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Dec. 1, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Dr. Scott Lively warns how LGBTQ indoctrination leads to collapse of human civilization
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Welcome, folks.
We have a wonderful guest for you today, Dr.
Scott Lively, who is a Brighteon.tv host on Sunday mornings, also 10 a.m.
Eastern, and he's the author of numerous books.
One of them is called The Pink Swastika.
I'm going to ask him about that because, of course, that ruffled a few feathers.
In the culture wars a few years ago, but he joins us today to talk about the culture wars, about the Senate voting to legalize gay marriage, about LGBT transgender agendas, and so much more.
Welcome, Dr.
Lively.
People love your work.
I honor what you're pointing out and exposing all the evil in the world.
We're gonna talk about some of that, but welcome to the show.
Thank you, Mike, and I really thank you for the privilege of being a part of Brideon.tv.
It's a fantastic adventure you have, and I think it's going to have a huge impact in the world.
Well, thank you so much for saying that, but it's only due to people like you who are using the platform to speak in your own free speech way.
But you've been speaking on this issue for a couple of decades plus, and I think To your credit, you were ahead of the curve on all of this.
In fact, what year was that book, The Pink Swastika, was that published?
It was first published in 1995.
Wow!
Okay, could you walk us through what that book was really presenting to the world?
Well, just to put it in context, I was the communications director for the Oregon Citizens Alliance back in 1992, the 92 election cycle, when we were running the No Special Rights Act to stop the government, prevent the government in Oregon from adopting sexual orientation as a category for minority status.
And it was really the most aggressive process Pro-family ballot measure campaign ever in the country It failed But our sister organization in Colorado passed a modified version of it that became Amendment 2, that became the Supreme Court case of Romer v.
Evans when Justice Anthony Kennedy gutted our movement and issued the first of the four majority opinions at SCOTUS that established a gay cultural supremacy over Christianity in America.
The context of the No Special Rights Act was very, very intense.
The most intense political campaign at the state level, I think, that's ever happened in the US. And the core of the opposition campaign was that people who oppose gay rights are like the Nazis.
And in the midst of fighting back against that, I joined together with Jewish Holocaust researcher Kevin Abrams and we decided to do a book to push back against that and to try to stop the LGBT movement from hijacking the Holocaust, which they were trying to do at that time.
And we succeeded in that, and we actually stopped.
We forced the gay movement to stop using the inverted pink triangle as their main symbol, trying to connect it with the plight of some homosexuals in Nazi Germany.
And they had to drop that, basically, and then they switched to the rainbow because of what we did with the pink swastika.
Oh, really?
But the rainbow also, that symbol's been hijacked because...
Right.
The rainbow has a lot of biblical meanings and so on, even throughout the history of literature and even just mythos and narrative throughout cultures.
So, yeah, but go ahead.
We see the rainbow now everywhere as if it's claiming territory over every city on earth.
Well, the rainbow is the biblical symbol of the presence and authority of God.
And so it's not an accident that the homosexual movement wraps itself in God's cloak.
I mean, it's an act of brazen defiance of God with enormous spiritual significance.
Another of my books is actually titled Redeeming the Rainbow.
It's the only textbook that I know of that advises pro-family advocates how to effectively oppose the LGBT agenda.
Well, okay, I already have so many questions for you, but the first question is going back to what you said, the no special rights ballot measure.
And did you say that was in Oregon, correct?
It was ballot measure 9 in Oregon in the 1992 election cycle called the No Special Rights Act.
So correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like your philosophy is that...
That all people should enjoy basic human rights or civil rights, but that those rights, there should not be special cutouts for people simply because of statements of their sexual orientation, right?
You're not saying discriminate against them, but you're saying that other people shouldn't be disfavored in favor of a hierarchical structure where LGBT are put on top.
Is that correct?
That's correct.
And in our civil rights laws, like them or not, that were brought in in 1964, Lyndon Johnson, it established entitlements for special categories of people in the country.
And that's acceptable and understandable when it's dealing with things like skin color and immutable conditions.
But to grant entitlement and special status, minority status, on the basis of voluntary sexual conduct, That's a completely different cattle fish.
It's apples and oranges.
And that was the idea.
Same basic rights for everybody, but no special rights just because you define yourself by your same-sex attraction disorder.
Understood.
And I would add that since then, the transgender movement has taken that one step further because the transgender movement, as far as I can tell, and I've spoken about this quite a bit, transgenderism is nothing more than a state of mind that can be invoked or revoked by the person at any moment for any reason.
And it's a decision, and it has no rules and also no qualifications.
This is what gets me, is when corporations say we're going to hire transgender people, I'm like, everybody qualifies, because anybody can claim the status at any moment.
Well, it's the same thing with homosexuality, that there is no objective criteria for determining whether someone is homosexual, except the conduct that they voluntarily indulge in.
And what's really bizarre about this, Mike, is the cognitive dissonance in the whole population when it comes to these issues.
Because on the one hand, they're saying that so-called sexual orientation, which is a purely, and transgenderism, purely subjective self-declaration, That that somehow is an immutable status when at the same time they're saying that DNA-based binary sexuality is fluid and malleable.
They've got it exactly reversed and they're asserting these completely contradictory and convoluted ideas at the same time and no one ever calls them on it.
Well, that's the other thing is they've been able to leverage I don't know what to even call it.
Of course, I mean, they accuse anyone who criticizes this of being engaged in hate speech or some kind of discrimination or gender phobia or transphobia or gay phobia or whatever it is.
That the use of the accusation of hatred was actually...
The person that taught them how to do that was Justice Kennedy, Anthony Kennedy, at the Supreme Court.
When he...
When Amendment 2 passed in Colorado, it accomplished the goal of, you know, we won the culture war with that measure because it banned minority status based on sexual orientation.
