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May 24, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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DEVOLUTION researcher Patel Patriot interviewed by Mike Adams - will Trump pull off the big REVEAL?
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Welcome to the Health Ranger Report on Brighttown.tv.
I'm Mike Adams, the founder of Brighteon.
And today I've got a new guest for you, a fascinating one.
You may have seen some of his other interviews on Brighteon.
His name is Patel Patriot, and he's the author of the Devolution series, which you can find on Substack.
And the website for that is patelpatriot.substack.com.
We'll put it on screen for you so you can check it out.
Now, according to his research, we're going to ask him about this.
He's going to give us some extensive background.
There is a continuity of government plan in place to restore the legitimate leadership of the United States of America after the, let's say, dismantling or takedown of the illegitimate fake government that rigged the election and now occupies the White House as, well, I would say an enemy occupying force.
But we'll ask Patel what's his take on that.
Stay with us.
We'll be right back after this break with that interview straight ahead.
Stay with us.
All right, welcome back, folks.
Mike Adams here on Brighton.tv, and we are joined by Patel Patriot.
This is one of the interviews I've looked forward to the most recently.
And Patel, I just want to welcome you to the show.
First of all, just welcome.
It's great to have you on.
Thanks, Mike.
Thanks for having me.
I've been looking forward to this one as well.
Well, that's great to hear.
I love your work, and I love your approach to this.
You're very research-focused, you're evidence-based in your work.
And I hope I didn't sort of mischaracterize anything in the introduction, but let me turn it over to you.
How about you tell our audience, because this is the first time we've had an interview, you tell our audience sort of what is devolution, number one, what is the devolution series, the research that you've done, and kind of how did you get into doing this?
Because it's an unusual thing.
You're the top guy doing this.
Yeah, it's been an interesting ride.
So, I mean, I'll start with kind of my background.
I was fundraising for a Catholic school system here.
And, you know, I've always been a conservative guy, but I didn't really get into following politics until back in 2018.
But I never really posted about it, never commentated about it, never wrote anything about it.
And then the election happened.
You know, I was very confident going into November 3rd that Trump was going to win.
And it was obvious there was fraud.
Fast forward to the 20th.
You know, I thought leading up to that, Trump was going to make some sort of move.
Nothing happened.
He walked away.
I mean, I was pretty devastated.
I was convinced he would win and stop Biden from taking office, and it didn't happen.
And so after taking a couple months away from anything, I started to feel motivated to kind of figure out what happened, because nothing made sense.
It was against Trump's character for him to walk away.
There was just so many...
The fraud was obvious to me.
So I set to figure out what happened because there had to have been something more going on behind the scenes.
And that's when I ended up stumbling across somebody else talking about this devolution theory on the small, obscure social media site.
And he didn't really go into detail.
He was just kind of talking about it So I started digging in myself, and that's when I realized that there was something here.
I started my articles, and I didn't really know how big it would get.
I maybe had two or three articles in mind that I would write, and then I just kept finding more and kept finding more and kept writing.
Devolution itself, it's a continuity of government scenario.
Back in the Cold War era when Russia and the United States were going at it, there was worry that what if Russia actually nukes the United States and our government?
How would we move forward as a country if our government got taken out?
And so they started putting into place these continuity of government policies.
And one of those plans is a plan called devolution.
And the way that it works with what's going on right now is President Trump actually devolved the government.
And so he devolved his authority as president down to lower level groups and individuals kind of spread out across different geographical locations.
And I cover this in one of my articles even.
I think I've pinpointed who the groups and the LLCs are that were formed to essentially kind of run a shadow government.
But The way it works is Trump actually isn't president really either.
Neither is Biden because he wasn't duly elected.
But Trump's more of an advisor.
Right now, the ones running devolution and the continuity of government operation, their focus is to maintain what is called our national essential functions.
And we don't know which ones they're focusing on because the executive order Trump issued to outline devolution allowed them to completely reprioritize how they do things.
So that's just a small part of what's going on.
Okay, yeah, I understand that.
You're just barely scratching the surface there.
I know you have a lot more knowledge.
I want to ask you about executive orders and things like that, but let me back up a bigger picture view here.
A lot of people who have not followed devolution or any of this, they were really shocked when it turned out that Joe Biden was broadcasting from a fake Oval Office in a studio that reportedly is in a building across the street from maybe the White House. they were really shocked when it turned out that Joe Who knows?
But, you know, up until that day, the left wing media was saying, oh, it's a conspiracy theory that he's not in the Oval Office.
It's a conspiracy theory that it's a fake, you know, a soundstage and so on.
But now they just come out and confirm it.
Yeah.
And then they put fake images in the windows behind him in the Oval Office.
One day they had images of container ships in a port.
It's like, where where is this coming from?
So now we know they're doing the interviews or the fake vaccines or whatever.
They're doing it from a fake soundstage.
I think that shocked a lot of people.
Did you find that that brought a lot of people to look deeper into the ideas that you are expressing?
You know, maybe it's definitely interesting that they're not doing it at the White House.
You know, I haven't been to Washington, D.C. I've seen some other journalists cover it that say that it's kind of a ghost town.
And, you know, whether that's true or not, again, it's all interesting.
The Biden administration, their entire presidency is a farce.
And it's crazy how many conspiracy theories that have been brought up over the past two, three years that turned out to actually be true.
You know what I mean?
And so we just keep seeing that happen over and over and over again.
And that's part of the entire reason Trump had to walk away was to expose and dismantle the media, the mainstream media.
They've been such a liability to this country and getting the truth out.
But, yeah, it's definitely interesting, the whole doing everything from a set.
He doesn't appear to be in the White House.
I mean, it's interesting.
