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Sept. 7, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Kristen Megan exposes the JUNK SCIENCE behind masks and social distancing
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Welcome, everyone, to the interview for today.
It's with Kristen Megan.
She's a senior industrial hygienist, and her website is StandUpMichigan.com.
She has been at the forefront of the fight for your health, freedom, and liberty.
By opposing the insane, unscientific requirements for people to wear masks and engage in social distancing in environments where it doesn't make any sense and it doesn't prevent anything.
In fact, it's harming people in ways that we'll talk about here today.
So, Kristen, I just want to say welcome to the show.
It's an honor to have you on.
Your work is tremendous.
Thank you for all that you do and I look forward to being able to ask you some questions here this evening.
Well, it's great to be back on with you again, and I just wish that we could talk under better circumstances, but it seems that our sociopathic government just can't seem to rein itself in.
Well, that's absolutely the case.
So let me start off with this.
So Dr.
Liana Nguyen, I'm sure you're familiar with her.
She had been pushing, pushing, pushing, saying like, I'm paraphrasing, but nobody deserves freedom unless they obey all the mask mandates and everything.
And now she's done somewhat of a 180, saying that her own child, that her child's cognitive development was retarded by the presence of the mask.
Which I think is probably an accurate description.
Children are harmed by this, and there's a retardation of their cognitive development during those years.
So what are your comments on that right there, like Dr.
Liana Nguyen or just masks in general, all the flip-flopping?
Well, yes, I have been following all of these mouthpieces that have been on the mainstream media since the beginning of this pandemic.
She's one individual that I was very frustrated with because I think the general public does not know much about my profession because it's called industrial hygiene and people think we're dentists or janitors, which those are respectable professions, but we are exposure scientists.
The issue with this backpedaling is that There's no apology that's followed up with it.
Like, I'm sorry that I was unaware.
But the problem is, is that people in my profession were screaming about this before other people had the realization.
Because we historically know masks are not respirators, but the most bottom of the barrel respirator is the N95 that people like to call the masks, but it's a respirator that requires the medical clearance, fit testing, training.
Now, a mask is It's very similar on what it does.
When we cover our nose and mouth, we naturally increase respiration rates.
And then when it's prolonged with moisture and cough and spit, which it can stop, but not aerosols, they're not changing them out.
So in school, they were wearing the same masks over and over, not even properly fitted on their face whatsoever.
And what happens is that repetitive oxygen deprivation can impede frontal lobe development.
Now, this is not my wheelhouse, but I work with a neurosurgeon called Dr.
Avery Jackson, who was recently a part of a summit that my colleagues and I did, where he actually goes over this.
Along with pediatrician Dr.
Larry Polevsky, who's a friend of mine, he explains this very well.
So it's not just the social and And psychological impact, which can impede, you know, those skills.
When we have tiny children, you know, they learn by facial expression and they resonate and their brain is trained when they receive data through signaling of the body.
So expression, eyebrows, your mouth, whether you're saying something angry or sad.
So you have this disconnect, not to mention the large population of children that are on specialized programs in their school because they're on the autism spectrum or they have different abilities of being partially or fully blind.
There's different things that we cater to, but it all went out the window.
So this was not shocking to me.
And I warned of this back in, I believe, April of 2020.
Yeah, I remember you did.
And you've been right on the money ever since.
Now, it's not just masks.
And by the way, recent research has come out showing that titanium dioxide is being inhaled by people who wear these masks that are made in China.
And as you said, they're not even properly fitted.
You know, it's a joke.
It's almost like a designation of obedience more than a medical device, the way people wear these things.
But you also understand air flows in commercial environments, and thus, you were right about social distancing as well.
Can you give us kind of an overview of what you've been saying about social distancing measures?
Yes, it is completely useless, because what we do as exposure scientists is we determine the main route of entry of exposure, which we knew was inhalation of aerosols that go into the deep lung.
So we use calculations through Stokes laws in our profession and we look at studies and we plot based on the current air movement, is the air stagnant?
And usually these aerosols can stay suspended in the air for days.
So it doesn't matter, Mike, if you and I are sitting in a grocery store and we're seven feet apart, if you're just talking, you release aerosols by talking.
You don't even need to cough.
If someone comes by in a mask or not, you know, Two hours later, they're walking through your cloud of infectious aerosols.