And it was a slam dunk win that we would sweep the country with because the Supreme Court had already established you could only have minority status if you met three criteria.
a history of discrimination, which they could show some of that, that you had to have an immutable condition like skin color, and you had to be politically powerless.
And they failed on those last two.
But Kennedy just simply, out of fiat, on no constitutional basis whatsoever, declared that the people of Colorado had no legitimate state interest in that measure and just nullified it without any constitutional declared that the people of Colorado had no legitimate state interest in that And in the decision that he wrote, he basically said that it could be invalidated because it was motivated by hatred.
And essentially, he's telegraphing the left that in the future, anytime they want anything to be invalidated by the Supreme Court, that all they have to do is to claim that it's based on hatred, and it won't stand as a matter of law.
Well, of course, again, so many questions, but if you continue this spectrum, that one could argue it started with a lot of advocacy of a gay culture, but then even today, many gays do not agree with the transgenderism many gays do not agree with the transgenderism push on children.
So there's a group called Gays Against Groomers, for example, Yeah, but I don't believe them.
Look, Mike, this is one package.
This is a coalition of constituencies based upon different variations of the same perversion.
It all comes down to homosexuality, ultimately.
And the acronym LGBT, it isn't just a collection of so-called sexual minorities.
It is a sequence of stages for establishing sexual anarchy as a replacement to Judeo-Christian sexual morality in the culture.
And that not only that...
But it's a chronological sequence that started with lesbianism, because lesbianism was the easiest to sell as a form of sexual deviance.
Then male homosexuality, that's the G. And then bisexuality, which is really everything, including polyamory, because when someone declares that they're bisexual, It automatically involves three people, that individual and a person of both sexes.
Even if they choose only one direction, it implicitly validates all multiple partner sexual unions.
And then the last category, transgenderism, is the breakdown of the concept of male and female binary sexuality as established by God.
And the purpose of transgenderism is to create in the minds of the youth the idea that being created in God's image as male and female is mythology.
And then once that's accomplished...
The next step after that, hidden behind the transgenderism tea, is transhumanism.
And transgenderism is prepping and grooming the young people for the age of transhumanism when human identity will be completely transformed.
Wow.
Yeah, a lot to cover there.
But I want to back up and maybe challenge you on one point here.
But you correct me if you think I'm wrong about this.
And by the way, publicly, I want to invite somebody from Gays Against Groovers for an interview and ask them some of these questions because I want to hear from those folks, whoever they are.
But number one...
My understanding is that most gays are not into pedophilia, but then when you look at transgenderism, a whole lot of the transgenders are into pedophilia and child grooming.
Now, maybe that's just my perception, but you have a lot of drag queen story time stuff going on.
That's transgenderism.
It rolls right into pedophilia and child grooming, not even to mention transhumanism, which we'll ask later, but Do you agree with that perception?
Because I think there are plenty of gay people that are not child predators, right?
They're Right, right.
And I've always acknowledged that.
But at the same time, it's far more prevalent than most people realize.
For example, male homosexual culture has always been oriented toward pederasty.
Now, pederasty is a subcategory of pedophilia in which it's adult men and pubescent boys.
Okay, I've never heard that term.
Yeah, please define that term.
Yeah.
Pederasty is, you know, when you talk about the ancient Greeks, right?
You know, Greek love and all that.
That was the core of the Greek homosexual cultures.
Adult men and pubescent boys.
That's pederasty.
That was what was going on in the Catholic priest scandals, right?
It wasn't five-year-old boys.
Wow.
It was 12-year-old boys and 14-year-old boys.
And that's the pedestal.
It's always been sort of the core of gay male culture.
Lesbianism is kind of a different phenomenon.
Lesbianism is really sort of a collective retreat from the company of men.
Usually because of sexual abuse.
And male homosexuals also.
The primary cause of a homosexual orientation in adulthood is a homosexual molestation as a child or a teenager.
Wow.
And then the second most common category of the three causes is gender identity disorder in early childhood.
At the age of toddlerhood, you start to become aware that there's male and female.
And then you make the decision about what you are, mostly by looking at your parents.
And if for some reason you're a little boy and it's not safe to be like daddy because he beats his wife or something, then that orientation can switch and say, oh, I must be like mommy.
And at that point, there's nothing sexual about it then, only to get sexualized later, but it's gender identity disorder.
And it happens because it happens before speech.
Most of these people think they actually were born that way when it's really just a condition that they acquired very early in life.
And then the third category is basically rebellion against authority.
College lesbianism was the most famous example of that back in the 60s and 70s.
You mentioned born that way.
You're probably way more on top of this than I am, but my understanding was, I think back in the 90s or early 2000s, a lot of members, gay community people, they all claim we were born this way.
And then suddenly, a couple years ago, I heard, oh no, you can't say they're born this way.
That's discriminatory.
They're not born that way.
They're born some other way, and then they decided to be gay.
So am I losing my mind?
What happened when that got flipped?
This was political and legal strategy.
Up until Bowers v.
Hardwick in 1986, the homosexual movement was not claiming that homosexuals are born that way or it's an immutable condition.
They were trying to get constitutional protection under the just simply for the fact that it was a behavioral choice that they had as under the right to privacy.
They were pursuing the constitutional protection under the right to privacy, the 14th Amendment.
And Bowers versus Hardwick slammed the door on that.
It affirmed the right of states to regulate sexual conduct in the public interest, specifically homosexual sodomy.
And that and Byron White, a JFK appointee who wrote the majority opinion, he basically said to claim that homosexual sodomy is somehow implicit in the concept of order, liberty or or or part of the tradition of America is facetious liberty or or or part of the tradition of America is facetious His words.
And it slammed the door.