So are you saying in the big picture view that this is why Trump was so reluctant to take any kind of action in, what, December of 2020, let's say, when many of us were screaming, like, hey, have the National Guard count the ballots, you know, protect the ballots.
and so on, because there's supposed to be paper ballot backups.
But Trump was, he was surrounded by who, Cipollone and others in the White House, and of course Pence, and Trump was just doing seemingly nothing.
But according to what you're saying, he voluntarily walked away from this as part of the process of exposing it.
Is that correct?
Yeah.
So, a couple things to think about.
The summer of 2020, there was so much violence in the streets.
I mean, we had Antifa, we had BLM, we had all these riots everywhere.
And then, I think it was June, July, or August, the Transition Integrity Project released a report, and they war-gamed four scenarios for the 2020 election, and each one ended up with Biden in office.
And they basically promised violence in the streets if Trump were to...
Stay in office.
And so I fully believe Trump has the evidence of the foreign interference in our elections.
That's one of the pretexts for him to even be able to do something like devolution.
I think he has it.
And he could have prevented Biden from taking office on the 20th.
But if he would have done so...
There would have been, I mean, virtually a small-scale civil war.
You think of the tensions in this country at the time, and it was all fanned by the media, but it would have been bad.
It could have been ugly.
But so, by walking away, it's actually been brilliant because what's happened is the media has lost control of so many narratives.
I mean, COVID narrative...
The Biden presidency, he's going to be the most successful and he has all these plans.
He's going to do all these things and none of that's working.
The Russia, Russia, Russia, Durham narrative is crumbling.
There's narrative after narrative that is falling apart and that's what Trump needs.
Before Trump can make his move to come back, He needs a majority of the population to be ready and willing for him to come back.
And so, yeah, Trump walking away, it's all about exposing his enemies.
And if he would have prevented Biden from taking office, not only would there have been a civil war, in my opinion, but his second term would have been just as hostile.
He would have been fought left and right by everybody just as much as he was the first term, if not more.
So this is what guarantees him kind of a smooth ship the second time around.
So let me ask you kind of a skeptical question because there are other people out there who comment on these things and I would say a lot of people who are a lot less meticulous than you when it comes to research and some people just throwing out random dates like You know, Trump's coming back on this date.
Or you hear rumors that all the evil people running the Biden regime have all been arrested and executed in Gitmo and they've been replaced by body doubles and so on.
So there's a lot of skepticism because Many of us observing this, we know that there are some pretty crazy exaggerations going on out there.
How do you kind of sort that out and where do you fall on, you know, hopium versus reality?
Sure.
That's a good question.
I consider myself an open-minded skeptic.
So anytime I see something, my first instinct is one way or the other.
And I tend to lean skeptical.
And so I'm very skeptical to believe the tribunals thing.
I don't think anything like that has happened.
I don't think there's body doubles.
I think Joe Biden is who he is.
He's just demented.
Yeah.
My thing is I want to see the proof.
And that's what I've tried to do.
Everything I've put in my series, it's proof after proof.
And I link the sources to everything I've found.
So it's not just me willy-nilly throwing stuff out there.
I'm showing you exactly where I'm getting my information from.
And that's why I'm fully convinced Devolution is going on.
Just in my last article, Part 16, I did a timeline from November 3rd to January 20th of all the moves that were happening.
And there's so much evidence that Trump was leaving office in a wartime footing.
And he was at war with the CCP. It was clear.
So there's no doubt in my mind there's so much proof that Trump put devolution into play.
It's just a matter of when this unfolds.
And that's the part of this that, you know, I'm not going to put a date on anything.
I have my own opinions of roughly when it might happen, but there is no technical end date to devolution.
They can go on.
It's a minimum 30 days and then it's short, mid and long-term plans.
So it could go on to 2024 technically.
So in the meantime, we are subjected to this elaborate theater, like the fake Oval Office set, and I think it appears to most, of course, mainstream consumers that Biden's the president, Biden's people are in charge, the Pentagon has been taken over by loyalists to Biden, which I guess I might as well say are loyalists to the CCP and Maoism and Marxism and so on.
I mean, they...
But they, and with big tech doing the censorship and big media pushing the propaganda, they have created a rather convincing illusion for the masses that Biden's in charge.
Would you agree with that or disagree?
Yeah, I mean, they definitely created the illusion.
And he did assume office.
I mean, he was put into office, Trump left, and it does appear like he's the president.
But, you know, based on my theory, what Trump did, it's a fully legal, and there's an executive order for it, it's a fully legal, constitutional, continuity of government plan.
And it all relies on him having the evidence of foreign interference, which there's a lot of circumstantial evidence.
I mean, a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing to him having that evidence as well.
So as long as he considers and, you know, in 2017, before Obama left office, his director or secretary of Department of Homeland Security, Jay Johnson, he classified election infrastructure as critical infrastructure.
OK, and so that's a big move because any attack on our election infrastructure is considered an act of war now.
I mean, so if China interfered and Trump has the evidence, that's an act of war.
Trump can use his wartime powers to put something like devolution into play.
So even though Biden is kind of in office and the media is trying to prop him up like a legitimate president, Trump.
Whenever Trump makes his reveal, they're not really going to be able to do anything about it because what he did was completely constitutional.
So when you say that when Trump makes his reveal, is there, in your mind, based on your research, is there some sort of trigger point?
Or by what mechanism would we, the people, begin to see that this devolution plan is being exercised, let's say?
Yeah, that's a really good question, too.
We don't know.
I don't know.
I've thought about this a lot.
And I think Trump, he's very law and order.
He's very constitutional.
In 2016, he ran on giving the government back to we the people.
And so I think he's going to try to use any constitutional method that...
I mean, is available to him.
And so I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, we have state legislatures kind of do this on their own and a couple of them decertify and Trump comes back that way.
