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May 22, 2022 - Health Ranger - Mike Adams
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Steve Kirsch warns of "incomprehensible" conspiracy among government and science academia
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And in fact, doctors can't speak out.
If any doctor said that the vaccines were not safe and effective, or if they said that masks do not work, they would be examined to have their license to practice medicine removed.
And so this is why there is this, oh, all my doctors say that this is safe and effective and masks work.
when in fact these vaccines have killed, by our estimates, at least 150,000 and perhaps as many as over 300,000 Americans who basically were killed at the recommendation of the United States government.
Welcome to the show here on Brighttown.tv.
I'm Mike Adams, of course, the founder of Brighteon, and I built this platform so we can have conversations like the one you're going to hear today.
Our guest today, first-time guest, is Steve Kirsch, and he's become really well-known.
I know a lot of you are fans of his work on Substack, and his Substack URL is stevekirsch, K-I-R-S-C-H, dot substack.com.
And he has done just an exquisite analysis of the data that's emerging on the vaccine effectiveness, or lack thereof, and he really digs into the data.
He's a data-driven individual, very high IQ person, and he's had a lot to say that should be driving our policies about vaccines or vaccine mandates, but for some reason isn't.
So why is, quote, the science not being driven by the real science?
That's the question we have today for Steve Kirsch, and we'll ask him about much more.
So stay with us when we return here on Brighteon.tv.
We'll be right back with Steve Kirsch from Substack.com.
All right, welcome back, folks.
Mike Adams here, brighteon.tv and brighteon.com for the extended version of this conversation.
I want to welcome Steve Kirsch to the show.
Steve, it's an honor to have you on, sir.
Our fans are fans of your work, and just thank you for taking the time to join us today.
Mike, thank you.
It's great to be here.
Well, you are really emerging as one of the true thought leaders in this space of analyzing the hard data.
And as I understand, you don't have an ideological opposition to vaccines at all.
You're just looking at the data and seeing that this is different from what we're being told.
Could you kind of, number one, summarize what you're doing and why you're doing it?
What's driving you in this mission where you're putting out these articles on Substack.com?
Well, you know, I had believed everything from the CDC and FDA and NIH about the vaccines and the safety.
I was double vaccinated back in March.
You know, we were eager to go and get vaccinated and have an extra level of protection against COVID. Yeah.
Myself, my wife, my three kids were all doubly vaccinated.
And about a month after we were vaccinated, I started hearing stories from my friends, stories about death and disability.
And that concerned me.
So I started looking into it because I knew my friends weren't lying to me.
I started looking at the data, and what the data showed was consistent with what my friends experienced, and that these vaccines are the most dangerous vaccines of all time, thousands of times more deadly than, say, even the deadliest vaccine, which is the smallpox vaccine.
And so when I found that out, I tried to get people's attention and nobody would listen.
They all thought that I wasn't interpreting the data correctly.
But there was no doubt in my mind that what the data was telling me was unambiguous.
And and of course, I found other people as well, including Dr. Marlon, who is the inventor of the mRNA vaccine, who realized the same thing.
And Dr. Brett Weinstein as well.
And, you know, the three of us were on that famous Dark Horse podcast for about three and a half hours that had close to a million views before it was expunged from YouTube.
Right.
Well, see, that's the other side of this I wanted to ask you about.
Do you find it shocking?
Because, you know, you and I both grew up in a world where normally science welcomed dissenting views or competing theories, and that was how we sorted out truth from fiction.
But now, one side of this debate is completely silenced.
Has that surprised you?
Yeah, it has.
You know, in the past, it's always been that people could express their views and express views that maybe disagreed with other scientists, and the scientists would respect that, and they would have a discussion or they would, you know, publish articles and register their dissent.
Well, here you can't do that anymore.
You're not allowed to publish articles that the articles don't get published.
And people who dissent, they're silenced.
They're put on a list.
They're taken off of Twitter.
I recently joined Peter McCullough and Alex Berenson in Twitter heaven.
I have a permanent pass.
They said it was an irrevocable pass to Twitter Heaven.
So we're up there now where, you know, people can't communicate with us.
And so what's happening is that people who are telling the truth, and it's backed by science, are being de-platformed.
And I've never seen anything like this before, where the truth tellers are being de-platformed.
They're being censored.
