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Sept. 19, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Bill Petty tells Mike Adams why "official" explanation of WTC 7 isn't possible...
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Welcome, folks, to the interview segment today.
We are joined by Bill Petty, who is an analyst and researcher, a truth seeker.
We're going to talk about facts about Building 7, by the way.
But Bill Petty is a retired general contractor.
He's been studying this, and he's got a lot of really outstanding explanations to help us understand what happened on September 11th, 2001.
If you can believe it, 21 years ago, most Americans don't even realize there was a third building that fell.
And that was not hit by an airplane.
And that it fell almost perfectly in its own footprint, as if there were a demolition team that had worked on it.
But we'll ask questions like that.
Bill Petty joins us to cover all the things you may not have known about Building 7, or World Trade Center 7 as it's known, WTC7. Mr.
Petty, thank you so much for joining us today.
This is going to be a really intriguing conversation.
Yeah, it's my pleasure.
Glad to be here.
Well, absolutely.
Bill, and again, just thank you so much.
And let's start with the basics.
I know you wanted to talk about maybe laying the groundwork figuratively and perhaps literally here for how are structures built so that people understand what we're dealing with here.
Yeah, well, first of all, I'm not an architect or engineer, and I never build a skyscraper, but I do build I was involved in construction for a number of years, and I have a basic understanding of how construction works.
So I thought maybe we'll start off and just talk about how you build just a regular house.
Obviously, the first thing you do is you have to have a foundation.
And now a foundation can be a block.
It can be poured concrete.
It can be a slab.
There's a lot of different ways to do it.
But the idea is that the foundation...
It's going to hold up the house.
It's going to hold the weight of the house.
It's going to keep the house from tipping over or collapsing or whatever.
So you start with a foundation.
Oh, now, I'm sorry to interject, but for skyscrapers, the foundations, aren't they typically very large diameter pillars of concrete and rebar that are built very far down into the ground?
Yes.
There are things called caissons that go down in the ground, and they'll go down Hundreds of feet in some cases.
They have to hit bedrock.
They can't just be floating.
And that was kind of interesting.
Back in 1893 at the Chicago Exposition, they had to build some large buildings.
And they couldn't dig down deep enough to get to bedrock.
So they built this steel matrix.
And basically they floated it on the ground.
And it worked.
But the point is...
You have to have a foundation that's not going to move.
No matter what the situation is, like Jesus said, you build a house on a rock.
You have to build it on something that's solid, and the key is it can't move.
So when you have a large skyscraper, yeah, you're going to have a lot of pylons going down deep in the ground and they're going to hit solid ground and they're not going to move.
So when you build a regular house, you don't have to go down that deep.
What you're building is you're building a footprint that's big enough to hold the house and the weight of the house.
Okay, so that's crucial.
Okay, so once your foundation is done, then you frame it and you put bottom plates on and the bottom plates are bolted To the foundation so that if a big, strong wind ever came up and tried to lift the house, it couldn't be lifted off the foundation.
And that's why you have the bolts on those.
Right, because a home is like a giant sail, too.
There's a lot of wind area.
And that's another thing.
When they build these skyscrapers, they build them to handle 100-mile-an-hour winds.
So, yeah, that's part of it.
That's part of the lateral strength.
You have the vertical...
The gravitational strength, the up and down, but you also have the lateral side to side.
The Twin Towers, for example, were built specifically to withstand a direct hit of a Boeing 747 going 500 miles an hour.
That's just one small little factoid.
But when you're building a house, you have your foundation, you build your bottom plate, and then you put your studs, and you put a top plate on that.
And then what you do is, along the side of the wall, you notch out and you put a one by six diagonally on the outside.
It's called a wind brace.
And that helps hold all the studs together, and it keeps it from racking, because you don't want to get out of square.
You want to be square, and you want to be plumb.
Plumb just means straight up and down, okay?
Level is horizontal.
Plumb is up and down.
So you build your rectangle, and then you put a double top plate on it, and then you set your floor joists for the second floor on top of the top plate, all right?
And so...
You know, they're attached and then you put your rafters on or you use truss or whatever for your roof.
So the whole thing's all connected together and all screwed together and nailed together.
Then you put siding on.
You get the siding on whether it's vertical siding or lap siding or whatever kind of siding you want or it's brick or whatever the case may be.
You put siding on and then on the inside you put drywall.
Every time you add one more part to this building, it gets stronger.