They immediately, in 1986, immediately they pivoted to a whole new strategy to find a second means for getting constitutional protection under the Equal Protection Clause.
And in order to do that, they had to have immutable status.
And so they began claiming, right?
Now, there had been claims that homosexuals are born that way going all the way back to the 1860s.
And Carl Heinrich Ulrich, one of his friends, actually coined the term homosexual in 1869.
And before that, they were just simply called sodomites.
But they invented the term homosexual to put it in the context of a medical condition for the purpose of gaining sympathy at all.
So it's not just a moral failure.
It's a medical condition.
But anyway, this has been going on for a long time, and that early 1860s, they were claiming that homosexuals were male souls trapped in female bodies.
Right, I remember hearing that a lot in years past, right.
Yeah.
But anyway, now, after they've basically won the culture war, Kennedy wrote all four of the majority opinions, the last one being Obergefell v.
Hodges, and creating so-called gay marriage out of nothing, no constitutional basis whatsoever.
I'm a constitutional law attorney myself.
I'm not practicing anymore, but I studied all this stuff.
I've filed motions and things in some of these cases.
But after they finished, after they defeated us on the gay marriage issue, then they moved immediately to transgenderism.
But at the same time, they also stopped pushing the born that way because they didn't need it anymore.
And now they're back to just saying that people should have the right to self-determination, especially children.
That's transhumanism is implicitly promoting pedophilia.
Because the core of the transgender campaign that they're running is self-determination and sexual matters for children.
And that, of course, the next step after that is open pedophilia.
So, yeah, this carrot of liberty and self-determination and freedom against rules, this is what Satan uses to market Luciferianism.
To say, well, you can be free, free from the rules of the Bible or God or the Ten Commandments or what have you.
Exactly.
That's right.
Satan is all is about bringing chaos from order and the LGBT agenda.
In fact, the LGBT agenda is the tip of the spear of the sexual revolution, which is the strategy, the satanic strategy for overthrowing Judeo-Christian civilization.
And that sexual anarchy is the goal of all that.
And that's where we practically are at that place right now.
There's still a core of normalcy, but it's shrinking rapidly.
And with each generation, with each year, more and more of the gray hairs die off, who have reality-based perceptions of sexuality and family.
They're being replaced by young people who have been indoctrinated from birth to With this bizarre perspective of sexual freedom that anything goes and no one can criticize you.
And if they do criticize you, then you can kill them or at least cancel them.
Right.
So I was recently covering the Calhoun experiments that were run in the late 1950s and 1960, written up in the Smithsonian and other medical journals.
And for those listeners not familiar, the Calhoun experiments were conducted on populations of mice and rats, and it provided a An environment for a group of mice that it was unlimited food, unlimited water, and essentially unlimited nesting locations, So unlimited housing.
So basically a welfare state for mice.
And then the mice began to reproduce.
And within just a few generations, the mice lost their ability to practice knowledge and to pass it down to their offspring.
And eventually the whole system collapsed.
But in the stage before collapse, they began to demonstrate transgenderism and pedophilia in mice.
So, and of course, Dr. Lively, I'm not saying that people are mice, obviously, but there's something, there's a lesson to be learned here.
And that is that transgenderism and pedophilia and in the mice populations, female mice were taking on the roles of male mice.
It is a sign of the collapse of a culture that can even be observed in simple animals.
It's amazing.
Yeah.
Well, the beginning of all this, you have to remember, the beginning of all of this is homosexuality.
That homosexuality is the...
is the foundation for the entire LGBT coalition.
Transgenderism is a secondary sort of symptom of the problem of sexual rebellion.
Sexual rebellion is defined, if you want to see in the scripture, when God was explaining to the Hebrews why he was sending them in to exterminate the Canaanites from the land, He explains it to them in Leviticus 18.
And it's a list of sexual perversions.
The list of things that caused the land to vomit out its inhabitants.
It's only when it gets down that list to the 22nd verse...
Where it says, a man shall not lie with a man as with a woman.
It's an abomination.
It's the first introduction of abomination in that list of sexual sins that rise to the level of sort of extinction, you know, culture.
And that once you break...
Away from, you know, what deviance is always measured by, and you know this as a scientist, deviance is basically measured against a model, right?
And the further you get from the model, the greater the deviance.
And that there's a line somewhere between the perfect model and something unacceptable where you can have some tolerance for flaws, right?
But then at a certain point, you cross a line when the flaws make the vessel unusable.
And that is explained in the Bible.
And that you see God accommodates in the Bible.
He accommodates things like polygamy, right?
Where a man will have two wives or something.
The model that he established is the one flesh paradigm.
Genesis 1.27 and 2.24 were created in God's image, male and female, two complementary halves of one whole.
And then 2.24, therefore shall a man leave his family, cleave unto his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
That one flesh is the model for, that's the foundation of all civilization, is the model for sexuality and family.
And that the forms of sexual deviance that are closest to it are things that are the least condemned by God.
And some of them are even accommodated in the Mosaic Code.
But then once you cross that line, then it becomes unacceptable.
And homosexuality is defined as an abomination.
The harshest word of condemnation in the scripture, tueva.
There's no other term in Hebrew that carries the same connotation.
And that it is so evil, it's so harmful to humanity, that the acceptance, not the practice of it, the practice of it is something between you and God, but the social acceptance of it by society is the harbinger of God's wrath.
For the flood, For Sodom and Gomorrah, for the last days, you know, Sodom and Gomorrah, just being incinerated by fire by God, was a warning about the last days' consequences when it would be like the days of Noah.
And the flood, according to the Hebrew rabbis from the study of their own language, the flood was actually triggered when they started writing wedding songs for homosexual and bestial marriages.
This is an enormously spiritually significant thing that most Christians just don't know much about.