And nobody wants to debate the truth tellers.
And this is, you know, this has been going on actually in the vaccine space for a long time.
You know, Robert F. Kennedy has been trying to get a fair debate with scientists on the safety of vaccines in general and autism and so forth that comes from these childhood vaccines.
And nobody wants to debate him.
He's been trying for 20 years.
Get a debate on this.
And I've been trying, too.
You know, I'm fairly well off.
I offered a million dollars to the members of the CDC and FDA committee just to sit down and have a discussion with me for a few hours.
A million dollars for a few hours discussion.
And, of course, it would be recorded.
Right.
We want to make sure that everybody then realizes that I'm discredited by the information they're presenting.
But none of them would go on camera with me for even 30 minutes for a million dollars.
Now, that tells you something.
It says that the people in charge do not want to be questioned about this at all.
Well, that's exactly right.
I'm really glad you brought this up.
And on one hand, I would also say welcome to the club because people like myself, you know, I was deplatformed from YouTube in 2014.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, yeah.
I was one of the first.
And then, you know, the Alex Jones of the world and so on were deplatformed very early.
But what you are referring to is people like Alex Berenson, former New York Times science writer, Dr.
Peter McCullough, Dr.
Robert Malone, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
as well, and yourself now being deplatformed where big tech is taking a position that the only allowed speech is speech that conforms to whatever memo they receive from so-called authoritative sources that are demonstrably lying to the public.
That's where we are.
Yeah, that's correct.
It is not about truth.
So, you know, there's nothing that protects truthful speech in America.
So you can be telling the truth and be lawfully silenced in America.
And so this is the new way here is for the White House to issue lists of people that must be silenced and for censorship to be enforced by the high tech companies so that the only channels available to me to communicate are the alternative channels like Substack, like Gab, and like Telegram.
Oh, let's mention your Gab URL, stkirsch, correct?
Yes, on gab.com.
Okay, and Kirsch is spelled K-I-R-S-C-H. We'll put it on screen for everybody.
And then Substack, I think, is where you're best known, and I would encourage everybody, when they go to your Substack page, there's an email sign-up right there for your newsletter, and they can enter their email address and get that.
And what I'm noticing is so many independent media sources are republishing your Substack articles, so you're having a tremendous amount of influence even beyond your own site there.
Yeah, and by the way, it's free to subscribe.
Yeah, it's free.
Thank you.
I should have mentioned that.
What about, just because this is the first time that you have been introduced to this platform, could you give us just a little background?
How did you come to be this person who is a data-driven analyst of this current mess we're in?
Well, look, I've always had a background in mathematics and was in high school.
I always excelled at math.
I was taking second-year honors calculus courses at UCLA while I was in high school.
And was acing the classes there.
So I've always been kind of a math junkie and kind of a chess addict and so forth.
And so I've always been interested in science and truth throughout my career.
I've never been called a spreader of misinformation or a conspiracy theorist or anything like that.
I'm 65 years old, or I will be shortly.
And, you know, I have no history at all.
And I don't have any conflict of interest either.
You know, I left my job in high tech in order to pursue this full time because I think it was important for there to be all hands on deck here.
Because what's happening is so appalling.
When you actually look at the primary data, the data that you're supposed to be looking at, most people don't know about the VAERS system or even how to make a VAERS query.
And so they have to rely on the representations of their doctors, and most people will do that.
But the problem is that the doctors rely on a representation of other sources, and they rely on representations of other sources and ultimately to the CDC. And so when the CDC is misrepresenting the truth, We're good to go.
They would be examined to have their license to practice medicine removed.
And so this is why there is this, oh, all my doctors say that this is safe and effective and masks work.
When, in fact, these vaccines have killed, by our estimates, at least 150,000 and perhaps as many as over 300,000 Americans who basically were killed at the recommendation of the United States government.
That's extraordinary.
And then, of course, we have these mask mandates, you know, which are completely nonsensical because masks have never worked against respiratory viruses in human history.
And now, all of a sudden, they're mandated, even though there isn't a single randomized controlled trial that That shows that masking works.
And a perfect example of that is this recent Bangladesh study, which was hailed by experts as proving that, yes, once and for all, we have proven definitively that masks work.
Well, that's only if you didn't read the study.
And so most people just don't have time to read the study.
