're seeing it with East Palestine.
Doesn't it feel like we're kind of living in a 1980s Soviet Union, USSR government cover-up?
Of everything?
I mean, worse than a cover-up, a deliberate attack on the people in the case of COVID, for sure.
But what's your take on all this?
Yeah, you know, I wish I could still fit in my Make Orwell Fiction Again t-shirt, because it's exactly what we're seeing.
And the unfortunate aspects of this...
We do have good things that come out of it, and that is people are waking up to how useless these alphabet agencies are, and they think that the government is going to save us all, just like people think that all doctors know everything and all white coats know everything.
No, it's about individual ethics.
It's about specific areas of study.
And, you know, this isn't my first go-around with the EPA. The EPA, and this is why I focus more on the IH profession rather than environmental, but I'm still credentialed in both, is because I've watched the EPA for years ignore Large corporations contributing to mass pollution, including our own government, and military.
But then, like, these little mom and pop shops get caught, you know, not putting a drum on a pallet with, you know, secondary containment.
And, you know, they're facing these giant fines.
This is about a money grab for a lot of these agencies.
And I don't think that we should be going out and doing revenue generation When the sole purpose of these agencies is to protect people and the environment.
It's all a facade, and I've always said that these are unconstitutional, and I believe they should be privatized, because right now what we should be seeing, and the resolution I think we should have here, is that a third-party, non-government-affiliated contractor, you know, have bids put in, have multiple people do it, see if they can come up with the same outcomes.
But there are safer ways to remediate this.
But the first thing that they need to do, Mike, is get these people the hell out of the town.
What is really infuriating me the most, you talk about dioxins, you talk about hydrocarbons.
I already have some data on some sampling that came back that I cannot speak to right now.
But let me tell you, it really needs to be conveyed that nursing mothers need to know.
can leach into the breast milk. - I was just gonna, yeah. - Yes. - I was gonna talk about this.
It's not only nursing mothers, but of course, pregnant women, the neurodevelopmental risk from exposure to these toxins is, I mean, we're talking children, I mean, if the mothers exposed to dioxins, children can be born missing limbs, right?
I mean, that's how, I mean, and that has happened before and it will likely happen again.
I'm terrified of what happens there over the next 12 months, but no one's being told the truth about this.
Tammy, talk about the importance of children, expectant mothers, but also young women of childbearing age who may become pregnant.
The importance of all of that right now, please.
Yes, so Kristen and I have been, we actually created a sub-stack called Truth Exposed.
We are just getting it started because of our concern for the people of East Palestine who are not being told any of this information.
One of the main concerns for us has been pregnant women.
First trimester, there may be very high levels of miscarriage.
Second trimester, there may be very high levels of birth defects.
We know that these dioxins cause very serious birth defects, learning disabilities and things like that.
And then, of course, you know, breastfeeding mothers.
Well, even in the third trimester, when those neurological connections are still being formed in the developing baby's brains, that's when you can see things, you know, that are affected causing neurological or neurodegenerative disorders, even in the third trimester.
And then, of course, leaching into the breast milk.
The babies then are still being, you know, exposed and ingesting.
So then, even as they're still developing up to the age of four, their immune systems are developing.
The neurological connections are still being formed.
And so if you interfere with that in any way you can end up with things like ADD, ADHD, autism, learning disabilities and so we are very very concerned for young women of reproductive age and pregnant women and nursing mothers and then of course the young children still you know up to the age of four or five who don't even have all of the neurological connections formed completely formed yet.
So that's why Kristin and I have said I know this is hard and And we don't want to scare people, but you need to get out.
You need to leave.
Staying there, being exposed over this long term, it's not the same as an acute exposure, which is bad enough.
Both of you plan to potentially testify as expert witnesses in the lawsuit that's been filed.
We interviewed Brian Festa last week, as you know, to announce that lawsuit.
Is that the case?
You're both going to testify?
Well, you know, I would hope that we don't even need to actually testify in person.
