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Sept. 24, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Michael Yon tells Mike Adams that Western Europe is DESTROYING itself with "green" energy policies
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Welcome to the interview today, folks.
I am joined by Michael Jan.
This is the first time we're getting a chance to talk with Michael Jan.
He's been known as a kind of a war correspondent, but he's an analyst.
He's been through Germany, much of Europe.
He's been through South America.
He's been at the border of the U.S. He's tracking migrant flows out of the Middle East and into Western Europe and so on.
Very informed individual.
He understands what's going on with food and fertilizer and all of that.
I can't believe we didn't talk before, but Michael, thank you, sir.
Thank you for joining me.
It's an honor to have you on.
It's a great honor to come on your show, and I'm very happy that you have, because like I said, about half of my Readers, listen to you.
Everybody's saying, why don't you go on Mike Adams?
We're making it work.
Yeah, here we are.
Now we are.
I've been in Europe this time for about three months.
I was down in Mexico three months ago tracking the migrant flows, watching them come across into Texas and that sort of thing.
Then I saw how the Dutch farmers were getting very riled up So I jumped on the airplane and flew to Netherlands.
And so for the last three months, I've been in Netherlands and also in Germany and Luxembourg, Belgium.
I just got back from Hungary and Austria and Germany again.
Just rolled in here to Amsterdam because I got to meet up with Jordan Peterson.
I'm about to spend two days with him.
Recently, I was on Jordan Peterson's show and we did about two hours talking about food and fertilizer and energy, something I've heard you talk about with great accuracy.
And so after I talked about that with Jordan on his show for a couple of hours, it kind of lit a fire and he wants to spend a couple days with me here.
So that's why I just rolled in and he's flying in and I'm going to take him out to see some farmers and that sort of thing.
Very cool.
The big story of our entire lifetimes, or many generations at least, would be the energy supply right now because the energy issue is a kill shot.
As you know, nitrogen-based fertilizers are largely created using the Haber-Bosch process, which you've talked about before.
In fact, I was just over at the BASF plant I've been there twice in the last couple of months, but BASF is a huge chemical company.
And they started making nitrogen-based fertilizers in roughly 1914.
I think they started their first plant there, and it was doing like, I don't know, 200 pounds an hour or something.
I don't recall.
But it was based on Fritz Haber.
He wrote a book on thermodynamics in 1905 describing certain chemical processes wherein he could make ammonia, right?
So Fritz Haber, who later got the Nobel Prize, I think in 1918 for this, but he developed the original process.
And then Karl Bosch, also a German chemist, was then hired by BASF, and Bosch took it corporate, right?
So they could actually make large amounts of the fertilizer, and that's why it's called the Haber-Bosch process.
And so this Haber-Bosch process...
Well, let me interject.
For background, for those listening, this process that you're describing, Michael, feeds about 4 billion people.
So without this process, half the planet would starve, literally.
And that this uses hydrocarbons, the actual hydrogen that's in the ammonia molecule, NH3. The H comes from natural gas.
Okay, I just want to provide that background.
Oh, yeah.
And so the Haber-Bosch process is like...
The Suez and the Panama Canal times 10.
Yeah, exactly.
This is on the criticality to the population on Earth.
Most of us would not be here without the Haber-Bosch process.
And so if that process, if the process of creating nitrogen-based fertilizers is seriously interrupted, then we're going to see massive famines, which is something I've been warning about since January of 2020.
So this is more than two and a half years later.
I've been warning about it practically every day since January 2020.
That's amazing.
You and I must have been some of the very first people to be sounding the alarm on this because I remember, I think it was in late 2020 that I was on InfoWars and I did a whole show on this.
And a lot of people were like, what are you talking about?
Why are you talking about harbor and fertilizer?
I'm like, people, this is coming.
Because let me offer something else.
I'll turn it back over to you, Michael.
But the harbor process requires, I think, 200 atmospheres of pressure.
And you have to pull nitrogen out of the atmosphere.
So you have to have a massive facility to do this under intense pressure and intense heat.
all the hardware that goes along with that.
And you have to use a lot of electricity to run that plant in order to strip, you know, the nitrogen out of the air and in order to strip hydrogen off of the hydrocarbons.
So when Germany doesn't have both natural gas and affordable electricity, you can't run this process, period.
Am I right?
Oh, yeah.
That's why I'm here.
I mean, I was just over at the BASF plant, which was the original, you know, plant that started.
That thing's 10 square miles, Mike.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
When you go in there, it's like, you know, futuristic horror movie.
So I went right by the original plant from 1914.
I think it actually started in 1913, but they started producing in 14 or 15.
Not that that matters, but that's still there, actually.
And so I asked, as you know, Nord Stream 1 is cut off right now, and Nord Stream, you know, that feeds BASF. And there's 26 plants that create this ammonia-based fertilizer around Europe, and they're all either shut down now or mostly shut down.
My guess, and it's very difficult to find accurate numbers on this, so part of this is Kentucky windage, but about 70% of it appears to be cut off.
But this is a guess.