You know, so it's possible that he comes back without ever having to reveal the foreign interference.
I personally think he will, just because in order to fully show the scope of what the Democrats and the left and the political establishment have done, you almost have to show the foreign interference and all the evidence you have.
But there is no necessary trigger point.
I do think truth social is going to be a big thing that's coming out here soon.
And I think, you know, part of waking up half the population, you got to be able to reach them and get past the censorship.
So what's the point of, you know, all these big, massive truth bombs, the narratives crumbling, What's the point of that happening if the other side isn't getting the truth?
And so I think that's going to be a big marker.
And in the months following, we're going to see more Durham stuff.
We're going to see more truth about COVID. And then I wouldn't be surprised if the economy crashes based on some of the stuff that's coming out lately.
And then I think one of the last things to fall is going to be irrefutable proof of election fraud and foreign interference.
You're kind of implying, I think, something, a conclusion that I've arrived at as well, which is that there's a certain amount of suffering that people have to go through before their eyes open up to the total fraud.
And right now, America is suffering.
That's inarguable.
Look at the food inflation.
Look at the social unrest, look at the rising crime rates, you know, on and on.
We could give lots of examples.
And, you know, you're right that it's, at this point, people can't really just point at Trump and say, oh, this is all Trump's fault.
I mean, look who is apparently in charge.
Look whose policies are in place.
Look who shut down the pipelines.
Look who has shut down the truckers with the vaccine mandates, creating supply chain logistics nightmares and so on.
So yeah, and Biden's poll numbers are plunging.
So do you think that this is all part of a process that Trump and his people anticipated?
Definitely.
I mean, I think he told us how many times that the media is the enemy of the people.
I mean, there's been so many predictions that he made about a Biden presidency that have come true.
I mean, almost everything.
And so I think he knew this was going to happen, and he's almost helped guide it along.
It's very interesting to me, and one of my articles I mentioned, the Biden administration, they successfully stole an election.
But what policies have they put forth that have gone through?
I mean, they have failed to put through any piece of legislation they've tried.
I was thinking the same thing the other day.
It's just been a series of executive orders, really.
That's about it.
None of them have real teeth either.
You know, I mean, it's nothing they've tried to implement has happened.
So how can you justify a group stealing an election but not being able to get anything done?
And so it's fascinating.
But I do think, you know, this has always been about, you know, you can't tell the people you have to show them.
I know people mention that a lot.
And it's so true.
And that's what Trump has done here.
So if that's the case, then it also seems like there's a lot more suffering yet to come.
And you kind of hinted about that because you think there might be an economic collapse.
I completely agree with you.
I think they're engineering a dollar collapse.
I think we're going to have riots nationwide, at least in the cities, before the end of 2025.
But maybe that's all part of the process of mass awakening as well.
What's your take on that?
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, you know, there's some things that people just don't care about, but there's some things that everybody cares about.
And that's, you know, their bottom line, their bottom dollar.
When it finally hits their wallet, that's a big deal.
And so I think the economy crashing...
And this is one of the things Trump did, too.
I think he saw that...
We have a debt-based system here, and its long-term sustainability just wasn't there.
Eventually, we were going to reach some sort of crash, right?
And so COVID hits, and look what Trump does at the end of 2020.
All of a sudden, we have this massive printing of money, just massive.
It's almost like he accelerated it.
And so if you're Trump and you know that they're going to steal the election, you know that something like this is going to happen...
And you know the economy is going to crash.
You don't want it to crash on your watch.
So it makes sense that it crashes on Biden's watch before Trump does anything and comes back.
But I think, yeah, the market is likely going to crash.
Our system, it's not sustainable.
But one of the things Trump did, it's so brilliant, is with his executive orders, he does have...
Not just with his executive orders getting money back from those who contributed to the foreign interference and corruption, but he's also called for reparations from China to trillions of dollars.
I mean, I believe he could successfully completely wipe out our debt by the time he comes back and implement some sort of gold-based system if you really wanted to.
Wow.
Wow, that's extraordinary.
And I do want you to talk about that executive order you're referring to.
It was in December of 2020.
No, it was years earlier, actually.
What's...
Okay.
I'm talking about the one where they can seize the assets of those who are engaged in foreign interference.
Yep.
So there's one from, I think it was December of 17.
It was Executive Order 13.
That's the one I'm thinking, yes.
That's the human trafficking and corruption one.
And it's very similar to the one issued September of 2018, which was the foreign interference in the United States election.
Both of them allow for the seizure of assets for anybody directly involved and anybody supporting financially or, you know, materially.
You know, there's the language in there.
It's very broad.
And so you think of I mean, think of that Times article that came out talking about how they pretty much stole the election using corporations.
So if China's involved and then you have all these big tech companies and all these corporations and all these wealthy individuals like Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg, I mean, Trump could get his hands on a ton of money.
Our government could seize a lot of assets based on that alone and wipe out a lot of debt that way.
Yeah, the entire corporation of Facebook could be shut down and all its assets seized and all its managers arrested and all their assets seized under that executive order, if I remember correctly.
Yep, exactly.
And that's for multiple corporations.
It's not just Facebook.
I mean, how many other corporations were involved in this?
Well, pretty much the entire corporate media was...
I mean, CNN almost has nothing left to seize.
Their audience has diminished by 90%.
What's going to be left there?
But that's the other kind of brilliant part of this.
So if, as you say, if this has all been a plan, then Trump, by leaving the Oval Office, he did cause then CNN and other left-wing media to collapse because they no longer had their enemy in Washington to get viewers through.
Yeah, I mean, and if you're the media, I mean, they literally lied about Donald Trump for five straight years.
And eventually, you can't keep covering up your lies with more lies.
And so as people started to realize that they were being lied to, they stopped watching.