But if you read the study and you get the data set and you understand how the randomization was done, it was not individuals who were randomized, but it was they randomized whether a particular town.
It's called cluster randomization.
And so these studies proved, in fact, that, if anything, that the maps are completely useless.
And yet we are forcing people to deprive themselves of oxygen and to risk getting respiratory viruses, infections, because they're wearing masks.
I mean, it is totally anti-science what we're doing with the vaccines and with masks.
And nobody...
Nobody wants to debate me on this.
We thought we got some doctors on Clubhouse that said, yeah, fine, we agree, we want to debate them.
And they didn't realize this is a recorded debate.
Once they heard it was a recorded debate, they said, no, no, we're out of here.
Well, you're speaking to the scientific literacy of the corporate-run media as well, where those so-called journalists, they really can't read science or interpret science.
And I know you don't know this about me.
Of course, I'm called a conspiracy theorist as well, but I am a published scientist.
I own and founded an analytical mass spec laboratory and developed methodology for quantitation of glyphosate and things like that.
And so one of the things that we know about science is that we used to say science is self-correcting, right?
And the only way it can be self-correcting is if there is an allowed window of a dissenting voice to come in and say, ah, but...
Right?
And that's what has been silenced now.
So the mechanism of self-correction is, in fact, silenced at this point, which means that, quote, the science, it's become a dogma, maybe a cult, and they can assert anything without anything being questioned.
Crazy.
Yeah, it is crazy.
It's unprecedented.
You know, science used to work.
And you could get papers published, right?
But now, like Jessica Rose and Peter McCullough tried to get their study on myocarditis published.
It was accepted.
It passed peer review.
It was accepted by the editor.
It was even published in the journal.
And after it got published, the publisher of the journal removed it.
It's unprecedented.
We've never heard of anything like this before because he didn't like what it said.
The Danish mask study was documented in the British Medical Journal.
The Danish mask study showed that masks had a negative effect on And they couldn't get any journal to publish the paper until they changed the result so that they changed the abstract so it would say that, well, we couldn't determine whether mass worked or, you know, they made it a neutral thing.
And once they did that, then they were able to get their paper published.
So this is not, this is basically, you have to make the science-conform analysis.
With whatever the White House and the NIH are saying, and then you get published.
But the corruption extends into the CDC. So I have a friend And I said, hey, did you get vaccinated?
He said, no.
I said, how did you figure that out?
I got hoodwinked into getting a vaccination because in March, I had no idea.
I mean, how did you know?
He says, I have some friends who work at the CDC and they called me in January and they said, do not take the vaccine.
No kidding.
No, I'm not kidding.
And I'm going to have this guy on.
I'm going to interview him on video.
We were supposed to do it last night.
Yeah.
Well, that's going to be really powerful.
But with what you're doing, it's very powerful.
You're having a lot of reach.
What do you hope to accomplish?
I mean, I haven't heard you call for ending all vaccines yet.
I mean, you're not a political activist.
You're an analyst.
But what do you hope people might do with the information that you're putting out there?
Well, you know, last night I finished writing an affidavit, and it's one of about 10 affidavits that are being submitted to support the case of the Children's Health Defense, which is challenging the mandates in the Los Angeles Unified School District.
Who are trying to mandate vaccination for all the kids.
And if you don't get vaccinated, then you don't get to participate with the normal stuff in the school.
And I read their affidavits and basically says, well, the The CDC has said, the FDA has said it's safe and effective.
So therefore, there's no problem here, Your Honor.
You know, you can trust them.
Well, look, you know...
We're kind of old-fashioned on our side.
We actually go in and look at the data.
And the problem is the data doesn't support these statements from the CDC that these vaccines are safe and effective.
It doesn't support it at all.
It shows thousands, over 4,000 Adverse events that are elevated from previous vaccines.
And they say, oh, no, no, no.
That's just because it's over-reporting in the VAERS system.
Well, excuse me.
I'm friends with a neurologist in California, and she has a practice, 20,000 patients.
And She's got over 2,000 VAERS reports that she needs to file this year out of 2,000 patients.
She's only filed two.
Oh, my.
So she's underreporting by a factor of 1,000.
That's not overreporting.
That's underreporting.
And the more stunning thing is that I asked her, well, how many VAERS reports have you made in the past 11 years?
And she said zero.
