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Sept. 21, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
01:42:45
Mark Baker fought the government's food extermination agenda...
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All right.
Welcome, folks.
Mike Adams here with, I think, a really exciting interview, someone that I interviewed first about a decade ago.
His name is Mark Baker.
He was in the Air Force for 20 years, and he retired from the Air Force.
He bought a farm in Michigan, and he has become really a community leader in teaching people how to farm.
And he's had run-ins with the Michigan Department of Agriculture, I believe, back in 2011, where they tried to get him to destroy his pigs because they had certain characteristics.
And this was the first time any of us had ever heard about that a decade ago.
Now, of course, they're doing it all over Europe, in the Netherlands, telling farmers, you have to slaughter your cows and cull your herds because of nitrogen.
Well, let me tell you, my guest here, Mark Baker, encountered this first in the United States 10 years ago.
In fact, in Michigan, his websites are first bakersgreenacres.com, which is all about his farm.
And then he's got another website that teaches you how to farm.
He's got a membership there if you want to join his community and learn how to farm.
And it's called The anyonecanfarmexperience.com.
And we'll give that out again at least one more time.
Mark Baker, sir, it's an honor to have you back on.
Thank you for joining me, and thank you for all that you're doing to help teach people self-reliance.
Great honor to have you on.
Well, thanks a lot, Mike.
It's an honor to be on your show.
It's good to hear your voice.
Well, absolutely.
I can't believe it's been a decade since we talked last time.
I mean, literally 10 years, and yet what we went through with you 10 years ago is happening to the whole world right now.
Can you give our audience a quick background summary of what you went through with the Michigan Department of Agriculture and then trying to get you to kill all your pigs?
Okay, real quick.
In 2011, we were notified by the Department of Agriculture that they wanted us to depopulate our pigs.
And they said that our pigs were feral pigs.
And so we contacted them and we wanted to correct them that, hey, there's no way these are feral pigs because they're behind our fences.
Yes.
They said, oh, no, we have what's called a declaratory ruling that we made up and it's got characteristics in there.
And if your pigs have any of the characteristics, then they are feral.
Were these characteristics like fur color, spots, or what?
What are they talking about?
It was nine characteristics, and...
One of them was if your pig has a straight tail, then it's a feral pig.
And then if your pig has a curly tail, it's a feral pig.
And then if your pig is brown and has hair, it's a feral pig.
And, you know, stuff like that.
It was all real weird nebulous stuff.
One of them was pigs with distinct skeletal structures.
Whoa.
But they didn't give any qualifiers.
And then the ninth one, which was always my favorite, it was other characteristics not currently known to the Department of Natural Resources.
Wait a second.
So they can make it up as they go?
This sounds like the ATF trying to ban arm braces, frankly.
Yeah.
Whatever we think.
See, this is why I contacted you, because I think I figured out what they are doing, what they are up to, and how they do it.
It didn't make sense on its face, and we tried to straighten them out.
I had just come out of uniform, so I felt like I could...
I could talk to them as a peer and like, you guys need to get this straightened out.
But they knew that it was gibberish, but they do it on purpose.
And see, this is where I'm starting to understand why they do it.
It's to confuse people, almost like a spell.
And it worked, too.
It confused farmers, and a lot of farmers just depopulated their animals.
What do you think is...
Why is the Michigan government, or at least why did they then, in your view, what was their motivation behind this?
Did they just want to disrupt the food supply, or did they just want to mess with farmers?
What are they after?
Well, at the time, we tried to figure that out.
They said that they were trying to protect the environment.
Right.
They thought we were going to have a situation like you guys have in Texas with feral pigs, which there's no way.
We have too much snow.
The animals just can't survive through the winter.
And so it was strange that all of the lobbying groups like the Michigan pork producers and Michigan turkey producers and Michigan chicken producers and so on.
They all signed on to it.
So it was industrial agriculture that was supporting it.
Wow.
We never really found out who originated it.