And that's why CNN's viewership is down so much.
But there's still a chunk of our population that still watches the mainstream media.
But it's going to keep getting worse as more COVID narrative.
The truth on that comes out.
People are going to start questioning them more.
They're going to be looking for their truth somewhere else.
And again, that's why I think Truth Social is a game changer.
Yeah, let me ask you about that.
How important is that transition to what I call a parallel ecosystem of information?
So, you know, you're being interviewed right now on Brighteon.com.
We're one of many video platforms.
You know, there's Odyssey, there's BitChute, there's Rumble, whatever else is out there.
But as you said, the Truth Social is, you know, an up-and-coming platform, allegedly.
I hope they launch it.
I'm tired of hearing about it.
I'd love to see it, right?
But how big of a role do you think that's going to play in the mass awakening that's necessary?
I think it's huge because we do need a platform for us to reach other people.
And we don't have that right now.
I mean, I'm on Telegram.
That's like the most active place I'm on.
And even there, I feel like there's so many bots and we're still almost shadow man.
And it's hard to really reach people that aren't there specifically.
I did a poll once where if the election were tomorrow...
Would you vote for Biden or Trump or a third-party candidate?
And it was 96% Trump and 4% third-party candidates.
So I mean, the only people I'm really reaching are people that are already on my side of the aisle.
We're not having that impact with the other side.
And that's really what we need to do is get to those people.
That's where Truth Social comes into play.
Well, but skeptically, I'm not sure that the people on the left, I mean, they love their thought bubbles.
They love their reinforcement, and they think that's truth.
By banning opinions that they don't agree with, they think that they're reinforcing truth, but they're not.
They're not likely to come over to Truth Social or any other alternative platform, are they?
Well, there was a poll that was done.
It was in the TMTG, you know, I think it was their corporate slideshow or something.
And this was a poll done by the Hill back in May of 2021.
And it was like one third of all voters said they would they would come over to to truth social if it came on.
And at the time, it was like maybe 10 percent of Democrats.
But but think of how many people have woken up in just the last year since then.
A lot of people have.
I mean, I correlated it to at the time based on Biden's poll numbers, even though they were fake.
But if you if you adjusted for the potential fake, I mean, it was about the same if you're a Biden voter.
You know, if you were approved of Biden, you're about this likely to come on to truth social.
Well, if you look at the polls now and correlate it, I mean, we're closer to two-thirds of the people in that same poll would come over.
I mean, I don't know if that's a perfect translation, but that's how I see it in my mind anyway.
Okay, yeah, that's a good rough estimate.
And we've seen even Black Lives Matter leaders marching against vaccine mandates in the past few months.
So we've seen some of this fight for freedom against medical coercion and medical tyranny has crossed the political spectrum or the ethnic spectrum, and that can only work in our favor as we're trying to defend the real constitutional America, it seems.
Yeah, definitely.
It's stuff like that that it shows that by walking away, Trump has allowed the exposure of the left and the political establishment.
And that was the whole purpose of this.
And people are waking up and they don't even have to fully be awake and know the truth.
They just need to be questioning it enough to look for it elsewhere.
And that's why I think Truth Social is going to be so important.
Okay.
All right.
That's fantastic.
So we're going to wrap up this segment here for Brighteon.tv, but if you would, please stay with us.
We'll do an extended interview on the other side.
And folks, you can watch that extended interview on my channel, HRReport, on Brighteon.com.
But thank you, Patel, for sticking with us here.
It's already been intriguing.
We have more to ask you on the other side.
And thank you all for watching today.
Okay, now we're in the extended interview here.
How about this?
A question I had in mind for you from the very start.
What, in your view, is the most compelling piece of evidence or information that would underscore the existence of this devolution plan actually being in place?
Because it's a tough kind of cognitive chunk for a lot of people to say, whoa, wait a minute, what are you saying?
So what's the most compelling piece of information so far?
Yeah, I mean, it's a multitude of things, but probably the most compelling thing has happened on December 7th of 2020.
Trump issued an executive order.
It was an executive order 13961.
And what this did is it established a committee, and this committee was tasked with implementing and executing a continuity of government plan.
And it spells out the entire thing.
And there was a strategy document that was released with it.
And then you look at what the strategy document said and how it makes it more proactive.
And, you know, we got to get into a cognitive government mindset right now and be ready for these events to happen.
And it's very compelling.
And if you look at, too, the members on that committee...
They're all very key players who went on to form these groups.
And I talk about those groups in that article.
It's part 13.
And these groups, it's almost like we have a small-scale Department of Defense.
We have a small-scale Department of Homeland Security, a small-scale NSC. We have a couple groups that are implementing Trump's agenda and fighting Biden's agenda in the courts.
And so that's just a small thing.
There's so many things throughout the series.
I mean, just right after Joe Biden was declared the winner of the 2020 election on November 8th, Trump went and replaced the Secretary of Defense and then the role of the Department of Defense who is in charge of continuity of government.
And I mean, there's so many things that add up over time.
I mean, if I was in the court of lie, I think I'd have enough evidence to make a conviction at this point with all the circumstantial evidence I got.
You know what I mean?
Absolutely.
And you also go into some of the key people.
Talk to us about Ezra.
What do you think his role is in all of this?
He plays an interesting role.
So at the time, he was already, I think it was in April or August of 2020, he was made the Undersecretary of Defense for Special Operations in Low-Intensity Conflict.
He took that position over from Christopher Miller, who went on to be the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, and then came back on November 9th to be the acting secretary of defense.
But on November 11th, they also made Ezra Cohen-Watnick the undersecretary of defense for intelligence.
So not only was he the highest level civilian for intelligence in the Department of Defense, but he was also the highest level civilian for special ops and low intensity conflict.
And that's what that's what something like devolution is.