If you just have the studs, that's one thing.
You have the outside, then you have the inside.
As you build this house, it gets stronger and stronger and stronger.
It holds up.
It holds up very well.
That's really the thing that you have to understand about construction.
Whether it's a house, it could be a doghouse or it could be a house.
200-foot skyscraper.
It doesn't make any difference.
It's the same principle.
It's the same thing.
You have a superstructure, and then you have an outside coating or whatever it's going to be, whether it's brick or there's concrete or whatever it is, and you have the inside.
So you have a whole unit that's all tied together, and it holds together.
Let me just add that the rigidity increases with each one of those, as you say, because I've seen this in barn construction.
So you put up all the metal framing first, and that metal framing could sway a little bit because there's some flex.
There's some heat expansion when the sun hits it and so on.
But by the time you get the skin, the metal skin, which is like a zinc...
I forgot what the brand name is, but it's like a zinc alloy R-panel sheeting that screws in to all the purlins and everything all around the barn.
Then, man, that sucker is rigid, and it's not going to twist or torque at all.
Just like you said, that gives it rigidity.
Right, right.
On the outside of the house, they typically use plywood.
You put plywood on, and you put siding over the plywood.
So you're exactly right.
It's rigid, it's strong, and it's all tied together.
And that's the most important thing.
So when you look at Building 7, Building 7 was built by people who knew what they were doing.
It was designed by people who knew what they were doing.
And it was not designed to fail, that's for sure.
And the interesting thing that a lot of people don't realize is that prior to 9-11, A skyscraper had never collapsed because of fire, ever.
Right.
And, you know, there was just a fire here in China a couple days ago, and I was watching it, and it was just, it was a huge blast.
I saw that, yeah, like half the building was on fire.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But guess what?
It didn't fall down.
It didn't fall into its own footprint.
It didn't even tip over.
So these...
Just to give you an idea, I'm kind of bouncing around here a little bit and I apologize, but I'm thinking about the columns in building number seven were like 14 inches.
The web was 14 inches on them.
The weight was 720 pounds a foot.
The total weight of all of the iron in building number seven was 40,000 tons.
Wow.
That's 40,000 tons of steel.
Yeah.
Okay, so you got 40,000 tons of steel, and these are thick.
These are huge.
The columns are huge, the girders and the beams, and I'll explain the difference between a girder and a beam in a minute, but this was a well-constructed building, and it was...
It was almost 300 feet wide, and that's going to be important when I talk about how NIST described the collapse.
Okay, so one of the things that people have said, NIST said, well, there wasn't an explosion.
Well, it turns out that there was a company that checked seismic happenings, and they were able to determine that 10 seconds before the building collapsed, there was a huge seismic event in that area.
Also, there was a guy named Barry Jennings, another man named Michael Hess, who were in the building in the morning, about 8 o'clock in the morning.
They were there because the building was also part of the New York City Emergency Center.
So Rudy Giuliani, by all rights, should have been there, but he wasn't.
And nobody else, no other officials were.
Just these two guys, they didn't get the memo, apparently.
They went up to the 23rd floor.
They were up there, and then the power went out, so they came down the stairs.
When they got down to the 8th floor, there was an explosion inside the building that knocked them down.
They were stranded on the 8th floor until around noon when the fire department came and rescued them.
From that point on, there wasn't anybody in that building.
So this internal explosion is the theory of analysts, is that this was the...
These were pillars being exploded from within with placed charges?
I don't know on that because it was a long time before it collapsed after that.
So it wasn't like, boom, and then in a few seconds it fell?
Well, no.
The seismic one that they did, that was at 520.
Okay.
They were already gone.
But the point was, there were some explosions, and sometimes they'll do preliminary explosions because they do things in sequence.
But I can't say that that explosion was what made the building fall.
But there were explosions at the time, and there were people outside that heard them.
There was a guy by the name of Kevin McFadden, who was a responder.
And he heard explosions right before it fell.
And he also, interestingly, there was a workman there who had a walkie-talkie, and he heard somebody going, three, two, one, and people were saying, back off, back off, this building's ready.
And they used the word blow.
It's about ready to blow.
It's going to fall.
But there was an anonymous engineer that called and talked to Chief Hayden, Around 11.30 or 12 that day who said that he expected the building to fall in five hours.
Now, how would he possibly know that?
Nobody ever in history has fallen because of fire.