And I said, well, how come?
How come you haven't been reporting these things?
She said there was nothing to report.
So in 11 years, she's reported zero.
Now, let's say she reported one in 11 years, and now she's reporting 2,000 this year.
So that would be an increase over, you know, essentially a 20,000-fold increase.
In the rate of reporting for her, assuming she had one.
I mean, she had zero.
So it's even more than that.
But we can call it a baseline of 20,000 times elevated versus previous vaccines.
That means that these vaccines are off the charts in terms of a safety profile.
But has the CDC or the FDA ever found any kind of safety signal?
You know, other than, oh, you know, pain in the injection side and the obvious stuff.
The answer is no.
They admitted that the myocarditis signal was not found by the CDC or the FDA. They admitted at a recent committee hearing that it was the DOD who spotted the safety signal.
They relied on the Department of Defense to find the myocarditis safety signal.
I mean, these people are both incompetent And they're corrupt.
And there's no question they're corrupt, because when I have approached them many times and said, hey, you know, our data...
We used the CDC methodology to compute the VAERS underreporting factor and so forth.
So we did it by the book.
We did it by the approved methodology, and we used the government numbers.
And what we found...
It's over 300,000 deaths.
And so we said, look, you know, we don't want to be spreading misinformation.
If we got it wrong, please tell us because, you know, we have a lot of followers and we don't want to be spreading misinformation.
Please talk to us.
Let's go on a recorded call so we can show people maybe if we don't understand it, other people will.
And you can get your point across and you can discredit us.
They will not do that.
They'll happily go on CNN and Yeah.
No, at a drop of a pin, you know, Monica Gandhi will be on CNN. I offer Monica Gandhi a million dollars to talk to me?
No way!
No way!
She will not talk to me for a million dollars, but she does it for free when CNN calls.
Now, this range that you're giving, $150,000 to $300,000, and I know you're aware of this, but just to point out to our audience, there is a backlog of VAERS events that have not yet been reported by the frontline medical staff, as you just described.
Secondly, we know from other news sources that many hospital administrators have ordered their staff to not issue VAERS reports, even when adverse reactions are observed.
And then thirdly, we know from attorney Thomas Renz and others that there is a very slow backlog of data entry at the HHS level of entering the VAERS reports into the VAERS system, and the backlog is estimated to be many months.
It's hard to know exactly, but given those multiple delays and backlogs, Just reasonably, your current numbers could be double or triple right now.
We just don't know for sure.
Yeah, we don't know for sure.
You know, we're saying 150,000 because we looked at eight different ways to calculate this out.
So various is one of the ways.
But then we have seven other ways where we estimated the number of excess deaths due to the vaccine.
And The lowest number that we got in the other seven ways was 150,000.
So we're being conservative here because we don't want to be discredited.
We want to say, hey, look, we have eight different ways to show 150,000 deaths or more.
And I even offered a million dollars to anyone who could dispute one of the analysis that was done by one of our statisticians, Matthew Crawford.
And I said, hey, you know, look, if you can prove that Matthew got it wrong by a factor of three or more, And he's basically at over $150,000.
So a factor of three would be 50,000 or fewer deaths.
Win a million dollars.
Nobody's taking me up on it.
It's a quick, easy million, nothing to risk.
You just proved that we're wrong, and nobody's been able to step up to the plate and do that.
I like to think of it as the ultimate peer review.
It's the million-dollar peer review.
The Million Dollar Challenge.
Okay, we're about to wrap up this segment on BrightTown.tv.
We're going to have an extended conversation, folks, on BrightTown.com.
And this is Steve Kirsch, and the website is stevekirsch.substack.com.
Feel free to share.
There's an interview everywhere.
Stay with us for the extended conversation.
Thanks for watching today.
Okay, we're now in the extended segment.
I'm sorry to interrupt you there, Steve.
But you're right on point.
Now, let me ask you, there's been some breaking news on the day that we are recording this interview.
Number one, there's been a supposed Omicron variant detected in a vaccinated person in California who arrived from South Africa.
And I'd like to get your comments on the entire Omicron hysteria situation.
Secondly, Jim Cramer from CNBC... As of last night, called for military enforcement of mandatory vaccines across America.
I'm not sure he understands what he's actually asking for.
Oh, and the EU Commission president says mandatory vaccines for all members of the EU. So those three things, what's your take on that?
