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Feb. 21, 2023 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Eric Coppolino interviewed by the Health Ranger over DIOXIN FALLOUT...
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Welcome to the Health Ranger Report on Brighteon.tv.
I'm Mike Adams, the Health Ranger and the founder of Brighteon.
And today we have a really extraordinary first-time guest.
This is the first time I've ever had the chance to speak with him.
But he really impressed me with an article on Substack.
And his name is Eric F. Coppolino.
And I'll allow him to introduce himself, but he's been studying dioxins and the toxicity from dioxins for about 40 years.
And let's see, he's the host of PlanetWaves.fm on the Pacifica radio network.
And you can find his Substack page by going to PlanetWaves.org, O-R-G.
And there he has a resource guide on dioxins.
And I think that he has some very critical information for humanity to share with us today.
Mr. Coppolino, thank you so much for what you've done, for what you're doing, for educating people and sounding the alarm.
And welcome to the show.
Mike, thank you.
Doing my best.
And I've long wanted to meet you, and I'm sorry it's under these circumstances, but here we find ourselves doing the thing that we came here to do.
Well, exactly.
We live in this toxic world where there are all these cover-ups, where it seems like nobody in a position of power or authority wants to tell the truth about what's going on, and people are being exposed to all of this.
And right now, the railroad company, Norfolk Southern, is paying people $1,000 to sign away all future workplaces.
Well, what happened...
Two weeks ago, a little bit more, I guess, is an unimaginable worst-case scenario.
I mean, if someone had put together what they thought would be the worst possible environmental disaster involving dioxin, it would be something like What happened and then further compounded by the fact that the railroad, apparently with consent of the governor, conducted a dump and burn operation of a chemical called vinyl chloride monomer.
So first of all, this is a worst case scenario.
And before I get into the history...
Just because you haven't heard about it doesn't mean that it's not a persistent problem that has basically been known since 1949.
And in other forms prior to that, but in 1949, the dioxin molecule was identified by Monsanto after an incident very similar to this in a place called Nitro, West Virginia.
I'm going to add that to my list.
This was a toxin discovered of such unimaginable potency that it would kill rabbits by merely putting it on their ears.
And then when they put another rabbit into the same cage without putting it into their ears, onto their ear, that next rabbit would die.
So this is a toxin that is of Incomprehensible potency.
I know you referenced my aspirin tablet metaphor that actually comes from Peter Montague, a science historian.
And in fact, the weight of one aspirin tablet, about five grains or 325 milligrams, contains what the EPA falsely says is the safe...
Quote, quote, safe lifetime dose for 32 million people.
That's unbelievable.
The weight of one aspirin tablet.
So the weight of 10 aspirin tablets would be the claim.
This is false.
I'll get into why this isn't the second threshold dose for the entire United States.
You could fit this into an envelope and mail it for one stamp.
And a heck of a lot more of that has been produced, and there is no telling how much was created.
So I will get into the history and the chemistry of it, but I want to say, in case people don't get very far in this program, let's start with the most important thing.
The children and the pregnant women have to be evacuated immediately.
Any woman or girl who wants to have children needs to be evacuated immediately.
Based on the precautionary principle and the fact that there has been no dioxin testing conducted whatsoever, the entire town needs to be evacuated and basically relocated.
Now, I know nobody wants to hear this, but the consequences of just staying there and toughing it out are not going to be good.
Well, let me let me jump in here, because what you're saying is this is breaking news.
And I agree with your assessment, by the way, this town needs to be evacuated and it needs to be remediated with no one, no one living there, obviously.
And it may take years to remediate this.
And even then, you know, look at the half-life of this substance in the soils.
There is none.
I mean, it never goes away.
Is that really?
That's a fact.
It does not break down.
Okay.
I thought that it was like microbes could help break it down over a century or so, like a half-life of 50 to 100 years.
This is theorized.
This has not been demonstrated.
There's been so little.
I mean, we're familiar with how much information was concealed about cannabis by making it illegal.
There were no studies.
No one could get permission to do it.
It was incorrectly put on Schedule 1, etc., etc.
It's a similar situation with dioxin, where it's an unregulatable chemical because any amount is toxic, no matter how small.
The stuff is measured in femtograms.
That's unreal.
And in parts per quadrillion.
Yeah.
So this is not an issue that is, A, well-known.
It has been silenced by the corporate media for three decades.
So for those listening...