We took Department of Agriculture to course and tried to get the straight answers out of them, but they just wouldn't give it up.
So wait a second.
The industrial producers of pork might have seen the small local farmers as being, well, their competition.
And they don't want small local farmers to have their own locally produced pork because that competes with their factory pork.
basically.
Is that correct?
Well, I think that's part of it, but I'm not sure that was the main mover.
See, because now, in retrospect, like now in 2022, we're looking and we're seeing the commander-in-chief saying, well, there's going to be food shortages.
Well, I think that they're creating food shortages, and I think that everything that they do, they plan it out well in advance.
And this...
The declaratory ruling that they came out with 10 years ago was for this time.
What they were going to do, Mike, was it was even written into the declaratory ruling that any animal that is not a native species to the area is a feral animal.
Whoa, wait a second.
I mean, that's huge.
That would cut out...
That was huge.
You know, I mean, cows aren't even native to the area by definition.
Right.
And at the time, we thought, well, that is a huge bite.
There's no way they can get that done.
But see, what they do, and this is what they've done to the guys in Holland, is they'll say, you can't have black and white cows because they're not native.
Right.
Unless you have permission from us.
It's sort of to do with concealed carry permits.
They say, yeah, you have the right to own and bear arms, so long as we say so.
Right, permitting, yeah.
So that's really how they get our freedoms from us, is they contract it away.
They get us to give it up via contract.
Right, but...
I'm sorry, you're cutting out just a little bit there.
But let me ask you this question.
So do you find it or did you find it odd that you spent 20 years serving America in the Air Force and thinking, you know, gosh, when I retire, like my country is going to thank me for my service and I'm going to go to this farm and do my own thing.
And this is America.
I've got my freedom.
How shocked were you to find that your own government turned against you?
At the time, I was extremely shocked, and I was hurt, and I was disgusted by them.
I don't feel that way anymore, right?
I don't.
And here's why.
The Department of Agriculture, they take their best shot.
You know, they're up against a rock and a hard place, like between us and then their masters.
They don't serve us, the public.
But they're also up against the American citizen who has constitutional rights.
So if we know our constitutional rights...
And we are willing to pull that sword and take a swing with it.
It works.
And I'm the guy that's here to tell you that it works.
But we cannot expect the Department of Agriculture weenies to do the work for us.
Because they're building to industrial agriculture, not the citizenry.
So, they're not privately held anywhere.
The Department of Agriculture is privately held.
They're a department.
Okay, that's a whole question I want to ask you about.
But first, so let me just continue this.
So what you've done since then is you have not only developed your own farm, which I understand is an 80-acre farm.
You produce beef, pork, poultry.
You've got your own processing facilities, apparently.
And then you also teach other people how to do this, correct?
Yes, that's correct.
So, has it been fulfilling for you to be in this role now, teaching people self-reliance and living off the land and using God's gifts to humanity to be more self-reliant?
Yeah, it's kind of a biblical principle.
If I give a man a fish, I feed him for a day.
If I teach him to fish, I feed him for a lifetime.
So there was an incident that happened in one of our court appearances with the Department of Agriculture, and it was their number two guy.
He's the number two vet for the state.
And he said in a court of law that farming is not for the amateurs, that we...
Should be leaving farming to guys like him that have been through college.
Oh, really?
Yeah, yeah.
And that got kind of a little titter in the courtroom.
The judge even kind of laughed at that one.
But this guy was totally serious.
And talking about that around the campfire that night or maybe a couple days later, we likened it to that movie Ratatouille where the, you know, there's The chef that owned the restaurant...
I don't know.
Did you ever see that movie?
I did, yeah.
It's an animation, right?
Yeah, it's an animation.
And the chef that owned the restaurant always said, anyone can cook.
And he died.
And then another chef took over, a sleazy little guy.
And he tried to corner it.
He tried to corner the market.
And then the way it played out was a rat wound up being a cook on the head of a...