I really like the fact that you're pointing out that the family of one mother, one father, sexual reproduction is the basis of human civilization.
And I think that's an...
That's right.
This is the one-flesh paradigm.
Right, right.
And I don't care who wants to argue with this.
Two men cannot have a baby.
End of story.
Two women cannot have a baby.
End of story.
And a former man or former woman who has had their reproductive organs surgically mutilated also cannot reproduce.
So there are so many segments of the LGBT community that are, by definition, they are...
Winning the Darwin Award, they might say, to use their own terminology, right?
They're removing themselves from the human gene pool.
But the problem is that at the same time as they're sort of destroying Judeo-Christian civilization, they are moving into the final phase.
Transhumanism is the final phase of the LGBT chronology.
Transhumanism is the perfection of eugenics.
And eugenics, you know, emerged, you know, a couple centuries ago.
It's actually Charles Darwin's nephew, Francis Galton, that actually established it as a formal science.
And it was all about...
Well, negative eugenics was about getting rid of the people you didn't want.
Positive eugenics was about creating people or improving people that you do want.
And transhumanism just takes it because of the advancement of technology.
Robotics, genetic engineering, artificial intelligence has has put eugenics on steroids to the point where they're the people that are that are pushing for it now.
They literally believe that if they can live for just another 30 years, they will live forever because technology will will will create essentially part human cyborgs that they can their consciousness can be uploaded into.
And then they can live forever in a in the in the new version of of human that's that's past homo sapien to something that they've created themselves.
It's insanity.
It's like the 1950s horror movies.
The mad scientists have gotten control of the entire planet and all the money, and they're driving toward this 90 miles an hour toward the cliff.
Well, I agree it's insanity, and...
I've been tracking this topic quite a lot.
I know, and I've admired you for doing that.
You're one of the few.
There definitely are some of us, but Everything that I've seen about their explanations of how they think they're going to upload their consciousness to machines and so on, it's fantasy.
But this is key, Dr.
Lively.
The point is that transgenderism is also a fantasy.
So it's someone pretending to be something they're not.
Now, whether or not society accepts that, that's their own fantasy, but it's not real.
But my point is that transhumanism is based on the same kind of fantasy thinking, but I'm seeing this permeating every sector of society, even economics.
For example, under Joe Biden, economics, the economic policies are fantasies that if we print money, we can make everybody wealthy.
Right.
It's well, you notice that in Second Thessalonians chapter two, it talks about the man of perdition, you know, the soon coming Antichrist kingdom is it.
The essence of it, the culture of it, is all based on lies and deception.
And that, you know, I'm 65 years old this month, and my whole life, I'm the last generation to have been born into a society of normalcy, right?
It was that the life that we see around us today is such a far departure from From the normalcy of my childhood.
And all of this has happened because of the turning away from the truth and embracing falsehoods, one right after the other after the other, to the point now where people are living in a state of delusion about what is real and what is not real.
It's surreal to watch it as someone who was born into a culture that...
I would say that a society that is married to delusion is eventually going to suffer the collapse of its structure, which I think we're beginning to experience.
But on the positive side of this, would you agree that this rampant global delusion cannot persist forever?
Well, true, it can't.
Well, I believe prophetically that we are close to the return of Christ.
But what has to happen before that is the Antichrist kingdom, where the kingdom of chaos is going to prevail.
And I think we're on the cusp of that right now.
I would love to be wrong.
I would love to see humanity overthrow the tyrants, you know, and reclaim possession of the earth and bring things back.
But, you know, I don't see it.
In fact, frankly, I don't see repentance even among Christians, you know, which is sort of the prerequisite for a real revival where that could happen.
No, at least mainstream church has lost its way on so many topics.
It's I mean, I saw there was a church that invited the drag queen storytime, transvestite or transgender, I don't know what they call themselves, but to come in.
Age of apostasy.
That's also warned about in scripture is the rise of apostasy, where you have now, and I believe one of my books is titled The Petros Prophecy.
And I contend that the heresy that the Apostle Peter warned about in 2 Peter 2 is gay theology.
And my book basically catalogs all of the most significant scriptures dealing with homosexuality from Genesis to Revelation and then show how 2 Peter 2 Its discussion of heresy can be talking about nothing else other than gay theology, which has infiltrated the church to an enormous degree.
Every time you see a rainbow flag flying on a Christian church, that building and that congregation has been conquered by the enemy, right?
That's what a conquering army does, the first thing they do.
They plant their flag on the territory that they've conquered.
And so the people who are living according to the philosophy that that flag represents are in direct defiance of God and promoting precisely the opposite of what the Bible tells us to do.
Right, and they claim it's about inclusiveness and tolerance, but then what we're seeing is they tolerate pedophilia, they tolerate grooming, they tolerate exploitation of children, among other things.
But I want to ask you this.
Club Q, this is the, I think it's a gay club or some kind of club in Colorado Springs.
There was a shooting there recently.
So, what's fascinating to me, to ask you this, because you're an attorney, a constitutional attorney, but did you see that the alleged shooter, who apparently knew some of the people there, I'm not sure of the whole backstory, but the attorneys for the alleged shooter...
Declared that that shooter considers himself to be binary, or what was it?
Non-binary.
Okay, I'm sorry.
Non-binary, they-them pronouns, and I wondered if...
Well, I'm sorry.
Allow me to finish this thought.
I'm sorry.
I'm a little bit confused, but this is all very confusing.
Then there was a transgender that came on CNN and said, well, I can tell that person's not a real transgender just by looking at them.
So how do you make sense of that?
Well, look, the Colorado shooting is another example of gay on gay violence.
Now, my most recent column, I do a weekly column on WorldNetDaily, and the column that just ran yesterday is titled, The War of Gog and Gagog.