The most recent serious investigation was by me in 1994.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
No, no.
I appreciate you bringing all this in.
A femtogram, I believe, is one one-millionth of one one-billionth of a gram, right?
So a femtogram is six orders of magnitude away from a nanogram, correct?
Well, it goes nanogram, I think, picogram, femtogram.
Nano, pico, femto.
The thing is, we're talking amounts so small you cannot conceive of it.
Right.
The weight of the air you're breathing is far heavier.
Unreal.
So if a person gets one drop of this substance on their body, that's actually maybe hundreds of thousands of times the maximum lifetime exposure.
Something like that.
But it's a slow-acting poison.
That's the thing.
It's not likely to be...
An acute, immediately deadly toxin in adults, but it can be for children, it can be for fetuses, it can be for many, many different kinds of animals, though they have very different types of sensitivities.
Some are much more sensitive than others, and then it is a long-term contaminant for everyone, mainly deriving most of its power from being a hormone disruptor.
It's a hormonal toxin.
And that's where it gets most of its power, in addition to being a carcinogen, but that too is connected to the hormonal action.
So then the results of this exposure that is taking place and that has taken place, the curve of the timeline of this may stretch out for decades.
Generations.
Generations.
Unreal.
Because it's a multi-generational poison.
According to a Dow chemical study kept secret by the That's unbelievable.
This is not a joke.
And in your article, too, I noticed that looking at the history of the lawsuits on this and so on, and you've done, obviously you've covered this for a long time, and I really want to give you credit because you did an extraordinary job there and continue to do so, but Monsanto came right back into the picture.
Monsanto, the history of Monsanto, Agent Orange, dioxins, and gave me flashbacks of all the horrible things Monsanto did to try to cover up GMOs and glyphosate.
So, you know, it's the same corporations that are killing humanity with these toxic chemicals.
I was not surprised to see Monsanto as part of this.
The problem here is that nobody was supposed to light the freaking chemical on fire.
Right.
I mean, there was some seriously misguided decision making going on there because you couldn't have done anything worse with dioxins.
Particularly, I mean, to my knowledge, and there may be more, but we're looking at nine carloads of chlorinated chemicals.
Five of them were vinyl chloride monomer, a precursor to polyvinyl chloride, and four seemingly, well, classified, non-hazardous cars full of PVC pellets.
And they all burn.
So we had nine cars full of these chlorinated compounds burning, but they were burning in the presence of non-chlorinated compounds, which then add the hydrocarbons to the mix.
And so when you add the chlorine burning to the hydrocarbon burning, you get chlorinated hydrocarbons of which dioxin is by far the most potent.
And it will certainly be there.
That's why they buried the freaking ditch.
They buried the pit.
Right, right.
But I want to ask you, has anybody done the math on the chemistry of this, of determining what mass of the various dioxin compounds, what's the total aggregate mass or estimates of that, that would have been the result of the combustion of the vinyl chloride that was ignited?
Yeah.
Any idea?
There's no way to predict that.
And I mean, I'm sure that kind of a theoretical chemist could, you know, number crunch it.
But we don't even know how many tons of material, in fact, burned.
And it was all burned at a diversity of different temperatures.
Right.
And, you know, the stuff is supposed to be burned at like 2,000 degrees.
These fires were not nearly that hot.
And so when even burning it at 2,000 degrees, you will still get new dioxins created from And this stuff was burned at low temperatures in a completely open, unfiltered, uncontained burn along with some 10 or 15 or 20 other rail cars burning.
And you don't need a lot of chlorine to make dioxin.
Yeah, so speak to what you just said is really critical.
Thank you for pointing it out.
When you try to remediate dioxin-contaminated soils and you go to something called incineration, As you said, that requires extremely high temperatures to break apart these very tough molecules, these fluorinated compounds.
But if you burn at a lower temperature, what you're actually doing is you are distributing the toxin.
So you're forming compounds and then you're distributing them.
But you notice how the media says this is a controlled burn.
Controlled.
Oh, what a joke.
Right.
What a complete joke.
Throwing a flare in a pit full of a volatile chemical is a controlled burn?
Please.
No, I mean, what a cover story.
Yeah.
No, it's not controlled at all.
I mean, it's going into the air and then the wind is taking it and the fallout is happening.
That's not controlled.
You know, if somebody did this, if a terrorist did something like this, I mean, it would be called an act of ecological terrorism.
It was an act of ecological terrorism, and everybody who was involved should be held criminally liable.