But anyway, that's where we coined the phrase, anyone can farm.
And it was a jab back at them, because what they really want to do is they want to put all farming in the hands of industrial agriculture.
And now we see that if all farming was in the hands of industrial agriculture, it's sort of like...
Oh, digital money or an electric car or a lot of other things.
They can shut it off.
Well, I'm thinking about medicine because you used to have country doctors who knew what they were doing.
Now you have institutionalized licensed doctors and they pull their licenses if they prescribe ivermectin, right?
So the whole medical establishment is controlled and apparently they want to do that with farming as well to make sure you have a license to farm.
That's what it sounds like.
That's it.
That's it.
That's exactly the direction that they were going.
And I got to tell you, if I want to recruit anybody to help me with farming, I am certainly not going to go to the nearest university.
I mean, those kids don't have any clue how to farm.
No, they don't.
You need the kids that actually didn't go to the university who are going to be the best farmers.
Right.
Well, you know how you hear different commentators say that we need to have like parallel processes going.
So you have your government processes, the universities and all that stuff, which are failing, by the way.
And they wouldn't even be on the map if it weren't for government subsidies.
But then we need to have our own parallel operation.
And we can do that under our constitution.
No one can stop me from farming.
That's the beauty of what I've discovered.
My constitution is still in place.
It is still a bright sword.
And we're lucky enough to have hit that press the test button during our court case, and it worked.
I wasn't sure.
We had lawyers that we had hired, and that seemed to be the way to go.
I'd never been involved with the court system or anything like that in my prior line of work.
And so we hired a lawyer and hired actually three of them.
And we wound up having to ditch two of them.
And the third one wasn't much better.
They compromised with the state is what they did.
And she wound up quitting because I wouldn't compromise.
I just said the Fifth Amendment is really clear that my property belongs to me.
And just because they come up with...
You know, a ruling, and it's a department anyway, it wasn't law, that they try to scare you into complying with their ruling.
You may remember, first they said they were going to arrest me, and so I waited that day, and there's a lot of background there that I'd love to share with you sometime offline.
They never showed up.
Then they said they were going to put my kids in state custody after I was arrested.
So that was supposed to scare me, but it just irritated me.
And then they sent me a letter saying that they were going to seek fines of $700,000 against my farm, $10,000 per animal, and I had 70 pigs at the time.
And that really irritated me, but I knew that they couldn't get it.
So each time they drew a new line in the sand, I would step over it.
And I knew that they kept drawing lines that they didn't have what it took to arrest me because they didn't have the law.
I hadn't broken any laws.
I had just broken one of their little face mask mandates, you know, that we see now.
Right.
Right.
And we ignored them and just refused to comply.
And finally, they moved for dismissal.
And they said, we no longer have a problem with Mark's picks.
Oh, really?
Despite all those nine characteristics or ten or whatever it was?
Yeah.
Wow.
Years and a whole lot of dollars spent on lobbyists and legal and All those things.
Okay, so let me jump in here.
As you were talking, now, For the folks listening here, I want to tell you that I haven't spoken with Mark for 10 years.
And I just learned about Mark's website here five minutes before the interview.
The one's called the anyonecanfarmexperience.com.
But I want to help plug what you're doing here, Mark.
And folks, Mark Baker is not an advertiser.
He's not an affiliate deal.
But Mark has a membership.
I think you can start.
It looks like 99 cents.
He's got farm workshops.
He's got video courses.
He's got all these things about fencing, how to make biochar, rabbit processing, chicken processing.
And then, Mark, it seems like you've got something coming up.
It says November 4th through 6th, on-site, a three-day hands-on class at your farm.
Is that coming up?
Yeah, this is going to be our 12th year.
It's called the Anyone Can Farm Homestead Hog Harvest.
So we start with live pigs, 16-person class, and we end up on the third day with hams and sausages and bacon and all the cuts and stuff.
And it's a really good tool for the homesteader to have.
Because, see, Mike, that's a choke point.