And it's basically a play on words of a prophetic verse.
Yes, that's funny.
It's instantly funny.
But the subject matter isn't funny because it's talking about the systemic violence inside the LGBT community and that most of these incidents that we're seeing is actually gay-on-gay violence, very, very prevalent and very destructive.
And this is an example of it.
I believe that the person that did this is a non-binary.
I think it's a person that probably struggles himself with homosexuality.
May have been someone who was molested by a homosexual or is part of the community.
But this is so common.
You know, remember Matthew Shepard?
Yeah, right, right.
Matthew Shepard, the original, yeah.
He hung on the barbed wire fence.
Wyoming.
Right?
And the person whose death, whose murder was used as a justification for the federal hate crimes laws that we all have to live under now.
Well, and this Laramie Project project, All the school kids were indoctrinated with this story, right?
So Matthew Shepard, a decade after it happened, a homosexual journalist in a book called The Book of Matt comes out and admits and documents that Matthew Shepard was not killed by homophobes, quote-unquote.
He was killed by former gay sex partners in a drug deal gone bad.
And that's the case almost all the time.
Whenever you see one of these ultra-violent acts being done, it's almost always gay on gay violence, but that always gets covered up or it's treated as some sort of incidental thing that's not systemic.
There's a lot about I don't know, gay and lesbian couples.
I think even I've seen news stories about lesbian couples having a lot of domestic violence between them.
Yes, that It's notorious, yeah.
But it's throughout the whole culture.
When you engage in shameful behavior, there's a psychological phenomenon that you have to cope with of shame.
And out of that comes all kinds of things.
Addictions, drug addictions, and other compulsive behaviors, and violence.
And that's what happens.
A person who is living a lifestyle based upon the practice of homosexuality or transgenderism They know.
They're created in the image of God, right?
That the truth of God is written on their hearts.
And so when they are declaring themselves, when they're defining themselves by conduct that is directly defiant of God, they know it.
And internally, you can't live with that.
There's a kind of internal cognitive dissonance that you have to then deal with that spins off into all kinds of behavioral problems.
And, you know, that's just the way things are.
If we just live the way God told us how to live, we would have the healthiest, happiest possible lives.
You know, we would be...
We would marry somebody for life.
Our lives would be devoted.
We'd stay abstinence until we married.
We'd stay faithful in marriage.
We'd raise our children to give them the best possible life that they have.
We'd stay together on their behalf.
And the entire society would be a healthier, better place.
But every time we get off the path and pursue our own selfishness and desires of our flesh, and the more we justify that, then the more chaos we create in our lives and in all...
It just sort of like ripples on the pond.
And then when you got the whole pond now frothing with all of this dysfunctional behavior, it's not...
You know, it's no wonder that things are so bad.
There were many times...
Especially in the Old Testament where societies got off track and, you know, old school God, like full wrath of God came down.
Just like you said, Sodom and Gomorrah, but many other examples where societies were destroyed with many things, plagues, famine, you know, pandemics, as we would call it today, or what have you.
And, you know, food failures, cattle failures, all kinds of things.
From that, then, societies often would say, oh, we realize our mistakes.
We let God leave our lives, and now we have to beg for forgiveness.
And then God would often forgive them, and then things would be good for a while until they forget it again.
But if God, number one, do you think God is going to do something like this to our current society?
And then secondly, wouldn't the wrath of God, almost by definition, have to be a million times more severe than anything in the Old Testament, given the level of the abortion, the infanticide, the child mutilations?
I mean, this has gone awry at a scale that we've never seen before.
Well, but that's what the prophecies are about, is that we are already reaping the consequences.
We are already under judgment, but the judgment hasn't come to full power.
The end times judgment is the Antichrist's kingdom, where the Antichrist will basically rule over the world and With the greatest evil ever seen on the planet, right?
The mark of the beast and all that.
Do you think the Antichrist...
All those things...
I'm sorry to interrupt, but do you think the Antichrist has already been born?
Yeah, I think that the Antichrist is in the wings somewhere.
And, I mean, I think there are various candidates that I think are more likely than others.
But, yeah, I think the...
The degree of lawlessness that we're seeing right now is indicative of the last days.
It's like the days of Noah.
We're almost there.
The thoughts of people's heart is only evil continuously.
And that's true of a great, great many people.
Was it Yuval Harari or was it Klaus Schwab who said that...
Jesus is fake news, or was that the quote recently?
Yeah, that's Harari.
He's the closest figure.
In all my years as a Christian Bible student and a pastor, I have never seen anybody that fits the profile of the false prophet.
I mean, I really think he's the best candidate for the end times false prophet that there could be.
Because I believe secular humanism is the religion of the Antichrist.
It's not Islam.
It's not...
Because those are too obvious, right?
Demonic religions of the ancient world...
They were crude and obvious.
But over time, Satan perfected his religious system.
And secular humanism is the final perfection of it.
Because it's the common denominator of all the elites, right?
Whether they're Jews, whether they sit in a synagogue, or they sit in a church, or they sit in a mosque, or the New Age, or whatever.
The common denominator that all those individuals hold is secular humanism.
That's the real religion that they follow.
And none of them actually think of it as a religion.
And that's how powerful it is, of a form of deception it is.
But what does it say?
What is its doctrine?
That you, as a human being, are your own god.
That is the message.
Right.
That's right.
So there's a billion antichrists, you know, essentially people who have declared themselves to be God.
Jesus Christ isn't God.
You are God yourself.
And because you are God, you have the power and authority to recreate yourself, to create a better version of yourself.
You can do it better than God because you can create, or collectively together, we can create a form of human being that's superior to the form that God created, which is us.
That is the ultimate satanic Luciferian delusion that is driving the people that are in control of our world.
