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Sept. 23, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
02:00:23
Situation Update, 9/23/22 - World War III has already begun...
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All right, welcome folks.
It is the Situation Update for Friday, September 23rd.
Oh, whoa, yeah.
And the year is 2022.
I'm saying whoa because I just realized it's September 23rd.
And this is the day that, of course, everybody's been talking about that something, I think, they suspected something big might happen today or tomorrow or sometime in the next week.
Well, I just want to say for the record, as I've stated here on this podcast, I don't have any certainty about any specific thing that's going to happen today or tomorrow or the next week.
Everybody I ask is like, what did you hear that's going to happen on the 23rd or the 24th?
And they have the same answer.
I don't know, but I heard something is going to happen.
I'm like, well, who'd you hear that from?
I heard it from somebody else who said something's going to happen.
So that's not...
I mean, it's just kind of a rumor, really.
Now, maybe, I don't know, the heavens will open up and a giant bolt of lightning from the sky or something will happen and prove me wrong, but...
I'm not anticipating today being any more crazy than any other day, but with the caveat that pretty much all the days are insane right now.
And we are facing a truly insane global situation that we do need to be prepared for.
It's just that we can't name a date.
And that global situation, which is really the focus of my podcast today...
Is that we are facing global war.
I mean, actually, we are in a global war.
We're in World War III right now.
At least that's my assertion.
I think we're in it.
And I think the globalists know that we're in it.
I think the Vatican knows we're in it because of what they're doing with their bank transfers and everything.
I think the corporations know we're in it.
That's why they're canceling so much in the way of inventory.
I think all the people in the high positions, they know it.
They're just not telling us.
At least that's my theory.
So we'll get into that.
And the situation with Russia and Ukraine and Europe continues to get worse by the day.
It's deteriorating quite rapidly.
But let me mention this.
The interview that I have coming up for you today is, I think, going to be a bombshell interview because I'm interviewing none other than Carl Grossman.
the Long Island journalist who did a lot of the original research and writing about Plum Island and the bioweapons development program run by the USDA to weaponize ticks,
which many people believe became Lyme disease, or to weaponize other pathogens which many people believe became Lyme disease, or to weaponize other pathogens in order to devastate the food supply of enemy nations to specifically target the former Soviet Union or Cuba by killing off all their ranch animals
were developed and engineered essentially gain of function type of engineering at Plum Island, which is an island in New York state.
And one of the very few people who has written extensively about that and also has toured the facility, was actually given a tour by the USDA, is Carl Grossman.
And he's also a professor of journalism at, let me see, State University of New York.
He says it's at Old Westbury.
He's been a professor there for 43 years.
So he's going to be joining us.
And I'm really looking forward to that conversation.
from different walks of life, even across the political spectrum, or different types of professionals from different areas and so on.
And this is going to be one of those interviews that I think you will find truly fascinating to hear from the point of view of a New Yorker, a Long Island man, an investigative journalist, who has lived through this as a researcher and journalist.
And he's going to have quite an astonishing story to tell, I believe.
But stay tuned.
We'll find out.
We'll get to that.
But let me share something else with you first.
I was thinking today about what is intelligence?
That is functional intelligence, you know, IQ, in our modern world.
Because I don't trust the IQ tests, right?
Even though I was always really good at taking tests and I excelled academically and so on.
But that doesn't mean anything.
I've seen people who are high IQ on tests, but they don't have any common sense in the real world.
doctors all through COVID who were so easily brainwashed and indoctrinated by so-called authority figures or institutions of authority.
And so functionally, they're not very smart.
In fact, functionally, you could say they're cognitively impaired.
I'm not going to use the word retarded because it's perhaps not the most appropriate term for this, but I would say they're functionally impaired in terms of an intelligence quotient, even though they have a high raw IQ.
So I was thinking about, what is the simplest measure of intelligence in our world today?
And I think I nailed it, and I want to share it with you and get your thoughts.
It's very simple.
I think the most accurate measure of intelligence is how quickly you reject lies and propaganda from governments and corporations.
I think that's the measure.
Because If you believe all the lies, I mean, first of all, governments lie all the time.
They almost are incapable of doing anything else.
They just lie, lie, lie about, you know, interest rates.
They lie about finance and the economy.
They lie about science and research and COVID and vaccines and everything.
Just constantly lying.
And so do corporations, right?
At least the large ones.
You know, they're always lying about everything.
From their earnings, they're cooking the books, they're lying about the pollution they cause in the world, they're lying about the safety of their pesticides, or whatever the case may be.
Or they're lying about the motivations behind what they do.
But, again, the greatest measure of intelligence is how quickly you reject the lies and propaganda of government and corporations.
But gullible people Whether they're high IQ or low IQ academically, you notice how they believe the lies.
They believe the lies very easily, like automatically.
So some authority figure appears on TV or on their computer screen, you know, like Fauci or someone, or someone who claims to be a doctor, wearing a doctor's coat, claims to be the U.S. Surgeon General, let's say, and says, you must all take vaccines because they're safe and effective.
Even though that's a lie, because remember they had to invoke emergency use authorization, right?
Which is an admission that these are experimental medicines that have not gone through adequate testing, long-term clinical trials, risk assessment, any of that.
But they said, oh, they're safe and effective.
Everybody should line up and take the vaccine.
A person who believed that and went out and took the vaccine is, in my view, low IQ. That is low functional IQ. Just not very bright.
You believed the government?
Really?
Because they were wearing a white coat?
Symbols of authority?
You believe that?
Not too bright.
Not too bright.
And I know people who are very capable coders, for example, like geniuses in writing computer code.
Not too bright when it comes to rejecting propaganda from government or corporations.
Some people believe that the drug companies want to help you.
Oh, the drug companies, they're so kind.
They're not in it for the money, even though they made tens of billions of dollars poisoning people and killing people.
They're not in it for the money.
They just want to help.
They just want to help humanity.
They just want to help.
And there are, in fact, gatherings of gullible people who are low functional IQ but who think Big Pharma wants to help them.
Yeah, they gather together with pink ribbons during Breast Cancer Awareness Month.
Which is coming up.
For the next month, all of October, you're going to hear a breast cancer awareness!
And there's going to be pink ribbons everywhere.
And people are going to run around in circles and raise money.
They don't even know where it goes.
They don't know.
Because I've asked people.
Sometimes people have asked me, would you donate to my walk?
I'm going to raise money for breast cancer research.
And I'd say, well, yeah, I'll gladly sponsor your walk if you could tell me where that money goes.
Go do the research.
Tell me where it goes.
I give you $100 just to do the research.
They never do.
Because most of that money, you know where it goes, by the way, really, in reality?
A lot of it goes to buy mobile mammography equipment and vans.
I mean, big trucks.
So they roll these mammogram semis into black neighborhoods mostly because they know that black Americans are vitamin D deficient.
And thus they tend to have much higher risk of cancer.
So instead of walking around and maybe telling black people, hey, take vitamin D to prevent cancer.
Instead, they use your money on the cancer walks to buy mammography equipment to diagnose black women with breast cancer so the cancer industry can profit from treating, quote, treating, which is poisoning black women with chemotherapy and, you know, mastectomies, which is poisoning black women with chemotherapy and, you know, mastectomies, cutting off their
Or for black men, you know, also chemotherapy, radiation therapy, prostate cancer, which is more aggressive in black men than white men, and breast cancer is more aggressive in black women than white women because, again, of the vitamin D deficiency.
But nobody in the cancer industry will tell people take more vitamin D. So, If you know anybody that's going to run around with pink ribbons, you should tell them, why don't you run around and just hand out vitamin D? That would be way more effective, especially if you see some black folks.
Here, have some vitamin D, and then you may not need the chemo, or you may never get cancer.
So Gullible people believe corporations.
Gullible people think vaccines are here to help you.
Gullible people think that governments are here.
They're so kind.
They just want to make your life better.
Build back better.
You know, gullible people think that Justin Trudeau is a compassionate humanitarian leader.
Not corrupt at all.
No.
Now, also remember that it's socially acceptable.
To believe the lies of governments and corporations.
You'll get along with people.
You'll be accepted.
Your peers will love you.
Because you're not controversial.
You're not one of those conspiracy theorists, are you?
You question everything.
So if you just go along with what you're told, then you'll be part of, quote, polite society.
Well, I don't know about you, but I want no part of, quote, polite society.
I want to talk to interesting people who are thinkers, which is why I interview interesting people who are thinkers, right?
And none of them are going to win popularity awards, but they are definitely the real humanitarians.
They are the thinkers.
They are the skeptics.
They are the ones who ask questions, who dig into the research and who don't believe the lies at all.
And it's people like you.
I enjoy talking with and meeting and interviewing because we are the ones who are actually acing the global IQ test, which is the vaccine test.
So for those people who took the vaccines, they failed the test.
Now, some people have recovered from that by no longer taking additional boosters, right?
So some people took one or two shots because they had good immune function and some of them had really good nutrition too, and they stopped taking them and they're doing okay.
But the people who keep taking them, they keep failing the IQ test multiple times.
And as Darwinism kicks in, they won't be with us much longer.
And that's their own removal of themselves from the human gene pool.
But you and I, we are acing the Darwinian IQ test by not believing the lies, right?
So always beware when they want to inject you with something, but you're not allowed to ask questions about it, because that's what the whole COVID vaccine thing has been.
Oh, here, line up, roll up your sleeve, take these shots.
Well, can I ask questions about it?
Nope.
No questions allowed.
Can I know what's in it?
Nope.
Nope.
Corporate secrets, trade secrets.
Can I see long-term testing results?
Nope.
We don't have those.
Don't need them.
It's all good.
Trust us.
They're vaccinating raccoons.
