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Sept. 26, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Illuminati researcher Leo Zagami lays out the transhumanism plan for the END of humanity
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Welcome, folks, on this historic day of the election in Italy, and with so much history unfolding in real time, some of it quite horrifying in Europe, we have joining us an extraordinary guest.
This is my first interview with him, at least on my own show.
I've spoken with him before on Infowars.com, and he is an author, a prolific author and researcher.
He's the author of a new book called Confessions of an Illuminati, Volume 7.
From the occult roots of the Great Reset to the populist roots of the Great Reject.
His name is Leo Zagami, and his website is leozagami.com.
You've probably heard some of his interviews or seen some of his books, and now he joins us.
Mr.
Zagami, it's an honor to have you on.
Thank you for taking time to join me this evening.
Thank you for having me on, Mike, in this, like you said, historical day.
Definitely for Italy, it's a historical day.
They have changed after many years of wishy-washy technical governments.
That's how they call them now, to a government which apparently is the will of the people.
But we will, of course, discuss also behind the scenes what's really happening in Italy and in Europe.
Yeah, let's actually start with Giorgia Maloney, who I believe is declared the winner.
I think that's the status of the election.
Yes.
The media, of course, hates her, and so does the EU. Well, but let's go to the...
Because, of course, here you're talking with somebody who has, I guess, heated and digested politics since a very early age.
My grandfather was marching in Rome a hundred years ago with Mussolini and later on became...
He became senator for the Monarchic Party, then later the Social Democratic Party, and also later on in life, of course, had many problems himself.
Then I went into politics, and I also experienced politics in 2013.
I was candidate with Berlusconi for the parliament.
In Italy and I was attempting some kind of civil unrest with the Pitchforks revolution that took place also that year after the elections were a complete failure and they were completely manipulated from within.
When it comes to this election, of course, for those who see Italy from the outside, it would seem like an incredible victory that will align Italy with Orban or with Vox in Spain and so on.
The problem is that...
The Italian center-right coalition is not really that kind of force, because you have also Berlusconi involved with it, with a guy called Tajani, who used to be in the European Parliament.
They are very strongly European.
Giorgia Meloni is actually herself a member of the Aspen Institute.
So she has a couple of skeletons in the closet.
You see, I know Georgia from a very young age.
You have to understand that my mother and my brother are both co-founders of the Fratelli d'Italia political party that has won the elections.
So the founders are around 400 people in the whole of Italy.
And my brother went to school with the head of the Fratelli d'Italia, Francesco Lollobrigida.
So I grown up with these people.
Yeah, you know them better than anybody.
Well, and I know that I'm sorry to say what I said to my mother today.
My mother went to vote early this morning, and she knows exactly what I said to the two.
I mean, these are people who hang out with Meloni and with Loro Bridge on a very personal and private basis.
So my brother is basically his best friend with the head of the Fratelli d'Italia party.
So I can say for sure one thing, that nothing will change and that Italy is unfortunately destined to the abyss.
It's destined to a very bad place.
No matter who wins, Italy is not in charge of anything.
Let's not forget the words that von der Leyen said a couple of days ago.
Let's not forget the words that were said also by Biden.
When he was finishing up or whatever meeting, he was having that useless organization called the United Nations.
And so the truth here is this.
Of course...
They have kept in a cage, oppressed the Italians for two years.
They have oppressed them worse than North Koreans.
People like my brother to go out, he needed to have a dog so he could go out and have a walk around the building where he's living.
My mother needed to write down where she was going when she was going out of the house.
These are crazy things.
These are things that are like, I mean...
My personal advice to everybody in Italy, and I have a very popular show in Italy called Lesule, and I also participate every now and then to La Zanzara, which is Italy's most known radio show, is don't go and vote, because this is a criminal act.
Participating to a criminal act is not a great thing.
You see, Italy is, for me, the fruit of trickery.
You see, you have to know the history of Italy.
Italy as a republic was born on the 2nd of June, 1946.
And it was the OSS, under the control of the Democratic Party, that kicked out the monarchy and placed this mafiosi Presidential BS that we have nowadays.
And no matter who wins, it's always the president of Italy who is not elected, who will decide for the future of Meloni and company.