How much do you talk about mRNA injections and the transhumanism aspects of genetic chromosomal alterations?
Well, you know, and this is something, I'm going to mention this to you.
I have not talked with anybody about this.
It just came to me the other day.
One of my other books that's in progress is titled Dynasty of Darkness.
And the subtitle is Satan's Long Serpentine Trail Through Human History in the Role of Successive Antichrist.
And the imminent rise of his last day's kingdom.
The premise is this, that angels can appear as human beings, right?
And that's why you have to be nice to strangers, because you don't know if they're angels.
Demons can't take human form.
They have to possess a human being or an animal in order to be able to function in the world.
Satan is a created being.
It's just a demon.
He's the ultimate.
He's the king of the kingdom of demons.
But he can only be in one place at one time.
And he always wants to be in possession of some human being who has the greatest amount of power and money in order to be able to carry out his objectives.
There have been, therefore, from the beginning all the way since Cain, a long series of individuals who have been, quote unquote, antichrist.
The human being in possession of Satan.
The Satan entity is leaping from body to body over time throughout the ages, essentially. - Thank you.
Yes, yes.
That he'll stay in a host for as long as that host is useful to him, and then sometimes he will just leave it while the person is still alive.
And I believe that was the case, for example, with Goliath and Saul.
I think when David killed Goliath, who I believe was clearly an Antichrist figure, that Satan left the body of Goliath and went into the body of Saul, the king.
And I think there had been a lesser demon that had been possessing Saul prior to that, because whenever David would come into his presence and play the Lyra, then Saul would be placated, right?
The demon would be suppressed.
But after that incident, after Goliath was killed...
And what I believe happened is Satan went into Saul.
From that point on, that demon was too powerful for David to placate, and Saul started trying to kill David.
But anyway, here's the thing.
Implicit in all this sort of theory, hypothesis, is that the demons have to have some kind of a physical portal to be able to enter into the physical world through.
And that is described in Revelation chapter 2 as the seat of Satan, as the Pergamum altar in Pergamum, Turkey.
Interestingly, that altar was built by King Eumenes II, who was the patron and sponsor of Antiochus Epiphanes, who is the Antichrist of Daniel chapter 11.
The actual historical figure that put an abomination of desolation on the altar in the temple.
So this idea that the demons have to use some kind of a physical portal is...
It just came to mind the other day when I was thinking about these structures that are growing inside human bodies right now, right?
These nanostructures.
Could these structures be facilitating the invasion of human beings by demons?
That actually, that carrying within themselves, human beings are now carrying within themselves some kind of a physical structure that may be...
It's a portal to go from the spiritual world into the physical world.
Now, it's purely speculative, and I'm not claiming that this is true, but it would be the kind of thing, if this truly is a satanic plant by those who have been forcing this fake vaccine on us, then it's exactly the kind of thing that they would want to happen.
It doesn't mean that just because you have the structure in your body that you can be possessed.
I think there's a certain threshold of corruption that you have to demonstrate in your heart.
Your character has to be such that it invites demonic possession.
So I don't think a person, just because they have had the vaccine, that they're necessarily susceptible to demonic possession.
But if my hypothesis is true, then it may well be that these nanobot structures can facilitate the infiltration of that person by a demon.
You know, it's interesting.
I've talked with other guests about the observation of very dramatic personality changes among some people who take the vaccine, and Those personality changes always go in the direction of evil, for whatever reason.
Evil.
Right?
That would be a piece of evidence in support of my hypothesis.
I've never heard of anybody taking these shots and then becoming a better person.
That never happens.
Some of them become totally crazy, insane, angry, and also arrogant and dominant.
It is a satanic kind of attitude, if you will, that they have.
Like, we're going to dominate you and power over you and you should go off and die.
You know?
Human beings are susceptible to that kind of corruption anyway.
But that when they become, when they're Like I said, when they become optimal hosts for possession, then the chance that they're going to be possessed increases.
Like I said, it's purely speculative.
I understand.
You're asking some what-if thought experiment questions here, but it does add another layer of...
I mean, because I could talk about it from, let's say, a biological or chromosomal or genetic integrity standpoint, right?
Infertility.
And back to the family, the importance of being able to achieve sexual reproduction for the continuation of the human species.
And if you alter the chromosomes through these mRNA injections, or if you just have spike proteins circulating in the bodies of mothers while they're trying to carry a baby girl to term, and then that baby girl, as she's forming, is forming the and then that baby girl, as she's forming, is forming the eggs in her body, in her reproductive
So the grandchildren of the mother are in conception or gestation during this time while the mother is being injected with the mRNA genetic alteration in the spike proteins.
This is two generations down the road that may be affected right now.
I'm completely with you on the idea that this is a culling of humanity that they're engaging in.
And of course, all this goes back richly to Malthusianism.
Thomas Malthus had this idea that humanity was going to outstrip the food supply.
And he created a panic back in the 1600s with this idea.
And out of that came...
The invention of eugenics, because if you have to start deciding who's going to live and who's not going to live, and what kind of people you want, that's the germ of eugenics.
and the culling of humanity is Malthusianism given effect by eugenic theory and put on steroids, basically, with transhumanist technology. basically, with transhumanist technology.
And all that, it's coming together so fast, right before our eyes, Transhumanism has been the stuff of science fiction stories for maybe 30 years or so.
Right?
It's not absolutely brand new, but the science fiction has become real before our eyes.
And the things that they are able to do now with the technology, the things that they're admitting that they can do are scary enough.
But, you know, what are the things they're doing that they're not admitting?
Well, I want to remind our readers, and by the way, we're going to wrap this up in just a few minutes because I've held you longer than I should have.
I apologize.
But It's been fun.
No, I've had a great time.
Oh, absolutely.
Well, I'm not done.