Remember the helicopter dropping, the airdropping of the oral vaccines carried out by the USDA, which I covered here this week.
That's a delicious edible treat.
So somehow they can vaccinate raccoons with delicious edible treats, but you have to be injected with an experimental needle substance of some kind.
What's the deal with that?
If raccoons can be vaccinated with a delicious treat, then how come they can't give people delicious treats with the vaccines, huh?
There's a question.
Oh, you're not allowed to ask questions.
Okay, I get it.
Well, if I'm not allowed to ask questions, I'm not lining up for your experimental injection.
See, that's a measure of intelligence.
It's a measure of intelligence.
I mean, think about it from a little green man point of view.
If there were advanced aliens running around the cosmos or this branch of the Milky Way galaxy, like whatever spiral arm that we're on, forgot the name of it.
And let's say that the aliens are checking out all the planets and they're running IQ tests on the planets to see which planets they should try to save the indigenous creatures and which other planets they should just nuke and start over, you know?
If they came to Earth with that kind of attitude, or any other planet, wouldn't the easiest thing for aliens to do would be just, hey, let's see if these dumb hominoid creatures are stupid enough to line up and commit suicide!
And then we'll know.
We'll know the answer to our question.
Is this species worth saving?
Or what percentage of the species is worth saving?
And so, I'm not saying that that's literally what's happening.
That's just a metaphor.
But If you want to run an IQ test, that would be a really clever way to do it.
Who's dumb enough to kill themselves?
Just because we told them something.
We told them a bunch of lies.
Oh, it's safe.
It's effective.
Go for it.
And then they did it.
It's like, wow.
Wow, look at these people.
That's amazing.
Look, they call themselves humans.
And yet they're dumber than animals.
It's amazing.
That's the aliens saying that, right?
I've jokingly said they might sell tickets.
For other observers to watch the stupidity on planet Earth.
Just sell tickets.
It's like live streaming.
Subscription feed.
Look!
We're going to put a camera on the downtown Philadelphia streets and just watch this.
This is insane.
We've never seen so much insanity in the entire universe.
Anyway, we are going to get to World War III here in a minute.
Something else I wanted to mention.
Oh, first of all, we do have nascent iodine.
And we just got also a shipment of potassium iodide pills that are FDA approved.
And those pills, you're going to love this, the manufacturer of those pills, and we've been a retailer of those pills for a very long time.
And I think they'll be active in our shopping cart maybe by the time you hear this if you want to get them.
We only have 3,000 units, so they're not going to last but a couple of days probably.
But we used to be able to buy, I don't remember, 50,000, 100,000 packages at a time.
We would get large cases full of these and put them into inventory and ship them out for people.
Well, they told us recently that they can only sell us 3,000 at a time.
And I've forgotten if that's 3,000 every couple of months or 3,000 per month or what, but it's only 3,000.
I don't think it's every month.
And they say they're doing this to all the retailers.
It's because of not just the crazy high demand for potassium iodide, but it's also the fact that the supply chain for the raw materials that go into this, well, the supply chain is all breaking down.
Just like microchips and car parts and everything else.
So reduce supply and increase demand.
And they told us that long before Russia and Ukraine were on the verge of nuclear warfare, by the way.
So the demand is only going to get more crazy from here forward.
But let me share something with you that you will find to be quite a relief.
If you're wondering, like, oh, potassium iodide.
Versus just iodine.
You know, nascent iodine is what our product is called.
Do both of these work to block the iodine-131 radioisotope from latching onto your thyroid and radiating you from inside your own body?
And the answer is yes.
All forms of iodine work, folks.
So you don't have to get potassium iodide.
The potassium has no purpose other than to form a chemical bond with the iodine, So that it's in a solid form.
But then once it hits your stomach acid, guess what?
It dissociates anyway.
So you're just getting a little bit of dietary potassium.
And then you're getting the iodine at that point.
Because it's no longer than iodide.
It's because it hits your stomach acid, right?
So then you just got iodine.
So frankly, all forms of iodine work in this way.
Every form.
Well, let me just state.
Every...
It's supplementary, you know, oral form.
I mean, there are some kinds of iodine, like povidone iodine, that you should not ingest, obviously, and that there are warnings on the bottle.
It's just for topical antiseptic use, okay?
So let me be clear about that.
But I'm talking about oral supplements of iodine.
They all work.
Literally all of them work.
It's just a question of how quickly they work or the density of iodine versus how many drops are in it and so on.
But potassium iodide works, nascent iodine works.
I don't know what all the different forms are called.
Deep earth iodine works, whatever.
All the forms of iodine work.
So folks, just as a public service, you don't even have to get it from us, but make sure you have iodine.
A form that you can take orally.
And remember that the half-life of iodine-131, which is the radioisotope that's found in the fallout of nuclear weapons, make sure you understand that's a seven-day half-life.
Or I think maybe it's 6.9 or something.
Let's just call it a week.
Okay?
One-week half-life.
So you need to keep your thyroid flush with plenty of your supplementary iodine.
For several weeks, because you need several half-lives to take place in order for the concentration of iodine-131 in the air or in the soils or in the milk or whatever to be reduced substantially.
You know, in one week, it'll be one-half of what it was.
In two weeks, it'll be one-fourth.
In three weeks, it'll be one-eighth.
In four weeks, it'll be one-sixteenth and so on.
You know, roughly, give or take.
Okay?
Okay.
Now, I've heard other people online talking about everybody should get some pectin.
Because pectin removes radiation from your body.
Well...
So, I just want to clarify this for folks, because I actually, I've done research on this.
I have a patent, you may know.
It's called Cesium Eliminator.
And you can read about it.
It's on the website, cesiumeliminator.com, which is not a supplement that's for sale.
We don't have it for sale.
That's that supplement that I've stored like 10,000...
Kilos of that stuff in a warehouse in Central Texas.
And my plan is to donate it to, I don't know, the state emergency response units or whoever could distribute it in case there's a nuclear war.
That's my plan.
I'm actually sitting on a stockpile of this invention called cesium eliminator, or at least the components to make it.
And what I want to tell you about pectin is that pectin only works to bind with the radioisotopes that you eat or drink.
Pectin will not pull radiation out of your blood.
I want you to understand that because some people talking about this don't seem to understand that or they fail to mention it.
You know, if you're breathing in radioisotopes in radioactive dust, Which, that's where you can get iodine-131 or even cesium-137 or what have you.
If you're breathing it in, pectin's not going to do a thing.
You can eat all pectin all day long.
You're just going to poop out more pectin.
It's not going to take radiation out of your lungs or your blood or the tissues that were already served by your blood or any of that.
No, it's not going to do anything.
Pectin only works for radiation that you eat.
So it would be better not to eat radioactive food in the first place.
Hence the reason to get yourself a good radiation detector so that you can scan your food or your water or your milk or whatever before you drink it or eat it.
See, you don't need pectin if you can just eat non-irradiated food, which brings up the whole point of stored food.
Your stored food is not radioactive.
Because it wasn't grown in, you know, fallout soils or anything like that.
So for several weeks after a nuclear event, you can just eat stored food.
Or even for several months, eat stored food.
Or if you do buy something from the grocery store, if it's even functioning, hit it with your radiation meter, you know, your little Geiger counter.
Go full Mad Max.
What's a little fallout, buddy?
You know, that whole scene.
Scan it.
If it's radioactive, don't eat it, okay?
Now, the reason so many people in Japan in World War II following, you know, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the reason they ate pectin is because, well, nobody had radiation meters.
So they just assumed that the food and the drinks that they were consuming were radioactive.
It was probably a fairly accurate assumption.
So they just slammed a lot of pectin.
And they slammed fermented miso soup as well, which helps in different kinds of ways.
So they were just doing that by default, but they didn't know if they were eating radioactive food.
Whereas today, you can buy radiation meters.
Well, maybe not literally today since they could be sold out, but There are some very good radiation meters that you could buy at retail that you should use for this purpose.
So make sure you've got iodine.
Make sure you've got a good Geiger counter or something similar that really works so you can scan all your food and water.
And then make sure you have, obviously, a good water filter.
And I'm still planning on doing a video to test all the water filters, or I should say the top 25 or 30 of them, to see if they can remove particles that are radioactive.
I'm going to conduct that test using actually non-radioactive isotopes of cesium and other elements.
And then I'm going to use my ICP-MS mass spec instrument in my lab to get an exact count of the removal of these elements.
And I'm going to show you those results and just release that information for free.
But I can tell you, because of my experience in this area, I can tell you with very high certainty what I'm going to find.
And it's this.
Water filters that are good at filtering water are also good at filtering radiation because the radiation isn't an invisible property of the water.
The radiation is part of particles.
There are radioactive particles.
So you don't have just radiation.
If I expose water to radiation, does the water become radioactive?
The real answer is no.
I mean, there are...
Technically, some physicist is going to point out, well, there could be, you know, you could cause some masses to be added to some oxygens and then there could be some short half-life, you know, trace radioactive oxygens in that mix.
Okay, fine.
But I'm talking about real radiation that's going to harm people.
If you irradiate water with...
Well, like this.
If you take a bottle of water and you put it in the microwave, or let's say you have like a Pyrex container, like a measuring cup of water, you put it in the microwave.
You take it out of the microwave after 10 minutes of zapping it, making it boil.
Is that water giving off microwaves after you take it out of the microwave oven?
The answer is no, no.
It does not, because the radiation isn't in the water.
Doesn't make the water radioactive, folks.
If you have water that is radioactive, it's because there are particles in the water that are radioactive.
And those particles would consist of radioisotopes like cesium-137.
Well, if you filter the water, if it's a decent filter, it's going to filter out the particles, which means you're filtering out the radiation, which actually means you're concentrating the radiation in the element of your filter system.