Right.
So let's talk about structural failure here for a second because it's important for people to understand.
So this building was not hit by an airplane.
So there was not jet fuel on fire in this building.
There was an office fire, essentially.
Yes.
Which is office combustibles, paper, furniture, desks, folders, and things like that.
Now, firefighters know that those materials reach a very specific temperature based on how much oxygen is available, how enclosed the space is, and so on.
And we also know that steel does melt at some temperature.
Steel can also be treated with fire-retardant types of coatings and so on.
Based on your research, the office combustibles, was this hot enough to essentially weaken the steel to the point of structural failure?
If so, how could it have weakened the steel everywhere in the building all at the same time?
That's an excellent question.
There was fire on 10 floors.
And they were not huge fires.
And the fire that is most important is the fire that was on the 12th floor up in the east corner of the building.
And that was the fire that supposedly caused the damage on the Gerger on the 13th floor to cause it to fall.
So, no, the fire didn't get hot enough.
And as a matter of fact, the fire, they have pictures of the building that And the fires were out on the 12th floor 90 minutes before the building fell.
So it just couldn't have been the fire.
Steel doesn't even start to warp or bend a little bit until 1400 degrees Fahrenheit or about 600 degrees centigrade.
And office fires just don't get that hot.
So, plus, they were all sprayed with insulation, which really, you know...
You put those two facts together, and the likelihood of these members, these steel members, doing what they said they'd do is impossible.
It's just not going to happen.
Well, and also the vertical pillars that supported the building.
I understand WTC7 was built very differently from the Twin Towers, but World Trade Center 7 didn't have these large vertical pillars, and that means...
You know, they're concrete with rebar.
The concrete, you know, what temperature does it take to liquefy concrete?
I remember talking about, like, volcano temperatures or something.
Yeah, that's an excellent question.
There were 82 posts, pillars, posts, however you want to term them, and there was 24 core and 58 on the outside.
And these were these huge, huge, just behemoth...
There's no way in the world if you have a 47-story building and you have fires on 10 floors and they're not – and the thing about an office fire, they don't last very long.
They last somewhere between 20 and 30 minutes typically because they run out of fuel.
Right, right.
The desks burn, the papers burn, whatever.
There's nothing left to burn.
There was some diesel fuel down in the very low part of the building, but even NIST had no effect on it.
Now, what is NIST that you're referring to?
Oh, NIST is the National Institute of Standards and Technology.
They are a government agency, and they were tasked with investigating the fall of all three towers.
Okay.
So, here's another interesting fact, too, just to throw it out there.
In the UK, a few years ago, they built a building, an eight-story building, and they set it on fire deliberately just to see how the steel would react.
And guess what?
They heated it up to 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit, which is above the point where steel starts to warp, starts to bend a little bit.
But the building didn't collapse and it held its structure.
There was some warping, but it didn't collapse.
Yeah, haven't there been many other building fires in the last 20 years?
I mean, you just mentioned one in China the other day.
But many other building fires, and I can't think of one that suffered a simultaneous structural collapse of all the support columns and fell into its own footprint.
That has not happened since, has it?
In 1988, there was a building in Los Angeles.
It burned for three and a half hours on five floors, no collapse.
In 1991, a Philadelphia building burned for 18 hours.
In 2009, you might have heard this one, the Mandarin Tower in China.
It was that kind of weird-shaped building.
It was really wide at the bottom, and it kind of narrowed to the top.
It burned.
I watched that.
The entire building was engulfed in flames.
Not only did it not collapse, they didn't tear it down, and it's in use today.
They renovated it.
Okay.
And plus, if a building gets weakened, it's theoretically as possible that it could tip to one side or it could tip over.
I've seen controlled demolitions that didn't work.
The building just fell over, but it stayed intact.
Because the thing, you know, it's an art.
It's an art and a science.
I mean, these people that demolished these buildings, the first time they did it, I think, was in 1935.
And they used thermite, which is another issue with this whole thing, because they found a lot of thermite particles in the dust all throughout New York City afterwards.
But before that, they used to use a wrecking ball.
You've probably seen those.
They're just going to bang the building down with this giant, just swing this heavy ball and just bang it down.
And then somebody figured out, well, hey, if we use dynamite and we use, they're called cutter charges, and they cut the steel at a 45-degree angle, and they reach temperatures at 4,500 degrees Fahrenheit instantly.