We've seen that.
We saw that during the woo flu.
They choked down animal processing.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Anytime something happens, we know that it's planned.
And all you have to do is watch what they're doing and you can figure out where the ambush has come.
It's always an ambush.
They look up and then they try to make a move on us.
And what they tried to do was they tried to really choke down food processing.
And they were successful to a point.
I have a friend that has a USDA shop.
He's a retired Marine.
And his USDA inspector came down with the Wu flu, although he wasn't sick.
He had no symptoms, but he's sick.
And they had to shut the facility down for 10 days to clean it.
And my friend being a Marine, he kind of barked a little at him and they said, okay, how about 90 days?
And they shut him down for 90 days.
Wow.
He had no inspector there, so he could not operate.
Wow.
Well, yeah, we saw that nationwide, right?
So they would shut down entire operations.
In California as well, they would send, I don't know, state COVID enforcers to all the meat plants, and they'd just send everybody home, shut them down.
And then the meat supply collapsed.
And you know they can just do it again at any time for any reason.
They can just claim.
That's the thing.
These pandemics are invisible.
They don't have to have any proof.
They just say it.
Oh, there's a new H9N7 flu, lizard flu, whatever.
They just make it up.
And then they're like, you got to kill all your animals.
Yeah.
Right.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah, they actually tried it this summer.
They said that the bird flu was back.
And they advised us that we should not raise chickens out on pasture.
And, you know, we take shots at them any chance we get to run down the effectiveness of the Department of Agriculture.
And I do it gleefully because it's war.
I mean, they really want to starve us.
You know, the commander-in-chief comes out and he says, oh, there's going to be food shortages.
I refer to him loosely as the commander-in-chief, but he is the one that said it.
Biden is the one that said it.
And you would think the Department of Agriculture, oh, they should be pulling all the farmers together and saying, okay, we've got to come up with a plan to feed our citizens.
But they're not.
They're saying, oh, you shouldn't raise chickens this year.
So we know that they're not...
We know they do not have the best interest of the public.
If they want to change that, if they want to change the perception that they put out there, they should do it.
And I will start taking shots at them, but I'm just calling them the way I see it.
Well, check this out, Mark.
I covered this yesterday, but the USDA, I'd like to get your comment on this because it's so insane, but the USDA is airdropping from helicopters vaccine food bait It's supposed to be rabies vaccines in the wild across 13 states.
And they're also doing it in cities by throwing vaccine bait out the windows of vehicles.
This is actually admitted by the USDA, and it's in the media.
And then I looked up the material safety data sheet on this vaccine, and it says hazardous if ingested.
But they use fish meal It's like carpet bombing the wildlife.
Yeah.
Well, at this point, I don't think anything should surprise us.
I mean, it's like Vietnam in America by the USDA. I just, yeah, I can't believe it either.
But then again, yeah.
Vietnam, you know, if you really acknowledge that we are in a war right now, we are in a war, we should not be surprised.
True.
True.
Yeah, we are in a war, and actually, it's kind of an economic blockade war, right?
Yeah.
Or it's like in the medieval days, they would surround the castle, and they would salt the fields, and you couldn't grow any food.
So it's siege warfare, really.
Yeah, it is.
It's hearts and minds.
It's definitely special operations warfare.
Wild.
So, how many people have you taught, then, over the time you've been doing this?
I don't know how many years you've been doing this, but...
This is going to be our 12th year.
Early on, we didn't have many people come.
There wasn't much interest.
But as soon as...
When the Wu flu came, people started to sit up and take notice that maybe my food supply is something that I need to be responsible for.
It's not a very hard sell right now to inform people that they should be the solution in this problem that we're facing.
Even if You know, the president is just blowing smoke.
He could be.
You still really need to have a handle on this.
This is part of being human is to secure your own food.
Well, and I think the evidence is very clear.
People have already seen shortages.
They've seen food inflation.