So if you have, let's say, a big Berkey And you've got some water, and you run your Geiger counter over it like...
This water is all radioactive.
Let's filter it out.
You pour it into the big Berkey, and then what comes out of the bottom is all clean, no radiation.
You will have radioactive filter elements because it captured the radioactivity and probably, in fact, concentrated it into a smaller space.
It's now in the filter, which is fine.
Just don't sleep next to it.
You know, don't eat the filters.
Like, keep your distance.
And you can still use those same filters to filter out other water.
and it's still fine because you're not going to make the water radioactive.
Remember, water itself isn't really, it can't be made radioactive.
Again, except in very minor physics arguments about rare isotopes of oxygen and things like that.
But you can't really make water radioactive.
It's the particles in it.
So keep that in mind.
If you have good water filters, you have a means to filter out radiation right now.
Okay, one more health and safety tip I want to pass along here that's highly relevant to this because it's about stored food.
And I've heard people saying online, YouTubers and podcasters and so on, I've heard them promoting what they call non-GMO food, like storable food or survival food, and they say it's non-GMO. I've looked at some of those, some of what they're offering, and I don't find any certification of non-GMO status.
In fact, it's just conventional food, which is typically grown with pesticides and herbicides and glyphosate and all kinds of things.
So be wary of claims of, quote, non-GMO status.
And you know, maybe people who are making this claim don't fully understand it themselves, but there are people claiming their food is non-GMO when it's totally GMO and it's totally grown with pesticides.
So, folks, non-GMO can be certified.
There are certifications for non-GMO. So look for that or ask for that certification, but better yet, go with certified organic.
Which is mostly what we sell because certified organic always means non-GMO. And I just wanted to repeat that here because it's an important thing to understand that the USDA organic program does not allow the use of bioengineered ingredients at all.
So certified organic always means non-GMO, whereas non-GMO by itself doesn't seem to mean much of anything unless it's certified.
But even then, the certifications don't test every production lot for whether they contain bioengineered ingredients, by the way.
So a certification may or may not actually hold true.
And organic is a lot more rigorous.
So as part of organic certification...
You'll have an annual organic accreditation auditor.
And they come into our operation every year.
And what they do is they're kind of like accountants, actually.
They look at all your books and all your inventory of how much you bought and how much you've sold that is organic.
And this is one of the things they do.
So if you bought something that's organic, you have to have all the certificates and the authenticity of the organic status.
And then you also need to show how much organic you've sold.
And those two numbers should mostly match up and where they find fraud and where people get dropped from organic certification is if, let's say, they bought 100,000 pounds of organic lentils, but they sold 500,000 pounds of organic lentils, quote, organic certification. pounds of organic lentils, quote, organic certification.
Then the inspector is like, hey, where did this other 400,000 pounds of organic lentils come from?
Show me where you got that.
Show me where you bought that.
Otherwise, this looks like fraud, you see.
And there is.
There is fraud, which is the whole point of having the audits and the inspections.
And basically, again, it's like a forensic audit.
But there's something else you need to know about organic.
Organic doesn't mean that it's tested.
So to go beyond organic, and when I say tested, certified organic foods are not tested for heavy metals.
They're not tested for pesticides or for glyphosate.
Did you know that?
The USDA requires no such testing.
And Almost nobody does it.
We're one of the few that actually do it.
So the best standard is organic plus tested.
And not just tested once a year, but tested for every lot.
Every production lot.
Every raw materials lot.
Because we test everything that comes in.
We're constantly testing.
I mean, we can produce log files for thousands of tests.
That we do just routinely.
I mean, thousands of tests every year for heavy metals and also microbiology, E. coli, salmonella, yeast and mold.
In addition, we do glyphosate testing.
So On the spectrum of food, from kind of dirty to clean, on the dirty side, it's just conventional, whatever, you know, just regular grocery store, non-organic, just, yeah, just, here you go, just buy the cheapest stuff, okay.
And then a step up from that could be non-GMO if it's certified, but most of the claims of non-GMO are not certified.
And then a step up from that would be certified organic, which means non-GMO, and it also means grown without synthetic pesticides and so on.
And then the highest step, which is what we do, is certified organic plus tested for every lot and tested for multiple things.
So I just want to explain that.
Because not everybody's clear on what they're buying.
And since survival food is probably going to be needed here coming up, given what's happening with the world, folks, you're probably going to have to eat the stuff that you're buying right now.
And I know some people are like, no, I'll just buy the cheapest stuff.
It's $99.
I don't care what's in it.
You better care what's in it because you're probably going to have to eat that.
You're going to have to live off that.
And if so, there's going to be a day across America where everybody digs into their survival food.
You know, the case of survival food, they open it up and they're like, what the heck?
What did I buy?
You know, textured soy protein with MSG. It's like, this isn't survival food, this is death food!
So be careful.
Be careful what you buy, because you're probably going to have to eat it.
Oh, by the way, the government of Poland is distributing iodine right now.
Isn't that interesting?
Huh.
What do you suppose they're thinking?
It's like, nah, it just suddenly came to us that maybe people need iodine for some reason.
Could be a nuclear accident.
That's probably their official reasoning.
But you know the reason, because nuclear war is growing in risk.
You see it.
We cover it every day.
It's not a good scenario.
Poland is smart to hand out iodine, but the thing about iodine is it only, I mean, it protects the thyroid, but it's not a radiation shield from all other sources of radiation.
In other words, and I don't want people to have the misimpression that thinking iodine is some kind of magical bulletproof vest against radiation.
It isn't.
Iodine doesn't stop cesium radiation or uranium radiation or any other kind of strontium fallout or whatever.
You know, there's all kinds of isotopes that come out of the nuclear detonations, and many of those can be inhaled.
Many of them can be—they can contaminate the food supply or waterways.
They can fall onto the roof of your home.
You know, they can end up inside your home.
They can end up on your clothes, whatever.
Iodine doesn't stop any of that stuff, folks.
Iodine does one very specific thing.
It takes up the receptor sites on your thyroid to block iodine-131.
It does not make you immune to radiation.
And again, it's, I don't know, the world's going to get a very harsh lesson probably coming up real soon.
A harsh lesson in the physics of radiation, water half-lives, and all these kinds of things.
And how many years does it take before you can grow crops again?
And the answer, by the way, following cesium fallout, you know what the answer is?
It's three centuries.
So, yeah, because it takes 10 half-lives.
And cesium-137 has about a 29-year half-life.
Just call it 30 years.
Figure 300 years, you can farm again.
Great.
Great.
What do we do in the meantime?
Sprouting?
I don't know.
Pray to God.
Yeah.
Just hope all your farmlands don't get nuked, because you won't be able to use them for three centuries.
Just ask the folks around Chernobyl, because they're waiting.
They're waiting for three centuries.
There's another element here I wanted to bring up.
Have you noticed how the vaccinated people...
That is, those continuing to take the boosters especially.
You notice how they're getting sick more frequently these days, and the severity of their sickness is getting far worse.
Have you noticed that?
Now, I've seen a lot of people get sick in the last, I don't know, six months or so, and there's been a very distinct pattern.
Sick with whatever.
Not even quote COVID or whatever you think that is, but just people having sickness, some people even losing their sense of smell, some people being down and out for days and so on.
Other people recover very quickly.
Have you noticed that The vaccinated people are down harder, longer, and are hospitalized more than unvaccinated people.
And my theory is that whatever is going around and whatever is happening, whatever toxins people are being exposed to, unvaccinated people are adapting better and responding far better than vaccinated people.
The vaccinated people are immunocompromised.
And my concern is that as they get sick more and more from whatever, you know, winter flus or, again, however you think that works, they're going to become increasingly severe in their sickness and they're going to require more hospitalization and they will die in greater numbers than un-vaxxed people.
Because I think that the vaccines, well, it's very clear.
They kick in over time.
They destroy the immune system over time.
And the more boosters you take, the more destruction of the immune system takes place.
Now, the reason I'm bringing this up right now is because I want you to consider folding in some radiation exposure.
If you have vaccine-compromised people that is immunocompromised, and then they get hit with a dose of radiation because there's fallout from either, you know, nuclear terrorism, false flag, nuclear power plant goes up, like the, what is it, the Zaporizhia, is that what it's called?
Or nuclear war, right?
If you get exposed to radiation and you've been vaccinated, Imagine the destruction to the immune system that that would achieve, whereas an unvaccinated person would seemingly be able to handle a lot more of an insult to their immune system via radiation because they're starting out from a much better place of having full immune function instead of compromised immune function.
So what if one of the real risks here that we're facing because of the situation with Russia is that Pre-immune compromised vaccinated people are then subjected to a global radiation fallout from a nuclear exchange, which is exactly where this seems to be headed.
Yeah, imagine that.
Remember that there are 12.5 billion doses of COVID vaccines that have been given worldwide.
Most of those doses have been given in the northern hemisphere of the planet.
And if Russia and NATO or the U.S., if they exchange nuclear weapons, then most of that radiation is going to circulate throughout the northern hemisphere, obviously, because of the wind patterns and so on.
And so that means that the billions of vaccinated people are going to be subjected to this radiation fallout, and you can do the math on where that goes.
We could see a multiplied effect of AIDS or vaccine-acquired immune deficiency spiked with radiation.
What would you even call that?
It would be like Vaird's Like vaccine acquired immune radiation, no, acquired immune deficiency radiation enhanced syndrome or something.
Vader's, Vader's, yeah, there we go, like Darth Vader.
That could be it.
Anyway, I don't mean to make light of this.
This is a serious situation, but that could be coming, folks.
That could be coming.
Now, at the same time, we are facing global famine, or at least the risk of famine.