And they just cut through the steel members like a hot knife through butter.
With the explosives.
Basically shaped charges, right?
Exactly.
You're exactly right.
They're shaped charges.
They attach them to the post, the pillar, whatever you want to call it, the column.
And what they'll do is they synchronize them.
And so a lot of times you'll hear a lot of explosions, which is another thing when it comes to the Twin Towers.
There was multiple people saying, I heard all the explosions.
I heard a boom, boom, boom, boom, boom all the way down.
So that's something to be expected.
And just for our listeners, there's a sequencing that's necessary for demolition to be more coordinated.
So, at least from what I've seen, you want to first demolish the inner pillars, right?
And then the outer ones last so that the building falls within itself.
Yes, exactly.
You're exactly right.
You want the inner, because if the inner ones start to fall, they pull the outer ones in, and then the whole thing falls down.
Yeah, you're exactly right.
And then that minimizes damage to other nearby buildings.
So, you know, normally in a planned demolition, like a Las Vegas hotel that they're taking down, They obviously want to minimize damage to nearby structures, and that's how they do that.
You don't want a building to blow up the left side, and the whole thing falls over to the left, and you've got 21 stories crashing down for five blocks, right?
Exactly.
And like I said, I actually saw a video of where they messed up, and it did.
It just fell right over.
Yeah, causing a lot of damage.
Yes, and a lot of consternation, no doubt.
Okay, so...
Let's talk more specifically about what NIST, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, claimed happened on 9-11.
And bear in mind, the very first thing that just stands out for anybody that's looking at this, and it's not something you can't run away from this, you can't hide from it, you can't pretend it didn't happen.
For the first 2.25 seconds, The building fell at absolute free-fall speed.
That's eight stories.
That's 100 feet.
Okay, the only way that something can fall at free-fall is if there's absolutely nothing underneath it.
That's right.
There's no resistance.
None.
Zero.
Okay, so they want us to believe that there was this progressive collapse of the building And all of a sudden, not a single column was left to even remotely slow down the collapse of the building.
It's just insane.
If that were true, they would have to order all buildings, all skyscrapers in the country, to be evacuated and non-usable, because that means the entire...
The pillars of engineering would no longer be viable, right?
Obviously, I get the feeling that you have done some research on this as well, and you've read some of the things of Architects and Engineers for Truth, because that's a very good point that they have made.
And if that's true, as you say, that means that all the skyscrapers are unsafe and that the building codes should be changed.
Ah, exactly, exactly.
But I'm unaware of any building code being changed because of this.
So that's just one more little point that's important.
So what they said was basically, and I sent pictures to you in the...
From the study from Halsey, it was up in the east corner.
When you see the thing collapse, there's this penthouse, the little one that goes down first.
If you've ever seen the drop before, there's two penthouses.
There's a smaller one.
On the very east, and then there's...
Because when we watch it collapse, we see it from the north, okay?
All the pictures from the collapse are taken from the north.
Okay.
And there's a little penthouse on the left, and there's a bigger one in the middle.
And that drops, and about seven seconds later, then the whole building starts to collapse.
And so what they said was, well, what happened there was that on the 13th floor, on column 79...
There was a girder attached to it.
Now, what girders are, you have girders and beams, and the girders connect to the columns.
So all the columns are connected with girders.
In between the girders, you have beams, and they're connected to the girders.
So the girders are horizontal between the columns?
Yes.
The columns are vertical, the girders are horizontal, and the beams are also horizontal.
But their beams are attached to the girders.
So let's say you had two beams, and they're 30 feet apart, and then you had a girder attached between the two of them.
And then you had the beams coming off that in both directions attached to other girders, other beams that were lined up with yours.
So that's basically how the building is built.
And they're all bolted together.
It's a pretty solid structure.
And then what they do is they pour concrete floors.
And the concrete floors are anywhere from 8 to 10 inches thick.
And they have these things called shear studs.
Now, shear studs, they're almost like large nails sticking up on the top of the gergers and the beams.
And what that does is when you pour the concrete, the concrete surrounds around it, and that holds the concrete.
That's back to my original explanation of as you build a building, it gets stronger and stronger as you build it because you keep adding components, right?
So the component of the shear studs is it holds the concrete.
The concrete's poured around the shear studs so that nothing can move.
Just curious, but what's holding up the concrete floor?
Is there like a template or are there support beams just temporary that go down to the floor beneath it to hold up the floor?