These people aren't looking at what the data says.
None of them wants to look at the data.
That's the thing.
So the first one you mentioned, so prompt me on the...
The Omicron variant in California.
Yeah, the Omicron.
Yeah, so the word out of South Africa is that it's highly contagious and fairly mild.
And of course, that makes sense because the vaccines, when they mutate, they tend to mutate into a form that is...
More contagious and less likely to kill you because otherwise it won't survive.
Because if it kills the host, the host isn't around to spread.
If it kills the host quickly, the host isn't around to spread.
So there's a natural selection.
It's not like the virus is kind.
It's just that the natural selection process sort of favors a virus which mutates in a way that is very infective but not deadly.
And so, you know, Omicron is the perfect virus to get.
If you're going to get infected with COVID, you want to get infected with something that's not going to put you in the hospital or kill you.
So it's like...
Please let me get infected.
Because once you're infected, then you develop a natural immunity to COVID, which, of course, means you can't spread it to anybody else.
And if you ever get infected with another variant, you're not going to go to the hospital or die.
So this is like we want to encourage people to get Omicron.
And if you do get Omicron, we want to encourage people to use a trusted early treatment protocol like the Fareed Tyson protocol, which is 99.76% reduction in hospitalization rate and 100% reduction in death rate.
So if you get it, first of all, even if you don't treat it, you're probably not going to die or be hospitalized.
But if you do treat it, Great.
You'll have a nice time.
You'll be immune.
You know, Aaron Rodgers did exactly the right thing.
He basically didn't get the vaccine.
He got COVID. He's now the safest guy on the team.
He did the right thing for himself.
He did the right thing for his team.
And he did the right thing for society.
He's criticized for that.
What kind of healthcare system fires the doctors and nurses that have achieved natural immunity?
I mean, those would be the people you would want in the emergency rooms and the ICUs, right?
In a heartbeat, because they can't, even if they get reinfected, they cannot spread it.
There isn't a single documented known case of spreading from someone who already had COVID. So you don't want to fire these people.
You want to fire everybody else, you know, because those people are the risk.
The people who have recovered immunity are the people that you want to embrace.
You want to give them bonuses.
You want to make sure that they don't leave to somewhere else because they're the safest people in the hospital today.
So what we're doing is wacky.
And requiring masks?
You know, you go on a plane, it requires a mask.
I mean, and in various counties.
I'm a member of a private club, Mardis Camp, in Lake Tahoe.
And they said, well, we require you to wear a mask.
And I say, well, yeah, but the science doesn't say that.
In fact, the science says it's detrimental.
I can't find a single reference that shows it works.
Mr.
Kirsch, you need to wear a mask.
I said, can I talk to your, the science, your consultant who said that that should be your policy?
No, you can't.
There isn't one.
Talk to the person that we talked to because we actually didn't talk to any person to get science advice.
We're just following, you know, the guidance from above and we never had anyone actually look at the data and No, it's blind obedience to false authority.
But, okay, I'd like to get your take on Jim Cramer calling for military enforcement of mandatory vaccines across America.
I'm not sure he understands what he's asking for, but what's your take on that?
Why would you want to kill the military, Jim?
It's baffling why you would want to kill the military.
What I'm even asking, he's saying use the military to enforce vaccines across the population.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, I thought it was mandating for the military themselves to have the military, yes, like they do in Australia.
Right.
Yes.
For, you know, let's tackle, let's, oh, look, there's an unvaccinated person.
Let's tackle him and, you know, inject him.
You know, I've talked to people who have never been vaccinated before for anything in their lives, and they're the healthiest, some of the healthiest people on planet Earth.
The reason that we have these autisms and autoimmune diseases and so forth, I think can all be traced back to the vaccination program because you're injecting a foreign substance into your body that your body doesn't normally see in the course of its life, in human history.
Vaccines are relatively new and You know, these foreign substances that you introduce into your body were not really very well tested.
And, you know, the big secret, and if you read Robert F. Kennedy's new book, You will find out about this program, which was instituted at the NIH, which looked at the VAERS system, and they were trying to improve the VAERS system, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, because they knew it was underreported.
So they have this system called ESP-VAERS. And it found that VAERS was underreported by a factor of 30, and anywhere between the 95% confidence interval was 9.5% to 95%.