It's an educated guess, but it is a guess.
Well, and whatever they're running on right now is stored natural gas that is not getting replenished.
So there's really no plan Mike, they're not going to.
They're not going to.
I mean, you can see the writing on the wall.
I mean, you clearly see things way ahead of most people.
Your headlights are quite bright, you know?
And I just drove from Budapest up through Austria and then all the way across Germany to get here, right?
So it just took two days.
And you wouldn't believe how much forest is being cut down.
It's like...
So much for green.
I mean, in the shadow of all these, you know, monstrous windmills, a lot of them are not even turning.
They're cutting down massive amounts of German forests to stay warm this winter.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
For firewood.
Yep, yep.
Oh, wow.
Now, you speak German, too, don't you?
You speak German.
What's up, Mike?
I just did an interview down in Austria that was only in German.
And the reason I speak German is because I was a Green Beret and I went to a language school for it in California.
And then I lived in Germany four years and lived in Poland for two years.
So I picked up a lot of German in the process.
So when I went to Austria, they asked me if I would do an interview, which I just did about maybe five days ago, and it went viral by Austrian standards.
And, you know, because a lot of the Austrians didn't realize it was happening, but they realized something was wrong.
They knew something, but nobody had put together the Haber-Bosch, you know, all the different things, all these, like basically...
You know, there's Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2, which is basically the two arteries in your neck, you know?
And Nord Stream 2, of course, has never been opened.
And Nord Stream 1 is now completely off, right?
And so, in addition to that, Germany is just making things worse.
It's like Germany's committing suicide.
I mean, Germany continues to provoke Russia like by nationalizing one of their refineries a couple of days ago, which there's no oil for it anyway.
But but it's just all these there's all these moves that Germany is making and the United States that are going to put Europe into a very cold winter.
And I mean, people I mean, like I would bet money that a lot of people are going to freeze to death in Germany this year.
And as you know, when Germany is the powerhouse for the EU, 26 countries in the EU, which will almost certainly fall apart.
I would say I'm going to guess next year that the EU will collapse.
Right.
Because, you know, for instance, Italy is already some of the More crass economists call them the pigs' nations, Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain, pigs, because they're the lowest fruit on the EU resiliency scale.
And Germany, and especially Germany, but also France has been keeping them afloat.
But meanwhile, Germany is cutting its own threat on the energy.
Nord Stream 1 is closed, of course.
Russia did it, but Germany provoked it.
Because Germany wants...
I mean, Russia wants to sell that gas.
Russia has encouraged Germany many times to open Nord Stream 2.
And the United States has told Germany not to do it and that sort of thing.
But of course, Trump warned years ago, as you're well aware, if you basically put your neck into Russia's noose sooner or later, they're going to own you, right?
But anyway, long story short, natural gas, obviously there's not enough.
So Germany's draining its tanks right now, its stores.
And meanwhile, Germany has said they're going to close their three remaining nuclear plants, right?
And now a lot of people say, no, no, Germany then said they're going to keep them open again.
That's true, but then Germany again after that said, no, we're going to close those, and we're going to keep two of them on hot standby, which means they...
Continue to use energy to stay hot standby, but they're not going to produce any, right?
And meanwhile, they're cutting down the forest all over Germany, Poland, Romania.
They're cutting down these forests in huge...
I'm seeing log trucks all over the roads and just forest-cleared hills as I just drove all the way across Germany.
Germany is being denuded of its forest.
I'm really curious what it would look like from a satellite when I just saw that from the Autobahn for two days, right?
Well, I'm sure the greenies must be thrilled that we're not burning coal and natural gas and that people are chopping down for us instead, right?
I mean, obviously that's very green.
Yeah, they're going to have to hug the trees before they throw them in the fireplace now because they're being chopped down.
Let me bring something else in here that you're just talking about.
So Germany, as of yesterday, Germany is now nationalizing Their natural gas utility company called Uniper.
And the government of Germany is pumping $8 billion into it, which is on top of €15 billion, which is roughly equivalent to the dollar right now, folks, if you're wondering what that equals.
So that's $23 billion going into this natural gas company just to prevent it from having kind of like a Lehman-style collapse, like a too-big-to-fail collapse.
But the question is...
Who else does the German government have to bail out?
And how much money can...
I mean, how many euros can Germany just come up with?
Because they have to essentially take them out of the entire European Union system.
So isn't there a limit, Michael, to how many games they can play with this before the music stops?
Oh, the music is definitely stopping now.
In fact, I would say we're in about the last two months of good times in Europe for at least a generation, if not more.
I mean, they're literally de-industrializing at this point because, you know, you can print money and that sort of thing and you can nationalize and you can do all these sorts of things.
But at the end of the day, it's going to get cold and they're not going to have the physical energy.
And then next year, they're not going to have the physical food that it requires to feed people.
I mean, so they're going to literally, they'll probably run out of energy and roughly, they won't actually run out, but they'll really get into dire circumstances, certainly by February or January, right at the peak of, you know, when winter is really getting serious.
And then as we go into next year, they're just not going to have the fertilizer.