Now, the debate on how long the aerosols can thrive outside of the human body is up for debate, but we know it's at least a few hours.
So the social distancing is useless because the primary route of exposure is not through droplets.
And the biggest falsehood out there is that these aerosols cannot travel alone, that they have to attach to droplets, and that is false.
Some aerosols do combine with droplets.
But no, this is exactly why we don't wear masks when we're abating asbestos.
Because when we're dealing with tiny particulates and aerosols, when you have a mask, and a mask, anything greater than a 3.2% leakage, which you have on the sides and by the mouth, makes the ability to filter everything out 0% efficacy.
And that's not even talking about the actual ply material.
Like you're saying, there's titanium dioxide.
So when we put these control measures in place, we don't...
Distancing would be an administrative control, but it's a useless administrative control because we skip the hierarchy and you can just increase the air exchanges per hour through dilution and destruction technologies in the HVAC system.
It's literally that simple.
Now, what about all the plexiglass that was installed in schools and in banks, you know, even in grocery stores?
I remember one day I went into the grocery store in the middle of COVID. It's like, suddenly it looked like a sci-fi prison cell out of a Sylvester Stallone movie or something.
It's like, what's all this plexiglass doing everywhere?
But it was only, you know, three feet high above the counter.
So I'm thinking, is this a joke?
What would you say about that?
Well, my favorite part is, at least the grocery stores near me here in Michigan, is they would have the plexiglass up right in front of the worker, but the console to use your card is not even behind the plexiglass.
So when you're dealing with aerosols, I mean, I think when they put these in, they're thinking more like if somebody coughs, the sit and sputum is going to land on the plexiglass.
But who really sits there and coughs giant amounts of phlegm?
The average person doesn't.
But again, if you have COVID and you're talking, you can spread it that way if this is a respiratory illness because, again, you exhale aerosol.
So it was all just for show.
I do believe that there are people that thought they were doing good because they were being parroted with the propaganda that this was about droplets.
But we've known this for a long time.
It's not.
So it was just a waste of money.
And I think that's what's the most infuriating thing is that we putting these fake control measures up gave people such a false sense of security and telling people like the plexiglass or masks is going to stop in aerosol actually makes them get closer.
So we're actually increasing the hazard.
Well, that's interesting.
And I'm glad you mentioned this is essentially public health theater.
We've known and our listeners have known for a long time that the TSA at the airport is also security theater, right?
They don't really stop people from carrying things through airport security.
They're not effective at keeping guns off of airplanes.
I mean, the GAO does an audit every once in a while, and they're able to smuggle guns in all the time.
So it's security theater.
And then we have public health theater or COVID theater.
But psychologically, and I know you're not a psychologist, but it seems like all of this window dressing was necessary to gain obedience from people in order to push them into vaccines.
Like they had to have the scare story visible enough so that people would run and get the shots.
At least that's the way it seems to me.
What do you think?
I definitely think it was like a psychological form of control and warfare for the simple fact that these repetitive signs, the requirement of masking, the constant plexiglass, which most mask mandates in the general public are all gone.
That doesn't mean they're not going to come back.
So they have to still leave a reminder in your face.
It's like when you make a mistake in your life and your spouse continues to throw it in your face so you don't forget.
It's kind of the same thing.
I mean, if we just remove all of these useless control measures that are more visual, people will not forget and they'll still be scared and they'll still comply.
But if we use those engineering controls which people don't see, then you're not getting the same effect.
Because in the world, I'm also cross-credential in public health and we go over this propaganda messaging.
And my colleague, Steven Petty, and I always talk about this.
He's a senior.
He's a certified industrial hygienist and an engineer.
We talk about these things because we are always taught when we're trying to relay hazardous information, we don't always use technical data because the average layperson doesn't resonate that.
But when we get more emotional and we push, like, say, I'm trying to get someone to get on board with wearing an arc-rated face shield, um, I would bring in a burn victim who didn't wear their PPE. That resonates more with me talking about, you know, the technical aspects of the hazard and what happens during the arc flash.
People don't care about that.
They need to see the reality of how something could hit them.
And I think that's why you see everyone wearing not even PPE, not even source control, but like face diapers and grandma's curtains on their face and these Plexiglass that doesn't even cover actually the face-to-face interaction.