And so they were able to discover that VAERS was significantly underreported in the previous years, more so than they had ever realized.
And what this meant, of course, is that the vaccines that they thought were safe weren't safe at all.
So they fixed the problem.
They canceled the project so that nobody would know.
Of course.
They canceled the project 10 years ago.
So when people say, why is VAERS such a crummy reporting system?
Because we know the numerator, but we don't know the denominator.
Well, the reason for that, folks...
It's because they don't want you to know.
And so they create this mystique around, oh, you can't use VAERS to determine causality.
And you can't, you know, it's only advisory.
And they don't even talk about computing the underreporting factors in VAERS. And, you know, point out the fact that if you see one, if you see eight, like right now, various has like 8,600 or so deaths.
Last time I looked, you know, somewhere around there.
And that's domestic deaths.
So if you look at international, it's 19,000.
And a lot of people go to open VAERS and they think, oh, 19,000 deaths, why are you talking 8,000?
Well, it's 8,000 domestic deaths.
The 19,000 is worldwide off of these vaccines and only that have been reported.
So it's 8,000, you know, 8,500 deaths.
You have to multiply that by a factor of 41.
And then you get the actual number of deaths because very significant events like anaphylaxis are underreported by a factor of 41, and death is actually less reported than anaphylaxis because anaphylaxis is obvious.
So it always gets reported.
It's required by law.
Deaths are supposed to be also reported too, but it's not so obvious that it was associated with the vaccine, so a lot of people don't report it or they're told not to.
And they don't even know whether the person was vaccinated.
They just see this dead body.
They can't ask them, hey, were you vaccinated?
Well, too late, you're dead.
So these deaths are underreported by more than a factor of 41, so you take 41 times 8,500, and And then you have to discount it by 2% because some of these are just background deaths.
And historically, we can basically look at the background deaths reported in VAERS, and it's only around 200 or so deaths.
So you take off 200 out of the 8,600, then you multiply by 41, and you get a big number, over 300,000 Americans.
But look, nobody cares.
There's no stopping condition for this vaccine.
The CDC and the FDA have never set a stopping condition.
I've never heard of this before in medicine.
Mike, have you ever heard of a clinical trial where there's no stopping condition?
Well, the FDA has a history of eventually seeing deaths.
We can look at Vioxx, over 50,000 Americans killed from that cholesterol drug.
Resilin, a diabetes drug that was found to cause liver damage.
The FDA delayed its action, probably to allow Big Pharma to keep selling it for a long time.
But eventually they pulled the drug Resilin after who knows how many tens of thousands of people died.
Going back, thalidomide, of course, the obvious mutations in newborns.
So the FDA has to, even the SARS bird flu virus, I'm sorry, vaccine, which I believe was linked also to encephalopathy in Europe and other places.
So there are, as you say, they have paid attention to these signals in the past, but not this one.
Like, this signal is ignored on purpose.
Yeah, and the reason is, they're a little bit like, I like to think of them as magicians.
You know, a magician is all about diverting your attention to something else.
So while the magician is basically saying, hey, you know, watch my hand here while, of course, the other hand is doing something.
So they're saying, hey, look at all the people we're saving from COVID. Look at all the COVID deaths that we're saving from these vaccines.
Look at how effective it is from dropping the number of COVID deaths.
And they're not saying, oh, yeah, over here, yeah, but we had to kill a lot of people to do that.
So, you know, for kids, we kill 117 kids to save one kid over here.
And that's what the risk-benefit analysis that was done by Dr.
Toby Rogers.
Toby Rogers has a Substack.
You can follow him on Substack.
He's awesome.
He does nothing but risk-benefit analysis for the past five years.
He's got a PhD, and this guy knows what he's talking about.
He called the risk-benefit analysis done by Pfizer one of the shoddiest documents He has ever seen in his life.
So he asked around on Twitter, my favorite platform, he asked, hey, has anybody done a risk-benefit analysis for the kids?
And nobody answered him.
So he decided to go and get out the data books and do a risk-benefit analysis.
And I looked at his methodology, and it was quite sound.
You know, he assumed that the vaccines would save 80% of the kids if it was taken because there's a decline in efficacy and their variants.
And, you know, this is the, you know, we're on Omicron now and Delta and so forth.