And they've also seen a reduction in the available diversity of food items.
So maybe there used to be five varieties of something, and now there's only one.
Or a pack of bacon used to be $4, and now it's $7.
That kind of thing.
People are seeing that firsthand.
Right.
Yeah, and the quality of the food that's in the stores right now is not good.
If the USDA will drop indiscriminate vaccine packs into the woods, they're going to allow things into the food supply that we should not be eating as human beings.
Yeah, true.
True.
But isn't it interesting that their stamp...
That allows beef, let's say, to go into distribution for retail, and yet they would say that your kind of operation maybe doesn't meet the same standards, because you're not rigorously inspected.
But I'm sure your animals probably have more of a real-world natural experience than factory farms.
Right.
Right?
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah, so the good news is there is a fix.
You know, there is a solution on these things.
And the solution really is, it's up to us.
I guess we all hope that, you know, somebody's going to come along and save us.
But that never happens.
It needs to be us that gets our process together and learns how to take care of our food supply.
Yeah, I love that attitude.
You're exactly right.
This is not a time to sit back and wait to be saved by someone when you should be planting food, folks, or learning these skills, or getting land, and maybe making compost, making soil.
Just get started on any of these things.
You can be more self-reliant.
In addition to the animals, do you grow vegetables or orchards or anything else like that?
I do everything that I want to do.
So I have fruit trees.
I have nut trees.
I have a big vegetable, actually two big vegetable gardens.
I grow feed for my animals.
I grow lots and lots of hay that I cut.
I've got several acres, about 60 acres.
We're at 152 acres now.
We've expanded.
Oh wow.
60 acres of woods that I'm developing right now and I'm gonna get some fish in the pond out there.
I really want to develop that.
So today I'm in Maryland right now visiting my son who's in the Air Force and we went to Mount Vernon and it was real interesting to see what George Washington was all about.
Now he was a farmer first And he was drawn into military service.
But his passion was in farming.
So I got to see all the things that he did.
And he was doing everything from wood cutting and sawing to fishing to vegetable production to beef production, hog production, chicken production.
He was a farmer at heart.
And we've...
We've kind of lost that, but we can definitely pick that back up.
I mean, there's a lot of people who come to me from very high education career fields and they say, no, I want to change my lifestyle.
I want to farm.
I want to have my hands in the dirt.
I want to live intentionally.
I want to feed my family.
Yeah.
We were kind of sold, my age group anyway, I just turned 62.
I was sold on...
Big paychecks, you know, a lot of money in the bank.
And even when I got out of the Air Force, I thought, now's the time I can make the big money and do all that stuff.
But I found, and I never even really got there, but I did know people that had lots and lots of money.
And it was overrated, for sure.
I mean, I'm a whole lot happier just milking a couple of cows and having my knees in the dirt when I'm Weeding the garden.
I'm just as happy as I would be if I had millions of dollars, I think.
So quality is definitely there when you're farming, and a lot of people want that.
No, I hear you, too.
I mean, there are days of our store, for example, when we have a lot of sales on certain days, and it's like, well, hey, we earned a lot of money.
And then, yeah, but I still got to clean out the chicken house here, so let me grab a rake, and then we're going to get that done.
And it doesn't change anything, you know?
I mean, money isn't real.
It's like, okay, numbers...
You know, on a screen somewhere, but whatever.
I still need to tend to my dogs, my donkeys, my goats, my chickens.
I gotta probably deal with snakes.
And right now we have like three possums that are stealing our chicken eggs during the day.
I'm trying to deal with opossums.
And it's like, you know, somebody would say, well, why are you doing that, Mike?
You don't need to be a farm boy.
Because I like living with animals.
I like living in nature.
I like a rural lifestyle.
I do this because I like it.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think there's sort of a vacuum in the human heart.
And it's very fulfilling.
Yeah.
To produce your own food.
I think we're designed to do this.
Yes, indeed.
Now, okay, let me ask you another question about food.