No, they have a steel corrugated floor and they pour it on top of that.
And it holds up all that concrete?
Yeah.
That's some strong stuff.
Yeah, it is.
Because that's, I mean, 8 to 10 inches of concrete is heavy, heavy stuff.
I know, I know, I know.
So anyway, and then, you know, after it was all, you know, as they were building, they sprayed all of it, as I mentioned, with insulation, right?
So it's all protected.
So like fireproofing, like heat insulation.
Yeah.
Absolutely, it's fireproofing.
The idea is you don't want the heat to get so hot that it starts to make the steel expand, because that's the thing that NIST said happened.
So what they said was there was a girder attached to...
Column 79 and also column 44, which is one of the outside columns, okay?
So, 79 was an internal column.
I may be wrong on that, but 44, I know it was number 44.
And what they said happened was the heat got so intense, and oh, by the way, they had a heat map that they showed, and Most people that know fires and understand how fires work say, well, that hate man, it doesn't look right.
Can we see your data?
They won't share any of their data that they use to make any of their simulations at all.
And the reason they say it's national security.
And right now, the architects and engineers are suing them for things they call corrections.
Because, just bear in mind, I said that the building fell a free fall for 2.5, 2.25 seconds, right?
They didn't, when NIST did their preliminary report, their first draft report, they didn't have that in there.
And there was a science teacher, a physics, high school physics teacher named David Chandler, who did, he has some software so he could time the collapse.
And he gave that information, and they had to say, oh, yeah, I guess there was freefall in there.
And they come up with some cockamamie thing.
Well, you know, that was after it was.
Well, we know the government's very good at creating these false narratives.
For example, TWA Flight 800.
It's clear now that was shot down accidentally by the U.S. Navy during a missile test.
They thought they were shooting at a drone.
They actually shot down Flight 800, and then, of course, they came up with this cockamamie explanation.
Oh, there was a fuel leak, and the fuel went down in a straight line, and then it ignited at the bottom, and then it looked like a missile.
They were drawing from Star Trek science fiction to try to explain Flight 800.
So I have no doubt, Building 7, I mean, whatever they need to come up with, but it violates the laws of physics, you know, their explanations.
Right.
Yeah, well, back to 800, I mean, they have affidavits from people on the ground.
And I think one of them was even an FBI agent.
They said, I saw a streak coming from the ground up and hit the plane.
Yes.
Yeah.
See, that's the problem.
They have witnesses.
They don't like what they have to say, so they don't get in the reports.
Like Secretary Mineta, who was in the bunker on 9-11 and listened to Cheney and this unidentified young man and saying, well, it's 30 miles out.
Does the order still stand?
Yes.
The funny one is, well, it's 10 miles out.
And he asked Cheney, well, is the order still standing?
He says, have you heard anything different?
Yeah, well, what was that order?
Because nobody engaged these planes.
I mean, the NORAD was just totally hapless, but that's a whole other...
Right.
I want to stay on 7.
Yeah, let's stay on 7, but I need you to...
I mean, we're almost out of time already, so I want you to kind of highlight and summarize this.
Okay, okay.
And also mention architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth, too, because there are a lot of engineers there who have done all the math on this, but go ahead.
Yeah, they're great.
So anyway...
It was supposedly a progressive collapse and what happened was the beams expanded and they pushed the girder off and the girder fell down on the 12th floor and there was a cascade down to the 5th floor.
And then what happened then was Because none of those girders were any longer attached to Column 79.
Column 79 buckled, and it collapsed, and it started a chain reaction.
It went 300 feet across the width of the building instantaneously.
So bear in mind, all these other members, they had the shear studs, they had the concrete, They were all, you know, put together, bolted together, you know, but they all failed because this one column failed.
And so that's basically their argument.
That's their explanation for it.
There's more detail about that particular girder I could go into.
There's a thing called web stiffeners.
They didn't include the web stiffeners, which would have kept it from falling off, and they didn't include shear studs, which definitely would have helped because they would have been connected to the concrete and harder for it to push off.
So they left out the two really major parts of the construction And we know it was that way because we've seen the shop drawings, and we've actually seen pictures of the construction, and we can see those things there, so we know they were there.
It's not like we're guessing.
And one of the things I like about Building 7 is that this isn't guesswork.
I mean, there's a lot of things...