And the Epoch Times has a story, quote, global food supply crisis may worsen due to poor U.S. harvest.
That's by Brian Jung.
The article quotes Chuck Magro, the chief executive of Corteva, which is one of the big agricultural firms, along with, you know, Archer Daniels Midland and Bayer and so on.
He says the following, which should raise some major red flag.
Quote, the current market expectation is that global grain and oilseed markets need two consecutive normal crop years to stabilize global supplies.
Whoa, did he just say it's going to take us two years of normal crop yields to stabilize the global food marketplace?
Yes, that's what he just said.
Now, we're going to need two years of normal production, and yet is next year, is the spring of 2023 going to be a normal production?
No, because there's not enough fertilizer.
Because the ammonia plants have been shut down, especially in Western Europe, because of the Nord Stream 1 pipeline being shut off.
And we all know about hydrocarbons and the Haber process and fertilizer and ammonia and crops and all that stuff, because we've been through that.
We've talked about that.
So no, we're not going to have a normal crop year in 2023.
And in fact, come think of it.
Wasn't it the Belgium Prime Minister who told his people recently that it's going to take 5 to 10 years of hard winters for Western Europe to get back to normal?
As if he was saying only 5 to 10 years.
Hunker down, folks.
It's only 5 to 10 years.
That sounds like a long time to wait for food and heat and energy, frankly.
So if it's five to 10 years to get Western Europe back on its feet, it's probably five to 10 years before the ammonia plants are running at full production anyway.
You know, it's probably five to 10 years before they build enough energy infrastructure to replace the Gazprom gas flows from Russia, which means it's probably five to 10 years before there's a normal crop season.
And then you've got to have two of them back to back just for food supplies to normalize.
And my question is, as much as I'm a fan of fasting for health reasons, I don't think you can fast for five to ten years during freezing winters and everything else.
I don't think that works.
I think Western Europe is facing famine.
Maybe not as much famine in America, although food supplies are going to be tight.
Food inflation is going to get worse.
Food selection will be reduced.
But Western Europe?
Famine.
I think people are going to starve there.
In fact, I've recorded an interview with War correspondent and analyst Michael Yon, Y-O-N. I recorded that earlier today, and Michael Yon warns that three things always go together, the same pattern repeated throughout history.
It is pandemics, famine, and war.
And then he mentioned those are three of the four horsemen of the apocalypse also in the book of Revelation.
But It says they always go together, and if you start out with war, you always end up with famine and pandemics.
If you start out with a pandemic, you end up with famine and war.
If you start out with famine, you end up with pandemics and war.
In other words, you start any one of those, you're going to get all three.
And here we are.
We're looking at it, right?
We just went through this crazy global pandemic or plandemic, and now what are we getting?
We'll shut down supply chains, famine, and war.
It's like right on schedule.
It's the blueprint of history.
Anyway, that interview with Michael Yan, I'm thinking I'll have it posted.
Yeah, I think I'll post it tomorrow, actually.
So check my channel over the weekend on brighttown.com.
Look for that interview because it's really fascinating.
Michael Jan is an incredible individual who travels the world, and he's a voracious reader as well.
He's turned me on to several books that he says I need to read.
One of them is called Red Famine.
Anyway, that's coming up.
And I'm reminding myself, I've got to get to the interview here with Carl Grossman.
That's today's interview.
Michael Yan will be tomorrow or perhaps the next day.
We'll see.
But we've got to get to today's interview.
So let me wrap up what I wanted to talk about here.
We're on the verge of World War III. Well, no.
We're in it.
We're in it.
It's just that the governments, they know we're in it.
China knows we're in it.
But the people aren't being told that we're in it.
And the people won't be told.
You will never be told to prepare.
You won't even be told when the missiles are flying.
And, you know, impact in 12 minutes.
They won't tell you.
They'll just tell, you know, the Pentagon will know.
The naval commanders in Colorado, they'll know.
Or the Air Force, I'm sorry, Colorado.
Wherever they are, they'll know, but we won't know.
They won't tell us jack, right?
Well, speaking with Steve Quayle about this, Steve Quayle said that according to his sources, China has already sent 200,000 soldiers to Russia to join Russia's front lines.
That's 200,000 additional Chinese soldiers on top of the 300,000 that Russia has just mobilized, which will take a couple of months for that mobilization to continue.
You know, fully kick in.
But what Steve told me is that not only has China sent 200,000 troops, which is nothing for China, by the way, because China's got, what, 1.4 billion people or something close to that?
I mean, they can raise millions of soldiers at any time.
They've got them ready to go.
But China also sent food supplies on trains to Well, at least it's on trains at this point.
So China not only provided the soldiers, but then provided support logistics, which is really the key for wartime victory or logistics.
You've got to have food, you've got to have medicine, you've got to have supplies, you've got to have fuel, all that.
It's the supply lines that win the wars as much as the front lines.
So, if this turns out to be confirmed, because I haven't seen this reported anywhere else yet, but usually Steve Quayle has information well ahead of everybody else, but if this turns out to be confirmed, it means that Russia and China are tag-teaming what will become a major,
major continental war to push back against Ukraine and conquer Ukraine and keep going into Germany, into Poland, into, you know, eventually France and maybe Spain, maybe the whole United Kingdom.
I mean, who knows where this is going to go.
But during that process, It's kind of hard to imagine nuclear weapons not being used at some point.
So it seems like nukes are going to fly, which is a dreadful realization.
And, you know, the Western leaders are insane.
They're insane.
I mean, Putin comes across as the more cautious individual, believe it or not, at least in my view, whereas the Zelensky regime is such liars and so corrupt.
And did you see that Ukraine's government is threatening a five-year prison sentence for any citizen in the Donbass region that votes on the referendum to join Russia?
Because, you know, exercising democracy, I mean, Ukraine's supposed to be all about democracy and freedom and human rights, but you're not allowed to vote or you go to jail, right?
There's an indication right there.
Zelensky has eliminated all opposition political parties and opposition media.
There's no free press in Ukraine.
There's no freedom of even political parties.
There's no freedom to even vote now in Ukraine.
That's what we're defending?
That regime?
That seems crazy.
Frankly, you know, the Ukrainian people deserve better than Zelensky.
Tell you what, but then again, the American people deserve better than Biden.
And the British people deserve better than Liz Truss, right?
Did anybody even vote for her?
I don't even think anybody in the UK voted for Liz Truss.
That's just nuts.
But you get my point.
It looks like war is coming.
And it's hard to see it not going nuclear at some point.
And I'd like to invite you to just pause and think for a moment about what will happen to the world on the very first day that nuclear missiles fly.
It doesn't even matter who used them, right?
Let's say Russia launches them, or the UK launches them, or Germany launches them, or the US launches them.
Doesn't even matter.
But the very first day that there are nuclear detonations used in war, what do you think is going to happen to the world within, I don't know, hours?
Bank panic, right?
Banks closing, bail-ins, stock market panic, everybody panicking.
Gold going up 5,000% or something, or maybe not that much, but Gold going up, for sure.
Silver spiking, massive purchasing of storable food, and then everybody suddenly wants iodine, you know, and everybody wants to buy Geiger counters at that point, and so on.
I mean, the whole world will change, because that would be the first nuclear detonation used in wartime since, I think, was it 1945?
There hasn't been another nuke used in an act of war since 1945.
World War II, correct?
So I know there's been a lot of nuclear testing, but not used on the battlefield.
So this would just shatter the psyche of the people of the world, and it would cause mass panic in the financial markets, in commodities markets, energy markets.
Food markets, everything you can imagine.
Talk about a destabilization scheme.
Just one nuke going off, even just nuclear artillery, would destabilize the entire world.
And it would tend to bring down the more vulnerable economies.
And what are the vulnerable economies of the world?
Oh, the ones built on a house of cards of debt and money printing?
Hmm.
Which ones would those be?
Oh, America and the euro and the Japanese yen and all the Western nations, they're the most vulnerable because they've been running this financialization, you know, BS currency, just making it up as they go along.
Zombie economies, fake stock market valuations.
Heck, central banks are buying the stocks and the bonds.
It's incredible.
So one nuclear detonation would actually destabilize the entire financial coherence of Western civilization.
Now, I'm pretty sure that Putin knows this.
And I'm pretty sure that Western leaders, well, actually, they're not too smart.
Maybe they haven't figured this out yet.
But doesn't this provide an incentive for Putin to actually use a nuclear weapon, knowing that it would cause global destabilization of Western financial empires and probably result in the collapse of the dollar, or at least the petrodollar status?
It would accelerate global de-dollarization.
But Putin needs, he would need to be able to kind of explain why this You know, to justify it, right?
To have a reason.
You better have a good reason.
You used a nuke.
Why did you use it?
Because otherwise it would be global international condemnation.
It might be under any circumstances.
But what if Putin could come up with a scenario where he had to use it?
And it was self-defense.
Like, they came at me first.
I had to shoot.
Seems like that's what he's setting up, isn't it?
With the Donbass regions.
And I said there were two regions voting on the referendum.
Now I understand it's four.
Four areas of the Donbass that are voting to join Russia, and then Russia will say, that's Russia, that's us now.
And then if NATO attacks those regions, or if Ukraine does, then Russia can say, well, it's self-defense.
We had to use, you know, fill in the blanks.
We had to use these missiles.
We had to use thermobaric explosives.
We had to use maybe at some point nuclear artillery, whatever, because we were faced with an existential threat.
I can see that situation occurring.
And I can see a nuclear bomb going off.
And I can see Western civilization imploding, starting with the financial system and then leading to social chaos and lawlessness and then mass starvation and famine and all the things that Michael Yon talks about as well.
I can see it happening just like clockwork, like dominoes falling one after another.
So my message here today is get ready, get prepared.