Oh, gosh, we're getting close to being out of time here, but I got to ask you this.
So...
Of course, one of the big globalist attacks is on meat.
And the globalists are saying, no, you should just grow vegetables.
And that's it.
Now, I experimented with veganism many years ago.
And I think I did 90 days as a vegan, by the way.
And that was tough.
What have you observed directly about people trying to be self-reliant With meat or without meat?
In your observation, can people live without any animals in the farm ecosystem?
Oh, no.
No, no.
You gotta have...
I mean, to have an effective homestead, an effective system, food production system, you gotta have that animal in there, the flora and the fauna.
That was a design.
And then there are ways that you, you know, because sometimes we have more cows per acre than you would have in nature.
So you have to do some adjusting for that.
But no, I don't think you can get away from meat.
I think the human body needs meat.
Myself, I went the other direction.
Maybe you've heard of Sean Baker?
No.
He's the carnivore guy.
Oh.
I did an interview with him and at the time I was cutting a beef in our butcher shop and I thought everything that he's saying makes sense.
So I went carnivore.
Oh, wow.
For four months.
So I would eat like a big, big steak at about two o'clock in the afternoon and I have nothing else but water and salt.
That's all I ate for about four months.
Wow.
Like 30 pounds.
And no more naps in the afternoon and the ringing in my ears went away.
A whole bunch of stuff.
A lot of inflammation in my joints went away.
And I was in good shape, but I just thought, well, you get to be 58 years old and that's what happens.
But no, meat is something that we need, especially grass-fed meat because...
If we're eating beef that's eating grain that's sprayed down with glyphosate, we're actually eating a cow that's been made sick by the glyphosate.
That's right, and concentrating that, too.
Yeah, so we don't want that because it'll make us sick, or it'll just prevent our bodies from being able to break down You know, the food that we put in it.
Right.
Well, and let me share with you what I learned, because I've lived in Texas, you know, more than a decade.
But since living in Texas and observing, because I, you know, observe nature a lot, and I observe cows, a lot of the cattle herds by all the different ranchers around Central Texas.
And what I've come to find is that if you want to be, quote, green on this planet, One of the best ways to turn land that is barely usable into a food source is to have cattle.
Because the cattle go out and they find their own food.
They're mobile.
They find their own water.
You don't have to bring them food if you've got...
I mean, you might have to bale some hay just seasonally.
But you might not, depending on the rain situation.
But cattle turn land that's useless into something that actually provides a food source.
And that's sustainable.
That's green.
Like, that's actually an eco-friendly use of the land.
And I never saw it that way before I lived in Texas, but now I see it every day.
Yeah, the environment that we live in, the creation that we live in, is, let's see, the best way to put it is it's regenerative, right?
So the land out there might have been Beat up over the years, but then when you get cattle on it and they disturb it, they'll break it open so that seeds can germinate and come up.
So, when the seeds germinate and the grasses come up, the grasses can absorb the solar gain, and you actually get better with time with the use of cattle on grasslands. and you actually get better with time with the use It's opposite of what people think.
They think that grazing is bad.
No, grazing is good for your fields.
I mean, you're exactly right, but it also depends on the pattern of grazing.
Because I've seen chronic overgrazing, which does destroy fields, but what you're talking about, I think, is kind of short-term intensive grazing, and then you move them off, and then boom, you get this explosion of new plants that never could compete for the sunlight before.
Yeah.
Yeah, it takes a little bit of education and being able to observe what's going on out there.
But yeah, we move our cows every day.
And I don't even bale feed for them, or I'm not feeding them baled feed until only six months out of the year do they get baled hay.
The rest of their grazing.
That's pretty remarkable for Michigan.
Yeah, well, you can push them, and then they'll paw down through the snow, and they'll get the grass that we've left them there.
Yeah, they're incredibly resilient.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, it's remarkable, and they're way stronger and tougher than we are.
Because I teach preparedness and survival, and I try to teach people how to grow food.