And so we're looking at famine.
You know, I keep telling people white people famine.
And the reason I say white people famine is I want to make it crystal clear.
We're talking about starving to death.
We're not talking about food crisis.
We're not talking about high prices.
We're talking about dead, right?
And there's just not going to be enough food, period.
And one of the things that you get from famines for those, I would suggest everybody read right now at least five books on famine.
I won't tell you which ones.
That way I'm not loading the deck.
But once you read four or five, six books on famine, you'll start to see a lot of patterns, right?
You said previously Red Famine was one.
Red Famine's a good one.
Another one is, well, I just said I wouldn't recommend it.
No, but I did.
I said it for you.
Red Famine.
Red Famine's a good one.
I read three on the Irish.
I've read about 20 on famine.
And I've read about 60 on pandemic and hundreds on war.
Of course, as a war correspondent and spending years in wars.
But, you know, three things that go together.
The triangle of death.
Pandemic, famine, war.
Pan for war.
That's like the triangle of death.
And then there's a tent pole in that that would make it a pyramid, and that's hot.
Human osmotic pressure, the push and pull of migration.
So that's why I'm out here tracking migrants all over the place, that human osmotic pressure, the push and the pull, and I'm tracking the food and the energy and the pandemic issues because pandemic, famine, war, they go together...
I was doing one interview about a year and a half ago or two years, and one of my longtime readers, a lady, told me afterwards, she said, you know, you talk about pandemic famine war as if you made that up.
I said, I did.
And she goes, no, it's right in the Bible.
And she said, you know, think about it.
The Four Horsemen.
I was like, you know what?
Source amnesia.
That's probably where I got it from when I was a kid because it's clearly in the Bible.
And they knew about it 2,000 years ago and were already setting it down.
And so if you get a big pandemic or you get a big famine or you get a big war, you'll always get the other two.
And you'll always get that push and pull of migration.
So this is really critical.
And I know you talk about this a lot, but a lot of our audience, this may be the first time they're hearing that.
So I want to dig a little deeper into this concept.
What you're saying, if I can paraphrase, is that if you get one of these, you're going to get the other two.
So, you know, we started with this worldwide pandemic, and then that caused a lot of industrial shutdowns and lockdowns and so on.
And then the whole economic sanctions against Russia and so on, causing famine stemming from this war, which is also an economic war.
You're saying all these three things go together, and you talked about human osmotic pressure, which means basically people fleeing regions for different reasons, maybe fleeing war or fleeing famine, correct?
That's right, or fleeing pandemic.
You know, when you really study pandemic, and I would also recommend everybody read at least five or ten books on pandemic, you'll start to see a lot of patterns, and you'll start to see why I stayed way back from taking any experimental drugs.
Because having read five dozen books on pandemic, 40 before this pandemic, and about 20 during, I just see it.
The pattern's clear.
Something happens, they rush these things out, and people die, right?
And so, I mean, it's just a very clear...
I don't need to follow the science.
Science is in the rearview mirror.
Science is when you're looking at the body.
Science is forensic.
You know, that's studying why the building collapsed, right?
History is headlights.
Reading history constantly and voraciously, something I learned in the military is read history constantly because it really does rhyme heavily.
And you can see that when you get a big pandemic, even if it's a pandemic, that's why I started warning in January 2020.
And Bannon called me up back then and he goes, hey, do you think this is a real pandemic?
And I'm like, well, I'm not a virologist, but I am wearing a mask.
I was in Hong Kong at the time until they kicked me out.
But of course, then later on, we figured out that the mask thing was a sham itself.
But the bottom line is...
When I saw that I thought that it probably was a pandemic, I started warning people, stock up on food.
And I can't tell you why, because I don't have any specifics.
I just know that these things go together, you know?
And just like I know after it rains, the rabbits come out and I go rabbit hunting.
And so I started stocking up more heavily in January 2020.
And then as time went on, then you start to see the other pattern where they're literally cutting down our energy supplies.
And it's clear that this is a systematic attack on our systems, right?
It's clear that we're going to go into the most epic famines that have ever been seen in human history.
It's all about conditions.
Amateurs are always asking, what will the spark be?
And I'm like, it's not about sparks.
It's all about conditions.
If you have a firework factory blow up in a rainforest, it doesn't matter.
It'll just go out.
Mother Nature will put it out.
But if you have somebody throw out a cigarette in a dry forest, well, you can burn down half the state.
So it's all about conditions.
Now, talking about conditions, and this is one of the reasons that famines lead to pandemic.
Let's say you have 50 million people that are malnourished.
In this case, it'll probably be more like in the billions.
Then you have a population-sized AIDS where people are malnourished and their immune systems are compromised.
They're eating things they don't normally eat.
Usually, in the first few months, you'll have what they call famine fevers.
We'll pop up like typhus and I'm tracking typhus.
I see more and more typhus cases already popping up in my alerts and you'll start getting relapsing fevers and that sort of thing.
And then you'll start getting more waterborne illnesses like cholera because people are drinking bad water and that sort of thing.