Now, a lot of people in the UK, for example, were very disappointed by Boris Johnson.
Boris ran on, you know, so many freedoms and conservative type of values and so on, and then betrayed the people, especially during COVID. It became another kind of prison camp, perhaps not as bad as what you just described in Italy, being that Northern Italy was, you know, where COVID was reputed to first hit Europe, or at least Western Europe.
So, are you saying that Giorgia Maloney is going, that she won't have the power, that she's a puppet, that she's kind of the Italian equivalent of a rhino, as we say in the USA? Of course, those who really know the right wing in Italy, like I know, and know very well the history of Giorgia Maloney, where she comes from.
She comes from Fuan, from the young...
The youth movement within what was known as Movimento Sociale Italiano.
The mentor of Giorgia Meloni was my school teacher, elementary school teacher, Giovanni Battista, who was a colleague with Giorgia Melonte, founder of the Movimento Sociale.
These are people I know way too well.
So I know way too well, like I said to Amada today, the things are not going to change.
In October, gas prices are going to go over.
The crisis is yet to start because they have kept the prices down until now in Italy, knowing very well That they can't afford now all these price cuts when it comes to gasoline and all the rest because of what Russia is doing.
We are in front of a crisis that demands real politicians that don't exist anymore in Europe.
When I was growing up, and I grew up with my grandfather, I grew up with politicians like Giulio Andreotti, which I met personally.
These people might have been the biggest crooks in the history of crookery because they were heading the P2, they were heading Gladio.
But Gladio, let's not forget, was anti-communist to the core.
And it was just as anti-communist as the John Birch Society, but even more because we had the weapons and we had the structure that had to come into place if the communists will eventually take power.
Now, the moment in which...
The Soviet Union ended in December 1991.
That was really a sad moment for a lot of people, and it was the beginning of the end, because that's the moment in which America started to really get twisted in this belief that communism has ended.
No, communism had just started, and they took over the universities at the end of the 60s, they kept their control, and in the early 90s, win!
The Soviet Union was finished.
It wasn't really finished.
It was, of course, finished for Russia to have this big empire.
And, of course, there was Yeltsin who was drunk and all that.
And then, of course, Putin in the second half of the 90s came in and picked up the situation, being a guy who, of course, was in charge of the FSB. Prior to that, he had his experience in the KGB. The way that the West tried to colonize Russia didn't work out.
But at the same time, they got in debt with Russia.
It's like this big gasoline pump with nukes.
I mean, it's not like you can ever defeat Russia.
The country which has the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world.
The most energy.
Now, I have been lucky enough to go in Russia 30 or 40 times in my life, maybe more.
I worked with the Ministry of Culture in Russia, did a lot of interesting things.
And so I was lucky enough to see what happened in Russia from the very early days of the end of the Soviet Union till now.
And I saw how Europe...
Felt basically in debt in every aspect of their economy with Russia.
So the moment in which Russia cuts their gas, cuts their oil, that's it for Europe.
Let me ask you more along that very point right there.
Not only for Italy, but let's talk about Germany, which appears to be suffering...
Or heading for, I don't know, suicidal annihilation without energy?
But let's see what happened to Angela Merkel.
She just retired before the problem starts, leaving another agent of Stasi, because that's what they are, these people.
These people were...
Literally working for the Soviet Union, both Angela Merkel and Scholz.
So these people are traitors to start with.
The whole of Germany is full of traitors because when the biggest, I think, error was that when you unified the two Germans, they didn't adopt the same techniques they adopted immediately after the takeover of the Allied territory.
That means controlling every single person that was involved with STAS intelligence and not using them for their own advantage, but actually taking them out of the sea completely.
Instead, that's not what has happened.
So...
Germany is, you know, we have taken in Germany, but Germany, half of it, is a bunch of people who was actually under the control of Vladimir Putin.
Let's not forget, he was in charge, basically, of the Stasi as the head of the KGB in Eastern Germany.
He was the one in charge.
He was in Dresda when the wall fell down.
So that's where his revenge comes from.
Mr.
Zagami, what you were saying about Germany and Putin, it brings up a very important question.
I've heard that Vladimir Putin has some fondness for the German people.