And I also warn people that, hey, if you have a bucket of seeds...
And, you know, get ready.
If the system collapses and you don't have some way to multiply your effort with a tractor or something, you're going to work.
I mean, you're going to work like you've never worked before.
You may die working, trying to grow enough food to not starve.
It's that hard.
Yeah.
Well, homesteading is a compilation of processes.
And if you can master a bunch of small processes, then you can become a better and better homesteader.
We live in a really abundant world, but we just have to know the techniques to unlock that abundance from the creation that we've been given.
Well said.
Yeah, I think you're exactly right.
And I've heard of farming and ranching as really energy management more than anything else.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, you know, there's a lot of...
I referred to spells and incantations before, like with straight tails, curly tails.
But there's other ones, too, that we hear.
And one of them is, there ain't no money in farming.
You hear people say it all the time.
So...
Good people don't go into farming because they've heard their whole lives, there ain't no money in farming.
That's not true.
Farming is where wealth is produced.
If I take a tomato seed, it has very little value.
I don't even know what it would be, a hundredth of a penny maybe.
But if I put it in soil and have sunlight hitting it and some water, I could get a bushel of tomatoes off that that could be worth $25.
So that's true wealth creation.
We're not moving it from one place to another.
We're creating it.
You've nailed it.
Yeah.
And let me add to that.
I'm sorry.
I don't mean to talk over you, but I think there's a slight delay.
The thing about that is that right now, with electricity prices going through the roof and food prices going through the roof, the amount of economic abundance that you can get by growing tomatoes, like you just said, Mark, with free sunshine and perhaps some free rain and dirt that costs almost nothing, now you're creating economic wealth.
And the other factor is that Those things that fall out of the sky cannot be taxed.
They haven't figured out how to tax the sunlight or tax the rainfall.
Maybe they can tax your dirt with a property tax, but if you're in a rural situation, it's usually not very much.
You're creating wealth tax-free by growing food.
Oh, yeah.
It's like owning a printing press and you're printing dollars.
Right.
It really is.
If we went through the numbers on butchering, say for instance, it...
It boggles the mind, one cow, once that cow is broken down into cuts, what it becomes worth.
And it's amazing to me that only illegal immigrants and low-paid people are the ones that actually do the butchering.
It just amazes me because it is such a wealth-creating career field.
And it's artistic in a lot of ways.
I mean, you have to love the creation that you're working with, even though you're taking their life.
But yeah, that statement, there ain't no money in farming, that is a spell.
Yeah.
Right, right.
Kind of a black magic brainwashing by the establishment.
What were you saying?
I'm sorry.
It is a spell.
It's an incantation.
Another one is There Ain't No Free Lunch.
You've heard that one.
But I don't pay for the sunlight.
I don't pay for the rain that comes down.
And the whole process of photosynthesis, I don't pay for that.
I manage it somewhat, but it's very little that I actually do.
That's why I say we live in such an abundant creation.
For instance, I keep pigs and they will have two farrowings per year.
They'll have babies twice a year and sometimes they'll have 10 each.
I have very little in that sow.
I don't vote on her anymore.
And she was a baby a couple years ago before I got her impregnated and she became a sow.
So once you get your farming operation going, it is just creating wealth very quickly.
And then you can vertically integrate it to where you're actually butchering on the farm and marketing off the farm.
You can do really well with it.
And then from there, we kind of get into the whole, well, I thought that we had to go through the USDA and the Department of Agriculture and all that stuff.
And we teach a lot of that, too.
It really is optional in this country because of our Constitution.
And that's probably a conversation for another time.
Yeah, I hope we get a chance to talk more.
I mean, this is really fascinating.
I regret that we've got to wrap this up here, but I feel like we've only scratched the surface, Mark, and I think our audience would love to hear more from you again soon.
Oh, I'd love to come on your show, Mike.
Oh, absolutely.
Love to have you back on.
Let me just plug your website for you, too, by the way.