Agreed.
They should be in custody now.
Yes.
There should be a grand jury impaneled now.
I don't really foresee that happening in a place like Ohio, but, you know, a boy can dream.
So let's talk about what the real risks are.
One of the problems is how this spreads is And it's going to spread through every vector.
I mean, there's a massive plume in the atmosphere that is probably not that far from where it started, which really means kind of, you know, draw a 500-mile circle around East Palestine, and that's pretty much your exposure area right out to the east coast.
So it's going to come down in the rain.
It's going to be moved around by atmospheric movement, and then we have a further problem of movement by dust.
This is a very serious problem with dioxin, because where it's settling, it's going to eventually bind with the soil, and then in the dry weather, that soil is going to flake apart and become volatilized.
And forest fires, forest fires.
Well, yeah, but just ordinary dry dirt, even a drought of any kind, any dust at all.
So this summer, there could be another spread, a secondary spread.
It's just going to be continuous.
Right.
It's continuous.
And, of course, I know you're familiar far more than I am with the history of dioxins, but Times Beach, Missouri, right?
They were spraying, what, dioxin-contaminated motor oil on dirt roads to try to keep down the dust?
Well, it was really being used as a dioxin dump.
Right.
A town in Missouri was being used as a dump by Monsanto.
The stuff was all coming out of St.
Louis.
Right.
And being given or sold or paid to a guy named Russell Bliss, who then basically dumped it over and over and over again.
I mean, we're told, oh, that it was sprayed to keep the dust down, but this is like the minimalist version of this series of events.
Massive quantities were dumped on the town.
So that is not really a point source.
That is a destination.
It became a dump site, and of course, that town was completely leveled, incinerated, and turned into some crazy Route 66 state park.
Unreal.
Yeah.
But it also brings up the point that, interestingly, back then, and what was that, the early 70s?
That issue came to a head in 1978.
78?
Oh, no, no.
No, I'm sorry.
Well, that was coming to a head around the same era, but the dumping was going on From the 60s to the 70s.
I'm sorry, I got confused with Love Canal for a second, which is another comparable situation to this, the neighborhood of Niagara Falls, New York.
What I'm trying to point out, isn't it interesting that back then, the mainstream media was covering it.
Today, we see in East Palestine, we see just denial, just total denial out there by the media and the government and the EPA and the corporation that's involved here.
So every authority is pretending that this is not a problem.
And it smacks of Chernobyl.
It smacks of the Soviet Union, 1986, saying, oh, there's no radiation problem here.
It's practically, and in many ways, this is more dangerous than radiation, by the way.
I would agree.
It's a matter of how much you get, but...
You know, you don't want to choose your poison, really, right?
But nonetheless, you know, it's a huge problem.
Now, there's a history to how this became an open secret.
Because, I mean, the number of towns where this has happened include Love Canal, Nitro, West Virginia, Ceveso, Italy, Vertac in Jacksonville, Love Canal, New Paltz, New York, Binghamton, New York.
Five Rivers, Oregon, Bloomington, Indiana, Pittsfield, Massachusetts, and others that essentially became these kind of ground zero locations of massive dioxin releases.
But here's what happened in the early 1990s was that a newsletter editor who produced like a one-page front and back newsletter every week, Dr. Peter Montague, quoted government documents and court records about dioxin. quoted government documents and court records about dioxin.
And Monsanto put up one of the scientists who did one of the studies that was completely fraudulent to sue him and provided him with an attorney to sue Peter Montague.
It was a very bad move.
They did not anticipate the judge granting broad discovery motions to prove that what Dr. Montague published was true.
But even – well, and then William Gaffey died before the lawsuit to go to trial.
But not after the entire press was warned off of the issue because it would seem to lead to a – potentially lead to a lawsuit.
And then something else happened, which is also in the early 90s.
The New York Times ran a six-part page one series by a writer named Keith Schneider about how dioxin is not as serious as previously believed – And people believed it.
And that was also about 30 years ago.
So the issue came to a head in the 70s and 80s.
It was still peaking in the early 1990s with the federal government's reassessment of the toxicity of dioxin, which said that it was orders of magnitude worse than previously hoped or believed.
And then suddenly the lawsuit against Montague and the fake New York Times coverage The issue went away from the press.
Now, you skip ahead 30 years.
When I have a conversation with a chemist, and I'm talking to chemists, they don't really understand the actual issue.