I have a couple more questions.
But the website, folks, is scottlively.net.
And Dr.
Lively has a bookstore.
That's at scottlively.store.
And do you have the pink swastika there?
Is that one of them?
Yeah.
Several of my books are there.
But I'll just say, and I'm not money-oriented, that people who don't have the resources, everything I've written is available for free at scottlively.net in a video and PDF segments.
The bookstore only has basically the final finished product in printed form and e-book form.
But you can actually sample my writings just by going to scottlively.net, hovering over the button bar where it says Scott Lively Books, and you can look.
I do all my writing I basically put out there for free, and I only sell the print books in order to Recoup the cost.
Right, right.
Understood.
A lot of people like to have a book in their hands.
One of the questions I want to ask you, though, here in the last few minutes is, I find tracking this, so, for example, the rise of lesbianism, let's say, in the 1970s and 80s, it was very much pro-women, right?
And it talked about female power and females taking on the roles of males in society and that women, you know, I'm woman, hear me roar, and all these kinds of things.
But then, here we are now in the 2020s where This same movement, or at least elements of it, let's say, especially the transgender movement, is, of course, working to destroy the very definition of a woman, plus womanhood and motherhood and breastfeeding.
Now they call it chestfeeding.
So how could this movement turn on its own women?
Well, it's because every stage is a new batch of useful idiots.
And as soon as those useful idiots are no longer needed, as long as they move on to the next step of social engineering, then the previous group gets thrown under the bus.
And that's just the way it's always been.
In these Marxist countries, when the Marxists finally came to power, they killed all the people that got them there because they didn't want them to turn into rebels and overthrow them.
And that's sort of what they're, you know, you see that mentality at play in the way that feminists are being treated by the LGBT movement.
It's, you know, in one sense, you want to say, well, we told you so.
But on the other hand, you know, the impulse of my generation is, you know, I'm going to stand up and protect the women.
Even if they're radical feminists.
Right, right.
But again, you talked earlier about immutable properties of people, for example, such as skin color or even gender, I would say, is an immutable property.
You're born either a man or a woman.
That's immutable property.
But yet, it's physiology.
And it's also demonstrated in XX or XY chromosomes.
Because if I take a skin sample of anybody and I send it to a genetic lab and I say, you know, what gender or what sex is this?
Oh, well, here's the XY chromosome that's from a man, right?
I mean, you know, the FBI crime labs have to use this to determine whether they're looking for a man or a woman.
You know?
Yeah.
It's DNA-based physiology, and it's fixed.
It's fixed and unchangeable until the transhumanists get a little bit further down the road when the DNA code becomes hackable, like Harari says.
I mean, we have CRISPR and we have mRNA.
Yeah.
Yeah.
When they get to that point where they can actually create A different type of human being by artificial intelligence-assisted genetic manipulation, then all the things that we're talking about as being self-evident truths and all that, those will then be moot.
And just sort of the final point that I'd like to make in this is this is exactly what was prophesied right at the beginning of Genesis, right?
That Adam and Eve, they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
And they became aware.
But then God banished them from the garden so they wouldn't then next go and get control of the tree of life and become immortal, right?
That is exactly what we're seeing at play here.
The promise of Satan...
To humanity was, you will be like gods if you follow me.
And because we have followed him, or so many people have, we've reached the place where we can now take possession of the tree of life itself and become immortal, at least in our fantasies.
But it's close enough to reality to be plausible to people who are willing to think that way, like Harari.
Right.
But I would say when they unleash these AI nanobot genetic alteration systems in their own bodies, they're going to become monsters, not gods.
Right, right.
And that's the thing, because the fantasy is a utopian perfection of society, right?
What they think that they're going to accomplish is the millennial kingdom, right?
But the Bible just describes the millennial kingdom in Isaiah chapter 11 and other places.
What they're actually going to accomplish is they're going to unleash hell on earth, right?
With every kind of monstrosity and that all the people that put their trust in satanic delusion are going to be tortured and murdered by the devil himself who wants to rob, kill, and destroy.
That's his whole purpose.
Wow.
So I guess one final thought is today we see a lot of so-called gender-fluid people, including many in the Biden administration, for example, one of whom just got arrested for stealing somebody's luggage.
That's going to be interesting.
I laughed out loud.
I was at the airport when I read that story.
I laughed out loud.
People were looking at me.
Yeah, right.
It's like, really?
You have to steal people's luggage?
Excuse me, I'm coughing up here.
So right now, they try to outpicture A look that many people would describe as demonic.
Like, they look like demons and they try to make themselves look like that on the outside, but it takes a lot of effort.
It takes a lot of body piercings or tattoos or even sometimes surgical manifestations, alterations of facial structures, but with...
Yeah, horns and things.
Yeah, horns, right.
But with genetics...
Yeah, I saw that guy.
Oh my.
Yeah.
But with genetics and AI and nanobots and so on, they could literally alter, perhaps soon, in the very near future, could alter their genetic makeup and attempt to turn themselves genetically into, I don't know, like lizard people or whatever.
I mean, or tigers or whatever they think they want to be.
Giant walking bipedal armadillos, you know?
But the worst thing of all is that people who have that mentality are completely unstable.
They can't be trusted, and there's no limit to what they will do in that mentality.
They are possessed by demons.
In order to do some of the things that they're doing, they have to be possessed.
So why wouldn't you want to put them in charge of all the nuclear waste in America?
Because I think that's what that one person is in charge of.
Yeah, true.
That's right.
He was in charge.
If you couldn't write a Hollywood script like this, they'd reject it for impossibility.
Now, this is crazier than the X-Men comics or the Fantastic Four.
They went to outer space and got hit by cosmic rays and turned into giant hulking monsters.