I mean, the whole country looks like you're shopping at a check-to-cash place.
You know, slide your money under the thing.
It's such theater.
And honestly, I don't know how anyone still, you know, falls for it.
It's kind of like in my field, when you put up messaging, you can actually be written up through OSHA if you have too much messaging because It becomes less impactful because people just drowned it out.
And in this case, I hope that's what does happen.
Wow.
So the other thing I wanted to ask you is that I've been in retail establishments before where, well, just as background, my sense of smell is extremely sensitive.
I walk into a grocery store, I can smell all the detergents.
I can actually buy a box of cereal from the store, take it home, and I can smell the detergent on the plastic bag inside the box of cereal.
And it's very specific, this detergent smell.
So I remember walking into this Best Buy years ago.
Every time I would go into the Best Buy, the entire place smelled like burned plastic.
And I knew that there was somebody in the computer geeks area.
had to be melting plastic all the time.
And yet everybody in that building was exposed to the melting plastic smells, but nobody there could smell it because of course, being who I am, I relentlessly asked different employees, like, can you smell that there's burning plastic in here?
Like, nope.
It's just like if you go into a grocery store, can you smell the laundry detergents on everything?
Nope.
Because they work there.
So they have no sensitivity to the exposures.
Now you, as a senior industrial hygienist, isn't...
This is something that you're taught that when people are constantly exposed to an environmental pollutant, they can lose sensitivity to it and thus expose themselves to dangers that they're not aware of.
Is that something that you're taught?
Yeah, we cover this and when we're doing indoor air quality investigations or when we're training people on different hazards, we want them to know what something smells or tastes like.
But when someone is around a hazard for too long, it can adjust your odor threshold.
So therefore, like a lot of roofers cannot smell the off-gassing of volatile organic compounds as I can.
It's funny that you say that because I feel like people with science backgrounds have like calibrated noses.
I can smell anything from a mile away.
I'm like, oh, that's formaldehyde.
I can smell it.
Me too.
And it's usually things I know I'm not supposed to smell, but yes, you're exactly right.
You can be desensitized or oversensitized.
It can work both ways.
Well, and also, I mean, just as a side note, I would imagine you probably don't wear a lot of perfumes and have heavy perfume shampoos and body lotions and detergents and things like that.
Would that be correct?
I avoid fragrance as much as possible.
Yes.
Yep.
Yep.
Well, I'm right there with you on that exact point.
And I think that's one of the reasons that we have that sensitivity is because we're not blasting our olfactory senses with this assault of chemicals.
And so, by the way, this comes down back to the masks.
So when people are living with these masks on, they may be unaware of lower levels of oxygen, for example, because also you get cognitive dysfunction as you're losing oxygen.
Or there may be a smell to the mask because there's bacteria growing inside the mask.
It's like a petri dish with the humidity of the breath.
And they may not even be sensitive to it where somebody else could pick up that mask and And take one whiff and go, whoa, this thing's nasty.
Like, why are you wearing this?
Oh, absolutely.
And that's what I've been explaining about the desensitization, because when you are wearing a mask, most people, even if you're wearing them for droplets, if you touch it, you change it out.
Everyone's touching it every few seconds.
So people should be wearing probably like 500 masks a day.
But the more people wear them like out in the rain, everything I teach people to do when they're wearing a mask or a respirator, people are not doing them and no one's teaching them.
So they're dealing with these clogged Masks that have a lot of moisture, which is a huge breeding ground for bacteria.
And then you talked about the olfactory nerve.
People that get brain fog from wearing the mask too long, that's where all the hazards when you have dementia start to form, is right there.
So you're putting yourself into more of a systemic and synergistic effect.
Yeah.
I get infuriated when people are like, there's nothing wrong with wearing a mask.
I'm like, they're not designed to be worn every single day for more than two hours.
They aren't.
And this is why.
Because you are impeding your natural gaseous exchanges and that has a huge domino effect of how your body functions.
And your brain, like you said, for example, I'm trained as a small aircraft pilot and the FAA warns us that if you go over 12,500 feet in altitude without supplemental oxygen, you will begin to lose your cognitive ability to make decisions.
And so once you go above that threshold, You may decide, oh, I'm perfectly fine up here because you're not aware of your own impairment.
It's almost like drunk driving in a sense, where you think you're fine, but you're actually impaired.