I don't know if that's true or not, but tactically, is it difficult, you think, for Russia to turn off the gas to Germany and watch the suffering unfold, or is it just a necessary part of war?
What do you think is the philosophy behind that?
The philosophy is to make Europe overly dependent, starting from Germany, because Germany was also the closest ally that Russia could have.
Just before the line went down, I was talking about the fact that both Angela Merkel, that has now retired, and Scholz have been both working for Stasi, which was the most...
Fierce and terrible secret police that ever existed on the face of the earth.
And you can't transform millions of people who acted as spies for their neighbor in good people the day after the fall of the war.
I mean, the big error here of America was to move the CIA operations from Rome To Germany.
The headquarters for the CA in Europe was moved from Rome, where it was traditionally there from the end of the Second World War, to Germany, thinking that Germany suddenly was made up of people that you could trust.
I mean, I don't know who are the people in charge of Langley, but there is a lot of idiots.
And even before they became woke, they were already...
Quite idiotic, especially when they stop also financing anti-communist activities in Europe, because stopping anti-communist activities in Europe meant that basically Europe was taken over.
And was taken over on one side with, of course, the dossier Mitrokhin, I don't know if you ever heard about it, that surfaced in Italy, showed how, for example, the Italian Communist Party was financed by the Soviet Union for many years.
But the Italian Communist Party of yesterday is the Italian Democrat Party of today.
Then you have people like Matteo Salvini, who tried in every way possible to get money with Le Pen from Russia to finance his Northern League in a moment of very bad economic crisis.
And so then we had all that scandal that erupted also with that recording of the Metropole Hotel made by some collaborators of Matteo Salvini that then forced in a way the end of the first government in which Salvini was a participant.
You have to understand that today in Italy there is an illusion of change.
An illusion of change that unfortunately is not going to go anywhere because Italy is no longer the nation that prints their own Right.
So they don't, it's like, you know, they don't have any say in anything they do.
If tomorrow morning, von der Leyen says, okay, you have Georgia Meloni, can you tell her to do this?
She's not going to do this?
Okay, I'm going to do this.
And that means spread, means economical turmoil.
And of course now they don't want to, after two years of oppression, show the Italians that we're going to have another government imposed by the EU technocrats.
But at the same time they have chosen this option that can Let's see what's going to happen, but nothing revolutionary.
I mean, it's all part of an illusion of democracy.
There is no such thing as democracy.
Well, then, let me ask you, and this kind of gets into your book, too.
Is the Great Reset, is it on schedule from the point of view of the globalists?
And then, specifically, you talk about, in your book, the occult roots.
Can you talk about the rise of demonism or demonic...
It's not a question only of demonic.
You have to understand that there's some proper political concrete things.
They were talking about the League of the Just, where Karl Marx published his manifesto, was founded by a professor who was in turn a disciple of Adam Weishaupt.
I talk about concrete things.
When it comes down to the esoteric and the demonic side, we can leave that, of course, to the more esoterically inclined parts of the New World Order, which exist, which I discuss.
Of course, we have all the followers of Aleister Crowley.
We have, of course, the people who have helped In molding this machine that is this Hollywood infernal propaganda machine, which itself is aiding the future rise of the Antichrist.
Because that is what is happening here.
People think Hollywood was born out of just, you know, a nice idea one morning.
No, it was born over 100 years ago with Edward G. Griffith and the Freemasons with Babylon.
With reconstructing Babylon for the movie intolerance and leaving that construction as the basis for the new Babylon.
People don't know that Alistair Crowley called, for example, the people of Hollywood debauchery.
People full of debauchery, imagine if Crowley said that, and saying that there were a bunch of cocaine addicts, but he himself chose Hollywood for the first ever Gnostic Mass that he himself had written in Moscow.
During his own visit in Russia.
So people, of course, don't know all the links, the occult links of Hollywood.
They have a naive idea or somehow also they have a mythological idea.
And at the same time, we have a lot of people who write books regarding hypothetical Hollywood Illuminati without really knowing anything about anything.
So I wanted to instead change all this.
That's why in a month or two I'm bringing out a new book in which I will show finally who is behind Hollywood.
On one side, the military-industrial complex.
On the other, the Satanists, the Freemasons, but people with names, surnames, organizations, money spent, offices, not just theories, hypothetical.