They can help me with the molecule.
They can help me understand the The formation of the molecule and all this stuff, but they're not versed on the issue.
Of the toxicity.
Because it kept quiet so long.
Well, and this is the history of powerful corporations and regulatory capture in America under every administration.
It's not left or right.
It's corporate infiltration of government.
We saw it with big tobacco, right?
We saw it with GMOs.
We see it with pesticides.
We see it with, I mean...
Everything you can imagine, right?
You know, arsenic and baby food, right?
You name it.
Or lead and gasoline before that was taken out for the most part, right?
I mean, they were – cars driving down the road in the 1970s were just spewing lead all over – all in the air.
I mean, wow.
And we were told it's all safe.
So – Oh, yeah.
People are – Yes.
Yes.
you.
The lying has gone on for generations and it's not going to stop now.
What are your thoughts on that?
Well, there's a special game played with dioxin and it is by far the most pernicious of the environmental games because to bring up the dioxin issue and now the dioxin issue is up.
I mean, there's going to be no getting around that.
This most toxic chemical leads to the most toxic games played by particularly federal but also state authorities.
And when it comes time to testing, this is when the playbook needs to be understood that there's a playbook here.
And that playbook involves testing in the wrong places, testing for the wrong chemical, testing by the wrong method.
I'm losing test results, losing the samples themselves, quote unquote, losing, losing.
And every other game imaginable down to burning down the homes of people with massive document collections in their homes, which is more of an issue when the documents were not kept on the Internet as they are today, Yes.
And they, you know, may have forgotten how bad it is themselves.
You know, I interviewed a scientist, a former EPA whistleblower, Dr. David.
David Lewis, and I produced a film called Biosludged, which is free, folks.
If you want to watch it, it's at biosludged.com.
But that's about the biosludge accumulation.
And you know what Dr.
Lewis told me?
Any terrorist that wanted to distribute a toxic substance in America, all they have to do is dump it in one sewage port, you know, one sewage drain, and then the city will distribute it across all the farms and fields and parks and everywhere that they're dumping all this biosludge.
Well, think about dioxins now.
So dioxins are moving down the Ohio River into the Mississippi and into the Gulf, ultimately, And think about all the cities that use those as water sources, including Cincinnati, by the way.
And then that's going to get flushed down the toilet.
That's going to go into the biosludge in all those cities.
So biosludge, or I think it's called biosolids in a lot of these cities, it's going to be a dioxin accumulation cesspool, and they're going to spread that on the farms, folks.
That's what's coming.
Yep.
And it's going to be uptake by farm animals.
There's 75,000 farms in Ohio, probably a comparable number in Pennsylvania.
Most of them are family farms.
So, I mean, this is the kind of thing that is so bad that you would think that society would be organized around making sure that it never happened.
But what we have is quite the contrary, society-organized farms.
sure that it happened.
I mean, how many thousands of tons of material were on those trains, which is two employees and one trainee on that train?
There were just three guys running that train.
And then every bad decision was made in terms of how you want to contain this.
You don't want to take the entire thing and dump it into the atmosphere.
I mean, this will come down in the rain basically everywhere.
There will be eventually some measurable level in the rain.
I can't believe I'm even saying this.
I assume the issue was dead because nobody cared about it anymore.
And I have maintained my document collection and my contacts and my archives the best I could over, You know, the essentially 39 and a half years I've been on this issue, and now suddenly it is right in our faces.
Well, Eric, may I call you Eric?
Sure.
Let's collaborate on this, because I don't know if you heard my announcement, but in our food science lab, we have a triple quad mass spec, and we're just now acquiring a gas chromatography interface.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Yes, and this is going to be up and running in about 90 days, and it will allow us to get a peak response, you know, a visible peak of two femtograms that's load on column with a one microliter injection.
In other words, we're going to have, you know, parts per billion, subparts per billion sensitivity on this instrument.
Sure, that will work for this, but don't ruin your equipment.
You need somebody really experienced with dioxin per se.
You don't want to ruin all this new gear.
No, no.
We're getting training from the manufacturer.
They're coming in-house to do the training on this.
We already run these instruments for glyphosate detection.
So we're already familiar with the software and everything.
And importantly, we're not handling dioxin external standards.
So we're not going to be able to get an actual full quant I'd rather have to do it than anybody.
I don't even trust labs when I send out samples.
Yeah.
I don't know who owns the lab.