You know, I have written an affidavit, which is quite clear that everything is wrong.
But I don't even, basically my affidavit is just a spoiler alert.
As I was writing it, things I said would happen is already happening.
So I'm hoping that there's just injunctive relief.
It's like an administrative hearing.
You know, I'm no lawyer.
I don't know The process of how it happens, but I hope this is very fast because this is the only nonprofit lawsuit that goes after the EPA, Governor DeWine, and the local public health officials because they're the only ones that have the power to evacuate these people and activate financial support to rehome them And get the businesses the financial aid that they need.
During COVID, if we can forgive student loans or attempt to, and we can house people that are crossing the border illegally and getting all these benefits, even some better benefits than I get as a veteran, we can help the people of East Palestine.
So that's the goal of this lawsuit.
So I'm hoping we don't actually have to testify in person.
I'm thinking that administrative data that we can produce is enough.
But yes, we are willing, and there are other people in the wings that are willing to step up.
And our colleagues are involved in other litigation that, you know, they're kind of gagged at this point, so I'm not sure what type of lawsuit they're in.
But, you know, I can say that you have the right people with the right ethics that are willing to speak up.
And this isn't conjecture, this isn't opinion.
I have all the government manuals, EPA standards, even the violations of OSHA standards from these workers not wearing correct PPE I mean, trust me, I worked for the government for 12 years, so it's kind of hard to humanize someone that you trained.
Yeah, exactly.
Okay, as we're getting close to wrapping this up, let me ask you both, I guess, the final question, sort of a political angle on this.
Historically, most of the groups that were more vocal about environmental pollution and contamination tended to be more liberal or left-wing groups.
And right now, this kind of event in East Palestine, at least what I'm seeing, but I want your reaction, I'm seeing a real coming together of we the people.
The American people, regardless of politics, nobody wants mutant children being born in your city.
Nobody wants to live in a toxic stew of pollution.
The left, the right, at this point, for something like this especially, doesn't matter.
The government is increasingly being seen as the The blockade or even the enemy of the people.
What are you seeing out there since you just came from East Palestine?
I'll start with you, Tammy.
What are you seeing in terms of the groups that are involved?
And is what I said accurate?
It's across the spectrum politically or is it something different?
Well, I am actually very, very surprised that the liberal environmental groups are not all over this.
I was really surprised that it took Pete Buttigieg three weeks to get there.
Biden, where's he?
Over in Ukraine, giving them millions of dollars.
Where's the environmental groups?
I mean, we had Erin Brockovich show up, you know, and she's an activist, very passionate like we are.
But where's Greta?
You know, she just wrote a new book.
Where's she?
I am absolutely blown away that the liberal environmental groups that are all about the climate and the environment are nowhere to be found.
And in fact, We have even had some of our interviews canceled off of Facebook.
They won't even let us talk about this.
And it's crazy to me because I thought, wait a minute, this isn't political to us.
This is science.
This is about keeping people healthy and safe.
Why are the liberal left now crickets on this and not allowing us to talk about it when you would think they'd be all over this?
So it's very telling, actually.
Yeah, you would think.
Kristen, what's your take?
Well, from meeting the amazing, kind, and selfless people there in East Palestine, I did not even get a sense of what their political leanings were.
But I did hear it's a very red area.
But it's very disheartening on Twitter.
When I post something about a video or an interview, I drop my podcast today of our ground coverage, and I get tweets that say, this is Trump's fault.
Listen, Ron Paul is my hero.
I don't care if it was Jesus.
I don't care who could have changed a rule.
It doesn't matter.
None of that matters.
What matters is that human health is being impacted, and our long-term impacts on the environment can affect people in mass quantities, like you said, because of going through the food chain.
Can we just put all this stuff aside and stop immediately trying to find a side to blame and go, this is messed up, and that the EPA shouldn't be left or right?
I mean, this is a federal agency that is not doing their job.
But you have people that are always going to point a finger, and it's really sad.