And the same thing can be true in industrial environments, I would imagine.
Your thoughts?
Definitely.
And this is exactly why oftentimes when I've done air sampling during long surgeries, sometimes surgeons will piggyback because they...
This is...
We can talk about that in a bit.
Because Dr. Avery Jackson, who is a neurosurgeon, flat out tells you there's times that he has to kind of like step back because he and he's got to go and come back.
And he will not wear a mask outside of the OR because of the fact he's dealing with those same symptoms you say where you have to kind of blink twice because you're getting the fatigue.
You can't form thoughts.
And I know if I'm having brain surgery, I would like my surgeon to be on full alert.
Exactly.
All right.
Now, let's talk about your summit.
Now, your main website is Stand Up Michigan, but I understand you have a summit.
I wrote it down here.
The America's Frontline Industrial Hygienist and Multidisciplinary Support Summit.
That's a mouthful right there.
Did I get that right?
Sure is.
Okay.
Okay, cool.
So tell people what this is about.
Can they watch it now?
How do they see it?
Absolutely.
So there's two ways you can watch it.
It is at StandUpMichigan.com and you click a link and it does ask for your email.
That's not so we can spam you.
It's because this site had the ability to be hacked.
It's on its own platform now.
It's kind of very hard to take down.
But in case anything is done negatively to the site, we can track it back to the last person that logged in.
So if you go to StandUpMichigan.com, you put in your email, it will send you a link to watch all three videos.
There's also a small donation link.
If anyone wants to give $1 to $2, that's to help us cover the video production bill that we have to pay.
And also another way to view it is if you go to Rumble and go to the Choose Freedom channel.
I do prefer people to go to Stand Up Michigan because you can also learn about the organization.
It is the largest grassroots organization here in Michigan that's getting stuff done.
But this summit, my colleagues and I have long been talking about how, for me, for example, I have trained on pandemic Preparedness, Planning, and Response for 12 years.
12 of that, all of it was for the federal government.
Because in the event of a pandemic or anything, we sit down, we have a multidisciplinary approach and review.
This is with people in infection control, doctors, epidemiologists, engineers, HVAC personnel, plumbers, public health, industrial hygienists, occupational environment health and safety professionals.
It's not just one person.
It's not a Birx or a Fauci in a microphone just pretending that they're credentialed in 10 different fields.
so you can assess what is their exposure group.
You kind of triage and put people in exposure groups, right?
So what we did is we did that.
We got industrial hygienists together, neurosurgeons, pediatricians, a public health professional.
We got multiple industrial hygienists so that we could kind of like show unity.
This summit is very informational and we show you how it should have been done and how everything that we've been asked to do is nothing we would ever tell you to do.
We would never tell you to wear a mask for an aerosolized virus, nor would we ever recommend wearing an N95 respirator that is not only a proper control measure of respiratory protection or source control, but that type of respirator requires you to be clean-shaven, fit-tested, and trained, because certain people could drop dead if they wore a respirator because of that impeded gaseous exchanges and increased respirations that we talked about.
So we just basically showed you the science that you're not seeing, and any Any university, for example, I was on Twitter, and I saw that one professor is requiring his students to wear masks or they can't get a certain grade.
Another professor in our field, I can't remember the school, I have to go back and look at the tweet, he teached occupational health.
He said all his students are required to wear masks.
And I thought, well, you shouldn't be teaching this class.
So these types of discriminatory and insane practices, to me, it is like going to a fire science course and having your instructor say, yeah, go ahead, throw water on that grease fire.
It's the cheapest and quickest thing you can do.
So is a mask, but they're not going to control the hazard.
They're going to increase the risk.
And that's how I view it.
So all these people in my profession that are just staying silent, you know, it's one thing.
Maybe they fear their profession.
I'm And being attacked, as I have.
But those that are actively speaking out and lying, those people, those people should lose all their certifications.
And I personally think that they should face charges because we are the subject matter experts.
And this is egregious.
Well, I hope there are a whole slew of charges coming for pharmacists, doctors, hospital administrators who killed people with ventilators and so on.
But let me just overview this for people.
Again, the website is standupmichigan.com and they can click on the Summit link there.
And Kristen, I've got the perfect way to filter out spam or trolls.