They're like, wow, that sounds like 2024.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, you know, in all of this, we just have to remember that this world is not our home.
That the God who created all of this is in charge.
That all this is happening by His permissive will.
And that He has a plan that is going to work out to our good, even through...
The very difficult times that I think are approaching very rapidly.
Well, for certain, it won't be boring.
Well, Dr.
Lively, I want to thank you for taking the time to speak so frankly with us and to just share your thoughts here.
And I want to encourage people listening to think about these issues.
Chime in.
You can post comments beneath this video.
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Just give Scott Lively credit at his website, scottlively.net, and join the discussion.
Can I just add as a final disclaimer to any haters out there?
You, as I understand it, and certainly this is my position, we're not calling for any discrimination against anybody.
We just don't want special status for people based on things that they made up in their minds.
I have a genuine love for people who struggle with same-sex attraction disorder, transgender issues, all these things.
You know, back when I was with Oregon Citizens Alliance and I was being attacked as a monster and a Nazi, My wife and I had taken in a homosexual man who was dying of AIDS into our home with our four boys.
And we actually met him when we were looking for a house.
And we actually picked a house that he could have his own quarters.
He had his own daylight basement.
Sonny Weaver was his name.
And we took care of him for the last year of his life.
And that's my heart for people who struggle with these kinds of things.
I don't want harm to come to them.
I don't want to take revenge against them.
They have persecuted me beyond just about anything that's ever been done to anybody in America on this issue.
I mean, I would stack up what I've had to go through with anybody in the US. Not like, you know, in Muslim countries or something, but And yet I hold no animosity in my heart toward them.
Even right now, Lord Jesus, please heal them.
Please heal them.
Restore them to a right mind.
Let them have the life that you designed for them to have.
Break them free from the satanic clutches that dragging them into this self-destructive way of thinking it.
The self-hatred that they're engaged in.
To do the kinds of things that they're doing with their bodies.
Just think what kind of self-hatred and self-loathing you have to have to turn away from the knowledge that you're created in God's image as a beautiful thing, just the way he made you.
And instead, you have to transform yourself into something that is a caricature of yourself, where you're hurting yourself in the process of doing it.
You may be speaking about furries.
There's furries, and there's also these weird gay dog obedience things.
They role-play dogs, apparently.
We're at the point now where sexual anarchy can take...
If you can imagine it...
You can create some kind of sexual sort of deviance out of it.
Right, right.
You can imagine there's probably a group doing that already.
You just need to find them.
Well, no, it's crazy.
I see stories of people having sex with cars in the parking lot, you know, things like that.
And I'm thinking, okay, that's clearly mentally ill.
But today it would just be called another form of gender, you know?
Like Volkswagen Fluid Ferry or something.
I mean, you can make it up, right?
There are no rules.
You couldn't make this stuff up.
And to think, when I got started in this 30 years ago, I didn't believe that we would ever get to this level.
I thought we would turn it around.
You know, I got involved at the height of the Reagan Revolution, right?
When it really looked hopeful that we were going to be able to claw the country back, restore the Constitutional Republic.
But then as soon as Reagan was out and H.W. Bush got in there, Then they started unraveling everything that Reagan had done, and it never stopped.
And we've had nothing but corrupt administrations ever since.
Although I do like Trump.
I think he's sort of an Old Testament judge-type figure.
Flaws, but he stalled the process.
He gave us a window of reprieve, but I think that window of reprieve has closed now.
And, and we're, we're, it's going to happen fast now.
It's going to happen very fast, because there's nothing to stop them now.
The red tsunami failed.
And all we've got is a tiny little beachhead in the House of Representatives.
That's not enough to stop the agenda.
And we didn't knock any of the worst of the tyrants out of power.
So they're all there with all the power that they had before.
In fact, more power, because they've proven that we can't overthrow them.
And now they've got...
And the two-year reprieve that we had after Trump sort of lasted.
I think we lost the republic on January 6th.
That was the end.
That was the end of America, the Constitutional Republic, and the beginning of a Marxist dictatorship.
But the infrastructure of a Constitutional Republic was still largely intact.
And now that's been dismantled.
Now it's going to...
Now they're going to...
The wrecking balls are coming out and they're going to be running 24 hours a day to destroy it.
I don't think...
I can't see anything that is going to stop it from happening.
And so the escalation of trouble and tribulation that we're going to be facing as Americans and globally, while the entire global economy crashes and the great collapse so they can bring in the great reset, I think all that stuff now is going to happen very quickly.
And, you know, hold on to your hats, folks, you know.
Hold tight to your family and your faith and just pray that the Lord will get you through what's going to be extraordinarily difficult.
I pray for that every day, and I believe that...
Jesus shows us a way.
I believe that we will make it through this.
Some of us, right?
Obviously not all of humanity, not even the majority perhaps, but those who maintain faith and also work in partnership with God's plan for us.
That is, don't just sit back and say, oh, he's going to come save us and we don't have to do anything.
No, we work in partnership.
We are the employees of God's vision for us.
At least that's my belief.
And that's why we have to be active every single day.
And I think we will make it through.
But that's my final thought.
But your final thoughts, Dr.
Lively, as we wrap this up?
Well, my final thought is God bless you, Mike, for what you're doing.
You know, it's really an exemplary use of a human life, the stuff that you have devoted yourself to.
And it's been a great pleasure to finally meet you on this show and be able to have a conversation together.
And God bless you in everything you do.
Well, God bless you too, Dr.
Lively.
And I really appreciate you joining me and spending the time here.
This has been truly fascinating, intriguing.
I can't wait to see the comments on this.
But bottom line, folks, if you lose the family, you lose human civilization.
And there's no debating that.
That's end of story.
That's right.
All right.
Come back from...
Okay, God bless you, Mike.
Bye now.
Thank you.
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