That's what we're experiencing right now is it's an information war.
It's a war below the actual threshold of armed conflict.
And that's what Ezra's specialty is.
And then you look a couple weeks later, they promoted that role of special operations and low intensity conflict to report directly to the secretary of defense.
And so that's very interesting.
And then also, he is the chairman of the public interest declassification board.
Trump made him the chairman.
So the guy's playing a key role.
Whatever it is, it's definitely something with devolution.
I wouldn't say he's in charge.
The person that I would think would be in charge of the actual devolution plan, based on the executive order 13961, is Robert O'Brien.
His position as the NSA was tasked as the chair of that committee, but it also said that he could designate anybody he wanted.
So who knows?
Okay.
All right.
And I'm just going to encourage people to check out your website.
Again, it's patelpatriot.substack.com to read all of your articles because it is in-depth.
There's a lot of data and a lot of details here.
But I want to ask you about Space Force.
What you think that is and are those, you know, we've all heard rumors that, oh, the Space Force are the white hat good guys.
So I want to ask you that, but also let me cue up another question for you.
There was breaking news recently that Nancy Pelosi's Capitol Police staged a kind of a Watergate style.
They dressed up as maintenance workers and they went into the office of a conservative congressman I think?
Well, Space Force, first of all, I think it was just very pressing on Trump to even put that in place.
He saw the future wars were cyber, and they're outside of this world.
They're in space.
Just think of the technology that was shown by China recently with that hypersonic missile that could go around the world.
That's something Space Force is going to have to deal with.
In terms of devolution and the election, I think Cybercom and the NSA play a much bigger role, but there's multiple articles out there and quotes that I've even included that You know, Cybercom and Space Force, they kind of go hand in hand.
They, you know, one helps the other, the other, you know, you can't have one without the other.
So I do think they kind of played a role in helping with the election theft or capturing the evidence, but I think it was mostly Cybercom and NSA led by General Nakasone.
And then as far as the Capitol Police thing, I mean, that's a scandal on its own, but it's definitely a part of this larger war going on.
And that all comes down to the January 6th committee, you know, with Trump ordering the 10,000 troops or he gave permission for it.
Nancy Pelosi didn't allow him to come in.
We haven't gotten the full truth about January 6th, but I do think Trump saw it as a setup.
I think the reason he even held a speech in the first place...
It was because he knew they were going to try to do something and hijack it.
And if you wouldn't have, there would have been a lot more people at the Capitol.
But instead, they were all over watching his speech.
He delayed it an hour.
I think he saved people from worse things on January 6th, honestly.
But it'll be interesting to see because I think we're going to get more stories coming out about this Capitol Police story.
That's a big deal.
Yeah, that is a big deal.
Like I said, it's way bigger than Watergate, and they got caught, and it just exposes the total lawlessness and criminality.
But that actually kind of leads me to my next question.
It's kind of, well, okay, these actors or theatrical production people, you know, I'm not saying that Joe Biden's a body double, but it is all theater in the bigger context.
If they can create enough emergencies, they can go ahead and exert power just through the bluster of what they're doing.
So what's to stop them?
They're trying to start a war with Russia right now over Ukraine.
They could release a bioweapon, another one.
In the United States, they could stage a cyber attack on the financial infrastructure of America and blame it on Russia.
They could turn off the power grid, plunge America into darkness, and blame patriots because we've seen Homeland Security already saying that conservatives might attack the power grid, which is nonsense.
But it seems like they could keep creating emergencies and stay in power, couldn't they?
Well, see, that's what I think a lot of what the devolution team are doing.
They're trying to protect us from those things happening.
They have their own intelligence apparatus.
They're making sure that the power grid stays on.
They're making sure that stuff like that doesn't happen.
But this is a war.
There are moves.
There are counter moves.
And the left, the political establishment, whatever you call them, the deep state, they're going to do everything they can to stay in power.
They're going to ride this out as long as they can.
Even though they're...
They're a cornered animal, so to speak.
They're going to fight tooth and nail until they're done.
And so a big part of that, too, is still...
They can keep trying and trying and do all these scandals.
All it does is get more people to wake up, which is...
I truly believe that's one of the most important things, is people waking up and getting to a point where it's so obvious that they're corrupt, they've been lied to, that they drop the election evidence.
And it's like, okay, well...
All this stuff has happened, all these lies, and this guy isn't even supposed to be here in the first place.
I think that's what we're waiting for.
Okay, speaking of elections, number one, do you think that the midterm elections are going to take place, first of all, because they could possibly create some big emergency and delay them or cancel them?
And then secondly, do you think that they're going to be fair and free elections or anything close to that?
What's your take?
This is where my opinion probably differs from others.
I mean, again, we have no idea how it's going to play out.
Some people think that Trump's going to ride this out to 2024.
I personally believe Trump is going to come back before the 2022 midterms.
And he's kind of hinted at this along the way.
He said, you know...
We can't have 2022 or 2024 until we fix 2020.
We've got to return the diamonds.
He just recently put out a statement where he said we haven't even seen anything yet based on the election evidence.
He's multiple times referenced, too, that the Supreme Court hasn't actually seen any of the election fraud evidence.
And so that's why I'm of the mindset that somebody, you know, maybe Branovich in Arizona, he brings forth charges to the state legislature.
And even Fincham yesterday put out that That bill, I mean, that was pretty damning in and of itself with all the election stuff in there.
But I do think at some point, one of these legislators or multiple of them are going to bring evidence to the Supreme Court and say, hey, this is what's going on.
I do think we're going to have midterms.
Who knows what the landscape is going to look like by then.
I think regardless, it's going to be a bloodbath.
I think the Republicans are going to they're not going to be able to fraud their way through this one, whether Trump's there or not.
But I do think Trump will be back.