I hate this conspiracy-minded situation in which then the people, unfortunately, have fallen for idiotic things like QAnon, which was complete rubbish constructed to absorb the descent of people.
Stay at home on your couch, eat popcorn and watch the people being arrested.
That is rubbish.
But the truth is actually even more demonic.
I mean, people think about the rise of the Antichrist or something, you know, but this is something that also is connected with the Great Reset.
When in 1974, Klaus Schwab invited Bishop Camara, the Red Bishop from Brazil, to attend the Davos Conference, that was a serious thing, because the guy in 1965, in December 1965, was in the catacombs in Rome.
Doing a black mass and passing a 13-point Marxist pact known as the Pact of the Catacombs, which of course is all those people who have given birth later on to liberation theology and all the nonsense from South America that in turn brought us to Pope Francis.
There is here facts, hard facts, evidence, and we need to expose it, and we need to make people understand that we are close to an unthinkable moment in history, which Pierre Teilhard de Cardin, the Jesuit which, of course, inspires Pope Francis, called as the Omega Point, the point of cyber-Satan, the artificial intelligence taking over in 2035.
Okay, yeah.
I want to ask you about that anyway.
You talk about cyber Satan, the rise of AI, which gets into everything transhumanism, but also genocide of the human population and the global elitist thinking that they can transform themselves into machines.
Number one, do you think that the globalists actually believe that they can achieve that?
And secondly, are they on track to do that or can they be stopped?
The elite has always wanted to achieve immortality.
That has been said within the secret society of the Western initiatic system, not only the West, but in particular in the Western initiatic system.
The fact that they have always been chasing for this immortal Elixir of some kind.
They wanted to find immortality.
That was really the key of a lot of also alchemical kind of stories, allegories that were put out there.
In reality, the technology that they have now can actually project them.
Into this immortality phase by transposing the content of their own brain onto an external source, and then that external source becomes immortal.
And it's a little bit like in the movie Transcendence that we saw with Johnny Depp.
I mean, that is the concept.
But isn't that just...
I mean, it's just a digital virtual avatar replicant.
It's not the real person.
You know, a person is their mind, body, and soul.
And if the soul doesn't...
Yes, but CyberSatan doesn't care about the soul.
Right, but then these people are destroying themselves, but replicating...
They don't care about their soul.
I repeat, they have sold their soul, so they don't care about it.
Yeah, but what's the point of having an avatar in a virtual realm and the avatar pretends to be you?
Well, actually, the upload of your conscience will have to be done in a way that you die in this level of existence.
So you are uploading completely yourself.
It's not just simple transposing into algorithms of yourself.
Yeah, but it sounds like a suicide cult.
Well, I mean, but that's what they are.
They haven't really ideas that enrich humanity and help humanity.
We're talking here about the dark side of humanity, which is this satanic elite that is participating in what the Christians call the end times, in which they will receive everybody marked of the beast.
Probably they will go and get it at the Apple store or whatnot.
But in 10 years from now, We are basically facing that kind of confrontation, and so we are really close to the final confrontation, and that means that also we have around the corner, of course, the return or the arrival, depending on the points of view.
If you are Jewish, the arrival of the Messiah, the return of the Messiah, but there is, of course, also a messianic legacy in all this, and it's going to manifest.
Now, your book title begins with the phrase, Confessions of an Illuminati.
Are you saying that you were once part of the Illuminati?
Of course, my books talk about it in detail.
There is an academy also of the Illuminati founded in 2002 by Giuliano Di Bernardo, who used to be the Grand Master of the Grand Orient of Italy.
In 1999, we founded also before that a branch of the Illuminati within the Monte Carlo Lodge.
And if you just go on the Wikipedia of Prince Aliado di Monte Reale, who is the guy who initiated in 1993, it says that very clearly he was an initiate of the Illuminati of the New World Order, which was a specific group that exists since the time of Adam Bishop.
The order in itself changed names.
That was one of the things that Bishop said, also because the order of the Illuminati of Adam Bishop already suffered serious problems in the 1780s, so they had to eventually change names.
Their new modality of using the secret societies to infiltrate mostly Freemasonry, because that was the most established, even if it's not a secret society, a society definitely with secrets, with a variety of rights and so on.