So you're as good as it gets in this game.
You can trust us and, again, give us 90 days to get this new interface up and running.
We already have the instrument.
This is just a gas chromatography interface that connects with the instrument.
We've been running this instrument for years on glyphosate.
And we're getting like five parts per billion limit of quantitation on the glyphosate.
But we'll be able to do dioxins, and we need to work with people like you who have networks of contacts in Ohio, in the Amish farms, in Pennsylvania.
We've got to get samples.
We need soil.
We need water.
We need grass.
We need, you know, we need samples.
And then we'll do the testing.
Well, they have to be collected correctly, and the places they need to be collecting now, because we're about, you know, maybe entering some kind of a first round of testing, and we have to keep the pressure on.
We have to get the EPA to admit this is an issue, first of all.
But they need to be testing on rooftops right now.
Good point.
That's the most important thing.
and air intakes, rooftops and air intakes, because they're not going to be disturbed so badly by foot traffic and vehicular traffic, and you'll get your cleanest samples.
And there's a sampling – you need a sampling kit includes hexane and the right bottle without plastic and so forth.
I don't know the current protocols.
I've never...
I've never personally done dioxin testing, only PCBs and glyphosate.
Well, I haven't done dioxin testing either, but you're right, and I'll have my lab team find out the proper protocols so we can do this correctly.
But no matter what we find, you can bet the EPA is going to argue with it and say, no, that can't be.
No, we certified it's all good.
Yeah.
Well, but that's also how you force their hand.
And then there has to be a third party who's not paid for by the railroad who's functioning independently.
And there will be what are called – there need to be what are called split samples.
The same place sampled has to be sent to two labs – Independently of one another so that the results can be compared and both labs are aware there's going to be split samples and therefore they're more likely to do an honest job.
So in the immediate sense, there has to be dioxin mapping and we have to even have a pass-fail, which of course I don't think it's going to pass.
I mean, obviously they're going to find it.
With this astounding, it's just incomprehensible.
I mean, the entire quantity of Love Canal was 23,000 tons of waste that was at least kept under the ground for the most part and in a kind of a cool place.
Here you had a comparable amount of chemical stock burning suddenly in the open air.
So this was just like Love Canal turned inside out and lit on fire.
Unbelievable.
It's unthinkable that someone would do this.
Now, let me ask you, Eric.
Again, I want to give out your website where people can follow you, planetwaves.fm.
You're the host.
You're the lead of the Chiron Returns investigative team.
Is that correct?
Yeah, Chiron Returns investigative team.
Chironreturn.org if you want to find us.
Okay.
And then you have planetwaves.org.
It gets people to your Substack page.
Yes.
And you've been covering this for, what, you said 40 years?
Yeah.
Well, I first got into the issue when I was a 19-year-old features editor for the Campus Magazine at SUNY Buffalo, and I read in the Buffalo News that the state of New York wanted to To rehabitate the Love Canal area after,
five years earlier, a massive evacuation of 700 families, and then just a few years later, the state was talking about painting the houses and changing the street names and changing the name of the neighborhood and then selling the houses to unsuspecting people, houses that were bought out in the Superfund buyout.
And that was my first investigative feature as a 19-year-old.
And then I did many tours of duty in journalism, business, and public higher ed, and got dragged in in 91 when there was a Toxics release.
I can send you B-roll photos if you'd like.
A toxics release due to PCB transformers exploding on the campus of the State University of New York at New Paltz.
Oh, wow.
So that was my kind of trial by fire where my community experienced a dioxin release, and I put the next three years of my life into covering it and then spread out a network of people around the world who had worked on this issue recently.
And, you know, learn the entire history and learn the game that the authorities play because I played that game with them as a journalist.
And I will tell you that citizen action works in these cases.
Citizen action.
It works.
You must keep the heat on them and not fall for their lies.
They're going to put up nozzle heads who say, yeah, it's safe.
There's a safe level.
Anybody who says there's an acceptable or safe level, you know they're lying.
That's how you can tell they're a shill.
They say there's a safe level.
Of dioxins.
Yeah.
This is not about vinyl chloride or PVC. This is about the combustion products.
Those things are bad.
These things are, dioxins are stratospherically worse than those things.
And yes, this is what we see in this quest for profit, and I guess in this case, to clear the rail lines and get more trains running, instead of dealing with the more involved process of a liquid contaminant that would have to be pumped and contained and so on.
They just said, oh, let's just set fire to it.