But so one of the often...
Well, typically in famines, more people die from disease than they actually die from starvation, right?
Because by the time you're weakened enough to actually starve to death, you're probably going to die from something else, like tuberculosis, right?
Something else is going to knock you down.
One of those, you know, Monty Python, I'm not dead yet, you know?
And so...
And so, you know, so typically most people don't starve to death.
They might, a lot will, but then you'll start to spread the pandemic and then also different pandemics will take hold, right?
And then this hop, the human osmotic pressure, causes people to move to other places and to carry diseases or pick up diseases in other places.
So there's a reason why all these things go together.
And there's really interesting aspects about famine that people can benefit from reading their own books about this and in quiet and thinking about what they're seeing and what they're hearing.
For instance, you'll realize that actually hunger can create famine, which may sound kind of crazy.
Hunger can create famine.
You might say, well, famine creates hunger.
But actually, it's interesting.
For instance, when people are very hungry, often they're hungry because they just don't have the money to buy food, right?
And maybe there's hyperinflation because of the economy, you know, Weimar Germany type thing, right?
And so people start stealing, right?
So they start stealing food from the stores and the warehouses, the trucks and the boats and the trains.
And then the stores and the warehouses stop stocking the food.
People start robbing the farmers.
And now the farmers stop growing or they go bankrupt.
And governments, in every case, in all 20 or so books I've read on famine, the government always takes from the farmers in every single case.
Yeah, I want to come back to that, but go ahead and finish your thought.
Oh, and so, yeah, to finish that, then once people start, you know, well, that inhibits the distribution of food and inhibits the production.
And therefore, you'll start to see that, you know, you can get that first part of the famine is actually just a lot of people hungry.
People start moving around, human osmotic pressure.
Often they're not in their homes, by the way.
That's a pattern.
You'll see more people on the streets because they're hungry.
And then as they steal more and more, there's less food to steal because there's less produced and less is moving.
And then they actually go into actually profound famine.
And now you start getting these whatever sort of pandemics take hold and huge migrations and that sort of thing.
So, yeah, it's very interesting.
There's real dynamics that if you study these things enough, you'll start to be able to anticipate what's likely to happen and be ready for it.
This is what I want to ask you.
So, about price controls and rationing, and then government confiscation, and typically the criminalization of so-called hoarding, which is just people who are planning ahead.
So, can you talk about those things?
Again, price controls, rationing, government confiscation, and, quote, hoarding.
Hoarding.
Yeah, go straight to hoarding because there was a German show on television two days or yesterday maybe.
And this German news lady, she had a cart.
You know how big American grocery carts are, but the European ones are often like one-third that size.
So she's got this one-third size, what we would call a micro cart, like halfway filled.
And she's like...
I have enough food here for 10 days.
And she's like, what could lead to such hoarding?
I'm like, 10 days?
Are you kidding?
In the Army, we carry that much in a rucksack.
And batteries and ammo.
Maybe not 10 days, but you know what I mean.
But the bottom line is hoarding.
Now, when the governments start to get into dire straits, they always do price controls and they always fail.
In every case, you can do price controls that will work as long as your economy underneath it is strong.
Right.
But when your economy is collapsing, like Weimar, Germany, or happens all the time around the world, then the price controls like Panama is doing right now with almost 100 items.
Eventually it will collapse and fail.
Right.
And so but then they the governments always start robbing from the farmers and then the farmers stop producing.
So it exacerbates the problem.
And the government will always accuse people of hoarding, right?
So they'll actually, like Stalin said in 32, 33, and the whole lot more in Ukraine, he's like, go take it from the neighbors.
They're hoarding.
The farmers are hoarding it.
Look for people that have smoke coming out of their chimneys at night.
Follow them.
Find where they have hidden it in the woods.
Paying the neighbors like a third or whatever of the food that they can help find.
And Mao, of course, was a student of Stalin.
Mao did the same thing.
And there's a great book on that called Mao's Great Famine.
One of the things you see in famines too, which is kind of strange, Is fires.
You'll see a lot of fires and famines.
Like in the book Red Famine, you'll see a lot of fires in there.
And Mao's Great Famine, they describe thousands of fires.
And you see a lot of fires happening in the United States now.
You're talking about fires at food facilities in particular, correct?
That's right.
Yeah, food facilities.
And one of the reasons that...
I mean, there's different theories on why there's so many fires, but one is the people that work at the food facilities may be stealing food or that just comes up short and they don't want to get hanged for it.
So they, you know, let's say you and I run a food facility and we got to feed our family and our village.
So one night we take a ton.
There's 100 tons there.
But to...
We'd cover it up.
We'd burn the other 99 tons, right?
And so there's this, some of it's just covering for criminality, and some of it's, well, is it criminality when you're starving to death?
You know what I'm saying?
Well, I mean, the burning down food, though, that other people could benefit from.
Yeah, that's criminality.
That's straight-up criminality.
Now, one of the things that's interesting, too, is I've noticed two major types of famines.
It's like the hunger venture that happened right where I'm sitting now in in Netherlands.