And, of course, the vaccines are given for the wild-type virus.
So, you know, he made some very reasonable assumptions.
In all of this, and he took the CDC data, you know, and whatever.
He came up with, we kill 117 kids for every kid that we might save.
And, you know, he had to extrapolate the safety data from the VAERS system because we hadn't inoculated the kids at the time, and he did the analysis before they approved 5 to 11.
Nobody has disputed his analysis.
Well, that's...
You know, it's not Steve Kersh you should go, you know, complain about.
It's not just me.
It's lots of other people are looking at this with a critical eye, and they're critical thinkers, and they look at this and they say...
Yeah, we trust the CDC, but we've got to verify it.
And most people are just saying, hey, just trust the CDC. Don't know any to verify.
Well, but as you say, that's not science, just blind obedience.
But what you are doing, and I want to thank you so much for taking the time today, for laying this out for us.
What you are doing is so critical.
And I believe, by the way, that your critical thought...
And people like Toby Rogers, as you mentioned, and others, Alex Berenson, will ultimately prevail.
I don't think the lies will succeed forever.
This is going to get overturned, and the history that's written about this era is going to be just fascinating.
The most...
I can't even say...
But, yeah, your comments on that?
Yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
You know, there was a speech given by Dr.
Julie Panese, and she said that, look, what is astounding here is, and what this whole pandemic will be remembered for, is not for the virus itself being the problem.
It's our response to how we approached treating and dealing with the pandemic that is truly astonishing.
And yeah, I mean, when you look at it, look at all the people who are complicit in this.
It's all of the three-letter agencies, the FDA, NIH, CDC. It's Congress.
It's the press.
And it's all of medical academia and all the doctors.
They're all complicit in this.
They're all recommending a vaccine which is...
Deadly.
It's 800 times deadlier than the smallpox vaccine, which was deemed by Paul Offit, who's on the FDA committee, as being too dangerous to use in America.
So it's 800 times too dangerous to use in America.
Paul Offit won't debate any of the...
I've worked with a team of over close to 30 scientists and engineers and statisticians.
Paul Offit doesn't want to debate us.
He won't debate us for all the tea in China.
But he's on the panel.
And you get kicked off the panel if you don't vote the way that the government wants you to vote.
That's the thing.
There's accountability here, but it's accountability to the government.
There's no accountability to the people here.
And so, yes, this is an unprecedented point in time in our history where we have never seen a case where there's basically a conspiracy, Congress, the mainstream media,
medical academia, and the HHS agencies all basically telling people, take this, And you should take this, something that is much more likely to kill them.
And in the case of kids, it's 117 kids killed to one save.
That is incomprehensible.
And for parents are just willingly following along because the parents typically don't have the skills to evaluate the data themselves, and so they rely on their doctors, and their doctors rely on other doctors or the AMA and so forth, and the AMA relies on the CDC. You know, the CDC is basically lying to us.
They're lying to us about the rates of mortality, and they're lying to us.
You know, they've said nobody has died from these vaccines, from the mRNA vaccines.
They say, well, Johnson& Johnson, you know, can lead to a condition which then can kill you.
But nobody said anything.
You know, and then to top it all, Governor Gavin Newsom.
Now, I know from two of his doctors that he has Guillain-Barre syndrome.
I'm 100% certain of that one.
And Gavin Newsom won't admit it.
But, you know, that in itself is bad.
But what's really bad is for a guy who's vaccine injured and who knows the vaccines are dangerous to then mandate it for people in California and for school children in California and Even though his kids, his own kids are going not to take it.
His kids won't get vaccinated because his wife won't allow it.
Because his wife knows that vaccines are dangerous.
It's extraordinary.
Steve, I'm sorry we're out of time because I know our audience has many more questions for you.
Hopefully we can talk again.
I want to give out your website, stevekirsch.substack.com.
We'll put it on screen.
Your Gab account is stkirsch, K-I-R-S-C-H. And Steve, I want to thank you, not just for your time today, but for what you're doing for our world.
I think you'll be vindicated in the history books, and it will be shown that you played a pivotal role in turning this over and saving whatever lives we could still save.
So thank you, sir, for everything that you're doing.
Thanks, Mike.
Thanks for the opportunity to speak to your audience today.
Absolutely.
All right, Steve Kirsch, everybody.
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