It'll burn off in a couple of days, and then we can reopen the railroad tracks.
And by doing that, they're exporting the poisons and making it everybody's problem instead of just their problem.
Oh, yeah.
And the tanker trucks were put on notice that night.
I have a source in the steel industry who knows the railroad industry because there's a lot of steel recycling in the railroad industry who said the tanker cars were put on call that night to be available to do a proper disposal of these chemicals.
Really?
Probably hundreds of trips and tanker cars, and they could have contained it.
But they not only took a bad course of action, they took the absolutely worst conceivable cause of action.
You'd have to be quite a science fiction author to come up with a...
I'm just astonished that we're even having these conversations.
But this is where we find ourselves, and we need to get this information to people in East Palestine and far around it.
Well, we absolutely do.
We're going to be covering your work.
Now, going to your website, let me just bring this up.
You've got a resource on your Substack page, which people can reach at planetwaves.org.
Forward to your Substack page.
You've got a dioxin resource page for citizens and journalists.
Yes.
Can you tell us what we will learn in that resource guide?
Well, it'll take you all the way back to the discovery of dioxin, depending on which one you read.
The first piece I wrote about this where I took two articles by my senior colleague, Peter Montague, and posted them and then put kind of a long intro on top of it will give you a Comprehensive history back to the beginning.
But then you're going to learn many side stories.
There are important interviews with Carol Van Strum, who went through a situation comparable, but again, not nearly as bad as this, in the 1970s and the 1980s.
I'm talking to her every single day.
We've remained friends for 30 years, so you'll hear two interviews with her.
There is coverage of the way that the New York Times essentially participated with the CDC in a political detoxification.
One of the best investigative reports in American journalism history by Vicki Monks called See No Evil.
And you'll have my coverage of the history of PCBs, which includes some history of dioxins.
There are many branches of this story, and I try to keep it down to a Kind of compact.
It would take about a day to read all these things, but it took us, the rest of us, you know, half a century to research this.
So that's a pretty good return to get, like, in a day what took us all 50 years collectively.
Many people, 20, 30, 40, 50 years to do.
There's a documentary about Times Beach, Missouri, that's also on there as well.
And I'll add resources to it, and we'll respond to requests.
But the idea here was to bring people up to speed fast.
We're going to cover that.
And we'll do some editorial coverage citing your resource guide.
And then also, can you recommend, is there anyone else that I should also be interviewing on this?
I mean, even off air, you could let us know.
I want to pursue this issue very diligently.
Unfortunately, there are not a lot of prominent...
I mean, I can't really name very many people.
There's people I wish we could have, but they're not alive anymore.
The attorneys who handled the train car spill in Sturgeon, Missouri...
And litigated Monsanto about its dioxin problem, which is where a great many documents came out.
Peter Montague is in his 80s.
He's not, I don't think, making any public appearances at all.
And so I was the little kid among these, like, pretty serious people.
When this happened in my community when I was 27 years old in New Paltz, New York, and I've kind of I mean, Erin Brockovich has been very outspoken on dioxin.
She's an incredibly articulate speaker.
She's more, you know, doing network news appearances.
Reach out to her.
I hear she's going to be in East Palestine on Friday.
We may be able to organize getting video of that.
And, you know, I will reach out to Carol.
I don't think she's video capable, though.
Okay.
No, it's low tech.
I just want to put that out there.
And we can have you back on as well.
And we can collaborate on some testing, you know, throughout the year, hopefully.
I think that would be ideal.
But you make a very important point.
There aren't a lot of people who can talk about this publicly because it's been so many decades since the Missouri incident, for example, and in New York as well.
And so this is something that's, this is a ghost of the past that's coming back to haunt us now again in our modern day.
And the younger generations have never heard of this before.
No, they've never heard of it.
I mean, I wondered for a long time why I was, like, maintaining climate-controlled storage for my document collection, which, by the way, is also online at Columbia University and at DocumentCloud.
Those resources are also listed in my primary dioxin resource.
Now I know why I've, you know, kept this issue simmering in the background all of these years, and I'm grateful there's at least one person Who can explain this cohesively and keep the issue in play.
And thanks to Neil Donoghue at Carnegie Mellon for being the first person to say the word dioxin publicly.
It was a low-key mention, but it was mentioned.
So it is starting to percolate in, but this is the word we need.
You need to get this into your social media comments.
Post my Substack piece, even where you think it's irrelevant.