Theories that people have about what happened on 9-11, and I think a lot of them are probably true, but there's a lot of them, it's just, they're kind of fuzzy, and you're not really sure.
I'm talking about science here.
I'm talking about reality.
I'm talking about going through and seeing what really went on.
And another problem they had with this whole thing is they didn't even start investigating until 2002.
By then, all of the material had been packed up and shipped off into China.
They hardly had any.
What an amazing coincidence that all the evidence was swept away.
Yeah, it was a crime scene.
It was a crime scene, exactly.
Yeah.
And they just dumped it into a bunch of dump trucks.
400 dump trucks a day.
400 a day until it was all gone.
Wow.
Yeah, and this is a common thread, too.
Wherever things like this happen, there's a cleanup crew very quickly.
Like, I think in Waco, it was the same thing.
What's with all the bulldozers, huh?
You know, they gotta get the bones out of there, you know?
Yeah, it was like, I don't know, you ever saw Three Days of the Condor, the old movie, where these people got attacked and, you know, CIA type of thing, and they sent in the cleanup crew afterwards.
Yep, yep.
Okay, make everything look right.
You know, clean up the blood.
It's all gone.
That's, you know, I know we're short on time.
I was going to go through, there's 10 characteristics of controlled demolition.
I don't have time to go through all those right now, but I will tell you that Building 7 fit all 10 of those.
Yeah, you kind of implied a couple of them.
One would be the sound of explosions before, and then the other one would be maybe something approaching free fall speeds, but not exactly equaling free fall.
Yeah.
I won't go into the explanation.
I'll name it real quickly.
Sudden onset of fall, straight down, pattern removal of columns, free fall, as you mentioned, explosions, large volume of gas, pyroclastic clouds, and then there was forensic evidence.
And that forensic evidence was all destroyed.
Yep.
Yep.
Well, oh, and I forgot to mention Oklahoma City.
They took that building down after the so-called Timothy McVeigh explosion, which my friends, former U.S. Army explosive expert type of people tell me, there's no way you could take down that building that way from a van in the parking lot.
It doesn't work that way.
Well, they found unexploded bombs inside.
I mean, really?
Hello?
Yeah.
It's amazing how quickly everybody shuts up.
You know, and the other thing is, explosives, it's kind of like if you put a firecracker in the palm of your hand and light it, it's going to go off and, yeah, it's going to hurt.
It's going to burn you, but it's not going to destroy your hand.
If you light it and then are dumb enough to grip it and put your hand around that firecracker, you're going to do some major structural damage to your fist, right?
So an explosive outside, let's say, a concrete column, It's not going to do anything to it.
But an explosive burrowed into the column is going to shear it from the inside.
The same volume of explosive material.
It's physics.
Exactly.
Like we said before, these are cutter chargers.
They're designed to cut through steel.
And they do.
And the only way...
You know, if you remember nothing else from this or who was listening to it, explain to me how something could possibly fall for 2.25 seconds in total freefall if there was something left under it to stop it from falling.
Well, maybe the laws of gravity were changed that day.
And we should hope it doesn't happen again.
Yeah, well, this happened with COVID. Yes.
I mean, really, isn't it the same thing?
I mean, it's the same.
We're, you know, what...
What does our government tell us that we can possibly believe anymore?
Inflation is transitory.
How about that one?
Hey, that's a good one.
I like that.
Inflation is transitory and Building 7 fell because of an office fire and so on and so forth.
We didn't leave equipment behind in Afghanistan recently.
Whatever.
Yeah, it's all lies.
Everybody knows that now, or more and more people know that now.
Final thoughts, Bill, for what you want to leave people with on this?
Well, as I mentioned, you know, if nothing else, somebody has to explain freefall, and NIST obviously has not done that.
And, you know, I encourage people to do your own homework.
You know, check out Architects and Engineers.
They have a ton of great...
They have reports.
They've done papers.
And then you can watch Seven.
That was the...
Dylan Avery made it.
You know who Dylan Avery is.
No, I don't.
He did Loose Change.
Oh, okay.
Okay, right.
Okay, so he did it, and he went – so it's about a 40-minute documentary of Leroy Halsey.
And when it came out, I thought everybody would be talking about it.
I thought, oh, man, you've got to see this documentary.
But I didn't hear anybody do it, and I go, where – Why not?
But you could go on Amazon and rent it for four bucks.
Well, you know, Bill, there's something...