I cannot believe I've heard people say it's their own fault because they voted for Trump.
Yeah, dioxins don't care about your political affiliation right there.
That is a non-discriminatory molecule with four chlorine atoms on the corner, which makes it practically unbreakable, by the way, hence the persistent nature of this chemical.
Okay, wrapping this up, this has already been fascinating.
I really hope that you both can keep in touch with me about what's going on and the status of your lawsuits.
I'd love to get a copy of your affidavit, by the way, Kristen.
And then once we get our lab equipment up and running, we'd love to collaborate with you on some proper testing of some samples and see what's going on, even with the food supply.
But final thoughts, start with you, Tammy.
What would you like to leave our audience with here today?
Well, I just want people to understand that it's very, very important for us to all open our eyes and recognize the bigger picture of what's happening because we're watching things happen like in clusters.
First, we were dealing with everybody had to shelter in place.
Everybody had to quarantine.
Everybody had to test.
Everybody had to mask.
Okay, we got through that.
That whole thing has been debunked.
We all know what a farce all of that was.
There was no science or evidence-based practice being followed there.
Now, all of a sudden, we're dealing with meat processing plants on fire, poultry plants, eggs.
I mean, it's just one thing after another.
Now, all the train derailments, all the hazardous chemical spills, and the environmental contaminant issues that we're dealing with, it's like everything is happening in clusters.
And all along the way, it is the government that is the biggest perpetrator and behind all of this and all of these government agencies that are actually causing great harm and interfering with our lives and our health and our safety.
So I want people to just wake up.
I mean, when pre-COVID did this kind of thing happen in our world?
It didn't.
And so it's very interesting with everything that now some of the agendas are being pushed on the World Economic Forum website and, you know, through some of the Davos Summit hearings now that they're very public, they're discussing with world leaders.
I want people to wake up and just be able to take the blinders off and start connecting the dots for themselves because This is what we're dealing with.
We're dealing with a very nefarious plot behind the scenes, and this is not accidental.
And I'm not saying every single accident is intentional, but the whole thing, the big picture, we need to zoom out and start looking at things from that 30,000-foot view and get involved and stop just accepting these things and going along.
Exactly.
Okay, well said, Kristen.
Your final thoughts as we wrap this up today?
I just want to say that regardless of I do remember it was a time in my life where regardless of what was going on in the world, everyone united.
Every travesty or incident in this country does not need to be political.
When people are being truly harmed, we need to unite and hold people accountable that can correct it.
And just like we saw during COVID, we saw an infection fatality rate be overblown that forced mandates, useless control measures, And those of us that could have provided solutions were silenced.
Now we have a situation where there's actually an extreme hazard, and I believe a lot of unknown hazards, and the improper response, lack of risk communication, and the lack of trust that has been built through this, I think we're going to have immediate and long-term health effects and major impacts on the environment there.
So we just need to unite and understand.
You can point fingers later, but right now we need to take care of people.
It's no different than a woman Getting burned in her home.
You don't immediately go enact legislation and attack the electrical failure toy or whatever that started the fire.
You first treat the woman, right?
So let's not put the cart before the horse.
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So we are not here to be ambulance chasers.
We know how unsafe this is without scaring you.
I need you to understand the need for the injunctive relief right now.
Well said, Kristen.
I've got to say, Michigan is lucky to have you both.
America is lucky to have you.
And please keep doing what you're doing.
We'll support you as best we can.
Love to have you back on.
Anytime you have a major announcement, you can reach out to me directly.
You both have my direct number.
And anything else, we can be of service.
In fact, again, Kristen, if you'll send me your affidavit, I'll get that over to my editorial team.
We'll cover that editorially.
And anything else you can think of, how we can help, just let me know.
Thank you for joining me today.
Thank you.
Thank you, Mike.
Absolutely.
It's just an honor to know you both and to be working with you here on Team Humanity.
And for those of you watching today, thank you for watching.
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