It happened in 1944 and 45.
And that's when the Nazis rolled in.
It was a very cold winter and the Nazis started hitting the resistance.
They were hitting their food storage and their distribution ability.
So basically you had people that had enough, not a lot of food because there was a war going on, but they weren't starving to death.
The Dutch were resisting, so the Nazis interrupted their food supplies.
So they went into that sudden famine.
I call that a light switch famine because there's no language for this, so I have to make it up.
So I call that a light switch famine.
So you had enough food to eat, and then next week, hey, where's our food?
The Nazis cut it off, right?
So you went from fed to unfed, nearly instantly.
And then that went on for about six months.
The United States was parachuting in food.
Some of our planes were getting shot down and stuff, but our guys were trying hard.
And the Swedish were trying to get food to the Dutch.
Not as much success, but they were trying hard.
And then finally, Market Garden and our grandparents came in and kicked the Nazis out and started feeding the Dutch.
So it sort of switched on and switched off.
It lasted for roughly seven months, and it was quite terrible, but it came on and came off.
But most of the famines that you see, they're more gradual.
They have a slow flash to bang, which is the kind that we're going into now, where people who are perceptive or who know what to watch for can say, hey, there's a famine coming.
It might not even hit us for two years, right?
But you can see the conditions building for it.
You can see All the things lining up.
And then, you know, here come the locusts.
You know, then you have the normal additive pressures.
It can be hurricanes.
It can be droughts.
And then, you know, finally, you slowly go into this famine.
That's what we're going into now.
Most famines that I've read of only last for about two years.
But a lot of them can last 10 years or more.
And the way this one is building would be a lot more than two years, Mike.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, because that's exactly what I wanted to ask you.
So what we're seeing now is a de-industrialization of the infrastructure that provides the inputs to farming.
So, you know, not only fertilizer, like what we've talked about in nitrogen, but think about petroleum, diesel fuel.
Diesel engine oil, additives, parts for agricultural equipment.
So the supply chain for parts for tractors, devastated, right?
A lot of that, microchips coming out of Taiwan and China and so on, can't get them.
And a lot of these modern farming implements and tractors, especially tractors, I own a couple of John Deere tractors, but I only buy old ones built in the 1970s.
The newer ones, They have all these microchips and software updates and permissions, like it has to talk to the John Deere server to make sure you've paid your loan payment before you can start the tractor, that kind of crap.
You don't even own the tractor.
You have to have permission to start it, right?
So all of those factors are coming into play as well.
So this is going to be, I think, the biggest global phenomenon.
Food production collapse since the beginning of modern mechanized agriculture, I would say.
I'd say since the beginning of ever.
I mean, in all of my studies of war and famines and pandemic, I haven't seen anything that would even come close to this.
I mean, this is going to require a new chapter in the Bible.
A new chapter?
Revelations Part 2.
I'm serious.
I talked to some of my friends.
You know Chuck Holton?
You know Chuck?
I don't know Chuck.
Did you say you know Chuck?
No, I don't.
Oh, he listens to you sometimes.
He's a serious war correspondent.
I was just chatting with him today.
And sometimes he preaches too as well when he's not off at a war.
I was joking with him.
We've gone down to the Darien Gap together in Mexico tracking migrants and all that.
And he spent a lot of time in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.
But I was joking with Chuck.
I was like...
We're going to have to co-author another chapter here because I'm a war correspondent.
I'm not going to get all depressed and down about it.
I'm just going to do my job and I'm going to soldier on.
You know what I'm saying?
But I am warning everybody.
I spent two days recently with a former ambassador to Netherlands named Pete Hoekstra.
And at first, he's like many people.
He's like, the United States couldn't go into a famine.
I'm like, hold on, sir.
And he started sharpshooting me with a lot of questions.
And about 30 minutes later, he's like, you know, he could see it.
The light came on, and now he's been preparing.
And that's only been, you know, in the last month that we had those two days together.
So there are people that you can still reach.
But the problem is a lot of people are so busy in their life.
They got whatever going on, and they haven't been paying attention, right?
And so it's not...
But if you get their quality time...
The light bulb comes on, and then they start getting their family ready, right?
Mm-hmm.
Right.
So I will consider that a win with him.
Yeah.
Definitely.
Like, he messages sometimes, you can tell he's getting ready.
And the same with Jordan Peterson.
You know, when I went on his show recently, a couple of months ago, you could see the light bulbs going off, and now he's been preparing quite a lot.
Well, you know, I'm about to spend two days with him here with with a Dutch farmer and some other people talking about the energy issues here in Netherlands.
And, well, you know, more to the point on the tractor that you talked about that, you know, the smelting facilities here in Europe are closing down.
That's right.
You know, and copper.
I mean, you know, where that aluminum, zinc, manganese, all of it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, I mean, where are the parts going to come from?
They're just not, right?
So the people with the old tractors like you, I mean, those are going to be golden.
Those are going to be golden.
In fact, I just bought a 1992 diesel truck.
It took me a long time to find that truck.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Well...