And I'm sorry for going on here, but there's something that I've come to learn over 20 years of truth-telling.
And that is that when a set of facts collides with a person's psyche...
And embracing those facts requires them to discard their entire belief system that they've grown up with.
They are incapable of doing so.
Because if Building 7 was demolished through controlled demolition, then they would have to rethink everything they thought they knew for their entire adulthood.
And it's just too much for most people.
So they just say, well, whatever.
I'm not going to think about it because I've got to get to this meeting.
And that's it.
Yeah.
Well, it's just like Piltdown Man.
You're familiar with Piltdown Man, right?
No, I guess I'm not.
That was a hoax about the missing link.
Oh, yeah.
Okay, right.
In anthropology.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Piltdown, UK. And it turned out to be a jaw of an ass and a tooth of a pig.
And they had people for 50 years, they had people, anthropologists around the world convinced that that was the missing link.
No, we've seen a similar thing with these supposed indigenous grave sites in Canada.
It turns out to just be mounds of dirt.
There's nothing there.
I mean, there are so many hoaxes that are perpetrated.
And I've interviewed other guests that talk about, you know, obviously many other different types of hoaxes.
But people's...
Understanding of history has been framed by so many of these hoaxes, like Oklahoma City, Timothy McVeigh.
I mean, the explosion was real, but the story behind the explosion is a complete fraud.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's, you know, and that's why I appreciate what you do, because you bring on some, I've listened to some of your guests, and they just really bring on some great people, and you've been You've been telling the truth for a long time.
Interestingly, just a side note, the reason I got into seeking the truth the way I do now is because I saw...
The guy that wrote Omnivore's Dilemma, Polin, I think Michael Polin.
Yeah, Polin.
He was on Bill Maher, of all things.
I was traveling, and I was in a hotel room, and I was surfing, because I couldn't go to sleep.
And I came upon that, and he was talking about his book.
So I owe Bill Maher, of all people.
God, we're working in mysterious ways.
That was the moment when the light came out and I go, oh, really?
I've got to check into this.
And I've been going down the rabbit hole ever since.
Even Bill Maher, he's had enough with the wokeism and all the transgender pressure on children and things like that.
So everybody's playing an interesting role in all of this.
Yeah.
You know, my role is to just bring on intriguing people like yourself and encourage people to think about these things.
And I appreciate you taking the time with us.
This has already been fascinating.
What's the website for architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth?
What is that?
It's just Architects and Engineers of 9-11 Truths.
Just type it in and you'll come right up to it.
Is it a.org or a.com?
Do you recall?
I don't think you even have to do that.
I think you can just type in...
Okay, let me...
Hold on a second here.
We have to give the right address.
Architects and engineers.
I have AE911truth.org.
There we go.
AE911truth.org.
Nailed it.
Okay.
And there's probably a website for like TWA Flight 800 Truth as well, but we don't have time to look that one up, folks.
You've got to find that yourself.
Yeah.
Here's what I hope.
I hope that anybody listening to this will start to think about it and realize, oh, hmm, I need to find out more.
I encourage everybody to listen to this.
Don't trust me.
I'm just a broken-down old retired general contractor.
What do I know?
Do your own homework.
It's important that you do your own homework.
Read and watch and listen and learn because that's what you need to do.
To really understand this thing.
And if I didn't, you know, help you think about this or start to think about this, then I think this interview has been very successful.
Yes, absolutely.
Well said.
Well, thank you, Bill Petty, for spending time with us today.
And thank you for having the courage to ask these questions.
It's much appreciated.
Thank you, Mike, for all that you do.
I can't say enough for my appreciation of what you've done over the years.
We'll all keep going.
We're adding people all the time.
More people are waking up.
And I'll mention, and I'll just say thank you, Bill, for all the time you're spending with us, but I'll mention a lot of people are now willing to look at 9-11 because of what they saw with COVID. Isn't that fascinating?
Or what they're seeing now with the FBI or the CDC or the FDA. They're seeing the corruption and the lies in a way they never saw it before.
Now they're looking back.
And beginning to reevaluate everything that they were told, such as, you know, I mentioned Waco, Oklahoma City, 9-11, and so on.
And it is time to reevaluate everything that we think we've been taught, because a lot of it has been complete fraud, for sure.
Yep.
Good way to finish.
All right, man.
Have a wonderful evening.
Thank you so much.
Thanks so much.
All right.
Bye.
Bye.
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