You don't have to panic.
Because you're going to be prepared when all of this happens.
If it happens, let's pray it doesn't.
But if it does, you will be ready.
Meticulously dedicate yourself to being prepared.
Even more than you are now, plan on having to live off your food supply for many months because of the radiation fallout.
Plan on people panicking.
Plan on mass desperation and starvation among other people and think about the actions that they may take in that scenario.
Think about the collapse of the banking system.
And the need for alternative money, i.e.
gold and silver, alternative communications, you know, satellite comms, alternative forms of self-defense or, I don't know, mainstream forms, AR-15s and such, Glocks, whatever.
Think about all the things that we talk about.
Food self-reliance.
You're going to grow food?
At some point, you're going to have to if you want to live.
So continue to double down or triple down on your common sense preparedness strategies because we are approaching the highest risk of nuclear war that any of us have ever lived through.
I mean, we're there.
This is the highest risk of our lifetimes.
This is the highest risk since, I would say, the Cuban Missile Crisis.
That would have been the next most or highest risk event.
But since then, we haven't had any kind of risk like where we are right now.
And the markets are a house of cards.
They can topple.
Boom.
They can just fall so fast.
All that has to happen is that the psyche of the people is changed in an instant by something like a nuclear event and then everything tumbles.
And this might be exactly what the globalists want.
And I can even see the globalists I can see them detonating a nuclear weapon even in Ukraine somewhere or maybe in Poland and then just saying Russia did it.
I mean, they said Russia did it for four years during the Trump administration.
They blamed Russia for everything.
Did they not?
Of course they can do it again.
Anything.
Maybe they want the collapse.
Maybe they want the reset.
And then they can push everybody into a universal basic income under a central bank digital currency.
It'll be a digital wallet if you want to eat and not starve.
Just sign up and give us your iris scan and your fingerprint and your DNA and your nasal swab and whatever else they want and your social security number.
And then you too can have free universal basic income so that you don't starve to death.
Do you want to seriously sign up for that?
No.
So be prepared.
Be prepared to survive without it.
So that said, we're going to jump into the interview now with Carl Grossman.
And I don't think I'm even going to chime in on the other side of that because I'm probably way over time right now anyway.
I apologize for that.
It's just there's so much information to cover, and I want to make sure I hit all the most important points.
Folks, we're right here.
We're in the middle of World War.
I don't see anybody backing down.
I don't see cooler heads prevailing at all.
I see this going badly.
And for America as well as Western Europe, and also, of course, Ukraine, and frankly, the people of Russia will suffer as well.
Everybody suffers when there's war, and everybody really suffers if there's nuclear war.
The world is already suffering under the economic sanctions, the suicide sanctions placed upon Russia by the West.
Suicide sanctions.
How many people are going to starve to death in Western Europe right now because of those sanctions?
I mean, over the next winter, how many will starve?
Thousands?
Tens of thousands?
Hundreds of thousands?
Or freeze to death?
How many businesses will close?
How many people will be on the streets?
How many businesses will the German government have to bail out?
And then how will they bail all of those out when they're facing, quote, permanent deindustrialization?
Unbelievable.
These are tough times, folks.
Get prepared.
I will mention one plug, and that's because of the EcoFlow solar generators with the solar panels.
And these are really great for charging up small electronic devices such as flashlights and laptops, mobile phones.
Anything like that.
Batteries.
You can get those at the satellite phone store.
Sat123.com.
Just go there and scroll down.
You'll see them.
Those are the ones that I've tested and that I use.
They work really well.
And remember, the satellite phone store also has push-to-talk satellite walkie-talkies.
Now, they're not cheap.
And I think you've got to buy five of them at a time, so you need a team of five, really, to justify this.
And it's several thousand dollars.
But if you want push-to-talk satellite walkie-talkies that work via satellite over vast distances, obviously, because it's not even broadcasting a terrestrial radio signal, then you can get those, too, at the satellite phone store, sat123.com.
Alright, with that said, let's jump into this interview, and then I'll wish you a great weekend.
Be sure to check my channel this weekend for my interview with Michael Yon, plus other podcasts, depending on if...
You know, if all hell breaks loose today for some reason or tomorrow for some reason, then I will chime in.
I mean, if the internet still works, I'll chime in, okay?
So use the time wisely.
And now we're going to jump into the interview with Carl Grossman.
Here we go.
All right, welcome everybody to this highly anticipated interview.
I am absolutely thrilled to be joined tonight by a guest that I did not think that I would be able to find and get on so quickly.
Carl Grossman is an author.
He's an award-winning investigative reporter.
He's a full professor of journalism at the State University of New York.
He has been conducting and writing about investigations of Plum Island and many other issues, including nuclear power.
A pleasure.
Well, you have been making waves, to say the least, for quite a few years.
I ran across your material when I was researching Plum Island, actually, and the USDA and the DOD. And so I quoted you in a recent article.
Could you set the stage for our audience?
Give a little background of what you know about Plum Island and what it was used for and how it got transferred to, I think, Homeland Security.
I think that was in 2003.
A little overview of that, please.
Yeah, well, I began investigating Plum Island.
It's a little island, a mile and a quarter off Long Island, where I live, off the North Fork of Long Island.
And it was set up...
The facility added by the U.S. Army in 1953.
And, well, this is stuff that a newspaper on Long Island, Newsday, I used to work for the other major newspaper on Long Island, the Long Island Press, where I specialized in investigative reporting.
But Newsday was able, through the U.S. Freedom of Information Act, Well, get information regarding the original mission of the Plum Island Animal Disease Center.
And in fact, a facsimile document, a very, very important document, was posted on the front page of Newsday.
Let me, if I could, just...
This is the lead, the beginning of the Newsday story.
A 1950s military plan to cripple the Soviet economy by killing horses, cattle, and swine called for making biological warfare weapons out of exotic animal diseases at a Plum Island location.
Now, declassified Army records reveal.
And on that front page of Newsday was this facsimile.
What year was that published?
That was in, let's see, it was 1993.
1993.
And on the front page was, well, among the documents obtained through FOIA, One which states, Plum Island will permit the Chemical Corps, this is the Army Chemical Corps, to execute required projects in connection with imported agents and others of BW, which is Biological Warfare Significance.
So what you have here is a U.S. laboratory A federal facility set up, and this is again in the midst of the Cold War, to go after the livestock of the Soviet Union.
So this is a...
Strategically, this was being developed as a biological weapon to attack or to weaponize famine, in essence.
Yeah, in fact, that's why ultimately...
This army planned for what was more than a plan.
It was over a year.
This 1953 operation on Plum Island was ultimately canceled.
This is in 1954.
And, well, an excellent book on Plum Island.
I would suggest people get a hold of it.
I have it in my hand here.
It's Lab 257.
The Disturbing Story of the Government's Secret Plum Island Germ Laboratory.
And it was published by William Morrow.
It's authored by Michael Carroll, who's an attorney, actually a top-notch lawyer.
Well, I'm just looking here at the back of the dust jacket.
Here's Nelson DeMille.
The famous writer saying, if you lost sleep after reading The Hot Zone, then Michael Carroll's Lab 257 will keep you awake all night.
It's one of the best pieces of investigative reporting you'll read this year.
Lab 257 is must-reading for the post-9-11 world.
And here after that is...
Mario Cuomo, the former governor of New York.
In fact, Carroll was in his law firm.
Quote, if we're lucky, someone in the media will read this carefully researched, chilling expose of a potential catastrophe and force the government to do something about it.
Wow.
And here's Lowell Weicker.
He's a former U.S. senator and governor of Connecticut.
And Connecticut has just Well, 10 miles away from Plum Island, just across the Long Island Sound.
Lowell Weicker, Lab 257, proves that scientific fact on Plum Island can indeed be stranger than science fiction.
Mike Carroll has the uncanny ability to transport the reader inside the frightening world of Plum Island.
And the book was published in...
Let me just look at the publishing date of the book so we get it all very accurate.
Published, let's see, 2004.
So I have so many questions stemming from this.
So when you were first writing about this, you said you did not work for Newsday.
Newsday was a different paper than the one that you worked for, correct?
Yeah, I worked for the Daily Long Island Press.
Okay, Daily Long Island Press.
Oh, that would explain, yeah, I saw Daily Press as one of the sources on one of these articles.
Okay.
So, did you receive, at the time, did you receive a lot of pushback at the time?
Because, you know, in today's context, looking back, all of this that you're talking about makes a ton of sense when thinking about the Wuhan laboratory and, you know, SARS-CoV-2 bioweapons, the NIH, and all of that.
But back then...
Wasn't this considered pretty far out there, really fringe type of stuff?
Well, it's always been an island of mystery.
It was off limit, certainly when the Army ran it, and then it was transferred to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
Oh, and let me just insert here why.
And this was Mike Carroll came up with this.
This is...
Something I didn't really understand or know.
And it's in Lab 257.
And I'll just quote from the book how the mission ostensibly changed.
Mike writes, the Joint Chiefs of Staff found that a war with the USSR, Soviet Union, Wow.
Destroying the food supply meant having to feed millions of starving Russians after winning a war.
So that's why the mission shifted, though it's questionable as to whether it truly shifted.
In any case, I did investigative reporting at the Long Island Press.
Also, I had a column at the Press, which still runs decades and decades later in weekly newspapers on Long Island and on Long Island news sites.
And this is the kind of, well, he had an island of mystery.
And when you do investigative reporting, you try to get to a mystery, to expose a mystery.
And here was this little island.
And I had heard talk through the years.
Now we're going back to...
Early 70s, late 60s, and it was on my agenda as something that I wanted to expose.
And a pivotal event occurred as I was getting closer to what Plum Island was about.
This is 1971.