All you do is, you know how there's that prove that you're a human type of capture thing, like click on the chimneys and click on the bicycles and all that?
You just have one there is like click on the women and you show three men, three women and three transgenders.
You make sure people still know what a woman is and then they can enter and watch the summit.
That would be the perfect defense to stop the trolls.
Anyway, let me ask you this.
In Canada, they're hiring more quarantine guards.
For, you know, I guess, upcoming outbreaks that maybe are being planned or being anticipated.
So it's clear to me, and like your comments on this, that This whole thing is not over.
I mean, all the training and obedience training, I should say, that people have been thrust into here with the masks, the social distancing, the plexiglass and everything, that was just kind of round one.
And they plan something else here that's going to involve more quarantines.
Do you think something worse is coming?
I'd like to think not, but I honestly think so.
because I feel like this was the litmus test to one, see what people would tolerate, what people would fall for and what they would do under duress.
All these people that say they were forced to get vaccinated, no, you weren't, you chose to get a new job.
You know what I mean?
But they, I think now that they know that they're gonna conjure up something, I believe that is gonna be a different route of entry.
Maybe it will be droplets.
I don't know if they tried that with monkeypox.
Oh, excuse me, that's homophobic or racist.
I can't decide which day, whatever the new name is.
But, you know, I do think that they will conjure something up because if they can find something that has a higher...
Infection fatality rate and something because I'm sure that these people that are doing this know that there's already people already on the offense ready to go like waiting for their next move.
I'm one of them.
A couple of my colleagues are.
So while there are real infectious diseases out there that can spread and we can have outbreaks when you see these people not following the right training that we've done for years then that tells you this is not about our health and safety.
So maybe there could be, just coincidentally, a real infectious disease.
But it's how you respond to it, how we respond to it, as a government, is the absolute...
That's what does it for me.
If they push another form of PPE or source control over the hierarchy of controls, which would be engineering controls, you know that they've got this all wrong.
Well, an interesting thing that's happening right now is a lot of these corporations that allowed employees to work from home, just now they're saying that we demand you come back to work.
I mean, just after the recent Labor Day.
This is happening with banks and tech companies and customer service positions all across the country.
So there are literally millions of Americans that are having to show up for work for the first time in a long time.
And that means now they're exposed to the work environment air, right?
Which is, I mean, I'll ask your opinion, but in my guess, I would say it's less safe than their home air in most cases.
Because, I mean, they might have plants at home that are helping to cleanse the air.
They probably have some fresh air from time to time.
But a lot of these commercial buildings are just enclosed.
You know, they have a black mold in the HVAC system or what have you.
But what do you think the ramifications are going to be now that everybody's supposed to go back to the office?
I think you're definitely going to see increased issues in these cubicle spaces because, and people will say, it's because you're not wearing a mask or this or that.
No, it's because, I always say, like, when you don't work out, your muscles get atrophy.
Well, your immune system can kind of get atrophy.
Plus, we've done everything to suppress our immune system, like prolonged mask wearing or getting these dangerous hokey pokies.
But when you are in an industrial setting or cubicle setting, unless it's a brand new building, they are so lazy about cleaning out the HVAC systems.
The ceiling tiles tend to be laced with moisture that form mold.
If you can't see it from your view, I guarantee you it's on the other side.
And not only that, but the indoor air quality is off.
The relative humidity can be off.
I stick indoor air quality meters and a lot of office spaces.
And not only that, a lot of people who are just talking about this use perfumes and colognes that can create a lot more sensitivities.
And so with you mixing that with the psychosomatic stuff, people are every little itch, every little sneeze.
People are going to start freaking out, especially the people that love being at home because they were really pushed to just fear their neighbor.
I do think you're going to see an increased illness.
Not that it's going to kill people, but it's no different than when we send our kids back to school.
They always get sick in the beginning of the school year.
Not my kids because they're both vaccine-free, but...
You know, that's just, that's life.
When you sit there and don't expose yourself to good and bad bacteria, but you're correct because it's no different than in healthcare settings.
If people know about fecal transplants, you use the bacteria from someone in your house because you share the same bacteria.
So yes, like me in my home, I have an engineering control.
I have an iWave Air.
It's an ionizer that kills mold bacteria, viruses, and it helps a lot with allergies.
So I feel safer in my home, but I'm also not scared to leave my house.