Yeah, and a lot of these older vehicles and tractor equipment and so on, you can still hand fabricate parts.
If you have a lathe, you have machinists nearby, you can still make the parts.
But a lot of these newer systems, you can't make them yourself.
But let me ask you this.
A lot of people listening to this are, of course, in America.
They may be Canadian, they may be American citizens, what have you.
They're in North America, typically.
They're going to be asking the question, hey, how does this affect me?
I mean, we're talking about Europe.
We're talking about Germany.
Yeah, it's going to get cold.
People are going to starve and freeze.
It's going to be horrible.
And we haven't even talked about Russia and Ukraine yet.
We've got to get to that.
But what would you say to an American listening?
He says, no, we're going to be fine.
I was just at the store.
There's bread.
We're all fine.
What would you say to them?
I would say stop what you're doing and read When Money Dies.
Read that book.
Right.
And then look around you while you're reading that book.
And then read Red Famine.
First read When Money Dies and then read Red Famine.
And, you know, when you're reading, then you have quiet time and you have time to think about it and look around and go, hmm, wait a minute here, you know.
I'm seeing some similarities here that are quite strange.
Strong, actually.
And you don't have much time, actually.
One of the things about these sorts of situations is they typically vary.
You know, there are some famines that happen sort of suddenly, right?
But mostly, you kind of gradually go into it.
Until the very end, and then it's bang, it goes vertical, right?
And because suddenly everybody gets scared and they start scarfing up, then you actually get real hoarding, you know, whereas, you know, like one rich guy comes and buys up everything he can get, you know, but for us, millions of us who are preppers, that's not hoarding.
We got it when it was cheap, you know?
That's right.
When it was readily available, just picking it up a little bit at a time over a year.
We got it when the beans were 29 cents on sale, right?
They couldn't sell them.
Well, they could sell them to me.
So that's not hoarding.
And then once you get into it, you'll find, too, the more you read about famine, you'll see that suddenly food It's worth more than anything.
I mean, people buying grand pianos for, like, three potatoes and that sort of thing.
You'll see that in the book, I think, Red Famine and quite a few other, you know, whether it's the Irish famines or whatever, you'll just see suddenly, you know, and putting it in modern language, you know, a case of MREs might get you a Tesla, you know?
I mean, seriously, I'm not even joking.
No, no, I'm right there with you, yeah.
I'm familiar with the history of Taiwan because...
My wife's family escaped the Communists of China and went with Chiang Kai-shek over to Taiwan, and then there was Japanese occupation of Taiwan, and there was mass famine.
And so I've talked to people in Taiwan, people who have since passed away, but I talked to them because I speak enough Chinese, and I talked to them about this, and one of them told me that at one point during the occupation by Japan, And they were under martial law, that they were able to trade a duck for a hotel.
Like, they had an extra duck and they got a hotel building in exchange.
I mean, I was told that.
Oh, you'll see stories like that in every famine book.
Every famine book.
You'll be like, you know, a bag of potatoes, and then I got this whole, you know, like, you know, store and a house and everything else, you know?
Yep.
I mean, it's like it goes on and on and on every time.
And go ahead.
Well, no.
So finish that up, please.
I don't want to ask you about Russia and Ukraine and all that, but yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, so definitely hide your food.
Learn ways to hide it.
There are many ways it can be done.
One guy, actually an intelligence guy of all things, he sent me ways to hide it around your house.
I'm like, listen, brother, if you're hiding it around your house, trust me, it ain't hidden.
It's hidden.
I mean, there are ways to hide it under the garden type thing.
You've got to garden out back to cover for the digging or something like that.
It's funny because, you know, the KGB and the GRU, actually, if you read Red Famine, you'll see that they actually stemmed.
They were born from Stalin creating an intelligence operation to find people, how they were hiding food.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah.
Because first you get the easy stuff like, you know, hiding it in your roof or in the furniture.
Of course, they catch all that.
And, you know, and then, you know, then they find it hidden out in the forest and he starts paying neighbors and stuff.
And And then finally, they actually started an intelligence organization for finding food.
And eventually, that's where actually KGB and GRU were born out of that.
Interestingly, as you know, again, Mao was a student of Stalin, and he had the same problems because he was trying to confiscate everybody's food as well.
And at one point, Mao was like grudgingly respectful of the peasants and their ability to really hide food, you know?
And so, you know, of course, he was a student of Stalin and he used his techniques.
And, you know, if it's like two years into the famine and you've still got some fat around your belly, you're going to bring some suspicion, right?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely true.
true.
And by the way, the people I talked to in Taiwan said that they used to do guerrilla gardening and they would grow specifically.
And this one individual told me that he ate so many sweet potatoes because that was the one crop that they could grow successfully all over the forest that couldn't be easily spotted.
He ate so many sweet potatoes to stay alive during that time.
He would never touch a sweet potato again in his life because, you know, the old Taiwanese still call the old Taiwanese sweet potatoes.
They call them that.
Is that right?
I didn't know that.
Your wife might be too young to know that because usually it's only like the people are like 80.