The Department of Agriculture decided to, for the first time, open Plum Island to the press.
Oh, the tour.
This is the tour.
What the Department of Agriculture really wanted to do was to dilute anything that I would end up writing about What's really going on on Plum Island by organizing a dog and pony show, inviting national reporters to a tour of Plum Island in 1971.
And the idea is they'd write these stories about all these wonderful things happening on Plum Island, and they wouldn't have the kind of background that I had in looking into Plum Island, and again, my work would be diluted.
However, the night before, I called the Department of Agriculture the PR operation the night before just to make sure everything was set up.
I'd meet These PR people with other reporters at a motel in a town called Greenport on Long Island.
And as we had this conversation and My attendance the next day was confirmed.
The PR guy said, hey, look, Grossman, you know, he was talking about my focus on biological warfare.
We do defensive biological warfare.
And rigging in my head was, what's the line between defensive and offensive?
But in any case, I started to, that night, I wrote a story about, for the first time, the Department of Agriculture has acknowledged that biological warfare research activities go on on Plum Island, but according to this PR guy, and I named him and so forth, of a defensive nature.
That was plastered over the front page of the Long Island Press, which had a circulation of 600,000 or 700,000 paper.
I mean, it was a major newspaper in the New York metropolitan area.
Next day...
Get to Greenport, go to Orient, which Orient Point is on the North Fork of Long Island.
The end of it is Orient Point.
Plum Island is just off Orient Point.
And we head out.
And again, it's a dog and pony show, but a little crazier than you could possibly imagine.
For example, as we went through the various laboratories, Well, it was a fairly frightening experience.
I mean, there you see animals dying, as they do all kinds of experiments and work with animal disease research.
And there were freezers in the hall, freezers, one after another, where various...
Various poisons, essentially.
Animal disease, viruses, and so forth.
So they were walking reporters right through our lambs?
Yeah, you had to take off all your clothes.
I mean, ultimately, you had to take...
It was showers.
You went through showers to kind of, what would be the word to...
Decontaminate.
Decontaminate you.
But you didn't have your regular clothes on as you walked through this area.
And well, again, a crazy...
And this was my story the following day, how this scientist in a white lab coat lifts a vial of foot-and-mouth disease virus And he comments that there's enough foot-and-mouth disease virus in this vial to kill all the cattle on Earth.
In fact, there's enough foot-and-mouth disease virus in this vial to kill all the cattle that have ever lived on Earth.
And I popped up, popped out.
I said, what do you need?
All that foot and mouth disease virus.
And like defensively, he said, well, it isn't for biological warfare.
It's not for biological warfare.
But I mean, it was like, it was kind of, it was mad science, frankly.
And in any case, the This little PR stunt, this horse and pony show that the Department of Agriculture had planned, got screwed up.
And I saw the original reason for military activity on Plum Island goes back to the Spanish-American War.
And a fort was built, Fort Terry it was called.
And on the eastern portion of Plum Island, it's like Corregidor.
There are these trenches where they had cannons.
And the fear was if a...
A Spanish fleet would be heading to New York City, going past Plum Island, then through the Long Island Sound, on its way to Manhattan.
They'd be able to intercept that fleet with these guns on Plum Island.
In any case, we were having lunch.
The reporters, the Dog and Pony Show reporters, and suddenly I see a clutch of some of these PR guys pointing at me.
And talking to each other, well, it turned out that my story at the Long Island Press was Well, it ran on the Associated Press wire.
So all over the nation, all over the world, was a story about how for the first time the U.S. Department of Agriculture has acknowledged that, well, the fence of biological warfare goes on, work goes on on Plum Island.
So that screwed up the dog and pony show.
I would guess so.
Yeah, they were probably having second thoughts.
They probably wish they would have invited someone who would just read scripts instead of asking questions like you do.
Yeah, well, I mean, I've visited Plum Island now three times.
That was the first time in 71.
The next time was in 1978 when there was, they have what they call negative pressure in this big lab building.
Yes.
So even if there's a hole is caused to break open and because of the negative pressure, everything stays in.
Well, that's what they said.
But in 1978, there was an accident.
Foot and mouth disease virus gets out, affects cattle on an outdoor pen.
Ultimately, they have to slaughter the cattle.
And that caused local officials on Long Island to demand that they be allowed at long last to go to Plum Island and find out what's going on on Plum Island.
And that was the second time I went.
The third time I went came, this was after Lyme disease, became a real problem on Long Island.
And Lyme disease, not too incidentally, is named after Lyme, Connecticut, just across the sound from Plum Island.
And Lyme disease was, I mean, suddenly people who I knew I had Lyme disease, and there was a book, an important book that I learned about and picked up.
It was published in 1982, Linking Plum Island to Lyme Disease.
It was written by, and he's still around, John Loftus.
He's an attorney, and he had worked for the Office of Special Investigations in the U.S. Department of Justice.
Pursuing Nazis.
Former Nazis, maybe, but Nazis.
And he, in this book, and I'm reading to you from the book, He tells of Nazi germ warfare scientists brought to the U.S. after World War II. Yes.
This is in something called Project Paperclip.
Yeah, Operation Paperclip.
Yeah, our audience knows all about that.
Right.
When Werner von Braun was born, 1,600 Nazi scientists and engineers were brought to this country who experimented, this I'm reading from Loftus, who experimented with poison ticks Drop from planes to spread rare diseases.
I have received Loftus Wright's information suggesting that the U.S. tested some of these poison ticks on the Plum Island artillery range during the early 1950s.
In any case, a couple of years later, then I start writing about this possible link between Plum and And the congressperson who then represented Eastern Long Island, Mike Forbes,
read my stuff and called me up and he said, And he would take me and John McDonald, who was the reporter who broke through the Freedom of Information Act, broke all this information about Plum Island's original mission to poison Soviet livestock and so forth.
So we go back to now Orient Point and Mike with the two of us in tow.
There are ferries that take the scientists and so forth and other employees of Plum Island back and forth from a U.S. government lot on Orient Point.
And he tells the captain of the ferry that I'm Congressman Mike Forbes and I'm going to Plum Island today and I want to go speak to the director.
And so forth.
And the captain, you know, said, oh, do you have permission?
Do you have that?
And Mike just bulldozed his way.
He was a tough and excellent, frankly, congressperson.
A conservative Republican, might I note.
Later he became a Democrat, but for either party he was a stand-up Person and government.
You don't find too many of them, but Mike was there.
He got us and Mike himself on that ferry.
We marched then to the director's office at Plum Island, and Mike insisted that he get all the records on Plum Island of experiments with ticks.
Hours went by, and various...
Officials on Plum Island and scientists on Plum ran around, and the claim was, after these hours, oh, we can't find any records.
It was so unbelievable to me.
I mean, the U.S. government keeps records of everything.
Well, and plus, in a science lab, record-keeping is a meticulous practice for lots of reasons.
If you're doing science and you don't keep records, then you're not doing science, right?
Oh, yeah.
Well, in any case, Mike persisted.
When he got back to Washington to get records, no way.
And just most recently, if I can note, we're jumping just a few years ago.
In 2019, another congressman who tried to get involved learning about a governmental point of view, exposing What's been going on at Plum Island and any connection to Lyme disease.
Let me read from Newsweek.
The headline, this is 2019, Pentagon may have released weaponized ticks that helped spread Lyme disease.
Investigation ordered was a headline in Newsweek.
The article below it was about how the U.S. House of Representatives have quietly passed a bill requiring the inspector general of the Department of Defense to conduct a review into whether the Pentagon experimented with ticks and other blood-sucking insects for use as biological weapons between 1950 and 1975.
And the article continued, if the inspector general finds such experiments occurred, then they must provide the House and Senate Armed Services Committees with a report of the research and so forth.
The measure was introduced by Representative Chris Smith, a New Jersey Republican who was inspired by several books, including Lab 257, and articles claiming that the U.S. government had conducted research at facilities and articles claiming that the U.S. government had conducted research at facilities such as Fort Detrick in Maryland and Plum Island, New York, for And again, it isn't just Mike Carroll, though Mike Carroll's book is a gem.
I mean, indeed, it's just what Mario Cuomo said, a chilling exposit.
But another book published, this is later, this is just actually in 2019, was Bitten.
The Secret History of Lyme Disease and Biological Weapons by a Stanford University science writer, Chris Newby.
And it includes interviews with Willie Bergdorfer, who is credited with having discovered the pathogen that causes Lyme disease.
So, I mean, here you have three solid books.
So, let me jump in here with some questions, because...
You know, it's also rather extraordinary.
So I think a lot of the work that you did as an investigative journalist, if you were to be doing that right now today in 2022, seemingly the quote fact checkers would come out and just blast everything you tried to write and no newspaper would publish it.
So you were able to do this in a time when asking questions and doing FOIA requests and getting that was still...
you know, allowed, which is interesting because right now, if you go online and you search for Lyme disease, biological weapon, all it is is page after page of so-called fact checkers that say, no, it's impossible.
It's not a biological weapon, but I think our audience and probably many millions of Americans, especially those in the Northeast, they are absolutely convinced that Lyme disease came from this facility.
Well, I'm convinced.
Yes.
Mike Carroll.
Yes.
In fact, he has a big chunk of Lab 257.
I mean, when I was a boy scout, I was an eagle scout, we used to go camping on On Long Island.
I grew up in Queens in New York City, but we'd go camping on Long Island.
My family used to camp at Wildwood State Park on Long Island.
My father was the scoutmaster.
Oh, nice.
There were dog ticks.
I mean, we knew about dog ticks.
We had to, with tweezers, take deer ticks.
I mean, it's said that there are versions of these very small little Ticks, deer ticks, but, you know, of various kinds.