The actual idea of Adam Bishop That really was a revolution in all this was that he really brought to the next level communism.
Communism, which was an experiment that the Jesuits had taken to South America in this Reducciones.
They had experimented all this.
The Jesuits were regarded as a danger because of this by the monarchies of the world, which were mainly in Europe at that time, the ones that You have to understand that the big problem here is that from that moment, the Order Illuminatorum, Bishop, persecuted every single absolute monarchy, ending with the desire of Russia.
And we are still suffering the consequences for all this.
America is the only republic that we can call republic, which actually, because it was built from scratch, It's with no compromises.
Every form of democracy called the republic in other parts of the world is a scam.
And constitutional monarchies, like the English one, are the biggest scam, because those are the ones who collaborated with the Illuminati to stay together and to not be defeated.
Because at one point, Bishop said to his followers, if those monarchs don't join our ideology, you simply destroy them.
So let me ask you this.
Obviously, we're going to have to spend more time talking about a lot of these issues.
And I should probably read your new book, too.
It sounds like I need to catch up on a lot of this.
But what about the transition from secrecy to out in the open?
So today we have the World Economic Forum and Klaus Schwab and so on.
And they're no longer even pretending to be hidden in the shadows.
This is all out in the open.
They've got Well, that's why I talk very much about the history that led to the World Economic Forum, the passes through the Club of Rome, the passes through a number of lodges, also in Austria, in Switzerland, and in Germany.
There are specific lodges that were, of course, in the hands of the Illuminati from the time of Asia, stayed in the hands of his followers.
But why do they make it public now?
Because nowadays, you see, the idea changed approximately over 100 years ago, let's say with Rhodes, with the idea of think tanks started to become popular.
Think tanks gave a new way Also because there was no need anymore of the theatrics, and gradually the theatrics disappeared until you arrived to the Bilderberg Club, the Club of Rome, or the World Economic Forum that are kind of a shred of all those theatrics that Masonic or Paramasonic or Pseudomasonic groups had until then.
Celci Rhodes was the guy who really gave birth to the idea of the think tank.
And the think tank, of course, we know from that moment onwards how this idea developed, but even Ceci Rose was inspired by Adam Weishaupt.
And so we are talking about a society in which nowadays the new elite Which basically has substituted the old monarchies, the bourgeois, because all this happened also, remember, after the French Revolution, there was a complete change.
So the change was for constitutional monarchies or republics, and then later on the Club of Rome It inspired Klaus Schwab, but the Club of Rome was a creation supported by the Rockefellers, and it was a very important creation, the Club of Rome.
We have to understand that the Club of Rome maybe is even more important behind the scenes than the World Economic Forum, because it's the Club of Rome that created that study with the MIT that then was followed by the World Economic Forum in the early 70s to lay down the future of humanity.
There was these first studies, it was called World 1 to World 3, of artificial intelligence, in which was laid out the foundation of the future.
Because in this artificial intelligence future, you can find nowadays, actually, there's an excellent documentary that was put on YouTube, I think, a couple of years ago.
And you can still find this documentary from the 70s in which you can see the importance of the Club of Rome and the research with the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in the future then of what happened later on because in 1973, 1972 it was the Club of Rome and Aurelio Pecce who really took over the show at the World Economic Forum.
So Humor me on this.
I'm having some difficulty translating what you're saying into the practical timeline.
It's very complex, first of all, to put all this...
I mean, I write books that are 500 pages to actually do a show.
I mean, you're asking me, impossible.
Yeah.
Yes, but I mean, for the sake of our audience, can we give some kind of practical translation of what this means for, let's say, you know, is the Great Reset?
Is it on track?
Does humanity have a chance?
Can we still defeat these evil forces?
Or are we all doomed?
You know, big picture type of practical assessments.
Okay, let's make a pyramid.
Let's make the top of the pyramid of the people in church, which are the Jesuits and the Sabbatean Francists.
Now, the Jesuits are the company of Jesus, which was founded nearly 500 years ago by Ignacio Loyola and became the army, the military intelligence of the Vatican, still in charge to this day.
And for the first time now, they also have a Pope.
Sabbatean Francists, Sabbateans, born from Shabbat Izevi.