They'll know it.
If she asks her grandparents, they'll probably know.
Well, first of all, Taiwan is shaped like a sweet potato, right?
Which is the same shape as a taro, right?
Right.
And so the old-timers, they called the mainlanders who came over in the 40s, right?
They called them Taros because they were tart and sour, you know?
You know how the Taiwanese are.
I love Taiwanese.
Yeah, yeah.
They're great folks.
They've got such a...
I don't know.
I just like Taiwanese for some reason.
They're...
I'm in Taiwan, and I don't know what I'm doing.
One old guy, he's like nine years old.
I'm in this restaurant, and I didn't know how to eat certain food.
He just came and sat at my table.
He didn't speak English.
I didn't speak Mandarin, but he's like sitting with me, helping me with the eggs and stuff.
I love that place.
Yeah, Taiwan people are super friendly.
They just sit at the table with me.
They see me eating alone, because sometimes they'll just be like, oh, we'll sit with you.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
So let's move over to Russia and Ukraine.
I also want to be mindful of your time here.
But Russia and Ukraine, as you know, the recent situation there, Putin announcing the partial mobilization, 300,000 reservists being called back to active duty.
We've got, I think, the four regions there that are about to vote on a referendum to join the Russian Federation.
If that goes through, and then if Russia recognizes them, then Russia would say that these Donbass republics are now part of the Russian Federation.
Where do you think this is going?
Because you've covered a lot of war.
You've seen patterns of history.
In your best estimation, where is this headed?
It's very complex.
And as you know, when these wars kick off, you know, you see a lot of people doing analysis like this is how it's going to go because they got this many tanks and they got blah, blah, blah.
You're going up against a sophisticated enemy here.
And there's a lot of variables that are beyond tanks and radars and all that.
Right.
Like shut off Nord Stream 1 and wait, right?
And shut off the oil, right?
So, I mean, you know, I think one of the things that Putin has in his favor is just time, if he just doesn't lose, right?
Because Europe is clearly melting under my feet here.
And this winter is going to be rough, and then they'll almost certainly go into a famine within about a year or so.
Certainly, I would say by sometime in, if not 2023, then 2024.
It's kind of hard to imagine how they will get out of this without a famine.
And so, of course, you know, in the 1840s, they call them the hungry 40s.
Because there was such food scarcity across Europe.
So in 1848, there were revolutions all across Europe.
So it was called the Revolutions of 1848, which is why I call this Global 1848, the conditions we're in now.
So what's going to happen with...
I just don't know.
It's too complex.
He certainly hasn't lost, and Russia often gets smashed in the face and comes back and fights to a win, or they fight and still lose, right?
But they're clearly not giving up.
As you can see, he just called for a Quote, unquote, limited draft and 300,000.
We'll see what happens.
But he's very smart.
He knows that Putin, to my knowledge, did not threaten to use nuclear weapons.
That's been our side has been talking about nuclear weapons the whole time.
To my knowledge, Putin said that they would respond Accordingly, but he didn't say anything about preemptive strikes with nuclear weapons.
No, you're absolutely correct.
The preemptive strikes are being discussed by the West, which is a very, very dangerous game theory type of escalation, because if your side starts saying, hey, we should nuke Russia first, then obviously you're motivating Russia to preempt the preemptive strike.
Exactly.
You know how this goes.
Yeah, he's looking at his gun.
I should go for mine first type thing, you know?
And, you know, of course, you know, Putin can destroy Ukraine without nuclear weapons anyway, if he's willing to go that far.
I mean, they've got, you know, thermobaric weapons, fuel air bombs, of course.
I mean, he can, you know, interrupt their food supplies and, of course, you know, drive millions more people out of Ukraine into the...
Into Poland and into Germany and other places, right while these countries go into severe energy, it's not really a crisis.
We're talking about death blows here.
I mean, we're talking about people freezing to death literally in Germany.
And, of course, if Germany does this, which is what it's really looking like, my guess is that you're going to have Germans freezing to death within a few months from now, certainly by January or February.
It's kind of hard to imagine it's not going to be happening.
Remember Russia's missile strikes just, I don't know, 10 days ago or something on the electrical grid infrastructure?
And it took it down for one day.
And you know what I think that was now in retrospect is I think it was a probe to determine the resilience and redundancy of Ukraine's existing power grid in anticipation of actually taking it down when it's very, very cold.
They're very smart.
He's patient.
He's a patient player, and he's very smart.
Patience is a high virtue in warfare, and he has it.
He has strategic and tactical patience.
The West does not.
They're immature.
They're not serious people, but they have serious weapons.
I told Bannon this recently, and I said, you know what?
The biggest threat, it appears to me, to Europe, It's not actually Russian.
I spent a lot of my army time training to parachute into Poland and fight Russians.
It's not like they're my buddies.
I'm an American.
I grew up in Florida.
It looks to me like the greatest threat to Europe is actually Germany.
And I'm not saying that with any hyperbole.
I'm deadly serious.
The greatest threat to Europe appears to be Germany.