But the sort that carries Lyme disease, that's new.
That is truly, I mean, Bergdorfer, again, he came up with the diagnosis, so to speak.
As to the government being uncooperative when it comes to doing investigative reporting, I want to talk about leaks next on this, which I think is where you're going.
Sorry to interrupt.
But even you mentioned the book Hot Zone, which described, I think, the Fort Detrick, Maryland research on primates that was a simian Ebola, if I'm not mistaken, that did escape and infected some of the researchers, but it wasn't spreadable by humans.
And they had to, quote, nuke that facility, right?
Yeah.
Does that ring a bell?
They had to kill every animal.
And when they say nuke it, they don't mean nuclear weapons.
They mean, you know, chemical, sterilizing the whole facility.
But does that...
Yes, go ahead.
Since my work, which continues, frankly, because this is not over.
I mean, right now...
I mean, again, I'm so happy to talk about this issue now because...
Right now, to replace Plum Island, the government has built, at a cost of $1.25 billion, what's called the National Bio and Agro Defense Facility, It's a level four facility, which is to replace Plum Island.
The concern about Plum Island after 9-11, and the Government Accountability Office did a number of reports on this, is that it's just sitting there.
It's right on...
The marine lanes between East and Long Island, like the ferry that goes from Orient Point to New London, Connecticut, passes right by Plum Island.
I mean, it's right there.
And so forth.
So after 9-11, The federal government became very concerned about terrorists getting onto Plum Island and getting possession of some of these toxic, poisonous stuff that they've been dealing with on Plum Island.
And importantly, too, and the Government Accountability Office notes this in its reports, some of these poisons carry over to humans, to people.
Oh, wow.
Right.
And they already showed you one vial can kill all the cattle on the planet.
And Boston is 60 miles to the northeast of Plum.
Manhattan is 100 miles to the west.
115.
But this is in the population center of the Northeast.
True.
So what happened was the Department of Homeland Security then takes over Plum Island.
Homeland Security now manages the island.
And...
Because this biosafety lab has been built in Manhattan, Kansas, in the middle of cattle country.
Oh, that's the one.
I know about that one.
People keep sending me those.
Yes, it's in Kansas.
It's a brilliant place.
To continue research on foot and mouth disease, which is cattle and stuff.
But nevertheless, some well-meaning environmentalists have been pushing to preserve Plum Island because, well, it's the natural, the island beyond Fort Terry is there.
It's pretty much undisturbed.
And beyond those Corregidor-like Trenches for the guns.
However, through the years, until actually relatively recent years, nothing ever left Plum Island.
When the folks there would do their experiments with animals, after they were done, they either incinerated them or just buried the garbage.
So the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation has found all kind of hazardous waste sites On Plum Island.
And furthermore, what some local politicians want to do on Long Island, led by a guy named Lee Zeldin, who is the congressperson from this district, which includes Plum Island.
He's now running for governor of New York.
What he and some very local town politicians want is to preserve Plum Island.
That sounds nice.
If you...
Ignore all these hazardous waste sites.
Right, right.
No, no.
Welcome to the Plum Island Tour.
Don't mind the cannons, the trenches, the buried biohazard waste, and the pathogens in the freezers.
Everything else is nice.
Well, I mean, it's like creating Love Canal National Park.
Right.
But beyond that, what these characters want to do, Zeldin and these other politicians want to do, is they want to keep the jobs safe.
On Plum Island.
So even though the federal government has shelled out over a billion dollars to build this replacement laboratory at a higher level, At four as opposed to three.
They want to keep this lab and ostensibly keep whatever it's been doing on Plum Island operating.
And I mean, that's happening right now.
And I think people should challenge whether there's lab on Plum Island and whatever it's been doing over the decades.
Not be allowed to continue there.
I mean, if they built this lab in Kansas, it's supposed to replace Plum Island.
It's supposed to...
Do the research on foot and mouth and African swine fever and so forth.
Well, if that's the plan, that's the plan.
And that's a whole other issue.
If I was working as an investigative reporter in Kansas, I would be right on the issues of safety protocols and all that stuff in regard to this national bio and agro-defense facility.
Well, and then there was a time over the summer when a lot of cattle died in Kansas.
And of course, the official explanation was that it was heat and dehydration.
And me being in Texas, I know a lot of cattle people, including cattle people who operate in Oklahoma and Kansas.
And they were texting me and saying, no, the official explanation doesn't make any sense.
Because if cattle died of heat, they would die at different times on different days.
But all these cattle, thousands of them died all on the same 24-hour window.
So there was a lot of speculation from that of what had happened.
And that's why people were texting me about that.
And I haven't drawn any conclusions.
We don't know.
But I agree with you, Carl, that If I were a reporter there in Kansas, I would be looking into that hard.
Because I think what you've established in the other books you mentioned, Lab 257, Bitten, Hot Zone, even, was that Richard Preston?
Is that the author of that one?
All of these books, I think, exhaustively established that these labs leak.
They leak.
I mean, you've written about that quite a lot.
What...
If you could summarize that situation to our audience, how would you do so?
Well, it's, you know, accidents happen.
And when you're dealing with toxic biotechnology, you're talking about huge impacts.
Just go back to Kansas.
I don't think that, but I don't know.
I'm not in Kansas.
As Dorothy said.
Right.
We're not back in Kansas.
We're not in Kansas anymore, that's for sure.
I've been to Manhattan, Kansas.
In fact, this lab is on the campus of University of Kansas.
When you go into the airport in Manhattan, Kansas, there's a...
A little statue of a famous writer, Damon Runyon, who apparently came from New York City Guys and Dolls, was based on his work from Manhattan, Kansas.
Just two other things which really can't be missed.
The origin of Plum Island, and this was dug up by Mike Carroll, not by me and not by John McDonnell, but by Mike Carroll.
The origin of Plum Island involves talking about Nazi scientists and Project Paperclip.
Well, among the scientists that were brought here after the war to Under this paperclip operation to assist the U.S. in...
Well, in all kinds.
I mean, Wernher von Braun.
Rocketry, aerospace, everything.
Well, Wernher von Braun, he and his...
These were engineers and scientists who worked on the V-2 rocket.
Yes.
And they went to the Redstone Army arsenal in Alabama, and they developed for the U.S. government essentially a version of the V-2 rocket, V for Vengeance, called the Redstone rocket, which was capable of...
Of the first U.S. rocket capable of carrying a nuclear bomb, nuclear weapon.
In any case, with the Plum Island situation, it was a scientist named, Nazi scientist named Eric Trout.
And again, Mike Carroll dug all this stuff up from the National Archives.
A lawyer, he was...
I suppose, better accustomed to going through a place like the National Archives than just a plain old investigative reporter.
And what he found out was Trout, who had background on Long Island here in New York in the 30s, He had studied at the Rockefeller Institute and also was involved in Nazi activity here on Long Island.
There was a place in Japan, Long Island, called Camp Siegfried, which the Bund set up as a parade grounds for Nazis from the New York metropolitan area.
Really?
Surrounded by a A community of Nazis' streets like Hitler Street.
Wow.
That is crazy.
In any case, Traub...
He would go there regularly, be involved.
He was involved in Nazi-born activities.
During the war, he goes back to his homeland, Nazi Germany, and he's given the assignment.
He worked directly under Himmler.
I mean, again, Mike, in detail in Lab 257, provides information about this.
And he was assigned to, on an island in the Baltic, the island of Reims, develop Biological warfare to be used against Soviet livestock.
Wow.
So after the war, he came...
And Mike writes about the possibility at that point of the use of ticks.
In any case, he comes back after the war.
He goes to Fort Detrick.
He's his buddies there.
Fort Detrick being the Center for...
For years of biological and chemical warfare activities for the U.S. Army and convinces them that the U.S. set up a little island laboratory like he had on Reims to develop biological warfare to use against Soviet livestock.
So, I mean, there it is.
I mean, there you have...
He is considered the father of...
The father of Plum Island.
Also just, and this is very important too, this is my competitor newspaper years ago called Newsday.
Newsday in 1977 ran a story by, in addition to John McDonnell, a superb investigative reporter.
These two fellows, also superb Newsday investigative reporters, Drew Featherston and John Cummings, they wrote about how African swine fever Had suddenly broken out in Cuba, and hundreds of thousands of swine had to be slaughtered, and what they do is connect African swine fever with Plum Island.
They explained that African swine fever...
Just didn't exist anywhere in the Western Hemisphere other than on Plum Island where experiments, research was being done with it.
And then they connect the dots how a container of African swine fever was brought by boat to Cuba from...
A CIA base in what was then the Canal Zone in Panama.
So when that guy told me originally in 1971, we only do defensive biological warfare research here.
I mean, what happened with Cuba and African swine fever, that doesn't sound too defensive to me.
Well, no, exactly.
And I know that For example, COVID hasn't been your focus, but this is the exact same story that we're told by Fauci and the NIAID and so on, and NIH grants, is that, well, we needed to fund the Wuhan lab in China, which is literally run by the People's Liberation Army, by the way, you know, the Chinese military.
They said we had to fund that because we had to have defensive...
We had to do gain-of-function research, you know, adding toxic attributes or bioweaponized attributes because we needed to study this for defensive purposes.
And, you know, early in 2020 and even in 2021, it was verboten for anyone to say that that came out of a lab, that COVID came from a lab.
Now, the Lancet just recently published a paper that said absolutely it could have come from the lab.
I'll get to my question here in a second, but I think the overall question in people's minds is that...
Are we really dealing with, are these all just natural, spontaneous, you know, emerging threats like West Nile virus and bird flu?
Or are some of these things, or perhaps even many of them, actually built and then they get out, like you just said?
And there's also like Rift Valley fever, I think, and things like that.