We'll have measures in place where either way, I think 2022 is the midterms are going to be a game changer.
So just to be clear, you think there's a there's a chance that Trump could be restored to power before this November?
That's my opinion.
Yeah, I do think so.
I think it's lining up that way with Truth Social coming out, the timing of that, with all of Trump's statements.
He did that interview with Kosh Patel yesterday, and in there he said something like, how can somebody steal an election and get another three years?
These little comments that he's making along the way, they really lead me to believe that he's planning to fix things, or he's planning to have this fixed before the 2022 midterms.
Okay.
Well, that's really interesting.
But, you know, Trump is, at least in my opinion, he's made some wrong moves in terms of supporting the vaccine that has caused some erosion of his support base, including among myself and Alex Jones and others who are very unhappy.
Now, it seems like Trump has backed away recently from really promoting vaccines.
But what's your take on Trump and Operation Warp Speed and his support for Pfizer?
Yeah, I did a whole article on this.
So it's my part 15.
And I tried to stay away from vaccine stuff for a while because it was so divisive.
But then people came out about the Army vaccine that was in production.
The Walter Reed one.
It kills all variants.
So let me throw a couple things by here.
First of all, Trump's pro-vaccine stance.
I did a poll on this on my Telegram.
It's up to like 100,000 people who voted in it now.
And the question was, has Trump's pro-vaccine stance led you to get the vaccine?
And 99% of the respondents said, no, it hasn't.
I don't think Trump's pro-vaccine stance is affecting his base because he taught us to question things, including himself.
And so we're not just going to blindly follow everything he says.
But then you look at the other side of the aisle, the left, nobody on the left, they either already have the vaccine or they don't trust Trump because of what the media has said about him, that they're not going to get the vaccine because Trump is promoting it, right?
So I don't think Trump is having a material impact on how many people are actually getting vaccinated.
Even though he's come out pro-vaccine, I don't think he's affecting the numbers, really.
I'm sure there's outliers there, but I think the only reason he's coming out pro-vaccine is to keep the blame on Biden.
Because if he was anti-vaccine, the media would continue to lie about him and say that, you know, we're still under COVID because of Trump.
You know, the economy is taking because of Trump.
All these bad things are happening because of Trump.
They can't do that because he's been carrying a pro-vaccine stance.
But then even think back further, you know, Trump had constantly taken credit for the vaccines, right?
He said, you know, I did this, I did this, I did this.
This is my vaccine.
Every time he did that, the media and the left would always come out with an article like, Trump does not deserve credit for the vaccines.
This was the public health officials.
This was the, you know, big pharma.
It's not Trump.
And then hydroxychloroquine is another example.
Project Veritas recently came out with those major Murphy documents.
And in there, there's a quote that said, hydroxychloroquine was deemed a curative by the Department of Defense as of April 20th.
April of 2020.
And in March 19th of 2020 was when Trump first started pushing hydroxychloroquine.
So he pushed it.
The left, everybody went all in against him.
And they're the ones that, I mean, Trump was literally trying to save lives by pushing hydroxychloroquine.
And the left was the ones that killed him.
So I think there's a lot going on behind the scenes.
I mean, I could probably spend another 15 minutes just on his vaccine response and show how it was kind of part of devolution.
And there was much more at play here, but I don't know how much you want me to focus on it.
No, I mean, that's okay.
You've already provided a lot of good information.
Let me ask you a related question, which is about the Pentagon.
And I guess maybe a skeptical question.
If the good guys are in charge, how is it that the Pentagon is using the vaccine issue to push out a lot of Christians who are active duty soldiers, Christians, conservatives, or Trump supporters who tend to be the people that would say no to the vaccines?
They're getting kicked out of the military, and that's...
That seems like a permanent situation.
So the military, there is a purge happening.
How do you explain what's behind all that?
Okay.
So with devolution, I mean, there's only a certain number of people that can know something like this is going on.
A lot of the people that are maybe running this, like maybe protecting the power grid, the special ops, it's very compartmentalized.
They might be doing something and don't even realize that they're part of the devolution operation.
The ones that know the full scope of the plan are people like the Secretary of Defense, Chris Miller, before he left, Trump, his handful of members.
But then as far as the military goes, You really only need to inform the 11 combatant commanders, right?
And so everybody else below that likely doesn't know what's happening.
And so a part of waking people up, it's not just the normal everyday citizens, but the military has to be woken up too.
So even though we have this group of some in the military, some of Trump's cabinet running this devolution operation, a large majority of the military had no idea.
And even the ones that took office and are implementing a lot of this stuff, They're just exposing, again, the left and the Biden administration, and they're waking people up.
I mean, anybody that gets kicked out, I fully believe will be able to come back in once everything gets returned to normal, so to speak.
But there's been some interesting things.
I mean, think about...
It was a while ago.
It was after Biden first came in.
It was this last summer, 2021.
Biden was openly talking in his administration about getting back into the Iran nuclear deal and how they wanted to make progress with Iran.
And then two days later, our military goes and they bomb a bunch of Iranian military bases.
And so there's lots of examples of...
Trump's military, you know, his military policy being carried out against the public narrative that the Biden administration was trying to walk by.
So, you know, how much is the military truly following the Biden administration?
You don't know.
Well, especially after Afghanistan and the Kabul fiasco, who in the military trusts Biden?
Let me ask you a question about when the reveal happens, as you're calling it, and let's say Trump is restored to power.
Do you believe there will be mass arrests and maybe people...
Thousands or tens of thousands of people charged with, what, sedition, treason, crimes against America?
How do you see that going down, or does everybody just get a waiver to let it all go?
I mean, how does that work in your mind?
No, I'm sure there's got to be arrests.
I don't know how many.
I don't know how big of a process.