The decisions that Germany is making, for instance, shutting down their nuclear plants, even while they continue to provoke Russia by nationalizing their refinery a couple days ago, and then Uniper as well, which is separate, and then provoking Russia to cut off Nord Stream 1, And the oil, right?
They're just doing things that they basically bought the rope, tied it into a noose, and jumped on the chair and put it around their own German necks, which is going to take Europe with it, right?
Which, of course, means China, Japan, the United States, because all of our economies, as you know, we're sharing blood flow here.
There's nobody going down alone with this.
That's right.
That's right.
Well, and we've already seen the euro as the currency getting really, really crushed.
But a lot of people fleeing the euro into the dollar, making the dollar look temporarily strong.
But that's only artificial because the dollar is considered the least horrible currency at the moment because the tidal wave hasn't hit yet.
You know what I mean?
The dollar is not going to escape this unscathed either.
Yeah.
You know, I'm not a financial analyst, but I am a war correspondent, and I have a very good track record.
Just randomly pick any of the stuff that I've written in Iraq or Afghanistan, Thailand, Hong Kong, just throw a dart and pick one of the old dispatches and tell me if it turned out to be accurate or not, right?
Because I spend my time on the ground constantly.
I'm constantly out, whether it's Lithuania or Morocco or Colombia, I'm down in the jungle in the Darien Gap.
I was warning about what's happening in the Darien Gap right now with Venezuela.
I've been warning about that for quite a while, that our main migration flow is likely going to come from Africa and Asia and South America right through Panama, and that's what's happening now.
You can see it if you're down there in the ground and sussing it out.
I said that all the preamble to say Based on my studies of famine and pandemic and war, I wouldn't be holding on to a lot of extra American cash, certainly not in the bank, not in the bank.
And then I wouldn't keep too many dollars anyway, any more than I needed to keep the electric bill on and the payroll or whatever.
But I would keep it in other things that you can convert to other things like food to ammo or gold to food or something.
Yeah, exactly.
I totally agree with your perspective on that as well.
Well, I look forward to being able to talk to you again, perhaps in person, if you make your way to Texas at some point.
But, you know, this has already been fascinating.
I want to give people details on how they can reach you.
In addition to michaelyan.com, and that's spelled Y-O-N, you've got a locals.com website as well?
I'm on locals every day.
And then I'll be spending a couple days with Jordan Peterson.
When he gets here, he's flying in soon.
That's why I just got here about an hour ago, just before we went online, actually.
And then as soon as I'm finished in the Netherlands, I may go to Ireland, then I'm flying straight to Texas.
So then I can come see you, actually, when I'm in Texas.
Okay, well, let's get together then and maybe do an in-person interview and talk about some other stuff and, yeah, things that we maybe can't talk about on the air here as well.
Yeah.
Got some other intel to share.
Yeah.
Yeah, I want to talk about things like old tractors and how you use...
Like, I was listening to an interview you did with Seth, and you talked about how you would use the tractors to generate electricity as opposed to other...
I thought that was ingenious.
I never had heard about that before.
So I started looking on your website, and next thing you know, I'm buying stuff that you're talking about.
You're costing me money, man.
Well...
See, but I've done a ton of research on this for a long time, and also remember that the most efficient way to move water, if you have to move it artificially, is to convert diesel to water movement by a PTO-powered water pump that sits on the back of your tractor.
See, if you use diesel to generate electricity and then electricity to power a pump, Your efficiency goes down to like 50%.
But if you burn diesel to turn a PTO to move water, it's almost 100%.
So there's all kinds of things like that that I've studied and that I use in my rural environment on my ranch in Texas, but we can talk about all that stuff.
I want to see you do it.
I want to physically see how you do it and all that.
Because I'll come and spend time with you until you kick me off the ranch.
These skills are important.
How I got kicked off the Health Rangers Ranch, you know, part two.
Oh my gosh.
Burning through too much ammo.
Yeah, that would get you kicked off.
I'm just thinking about how much stuff that I learned from my grandfather, you know, like, you know, hunting and fishing and all this stuff.
And I'm like, you know, I haven't done it in a long time, but we used to do it a lot.
And I'm thinking, you know, all that stuff, when I went to survival and special forces, I'm like, my grandfather taught me all this stuff.
You know what I mean?
And suddenly that can come in handy, you know?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
Well, we'll have a lot to catch up on.
Safe journeys in the meantime.
Let me know when you're going to be in Texas.
We'll get together at that time.
And thank you for joining us today.
I know it was kind of impromptu.
And folks, I just texted Michael.
I was like, hey, man, can you just do an interview right now?
And he said, yeah.
So that's how we made this happen.
So thank you, Michael.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you.
It's been a great honor.
I'll see you in Texas soon.
Maybe even like 10 days or something.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
Well, keep me posted.
Stay safe.
And let the Germans know what's coming.
If they believe you.
I hope they believe you.
They should listen.
It's for real.
Some do.
Some don't.
All right, brother.
I'll see you soon.
All right.
We'll see you later.
Take care.
Bye-bye.
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