And there was a Zika virus.
I think there's a lot less trust right now in any of these institutions based on what people just went through with COVID. What are your thoughts on that?
Well, when COVID first broke out, my first thought was And the Wuhan laboratory was cited as a possible source, and then the claim quickly was that there was bats sold in the food market.
Right.
My first thought was, because of my experience with Plum Island, hey, was it an accident or was it some sort of...
Again, I believe it's completely necessary to expose the origins of COVID-19, considering that it's become a...
I mean, how many people have died now worldwide?
And the economic implications of all the lockdowns destroyed communities.
Yeah.
This is horrible these past two years because of this disease.
I mean, I was teaching for two years with Zoom, teaching with a mask on, and the students had...
I mean, what we went through and the fear...
And I've known people who have died.
From COVID-19.
Some wonderful people I know.
A guy named Sam Markowitz.
It was a great Newsday reporter.
Old friend.
One of the earliest victims here on Long Island of COVID-19.
But I've been to China.
And if you think it's difficult, years ago or now, to expose inner workings of secretive government activities, Or corporate activities, too.
You can't blame it all on government.
That's right.
Big business and, frankly, big government have a lot in common in terms of The lack of sense.
Oh, clearly.
At the highest level.
But to...
I remember opening up...
It was an English-language newspaper in Beijing.
First morning there.
And the story was...
I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but I'm close to what...
The glorious prime minister in a wonderful presentation yesterday.
I mean, the media there...
They're really, well, they're not...
In the United States, we have this ideal that we should have a press that challenges authority.
I teach this, that you'd have three branches of government.
Executive, the legislative, judicial, and then a free press, which would challenge the whole kit and caboodle.
Well, I'm glad you're teaching that, Carl, because we don't see many examples of that in the media today, right?
It's just reading official press releases so much.
Well, I don't know.
I think the press has done an excellent job, and I'm talking here the mainstream press, with what Trump does.
I mean, these new books that are coming out during the Trump administration, and I'm not being partisan here, because as a journalist, I am not partisan.
I'm enrolled in no political party.
Nobody can say I'm a Democrat or Republican.
I'm an equal opportunity critic.
I'll take them all on.
I've written critical things about Big things about the push...
Nuclear power.
You've covered pollution, nuclear power, and how corporations disregard their responsibility to the biosphere, frankly.
Well, it's what you want to do.
Originally, it was called crusading journalism.
Benjamin Franklin and James Franklin and...
You know, John Peter Zenger, and this goes way back before there even was the United States, and the Muckrakers, 1900 to 1914.
Incredible.
Ida Tarbell and Lincoln Steffens and so forth.
And in my generation, obviously Watergate and Woodward and Bernstein, but what you were mentioning before about the difficulty of getting information from the government, well, just for an example,
that bill that was passed by the House of Representatives, Representative Chris Smithsville looking into a government connection, looking into a connection by government between Plum Island and Lyme disease.
Well, it's passed in the House of Representatives a couple of times, but it can't get through the Senate like somebody's been able to get through the Senate.
So, you know...
It's a real challenge, often, and it's always been that way.
This is nothing new.
And if you do investigative reporting, you just barrel ahead, and they'll come after you.
They'll try to stop you like Nixon tried to stop Woodward and Bernstein, his administration, but you just keep going.
You're committed to I'll give you a corny story.
I became a journalist.
It was an internship in college.
I went to Antioch College in Ohio, and I interned, and I was all of 18, at the Cleveland Press.
And above the entrance, corny story of the Cleveland Press was its motto.
It's the motto of the Scripps Howard chain.
Give the people the light.
And they'll find their own way.
And it's the obligation, it's the commitment of journalists, and particularly investigative journalists, but all journalists, to give people the light.
Not tell them to be didactic, but to give them the light, to give them the information and have them find their own way.
In fact, when I saw those investigative reporters at the Cleveland Press I was just a copy boy.
But when you, well, when you'd work at night, you'd handle phone calls, and it was a story about Cleveland, you gave it to the city desk.
Suburbs, you gave it to the suburban desk, something about Shaker Heights.
But if it was a horror story, you gave it to these investigative reporters, about 12 of them there, a dozen of them there.
And amazing to me as a kid was that the documentation of the information and its publication, maybe six weeks later, maybe a month later, I was able about half the time to resolve the problem.
Actually, I came back to New York, where I'm from, with my girlfriend, who was from Long Island.
This is 63 years ago.
We've been married together for well over 60 years and focused on becoming an investigative reporter, which I did.
And now not only do I continue to do it in books, on TV, I've done it on radio, in newspapers, now a lot on the internet.
And just let me say, too, you was talking about the difficulty of publishing.
I think now with the internet, with websites like Counterpunch, and there's a bunch of investigative...
I write a lot for Counterpunch.
Excellent, excellent website.
I suggest that listeners go to Counterpunch.
Every day publishes one blockbuster expose after another.
Nation of Change, a wonderful website.
And stuff that I might have had to go through years ago filters at a magazine and be subject to, I don't know, again, journalists are not supposed to Particularly take sides politically, but just be there to give light so people can find their own way.
These days, I'll send my piece to Nation of Change or to Counterpunch or to other websites, but particularly those two I love.
Op-Ed News is a great one, too.
I can go on.
There's so many of them.
And man...
Half an hour later or the next morning, boom, my piece is there and it can be read not just like when I was in Cleveland.
Those folks wrote to an audience in Cleveland.
Now, and as an investigative reporter working at the Internet, You could reach the world.
You know, my TV show, the Enviro Close-Up with Carl Grossman, and people want to see my programs, just go to envirovideo.com, envirovideo.com, and there are hundreds and hundreds of programs I've done since 1991.
Yeah, I'd like to...
Let me give out some of your work here.
Your website is carlgrossman.com, and that's Carl with a K. And then you've got a book called Cover-Up, What You're Not Supposed to Know About Nuclear Power.
That's available online.
And other books.
You've done, what, is it seven books that you've written?
Seven books.
And just let me note with Cover-Up, all kinds of information.
And I use government documents that I've obtained, some with the Freedom of Information Act and corporate records.
And I publish them in the book as facsimiles.
So nobody could accuse me of taking things out of context.
And if you want that book, you can get it for free.
Just go out of the goodwill and community support of my publisher.
Just go to carlgrossman.com.
And my website, and just click on books.
Okay.
And that'll take you to the book page, and then you can download the entire book, cover up what you're not supposed to know about nuclear power.
And these are things that people still don't know.
Oh, yeah.
Published in 1980 for free.
Wow, for free.
Okay.
So that's at carlgrossman.com.
And we're a little bit over time already, Mr.
Grossman, but I want to just say I really, really honor the process that you have described of what you do and how you do it.
And asking questions, digging, not being afraid to take criticism and so on.
And I got to say, you know, our audience is going to love to hear this message because the people listening to this or watching this, they're full of questions too.
They do not trust corporations and they do not trust governments, both.
They have just as much disdain for, let's say, Monsanto, well, now Bayer, as they might for any government or any political party.
Our audience tends to be They tend to be more conservative just in terms of their personal ethics, but not loyalist to any party, rather loyalty to humanity.
You know what I mean by that?
I know exactly what you mean.
Yeah, it's principles that matter.
Yeah.
We're skeptics.
We're critics.
We're critical thinkers.
Lifelong critical thinkers.
And we're not easily swayed by corporate promises or press releases or whatever.
I guess we're old and jaded now.
Maybe that's the best description of what we're...
Because we've seen it all at this point.
You've seen a lot, too.
Well, marvelously, in this country, for all its faults, and there are many faults, the founders of this republic, this democratic country, they figured out you needed a free press, again, challenging authority.
And the muckrakers took on...
When these trusts, these huge corporations arose, the muckrakers took...
I mean, originally the founders were thinking of the press challenging governmental power, but then you had all this corporate power, and the muckrakers...
We're flexible enough in the United States, in the press, to expand the original mission.
I think, too, these days, it's not just big government, not just big business, the corporations and so forth, but it's also big science.
Yes, exactly.
There are these strings of national nuclear laboratories Around this country.
They grew out of a Manhattan Project, the crash program to build atomic bombs.
Oak Ridge National Laboratory and Los Alamos National Laboratory and Lawrence Livermore.
And The whole drive for nuclear power has to do...
I mean, some say it had to do with those scientists after the war and the bombs were dropped and Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they felt guilt.
So they looked for atoms for peace.
My research, my investigations show it was greed.
They wanted to keep the money flowing, the corporations, GE and Westinghouse, major contractors during the Manhattan Project, and so forth.
So...
Big business, big government, big science.
In fact, in his farewell address, Dwight Eisenhower is quoted as talking about the military-industrial complex.
Yes, we're very familiar with that speech.
The original draft, and you Google this, and you can see all kind of confirmation from what I'm saying now.
The original draft, the original speech, was beware of the military-industrial-scientific complex.
Oh, was it?
And his science advisor was so upset that they knocked that out.
Now, I'm not saying at all that science is wrong or bad.
Science is so important.
It's a key.
Many of our advances...
And it's also the key to many things that have been our downfall, that have been our downfall, and it's so necessary that, like that scientist at Plum Island, all the foot-and-mouth disease virus kill all the cattle it ever lived on.
That kind of science, mad science, absolutely has to be challenged.
A science for profit that hurts people, or science...
At a national laboratory, it might necessarily hurt people.
That must be challenged.
Yes.
Yes, exactly.
Science has to be tied to ethics.
We'll talk again soon, and this will be posted in less than 12 hours.
Great.
Okay.
Well, have a wonderful night, or whatever's left of the night, but have a wonderful night.
Thank you, Mike.
Okay.
All right.
Take care then.
Bye-bye.
Bye.
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