Right, right.
Okay, one more question for you.
It seems like a lot of these, the PPE equipment, the masks, for example, have become almost like security blankets for a lot of people.
You see them really emotionally attached to the masks to the point where they're wearing them while they're driving by themselves in their own cars.
Right.
Or they're wearing them walking on the beach, walking down the sidewalk with their dog, and they have a mask on.
Hasn't, in a way, these mandates and all this brainwashing, hasn't it kind of made some people mentally ill or given them kind of a mental illness crutch?
I don't know if I could say to lean on or what, but it's messed some people up bad where they don't feel like they're okay without a mask now.
Yeah, that's that psychological warfare.
That's exactly it.
And it's almost like people have like these irrational mini forms of PTSD that they're just so afraid and maybe they did lose a family member from it or from improper treatment from it or lack thereof, but These people, yes.
It's like, you know, we have like Munchausen by proxy.
It's like these people have almost a form of like medical narcissism, which is not a thing, but I guess that's the best way to explain it because you get those people that freak out.
If you come to their house and you're not jabbed, you're not wearing a mask.
We have invoked this fear that I think is causing so many psychosomatic issues.
It's like the people who are convinced themselves they're pregnant and then they actually grow pregnant.
They're uterus expands or they build up fluid.
I'm sure he's heard of those stories.
So I think that there are a lot of people who make themselves very sick and they are so afraid now that if they haven't gotten sick, like me, I've never worn a mask.
I'm not jabbed.
I've traveled around the country hugging people.
I don't think I've ever had it.
I haven't even been sick.
But the people who haven't been sick, they'll say, well, it's because I've been wearing a mask this whole time.
Well, honey, I haven't this whole entire, and I've shared cups.
I've shared straws.
I've hugged people.
Like, I have gone out of my way to live my life normal, and I have not had a major illness since April 2020.
That's contagious, at least.
Yeah.
Well, and it seems like a lot of the people getting sick now, the vast majority, are people who have been vaccinated and who were compliant with a lot of this.
A lot of mask wearing and, I don't know, all the social distancing.
Some people would stand in those little feet prints that were on the floor at the grocery store, like, don't stand here!
You know, you're supposed to...
I mean, it's insane.
It's like, are you really going to be an obedient robot and actually stand in the footprints?
But some people do.
But I think when people look at this, and hopefully people know this, but listening to me, maybe they're learning, those type of administrative controls were absolutely useless.
And when you think, because often people tell me, because as you know, I'm a whistleblower for geoengineering, people used to ask me, if they're doing that, aren't they also breathing it in?
And I'm thinking, you have to understand this mindset of these people.
So When we think that the people that quote outrank us or are of power, we would think that they would have all access to the latest and greatest information, right?
They did, but they didn't use it.
So when we are listening to really bad advice from people that should know what they're doing, how are we ever supposed to have trust in anything?
I'm talking hospitals that still require masks, stores that still have the circles on the floor or the plexiglass up.
How are we ever supposed to take people seriously and have faith in these entities that are still pushing this stuff?
When social media...
While we're censored, this data is getting out.
You even had the CDC come out and say, we need some reform.
And then you have Burks in her book saying, yeah, none of this worked and we knew it.
I mean, it's like, where's the accountability?
Right.
Yeah, they're all admitting it.
And Walensky, right?
Just saying, well, we failed so horribly, so we need a lot more money so we can fail bigger next time.
It's incredible.
But Kristen, we're out of time here, but this has been fascinating.
And I really appreciate all the work you're doing and keeping people informed and also blowing the whistle on this.
Maybe the next time there's an outbreak, we can have a more sane, rational response.
I hope so.
I'd like to think so, but I don't think we have a good reputation with how our government handles any adversity.
So I think the best thing we can do is just have these platforms and get the information out as best as we can.
Well said.
So your website is StandUpMichigan.com and there's a lot of interesting stuff there.
Just want to thank you, Kristen, for taking the time.
It's been a pleasure to be able to speak with you about this.
Keep me posted and let us know when there's something big, breaking, you want us to get you back on.
We'll get you back on the show.
All right.
Sounds good.
And as always, remember, taxation is theft.
Absolutely.
It is.
All right.
Thank you, Kristen.
Have a great evening.
Okay.
Bye.
Bye.
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