Later on, this is an heresy within Judaism.
It became then the economical branch of this whole situation, because Zabati and Frankis in turn worked behind the scenes also with secret societies that merged with the Illuminati.
There was this particular one called the Asian Brotherhood, which was actually operating in Germany.
So it's a very complex history.
I mean, that's why we say the Illuminati, and it's a very generalistic term, because then you have a bunch of secret societies also out of Freemasonry, not only within Freemasonry.
And then you have the knighthoods.
I mean, this is...
You see, I've published hundreds and hundreds of pages of research on these topics, because when you say Illuminati, you're talking about somebody who is really smart.
If you think that the people within the secret society are idiots, well, then it's just changed.
If you think that they act in the simplistic ways that some people portray on the internet, well, that's a bit too simplistic.
Okay.
I was in Freemasonry from 1993.
I achieved various degrees in various rights.
I was also in various secret societies as part of the Illuminati network.
I was also head of an Illuminati branch, so I had direct experience on all the rituals and so and so and what not.
But the rituals are not that important when it comes down to the geopolitical side of things.
And that's why what you said earlier when you were saying, why are they coming out in the open now?
Well, nowadays they come out in the open simply because nobody can stop them.
And also because they are searching for legitimacy.
They are starting to show who they really are.
And they're finding some, too.
I mean, they're finding a lot of followers who...
to be part of this, I don't know, annihilation of humanity, anti-human agenda.
Unfortunately, there is people who have, you know, who prefer to have other kinds of values in life.
Right.
Anti-values.
Or materialistic values.
They are lost into matter.
You know, when you go to the people in Hollywood and you see them living in luxury, or the people who follow them, which are all the idiots who follow the Kardashians.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, people nowadays think it's cool to be that way.
I don't understand that.
It's just pointless and empty.
I don't know.
The thing is this.
It's a very compartmentalized structure, but the secret societies operate under the Sabbatian Frankists and the Jesuits, and each one have a series of secret societies.
Some of them involve in geopolitics, some involved with the occult.
In volume one of my confessions, I describe the topology and how each of these branches using actually an internal document.
Of the Illuminati, which was never published before, and I suggest you go and read, because it describes you exactly how these secret societies operate in each branch of society.
And so there is very different modalities when it comes down to secret society, because it depends on the purpose.
What is the purpose of a secret society?
Is it a political purpose?
Is it a religious purpose?
So there is various purposes, no?
And then you have, for example, the occult and the magic side of it.
People don't know, for example, that the ancient and accepted Scottish writer was born in basically in the islands where they were practicing voodoo.
I mean, people think that basically the age that said the Scottish Rite was born in Charleston, and then you have the Supreme Council.
They don't know anything about the real history behind the scenes, which is connected with some pretty spooky stuff.
Okay, let me...
Let me switch gears and ask you something else from your website, you know, in the time we have remaining here.
Then you have also three masons who are people who have helped America.
George Washington was himself an example.
But let's not forget that George Washington wasn't around anymore when the ancient and ancient Scottish Rite took over.
The people like George Washington and the others who founded these nations, they were connected to the strict Templar observance and the most Christian forms of Freemasonry, which gradually were dismantled and the occult ones took over.
These days, of course, The whole of Freemasonry here is corrupt.
I don't even go to the lodges here in California.
They are anti-Trumpian.
They are occultists, full of devil worshippers.
It's crazy.
I mean, it's not anything to do with the father founders of these nations who were serious Freemasons who had other values.
Because there is good values.
I feel like I need a giant wall map taken from your books that's kind of the overall hierarchy of the structures so that when you're talking, I can see which section you're talking about.
Well, I'll tell you one thing.
When it comes down to, you know, you are, of course, you talked a lot about the COVID virus coming from Wuhan.
Well, the communist virus comes from the lodges of the Illuminati and all their variants included.
So...
Okay.
All right.
Fair enough.
Now, let me read a headline from your website.
And folks, the website is leozagami.com.
And you published quite a few articles there, as well as links to your other content.
Here's a title, quote, Europe will soon become a nuclear wasteland as the woke West will be crushed for the arrival of the Antichrist.
And, you know, very intriguing headline.
Can you kind of summarize what you're saying there, what that article is about?