This issue affects everyone.
I mean, this stuff is in every bite of food to some level, and it has never been addressed by the government or the companies.
They just keep sweeping it under the rug.
And then they keep us entertained for three years with a phony virus.
I know, it's the pandemic.
Day 1100 of my virus coverage, and every day I'm like, what is going on here?
Like, I know the dioxin issue, and these people are having complete panic attacks over a respiratory virus that only kills you if you're on remdesivir in a ventilator.
Yeah, isn't it amazing how people's response to real danger is often so misaligned with it?
And the press helped with this, I mean, around the clock.
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
We're brainwashed.
We've got to wrap this up here.
Sorry to cut you off there.
Nope, not at all.
We've got to wrap this up in a couple of minutes here, but I just want to say, also for the record, and get your response, Eric.
I understand that your audience may be more on the political left, more progressive.
My audience is more conservative, Christian.
But I want to say, people, this issue transcends all politics, dammit.
This is about humanity.
It doesn't matter what side of the aisle anybody is on.
It doesn't matter what you think about presidents or elections when it comes to dioxins.
You have no future.
If you're contaminated with dioxins, you have no farms, no food, no future, no children, no reproduction, nothing.
The politics do not matter, period.
What's your response to that, Eric?
Well, that's true.
I mean, this is certainly not a left-right issue.
Bill Clinton is one of the worst offenders in terms of concealing the problem because of Vertak in Jacksonville, Arkansas.
Which was basically concealing a massive dioxin problem created during the Vietnam War.
And Clinton took part in that directly.
And then Clinton also stuffed the reassessment of dioxin's toxicity in the early 2000s.
The 1990s, very early in his administration.
And all of this has made me a kind of a former member of the left.
You know, I think what they're calling us now the anti-war left.
Oh, is that right?
Well, I thought the left was supposed to always be anti-war.
Like, what happened?
Yeah, well, that's been...
A lot of things have kind of...
Yes.
Become completely backwards.
And look, I mean, even as a former progressive, I've always felt more comfortable with conservatives for some reason.
And they seem to like me more.
I don't know why.
I'm a complete freak.
But I've always gotten along better with Republicans.
So go figure that out.
Look, it's interesting.
But, you know, when I was in college, I was a Bill Clinton supporter when I was in college.
So there you go.
You just never know.
The more we learn, the more wisdom we gain.
You know, you find out what's really important.
And I got to say right now, folks, we've got to get these toxic chemicals out of our supply chains, our industries, our food, our bodies, or we have no future.
We have no future.
But we have to get the girls and the young women and the pregnant people out of East Palestine or anywhere near, and that town has to be evacuated.
And people will be shocked when the guys come in wearing level A moon suits to do the sampling of Yeah.
Yeah.
wearing the full moon suit with the air packs inside the suit.
That's what they're going to be wearing when they sample East Palestine for dioxins.
All right, so that's the breaking news today.
Eric Coppolino, and we join you in calling for an evacuation of East Palestine and the surrounding area where that fallout has taken place.
That's critical, but especially, as you said, for women of childbearing age and children and pregnant women right now.
Yep.
What about pregnant men?
Mike, thank you for helping me get this word out.
What about the pregnant men, Eric?
Do we have to get them out, too?
Definitely.
Definitely.
No, I had to throw that out there.
The world's pretty twisted, but...
Folks, nobody should be exposed to these toxins.
So thank you, Mr.
Coppolino, for taking the time for all that you've done.
I think your work is extremely important for humanity, and we will invite you back, and we'll collaborate with you, and we'll do our best to sound the alarm.
And thank you.
And thank you to all the people who spent hours and hours and hours explaining this issue to me and running copies and mailing me things and introducing me to other people.
They're good folks.
They're good folks on this issue.
Okay, folks, planetwaves.org gets you to Eric's Substack page, and planetwaves.fm gets you to his show, his network.
And thank you so much, Eric Coppolino, for joining us today.
It's been a pleasure.
Thank you, Mike.
God bless.
And bye for now.
Okay.
We'll keep in touch.
And for those of you watching, as always, feel free to repost this.
Just give Eric credit.
Repost this on any channel, any platform.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighttown.com, where we can have uncensored free speech discussions like this, but you're free to post it elsewhere as well.
We're in trouble, folks.
We better educate each other and get up to speed or we won't make it through this toxic world.
Okay.
Thank you for watching.
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