I mean, do we even have enough people in our military to, like, carry that out?
I really don't know.
But, I mean, that's where you can go about, you know, deputizing, you know, other people.
But, yeah, I think there has to be a level of responsibility here at some point.
I mean, people need to be held responsible for this.
And it's not just the highest levels.
I mean, there's so many people all the way down the food chain.
I mean, just look at the mules, that documentary discussion.
Dinesh D'Souza is coming out with about the 2000 mules who are doing the election fraud.
People like that have to be held responsible too.
I think Trump is going to end up setting an example with this.
It might not be like an overnight thing where we arrest all these people, but it might take a few years.
Who knows?
But I do think there will be people held responsible for this.
So should that happen?
It seems like we'd be back into the pre-2020 kind of color revolution scenario where then you would have massive riots from the left.
Right back there, BLM and Antifa sometimes being funded by globalists and so on.
You'd have this massive uprising against Trump's return, wouldn't you?
Well, that's what you'd think.
But if Trump would have came back prior to 2020 or the January 20th of 2021, the inauguration, I think there would have been massive riots.
But now I think a lot of people have been woken up.
I don't think they're going to be as massive.
And then I think so.
In one of my articles, I talk about how it was June, June 1st of 2020, the night Trump or the morning Trump walked out with the Bible in front of St.
John's Church.
That was the first day that the military started surveilling Antifa protests.
So the military was monitoring and surveilling Antifa protests.
Fast forward to January 5th, the day before the insurrection, Trump comes out with this memo saying how we need to declare Antifa as a terrorist organization for all the stuff that they're doing.
I think he fully had intelligence that they were going to hijack the protest on January 6th.
And then now fast forward again to the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict.
You hardly saw anything, any sort of riots happen.
I think Antifa has largely been hollowed out.
Huh.
Wow, okay.
Do you think that's because of a lack of funding or a lack of recruitment?
Because people just aren't as angry anymore about Trump or what?
No, I think our military and everybody, I think they were hollowed out.
I mean, Bill Barr and the Department of Justice was investigating Antifa in the summer of 2020, but you never really heard about what happened with that, right?
It just kind of fizzled out and you don't really hear anything anymore.
So where did those investigations go?
And we know our military was surveilling them.
There's evidence of it.
There's articles.
There's letters from Congress asking why our military was surveilling these protests.
And so what were they doing with that information?
And think of Right after Joe Biden's inauguration, there was still months and months of all these crazy military flights all over the country.
A lot of them were surveillance stuff.
I mean, were they mapping out Antifa and even the Chinese foreign nationals in our country and neutralizing a lot of those threats?
I don't know.
I mean, there's no specific proof that I can say that, yeah, our military mapped out Antifa.
We got all these guys and that's why they didn't riot during the Rittenhouse trial.
But They didn't riot during the Rittenhouse trial, and that's something they would always do in 2020.
So what happened?
There's something wrong.
Well, if they had rioted, I know the perfect person to defend the courthouse, and that would be Kyle Rittenhouse.
Right.
Just give him his rifle back and say, do what you do best, right?
Okay, a different question.
You still doing okay on time?
Yeah, I've got as long as you need.
Okay, thank you.
Because, you know, you're a very intelligent person, and you have a lot of intriguing information, and you're bringing up a lot of new questions.
So one question I have is, it seems like there must be kind of a countdown timer to devolution in some way, because for the following reason...
There is right now a kind of secessionist movement away from the corruption of D.C. You're seeing states embattled with D.C. For example, when Biden and the FDA have tried to take away monoclonal antibodies, and there's discussion now from states like Florida and Texas to say, well, wait a minute.
Maybe we should legalize these drugs here locally in our states, which really means nullification of the FDA. And there are other examples of that.
For example, if the Biden administration gets really aggressive about gun control, gun confiscation, the ATF is set to make a lot of new decisions about 80% lowers and arm braces and so on.
What if states just say, you know what, we're just going to declare our independence.
It seems like America breaks up Before too much longer if this devolution doesn't happen and bring unity.
So what's your take on that?
Well, I mean, isn't that kind of how our founders intended it to be?
People control their own lives from the state level.
We shouldn't be controlled by the federal government.
That's what our founders intended.
And I think that's the campaign Trump ran on in 2016.
He said he was going to give the government back to be the people.
And now we're finally seeing that unfold here in 2020 and 2021 with a tyrannical government trying to implement all these federal mandates and all this federal change and have all this overreach.
But our state-level governments are finally saying, no, that's enough.
And so I think this is part of it.
I don't think we'll see anybody get to the point of actually seceding, but I think it's a good sign to see these local states and governments doing stuff like this.
Okay, then next question.
Thank you for that answer.
Next question.
Why would the Biden regime be taking actions that seem to be accelerating the public's distrust and hatred of Biden himself?
For example, requiring vaccine mandates for truckers, causing supply chain disruptions and food inflation.
That's off the charts.
I can't even tell you how many people talk to me and they just came from the grocery store and they're like, oh my God, that thing went up You know, 60% in two weeks or from the gas pump and so on.
Is the Biden regime just totally incompetent or suicidal or what?
I mean, aren't they making this worse on themselves?
That's a great question, and that's the million-dollar question.
Are they doing it on purpose, or are they just that incompetent?
Either way, I think where this is going is both sides here are trying to push for this great reset, so to speak.
Klaus Schwab of the world, they're talking about this carbon-based system, the one-world government where everybody's controlled, the globalization of government itself.
That's what they're pushing towards.
But I think who's going to be there to press that reset button?
Is it going to be them or is it going to be Trump and his team?
You see hints of, you know, Trump was working for America first.
He was pushing for that.
And the true enemy, the deep state, I mean, it's a global class of elites, right?
They want the globalization.