I think you summarized it yourself when you read it.
I mean, the walk West here.
I mean, you're talking about the walk West, that inside the army, the problem is what sexuality they have.
Or if you have to be recruited at Langley, they ask you what sexuality...
I mean, this is rubbish.
You are destroying America.
This is, unfortunately, the problem here.
And that's why I came to America.
The people say, why did you come to California?
Because I am studying the virus, and the virus comes from this state, and it needs to be healed here.
The biggest virus is the woke communist virus that has unfortunately ruined America, comes from California.
It's here.
The Frankfurt School arrived from Germany into America, but the damages have been done here, and that's why we need to heal California before we can heal the rest of America.
And if you don't insist in ignoring the healing of California, this virus is never going to be healed.
What do you mean by Europe will become a nuclear wasteland?
Are you talking about in the aftermath of the current conflict?
You see, Europe is already...
You were saying if we were in line with the Great Reset, and we are completely in line with the Great Reset.
So to do this Great Reset, you need to, of course, impoverish everyone, take all their property, And also diminish eventually the possibility for people to react in any way possible.
Now, Europe has a conflict at the moment, as we know, that was triggered In a way, by both parts, we can say, but mostly it's been triggered by Europe.
We go back to what we said at the beginning of the show.
In the 90s, Russia was somehow defeated.
And now that they have the money that we have given them, After decades of giving them all this money of oil and gas and all that, now they feel confident enough, also because there is a shift in this new world order.
The new world order used to be American, is now going to become Sino-Russian, and it's going to be the Sino-Russian alliance that will eventually develop the cyber-Satan.
Oh, wow, okay.
That's a key component of all of this.
It's going to come out of China and Russia.
And it's, of course, there is here only one possibility that we have to save the situation, and like we said before, is eventually the return of Jesus.
In that case, on the contrary of China, maybe Russia has those antidotes and those elements that could help, thanks to their Orthodox Church.
Because the Orthodox Church is definitely something that has been revamped after the fall of the Soviet Union, and it's very followed, and it's also very much in line with the belief that they want to refuse the mark of the beast.
You see, in the Russian Federation, it would be very difficult to micro-ship the population.
They might be sending them to war, they might be doing whatever.
Putin can declare war to half of the planet.
But when it came down to actually the digital idea and all that, there was some serious internal confrontation that went on 10 years ago.
And so there is a difference here between China and Russia.
However, having said that, these two nations are unfortunately allied also due to their common communist past.
And what about the fall of the West?
In your view, will that happen through financial means or cultural means, kinetic means?
What will that look like?
The fall of the West will start in Europe because Europe, unfortunately, is very close to probably seeing the detonation of the first nuke.
But it's not going to be then any reaction from the West.
You think the West will react to Russia, even if they nuke Ukraine?
With words, maybe, but not with facts.
Trust me.
They don't have any courage.
The people in charge here in Langley or in the Pentagon are a bunch of sissy ladies.
You can't have a level of society.
I mean, they have ruined American society, and they have managed to ruin it at a level which is unthinkable.
Seeing what I'm seeing here in America every day, I'm just puzzled.
Yeah, but you're also in California, which might be the most extreme examples of...
Well, but remember that these are the people who want to take control of the rest of America.
So if you don't stop them, they will.
Because unfortunately, with Silicon Valley on their side, that's where the cyber Satan has their main...
So it's very difficult to say how it's going to end up, but I can say one thing.
Yes, we have the midterm elections.
Yes, we have the next presidential elections, but these are going to be the last elections.
And that's it.
Then you're going to see what's going to happen next, and that's probably going to be the separation of the United States of America.
And that will be a healthy thing eventually without a war.
But unfortunately, there might even be the possibility of a civil war.
But definitely we are...
Viewing an America that is ever so divided, and it's very difficult to say if they can carry on living together when you don't think the same way.
Especially when you see these new generations, the millennials, they're completely brainwashed left, right and center.
Well, right.
And for the rest of us who still have values and sanity, we don't know how we can coexist with the other half that are child mutilators.
That's what I said in my book, Volume 7.
I said, maybe it's about time to start thinking about constructing our own communities out of the big cities, because we know that the big cities are a lost cause.