Theanyonecanfarmexperience.com And you've got a membership thing there.
You've got...
Do you want to describe, actually, for us?
Because I'm just reading off your website.
You tell us.
What do people get?
Theanyonecanfarmexperience is...
An entity that's designed to motivate and empower and get people psyched.
Kind of what I'm doing now is telling you, hey, farming's a good thing to be in.
You should do it.
And then explain to people, I didn't start out where I am now.
It took me a while to get here, and I was part-time for a long time, and I worked my way up, and there was people that helped me, and we're here to help other people do it, too.
But then there's the membership.
If you...
Help finance it for us, like all the work that we put into it.
We're fronting that and we'd kind of like to get paid for that.
My son helps me with this and he does all the video work.
There's the PLUS membership and you pay for that, but then you get all the videos and All the stuff that's there.
The courses, the how-to.
Yeah.
And there's a lot more stuff coming because we're filming every week on how to do things.
If you can't come to the class that we put on in the fall, we actually put on several classes in the fall.
But if you couldn't come to one, maybe you'd want to purchase one of the video classes and kind of work along with it.
That would be doable.
It'd be better than nothing.
Right.
Right.
Okay.
All right.
So people can go to your website and find out what all is offered.
And it's a...
What is that?
It looks like it's $14.99 a month.
Yep.
And the first month is like 99 cents or something, or the first three days.
99 cents.
Okay.
Okay.
Two nights a week on YouTube.
It's the Anyone Can Farm Experience YouTube.
It's a live chat.
Tuesday night, I just go on about whatever I want to talk about that night.
And then on Thursday night, we interview people who are New farmers or old farmers or anywhere in between.
Last week we interviewed an accountant to talk about S-Corps and, you know, LLCs and all that stuff.
And then next week we're going to be talking about PM8s, which is the hot new thing.
It's definitely a constitutional thing that you're going to want to sit in on.
But that's 8 o'clock Tuesday night.
Eastern Standard Time, the Anyone Can Farm Experience YouTube.
Okay.
And PMAs, is that the private membership thing that I'm talking about?
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm just starting to hear about that, too.
I'd like to learn more.
Yeah.
We should all know more about it.
That's what the DNC is and the RNC and the Boy Scouts.
They've kind of kept it from us.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Well, Mark, it has been fascinating.
We will definitely do this again.
I appreciate you sharing all this with me, and I'm glad that we've reconnected after all these years, and I'm glad that you and I are both still helping people become more free and more self-reliant in many different ways.
It's an honor to know you.
You too, Mike, man.
I've followed you for years.
Years.
Well, I'm still here doing what I'm doing, too.
Now, I haven't figured out how to butcher any animals.
If I raise pigs, I would turn them all into pets.
I've got all these pets, but I don't know.
Maybe you and I can have a conversation about how do I break through that in cases of survival.
I wave at the wild hogs when I'm out walking.
Hi, piggy, piggy.
And there's like 50 of them.
Like, hey, how you doing?
They just run away.
I was just out in your neck of the woods last January.
We were in Elford.
Yeah.
Texas.
And we did a class out there.
It's anyone can farm on the road class.
So we went to another farm and they get a crowd together.
And then me and my wife do the class, you know, on location there.
And it was a complete success.
We met so many cool people.
You know, you get a group of people that pay money to come and learn how to butcher a pig.
That's a group you want to be in with right there.
I would do that.
I would pay money to learn how to butcher a pig.
It would be the hardest thing that I've ever done because I have such a heart for animals, but I need to understand that Native American relationship.
I'm part Native American, and I need to understand that spiritual relationship a little more.
For now, I'm just waving at the pigs.
Well, do you travel?
No.
I do not, but in any case, we'll have another conversation about that later on.
In the meantime, you take care of yourself.
Thanks for sharing all this with us.
Will do.
Thanks for having me on.
Absolutely.
Have a great night, Mark.
All right.
You too, Mike.
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