And what I think we're still seeing unfold under the Biden administration is we're seeing globalization kind of die in a way.
I mean, you see China, it's so interesting.
They're very pro-globalization, but even stuff happening there, they have clamped down on tech.
They have these two huge companies that have folded that they normally would prop up.
They have all sorts of container ships on the coast.
They shut down ports over there.
I mean, globalization is slowly finally coming to an end.
And so is that something the Biden administration would want or would be doing?
Or is that something that's going on under devolution too?
You know, it's interesting.
I don't know.
Yeah, well, just to add to that, from all the other experts I've interviewed, experts about health and vaccines and so on, there is going to be a mass die-off that has already begun, and it's going to accelerate.
And I'm just thinking about the implications of that over the next five years are going to be world-changing when people realize they were lied to about the vaccines and about the pandemic.
I mean, public faith in institutions is going to just completely vanish.
You know, faith in the CDC, the FDA, but also the FBI and the DOJ. Look at the J6 political prisoners and so on.
You know, public faith is crumbling.
This is usually, I mean, historically what leads to, well, revolutions, isn't it?
Yeah, and I think that's part of why Trump walked away.
And I think it's a good thing for a public faith to finally be questioning these organizations.
It's the FBI, it's all these health professionals, big pharma, big corporations.
They all need to be dismantled, essentially.
I mean, that's what's so important here of what's going on.
You nailed it on the head.
People need to be questioning those people because they don't have our best interests in mind.
And you look at, you know...
I don't know how conspiratorial you want to get.
There's plenty of circumstantial evidence out there that they've been planning this vaccine or this pandemic for a long time.
They have the patents on the vaccines for a period of time before the...
Almost 20 years, yeah.
Yeah.
So, I mean, how long have they been planning this?
How long did Trump know this was going to happen?
And was it going to happen regardless of what Trump did?
And so, with Operation Warp Speed, I think, you know, that was just one of the ways he dismantled their plan by he basically forced them to bring their vaccines to market instead of keeping us locked down for five years.
You know, you got to view this in a lens of us being at war, because that's really what we're in.
And there's going to be casualties of war no matter what happens.
And so I think Trump bases decisions on, you know, more of a risk-based analysis, like, you know, what's the most cost-effective way to do this or reverse way to do this if it's going to happen regardless?
And that's how they move forward.
So some people can't wrap their hands around that.
They'll blame Trump forever.
But I do think a lot of Trump's move point to him, you know, Him doing his best to counter the deep state plan the best he could.
Okay.
Well, this has been a fascinating conversation.
You've been very gracious with your time.
And I just want to ask you, how can people support you or your work or getting it out?
What's the best way for people to support you?
I have my website, devolution.link.
I don't really push for subscribers.
I do this full-time, but just subscribing to my sub-stack, that's the best way to support my work.
I know times are tight.
I believe a crash is coming.
I don't ask for anybody's money ever.
I'd rather you just share the series to some of your friends.
What writing the series has really done for me is it brought me a level of peace.
I literally thought it was crazy for a while by thanking Trump.
Couldn't have just walked away.
And once I started reading and writing, I really developed this inner peace of like, oh my gosh, I wasn't wrong about Trump.
There's so much evidence out there that devolution is real and there's more going on than we realize.
So you can share that piece with other people too.
Okay.
Now, the way Substack works, people can subscribe with a donation or a payment.
Is that correct?
Yep.
I think on my website, I have $10 a month or $75 a year.
Okay.
All right.
So, folks, if you choose to support Patel's work, that's one way to do it.
And by the way, you know, Substack, there are a lot of great people.
Like Steve Kirsch, for example, is on Substack as well.
And he's doing great work on the vaccines and others.
Is there anything else you want to mention or plug or promote here before we wrap this up?
No, we have a docu-series that I've been working with this guy on that's come out about the Devolution series.
And it's another way where if you don't want to sit down and read the full articles, we have two episodes out now.
It's called Devolved.
If you go to Rumble and search Devolved, or it's on my website too, devolution.link, you can find it there.
But yeah, it's a really compelling series.
It's like a Netflix-style docu-series, only 30 minutes long each episode, and it's very compelling.
I'd check that out too.
Wow, okay.
Well, I am obliged as the founder of Brighteon to ask if you could post that on Brighteon for people.
Your guy can just create a channel and you can post those there.
And I'll tell you what, if you'll hang on here, I'll give you my mobile number and you can text me when that goes live and then I'll get my editorial team to cover it.
We'll help get that out there for folks.
Yeah, because I really, I gotta say, even though I've asked a lot of skeptical questions, I'm just trying to ask what I think the audience would be thinking of, but I really admire your work, and I think you're doing amazing research, and it's very important.
I mean, you're kind of like, you know, you're the first person historian.
You're documenting history as it's unfolding day by day in one of the most interesting chapters of world history that we will ever live through.
Yeah, it's interesting to put it.
I never really thought about it like that, but that means a lot.
I appreciate that.
Yeah, absolutely.
And if you have breaking news or anything that you want to share with us, since you'll have my number, feel free to reach out.
Love to get you on.
Share anything you've got going, especially as these triggers start to happen.
If you start to see new signs of things that you've maybe theoretically talked about before and they start happening, we've got to get you on, man, to talk about that.
Yeah, definitely.
I'll come back anytime, too.
So this is fun.
I'll definitely come back.
All right.
Well, that's great to hear, Patel.
All right.
Well, thank you so much for everything that you do.
And again, folks, the website is patelpatriot.substack.com.
We'll put it on screen for you.
And thank you so much for joining me today, Patel.
Yeah.
Thanks, Mike.
All right.
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We want to get the word out.
We're all about sharing, kind of open sourcing all this information and wake people up because, yeah, this is history unfolding.
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