They have been all taken over by the left.
See, everything in my book, I explain how smart is simply a code for Satan.
So smartphone is Satan's phone.
Smart house is Satan.
Smart cities.
Smart cities.
All Satan.
Yeah, that's a really great observation.
You're exactly right, because smart means connected through a surveillance technocratic control system, which is cyber-Satan, as you say, or will be.
So, one last question.
So, China leads the West in AI research by far, many, many years.
But the Chinese West have been in China for 500 years.
Maybe you should study their history.
I wrote a lot about it in Volume 4 of my Confessions.
Okay, all right.
So the point is that once AI systems, at least this is what is said by mainstream scientists, once an AI system reaches a singularity or a critical tipping point of consciousness, whoever reaches that first...
The Omega point, basically, of Pierre Teilhard de Carden, which, let's not forget, was a Jesuit who wired, which is, as you know, talks about technology, calls the father of the Internet.
So the father of the Internet is a Jesuit called Pierre Teilhard de Carden.
You know what movies Pierre Teilhard de Carden inspired?
Two movies.
I'll give you the titles.
One is The Exorcist, and the other one is 2001 Space Odyssey.
Really?
The Exorcist, you can even find a little image of Fr.
Pieter de Carden in the office of the priest.
And there is a Jesuit acting for the first time In a movie.
And the character who does the exorcism is based on Father Pierre Teilhard de Cardin.
And that is one thing.
But then, after C. Clarke, based the whole of the 2001 Space Odyssey on the work of Pierre Teilhard de Cardin regarding the Omega Point.
Then, is the Antichrist a digital entity?
The Antichrist will be aided by the digital cyber-Satan, but it will be a physical man.
I see.
Okay, well, all kinds of fun to look forward to.
Like I say in my latest book, which is about to come out, but also in Volume 7, we need to understand that these are parts of what we have already We studied and at the same time followed also thanks to our religious belief.
As Christians, we don't need to be worried.
We simply need to be prepared.
That is the important thing, to be prepared, have the heart at the right place, and be ready for, of course, seeing One of the most incredible episodes in the history of mankind.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And we have front row seats.
Well, Leo Zagami, I can't thank you enough for joining me and for tolerating all of my questions here.
No, no.
I wish we had more time.
It's very difficult for me to concentrate.
I tend to sometimes divagate or So it's very difficult to concentrate all this for our listeners.
The important thing that they have to understand is that between here and 2030, we are basically deciding the future of mankind.
Yeah, indeed.
And being prepared for all of this, I think, is key to our survival.
And folks, check out Leo Zagami's book.
It's called, again, Confessions of an Illuminati, Volume 7.
It's available everywhere.
And also, the website is Leo Zagami.
That's Z-A-G-A-M-I, LeoZagami.com.
And Mr.
Zagami, thank you for your time, and I hope to get a chance to talk with you again as things...
Well, you see, Europe, of course, for me, I have my family, Europe.
It's very bad to see what's happening.
But it's pretty clear to me that after this annexation through this poll that they are conducting, there is, of course, a possibility that a nuke will be detonated.
And definitely...
Gas also will be used to blackmail Europe this winter, much more than in the last few months.
And we're going to see basically Europe being transformed in a war zone.
And that's definitely a sign of the end times.
Okay.
Yes, indeed.
All right.
All right.
Well, we'll have to pick this up next time.
But thank you for spending this time with us this evening.
It's been fascinating.
Thank you very much, Mike, and God bless America, my new country, that I hope will, at least there is people here in this country that will be able to lay down the foundations for what is next.
And at the end of Volume 7, I make a very clear statement.
Remember, this is a republic on which we stand with an expiry date.
That expiry date is the return of our Lord Jesus Christ, because our Lord Jesus Christ will never, never, ever talk about Elections.
It's a monarchy.
Great point.
Great point.
Okay.
You know, we tend to laugh when we see the Queen of England dying and all this palaver with all these things.
But remember, the monarchies are a reflection of the Kingdom of God, not the Republic.
Interesting.
Yeah, I never thought about it that way, but that's a good point.
Well, the Father Founders knew it very well.
That's why in God we trust and not in the devil.
Okay.
All right.
Well said.
Have a great night.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
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